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Speaker 2: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

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Speaker 3: Afternoon and welcome the first edition of Weekend Sport for December.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for jumping on in, Elliot Smith and for Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine this afternoon. Piney back on deck tomorrow night for

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk December the first. On this day, twenty eight

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Speaker 3: years ago, David Campeze retired from Test rugby after fifteen

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Speaker 3: years playing for Australia at one hundred and one Test.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday too to two one Test All Blacks as well,

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Speaker 3: Sam Harding and James broad Her celebrating today plenty a

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Speaker 3: rip into the saft. In cricket Auckland FC Chris Wood

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Speaker 3: scoring again for Nottingham Forest. The international rugby season comes

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Speaker 3: to a close at least fifteen's does sevens underway in

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Speaker 3: Dubai and the All Black Sevens starting their season with

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Speaker 3: a loss to Spain. Liam Lawson's unhappy with Lance Stroll as.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep you across everything you need to know over

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Speaker 3: the next three hours in the world of sport, Plunkett

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Speaker 3: Shield on the go as well three games Halibert and

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Speaker 3: Johnson's Shield and the Women's as well. But a major

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Speaker 3: focus of our show this afternoon is going to be

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Speaker 3: the Test match in christ Church, which is likely to

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Speaker 3: Cats two hundred and nine four eight. That's a lead

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Speaker 3: of fifty eight. Daryn Mitchell clinging on at the crease

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Speaker 3: at the moment nearing fifty. Tim Salviy not out as well.

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Speaker 3: Cass has taken five for forty two for England. Scott Wennick,

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Speaker 3: the boss of New Zealand Cricket, joins the program in

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Speaker 3: a few moments time. Our Andrew Ordison's on watching Hagley

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Speaker 3: Oval for us as well, keeping us across developments as Test,

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Speaker 3: as I said, presumably draws to a close in the

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Speaker 3: coming hours. After one we go north and we go

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Speaker 3: South rugby wise to wrap up the year that was

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Speaker 3: in Test rugby, James mcconi offers his view on the

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Speaker 3: world of sport as well two o'clock and beyond we

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Speaker 3: take you to Manchester the best team in the world

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Speaker 3: last four years anyway, Manchester City winless in their last

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Speaker 3: six what's going wrong? We attempt to get to the

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Speaker 3: bottom of that and we tak Auckland FC's dream start

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Speaker 3: to the season. Plenty to sink our teeth into over

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Speaker 3: the next three hours, right here on Weekend Sport, where

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Speaker 3: it is nine after midday, when.

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Speaker 1: It's down to the line. You made a call on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty Weekend four News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Evy Yes, black Caps two hundred and nine for eight,

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Speaker 3: Weenick joins the program. Scott, good afternoon, Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon, thanks having me.

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Speaker 3: Have you had any preliminary discussions with Gary about future plans.

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Speaker 3: You've been in the job for about a year now, Scott.

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Speaker 5: So that's a real challenge. I think the ICC is

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Speaker 3: Scott when with us the boss of New Zealand cricket.

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Speaker 3: Across the range of issues. I like the concept of

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Speaker 12: the series. We can win the series. Start taking your catches,

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Speaker 12: start thinking about your game and not throwing your wick

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Speaker 12: it away with inner. You know, we we can win it.

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Speaker 12: And I oh my god, I job Smith.

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Speaker 13: Sorry.

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Speaker 12: If it's a choice between Smith and Selvey, If if

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Speaker 12: the spinner cups Sat and that comes back in, they've

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Speaker 12: got to they've got to put charity window. And Smith

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Speaker 12: has got a bit about him as far as I'm

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Speaker 12: comes in, and he's he's surely informed. Has to play

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Speaker 12: head to sound, so mate, we can win. I'm not

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Speaker 12: there cast a net. See we can cut back and

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Speaker 12: win the series two to one. But still it doesn't

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Speaker 12: excuse some of the woeful selections in the work of catching.

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Speaker 3: Nice tear from you as always saying thank you for

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Speaker 3: your call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two

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Speaker 3: nine two for a text message, and there are buckets

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Speaker 3: of test text messages. Excuse me that I'll read once

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Speaker 3: He's Saldy, not a team player, only out for glory

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Speaker 3: for himself. Time he left. That's from Brian another see

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Speaker 3: is this Here's what I would do? Will Young comes in,

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Speaker 3: Conway drops to six and Latham and Will Young share

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Speaker 3: the keeping. Why does one person have to keep? Never thought,

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Speaker 3: I don't don't know that Will Young's done much we

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Speaker 3: can keeping in his career. But why does one person

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Speaker 3: have to keep b Mac change the way of batting.

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Speaker 3: Why do we have to have one keeper that way?

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Speaker 3: Keep both fresh? Well, you got Glenn Phillips, he can keep, Devin,

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Speaker 3: Conway can keep, Tom, Latham can keep.

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Speaker 5: Try.

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Speaker 3: I think there might be another keeper in there that

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Speaker 3: they can They can rotator around four of them through

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Speaker 3: the team that comed is mean, they're probably exhausted and

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Speaker 3: need a break. I'm not sure what that was about,

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Speaker 3: but let's move on. Nine two nine to two, big difference,

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Speaker 3: big selection era. No will Young says another and Lance

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Speaker 3: says the black Hats batting and bowling has been fine.

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Speaker 3: Eight drop catches is appalling. If it wasn't for the dropsies,

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Speaker 3: the Test would have been a much closer deal. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much for your text. There's a couple more

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Speaker 3: there I'll get to. In fact, i'll read this one

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Speaker 3: from Mars before we take a break from the text.

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Speaker 3: Muzz That's what really pisses me off about Saudi. He

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Speaker 3: never respects his wicket. We all know he's going to

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Speaker 3: go out there and play T twenty Mars. Well, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be interesting to see whether he has another

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Speaker 3: Test innings in him. At this point in time. New

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Speaker 3: Zealand two hundred and twenty five for nine. It's the

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Speaker 3: lead of seventy four. Darryl Mitchell is on sixty, Willow

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Speaker 3: Rourke one off sixteen. At the moment, England's searching for

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Speaker 3: that last wicket to wrap up the New Zealand innings.

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Speaker 3: A couple of flashpoints, haven't there been in the Test match.

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Speaker 3: I think back to just after lunch on Day two,

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Speaker 3: England was seventy for four. They get another wicket there,

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Speaker 3: the black Caps put that partnership under a bit of pressure.

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Speaker 3: Then things change drastically in this Test match. Even if

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Speaker 3: you excuse and put aside all the drop catches, they

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Speaker 3: were right in at that point. They get that wicket,

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Speaker 3: they take the catch there, get a wicket five down,

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Speaker 3: another one yesterday afternoon as well, batting along, partnership developing

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Speaker 3: between revenge Drip sorry Williamson and uh and Revenger in

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Speaker 3: the second innings. Then Williamson goes, Blundle goes. In the

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Speaker 3: space of two balls, go from being three down to

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Speaker 3: being five down, Williamson and Mitchell putting on runs together.

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Speaker 3: Blundle goes and there are a bit of trouble. Oh

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine

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Speaker 3: two for a text message, love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: As the black Caps continue to bat on, having a

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Speaker 3: look at the ball, I think at the moment, just

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Speaker 3: to see well shape that ballers in England bring on

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Speaker 3: a spin it as well, to try and get this

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Speaker 3: last New Zealand wicket. One more text before the break,

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Speaker 3: Gary says this, Hi, there should be two changes in

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Speaker 3: the next test, Saudi and Blundle, come on stead make

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Speaker 3: them more of your texts and calls after the break

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Speaker 3: here on news Talk ZEB twenty three away.

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Speaker 1: From one, The big issues on and after field call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty with GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's

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Speaker 1: most trusted home builder, News.

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Speaker 3: Talk zby twenty away from one on news Talk ZB

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Speaker 3: a couple of more texts. On the cricket front, Pall

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Speaker 3: says this Saudi should be second drop with the new ball.

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Speaker 3: We need the pace of Henry and O'Rourke. The biggest

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Speaker 3: problem with New Zealand cricket. We picked play that are

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Speaker 3: well passed their bests. I couldn't quite fathom white. Tim

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Speaker 3: Salley opened the ball and I suppose he's done that

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Speaker 3: through the majority of his Test career, but if you're

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Speaker 3: don't have him in the eleven, it just didn't quite

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Speaker 3: feel like the most fearsome opening partnership with the ball

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Speaker 3: that Mu Zealm might have been able to roll out.

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Speaker 3: Socker Couble, We'll get some O to him. South here

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Speaker 3: just just feels I know he's playing his last series,

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Speaker 3: but time might have moved on a little bit, Jeff

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Speaker 3: with this. What was Revender thinking when he went for

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Speaker 3: the slog. You're batting with one of the world's best

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Speaker 3: in Cain, and plenty of time, and your team needs

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Speaker 3: you to occupy basics and common sense and our openers

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Speaker 3: are too inconsistent and yes catchers, I agree Jeff. That

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Speaker 3: I mean, as I mentioned before the break, that Test

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Speaker 3: was almost in the balance again. Yesterday afternoon, the black

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Speaker 3: Caps had fought their way back into the Test match,

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Speaker 3: closing in on parity. Ravendra gets out for what the

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Speaker 3: third wicket to fall sixty four for three. They put

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Speaker 3: on a few more runs came Williamson. Now at four down,

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Speaker 3: Blundle goes quickly five down. Just once they've managed to

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Speaker 3: get a foothold again in this Test match, they just

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Speaker 3: lost it again. And it's the frustrating thing about this team, Dennis,

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Speaker 3: with this one, high Elliott, the black Caps are a

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Speaker 3: team in potential crisis. The series win over India was

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Speaker 3: an aberration. India lost the series with a series of

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Speaker 3: mysterious decisions, starting with the coin toss in the first Test.

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Speaker 3: Conway needs to go back to domestic cricket. Blundle the

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Speaker 3: same and sorry Southea's in the team purely on a motion.

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Speaker 3: A good player in his time, but not now suffers

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Speaker 3: to say no only above what happened. The selectors are

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Speaker 3: too timid to make changes radical or otherwise. Thanks Dennis,

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Speaker 3: appreciate the text. Another one with this from Teep Saalia's

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Speaker 3: a blinker. He could have applied himself and also got

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Speaker 3: Mitchell to his fifty. His very self arrogant, selfish player.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's been the frustrating thing. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: best thing for Tim Sally's batting would be if he

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Speaker 3: never got that seventy six in his first Test match

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight, because it kind of gave

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Speaker 3: an ear that he knew what he was doing with

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Speaker 3: bat in hand, very very good when it comes to

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Speaker 3: hitting sixes, and now we've come to expect it of it.

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Speaker 3: We thought, yep, there's a player that can hold an

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Speaker 3: end at the bottom of the order. Never quite eventuated

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Speaker 3: in that regard. Can belt a six though. But the

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Speaker 3: frustrating thing is that we believe that he's better than

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Speaker 3: what he's been able to show with that so far

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Speaker 3: in his career, well so far his career is about

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Speaker 3: to come to an end, isn't it a couple more

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Speaker 3: texts I'll get to in a moment. Let's go to

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Speaker 3: Hackleoval though, and the black Caps continuing to bat on

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Speaker 3: Andrew orders in a very good afternoon to you at

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Speaker 3: Hagley Oval, Mitchell and Iraq digging in.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's right, Elliott and doing good job. But at

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Speaker 14: the moment I walk on two from twenty two deliveries

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Speaker 14: Mitchell sixty five from one hundred and forty five. He's

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Speaker 14: even two hundred and thirty one for nine, Chris Folkes

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Speaker 14: in the attack economic three for forty eight from his

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Speaker 14: fifteen point four hours. I guess more importantly, he's he

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Speaker 14: on now with that eighty run lead. So England would

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Speaker 14: require eighty one to win if indeed they get the

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Speaker 14: opportunity over the course of this afternoon. So we'll wait

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Speaker 14: and see on that front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think that you look at the back

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Speaker 3: Caps dore On. Mitchell's stood up with the bat and

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Speaker 3: the second innings, hasn't He hasn't had a lot of

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Speaker 3: support around him in recent times.

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Speaker 14: No, he hasn't. And earlier on today because we saw

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Speaker 14: the Nathan Smith and LBW too, Brydon cast for twenty one,

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Speaker 14: Matt Henry l ww the cast for one as well.

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Speaker 14: Tim's now the adding and couple of six is there

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Speaker 14: getting to twelve on that list where he's moved up

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Speaker 14: to on the table, He's got ninety five sixes across

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Speaker 14: his one hundred and five test career. How eliot he's

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Speaker 14: moved fast. I guess he had already moved past with

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Speaker 14: very the saywag and seven. Just to put some context

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Speaker 14: around that, I think Ben Stokes in first of the

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Speaker 14: hundred and thirty one, Ben Brendan McCallum one hundred and seven,

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Speaker 14: and he's tracking down there with two tests agar in

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Speaker 14: his career, the likes of Adam Gilchrist and Chris Gale

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Speaker 14: and Jaque Hellis.

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Speaker 3: Would it be clinging on too much to say if

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Speaker 3: the black Caps can get a lead of one hundred,

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Speaker 3: at least there's something there. It's a bowl at on

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Speaker 3: this on this deck and try and deny England, perhaps

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Speaker 3: a straightfall victory.

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Speaker 14: Look I'm thinking of I think one hundred and fifty minimum.

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Speaker 14: I think if you really want to boil it down,

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Speaker 14: I mean, it looks pretty good for batting out there

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Speaker 14: at the moment. Smith and I'm thinking that given the

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Speaker 14: power in England order, they'll be attacking that pretty quickly

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Speaker 14: if they do get the opportunity. One little issue that

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Speaker 14: has come up over the course of the day that

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Speaker 14: Ben Stokes suffering some for of injury. We're not quite

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Speaker 14: sure what that is, but midway through his seventh over,

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Speaker 14: so he's a bold six point three and then the

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Speaker 14: oak was taken over later on, I think by Gus Atkinson.

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Speaker 14: So for some reason he's pulled out of the buying.

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Speaker 14: So I'm not sure what that means for his tour.

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Speaker 14: At the stage he's still out there in the field,

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Speaker 14: but I think that yeah, he's hell were able to

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Speaker 14: get to the one hundred and trusty run Leabel, Yeah,

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Speaker 14: that's runs on the board and you'd think, well, there

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Speaker 14: might just be a bit of a sniff.

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Speaker 12: Look.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to say, isn't it. But I suppose as

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Speaker 3: long as they're playing at the grease and adding and

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Speaker 3: chipping away and trying to add these runs, you know,

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Speaker 3: Darryl Mitchell certainly capable of holding down an end. Will

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Speaker 3: Owra perhaps less so. The more strike Daryl Mitchell has

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Speaker 3: the better orders.

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Speaker 14: I think, so hometown boyn out here in christ it's

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Speaker 14: just Darrel Mitchell and I think, yeah, he's had a

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Speaker 14: tremendous job of loosing the town already and he spent

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Speaker 14: it really well on this inning, getting through the sixty

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Speaker 14: six at the present time and just worked another single

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Speaker 14: into the leg side as we looking for two but

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Speaker 14: unable to get it. So then'll e thinct that takes

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Speaker 14: him to sixty six now two thirty two for nine.

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Speaker 14: But he's got a really responsible job at Mitchell and

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Speaker 14: he's work the ball around according and played a few

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Speaker 14: shots now with O'Rourke the last man at the crease,

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Speaker 14: but Oroke hanging in there as we speak.

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Speaker 3: He has indeed. Andrew Ordison, appreciate your time as always

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Speaker 3: from Hagley Oval. We'll catch up again soon.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, we'll have a bit more of a context I

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Speaker 14: think around it. If something's continues now then you may

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Speaker 14: yet maybe they can put some pressure who knows, but

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Speaker 14: certainly England dominating at the stace.

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Speaker 15: Really.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Andrew Ortison, Cricket correspondent at Hagley

646
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Speaker 3: Oval in christ Church. As you heard there black Caps

647
00:35:47,627 --> 00:35:51,147
Speaker 3: continuing to bat on muzz with this. Wouldn't it be

648
00:35:51,147 --> 00:35:53,427
Speaker 3: amazing if A Rourke said to Mitchell, mate' stick around.

649
00:35:53,467 --> 00:35:56,427
Speaker 3: That's helped me get to one hundred. And that's what

650
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Speaker 3: Sally should have done being a senior player. Remember he

651
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Speaker 3: did that to Taylor in Australia. I think denying Taylor

652
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Speaker 3: three hundred. Never forgotten that. Thank you very much, Muzzy.

653
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Speaker 3: A bit of application, don't you. I suppose at this

654
00:36:08,187 --> 00:36:11,667
Speaker 3: point of the innings you can probably guess the Test

655
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:15,147
Speaker 3: match is gone barring some big partnership here pushing New

656
00:36:15,227 --> 00:36:18,267
Speaker 3: Zealand to one point fifty two hundred, and then maybe

657
00:36:18,267 --> 00:36:21,827
Speaker 3: they've got something to bowl at, he says, clinging at straws,

658
00:36:22,427 --> 00:36:26,907
Speaker 3: clutching at straws. But you just want some application, something

659
00:36:26,907 --> 00:36:31,107
Speaker 3: to take to the basin reserve for the second Test match.

660
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:34,707
Speaker 3: Something you go, yep, we held up to this England attack.

661
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Speaker 3: At least the lower order was able to do. Hasn't

662
00:36:42,427 --> 00:36:44,067
Speaker 3: always been the case in this Test match though. The

663
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Speaker 3: application from the black Caps, as we have discussed this

664
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Speaker 3: hour on the program, oh eight hundred and eighty ten

665
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Speaker 3: eighty nine two nine two for a text message, is

666
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Speaker 3: this an aberration or was the Indian series an aberration?

667
00:37:02,827 --> 00:37:06,507
Speaker 3: From the black Caps perspective, because it feels like one

668
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Speaker 3: or the other. To be honest with you, I know

669
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Speaker 3: you can lose Test matches, you can have one of

670
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Speaker 3: poor performances. But what we've seen from the black Caps

671
00:37:15,307 --> 00:37:17,187
Speaker 3: in this Test match has been symptomatic of some of

672
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Speaker 3: their recent performances, especially you know, she Lanka was poor

673
00:37:22,627 --> 00:37:28,947
Speaker 3: last summer, some poor results as well, poor performances. India

674
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Speaker 3: increasingly feeling like one out of the box. We just

675
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Speaker 3: don't really explanation for as great as it was, as

676
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Speaker 3: enjoyable as that three mil series was, I just don't

677
00:37:46,587 --> 00:37:48,627
Speaker 3: think we've got an explanation as to how on earth

678
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Speaker 3: that happened. Ten away from one weekend Sport News Talks.

679
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Speaker 1: V analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

680
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Speaker 1: Weekend Sports Call.

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Speaker 3: News Talks closing in on lunch at Hagleyoval and and

682
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Speaker 3: again the black Caps, Daryl Mitchell and willow' rourke putting

683
00:38:10,267 --> 00:38:14,707
Speaker 3: a high price on their wicket. This last wicket stand

684
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Speaker 3: continuing to grow from a black CAP's perspective. Eighty two

685
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Speaker 3: now the lead for New Zealand two hundred and thirty

686
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Speaker 3: three for nine. Mitchell is not out sixty seven. Willow rourke,

687
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Speaker 3: who is a genuine tail ender, is not out two

688
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Speaker 3: of twenty eight delivery, so the black Caps showing but

689
00:38:32,867 --> 00:38:36,147
Speaker 3: a start bit of sustenance right at the tale of

690
00:38:37,667 --> 00:38:45,147
Speaker 3: listenings partnership now is twenty four runs for the last wicket,

691
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Speaker 3: So just frustrating the England bowlers a little bit and

692
00:38:49,347 --> 00:38:52,467
Speaker 3: look cling to whatever you can at this point in time.

693
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Speaker 3: But if they can take it to lunch without losing

694
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Speaker 3: this last wicket, that's something again in this Test match.

695
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Speaker 3: A couple more texts from Tim Sow. He is selfish

696
00:39:04,107 --> 00:39:06,147
Speaker 3: and arrogant. He could have occupied Ben Stokes play a

697
00:39:06,187 --> 00:39:09,387
Speaker 3: cat and it's not. We will get whitewashed in the series.

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Speaker 3: India is an outlier. This team has issues. Mike Elliott.

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Speaker 3: We're a tiny country with stuff or cricket as I

700
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Speaker 3: am as happy as a sandboy on the India win

701
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Speaker 3: and we'll long remember it. We can't and won't win everything. Yep,

702
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Speaker 3: the fielding is very disappointing, but it's a bit much

703
00:39:26,027 --> 00:39:30,947
Speaker 3: to say the world has ended. Mike. Appreciate the text message.

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Speaker 3: I guess the frustration is that India performance was so

705
00:39:34,467 --> 00:39:38,147
Speaker 3: good that there was an expectation they would come home

706
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Speaker 3: and back it up with a good performance. Against in

707
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Speaker 3: England side that is missing some key players, that is

708
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Speaker 3: relatively inexperience when it comes to Test cricket. They've just

709
00:39:52,347 --> 00:39:55,787
Speaker 3: come off a loss and Pakistan of course as well.

710
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Speaker 3: So I guess that's the frustration, isn't it The performance

711
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Speaker 3: on the back of what we saw in India when

712
00:40:03,627 --> 00:40:06,507
Speaker 3: they come home and play like they have just to

713
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Speaker 3: a little bit disappointing. Can't excheck him to win every time,

714
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Speaker 3: but just the performance of the application this Test matches

715
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Speaker 3: has been frustrating for me. Come up next out on

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Speaker 3: news Talks there beat Weekend Sport. We'll take you north,

717
00:40:22,707 --> 00:40:25,187
Speaker 3: We'll take you south, We'll take you to England, will

718
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Speaker 3: take you to Australia. Going to be joined by the

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Speaker 3: BBC Rugby commentator James Burridge and from Australia, the Raw

720
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Speaker 3: Rugby editor Christy Dorrant. As we reflect on the Test

721
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Speaker 3: match calendar that has been wrapped up this morning with

722
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Speaker 3: Ireland beating Australia twenty two to nine team at the

723
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Speaker 3: Aviva Stadium in Dublin. Where is the power base of rugby?

