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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Junny Anderson, very good

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Speaker 1: morning to you all. Right, now a couple of quick ones.

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Speaker 1: Actually do I ask you this without being too disrespond Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. So I'm watching you

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Speaker 1: guys in parliament yesterday. You're paying respects to the Maury King. Fabulous.

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Speaker 1: That's what parliament does. Why then does the whole day

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Speaker 1: have to stop?

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Speaker 2: I just don't out of a mark of respect, like

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Speaker 2: it's a I guess it's a it's sort of customary

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Speaker 2: really when a significant person passes away that you do

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Speaker 2: those do those commmentary speeches, and then and then then

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Speaker 2: we're during the day. So it's usually a mark of respect,

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Speaker 2: is that all?

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Speaker 1: It's like me going to a funeral at ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning and then going wrong. Well, that's me

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Speaker 1: done for the day. Then I'll go home. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you don't respect the person and you

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Speaker 1: haven't laid down your mark, or you can get on

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Speaker 1: with life, can't you.

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Speaker 2: I would have been frying to keep on working, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would have been good with that.

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Speaker 3: There will be rules, right, Mark, Well, we did keep

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Speaker 3: on working. It's just obviously we went in the House

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Speaker 3: and passing legislation week on legislation. But I think the

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Speaker 3: other thing too, Mich, is that this is what has

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Speaker 3: always happened the last the House rose as well, so

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Speaker 3: that just following protocol.

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Speaker 1: Hey, is it true that you supported David Seymour and

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Speaker 1: Cabinet the other day over the treaty principals Bill?

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Speaker 3: Nice?

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Speaker 1: Try Now let me get so you for actually, Ginny Wellington?

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Speaker 1: Are you like Greg O'Connor and he likes to swim

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Speaker 1: and a bit of pool in the harbor? What's that about? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, the hat River is good enough for me. Thanks, No,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go in the harbor. That looks always a

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Speaker 2: bit murky. The oriental bait can be not bad if

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Speaker 2: at summertime. But check the warnings exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's trying to I mean, good on for trying

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Speaker 1: to spreak the place. But do you believe is he

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Speaker 1: a well known swimmer? Is he regularly in the harbor?

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Speaker 3: Is he?

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen him personally. He's good at rugby. He's

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Speaker 2: still us the rugby like Mark does. They both look

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Speaker 2: like they're even going to die into the game, but

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Speaker 2: they Yeah, he's pretty active. He's done. He's done coast

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Speaker 3: I think actually, okay, he can swim when he's a

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Speaker 3: type of police officer. And when he went through college

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Speaker 3: you would have head to the bottom of the pool

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Speaker 3: and retrieved the bricks.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we can all die to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the pool and retree for brick mark. Not that hard.

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Speaker 1: That's that's different between swimming in Wellington harbor. Well Jenny,

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Speaker 1: what's your view of Wellington as a as a as

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Speaker 1: a local MP? Is it in trouble? Forget the politics

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Speaker 1: for a moment. Is it in trouble?

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Speaker 2: When you see businesses like Pinsorrow have been sort of

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Speaker 2: a Wellington legion thirty eight years trading when they close down,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a real sign that things are in trouble.

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Speaker 2: So look, part of it is the cuts of the

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Speaker 2: public service that's definitely hit the you know the I

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Speaker 2: guess what's the word like said of the vibe and

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Speaker 2: Wellington people are down out And on top of that

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Speaker 2: the economic conditions have contributed as well. So coming into

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Speaker 2: this morning that the new cars on the road just

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Speaker 2: as slowing down, a general feeling a bit of dettonation.

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Speaker 1: Is there something for both of you, given you were

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Speaker 1: and you were in Parliament as well, given government Jinny,

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Speaker 1: but you Mark as well. Is there something going wrong

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Speaker 1: with the public service in Wellington that there's too many

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Speaker 3: Well, I think no, I think that. Well, actually when

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Speaker 3: you look at what the owner of the cafes have closed,

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Speaker 3: when he was asked about he said, the big problem

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Speaker 3: that we've really noticed over the last few years is

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Speaker 3: that people are working from home, and of course the

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Speaker 3: cycle ways have been a mess of disruption for us

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Speaker 1: So I just wonder, is what you're saying is what

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Speaker 1: everyone's saying. It's a perfect storm. So by the time

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Speaker 1: and the economy, it's no wonder they are with you.

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Speaker 2: People don't have that extra money in their pockets. So

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Speaker 2: nack Mail's on the Wellington Show is in the hospitality,

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Speaker 2: he'll know really well that it's really tough for people

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Speaker 2: and that directly impacts on the Wellington economy. On top

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Speaker 2: So I think those two things combined have been a

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Speaker 1: Actually, before I forget Ginny, is it true that you

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Speaker 1: ring Nick Mills in the morning as Tanya from her

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Speaker 2: I'd be Sheeryl from the heart.

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Speaker 1: As regards and we ask you too to have a

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Speaker 1: look at it. Mark, what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: TikTok of the Ministry of Education? So there's a picture

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Speaker 1: of a dolphin and a rainbow and some clear water,

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Speaker 1: and it just says go to school.

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Speaker 2: It plays kind of a symphony song on and it

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Speaker 2: plays lovely music.

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Speaker 1: Who's paying for that? What budget would it come out of?

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Speaker 1: And why didn't you guys in looking for savings get

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Speaker 1: them and tell them to stop spending money for no

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Speaker 1: particular purpose? Or do you argue Mark that as well

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Speaker 1: spent money when suddenly kids have turned up to school.