724
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Speaker 3: Twelve months on from the Rugby World Cup, which teams

725
00:40:52,307 --> 00:40:56,027
Speaker 3: have drastically improved, Who's stagnated and I want to get

726
00:40:56,067 --> 00:40:59,387
Speaker 3: their views as well from the outside perspective on how

727
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Speaker 3: they've seen the All Blacks first year under Scott Robertson.

728
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Speaker 3: James Burridge, Christy Dorant to join ours after one as well.

729
00:41:07,347 --> 00:41:09,787
Speaker 3: James McCone will give us his take on the week

730
00:41:09,827 --> 00:41:14,067
Speaker 3: that's been in sport and we'll keep you right across

731
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Speaker 3: Test match developments from Hagley Oval in christ Church. What

732
00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,907
Speaker 3: four minutes out from lunch are probably an over and

733
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Speaker 3: a bit to go before the players take the lunch

734
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Speaker 3: break and the black Caps two hundred and forty for nine.

735
00:41:26,347 --> 00:41:29,467
Speaker 3: Darrel Mitchell just knock him back a six moments ago.

736
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Speaker 3: The lead now at eighty nine. Come back after News

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00:41:32,827 --> 00:41:35,827
Speaker 3: Sports and we're with Sandy and Dan after this on

738
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Speaker 3: News Talk SIB.

739
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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

740
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:45,547
Speaker 1: and after field. It's all on wijon Sport on your

741
00:41:45,587 --> 00:41:47,787
Speaker 1: homely sport News Talk SENB.

742
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Speaker 3: What we're going seven after one? Play continuing at Hagley

743
00:41:54,827 --> 00:41:58,707
Speaker 3: Oval in christ Church. The extra half hour has been

744
00:41:58,747 --> 00:42:02,187
Speaker 3: taken and the Black Cabs are batting on two fifty

745
00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:06,027
Speaker 3: two for nine. This is getting very frustrating for England.

746
00:42:06,067 --> 00:42:08,107
Speaker 3: You can try to see it on their faces as well.

747
00:42:08,507 --> 00:42:11,787
Speaker 3: That leads just ticked over one hundred black aps are

748
00:42:11,787 --> 00:42:15,387
Speaker 3: going to win this mark my words, No, don't mark

749
00:42:15,427 --> 00:42:20,147
Speaker 3: my words, but if they do, you heard it here.

750
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Speaker 3: First seven after one weekend Smart News talks at beat

751
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Speaker 3: or keep close eyes on developments at Hackley Oval for

752
00:42:28,307 --> 00:42:31,387
Speaker 3: you as they take this extra half hour. I presume

753
00:42:31,427 --> 00:42:33,787
Speaker 3: if there is a wicked let's hope there isn't. They'll

754
00:42:33,827 --> 00:42:35,987
Speaker 3: go to lunch after that and then England will begin

755
00:42:36,027 --> 00:42:39,307
Speaker 3: their run chase after that. But long live Darryl Mitchell

756
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Speaker 3: and eighty three and Willow Rourke on five. Coming up

757
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Speaker 3: this hour on the program, we've curated a rugby panel

758
00:42:46,747 --> 00:42:50,867
Speaker 3: for you from the North and South. James Burrage from

759
00:42:50,907 --> 00:42:54,267
Speaker 3: BBC's Rugby Coverage is going to join us to give

760
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Speaker 3: a Northern Hemisphere take on things and representing the Southern

761
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Speaker 3: Hemisphere Kresty Dorian from Australia's The Raw website as we

762
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Speaker 3: wrap up the Test match season that has been James

763
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Speaker 3: and Christian to join the program in a moment or two.

764
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Speaker 3: James mcconey gives his take on the week of sport

765
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Speaker 3: that has been this hour as well. Always look forward

766
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Speaker 3: to catching up with James after two o'clock. Jacob Spoonley

767
00:43:23,507 --> 00:43:27,467
Speaker 3: on Auckland FC. Another win from them yesterday Banks. We

768
00:43:27,627 --> 00:43:31,227
Speaker 3: continued the football seat theme as well. We've got to

769
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Speaker 3: Mike Manabe, football commentator and reporter for the BBC Manchester

770
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Speaker 3: City name up in lights. One of the biggest clubs

771
00:43:39,707 --> 00:43:42,467
Speaker 3: in the world haven't won in the last six What

772
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Speaker 3: is going wrong at the Eddy Hat. Mike Manaye joins

773
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Speaker 3: the program next hour to look on that. We'll continue

774
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Speaker 3: the cricket updates as well. Right here on News Talk

775
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Speaker 3: zeb Beat. It's nine after one. The test match season

776
00:43:58,107 --> 00:44:00,867
Speaker 3: of rugbat for season twenty twenty four came to a

777
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Speaker 3: conclusion this morning at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin, fighting.

778
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Speaker 11: For a shot.

779
00:44:07,987 --> 00:44:17,627
Speaker 16: At a potential draw, maybe a win. That's the halfway line, Frost. Oh,

780
00:44:17,627 --> 00:44:24,867
Speaker 16: it's been lost. It's been lost, and with it goes

781
00:44:24,947 --> 00:44:29,147
Speaker 16: the game. Australia brave to very last moment.

782
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Speaker 3: They go down, but they show a ton of heart.

783
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Speaker 3: They did show a ton of heart. In fact, I

784
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Speaker 3: thought they were probably buy an edge the better team

785
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Speaker 3: in that game this morning twenty two nineteen. Ireland win

786
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Speaker 3: it though in Australia though you have to say that

787
00:44:43,867 --> 00:44:47,467
Speaker 3: they are building. I know they lost to Scotland rather

788
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Speaker 3: comfortably last week, but you look at that tour and

789
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Speaker 3: go twelve months ago after that World Cup shocker, they

790
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Speaker 3: would have taken it. Someone that's very close to Australian

791
00:44:55,827 --> 00:45:01,387
Speaker 3: rugby Christy Dorian rugby editor for The Roar, James Burrage,

792
00:45:01,427 --> 00:45:06,667
Speaker 3: BBC rugby commentator and reporter, join us now on news

793
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Speaker 3: Talk ZIB. Gentlemen, thanks so much for your time. Very

794
00:45:09,347 --> 00:45:12,787
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you. Hey guys, yeah, good, Hey, let's

795
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Speaker 3: start with the the game this morning, twenty two to nineteen,

796
00:45:15,427 --> 00:45:19,347
Speaker 3: Ireland over the Wallabes. James, I know you're covering this one.

797
00:45:19,627 --> 00:45:23,267
Speaker 3: What was your reaction to that game at the Avivah.

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Speaker 9: I was mighty close towards the end.

799
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Speaker 17: I was really impressed with Australia's defense today. I felt

800
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Speaker 17: that that had been their achilles heel probably for much

801
00:45:32,787 --> 00:45:36,427
Speaker 17: of twenty twenty four. But whatever Schmid's been doing with them,

802
00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:40,067
Speaker 17: working on defense, it's really really working, and they just

803
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Speaker 17: look so free in the first half, They look so creative,

804
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Speaker 17: and they really What he has done to Australia in

805
00:45:46,947 --> 00:45:50,667
Speaker 17: twelve months is extraordinary and it just makes the Lion

806
00:45:50,827 --> 00:45:54,227
Speaker 17: series an eight months time. Just it's come alive that

807
00:45:54,347 --> 00:45:57,347
Speaker 17: series now, you know, months ago we were worried. Everyone

808
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Speaker 17: was worried about that series.

809
00:45:58,747 --> 00:46:00,427
Speaker 9: Not anymore, Christy.

810
00:46:00,507 --> 00:46:03,027
Speaker 3: Your reaction from an Australian perspective glass half full.

811
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Speaker 11: Oh definitely.

812
00:46:05,187 --> 00:46:08,307
Speaker 4: You think of it where the wall were twelve thirteen

813
00:46:08,347 --> 00:46:12,547
Speaker 4: months ago. Eddie Jones walks out on Australian rugby. The

814
00:46:12,587 --> 00:46:18,427
Speaker 4: Wallaby is the absolute canvas rock bottom and I completely agree.

815
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Speaker 4: Joe Schmidt has totally just brought back some confidence and

816
00:46:23,347 --> 00:46:26,027
Speaker 4: I think actually returned the Wallabies to their roots. The

817
00:46:26,107 --> 00:46:29,267
Speaker 4: desire for the Wallabies to run the ball is there,

818
00:46:29,387 --> 00:46:32,747
Speaker 4: but I do agree, I think the defensive effort was there.

819
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Speaker 4: This morning, Ireland had seventy four percent of territory, fifty

820
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Speaker 4: nine percent of possession and it took him to a

821
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Speaker 4: seventy second minute to really flex their muscle.

822
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Speaker 11: And gain an incendency in the game.

823
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Speaker 4: So Joe Schmidt, whatever you can do to keep him

824
00:46:48,867 --> 00:46:50,227
Speaker 4: Rugby Australia.

825
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Speaker 11: And I had an extra five hundred.

826
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Speaker 4: K to keep him because he has absolutely changed the

827
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Speaker 4: game in a space of twelve months. And now the

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Speaker 4: Lions is going to be the show piece of end

829
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Speaker 4: of rugby in twenty twenty five.

830
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Speaker 3: Christy, you're well connicted as Joe Shmith actually going to stay.

831
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Speaker 11: My thoughts are it's less likely than more.

832
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Speaker 4: I was told six seven weeks ago that he and

833
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Speaker 4: Mike Kron am more likely to finish up after the Lions.

834
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Speaker 4: That was a pretty good source. Look, I think it'll

835
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Speaker 4: be difficult for him to stay. You know, we know

836
00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:28,067
Speaker 4: about his family situation with his kid having epilepses, so

837
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Speaker 4: I don't think this will come down to a jugment

838
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Speaker 4: wanting to walk out on the Wallabies.

839
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Speaker 11: It's really going to be a family call. Can he change?

840
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Speaker 11: Can possibly?

841
00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,867
Speaker 4: Can things be done to allow for a Joe Schmitt

842
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Speaker 4: to stay in Australia as much as possible?

843
00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:44,667
Speaker 11: Possibly, But we also know that Joe Schmitt's a guy.

844
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Speaker 4: That loves to be integrated into the Super rugby sides,

845
00:47:48,467 --> 00:47:51,067
Speaker 4: work with the provinces, and I don't know if he'll

846
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Speaker 4: be able to do everything and that's a concern for

847
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Speaker 4: the Wallabies.

848
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Speaker 3: James the Northern Hemisphere side is probably a mixed bag

849
00:47:58,427 --> 00:48:01,827
Speaker 3: to end the campaign. Obviously, we know the trouble that

850
00:48:01,867 --> 00:48:06,067
Speaker 3: Wales have been through England very much a disappointing bag

851
00:48:06,107 --> 00:48:08,347
Speaker 3: for them. What have you made of the Northern Hemisphere

852
00:48:08,467 --> 00:48:09,627
Speaker 3: unions in the autumn series?

853
00:48:11,067 --> 00:48:14,787
Speaker 9: It's it's been a pretty chastening time. Let's be honest.

854
00:48:14,827 --> 00:48:17,987
Speaker 17: I think if you're an England rugby fan you're pretty

855
00:48:17,987 --> 00:48:21,467
Speaker 17: despondent about life for a variety of reasons, whether it's

856
00:48:21,587 --> 00:48:24,667
Speaker 17: the coaches off the pitch, the style that England want

857
00:48:24,667 --> 00:48:27,267
Speaker 17: to try and play, the lack of identity. The defense

858
00:48:27,987 --> 00:48:32,267
Speaker 17: has really suffered. If you're Wales, I mean it's even worse.

859
00:48:33,387 --> 00:48:36,667
Speaker 17: You know, they have got so many problems. Warren Gatland

860
00:48:36,907 --> 00:48:38,587
Speaker 17: doesn't really know where he wants to stay or go,

861
00:48:38,627 --> 00:48:41,987
Speaker 17: whether that will be his choice. Nobody knows. The state

862
00:48:42,067 --> 00:48:45,027
Speaker 17: of the game in Wales is in crisis. Scotland, I

863
00:48:45,027 --> 00:48:47,587
Speaker 17: think are the other bright things. So to France, I

864
00:48:47,667 --> 00:48:51,187
Speaker 17: think Scotland and France have certainly kicked on. I think

865
00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,027
Speaker 17: France have looked good in patches.

866
00:48:54,067 --> 00:48:56,067
Speaker 9: They were looking looking a little shaky. There was a

867
00:48:56,107 --> 00:48:58,187
Speaker 9: bit of a World Cup hangover during the Six Nations.

868
00:48:58,187 --> 00:48:59,427
Speaker 9: I don't think that's there anymore.

869
00:48:59,867 --> 00:49:03,507
Speaker 17: And equally Scotland, I think Gregor Townsend has just he

870
00:49:03,587 --> 00:49:06,827
Speaker 17: has got the nucleus of a really good team Scotland

871
00:49:06,987 --> 00:49:09,187
Speaker 17: that their perennial problem has been that when it comes

872
00:49:09,227 --> 00:49:11,267
Speaker 17: to six nations they can't back it up. So they

873
00:49:11,267 --> 00:49:13,227
Speaker 17: can play one or two good games, but they can't

874
00:49:13,307 --> 00:49:14,187
Speaker 17: last a series.

875
00:49:14,667 --> 00:49:16,107
Speaker 9: But that team has now.

876
00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:21,227
Speaker 17: Got a really strong twenty five unit squad and their

877
00:49:21,267 --> 00:49:24,627
Speaker 17: biggest challenge in twenty twenty five is to be consistent

878
00:49:24,867 --> 00:49:27,587
Speaker 17: over a period of five matches, because that's something they've

879
00:49:27,747 --> 00:49:30,267
Speaker 17: never been able to do. And if they can crack that,

880
00:49:30,827 --> 00:49:33,907
Speaker 17: you know, the number of Scottish players in that Lion

881
00:49:33,987 --> 00:49:35,307
Speaker 17: squad would be fascinating.

882
00:49:36,027 --> 00:49:38,387
Speaker 3: James, what's your scene to Is Warren Gatland going to

883
00:49:38,427 --> 00:49:41,547
Speaker 3: remain in front of the Welsh team for too much longer?

884
00:49:42,667 --> 00:49:44,307
Speaker 9: Who knows? Who knows?

885
00:49:44,107 --> 00:49:47,587
Speaker 17: It's so, you know, one press conference you think he's going.

886
00:49:47,667 --> 00:49:49,987
Speaker 9: The next press conference he looks like he wants to stay.

887
00:49:50,427 --> 00:49:53,907
Speaker 17: But I think it's you know, I mean, Warren Gatland

888
00:49:53,987 --> 00:49:56,787
Speaker 17: is not the only problem in Welsh rugby right now.

889
00:49:57,027 --> 00:49:59,747
Speaker 17: You know, they've had a horrendous financial crisis in terms

890
00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:01,867
Speaker 17: of you know, the financial cuts they've had to implement

891
00:50:01,907 --> 00:50:05,707
Speaker 17: on the squads. There's arguably too many sides now, even

892
00:50:05,747 --> 00:50:07,667
Speaker 17: the likes of Sound Warburton saying it's got to go

893
00:50:07,747 --> 00:50:11,667
Speaker 17: from four four teams down to three. The Welsh team itself,

894
00:50:11,707 --> 00:50:15,667
Speaker 17: the national side is very callow and Gatland, you know,

895
00:50:15,667 --> 00:50:17,827
Speaker 17: there are sometimes you watch him in the press conferences

896
00:50:17,827 --> 00:50:19,787
Speaker 17: he looks like the weight of the world is on

897
00:50:19,827 --> 00:50:22,787
Speaker 17: his shoulders and he's run out of ideas. And I

898
00:50:22,827 --> 00:50:26,347
Speaker 17: suppose the big question is when if you're going to

899
00:50:26,387 --> 00:50:28,467
Speaker 17: get rid of Warren Gatland, there's going to be a

900
00:50:28,467 --> 00:50:28,947
Speaker 17: cost to it.

901
00:50:29,347 --> 00:50:31,827
Speaker 9: You know, he was signed on big, big money.

902
00:50:32,747 --> 00:50:35,587
Speaker 17: And that's the big problem that WRU are having to

903
00:50:35,627 --> 00:50:37,627
Speaker 17: work out, one of many big problems they are having

904
00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:39,987
Speaker 17: to work out if he is he the man?

905
00:50:40,107 --> 00:50:41,147
Speaker 9: Do they think he's the man?

906
00:50:41,187 --> 00:50:44,427
Speaker 17: But equally what crisis do they have to sold first?

907
00:50:44,467 --> 00:50:47,227
Speaker 17: I mean it's almost where do you start because it's

908
00:50:47,427 --> 00:50:50,347
Speaker 17: this horrendous vicious circle in Welsh rugby because if they

909
00:50:50,347 --> 00:50:53,307
Speaker 17: don't sell out the you know card, if they don't

910
00:50:53,307 --> 00:50:55,907
Speaker 17: sell out the principality, then they don't get the money.

911
00:50:56,587 --> 00:50:58,267
Speaker 17: But equally, no one's going to go and watch it

912
00:50:58,307 --> 00:51:00,667
Speaker 17: if they're going to get drubbed by fifty points every time.

913
00:51:01,067 --> 00:51:02,947
Speaker 4: Lad if I can just champion here, I think it's

914
00:51:02,947 --> 00:51:05,147
Speaker 4: really interesting what James is talking about and there's so

915
00:51:05,267 --> 00:51:09,947
Speaker 4: many similarities with train with Welsh rugby of recent years

916
00:51:09,987 --> 00:51:10,987
Speaker 4: around the provinces.

917
00:51:11,067 --> 00:51:13,147
Speaker 11: How many years? And what about the team? What about

918
00:51:13,147 --> 00:51:13,627
Speaker 11: the coaches?

919
00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:16,227
Speaker 4: Well, you know Australian rugby has had three coaches in

920
00:51:16,387 --> 00:51:19,947
Speaker 4: three years. You know they've had four coaches in five years.

921
00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:24,067
Speaker 4: Changing the coach doesn't always necessarily change the landscape. So

922
00:51:24,387 --> 00:51:27,547
Speaker 4: it's a really fascinating dilemma that that Whales have got

923
00:51:27,587 --> 00:51:31,147
Speaker 4: themselves into it at the moment. But spending money unnecessarily

924
00:51:31,227 --> 00:51:33,747
Speaker 4: on paying out coaches isn't always the best idea.

925
00:51:34,107 --> 00:51:37,827
Speaker 3: Christ You'll stick with you. South Africa sweek the North,

926
00:51:37,947 --> 00:51:40,187
Speaker 3: the All Blacks win two Big Tests out of three.

927
00:51:40,467 --> 00:51:43,307
Speaker 3: Australias on the up Brett Robinson's the World Rugby cheer,

928
00:51:43,387 --> 00:51:45,107
Speaker 3: that wasn't a bad month or so for the Southern

929
00:51:45,147 --> 00:51:45,947
Speaker 3: Hemisphere teams.

930
00:51:46,707 --> 00:51:49,027
Speaker 11: Well is it a surprise? It's just it's the same

931
00:51:49,067 --> 00:51:49,907
Speaker 11: old story, isn't it.

932
00:51:50,267 --> 00:51:53,747
Speaker 4: Every year we hear the six nation sides arising they're

933
00:51:53,747 --> 00:51:56,707
Speaker 4: going to be a giant and force, particularly come the

934
00:51:56,707 --> 00:52:00,107
Speaker 4: World Cup. So every world cut bar one in two

935
00:52:00,107 --> 00:52:03,347
Speaker 4: thousand and three suggests that the Southern Hemisphere reigns supreme

936
00:52:03,427 --> 00:52:06,787
Speaker 4: and I think we just saw how strong the Rugby

937
00:52:06,827 --> 00:52:10,027
Speaker 4: Championship is. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the history and it

938
00:52:10,067 --> 00:52:13,027
Speaker 4: doesn't have the prestige that the Six Nations carries with it,

939
00:52:13,307 --> 00:52:18,147
Speaker 4: the absolute tribalism, the amazing atmospheres. But what it does

940
00:52:18,227 --> 00:52:21,107
Speaker 4: have and what it produces is damn good players with

941
00:52:21,867 --> 00:52:24,627
Speaker 4: a great belief and a desire and know how to

942
00:52:24,667 --> 00:52:28,027
Speaker 4: win games. So yeah, I think what we're seeing is

943
00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:31,267
Speaker 4: just how good the All Blacks are. You know, There's

944
00:52:31,307 --> 00:52:34,307
Speaker 4: been a lot that's been said around South Africa's departure

945
00:52:34,347 --> 00:52:37,747
Speaker 4: from Super Rugby and that is definitely hurt probably the

946
00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:40,747
Speaker 4: overall product, but it still is a great force and

947
00:52:41,067 --> 00:52:44,907
Speaker 4: the Rugby Championship is just such a strong, strong competition

948
00:52:45,267 --> 00:52:48,267
Speaker 4: and tournament and it's interesting that going forward it looks

949
00:52:48,307 --> 00:52:50,267
Speaker 4: like it's only going to be played every second year.

950
00:52:50,427 --> 00:52:54,067
Speaker 4: So I just wonder what the long term ramifications are

951
00:52:54,507 --> 00:52:57,947
Speaker 4: for watering down the Rugby Championship will.

952
00:52:57,747 --> 00:53:02,507
Speaker 3: Be James Barrage BBC rugby commentator speaking from up North

953
00:53:02,707 --> 00:53:06,147
Speaker 3: and Christy Dorian, rugby editor for the RALE, giving a

954
00:53:06,387 --> 00:53:10,147
Speaker 3: Southern hemusphere Australian perspective with us on Weekly in Sports, Gentlemen,

955
00:53:10,307 --> 00:53:13,307
Speaker 3: I want to get your perspective on a New Zealand issue.

956
00:53:13,307 --> 00:53:16,467
Speaker 3: The first year of All Black's head coach Scott Robinson.

957
00:53:16,507 --> 00:53:20,907
Speaker 3: Fourteen games down, teen wins for defeats is outsiders. What

958
00:53:20,987 --> 00:53:23,227
Speaker 3: have you made of that first season, James, I'll start

959
00:53:23,267 --> 00:53:23,507
Speaker 3: with you.

960
00:53:24,627 --> 00:53:26,987
Speaker 9: I think he's done well. I think New Zealand I've

961
00:53:27,067 --> 00:53:27,467
Speaker 9: done well.

962
00:53:27,507 --> 00:53:30,627
Speaker 17: I think they've definitely unleashed a few more stars which

963
00:53:30,667 --> 00:53:33,387
Speaker 17: we've got to see for the first time. You're missing

964
00:53:33,387 --> 00:53:35,507
Speaker 17: your first choice ten, but even you still have the

965
00:53:35,627 --> 00:53:37,747
Speaker 17: likes of Damien McKenzie coming straight off the bench and

966
00:53:37,827 --> 00:53:38,707
Speaker 17: nailing every kick.

967
00:53:39,027 --> 00:53:40,827
Speaker 9: And that's like a knife through the heart for a.

968
00:53:40,747 --> 00:53:42,627
Speaker 11: Lot of our.

969
00:53:41,907 --> 00:53:45,107
Speaker 17: Teams because they don't have those big match players who

970
00:53:45,107 --> 00:53:45,787
Speaker 17: can come on and kick.

971
00:53:45,827 --> 00:53:46,947
Speaker 9: And I think it's just underline.

972
00:53:46,987 --> 00:53:49,107
Speaker 17: This autumn series is underline when the games have been

973
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:53,507
Speaker 17: so tight, you cannot have a goalkicker who misses kicks.

974
00:53:53,547 --> 00:53:55,747
Speaker 17: You've got to be able to nail them under pressure

975
00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:59,267
Speaker 17: when it really matters. But in many ways, if you're

976
00:53:59,307 --> 00:54:02,107
Speaker 17: a purist, one of the most beautiful things in the

977
00:54:02,147 --> 00:54:04,987
Speaker 17: world is seeing in New Zealand back line absolutely tear

978
00:54:05,067 --> 00:54:09,267
Speaker 17: it up. Your back five are just outrageous. The skill

979
00:54:09,307 --> 00:54:12,827
Speaker 17: set is just something to behold. So if you're a

980
00:54:12,827 --> 00:54:16,187
Speaker 17: purist watching the automation series as we have done, some

981
00:54:16,227 --> 00:54:18,067
Speaker 17: of the stuff he's going to shaped together has been

982
00:54:18,147 --> 00:54:20,307
Speaker 17: really impressive. Ireland were well off it in that first

983
00:54:20,347 --> 00:54:22,107
Speaker 17: Test match and I didn't see that one coming. I

984
00:54:22,107 --> 00:54:25,267
Speaker 17: thought Ireland would beat them. They were lucky, you could

985
00:54:25,307 --> 00:54:27,867
Speaker 17: say against englm what width of the post? But I

986
00:54:27,947 --> 00:54:30,107
Speaker 17: feel under Robertson that there's still more to come.

987
00:54:30,147 --> 00:54:30,787
Speaker 9: I don't get the.

988
00:54:30,747 --> 00:54:33,147
Speaker 17: Feeling that they've even got out a third gear under

989
00:54:33,187 --> 00:54:35,827
Speaker 17: Robertson yet, and I'm fascinated.

990
00:54:35,307 --> 00:54:37,187
Speaker 9: To see where he takes the team next year.

991
00:54:37,427 --> 00:54:39,187
Speaker 3: Christy, what have you made of that first campaign?

992
00:54:40,267 --> 00:54:42,267
Speaker 4: Oh, that's the scary thing is that the All Blacks

993
00:54:42,267 --> 00:54:44,107
Speaker 4: were nowhere near as good as what they could be.

994
00:54:44,387 --> 00:54:44,947
Speaker 11: You know, they.

995
00:54:45,507 --> 00:54:48,987
Speaker 4: Managed to for just short on so many different games

996
00:54:49,027 --> 00:54:51,347
Speaker 4: against the spring Box in the middle of the year,

997
00:54:51,427 --> 00:54:54,467
Speaker 4: but that is the hardest place in the world. To

998
00:54:54,507 --> 00:54:57,867
Speaker 4: go to South Africa, to beat them on their own soil,

999
00:54:57,907 --> 00:55:00,107
Speaker 4: and to have to front up two Tests in a row.

1000
00:55:00,467 --> 00:55:04,067
Speaker 4: I thought it was an outstanding if at all surprised. Yes,

1001
00:55:04,147 --> 00:55:06,587
Speaker 4: they were pretty patchy to begin with, but I think

1002
00:55:06,747 --> 00:55:09,587
Speaker 4: what we've seen as well. Is it's very built for

1003
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:14,467
Speaker 4: these Northern Hemisphere sides to come together for an automation

1004
00:55:14,747 --> 00:55:18,427
Speaker 4: series when the Rugby Championship sides have played ten tests

1005
00:55:18,147 --> 00:55:20,747
Speaker 4: in a few months. So we've got to put it

1006
00:55:20,787 --> 00:55:24,627
Speaker 4: in the context around how close you are. What the

1007
00:55:24,667 --> 00:55:28,587
Speaker 4: All Blacks have done great, I think is and you'll

1008
00:55:28,627 --> 00:55:30,627
Speaker 4: see the proof and the putting in the next couple

1009
00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:33,827
Speaker 4: of years. But how Scott Robinson has managed his squad,

1010
00:55:33,947 --> 00:55:36,907
Speaker 4: I think he's been outstanding. He's managed to ensure that

1011
00:55:36,947 --> 00:55:38,987
Speaker 4: there's been a bit of a bridge between some of

1012
00:55:39,027 --> 00:55:41,587
Speaker 4: the old guard with Sam Kaine t J Perrin are

1013
00:55:42,187 --> 00:55:45,587
Speaker 4: really ashering through some of this new crop. And well

1014
00:55:45,587 --> 00:55:48,667
Speaker 4: it's the TV obviously the Rookie of the Year voted

1015
00:55:48,747 --> 00:55:51,187
Speaker 4: just over the last week, but he could have easily

1016
00:55:51,227 --> 00:55:53,907
Speaker 4: been the number six of the year across the globe.

1017
00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:58,387
Speaker 4: Outstanding and I think he's done a fantastic job and

1018
00:55:58,427 --> 00:56:01,667
Speaker 4: trying circumstances and probably the toughest position to be the

1019
00:56:01,707 --> 00:56:05,827
Speaker 4: All Blacks coach off the back of a World Cup final,

1020
00:56:05,867 --> 00:56:08,147
Speaker 4: there's not many places you can go other than down,

1021
00:56:08,187 --> 00:56:10,267
Speaker 4: but I think they can hold their heads up pretty high.

1022
00:56:10,307 --> 00:56:12,747
Speaker 3: The final question ginder Ben so grateful for your time

1023
00:56:13,307 --> 00:56:15,267
Speaker 3: on the British and Irish Lions tour, which we touched

1024
00:56:15,307 --> 00:56:17,147
Speaker 3: on at the start of Hit of twenty twenty five.

1025
00:56:17,187 --> 00:56:19,147
Speaker 3: How do you think the Home Union's a placed with

1026
00:56:19,267 --> 00:56:22,667
Speaker 3: that series after what we've seen this year, James.

1027
00:56:23,027 --> 00:56:24,307
Speaker 9: I still think it's too early to say.

1028
00:56:24,307 --> 00:56:26,107
Speaker 17: I still think you've got to watch the Six Nations

1029
00:56:26,147 --> 00:56:28,147
Speaker 17: and get a really good idea. You never pick a

1030
00:56:28,187 --> 00:56:31,067
Speaker 17: Lions team in November or December, so much can change

1031
00:56:31,107 --> 00:56:34,227
Speaker 17: over the next three or four months, whether it's injuries,

1032
00:56:34,307 --> 00:56:38,107
Speaker 17: lack of form, change of form. Sometimes players come from

1033
00:56:38,147 --> 00:56:41,987
Speaker 17: absolutely nowhere proper Boulters and I think that's the beauty

1034
00:56:42,027 --> 00:56:44,467
Speaker 17: of the Six Nations this year, is that there's an

1035
00:56:44,507 --> 00:56:46,467
Speaker 17: added edge, isn't there. There's going to be a massive

1036
00:56:46,507 --> 00:56:48,987
Speaker 17: byproduct of what happens over the next.

1037
00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:50,187
Speaker 9: Three or four months.

1038
00:56:50,427 --> 00:56:52,307
Speaker 17: At the moment, you'd say a lot of those places

1039
00:56:52,347 --> 00:56:54,707
Speaker 17: are probably going to be filled by Scottish and Irish players,

1040
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:55,907
Speaker 17: but who knows.

1041
00:56:55,907 --> 00:56:57,227
Speaker 9: Things could change quite quickly.

1042
00:56:57,467 --> 00:56:59,547
Speaker 3: And Christy the Wallabies, as you touched on at the

1043
00:56:59,587 --> 00:57:02,267
Speaker 3: start on the gap, that British and Irish Lions series

1044
00:57:02,307 --> 00:57:05,427
Speaker 3: is looking at much more enticing prospect.

1045
00:57:04,907 --> 00:57:07,867
Speaker 4: Well there's definitely a chance and that's great to see

1046
00:57:07,907 --> 00:57:10,627
Speaker 4: from a just from a global rugby fan perspective.

1047
00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:12,787
Speaker 11: Look, Lions series.

1048
00:57:12,467 --> 00:57:15,067
Speaker 4: Typically are one by the home sides, aren't they?

1049
00:57:15,227 --> 00:57:15,467
Speaker 15: You know?

1050
00:57:15,507 --> 00:57:17,987
Speaker 4: It was only really in twenty thirteen that the Wallaby's

1051
00:57:17,987 --> 00:57:20,027
Speaker 4: got beaten to one, and that was a pretty It

1052
00:57:20,147 --> 00:57:22,507
Speaker 4: wasn't a well beating Wallaby side either, it was a

1053
00:57:22,507 --> 00:57:25,787
Speaker 4: side in transition. So I expect them to take at

1054
00:57:25,867 --> 00:57:29,387
Speaker 4: least one Test and I think the biggest challenge for

1055
00:57:29,427 --> 00:57:31,667
Speaker 4: Andy Farrell is going to be deciding on who he's

1056
00:57:31,707 --> 00:57:33,627
Speaker 4: ten is, because who he decides on the team.

1057
00:57:33,547 --> 00:57:36,227
Speaker 14: Probably side on the twelve, doesn't.

1058
00:57:35,907 --> 00:57:39,067
Speaker 4: It you know, does he trust Finn Russell to go

1059
00:57:39,147 --> 00:57:43,027
Speaker 4: in with a only two? Pilatu Island have got a

1060
00:57:43,027 --> 00:57:47,827
Speaker 4: brand new ten themselves, Bundiaki there at twelve Combinations is

1061
00:57:47,867 --> 00:57:50,667
Speaker 4: the really tricky thing from a Lion's perspective, and that

1062
00:57:50,827 --> 00:57:54,307
Speaker 4: balancing act will be fascinating. But at least the Wallabies

1063
00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:58,507
Speaker 4: now don't have fifteen unanswered questions around how to slot

1064
00:57:58,587 --> 00:58:01,667
Speaker 4: into players. This Wallaby team actually now has about ten

1065
00:58:01,707 --> 00:58:04,667
Speaker 4: to twelve guys where you can safely say they'll be

1066
00:58:04,707 --> 00:58:05,107
Speaker 4: taking on.

1067
00:58:05,147 --> 00:58:06,267
Speaker 11: The lines next year.

1068
00:58:06,627 --> 00:58:09,107
Speaker 4: It means Joe Schmidt is one of two steps ahead

1069
00:58:09,147 --> 00:58:10,147
Speaker 4: of Andy Fowrell.

1070
00:58:10,187 --> 00:58:11,947
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much for

1071
00:58:11,987 --> 00:58:14,707
Speaker 3: your time. Enjoy chatting rugby with you. Enjoy the brief

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Speaker 3: off season up north and the longer one down south.

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Speaker 3: James and Christy, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 9: Cheers, cheers, guys, they worries.

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Speaker 3: That is James Burrage from the BBC and Christy Dorian

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Speaker 3: joining us from the raw in Australia, summing up the

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00:58:27,187 --> 00:58:31,187
Speaker 3: Test match calendar that has been in season twenty twenty

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00:58:31,187 --> 00:58:35,307
Speaker 3: four International rugby. While we've been chatting with those fellows,

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00:58:35,507 --> 00:58:39,227
Speaker 3: this has happened on the ACC. Mitchell is on eighty four.

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00:58:40,307 --> 00:58:43,027
Speaker 8: Mitchell drives down the ground, doesn't time it perfectly and

1081
00:58:43,147 --> 00:58:48,627
Speaker 8: straight down the throat of Chris Works at mid off

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Speaker 8: and that is the end of the New Zealand innings.

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00:58:52,467 --> 00:58:54,227
Speaker 8: And that's the end of Daryl Mitchell's innings.

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Speaker 3: He's gone for eighty four. Yes, indeed, Daryl Mitchell out

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00:58:57,547 --> 00:58:59,187
Speaker 3: for eighty four and that was the end of the

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00:58:59,227 --> 00:59:03,107
Speaker 3: New Zealand innings. Two hundred and fifty four all out

1087
00:59:03,227 --> 00:59:06,627
Speaker 3: in the second dig and that means that in Glen

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00:59:06,627 --> 00:59:09,587
Speaker 3: will require one hundred and four to win the Test

1089
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:15,267
Speaker 3: match when play resumes at one fifty six pm to

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00:59:15,347 --> 00:59:18,987
Speaker 3: be precise, after they took the extra half hour, didn't

1091
00:59:19,027 --> 00:59:20,907
Speaker 3: need all of it, only needed sixteen minutes and that

1092
00:59:20,987 --> 00:59:23,907
Speaker 3: was the end of the black Caps inning. So England

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00:59:23,907 --> 00:59:25,547
Speaker 3: one hundred and four to win will get you back

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00:59:25,547 --> 00:59:28,667
Speaker 3: to Hagley Oval next hour. Here on news Talk zbign

1095
00:59:28,707 --> 00:59:31,507
Speaker 3: for your views on the Test match calendar that has

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00:59:31,627 --> 00:59:34,467
Speaker 3: been the All Black season, obviously wrapping up last week

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00:59:34,627 --> 00:59:39,667
Speaker 3: against Italy in Turin, Australia and Ireland signing off the

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00:59:39,707 --> 00:59:43,307
Speaker 3: calendar year this year has the power bay shifted if

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00:59:43,347 --> 00:59:46,627
Speaker 3: indeed it either did fully shift up north? You look

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00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:49,147
Speaker 3: at South Africa clear number one in the world. To

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00:59:49,227 --> 00:59:53,507
Speaker 3: me the All Blacks room for improvement. But banks two

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00:59:53,547 --> 00:59:56,667
Speaker 3: wins over England and Ireland one point lost to France

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00:59:56,707 --> 00:59:59,987
Speaker 3: at the end of the season. Clearly, I think you

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01:00:00,107 --> 01:00:04,467
Speaker 3: take that end of year tour, but more can be

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01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:07,827
Speaker 3: said about the Rugby Chichampionship and that loss to Argentina.

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01:00:07,867 --> 01:00:09,427
Speaker 3: But from the end of year to it feels like

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01:00:09,467 --> 01:00:12,747
Speaker 3: the All Blacks found their way a little bit. Australagant

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01:00:13,307 --> 01:00:19,387
Speaker 3: certainly on the improve could have won this morning, only

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Speaker 3: one loss on the end of year tour. Not many

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01:00:21,427 --> 01:00:24,387
Speaker 3: would have said that a few months ago after they

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01:00:24,427 --> 01:00:29,707
Speaker 3: got pelted about sixty seven points by Argentina. Is the

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01:00:29,707 --> 01:00:32,467
Speaker 3: power based still with the Southern Hemisphere? Did even leave?

1113
01:00:35,307 --> 01:00:38,547
Speaker 3: And is that Australian team just worry you ever so slightly?

1114
01:00:40,587 --> 01:00:45,107
Speaker 3: I looked at that performance this morning against the Irish

1115
01:00:45,147 --> 01:00:49,067
Speaker 3: and thought, that is a performance. The way they're playing,

1116
01:00:49,907 --> 01:00:56,427
Speaker 3: clearly Joshmant, lovely interplay between the forwards and the backs.

1117
01:00:56,467 --> 01:00:59,707
Speaker 3: The defense was outstanding. I'm sure Jochmant probably picked apart

1118
01:00:59,787 --> 01:01:05,667
Speaker 3: Ireland and knows some of their systems to the nth degree,

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01:01:05,827 --> 01:01:10,347
Speaker 3: But I haven't the Wolbies played that well for quite

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Speaker 3: some time, maybe a couple of performances of the day

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01:01:15,947 --> 01:01:18,787
Speaker 3: for any year. But I watched that and thought that's

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01:01:18,827 --> 01:01:24,427
Speaker 3: an Australian team that is poised to get better. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel like it's been stagnant. Want to hear from you, Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two

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Speaker 3: for a text mess. At least talk a bit of

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Speaker 3: rugby before we get back to the cricket. Here on

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01:01:32,587 --> 01:01:35,307
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB it is coming up twenty seven after

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Speaker 3: one one.

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Speaker 2: Crutch Hold Engage if weekend Sport with GJ Gugno homes

1130
01:01:41,867 --> 01:01:44,707
Speaker 2: New Zealand's most trusted no Milder News Talks.

1131
01:01:44,427 --> 01:01:48,467
Speaker 3: ABB twenty nine after one on News Talk ZIB Let's

1132
01:01:48,467 --> 01:01:51,467
Speaker 3: talk a bit of rugby to wrap up the international

1133
01:01:51,507 --> 01:01:54,827
Speaker 3: season twenty twenty four. Couple of texts in on the

1134
01:01:54,867 --> 01:01:58,747
Speaker 3: season that has been. Paul says this, we keep hearing

1135
01:01:58,747 --> 01:02:02,307
Speaker 3: about building, rebuild, learnings, and when the All Blacks lose

1136
01:02:02,307 --> 01:02:03,667
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's about the World Cup and

1137
01:02:03,707 --> 01:02:05,787
Speaker 3: they are trending in the right direction after twelve games,

1138
01:02:05,787 --> 01:02:09,507
Speaker 3: still making excuses. Let's get real, Italy were a hopeless team.

1139
01:02:09,627 --> 01:02:12,067
Speaker 3: Ask yourself if the All Black's gotten better after twelve games.

1140
01:02:12,107 --> 01:02:15,267
Speaker 3: Answer is no. Razor is an impossed Thank you very

1141
01:02:15,307 --> 01:02:20,307
Speaker 3: much Pul for the text. I suppose you look at

1142
01:02:20,307 --> 01:02:23,267
Speaker 3: that inter view tour in isolation and go, I do

1143
01:02:23,347 --> 01:02:27,267
Speaker 3: and go. Two wins over England and Irelands, one point

1144
01:02:27,307 --> 01:02:33,427
Speaker 3: lost to France. That's a better return than perhaps many expected.

1145
01:02:36,507 --> 01:02:40,787
Speaker 3: I think the test match selection for Italy was too

1146
01:02:40,787 --> 01:02:47,467
Speaker 3: conservative last week. You can't put players out four weeks

1147
01:02:48,307 --> 01:02:52,027
Speaker 3: in a row on an inter of view tour. That's

1148
01:02:52,067 --> 01:02:55,267
Speaker 3: the only time you play consecutive matches for four weeks straight.

1149
01:02:56,267 --> 01:02:58,067
Speaker 3: You might play super for four weeks straight, but you

1150
01:02:58,067 --> 01:03:00,747
Speaker 3: don't do it in test matches. Outside of World Cup

1151
01:03:00,787 --> 01:03:04,387
Speaker 3: inter view tours, you have four, maybe five test matches

1152
01:03:04,427 --> 01:03:08,027
Speaker 3: scheduled in consecutive weeks. I thought there was unusual. You

1153
01:03:08,027 --> 01:03:12,907
Speaker 3: haven't seen previous All Blacks coaches do that with their selections.

1154
01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:17,147
Speaker 3: Certainly they target matches and go, this is where we

1155
01:03:17,187 --> 01:03:22,027
Speaker 3: can rotate. And I don't think we learned a lot

1156
01:03:22,107 --> 01:03:25,547
Speaker 3: from that Italian performance, Whereas it would have been an

1157
01:03:25,547 --> 01:03:33,147
Speaker 3: opportunity to learn about Reuben Love, learn about Peter Luckye

1158
01:03:33,187 --> 01:03:38,307
Speaker 3: had he started, learn about Fabian Hond and go into

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01:03:38,307 --> 01:03:41,907
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five armed with a bit more knowledge about

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01:03:41,907 --> 01:03:49,987
Speaker 3: these players. That's what I expected them to do. They

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01:03:50,027 --> 01:03:53,187
Speaker 3: didn't do that, and it was a clumsy performance. It

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01:03:53,227 --> 01:03:55,707
Speaker 3: was a tired performance, I thought last week and she

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01:03:55,787 --> 01:03:59,467
Speaker 3: wean it was a performance that looked like players who

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01:03:59,507 --> 01:04:02,147
Speaker 3: had been playing four weeks straight. Wallace Tt I thought

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01:04:02,187 --> 01:04:04,627
Speaker 3: was very good last week. That was his fifth straight

1166
01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:10,947
Speaker 3: test match week. So I think you look at twenty

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01:04:10,987 --> 01:04:13,987
Speaker 3: twenty five and go there are very few opportunities to

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01:04:14,107 --> 01:04:20,307
Speaker 3: roll out Perhaps teams or players in an environment where

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01:04:20,307 --> 01:04:22,307
Speaker 3: you are expected and should win and can learn a

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01:04:22,307 --> 01:04:29,787
Speaker 3: bit more about players. So I agree with your point, Paul.