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Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like it's going viral, but you sent

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Speaker 3: it to the wrong person. I couldn't even look at

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Speaker 3: it because I don't even TikTok. But look, I think

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Speaker 3: that the problem was kids weren't going to school in

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Speaker 3: the previous government. We've got to give obviously trying. They're

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Speaker 3: obviously trying a few invent of out of the box.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's obviously going viral. People are watching it.

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Speaker 2: They're watching it.

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Speaker 1: Are you a bit of a boomer Mark saying it's

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Speaker 1: going viral when you haven't even got to He just

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Speaker 1: made its going viral up because everyone says it goes viral.

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Speaker 3: Opened this thing on I just TikTok.

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Speaker 2: So I found a young person and got them to

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Speaker 2: open it because that's the same thing. So I found

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Speaker 2: someone and they explained to me that this is a trend.

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Speaker 2: So it's that picture with any statement with that song

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Speaker 2: right as a trend.

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Speaker 1: Currently that on a you would look at that ginny

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Speaker 1: and did you a young person give you the information

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Speaker 1: that they would then be propelled to go to school.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: We scrolled down and looked at all the kids who

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Speaker 2: are laughing at Christopher Luxe and the commune saying I'm

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Speaker 2: not at school. That was the main thing. It was

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Speaker 3: Of course, the serious side to it is that we

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Speaker 3: got to get our kids bick correct. Yes, they do.

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Speaker 1: I will hardily agree with that, And to be fair,

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Speaker 1: although I was a copywriter for a number of years

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Speaker 1: and in the creative department, coming up with a picture

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Speaker 1: of a dolphin and a rainbow to get them to

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Speaker 1: school wouldn't have been one of my first thoughts. But

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Speaker 1: there you go, now, ird ginny. The business of them

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Speaker 1: passing information on to our information on to social media

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Speaker 1: companies so they can better target they're advertising, Is that

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Speaker 2: Probably not, And there's probably some privacy issues in there.

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Speaker 2: We're dealing with a bill right now Justice Committee around privacy.

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Speaker 2: So the general privacy rulers when you get your information

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Speaker 2: for a purpose, that can only be used for the

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Speaker 2: purpose you gave it for unless you can see it otherwise.

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Speaker 2: So there would be some privacy rule issues around that.

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Speaker 1: So if they if they leapt over something, they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have leapt over mark in that sense, given they've already

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Speaker 3: Though, Look, to be honest with you, I'm not awaker

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Speaker 3: or across that at all. That would be Simon Watts

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Speaker 3: as a minister. But look, I do know the very

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Speaker 3: strict rules around how people's private information is handled, so

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Speaker 3: and if that is an issue that's been raised with him,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's across it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Are you going to do something about

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Speaker 1: it though? If they have breached in someone? Because because

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Speaker 1: the point, the main point being I have to give

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Speaker 1: that information to that company. I don't want to, but

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Speaker 1: I have to, and therefore they should be guarding that,

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Speaker 2: They can only use it. They can only use it

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Speaker 2: for the purpose that you've given it to them for.

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Speaker 2: That's the general rule.

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Speaker 3: And I think that if there's in the breach or

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Speaker 3: they haven't handled information properly, your wit expectations that Simon

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Speaker 3: would have also catched on that.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to call Simon Watt's social media in general.

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Speaker 1: Seeing you're talking about committees and stuff, Jinny Australia across

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Speaker 1: the Tasman of announced legislation. It won't work, but they're

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Speaker 1: going to ban kids under sixteen from accessing social media.

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Speaker 1: Could we look at that in this country? Would there

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Speaker 1: be any interest in looking at that in this country?

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Speaker 1: Is it even remotely possible.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's going to be incredibly difficult to police?

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Speaker 2: And a lot of that is getting in space appearance

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Speaker 2: as well, So parents still have a role to determine

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Speaker 2: what their kids are seeing, and I think the state

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Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to try and enforce.

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Speaker 1: Mark the Windstone story, the jobs lost in the center

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Speaker 1: of the North Island, where does that blame lies? That

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Speaker 1: just an industry that's in trouble? Is that the power

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Speaker 1: business that's bugging in this country? Is it the economy?

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Speaker 3: What is it? It sounds like a combination. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously the electricity price is affected, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: But I just was listening to this show earlier. I

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Speaker 3: think you made absolutely the best point, and that is

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Speaker 3: that the company itself needs to front up and explain

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Speaker 3: eastly what's happened.

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty uncol.

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Speaker 3: You know. I just think that that's the only way

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Speaker 3: that we're going to get absolute clarity on why that's.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's awful for the people that have lost their jobs.

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Speaker 3: You know that the area has been hit hard over

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Speaker 3: recent years. The good news is we're starting to see

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Speaker 3: inflation coming down, come down. We're starting to see interest

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Speaker 3: rates come down, the confidence starting to come back, and

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Speaker 3: the economy will still get up, going to hope.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of which, Jinny Chris Hopkins and this idea

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Speaker 1: that we need some CGT or some wealth text and

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Speaker 1: you guys are going to go to twenty six with something.

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Speaker 1: Do you think New Zealanders hand on heart really want

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Speaker 1: a conversation about being taxed even more?

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Speaker 2: I think New Zealanders do want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: fact we have a problem with our tech system that

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Speaker 2: we've got an aging population and you can't keep cutting

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Speaker 2: stuff with still being able to provide the same level

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Speaker 2: of services. That is a big problem and we need

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Speaker 2: to do something about it. So yep, I think New

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Speaker 2: we want to do as a country.

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