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Speaker 3: I think you look at that year ago, are they

1172
01:04:32,347 --> 01:04:36,747
Speaker 3: improved well? Weirdly, the jury is still out from after

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01:04:36,747 --> 01:04:39,187
Speaker 3: that first test in England to where we are at

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01:04:39,227 --> 01:04:43,707
Speaker 3: the end of the year nine nine two. For a text,

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Speaker 3: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Tim says this

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Speaker 3: high alligant the rules suit South Africa game might as

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01:04:53,027 --> 01:04:55,747
Speaker 3: well be American football. Fifty players and so many stoppages.

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Speaker 3: We need to get fatigue into the game more. Hopefully

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01:04:58,027 --> 01:05:00,707
Speaker 3: this ossie guy Robinson will sort the old guard out. Well,

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01:05:00,707 --> 01:05:03,267
Speaker 3: he'll meet a bit of resistance, I am sure in

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01:05:03,347 --> 01:05:06,067
Speaker 3: doing so. I think there are a number of changes

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01:05:06,067 --> 01:05:09,467
Speaker 3: that we could make to bring in fatigue in the game.

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01:05:11,827 --> 01:05:18,787
Speaker 3: And that's what sport should be about, is bringing in changes.

1184
01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:20,667
Speaker 3: You know, when someone perfects a rule, you then begin

1185
01:05:20,707 --> 01:05:22,507
Speaker 3: to tweak it, you begin to learn more. The endgame

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01:05:22,587 --> 01:05:25,987
Speaker 3: moved out the three point line when players became so

1187
01:05:26,027 --> 01:05:27,587
Speaker 3: good at it. Do they need to move it out again?

1188
01:05:29,787 --> 01:05:32,587
Speaker 3: When teams perfect and get on top of a rule

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01:05:32,627 --> 01:05:35,067
Speaker 3: like South Africa have with their very very good bomb squad.

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Speaker 3: That's when you begin to consider some changes like I

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01:05:39,067 --> 01:05:42,747
Speaker 3: would be in favor of being able to name a

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Speaker 3: nine or ten person bench, but only being able to

1193
01:05:44,987 --> 01:05:49,107
Speaker 3: use five of them brings in fatigue into the game more.

1194
01:05:49,227 --> 01:05:53,827
Speaker 3: That means you have to consider, hey, you use your substitutes,

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01:05:54,427 --> 01:06:00,227
Speaker 3: be a bit more tactical. It also changes the last

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes of the test matches. It's gonna be interested.

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01:06:03,267 --> 01:06:05,307
Speaker 3: See what but Robinson does. They spoke to pind a

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Speaker 3: few weeks ago. Fair bit in the inbox. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: for Brett Robinson. Another one says this from Brett is

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Speaker 3: rais a skin of losing or excited by winning. Picked

1201
01:06:15,787 --> 01:06:25,027
Speaker 3: the young dog and coach him. Yeah, I think there

1202
01:06:25,067 --> 01:06:27,347
Speaker 3: was a point. We obviously seen Wallace to TD second

1203
01:06:27,347 --> 01:06:30,067
Speaker 3: half of the year stand up and be really impressive.

1204
01:06:31,707 --> 01:06:33,387
Speaker 3: They took a chance on him for that second test

1205
01:06:33,427 --> 01:06:36,627
Speaker 3: in Cape town ethan blackad are out injured. Had other

1206
01:06:36,667 --> 01:06:38,547
Speaker 3: players could have gone, Luke Jacobson on the blind side

1207
01:06:38,587 --> 01:06:41,747
Speaker 3: decided to pump Wallace to TD, put him in the team,

1208
01:06:41,947 --> 01:06:43,667
Speaker 3: pay dividends. No, you can't leave him out of a

1209
01:06:43,707 --> 01:06:45,307
Speaker 3: first choice. All Blacks fifteen by the end of the

1210
01:06:45,387 --> 01:06:49,307
Speaker 3: year would have liked to see more of Billy Proctor

1211
01:06:49,347 --> 01:06:53,107
Speaker 3: this year, no doubt about it, only saw him twice.

1212
01:06:58,267 --> 01:07:01,107
Speaker 3: That I think is a real question heating into next year.

1213
01:07:01,107 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 3: What when do we begin to see these players to

1214
01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:12,547
Speaker 3: begin to build the depth ticks from Jeffer, Tony Brown

1215
01:07:12,547 --> 01:07:15,947
Speaker 3: needs to be jumbo jitted into the All Blacks. He

1216
01:07:16,067 --> 01:07:18,707
Speaker 3: understands ball playing, so TTV, running out of the backs

1217
01:07:18,787 --> 01:07:22,547
Speaker 3: like ps Peter Sifted, Toyt Brown, head coach Schmidt, and

1218
01:07:22,627 --> 01:07:28,707
Speaker 3: Cottter So Jeff is advocating for a clearout already look

1219
01:07:28,747 --> 01:07:32,987
Speaker 3: I suspect Tony Brown's South African Spring Books contract might

1220
01:07:33,027 --> 01:07:37,387
Speaker 3: be a little bit water tight. I think some of

1221
01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:39,587
Speaker 3: the detail is a little bit lacking from the All

1222
01:07:39,627 --> 01:07:44,587
Speaker 3: Blacks in the clean out area of the game. Some

1223
01:07:44,667 --> 01:07:49,907
Speaker 3: of the detail handling rockwork just hasn't been quite there

1224
01:07:49,947 --> 01:07:55,387
Speaker 3: at times on their inter of view tour. I think

1225
01:07:55,467 --> 01:07:58,867
Speaker 3: certainly something that needs to be looked at going into

1226
01:07:59,427 --> 01:08:04,067
Speaker 3: twenty five, another one of this four losses in one

1227
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Speaker 3: season for the All Blacks. One of the worst seasons ever.

1228
01:08:08,107 --> 01:08:15,707
Speaker 3: Not wrong, I remember five and nine, only eight fourteen

1229
01:08:15,747 --> 01:08:19,987
Speaker 3: tests this year should have won one in South Africa

1230
01:08:20,427 --> 01:08:25,147
Speaker 3: at least one point of losing in France. The one

1231
01:08:25,147 --> 01:08:29,347
Speaker 3: that really sticks in the craw as the Argentina Argentina game.

1232
01:08:29,387 --> 01:08:33,267
Speaker 3: Excuse me and Wellington. I think it still lives a

1233
01:08:33,307 --> 01:08:36,907
Speaker 3: little bit rent free in the All Blacks heads. Maybe

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01:08:36,987 --> 01:08:39,227
Speaker 3: that has potentially made them a little bit gun shy

1235
01:08:39,947 --> 01:08:42,067
Speaker 3: as well, knowing that they had those losses on their

1236
01:08:42,107 --> 01:08:49,947
Speaker 3: shoulders already this year, couldn't afford another one because I

1237
01:08:49,987 --> 01:08:53,387
Speaker 3: think that Argentine. I know because I spoke to Scott

1238
01:08:53,467 --> 01:08:57,907
Speaker 3: Robinson about the season of review. You might have heard

1239
01:08:57,907 --> 01:09:02,267
Speaker 3: it last week on Hearing News Talks Hebb that Argentina

1240
01:09:02,307 --> 01:09:05,187
Speaker 3: loss lives rent free and some of the All Blacks

1241
01:09:05,227 --> 01:09:08,747
Speaker 3: coaches heads because they shouldn't have lost that game, had

1242
01:09:08,747 --> 01:09:14,987
Speaker 3: no reason to lose them they did twenty twenty five.

1243
01:09:15,027 --> 01:09:17,387
Speaker 3: We are a very interesting year, I'm sure of that.

1244
01:09:17,427 --> 01:09:20,227
Speaker 3: When it comes to the All blackst just joining us.

1245
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:22,707
Speaker 3: Black Caps are all out two hundred and fifty four.

1246
01:09:24,947 --> 01:09:26,627
Speaker 3: England will need one hundred and four to win the

1247
01:09:26,627 --> 01:09:31,347
Speaker 3: Test match, play resuming at one fifty six at Hagley Oval.

1248
01:09:31,827 --> 01:09:33,587
Speaker 3: Take a break, come back with more after this. James

1249
01:09:33,627 --> 01:09:34,667
Speaker 3: Maconey going to do the show.

1250
01:09:35,907 --> 01:09:38,827
Speaker 1: You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred

1251
01:09:38,827 --> 01:09:42,947
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with GJ. Gunnos, New

1252
01:09:43,027 --> 01:09:45,187
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

1253
01:09:44,987 --> 01:09:49,667
Speaker 3: Talk ZEDB twenty away from two on News Talk ZB.

1254
01:09:49,867 --> 01:09:53,027
Speaker 3: As we do this time every Sunday afternoon, it's a

1255
01:09:53,107 --> 01:09:56,907
Speaker 3: very warm welcome. James mcconey, Good afternoon, Elliott.

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01:09:56,987 --> 01:09:57,947
Speaker 6: How's it going mate?

1257
01:09:57,987 --> 01:10:00,067
Speaker 3: You're right, I'm good, Thank you good, thank you. Good

1258
01:10:00,067 --> 01:10:02,867
Speaker 3: to be back in New Zealand and watching some cricket.

1259
01:10:02,867 --> 01:10:04,707
Speaker 3: It would be better if the black Caps could catch.

1260
01:10:05,467 --> 01:10:06,267
Speaker 3: Having said that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know they put down a few chances. Catches

1262
01:10:09,667 --> 01:10:12,187
Speaker 6: with matches, as they say it. Look, I think this

1263
01:10:12,347 --> 01:10:15,227
Speaker 6: just shows that when you're a team that's regularly playing

1264
01:10:15,987 --> 01:10:20,227
Speaker 6: Test cricket like England and seem to just have a

1265
01:10:20,227 --> 01:10:24,107
Speaker 6: bit more composure and a confident when they're big guns

1266
01:10:24,147 --> 01:10:27,547
Speaker 6: aren't firing. I mean, Joe Root got a duck right,

1267
01:10:27,627 --> 01:10:30,387
Speaker 6: so he was out after four balls, but Harry Brook

1268
01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:32,267
Speaker 6: set them up with one hundred and seventy one for

1269
01:10:32,307 --> 01:10:34,907
Speaker 6: an inning. That's really going to ensure that your team

1270
01:10:34,987 --> 01:10:37,707
Speaker 6: is in a winning position. But you know, my main

1271
01:10:37,907 --> 01:10:40,787
Speaker 6: issue I think with this was just maybe in the

1272
01:10:40,827 --> 01:10:44,147
Speaker 6: selection I sort of felt that there would have been

1273
01:10:44,227 --> 01:10:46,907
Speaker 6: room for a proper spinner. I would have liked to

1274
01:10:46,947 --> 01:10:50,227
Speaker 6: have seen, you know, Mitch Stanton had a side strain.

1275
01:10:50,307 --> 01:10:55,267
Speaker 6: But I still believe in picking your best spinner for

1276
01:10:55,507 --> 01:10:59,107
Speaker 6: even tests in New Zealand. And then also, you know,

1277
01:10:59,187 --> 01:11:03,227
Speaker 6: Will Young the player of the series in India and

1278
01:11:03,507 --> 01:11:06,307
Speaker 6: I can't get a gig, And I just thought after

1279
01:11:07,307 --> 01:11:10,547
Speaker 6: you know has averages thirty seven for the calendar year,

1280
01:11:11,147 --> 01:11:13,627
Speaker 6: and I think someone like Devin Conway who's been slipping

1281
01:11:13,667 --> 01:11:16,467
Speaker 6: away a little bit, his average has gone from fifty

1282
01:11:16,747 --> 01:11:19,587
Speaker 6: down to thirty eight, and maybe just keep stay with

1283
01:11:19,627 --> 01:11:21,147
Speaker 6: the hot hands, stay with Bill Young.

1284
01:11:21,747 --> 01:11:25,507
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think the team you look at and

1285
01:11:25,547 --> 01:11:27,627
Speaker 3: at the moment you've got to go with the players

1286
01:11:27,667 --> 01:11:29,867
Speaker 3: that are in form and the packs and players that

1287
01:11:29,907 --> 01:11:31,787
Speaker 3: are woefully out of form rather than the ones that,

1288
01:11:31,867 --> 01:11:33,027
Speaker 3: as you say, have the hot hand.

1289
01:11:34,027 --> 01:11:34,267
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1290
01:11:34,347 --> 01:11:37,027
Speaker 6: And that's the tricky thing with batting is I mean,

1291
01:11:37,067 --> 01:11:39,307
Speaker 6: I know Conway has been in there as an open

1292
01:11:39,387 --> 01:11:42,067
Speaker 6: Will Young has opened as well. Is that you know

1293
01:11:42,147 --> 01:11:45,787
Speaker 6: it is it's a confidence game and taking that momentum

1294
01:11:45,827 --> 01:11:48,427
Speaker 6: away from Bill Young. I think that's what's customers entire

1295
01:11:49,187 --> 01:11:53,307
Speaker 6: or short test career is knowing that he's probably that

1296
01:11:53,347 --> 01:11:55,307
Speaker 6: he might get dropped the next the very next game,

1297
01:11:55,587 --> 01:11:58,427
Speaker 6: and that's what's happened to it after a history making

1298
01:11:58,947 --> 01:12:02,867
Speaker 6: series win in India. So it's just a few I

1299
01:12:02,867 --> 01:12:06,787
Speaker 6: guess what you call it, like philosophical differences with the

1300
01:12:06,787 --> 01:12:08,187
Speaker 6: way that we pick our team.

1301
01:12:08,267 --> 01:12:12,867
Speaker 3: Indeed, speaking of philosophical differences, Scott Robertson is going to

1302
01:12:12,867 --> 01:12:15,507
Speaker 3: go to the New Zealand Rugby Board again on the

1303
01:12:15,547 --> 01:12:20,027
Speaker 3: eligibility matter and see if maybe there's a door that

1304
01:12:20,067 --> 01:12:23,027
Speaker 3: can open to players from abroad to play for the

1305
01:12:23,027 --> 01:12:25,267
Speaker 3: All Blacks. Again, what do you make of that? We're abouts?

1306
01:12:25,307 --> 01:12:26,427
Speaker 3: Do you stand on the jams?

1307
01:12:27,907 --> 01:12:30,307
Speaker 6: I don't think we can afford to pick players from overseas.

1308
01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:32,507
Speaker 6: I just think that once the flood gates are opened,

1309
01:12:32,587 --> 01:12:35,107
Speaker 6: I mean, then there might be if there was a

1310
01:12:35,147 --> 01:12:39,507
Speaker 6: special dispensation. Maybe there's that. But you know, if you

1311
01:12:39,587 --> 01:12:42,467
Speaker 6: want Super Rugby and the NPC to survive, you can't

1312
01:12:42,507 --> 01:12:44,627
Speaker 6: just suddenly say we're picking from all around the world,

1313
01:12:45,107 --> 01:12:48,027
Speaker 6: as simple as that. But we know it's all about

1314
01:12:48,027 --> 01:12:52,787
Speaker 6: one person. It's all about Richie Moonger, right, So for me,

1315
01:12:53,707 --> 01:12:58,427
Speaker 6: if you're chasing you know Richie Moonger from four years ago,

1316
01:12:58,547 --> 01:13:01,587
Speaker 6: I mean it's a bit like trying to get back

1317
01:13:01,587 --> 01:13:03,867
Speaker 6: with you with the r X. We've all done that

1318
01:13:04,227 --> 01:13:06,707
Speaker 6: and we you know, and it's a rare skin. It

1319
01:13:06,707 --> 01:13:09,747
Speaker 6: doesn't always work, you know. It's the same as rugby players.

1320
01:13:09,787 --> 01:13:09,907
Speaker 18: You know.

1321
01:13:10,027 --> 01:13:12,987
Speaker 6: There's a few more miles on the clock, a bit

1322
01:13:12,987 --> 01:13:16,187
Speaker 6: more stuck in their ways. They're always complaining about clothes

1323
01:13:16,227 --> 01:13:18,187
Speaker 6: on the floor and the amount of time is watching

1324
01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:22,267
Speaker 6: sport and where to go for Christmas. Sorry, it's got

1325
01:13:22,267 --> 01:13:22,827
Speaker 6: triggered there.

1326
01:13:23,347 --> 01:13:26,187
Speaker 3: It feels like you're just brought up some repris memories

1327
01:13:26,187 --> 01:13:28,667
Speaker 3: for you. Sorry James, but you know what.

1328
01:13:28,627 --> 01:13:30,907
Speaker 6: It's like, are we going to get the Is he

1329
01:13:30,987 --> 01:13:33,307
Speaker 6: going to get the player that he really wants if

1330
01:13:33,347 --> 01:13:35,987
Speaker 6: he's going in for more Warner? And also I just

1331
01:13:36,027 --> 01:13:38,827
Speaker 6: wonder whether what it says about New Zealand's development. I

1332
01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:41,427
Speaker 6: think we've verse five has been a real blind spot

1333
01:13:41,467 --> 01:13:43,787
Speaker 6: for us. I mean France they just chucked Ramos and

1334
01:13:43,787 --> 01:13:45,907
Speaker 6: there's their fullback and they were fine, you know, like

1335
01:13:45,947 --> 01:13:49,667
Speaker 6: where we have got a big mental blockover all who

1336
01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:54,587
Speaker 6: plays first five and and and so so much focus

1337
01:13:54,627 --> 01:13:57,107
Speaker 6: goes on it. I actually personally think it's one of

1338
01:13:57,147 --> 01:14:01,827
Speaker 6: the more fun and easy positions in rugby, and then

1339
01:14:01,867 --> 01:14:05,067
Speaker 6: we shouldn't he shouldn't actually stress about it. You know,

1340
01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:08,227
Speaker 6: play seem to would be a lot scarier than just

1341
01:14:08,267 --> 01:14:10,867
Speaker 6: been tacking in and playing first five. I think the

1342
01:14:10,907 --> 01:14:15,707
Speaker 6: way Ireland protected Johnny Sexton for years there he could

1343
01:14:15,707 --> 01:14:19,707
Speaker 6: have played first five until he was forty eight thirty eight,

1344
01:14:19,747 --> 01:14:24,667
Speaker 6: the way that they did that. So yeah, I'm not underperceived.

1345
01:14:24,707 --> 01:14:27,867
Speaker 6: Join that yourself, Elliott, you're the rugby reporterby editor.

1346
01:14:27,987 --> 01:14:30,707
Speaker 3: Look, if they're going to do it, it needs to be very,

1347
01:14:30,787 --> 01:14:34,467
Speaker 3: very limited. It needs to be maybe one forward, one back,

1348
01:14:34,507 --> 01:14:36,427
Speaker 3: having reached a certain number of caps as sort of

1349
01:14:36,467 --> 01:14:40,027
Speaker 3: a thanks to you long service, appreciate it, and we

1350
01:14:40,067 --> 01:14:42,067
Speaker 3: will still want you any part of the team. I

1351
01:14:42,067 --> 01:14:44,747
Speaker 3: wouldn't want it to become widespread, but I think there

1352
01:14:44,747 --> 01:14:49,467
Speaker 3: are certain limitations. You could cap on it and go, Okay,

1353
01:14:49,467 --> 01:14:51,387
Speaker 3: this player's given us All New Zealand. He deserves to

1354
01:14:51,427 --> 01:14:53,707
Speaker 3: go make some yeen abroad and we still want a

1355
01:14:53,747 --> 01:14:56,147
Speaker 3: part of the All Blacks. But if you can make

1356
01:14:56,187 --> 01:15:01,747
Speaker 3: the restrictions and the qualifications for that pretty tight, I

1357
01:15:01,787 --> 01:15:04,827
Speaker 3: would be open to it to an extent, but you

1358
01:15:04,827 --> 01:15:09,747
Speaker 3: wouldn't want it to become wide spreads. Let's top football James,

1359
01:15:09,867 --> 01:15:12,267
Speaker 3: because Auckland f C have forgotten how to lose or

1360
01:15:12,427 --> 01:15:12,907
Speaker 3: liver lost.

1361
01:15:13,827 --> 01:15:16,707
Speaker 6: What's that sorry the Auckland C. Yeah, I was just

1362
01:15:16,747 --> 01:15:18,467
Speaker 6: before we move on there. I was going to say,

1363
01:15:18,627 --> 01:15:20,947
Speaker 6: I think that's a good that's not a bad scheme.

1364
01:15:20,987 --> 01:15:23,307
Speaker 6: If they could do it that way, then maybe that's

1365
01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:25,387
Speaker 6: one way of selling it. But you know, the players

1366
01:15:25,387 --> 01:15:27,627
Speaker 6: who make that sacrifice, then you've got to you know,

1367
01:15:29,027 --> 01:15:31,387
Speaker 6: balance it out for them, otherwise there could be some

1368
01:15:31,427 --> 01:15:35,027
Speaker 6: floodgates opening. But yes, Auckland CE have just kept on

1369
01:15:35,107 --> 01:15:38,467
Speaker 6: winning and kept on keeping a clean sheet. Alex Paulson

1370
01:15:38,507 --> 01:15:42,707
Speaker 6: I heard that he was before the Tiwi Classico the

1371
01:15:43,107 --> 01:15:46,547
Speaker 6: derby with Wellington Phoenix, that he was so stressed out

1372
01:15:46,587 --> 01:15:48,907
Speaker 6: about that, you know, really fearful actually how he's going

1373
01:15:48,987 --> 01:15:51,627
Speaker 6: to get treated down in Wellington. So he's been going

1374
01:15:51,667 --> 01:15:55,107
Speaker 6: on this really emotional roller coaster playing for what is

1375
01:15:55,387 --> 01:15:59,667
Speaker 6: essentially the arch nemesis of his of his beloved Phoenix,

1376
01:15:59,707 --> 01:16:02,987
Speaker 6: and being almost best player on the park and when

1377
01:16:02,987 --> 01:16:06,347
Speaker 6: he's up against the Phoenix again this weekend. So that's

1378
01:16:06,707 --> 01:16:09,427
Speaker 6: a story within the story if you like. But really

1379
01:16:09,467 --> 01:16:10,267
Speaker 6: just what they've.

1380
01:16:10,027 --> 01:16:15,107
Speaker 15: Done is that they've recruited well, Mordno from Columbia, I

1381
01:16:15,107 --> 01:16:20,147
Speaker 15: think scored yesterday, So even their imports have been not

1382
01:16:20,347 --> 01:16:23,067
Speaker 15: really well chosen, and they play a really good style.

1383
01:16:23,107 --> 01:16:25,467
Speaker 6: The only thing that I think is missing from them

1384
01:16:25,587 --> 01:16:28,587
Speaker 6: is creating a few more chances that are clear cut,

1385
01:16:28,707 --> 01:16:31,907
Speaker 6: and it's a little bit frustrating. Sometimes they play these

1386
01:16:31,907 --> 01:16:34,507
Speaker 6: inverted wingers where you know you got someone on the

1387
01:16:34,587 --> 01:16:37,707
Speaker 6: left who's actually right foot, so when they cut back

1388
01:16:37,747 --> 01:16:40,387
Speaker 6: in they can shoot, but conversely it means they don't

1389
01:16:40,387 --> 01:16:44,067
Speaker 6: necessarily cross the ball as well. So when they can

1390
01:16:44,107 --> 01:16:47,587
Speaker 6: sort that out, then I think they'll be scoring in bunches.

1391
01:16:47,267 --> 01:16:49,187
Speaker 3: That darby next week's you got to be huge, isn't

1392
01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:50,587
Speaker 3: it at Mount Smart huge?

1393
01:16:51,387 --> 01:16:55,587
Speaker 6: Yeh, sell out. It's I think it's twenty six thousand,

1394
01:16:55,627 --> 01:17:00,187
Speaker 6: they're saying. So it is messive, and I mean all

1395
01:17:00,267 --> 01:17:02,587
Speaker 6: eyes on the goal is because last time the Phoenix

1396
01:17:02,627 --> 01:17:07,747
Speaker 6: goalie pretty much lost it for the Knicks, and then

1397
01:17:08,387 --> 01:17:12,467
Speaker 6: again Paulson, Let's just see the stress levels he must feel.

1398
01:17:13,067 --> 01:17:17,387
Speaker 6: I mean, in terms of emotions, the most emotional game

1399
01:17:17,907 --> 01:17:20,107
Speaker 6: he's ever had and he's having to back it up

1400
01:17:20,347 --> 01:17:21,507
Speaker 6: a few weeks later.

1401
01:17:21,747 --> 01:17:24,387
Speaker 3: And just finally, James tell me about this, what Tom

1402
01:17:24,387 --> 01:17:27,347
Speaker 3: Molsh and Hamish Caure up to the alt or Athletics Trust.

1403
01:17:27,347 --> 01:17:27,867
Speaker 3: I haven't heard of this.

1404
01:17:28,947 --> 01:17:31,787
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is something that they're starting for young athletes.

1405
01:17:31,787 --> 01:17:33,747
Speaker 6: They're trying to help with the funding. It's really tough,

1406
01:17:33,747 --> 01:17:36,027
Speaker 6: I think for the athletes who are even getting to

1407
01:17:36,027 --> 01:17:39,467
Speaker 6: towards Olympics or definite World Champs level to get any

1408
01:17:39,547 --> 01:17:41,867
Speaker 6: kind of funding. They're always having to juggle jobs and

1409
01:17:42,587 --> 01:17:46,787
Speaker 6: try and scrounge for sponsorship. So this trust is really

1410
01:17:46,827 --> 01:17:48,627
Speaker 6: there to have a look online if you like alt

1411
01:17:48,667 --> 01:17:53,147
Speaker 6: out or Athletics Trust dot com. It's really designed to

1412
01:17:53,187 --> 01:17:55,947
Speaker 6: help the next generation of athletes and you get the

1413
01:17:56,107 --> 01:17:59,947
Speaker 6: expertise of people like Hamish care and Tom Walsho are

1414
01:17:59,987 --> 01:18:03,507
Speaker 6: behind it to help you, you know, as mentors. So

1415
01:18:03,587 --> 01:18:06,867
Speaker 6: when that sort of I was there at the launch

1416
01:18:06,907 --> 01:18:11,307
Speaker 6: about a week ago and they just invited a few

1417
01:18:11,747 --> 01:18:14,627
Speaker 6: key stakeholders and me. I don't know why I was there,

1418
01:18:14,667 --> 01:18:16,547
Speaker 6: but it was a free lunch.

1419
01:18:16,547 --> 01:18:17,427
Speaker 5: Elliott, here we go.

1420
01:18:18,467 --> 01:18:21,587
Speaker 6: Yeah, and no such thing I have to talk about

1421
01:18:21,627 --> 01:18:22,307
Speaker 6: on radio now.

1422
01:18:22,347 --> 01:18:22,547
Speaker 18: But no.

1423
01:18:22,867 --> 01:18:26,067
Speaker 6: I think what they're doing really is trying to get

1424
01:18:27,387 --> 01:18:29,747
Speaker 6: away from the funding models that don't work for everyone.

1425
01:18:29,827 --> 01:18:32,947
Speaker 6: For every Olympic medalist and athlete, there's about four or

1426
01:18:32,987 --> 01:18:36,227
Speaker 6: five others who fall by the wayside and sometimes never

1427
01:18:36,267 --> 01:18:39,787
Speaker 6: ever realized their potential. I mean just a recent example

1428
01:18:39,907 --> 01:18:45,067
Speaker 6: might be Eddie and Kitty at the sprinter. So if

1429
01:18:45,107 --> 01:18:48,027
Speaker 6: you're interested in that and you think that you'd like to,

1430
01:18:48,147 --> 01:18:51,067
Speaker 6: if you're keen on your athletics and you think it's

1431
01:18:50,747 --> 01:18:54,907
Speaker 6: an important sport, which I think it really is, and

1432
01:18:55,187 --> 01:18:58,747
Speaker 6: go to Alturtleathletics trust dot com and find out how

1433
01:18:58,787 --> 01:19:01,187
Speaker 6: you can donate and find out about their events. And

1434
01:19:01,627 --> 01:19:04,187
Speaker 6: in the case of Hamish Curve, I think he's going

1435
01:19:04,227 --> 01:19:06,827
Speaker 6: to compete at least twice over the summer. I mean,

1436
01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:10,267
Speaker 6: remember this is the Olympic gold medalist high jumper, and

1437
01:19:10,307 --> 01:19:13,307
Speaker 6: I think it'll be at the Brook's Gardens and Wanga

1438
01:19:13,387 --> 01:19:15,307
Speaker 6: Nui's so good, oh Wanganu, he's going to get a

1439
01:19:15,307 --> 01:19:18,427
Speaker 6: look at him. And also the National Champs in Dunedan,

1440
01:19:18,907 --> 01:19:22,547
Speaker 6: so that's where you'll get to see the great man himself.

1441
01:19:22,667 --> 01:19:25,027
Speaker 3: Ah good. I mean you're obviously at started to France

1442
01:19:25,067 --> 01:19:27,507
Speaker 3: last year with me at the World Cup commentating those

1443
01:19:27,547 --> 01:19:29,307
Speaker 3: guys I looked, you know, started to France and I

1444
01:19:29,307 --> 01:19:31,547
Speaker 3: was there a couple of weeks back, and they'll go.

1445
01:19:31,627 --> 01:19:34,507
Speaker 3: That's where hamous Kerr got the gold medal. That's where

1446
01:19:34,507 --> 01:19:35,747
Speaker 3: he got it. I was and he did the run

1447
01:19:35,787 --> 01:19:39,307
Speaker 3: around the track. It was so good exactly, I know.

1448
01:19:39,347 --> 01:19:41,267
Speaker 6: And I didn't even make it to that although I

1449
01:19:41,387 --> 01:19:45,187
Speaker 6: just think that like that, that moment is just so exceptional.

1450
01:19:45,227 --> 01:19:47,147
Speaker 6: We've never seen anything like that. I mean, you met

1451
01:19:47,147 --> 01:19:50,267
Speaker 6: Williams one and the long jumper, you know, high jump

1452
01:19:50,267 --> 01:19:52,747
Speaker 6: in the modern era is just that. We never see

1453
01:19:52,747 --> 01:19:56,427
Speaker 6: the New Zealand flag, you know, anywhere close to the podium,

1454
01:19:56,467 --> 01:20:00,427
Speaker 6: and now we've got this guy who's right at the top. It's, yeah,

1455
01:20:00,587 --> 01:20:03,467
Speaker 6: something special for the sport. And also you can trace

1456
01:20:03,587 --> 01:20:07,667
Speaker 6: athletics back to a lot of you know, top sports

1457
01:20:07,707 --> 01:20:10,227
Speaker 6: people here in New Zealand in their past. You know

1458
01:20:10,307 --> 01:20:13,427
Speaker 6: there's Sunny Bill has been involved, you know, so many

1459
01:20:13,467 --> 01:20:17,027
Speaker 6: of our rugby players, cricketers. Yep, we're great in athletics

1460
01:20:17,787 --> 01:20:20,867
Speaker 6: and netball. So this is the thing. I think it's

1461
01:20:20,907 --> 01:20:24,387
Speaker 6: still really important and go out there and support that

1462
01:20:24,547 --> 01:20:27,987
Speaker 6: sport because you know, this is where it's the building

1463
01:20:27,987 --> 01:20:30,187
Speaker 6: blocks and we want to be part of the prestige sport.

1464
01:20:30,267 --> 01:20:32,827
Speaker 6: I think of the Olympics the way we were in.

1465
01:20:32,747 --> 01:20:35,707
Speaker 3: Paris absolutely James Laconey is always thank you very much

1466
01:20:35,707 --> 01:20:38,187
Speaker 3: for your time on a Sunday afternoon. Appreciate it.

1467
01:20:38,267 --> 01:20:39,067
Speaker 6: Cheers Elliott.

1468
01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:41,547
Speaker 3: That is James Laconey joining us as he does on

1469
01:20:41,587 --> 01:20:46,027
Speaker 3: a Sunday afternoon here on News Talk ZB and Weekend Sport.

1470
01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:48,067
Speaker 3: Take a break, come back, wrap up the hour up

1471
01:20:48,147 --> 01:20:50,307
Speaker 3: after this on News Talk ZB, where it is coming

1472
01:20:50,387 --> 01:20:51,427
Speaker 3: up eight away from two.

1473
01:20:51,547 --> 01:20:55,187
Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Olympic field

1474
01:20:56,827 --> 01:20:59,507
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport News Talk ZB.

1475
01:20:59,907 --> 01:21:02,427
Speaker 3: A couple more techs on the rugby to finish the hour.

1476
01:21:02,667 --> 01:21:04,787
Speaker 3: Ed with this, the Box used fifty players and only

1477
01:21:04,787 --> 01:21:06,987
Speaker 3: lost two matches. The Box now have f fifty players

1478
01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:11,627
Speaker 3: of test game capable capability. All they tried all different ways,

1479
01:21:11,707 --> 01:21:16,587
Speaker 3: change things and ideas. I think that New Zealand would

1480
01:21:16,587 --> 01:21:18,507
Speaker 3: have put on a different, complete, different team against Italy,

1481
01:21:18,667 --> 01:21:20,947
Speaker 3: a team that most provincial teams and some senior club

1482
01:21:20,947 --> 01:21:24,547
Speaker 3: teams would beat. They did retain a lot of players

1483
01:21:24,587 --> 01:21:26,867
Speaker 3: from the World Cup because of their selection policy, is

1484
01:21:26,867 --> 01:21:28,827
Speaker 3: the one thing I'd point out there. Ed, I think

1485
01:21:28,827 --> 01:21:32,907
Speaker 3: they only lost one or two players to retirements. Another

1486
01:21:32,907 --> 01:21:35,507
Speaker 3: one says there's only shock locks this year was Argentina,

1487
01:21:35,587 --> 01:21:38,947
Speaker 3: but we can't keep changing our tens. We need to

1488
01:21:39,027 --> 01:21:41,947
Speaker 3: build and Christmas, I played rugby back in the late

1489
01:21:41,987 --> 01:21:46,267
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties that recall over three hundred k registered players,

1490
01:21:46,307 --> 01:21:48,387
Speaker 3: now close to half that number, including the growth in

1491
01:21:48,427 --> 01:21:51,067
Speaker 3: women's rugby. Need to grow the game at grass roots again,

1492
01:21:51,107 --> 01:21:52,947
Speaker 3: thank you very much for the text, Chris. Couple more

1493
01:21:53,267 --> 01:21:55,827
Speaker 3: that it might get too. After two o'clock England have

1494
01:21:55,907 --> 01:21:59,267
Speaker 3: come to the crease in the crickets and we've seen

1495
01:21:59,307 --> 01:22:01,747
Speaker 3: off the first ball Crawley and Ducket at the crease.

1496
01:22:01,747 --> 01:22:04,507
Speaker 3: They need one hundred and four to win. Tim Soudy

1497
01:22:04,587 --> 01:22:08,827
Speaker 3: charging in from the porthills in christ Church to try

1498
01:22:08,907 --> 01:22:11,827
Speaker 3: and get some wickets and get the Black Cabs maybe

1499
01:22:11,827 --> 01:22:15,427
Speaker 3: a sniff of winning this Test match. Coming up after

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Speaker 3: two o'clock we Talk We Talk Auckland FC, with Jacob Spoonley,

1501
01:22:20,347 --> 01:22:23,227
Speaker 3: Sky commentator and former All White going to join the

1502
01:22:23,267 --> 01:22:25,707
Speaker 3: program to look at their fifth straight win to start

1503
01:22:25,787 --> 01:22:29,347
Speaker 3: the A League season. Mike Manay from BBC Radio Manchester

1504
01:22:29,427 --> 01:22:32,707
Speaker 3: on the program next hour as well. Manchester City six

1505
01:22:32,747 --> 01:22:35,147
Speaker 3: games without a win, five of those defeats and five

1506
01:22:35,467 --> 01:22:37,747
Speaker 3: some of them quite heavy defeats at that as well,

1507
01:22:37,787 --> 01:22:40,547
Speaker 3: and they face the competition leaders in the Premier League

1508
01:22:40,587 --> 01:22:44,227
Speaker 3: overnight tonight in Liverpool, Black Maney next hour on the

1509
01:22:44,227 --> 01:22:46,747
Speaker 3: program News Sport and we're the next here on News

1510
01:22:46,747 --> 01:22:47,547
Speaker 3: Talk ZIB.

1511
01:22:48,667 --> 01:22:52,987
Speaker 2: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1512
01:22:53,627 --> 01:22:59,147
Speaker 2: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1513
01:22:59,227 --> 01:23:03,747
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport on your home of sport, News Talk ZIB.

1514
01:23:07,347 --> 01:23:10,547
Speaker 3: Welcome back in six and a half after two on

1515
01:23:10,667 --> 01:23:15,067
Speaker 3: News Talk zedvat final hour of Weekend Sport. Before we

1516
01:23:15,107 --> 01:23:19,107
Speaker 3: go any further, let's bring you this good. I see

1517
01:23:19,147 --> 01:23:22,427
Speaker 3: our friends at the ac seat in one for nine.

1518
01:23:22,747 --> 01:23:26,267
Speaker 8: This is the second over Henry Crawley drive and he's

1519
01:23:26,307 --> 01:23:27,667
Speaker 8: quarter by by Henry.

1520
01:23:28,227 --> 01:23:29,587
Speaker 11: What a catch that was.

1521
01:23:30,627 --> 01:23:33,947
Speaker 8: He missed time to drive. It was full and Henry

1522
01:23:34,947 --> 01:23:37,347
Speaker 8: with a reflex catch to his right. He got two

1523
01:23:37,387 --> 01:23:41,267
Speaker 8: hands to it. Not easy, those certain not easy. But

1524
01:23:41,467 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 8: Crawley for one.

1525
01:23:43,427 --> 01:23:47,467
Speaker 3: Indeed, Crawley goes for one. England now nine for one

1526
01:23:47,667 --> 01:23:51,467
Speaker 3: they are chasing. Well, they need ninety five more put

1527
01:23:51,467 --> 01:23:53,147
Speaker 3: it that way, so it's under one hundred now they've

1528
01:23:53,147 --> 01:23:56,147
Speaker 3: just gone bang bang with fours and the target of

1529
01:23:56,147 --> 01:23:58,627
Speaker 3: one hundred and forward to win the Test match. But

1530
01:23:58,667 --> 01:24:02,387
Speaker 3: hey still a chance for the Black Cats. We will

1531
01:24:02,387 --> 01:24:04,867
Speaker 3: get you to Hagley over before the hour is out.

1532
01:24:04,907 --> 01:24:10,387
Speaker 3: Getting update from Andrew Ordison as this test match continues,

1533
01:24:10,427 --> 01:24:13,787
Speaker 3: maybe for only a couple more hours potentially, but you

1534
01:24:13,867 --> 01:24:18,107
Speaker 3: never know, you never know. Also this out Jacob Spoonley,

1535
01:24:18,387 --> 01:24:21,187
Speaker 3: Sky Sport football commentator and former all Way It's going

1536
01:24:21,227 --> 01:24:24,747
Speaker 3: to join us to reflect on five straight for Auckland

1537
01:24:24,987 --> 01:24:29,427
Speaker 3: FC to start their campaign to start their life as

1538
01:24:29,467 --> 01:24:33,547
Speaker 3: a professional side. Good win over Newcastle Jets and driving

1539
01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:37,347
Speaker 3: rain yesterday left it late but hags a couple of goals.

1540
01:24:37,467 --> 01:24:41,547
Speaker 3: Jacob Spoonley to join the program to look back and

1541
01:24:41,787 --> 01:24:46,227
Speaker 3: also look ahead to next week's derby. Very shortly, we

1542
01:24:46,307 --> 01:24:51,067
Speaker 3: continue with football Mike Minate out of BBC Radio Manchester

1543
01:24:51,187 --> 01:24:54,467
Speaker 3: to digging what on earth is going wrong with the

1544
01:24:54,467 --> 01:24:58,827
Speaker 3: four time reigning Champions of England. Manchester City haven't won

1545
01:24:58,867 --> 01:25:01,587
Speaker 3: in six five of those who been losses. They blew

1546
01:25:02,227 --> 01:25:04,867
Speaker 3: a three mil lead in the Champions League against Final

1547
01:25:05,107 --> 01:25:08,587
Speaker 3: during the week drew three. That's the only non loss

1548
01:25:08,587 --> 01:25:12,387
Speaker 3: of the period and they've got Liverpool tomorrow morning in

1549
01:25:12,387 --> 01:25:16,347
Speaker 3: the Premier League and Chris Wood's Nottingham Forest later on

1550
01:25:16,947 --> 01:25:19,467
Speaker 3: in the week as well. Daunting seven days ahead for

1551
01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:22,387
Speaker 3: Manchester City. We dig into what's going wrong with Mike

1552
01:25:22,467 --> 01:25:25,347
Speaker 3: Manay very shortly here on News Talks you beat where

1553
01:25:25,387 --> 01:25:29,987
Speaker 3: it is eight after two, and this time every Saturday,

1554
01:25:30,627 --> 01:25:34,547
Speaker 3: every Sunday, it is in case you missed it, everything

1555
01:25:34,587 --> 01:25:36,707
Speaker 3: you need to know. With a round of the Sporting World.

1556
01:25:37,987 --> 01:25:40,387
Speaker 3: We go to cut it Max for Stappin with a

1557
01:25:40,507 --> 01:25:43,387
Speaker 3: strong qualifying performance with an asterisk stove.

1558
01:25:43,787 --> 01:25:47,067
Speaker 19: Here is it our first poles in Austria four maxmth

1559
01:25:47,107 --> 01:25:50,947
Speaker 19: Stafford is Fernando Alonso go State's fastest or is George Russell,

1560
01:25:51,147 --> 01:25:53,587
Speaker 19: gonna create poland he's not professional pole in the moment.

1561
01:25:53,867 --> 01:25:54,667
Speaker 3: It's Max mus.

1562
01:25:54,547 --> 01:25:56,987
Speaker 19: Stafford to chy and that I am to the line,

1563
01:25:57,027 --> 01:25:57,547
Speaker 19: the four.

1564
01:25:57,427 --> 01:25:58,387
Speaker 3: Time world champion.

1565
01:25:58,667 --> 01:26:02,787
Speaker 19: What's his ratful long pole? By fifty five one thousands.

1566
01:26:02,387 --> 01:26:05,867
Speaker 3: Of a second? However that asterix he's been penalized the spot,

1567
01:26:05,907 --> 01:26:08,547
Speaker 3: so he'll start from second on the Gridley and Lawson

1568
01:26:08,947 --> 01:26:12,307
Speaker 3: with a frustrating at seventeenth in qualifying. Just up the

1569
01:26:12,387 --> 01:26:15,147
Speaker 3: road from Kutza, we go to Dubai where it was

1570
01:26:15,187 --> 01:26:17,907
Speaker 3: a tough old day for the all black sevens team New.

1571
01:26:17,867 --> 01:26:21,227
Speaker 9: Zealand looking to steal it away.

1572
01:26:21,267 --> 01:26:24,107
Speaker 17: We've said so many last minute winners on day.

1573
01:26:23,947 --> 01:26:26,587
Speaker 3: One here in Dubai. We're not going to get one here.

1574
01:26:27,107 --> 01:26:30,307
Speaker 19: New Zealand's way for the four world bounce and it

1575
01:26:30,347 --> 01:26:32,867
Speaker 19: will sit up beheadedly.

1576
01:26:32,227 --> 01:26:37,427
Speaker 20: For Felipe Sutkaranga beg win it and now New Zealand's

1577
01:26:37,427 --> 01:26:38,427
Speaker 20: face is out of their.

1578
01:26:38,267 --> 01:26:40,747
Speaker 3: Hands indeed losing to Spain, but they did get through

1579
01:26:40,787 --> 01:26:44,187
Speaker 3: to the quarterfinals and they'll play South Africa who they

1580
01:26:44,307 --> 01:26:47,187
Speaker 3: lost to of course to be knocked out of the Olympics.

1581
01:26:48,347 --> 01:26:51,307
Speaker 3: So that is overnight tonight, be hating happy and use

1582
01:26:51,587 --> 01:26:53,627
Speaker 3: the Black Fern Sevens on a bit of a roll

1583
01:26:53,947 --> 01:26:55,187
Speaker 3: to make it through to the corners.

1584
01:26:55,227 --> 01:26:58,027
Speaker 19: As this one's been plucked away by Caitlin Vaja Calo.

1585
01:26:58,387 --> 01:27:00,547
Speaker 19: She has lit up world rugby the last couple of

1586
01:27:00,627 --> 01:27:02,587
Speaker 19: years and doing it on the seven series.

1587
01:27:02,787 --> 01:27:04,027
Speaker 17: Caitlin Vaha Calo.

1588
01:27:03,867 --> 01:27:06,947
Speaker 3: Gets the dry three wins, three matches for the Black

1589
01:27:07,027 --> 01:27:09,627
Speaker 3: Fern Sevens. Let's go to the Premier League. A high

1590
01:27:09,627 --> 01:27:12,987
Speaker 3: scoring of fear between Arsenal and Wistam under.

1591
01:27:12,827 --> 01:27:16,867
Speaker 20: Kosaka by the girl kicker stuff. But it's going to

1592
01:27:16,907 --> 01:27:23,307
Speaker 20: be five two to Arsenal in all probability. The honest

1593
01:27:23,387 --> 01:27:25,987
Speaker 20: and most eye catching of halftime.

1594
01:27:25,507 --> 01:27:28,787
Speaker 3: Scores and that was how it remained five to two

1595
01:27:28,867 --> 01:27:31,827
Speaker 3: the full time score. Let's stay with the Premier League

1596
01:27:32,187 --> 01:27:34,947
Speaker 3: and another win for Nottingham Forest with the goal once

1597
01:27:35,027 --> 01:27:37,867
Speaker 3: again from our man Chris.

1598
01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:42,667
Speaker 19: Wood is record equalegue straight from Chris Wood.

1599
01:27:44,107 --> 01:27:46,307
Speaker 3: He joins Brian Lloy as.

1600
01:27:46,267 --> 01:27:49,707
Speaker 19: Nothing in Forest's most chronic Premier League goal scorer.

1601
01:27:51,027 --> 01:27:54,787
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

1602
01:27:54,907 --> 01:27:56,067
Speaker 1: weekend Sport.

1603
01:28:00,067 --> 01:28:02,867
Speaker 3: Let's talk some more football here on news Talk ZIBB.

1604
01:28:03,067 --> 01:28:08,267
Speaker 3: Manchester City on a diabolical run of form at the moment,

1605
01:28:08,347 --> 01:28:11,227
Speaker 3: quite unbelievable the run that the four time champions of

1606
01:28:11,267 --> 01:28:12,387
Speaker 3: England are currently on.

1607
01:28:12,707 --> 01:28:14,987
Speaker 20: This will be the most high catching score line right

1608
01:28:15,027 --> 01:28:21,307
Speaker 20: across Europe this weekend. And it's five, yes, five consecutive defeats.

1609
01:28:21,147 --> 01:28:24,187
Speaker 3: For the champions and that three all draw against final

1610
01:28:24,227 --> 01:28:26,747
Speaker 3: would after being three nil up as well. To add

1611
01:28:26,867 --> 01:28:30,907
Speaker 3: into the mixed legs heat across to Manchester. BBC radio

1612
01:28:31,027 --> 01:28:35,227
Speaker 3: football commentator and a reporter for Manchester City is Mike

1613
01:28:35,307 --> 01:28:38,147
Speaker 3: mc name and he joins us now on news Talks.

1614
01:28:38,187 --> 01:28:41,427
Speaker 3: He be Mike thinks so much for joining us. No problem, well,

1615
01:28:41,467 --> 01:28:44,347
Speaker 3: broad question, what on earth has gone wrong with Manchester

1616
01:28:44,387 --> 01:28:46,787
Speaker 3: City start worry if you.

1617
01:28:46,907 --> 01:28:49,667
Speaker 9: Like it is, Yeah, I mean how long does your show?

1618
01:28:51,707 --> 01:28:51,747
Speaker 18: Do?

1619
01:28:51,787 --> 01:28:52,187
Speaker 3: You know what?

1620
01:28:52,667 --> 01:28:56,747
Speaker 21: There are many many factors behind this, I think, but slowly,

1621
01:28:56,787 --> 01:29:00,667
Speaker 21: week by week we are kind of learning which factors

1622
01:29:00,707 --> 01:29:03,907
Speaker 21: are our most important. So the one that will go

1623
01:29:03,947 --> 01:29:06,547
Speaker 21: over the whole season is roder and Rodger's injury. I

1624
01:29:06,547 --> 01:29:11,427
Speaker 21: think he he is obviously a crucial player. The argument

1625
01:29:11,507 --> 01:29:13,907
Speaker 21: for him being the ball on door winner, which he was,

1626
01:29:13,907 --> 01:29:17,667
Speaker 21: was simply I think with all the other contenders, somebody

1627
01:29:17,667 --> 01:29:20,307
Speaker 21: else could do their job to a better ability or

1628
01:29:20,307 --> 01:29:23,667
Speaker 21: the similar ability. So you know, Vinicius Junior for example,

1629
01:29:23,667 --> 01:29:26,507
Speaker 21: where you could there are other wide wingers and Bape

1630
01:29:26,587 --> 01:29:29,627
Speaker 21: for example, who could possibly do a similar job. Arling

1631
01:29:29,627 --> 01:29:32,227
Speaker 21: Harland was in the contention, you can find other goal scorers.

1632
01:29:32,427 --> 01:29:36,067
Speaker 21: And with RODERI nobody can do Roger's job better than

1633
01:29:36,147 --> 01:29:39,547
Speaker 21: roder And and nobody. You know, there's not a team

1634
01:29:39,587 --> 01:29:41,987
Speaker 21: in the world that Rodri doesn't walk into. So I

1635
01:29:41,987 --> 01:29:44,027
Speaker 21: think that's that's one big factor missing him. But that

1636
01:29:44,027 --> 01:29:46,387
Speaker 21: shouldn't be the only factor. That shouldn't be an excuse

1637
01:29:46,867 --> 01:29:50,507
Speaker 21: not to win another game ever again, so I think

1638
01:29:50,707 --> 01:29:53,947
Speaker 21: within that they you then look at the number of

1639
01:29:53,947 --> 01:29:56,347
Speaker 21: injuries and I think this is quite crucial. At one point,

1640
01:29:56,427 --> 01:30:03,467
Speaker 21: Manchester City we're missing Rodrick Walker, Stones, Diaz, Docu, Grealish,

1641
01:30:03,827 --> 01:30:06,827
Speaker 21: I've missed a Kokovacic. If you if you look at that,

1642
01:30:07,787 --> 01:30:11,547
Speaker 21: I think there's an obvious you know, any team that's

1643
01:30:11,587 --> 01:30:14,587
Speaker 21: missing eight first team members would would struggle, and that

1644
01:30:14,627 --> 01:30:16,347
Speaker 21: has happened to Manchester do they are getting some of

1645
01:30:16,387 --> 01:30:19,667
Speaker 21: those backs. So when I said that, we're learning, you know,

1646
01:30:19,707 --> 01:30:21,907
Speaker 21: perhaps how important each factor is. If we're gonna look

1647
01:30:21,907 --> 01:30:24,787
Speaker 21: at injuries, we're starting to learn just how important that's been.

1648
01:30:25,027 --> 01:30:27,827
Speaker 21: If results pick up when injuries come back, then then

1649
01:30:27,827 --> 01:30:30,387
Speaker 21: we can say that is ultimately the biggest factor. I

1650
01:30:30,387 --> 01:30:32,467
Speaker 21: think one of them was Pep Guardiola's contract, but that's

1651
01:30:32,507 --> 01:30:34,427
Speaker 21: now been sorted. We know he's got two more years

1652
01:30:35,107 --> 01:30:38,147
Speaker 21: and they're still losing, so maybe it isn't the biggest factor.

1653
01:30:39,227 --> 01:30:42,147
Speaker 21: And finally is I think the other one to look

1654
01:30:42,187 --> 01:30:45,387
Speaker 21: at is possibly an aging squad. So you've got Ilkai

1655
01:30:45,427 --> 01:30:48,187
Speaker 21: Gunder and his back after a year out, and it's

1656
01:30:48,227 --> 01:30:50,907
Speaker 21: amazing almost what a year out can do. I think

1657
01:30:50,987 --> 01:30:54,267
Speaker 21: he doesn't quite look as on it or as sharp

1658
01:30:54,547 --> 01:30:58,107
Speaker 21: as he did in twenty twenty three when he left.

1659
01:30:58,187 --> 01:31:00,027
Speaker 21: Is the trouble winning captain. I think the other ones

1660
01:31:00,027 --> 01:31:02,107
Speaker 21: to keep an eye on is Kyle Walker, who used

1661
01:31:02,107 --> 01:31:04,587
Speaker 21: to be able to give attackers ten yards and still

1662
01:31:04,627 --> 01:31:07,307
Speaker 21: make that back when defending. I don't think he's quite

1663
01:31:07,307 --> 01:31:08,907
Speaker 21: got that now. I think he's lost a little bit

1664
01:31:08,947 --> 01:31:10,827
Speaker 21: of that pace, whether he accepts it or not. So

1665
01:31:10,947 --> 01:31:14,747
Speaker 21: I think, overall, very long winded answer. I appreciate when

1666
01:31:14,747 --> 01:31:17,987
Speaker 21: you combine all those factors, there is an issue in

1667
01:31:17,987 --> 01:31:22,387
Speaker 21: Manchester City that they're all combining together. And confidence is

1668
01:31:22,427 --> 01:31:24,507
Speaker 21: such a fragile thing. So when one of those things

1669
01:31:24,507 --> 01:31:26,787
Speaker 21: starts to go wrong and the results start to turn,

1670
01:31:27,347 --> 01:31:29,027
Speaker 21: then it starts to have a knock on effects. And

1671
01:31:29,067 --> 01:31:31,947
Speaker 21: we've seen that with the five straight defeats. I think

1672
01:31:31,947 --> 01:31:34,547
Speaker 21: we saw it in midweek against fire Ord in the

1673
01:31:34,627 --> 01:31:37,867
Speaker 21: Champions League in that from three nil up City a

1674
01:31:37,907 --> 01:31:39,947
Speaker 21: year ago would not have thrown that away. And people

1675
01:31:40,027 --> 01:31:42,267
Speaker 21: have looked at the changes Pep Guardiola made that night,

1676
01:31:42,947 --> 01:31:45,027
Speaker 21: and he'd have made those changes a year ago and

1677
01:31:45,427 --> 01:31:48,307
Speaker 21: it wouldn't have it wouldn't have had an impact and

1678
01:31:48,587 --> 01:31:49,987
Speaker 21: they'd have won the game three nil. They might not

1679
01:31:50,027 --> 01:31:51,547
Speaker 21: have got a fourth, but they'd have won three nil.

1680
01:31:51,867 --> 01:31:53,747
Speaker 21: But I think soon as that goal went in. You

1681
01:31:53,907 --> 01:31:57,387
Speaker 21: had a slightly put together side, a tired side, but

1682
01:31:57,507 --> 01:32:01,227
Speaker 21: an inexperienced side in some of the positions, and you

1683
01:32:01,507 --> 01:32:03,347
Speaker 21: just for the first time in a long time, felt

1684
01:32:03,387 --> 01:32:05,827
Speaker 21: that actually three to one meant the game wasn't done

1685
01:32:06,067 --> 01:32:09,427
Speaker 21: as it wasn't it wasn't done. So yeah, a lot

1686
01:32:09,427 --> 01:32:13,027
Speaker 21: of factors. It's certainly made it an interesting talking point

1687
01:32:13,027 --> 01:32:15,027
Speaker 21: for a club that actually over the past few years

1688
01:32:15,027 --> 01:32:17,787
Speaker 21: have been pretty boring to talk about because they're winning

1689
01:32:17,787 --> 01:32:20,107
Speaker 21: all the time. So now we've got something new to

1690
01:32:20,187 --> 01:32:20,707
Speaker 21: talk about.

1691
01:32:20,827 --> 01:32:25,947
Speaker 3: Certainly, how is Pitt Guardile handling this run of defeats

1692
01:32:26,027 --> 01:32:28,827
Speaker 3: or six games without a win, because he wouldn't have

1693
01:32:29,027 --> 01:32:32,907
Speaker 3: had this in his entire managerial career to this point,

1694
01:32:32,907 --> 01:32:37,387
Speaker 3: As you mentioned Manchester's he accustomed to sixties. But some

1695
01:32:37,427 --> 01:32:40,987
Speaker 3: of those issues you mentioned there are compelling factors behind it.

1696
01:32:41,027 --> 01:32:43,267
Speaker 3: But how's Pitt Guardy handling.

1697
01:32:42,947 --> 01:32:43,227
Speaker 12: All this.

1698
01:32:44,987 --> 01:32:46,547
Speaker 9: With steely determination?

1699
01:32:46,827 --> 01:32:49,547
Speaker 21: He is now repeating a lot in his press conferences

1700
01:32:49,547 --> 01:32:53,867
Speaker 21: that he's here, that he wants the challenge, that he

1701
01:32:53,867 --> 01:32:54,387
Speaker 21: he's up.

1702
01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:54,867
Speaker 3: For the fight.

1703
01:32:55,347 --> 01:32:57,307
Speaker 21: You know, he wants to find new ways.

1704
01:32:57,347 --> 01:32:58,067
Speaker 3: That is his job.

1705
01:32:58,107 --> 01:33:03,027
Speaker 21: He realizes that he keeps sometimes referencing twenty sixteen in

1706
01:33:03,187 --> 01:33:06,907
Speaker 21: that when he first came to the club was written

1707
01:33:06,947 --> 01:33:09,987
Speaker 21: off in the first season was a failure. Could he

1708
01:33:10,027 --> 01:33:12,987
Speaker 21: crack the Premier League? And he's certainly in the other

1709
01:33:13,147 --> 01:33:15,347
Speaker 21: seven years eight years he's been here has shown as

1710
01:33:16,107 --> 01:33:19,547
Speaker 21: that he most perfectly can't, you know, find the solutions

1711
01:33:19,587 --> 01:33:21,587
Speaker 21: and he keeps changing his taxics. It's not the same

1712
01:33:21,587 --> 01:33:23,867
Speaker 21: Manchester City style that was there in twenty seventeen. The

1713
01:33:23,867 --> 01:33:27,107
Speaker 21: core basics are the same, but there's other little methods

1714
01:33:27,147 --> 01:33:30,227
Speaker 21: around it and intricacies that he's worked on. So this

1715
01:33:30,347 --> 01:33:33,067
Speaker 21: is just the latest challenging. He has said that he

1716
01:33:33,107 --> 01:33:35,387
Speaker 21: said to the board with his contract that give me

1717
01:33:35,467 --> 01:33:38,987
Speaker 21: the chance, let me turn this around, let me find

1718
01:33:39,027 --> 01:33:41,387
Speaker 21: the next solution. So he's yeah, he's certainly ready for

1719
01:33:41,427 --> 01:33:41,787
Speaker 21: the fight.

1720
01:33:42,147 --> 01:33:46,387
Speaker 3: The fan base his were touched on have had some success.

1721
01:33:46,427 --> 01:33:50,027
Speaker 3: They often coming for criticism. The Manchester City fan base

1722
01:33:50,347 --> 01:33:52,507
Speaker 3: in the one that sort of swelled in recent times

1723
01:33:52,667 --> 01:33:55,427
Speaker 3: is the success has gone on. But you know what,

1724
01:33:55,667 --> 01:33:58,107
Speaker 3: they're not banging for blood of pic Guardiola, are they?

1725
01:33:59,547 --> 01:33:59,707
Speaker 1: No?

1726
01:33:59,787 --> 01:34:00,187
Speaker 9: Not yet.

1727
01:34:02,307 --> 01:34:04,547
Speaker 21: I think that there is a portion of the fans

1728
01:34:04,547 --> 01:34:07,187
Speaker 21: base that have only known success or. I think there

1729
01:34:07,187 --> 01:34:09,467
Speaker 21: are some that have sadly just got used to the success.

1730
01:34:09,507 --> 01:34:13,187
Speaker 21: So any dipping standards, You know, no side is going

1731
01:34:13,227 --> 01:34:15,667
Speaker 21: to win every title every year forever, and I think

1732
01:34:15,667 --> 01:34:20,427
Speaker 21: anything below first place in Manchester City is a disappointment,

1733
01:34:20,627 --> 01:34:24,267
Speaker 21: but a lot of a patient and a lot of

1734
01:34:24,267 --> 01:34:26,947
Speaker 21: appreciate what they've done for Premier League titles in a row,

1735
01:34:27,267 --> 01:34:30,347
Speaker 21: something that no other side's done before. So I think, yeah,

1736
01:34:30,827 --> 01:34:33,187
Speaker 21: he's got a lot of credit in the bank. Pep Guardiola.

1737
01:34:33,667 --> 01:34:35,227
Speaker 21: There was a joke going around our office the other

1738
01:34:35,307 --> 01:34:37,547
Speaker 21: day just how many more would they have to lose

1739
01:34:37,627 --> 01:34:40,827
Speaker 21: before he before he lost his job, But the conclusion

1740
01:34:40,987 --> 01:34:43,507
Speaker 21: was still they are, you know, a long way off

1741
01:34:43,667 --> 01:34:45,027
Speaker 21: even contemplating that.

1742
01:34:45,107 --> 01:34:47,507
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't get any easy. At five am tomorrow morning,

1743
01:34:47,507 --> 01:34:51,067
Speaker 3: New Zealand time Liverpool at Enfield, and then you've got

1744
01:34:51,107 --> 01:34:54,707
Speaker 3: Nottingham Forest featuring New Zealand goal scoring machine Chris would

1745
01:34:54,707 --> 01:34:57,307
Speaker 3: to face off against later in the week. So look,

1746
01:34:57,387 --> 01:35:00,747
Speaker 3: a couple of trickier fears for Manchester City to navigate

1747
01:35:00,827 --> 01:35:02,987
Speaker 3: over the coming days as well. Really tough ass when

1748
01:35:02,987 --> 01:35:05,267
Speaker 3: you haven't won in eat in the last six.

1749
01:35:06,427 --> 01:35:09,307
Speaker 21: Yeah, well, let's quickly just touch on Forrest at home.

1750
01:35:09,347 --> 01:35:12,027
Speaker 21: You had backed Manchester City to win the game and

1751
01:35:12,307 --> 01:35:15,467
Speaker 21: Forest wouldn't have been in contention. However, with Spurs winning

1752
01:35:15,787 --> 01:35:17,347
Speaker 21: at thet he had the first team to do so

1753
01:35:17,387 --> 01:35:20,627
Speaker 21: in two years. Then suddenly that changes things and as

1754
01:35:20,627 --> 01:35:22,747
Speaker 21: you say, yeah, Chris Wood is certainly going to be

1755
01:35:22,747 --> 01:35:25,147
Speaker 21: a handful. It'll be interesting to see what defenders are

1756
01:35:25,187 --> 01:35:29,747
Speaker 21: around then to handle. Chris Wood bought the bigger game,

1757
01:35:29,827 --> 01:35:33,307
Speaker 21: the most important game. Let's not beat around the bush.

1758
01:35:33,427 --> 01:35:36,547
Speaker 21: Let's call it a title deciding game or title race

1759
01:35:36,627 --> 01:35:38,667
Speaker 21: deciding to see if Manchester City are perhaps still in

1760
01:35:38,707 --> 01:35:39,307
Speaker 21: the races?

1761
01:35:39,867 --> 01:35:41,267
Speaker 3: Is it Liverpool.

1762
01:35:41,627 --> 01:35:45,907
Speaker 21: It's at Anfield, a ground that Manchester City notoriously struggle out.

1763
01:35:45,947 --> 01:35:49,427
Speaker 21: They've had two wins there since two thousand and three.

1764
01:35:49,547 --> 01:35:51,747
Speaker 21: One of those was behind closed doors in COVID that

1765
01:35:51,827 --> 01:35:53,707
Speaker 21: the other victory in two thousand and three was the

1766
01:35:53,787 --> 01:35:57,267
Speaker 21: last time City won there. With fans, they don't particularly

1767
01:35:57,387 --> 01:36:00,667
Speaker 21: enjoy going to Anfield. They've had some really rough experiences there.

1768
01:36:00,667 --> 01:36:02,827
Speaker 21: They've got to draw there last year. Johnstone's open the

1769
01:36:02,827 --> 01:36:06,107
Speaker 21: score in McAllister equalize. But this is a Liverpool side,

1770
01:36:07,067 --> 01:36:10,427
Speaker 21: despite the questions over him. With Jurgen Klop departing, actually

1771
01:36:10,427 --> 01:36:13,347
Speaker 21: have had the second best start in Premier League history.

1772
01:36:13,427 --> 01:36:15,987
Speaker 21: They are. They're a ruthless machine at the minute. They

1773
01:36:16,067 --> 01:36:20,227
Speaker 21: beat the European champions Real Madrid on Wednesday night and

1774
01:36:20,307 --> 01:36:24,107
Speaker 21: Anfield as well. So I think most important for Manchester

1775
01:36:24,187 --> 01:36:26,707
Speaker 21: City is to get the first goal. If Liverpool get

1776
01:36:26,747 --> 01:36:30,307
Speaker 21: the first goal, I fear where Citi's heads will be

1777
01:36:30,387 --> 01:36:33,587
Speaker 21: at Anfield will be baying for blood and there's a

1778
01:36:33,667 --> 01:36:36,027
Speaker 21: danger I think that, you know, Liverpool could could.

1779
01:36:35,947 --> 01:36:36,667
Speaker 9: Run away with it.

1780
01:36:37,067 --> 01:36:39,907
Speaker 21: Eleven points if Liverpool win is the gap. I think

1781
01:36:39,947 --> 01:36:42,587
Speaker 21: that's too insurmountable for Manchester City, even at this early

1782
01:36:42,627 --> 01:36:43,387
Speaker 21: point in the season.

1783
01:36:43,867 --> 01:36:45,667
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Mike Mana great to check with

1784
01:36:45,747 --> 01:36:48,507
Speaker 3: you on news talk z be this afternoon BBC Radio

1785
01:36:48,667 --> 01:36:51,427
Speaker 3: Manchester commentator and reporter. You say a game five a

1786
01:36:51,547 --> 01:36:54,867
Speaker 3: him tomorrow and morning we have Manchester City gone wrong.

1787
01:36:56,587 --> 01:37:00,307
Speaker 3: I li if the country for five weeks and returned

1788
01:37:00,347 --> 01:37:01,867
Speaker 3: and they haven't won a single game in that time.

1789
01:37:03,907 --> 01:37:06,827
Speaker 3: Liverpool fans, you must be absolutely locking you all lips

1790
01:37:07,827 --> 01:37:12,827
Speaker 3: at the prospect of facing Manchester City at Anfield and

1791
01:37:12,867 --> 01:37:17,187
Speaker 3: the lines Den tomorrow morning. For a text or one

1792
01:37:17,227 --> 01:37:18,587
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eight if you've got a thought

1793
01:37:18,587 --> 01:37:23,027
Speaker 3: on that, have to hear from you football fans very shortly.

1794
01:37:23,107 --> 01:37:26,547
Speaker 3: We'll check it on Auckland EFC as well. Get some

1795
01:37:26,547 --> 01:37:32,067
Speaker 3: thoughts from Jacob Spoonley on how they have tracked through

1796
01:37:32,107 --> 01:37:35,907
Speaker 3: the opening five games of the season. Fifteen points in

1797
01:37:35,987 --> 01:37:41,307
Speaker 3: the bag for Auckland FC this season. England must have

1798
01:37:41,347 --> 01:37:45,787
Speaker 3: a late tea time. I'm guessing having the booked out

1799
01:37:45,787 --> 01:37:53,027
Speaker 3: at clear Water, Roussly, Pegasus, maybe Shirley somewhere in christ Church.

1800
01:37:53,747 --> 01:37:57,547
Speaker 3: Feels like they've got something on this afternoon. This England team.

1801
01:37:58,827 --> 01:38:01,227
Speaker 3: I think in the time we spoke with Mike, they've

1802
01:38:01,267 --> 01:38:05,227
Speaker 3: added forty runs and this Test is going to be

1803
01:38:05,227 --> 01:38:13,387
Speaker 3: over relatively quickly. I suspect fifty five for one England

1804
01:38:14,587 --> 01:38:17,307
Speaker 3: six point five overs down. They need forty nine more

1805
01:38:17,387 --> 01:38:21,107
Speaker 3: runs to win. Nathan Smith's first over with the ball

1806
01:38:21,147 --> 01:38:23,907
Speaker 3: has yet to be complete. It is now complete. He

1807
01:38:23,947 --> 01:38:29,747
Speaker 3: has gone for sixteen runs. We'll check in with Andrew

1808
01:38:29,827 --> 01:38:33,227
Speaker 3: Ordison later in the hour. We might indeed be wrapping

1809
01:38:33,307 --> 01:38:36,987
Speaker 3: up a Test match if England continue at this rate

1810
01:38:37,027 --> 01:38:39,107
Speaker 3: of knots text line open or anything you want to

1811
01:38:39,147 --> 01:38:43,707
Speaker 3: get stuck into nine two nine two the number. I

1812
01:38:43,707 --> 01:38:45,867
Speaker 3: think we can probably start talking about some changes to

1813
01:38:45,867 --> 01:38:47,467
Speaker 3: the black Caps as well if you want to do that,

1814
01:38:47,547 --> 01:38:51,947
Speaker 3: because barring nine wickets of forty nine, they're going to

1815
01:38:51,987 --> 01:38:54,307
Speaker 3: be one nil down in a matter of time. Twenty

1816
01:38:54,347 --> 01:38:56,707
Speaker 3: two after two on Newstalk ZI be back with more.

1817
01:38:56,587 --> 01:39:00,627
Speaker 1: After this it's more than just a game weekends for

1818
01:39:01,067 --> 01:39:04,987
Speaker 1: with GJ Gunnos, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News

1819
01:39:04,987 --> 01:39:05,547
Speaker 1: Talk MB.

1820
01:39:06,707 --> 01:39:09,627
Speaker 3: Twenty five after two on news TALKSZBA. The black Caps

1821
01:39:09,667 --> 01:39:11,307
Speaker 3: have nabbed another at Hagleygoval.

1822
01:39:12,747 --> 01:39:17,467
Speaker 22: This is ramped down to Cord duck It on his

1823
01:39:17,587 --> 01:39:22,667
Speaker 22: way and a row his first delivery in the second

1824
01:39:22,667 --> 01:39:25,907
Speaker 22: and ends he gets to work it. Ducket gave himself

1825
01:39:26,027 --> 01:39:29,507
Speaker 22: him outside the legs something just ramped it straight to

1826
01:39:29,627 --> 01:39:30,787
Speaker 22: the man at third.

1827
01:39:30,547 --> 01:39:33,267
Speaker 3: Man England now fifty nine for so they need forty

1828
01:39:33,347 --> 01:39:35,027
Speaker 3: five to win. Route the new man at the crease

1829
01:39:35,067 --> 01:39:37,427
Speaker 3: and he's just banged a four. Let's go back to

1830
01:39:37,507 --> 01:39:41,707
Speaker 3: talking football on News Talk z Beep searching for the

1831
01:39:41,827 --> 01:39:43,067
Speaker 3: goal to break the deadlock.

1832
01:39:44,067 --> 01:39:56,467
Speaker 23: Degrees He's crown of the barn man is no man,

1833
01:39:58,387 --> 01:40:05,107
Speaker 23: Nana No, We're a finished having quality to what.

1834
01:40:05,147 --> 01:40:08,067
Speaker 3: Was against the Newcastle Jets yesterday Mount Smart Stadium Court

1835
01:40:08,107 --> 01:40:11,427
Speaker 3: in the game for Sky was from raw White Jacob Spoonley.

1836
01:40:11,467 --> 01:40:14,147
Speaker 3: He joins us now on newstalk zem B. Good afternoon, Jacob,

1837
01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:18,547
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Elliott. Look all my time's coming on this

1838
01:40:18,707 --> 01:40:22,027
Speaker 3: wonderful show. Today feels different. I don't want to say

1839
01:40:22,107 --> 01:40:25,467
Speaker 3: dear to Elliott, but it's hitting that way. I can't

1840
01:40:25,467 --> 01:40:27,547
Speaker 3: put my finger on what exactly it is though, mate.

1841
01:40:27,627 --> 01:40:29,467
Speaker 3: Oh look I can't put my finger on it either,

1842
01:40:29,507 --> 01:40:33,307
Speaker 3: But let's let's see what we can do in this chat.

1843
01:40:33,347 --> 01:40:35,947
Speaker 3: Five in a row. Who would have picked that, Jacob?

1844
01:40:36,187 --> 01:40:39,307
Speaker 3: I mean, what world would you have expected an expansion

1845
01:40:39,347 --> 01:40:41,867
Speaker 3: team to bank fifteen points from their first five games.

1846
01:40:43,267 --> 01:40:47,627
Speaker 7: It is absolutely remarkable, Elliott. But I think it is

1847
01:40:47,667 --> 01:40:51,547
Speaker 7: an indication as to the quiet work gets gone on

1848
01:40:51,987 --> 01:40:54,827
Speaker 7: in football over the last ten years. The player development

1849
01:40:54,867 --> 01:40:57,027
Speaker 7: side of things has been there, and we know we've

1850
01:40:57,027 --> 01:41:01,347
Speaker 7: got this young cohort coming through. We also know that

1851
01:41:01,387 --> 01:41:06,107
Speaker 7: we've been underrepresented in the A leagues as kiwis Awkland

1852
01:41:06,507 --> 01:41:11,307
Speaker 7: this wonderfully wonderful sporting market. It seems that we've got

1853
01:41:11,307 --> 01:41:13,787
Speaker 7: a confluence of all those things and they've come together

1854
01:41:13,867 --> 01:41:17,267
Speaker 7: perfectly so that we've got this Auckland FC team that

1855
01:41:17,307 --> 01:41:21,267
Speaker 7: has not only been great Elliott, but is historically great.

1856
01:41:21,347 --> 01:41:25,067
Speaker 7: They have surpassed so many records now and the one

1857
01:41:25,107 --> 01:41:28,627
Speaker 7: that is really remarkable is last night they brought they

1858
01:41:28,827 --> 01:41:32,507
Speaker 7: broke a forty seven year old record that has stood

1859
01:41:32,547 --> 01:41:37,347
Speaker 7: since nineteen seventy seven and that belonged to Western Suburbs

1860
01:41:37,507 --> 01:41:42,467
Speaker 7: in Sydney. So Auckland has now bone the longest without

1861
01:41:42,507 --> 01:41:45,787
Speaker 7: conceding a goal as they've joined the top tier in

1862
01:41:45,827 --> 01:41:46,907
Speaker 7: the Australian competition.

1863
01:41:47,267 --> 01:41:49,787
Speaker 3: It's remarkable, isn't it. I mean, how have they done

1864
01:41:49,827 --> 01:41:53,507
Speaker 3: it on the park? You mentioned that defensive stat there.

1865
01:41:53,547 --> 01:41:56,547
Speaker 3: They've obviously banged on goals at the other end as well.

1866
01:41:56,587 --> 01:41:59,907
Speaker 3: But it seems like the whole team is in sync

1867
01:41:59,947 --> 01:42:02,547
Speaker 3: at this point of the season, which is remarkable given

1868
01:42:02,707 --> 01:42:05,867
Speaker 3: how late some players come in to the A League.

1869
01:42:05,867 --> 01:42:07,507
Speaker 3: It just seems like everything has clicked.

1870
01:42:08,987 --> 01:42:10,547
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think one of the things that is

1871
01:42:10,587 --> 01:42:14,227
Speaker 7: overlooked is that there's the key we contingent the fact

1872
01:42:14,227 --> 01:42:16,947
Speaker 7: that this team is built on a foundation of local players.

1873
01:42:16,987 --> 01:42:20,227
Speaker 7: So if we look at the squad, there's eighteen New

1874
01:42:20,307 --> 01:42:24,907
Speaker 7: Zealanders in this team. That is absolutely stark contrasts to

1875
01:42:25,067 --> 01:42:26,987
Speaker 7: what we had with the Knights. And also I think

1876
01:42:27,027 --> 01:42:29,627
Speaker 7: with the Kings as well. Elliott of the eighteen and

1877
01:42:29,667 --> 01:42:32,427
Speaker 7: the squad eleven have seen game time this season, and

1878
01:42:32,467 --> 01:42:34,907
Speaker 7: there were eight New Zealanders that were on the field yesterday.

1879
01:42:34,947 --> 01:42:37,547
Speaker 7: So these are all players that have grown up together.

1880
01:42:37,547 --> 01:42:39,747
Speaker 7: They're not familiar to the audience, but they are familiar

1881
01:42:39,787 --> 01:42:43,747
Speaker 7: with each other. You then compliment that with a coach

1882
01:42:43,827 --> 01:42:47,787
Speaker 7: that has won numerous titles, both championships and then also

1883
01:42:47,867 --> 01:42:51,667
Speaker 7: playoffs in the A League and Steve Coriker, Terry mcflynn

1884
01:42:51,987 --> 01:42:54,227
Speaker 7: the director of football. He's somebody that knows this league

1885
01:42:54,227 --> 01:42:57,707
Speaker 7: inside out, both as a player and then as an administrator.

1886
01:42:58,987 --> 01:43:02,827
Speaker 7: And you add on to that as the last factor.

1887
01:43:03,227 --> 01:43:07,267
Speaker 7: They're well resourced and highly motivated ownership group that is

1888
01:43:07,307 --> 01:43:10,907
Speaker 7: expanding at this point in time, obviously led by Bill Foley,

1889
01:43:10,947 --> 01:43:15,187
Speaker 7: but then and Immobra, Ali Williams, Tim Brown, Winston read.

1890
01:43:15,627 --> 01:43:18,507
Speaker 7: These are all people that are very passionate about football,

1891
01:43:18,907 --> 01:43:22,267
Speaker 7: and at the moment the alchemy is beautifully balanced.

1892
01:43:22,867 --> 01:43:24,427
Speaker 3: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but

1893
01:43:24,467 --> 01:43:27,547
Speaker 3: they seem to have scored a lot of their goals lakes.

1894
01:43:27,587 --> 01:43:30,387
Speaker 3: I mean, that's in itself quite remarkable, isn't it.

1895
01:43:30,667 --> 01:43:32,507
Speaker 7: Elliott, I have the numbers.

1896
01:43:34,267 --> 01:43:35,867
Speaker 3: That's why it's brilliance.

1897
01:43:37,867 --> 01:43:40,467
Speaker 7: Look, the one thing, the one criticism that can be

1898
01:43:42,547 --> 01:43:44,707
Speaker 7: made of the team is that they haven't gone ahead

1899
01:43:44,787 --> 01:43:48,267
Speaker 7: necessarily early Elliott, so they were crossly get last night.

1900
01:43:48,267 --> 01:43:53,067
Speaker 7: They were wonderful chances to haul Brimmer and my but

1901
01:43:53,307 --> 01:43:55,667
Speaker 7: they did persevere and they have done throughout the course

1902
01:43:55,707 --> 01:43:57,667
Speaker 7: of their five games so far. So six of the

1903
01:43:57,707 --> 01:44:00,667
Speaker 7: eight goals that they have scored have come after the

1904
01:44:00,667 --> 01:44:03,227
Speaker 7: seventy five minute marks on the last stanze of the game.

1905
01:44:03,707 --> 01:44:05,587
Speaker 7: But the remarkable thing, and this is where I think

1906
01:44:05,587 --> 01:44:09,587
Speaker 7: you're getting to, is that they've scored three times beyond

1907
01:44:09,587 --> 01:44:12,827
Speaker 7: the ninety. And as Steve Parker said last night, although

1908
01:44:12,827 --> 01:44:14,867
Speaker 7: he wants improvement and he doesn't want the kind of

1909
01:44:15,747 --> 01:44:20,787
Speaker 7: heart attack kids giving them that each week, the character

1910
01:44:20,827 --> 01:44:24,747
Speaker 7: that this team has demonstrated and the togetherness that they

1911
01:44:24,787 --> 01:44:27,867
Speaker 7: have been able to put and so into each ninety

1912
01:44:28,347 --> 01:44:31,427
Speaker 7: is the thing that is probably the most promising as

1913
01:44:31,507 --> 01:44:33,547
Speaker 7: we see them really start to get into the grind

1914
01:44:33,587 --> 01:44:34,547
Speaker 7: of the A League season.

1915
01:44:34,867 --> 01:44:36,827
Speaker 3: It's interesting what you mentioned about that the foundations for

1916
01:44:36,867 --> 01:44:38,947
Speaker 3: this club off the field as well and the ownership,

1917
01:44:38,947 --> 01:44:41,707
Speaker 3: Because I've just come back from five weeks abroad following

1918
01:44:41,787 --> 01:44:44,307
Speaker 3: Rugby and come back to an Auckland city where there

1919
01:44:44,307 --> 01:44:47,947
Speaker 3: are people on Queen Street wearing Auckland IFC jumpers. Yesterday

1920
01:44:47,987 --> 01:44:50,147
Speaker 3: I saw them going to the game. But on Thursday,

1921
01:44:50,147 --> 01:44:52,707
Speaker 3: Friday and the lead up as well, Auckland if season

1922
01:44:52,707 --> 01:44:54,827
Speaker 3: now got a coffee shop, they've got a couple of bars.

1923
01:44:54,827 --> 01:44:57,667
Speaker 3: It seems like in the space of about five weeks

1924
01:44:58,107 --> 01:45:00,507
Speaker 3: the city's got a little bit football mad.

1925
01:45:02,667 --> 01:45:05,187
Speaker 7: And the thing that I think people need to be

1926
01:45:05,267 --> 01:45:07,387
Speaker 7: mindful of is that we've got that direct pathway into

1927
01:45:07,387 --> 01:45:10,067
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty six World Cup, so I think we

1928
01:45:10,147 --> 01:45:14,147
Speaker 7: have the ability to turn it up to eleven as well, Elliott.

1929
01:45:15,507 --> 01:45:18,267
Speaker 7: But the important part of this is that Auckland has

1930
01:45:18,307 --> 01:45:22,267
Speaker 7: always been a footballing city. We've got wonderful clubs on

1931
01:45:22,347 --> 01:45:25,667
Speaker 7: the north, the west, the South and the east of Auckland.

1932
01:45:26,547 --> 01:45:28,827
Speaker 7: What we needed is a unify and I think in

1933
01:45:28,867 --> 01:45:31,387
Speaker 7: the blue and the Black and the A League representation

1934
01:45:31,947 --> 01:45:35,587
Speaker 7: and being part of the conversation alongside the likes of

1935
01:45:35,627 --> 01:45:39,867
Speaker 7: Melbourne and Sydney, we've got a shirt that people can

1936
01:45:39,907 --> 01:45:40,507
Speaker 7: get behind.

1937
01:45:40,507 --> 01:45:40,787
Speaker 11: Now.

1938
01:45:41,507 --> 01:45:45,267
Speaker 7: I think people were absolutely frothing for this. They wanted it.

1939
01:45:45,267 --> 01:45:46,987
Speaker 7: It was just a case of giving it to them

1940
01:45:46,987 --> 01:45:48,707
Speaker 7: and making sure that it was executed in a way

1941
01:45:48,707 --> 01:45:51,747
Speaker 7: that reflected Auckland, because at the end of the day,

1942
01:45:51,827 --> 01:45:54,227
Speaker 7: that's what a football club is, Elliott. It is a

1943
01:45:54,427 --> 01:45:57,587
Speaker 7: representation of the community. It is part of the tapestry.

1944
01:45:57,907 --> 01:46:00,827
Speaker 7: And when you think about the big pubs in the UK,

1945
01:46:00,907 --> 01:46:03,907
Speaker 7: because that's always our reference point for a lot of Parkier,

1946
01:46:04,427 --> 01:46:07,907
Speaker 7: the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, they've got

1947
01:46:07,947 --> 01:46:11,467
Speaker 7: histories that extend beyond one hundred years. What Auckland needed

1948
01:46:11,507 --> 01:46:14,907
Speaker 7: to do is hit the accelerator and get that awareness,

1949
01:46:15,267 --> 01:46:17,827
Speaker 7: get that feeling that they're part of the furniture of

1950
01:46:17,867 --> 01:46:20,147
Speaker 7: the city and they needed to do that quickly and

1951
01:46:20,187 --> 01:46:22,427
Speaker 7: I think in a lot of respects they have done that, mate.

1952
01:46:22,467 --> 01:46:25,107
Speaker 7: And then your company that of course with the slide

1953
01:46:25,467 --> 01:46:29,387
Speaker 7: at the ground, Elliott and I'm not sure if you're aware,

1954
01:46:29,467 --> 01:46:32,707
Speaker 7: but I Jason pine owes me a trip down that

1955
01:46:32,747 --> 01:46:34,387
Speaker 7: slide at some point, Well.

1956
01:46:34,267 --> 01:46:35,987
Speaker 3: Can we make it next weekend of the derby. That

1957
01:46:35,987 --> 01:46:37,547
Speaker 3: would really cap things off, wouldn't it.

1958
01:46:38,467 --> 01:46:41,667
Speaker 7: If you want to put it out there that if

1959
01:46:41,707 --> 01:46:44,987
Speaker 7: Wellington wins, I'll go down the slide and if Auckland wins,

1960
01:46:44,987 --> 01:46:48,067
Speaker 7: Pineing's going to be at the top of the south

1961
01:46:48,187 --> 01:46:51,587
Speaker 7: the north end of Mount Smart Stadium. I'm all for that, Elliott. Well,

1962
01:46:51,787 --> 01:46:54,747
Speaker 7: I am feeling people were promised that I.

1963
01:46:54,707 --> 01:46:56,987
Speaker 3: Am feeling it on the show, so I guess I'm

1964
01:46:57,027 --> 01:46:59,787
Speaker 3: sort of a surrogate in some ways, so I'll accept

1965
01:46:59,787 --> 01:47:00,627
Speaker 3: that on his behalf.

1966
01:47:01,547 --> 01:47:05,227
Speaker 7: Oh fantastic, mate. But look, that's the weekend that we've

1967
01:47:05,227 --> 01:47:08,987
Speaker 7: got coming up, Elliott. We've had the first iteration, We've

1968
01:47:09,027 --> 01:47:12,867
Speaker 7: now got the second coming of the derby. They haven't

1969
01:47:12,867 --> 01:47:15,027
Speaker 7: confirmed it yet, but the whispers are that they have

1970
01:47:15,147 --> 01:47:17,827
Speaker 7: sold out of tickets, and they did so two weeks ago.

1971
01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:20,787
Speaker 7: So Auckland Sea not only performing on the field, but

1972
01:47:20,907 --> 01:47:24,187
Speaker 7: definitely putting investment off the field. And the thing that

1973
01:47:24,227 --> 01:47:27,147
Speaker 7: we've already got to manage is the influence of the

1974
01:47:27,187 --> 01:47:29,667
Speaker 7: man that you are filling in for the Valentonians, the

1975
01:47:29,667 --> 01:47:32,667
Speaker 7: ones that are heading north to be part of Go Media.

1976
01:47:32,707 --> 01:47:36,707
Speaker 7: Mount Smart Yellow Fever, around about one thousand will show

1977
01:47:36,787 --> 01:47:40,187
Speaker 7: up to Mount Spark Stadium next weekend and we'll get

1978
01:47:40,187 --> 01:47:43,067
Speaker 7: to see not only the fireworks on the field, but

1979
01:47:43,267 --> 01:47:46,707
Speaker 7: also the port and Yellow Fever going back and forth

1980
01:47:46,747 --> 01:47:50,307
Speaker 7: at each other, because that is the thing that separates

1981
01:47:50,347 --> 01:47:53,827
Speaker 7: football from everything else in this country is that wonderful vibrancy,

1982
01:47:53,907 --> 01:47:58,827
Speaker 7: the color, the noise, the chance, the enthusiasm, the expression

1983
01:47:59,027 --> 01:48:01,587
Speaker 7: of your city. And that is the one thing that

1984
01:48:01,627 --> 01:48:04,067
Speaker 7: I'm absolutely pumped for next weekend.

1985
01:48:04,147 --> 01:48:05,787
Speaker 3: Well I was thinking about that yesterday because we've had

1986
01:48:05,787 --> 01:48:08,587
Speaker 3: big football matches that the World Cup qualifiers and everything

1987
01:48:08,627 --> 01:48:11,347
Speaker 3: like that, but to have a domestic derby where these

1988
01:48:11,347 --> 01:48:13,307
Speaker 3: two teams are going at it is something that we

1989
01:48:13,387 --> 01:48:16,747
Speaker 3: haven't had on this scale before in New Zealand. Obviously

1990
01:48:16,787 --> 01:48:18,587
Speaker 3: there's been one already this season, but in terms of

1991
01:48:18,627 --> 01:48:23,547
Speaker 3: having this rivalry, it hasn't been replicated previously. No, it hasn't.

1992
01:48:23,587 --> 01:48:27,507
Speaker 7: It is very novel and it's almost like a new toy,

1993
01:48:27,987 --> 01:48:29,427
Speaker 7: you know, you get it at Christmas, you're not quite

1994
01:48:29,427 --> 01:48:31,987
Speaker 7: sure what you can do with it, but then you

1995
01:48:32,027 --> 01:48:33,867
Speaker 7: spend the days honing it. Maybe it's like a cricket

1996
01:48:33,907 --> 01:48:35,667
Speaker 7: bat elliot and you have to knock it in a

1997
01:48:35,667 --> 01:48:37,667
Speaker 7: little bit. And that's what we're doing at the moment.

1998
01:48:37,707 --> 01:48:39,707
Speaker 7: We're trying to figure out what this thing is. But

1999
01:48:39,787 --> 01:48:43,027
Speaker 7: we know that it represents us as a football community.

2000
01:48:43,107 --> 01:48:45,667
Speaker 7: We know that it's exciting, we know that we want

2001
01:48:45,667 --> 01:48:47,067
Speaker 7: it to stay, and we know that it's going to

2002
01:48:47,067 --> 01:48:51,827
Speaker 7: be valuable on the long term. So we are hearing

2003
01:48:51,867 --> 01:48:54,827
Speaker 7: that the fans themselves are trying to figure out how

2004
01:48:54,907 --> 01:48:57,747
Speaker 7: they're going to create the noise and make sure that

2005
01:48:57,787 --> 01:48:59,947
Speaker 7: they've heard. Obviously, the Port's going to be there in number,

2006
01:48:59,947 --> 01:49:02,107
Speaker 7: but Yellow Fever will want to be heard as well.

2007
01:49:02,147 --> 01:49:04,147
Speaker 7: So they've got t fots, which are the banners that

2008
01:49:04,147 --> 01:49:05,867
Speaker 7: they're roll up for all the game. There might be

2009
01:49:06,427 --> 01:49:09,347
Speaker 7: some smoke flares at some point as well, which obviously

2010
01:49:10,187 --> 01:49:13,027
Speaker 7: aren't flears themselves, but that adds to the color as well.

2011
01:49:13,067 --> 01:49:15,947
Speaker 7: It adds to that kind of that South American Europeans

2012
01:49:16,347 --> 01:49:19,107
Speaker 7: vibe that so many fans want to take but also

2013
01:49:19,147 --> 01:49:19,707
Speaker 7: make their own.

2014
01:49:20,067 --> 01:49:23,547
Speaker 3: Have we got a name for this Derby yet? Jacob, Oh, You're.

2015
01:49:23,627 --> 01:49:25,587
Speaker 7: You're winding me up on your Elliott, because you know,

2016
01:49:26,547 --> 01:49:29,867
Speaker 7: you know, you know most feelings, so everybody. Last night

2017
01:49:30,067 --> 01:49:33,507
Speaker 7: the producers at Sky decided to go with the kiary Classico,

2018
01:49:33,507 --> 01:49:35,867
Speaker 7: which has been imposed on us by the Australians because

2019
01:49:36,427 --> 01:49:39,507
Speaker 7: they didn't quite understand the vibe. So I had in

2020
01:49:39,587 --> 01:49:42,947
Speaker 7: my ear laughing Kingsley Hockley as he put that up

2021
01:49:43,067 --> 01:49:44,507
Speaker 7: on screen because he knew he was going to get

2022
01:49:44,507 --> 01:49:48,667
Speaker 7: a reaction, but I am rejecting the KILLI Classico as

2023
01:49:48,707 --> 01:49:51,627
Speaker 7: I know Jason Pine does. At the moment, I think

2024
01:49:51,627 --> 01:49:54,187
Speaker 7: we've got a placeholder in the India Derby. There has

2025
01:49:54,227 --> 01:49:57,027
Speaker 7: been some other suggestions like the Tika Derby so teka

2026
01:49:57,067 --> 01:50:01,187
Speaker 7: Amali after the North Island. I love that type of vibe.

2027
01:50:01,827 --> 01:50:03,747
Speaker 7: But I think what will happen, Elliott, is it's going

2028
01:50:03,747 --> 01:50:06,307
Speaker 7: to be a spark point at some stags. There's going

2029
01:50:06,347 --> 01:50:07,867
Speaker 7: going to be something that happens, is going to be

2030
01:50:07,867 --> 01:50:11,027
Speaker 7: a reaction, and I think that's when the name will

2031
01:50:11,067 --> 01:50:12,867
Speaker 7: be established organically.

2032
01:50:13,067 --> 01:50:15,707
Speaker 3: We look forward to finding out what that Derby will

2033
01:50:15,747 --> 01:50:18,587
Speaker 3: eventually be called. Jacob Spoonley, thank you very much for

2034
01:50:18,627 --> 01:50:21,107
Speaker 3: your time. It's been a great chatting with you, and

2035
01:50:21,267 --> 01:50:23,787
Speaker 3: next time. Look, I look forward to the slide next week.

2036
01:50:24,107 --> 01:50:27,467
Speaker 3: Either way, whether it's yourself or Jason Pine, who I've nominated,

2037
01:50:27,987 --> 01:50:29,107
Speaker 3: I'll look forward to that happening.

2038
01:50:30,747 --> 01:50:32,427
Speaker 7: So as long as you get it back to me

2039
01:50:32,427 --> 01:50:33,987
Speaker 7: by the end of the day, I'll have to contract

2040
01:50:33,987 --> 01:50:36,547
Speaker 7: across to you and I'm sure we can lack piney

2041
01:50:36,627 --> 01:50:37,547
Speaker 7: in done.

2042
01:50:37,667 --> 01:50:39,867
Speaker 3: Jacob Spoonley, thank you very much for your side this

2043
01:50:39,907 --> 01:50:44,387
Speaker 3: afternoon on News Talk ZBB for worldwide. Jacob Spoonley, Skysport commentator,

2044
01:50:44,827 --> 01:50:46,787
Speaker 3: joining us on the program. There are a great duo

2045
01:50:46,947 --> 01:50:50,507
Speaker 3: Jason Pine and Jacob Spoonley in the Skysport commentary box

2046
01:50:50,547 --> 01:50:52,787
Speaker 3: calling all the New Zealand football games, and I very

2047
01:50:52,867 --> 01:50:56,507
Speaker 3: much look forward to them on next week's derby, going

2048
01:50:56,547 --> 01:51:00,027
Speaker 3: back and forth. Ohn't wait. It is twenty three away

2049
01:51:00,227 --> 01:51:03,907
Speaker 3: from three on news Talk ZBB England. Continuing there, hurry

2050
01:51:04,027 --> 01:51:07,107
Speaker 3: seventy seven for two a tw twenty seven more to

2051
01:51:07,147 --> 01:51:10,227
Speaker 3: win this test match. Bethel is on thirty three, Joe

2052
01:51:10,307 --> 01:51:13,947
Speaker 3: root Is on fourteen. It's a matter of time black

2053
01:51:13,947 --> 01:51:17,587
Speaker 3: Caps sync to a one Niel loss nine two nine

2054
01:51:17,667 --> 01:51:20,387
Speaker 3: two for a text. Incidentally, we mentioned it there at

2055
01:51:20,387 --> 01:51:23,787
Speaker 3: the end with Jacob. What should they call this Kiwi Derby?

2056
01:51:25,467 --> 01:51:28,267
Speaker 3: Jacob's rejected Kiwi classico, which I think is fair. I

2057
01:51:28,267 --> 01:51:30,907
Speaker 3: don't think. I think it's a bit two you know

2058
01:51:31,307 --> 01:51:35,427
Speaker 3: not us. We've already had one derby next week to

2059
01:51:35,507 --> 01:51:37,507
Speaker 3: second what should it be called? Nine two nine two

2060
01:51:38,387 --> 01:51:40,907
Speaker 3: for a text met text message? Text line is open

2061
01:51:41,507 --> 01:51:43,787
Speaker 3: here are on news Talk zen B will put forward

2062
01:51:43,867 --> 01:51:46,987
Speaker 3: some of your thoughts after this on news Talk zb

2063
01:51:47,107 --> 01:51:49,827
Speaker 3: or just twenty two away from three.

2064
01:51:50,427 --> 01:51:54,267
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2065
01:51:54,427 --> 01:51:58,307
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2066
01:51:58,147 --> 01:52:03,107
Speaker 3: MB nineteen away from three on News Talk ZB the

2067
01:52:03,147 --> 01:52:06,347
Speaker 3: Test match in christ Judge I would say, rapidly, come

2068
01:52:06,347 --> 01:52:08,587
Speaker 3: coming to our conclusion and watching on is that great?

2069
01:52:08,667 --> 01:52:13,547
Speaker 3: Correspondent Andrew Orders in afternoon again Orders the end is

2070
01:52:13,587 --> 01:52:14,907
Speaker 3: coming rather rapidly.

2071
01:52:15,827 --> 01:52:17,547
Speaker 14: Yeah, if you hold on along in us we then

2072
01:52:17,587 --> 01:52:18,547
Speaker 14: you might wrap it up for you.

2073
01:52:18,787 --> 01:52:18,987
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2074
01:52:19,227 --> 01:52:21,467
Speaker 14: They're chasing one hundred and forward of when here England

2075
01:52:21,467 --> 01:52:24,547
Speaker 14: eighty six or two, so convincing display and New Zealands

2076
01:52:24,547 --> 01:52:27,667
Speaker 14: picked up a couple of dismissals, but pretty token in

2077
01:52:27,747 --> 01:52:30,307
Speaker 14: the scheme of things. So Jacob beth Lon Devo getting

2078
01:52:30,347 --> 01:52:33,267
Speaker 14: to forty of thirty two deliveries so far, Joe Root

2079
01:52:33,707 --> 01:52:37,587
Speaker 14: sixteen or eleven earlier, been duck at racing to twenty

2080
01:52:37,627 --> 01:52:41,627
Speaker 14: seven and effectively treating the bowling with disdain, and they

2081
01:52:41,747 --> 01:52:43,827
Speaker 14: all reaching all parts and looking to wrap this up

2082
01:52:43,827 --> 01:52:46,627
Speaker 14: pretty quickly in this middle session on the fourth day

2083
01:52:46,707 --> 01:52:49,627
Speaker 14: in New Zealand. I mean, I guess the context of

2084
01:52:49,667 --> 01:52:53,707
Speaker 14: this is that their World Test Championship hosts probably requiring

2085
01:52:53,707 --> 01:52:56,267
Speaker 14: the mathematicians skills of someone like Isaac Newton to be

2086
01:52:56,307 --> 01:52:58,867
Speaker 14: able to get them through that final. Now, if you

2087
01:52:58,907 --> 01:53:04,547
Speaker 14: do the predictor system, and I mean other context to it,

2088
01:53:04,707 --> 01:53:06,307
Speaker 14: just that, yeah, it's going to put them in a

2089
01:53:06,347 --> 01:53:08,307
Speaker 14: in a difficult position to win the series from here

2090
01:53:08,347 --> 01:53:12,667
Speaker 14: heading to Wellington and Hamilton. But yeah, England out playing

2091
01:53:12,707 --> 01:53:14,347
Speaker 14: New Zealand at least at this stage with just the

2092
01:53:14,747 --> 01:53:15,467
Speaker 14: seventeen runs.

2093
01:53:15,467 --> 01:53:18,227
Speaker 3: A quired, where was it lost? Let's assume that the

2094
01:53:18,787 --> 01:53:20,347
Speaker 3: black Caps an't going to take eight we gets for

2095
01:53:20,347 --> 01:53:21,827
Speaker 3: seven ten whe where was it? Where was this test

2096
01:53:21,827 --> 01:53:22,627
Speaker 3: match lost? Orders?

2097
01:53:23,347 --> 01:53:26,507
Speaker 14: Look, I think, just plain and simple, it is those

2098
01:53:27,427 --> 01:53:32,227
Speaker 14: those eight catches dropped in that second earnings for club

2099
01:53:32,267 --> 01:53:35,387
Speaker 14: from New Zealand's aspective. Sorry the England person, I think

2100
01:53:35,867 --> 01:53:38,427
Speaker 14: getting to four ninety nine, that was doing the numbers

2101
01:53:38,427 --> 01:53:40,787
Speaker 14: on that two hundred and fifty one runs. If you

2102
01:53:40,987 --> 01:53:43,667
Speaker 14: if you maximize about the fact that Brook was dropped

2103
01:53:43,707 --> 01:53:47,787
Speaker 14: five times, just that wasn't really acceptable at test level

2104
01:53:47,867 --> 01:53:50,427
Speaker 14: if you're hoping to go on and be victorious. So

2105
01:53:50,747 --> 01:53:52,907
Speaker 14: I really think that that's probably the bible and the

2106
01:53:52,987 --> 01:53:56,387
Speaker 14: end of all of it. The bowl is creating the opportunities.

2107
01:53:56,627 --> 01:53:58,627
Speaker 14: The field is not delivering and it's pretty rare to

2108
01:53:58,707 --> 01:54:00,147
Speaker 14: I mean some of the likes of Tom Lake and

2109
01:54:00,267 --> 01:54:03,667
Speaker 14: dropping three Glen Phillips. Likewise, all bit Phillips did pick

2110
01:54:03,747 --> 01:54:09,067
Speaker 14: up that terrific tiving one hand right hand take at

2111
01:54:09,227 --> 01:54:11,707
Speaker 14: gully to remove play for seventy seven.

2112
01:54:11,827 --> 01:54:12,707
Speaker 6: That was terrific.

2113
01:54:12,747 --> 01:54:15,187
Speaker 14: But apart from that are pretty wide from the late.

2114
01:54:15,387 --> 01:54:17,907
Speaker 3: Indeed, and look at after that series in India to

2115
01:54:18,187 --> 01:54:21,227
Speaker 3: win over there three nil, is it a regression from

2116
01:54:21,227 --> 01:54:23,587
Speaker 3: the black Caps or was that India one just one

2117
01:54:23,627 --> 01:54:24,307
Speaker 3: out of the box.

2118
01:54:25,227 --> 01:54:26,907
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a really good point actually when you think

2119
01:54:26,907 --> 01:54:30,587
Speaker 14: about and you can't the grudge the team too much or.

2120
01:54:31,867 --> 01:54:32,467
Speaker 12: Taking the past.

2121
01:54:32,507 --> 01:54:37,507
Speaker 14: I mean, that's an incredible historical leasy like series victory

2122
01:54:37,587 --> 01:54:39,747
Speaker 14: the who one of the early grayil efforts to win

2123
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Speaker 14: in India and to do it so convincingly with three

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Speaker 14: tests as well. But just stagging that they have an

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Speaker 14: a tenute round at home. Maybe they need Will Young

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Speaker 14: in the light up to play with the series over there,

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Speaker 14: but that hasn't really carried over so looking and what

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Speaker 14: they're going to do from there, I'm not quite sure,

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Speaker 14: but it's going to be a difficult road.

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Speaker 3: Do you anticipate any changes for the second test?

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Speaker 14: At the basin orders, Well, they're going to bring Mi

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Speaker 14: Center into the squad. Whether they consider bringing him into

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Speaker 14: the eleven depending on whether it will spur on week on.

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Speaker 6: I guess the.

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Speaker 14: I would say variable boundaries towards the end rather than

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Speaker 14: turning so much of the base, and I think might turn.

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Speaker 12: More in Hamilton.

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Speaker 7: But I had to say, really.

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Speaker 14: With that, when when they bring young in at the

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Speaker 14: top of the order for a Conway or whether they

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Speaker 14: inject someone else into the line up there strengthen the datting.

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Speaker 14: Maybe Tom Brundle look will struggling with the bat but

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Speaker 14: still pretty reasonable with the gloves. But I think that

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Speaker 14: they will largely look in the past and they're not

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Speaker 14: relatively conservative with selects. As though you're reluctant to change it,

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Speaker 14: would have thought and give us life a second chance.

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Speaker 5: In Wellington, you'd.

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Speaker 3: Suspect so as well. They've gone to have a drink

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Speaker 3: at ninety five for two England leading nine more runs

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Speaker 3: or let you get back to it orders and you

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Speaker 3: can have a drink yourself.

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Speaker 12: Go you there.

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Speaker 14: Nine runs required. I work it from hand in Jacob

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Speaker 14: bethe On now forty one of thirty three with Joe

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Speaker 14: Root twenty three or Off fifteen. So pretty convincing display

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Speaker 14: there from the single spanning line up post lunch.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, it is thank you, orders you back to the

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Speaker 3: afternoon that is in christ Church as this Test match

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Speaker 3: heads for a conclusion. Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Ordison joining us from Hagley Oval in christ. J

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Speaker 3: Jack cricket correspondent, Yes, nine runs away and they've taken

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Speaker 3: a drink's break in christ Couple of text messages on

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Speaker 3: the cricket front the India series when three nil by

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Speaker 3: the black Caps is partly due to how arrogant India was.

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Speaker 3: They expected a bit as comfortably so when they were

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Speaker 3: down they tried to hit themselves out of trouble arrogantly.

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Speaker 3: I think robo one more on the cricket that is

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Speaker 3: in front of me as well. Unfortunately, Sad will be

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Speaker 3: remembered more for his lack of application as batsman, which

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Speaker 3: is possibly a bit unfair. But he may as well

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Speaker 3: have batted at eleven. They're not so much judgment made

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Speaker 3: of him. Hopefully he doesn't open the bowling as surely

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Speaker 3: I Rourke with the new ball will be more dangerous. Well,

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Speaker 3: he did open the bowling in the how long did

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Speaker 3: he last in the attack? Not so long. Three overs

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Speaker 3: none for twenty seven was what he contributed before the

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Speaker 3: change was made. Nathan Smith also not having a great

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Speaker 3: time for three overs none for twenty nine. The wickets

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Speaker 3: going the way of Matt Henry won for twelve off

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Speaker 3: three and Will O'Rourke one for twenty seven off three

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Speaker 3: overs as well. One more text This is from Jennison.

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Speaker 3: You very much, jenes Hi Elliott, thank you for your

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Speaker 3: we're contacting the AB's this year. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 3: seeing what progress the abbe's make next year. I do

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Speaker 3: have my concerns about Robinson and his fellow coaches. Thanks again,

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Speaker 3: it's very kind, giness appreciate it is lock. Twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five is going to be a very interesting year, isn't

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Speaker 3: it for the All Blacks. Three Tests against France, Rugby

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Speaker 3: Championship in there as well, and then a Grand Slam

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Speaker 3: to it to finish. Hasn't been officially confirmed, but that's

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Speaker 3: certainly our understanding of how it is going to play

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Speaker 3: out next year. Doesn't leave a lot of room for

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Speaker 3: building depth. Those are some tough tasks. I know Francis

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Speaker 3: ending likely over a B or C team, but they've

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01:58:11,627 --> 01:58:13,467
Speaker 3: got a lot of depth a moment the French side,

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Speaker 3: that's not going to necessarily be easy, and the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks can't afford to roll out and build depth in

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Speaker 3: those Test matches. They need to hit the ground running

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Speaker 3: next year. So it's going to be a fascinating year

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Speaker 3: of rugby. He'd appreciate the text, Janus England one hundred

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Speaker 3: and one for two. They need three more runs to

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Speaker 3: win this Test match. Nathan Smith doing the honors at

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01:58:35,467 --> 01:58:38,507
Speaker 3: the moment for the black Caps, It's going to be

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01:58:38,627 --> 01:58:40,747
Speaker 3: very interesting, isn't it to see what changes they make

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Speaker 3: for the second Test. As Andrew Ortison pointed out, their

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Speaker 3: very very conservative selection lineup don't often swing the acts

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Speaker 3: without number of chances. But it is just the time

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01:58:57,747 --> 01:59:03,107
Speaker 3: for them to be a little bit bold, make some

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Speaker 3: changes outside the norm. Send some players back to plunket skilled,

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Speaker 3: look to the future a little bit. Quite possibly for mine,

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Speaker 3: I think this is a good opportunity. Let's come under pressure,

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Speaker 3: but a chance to look abroad, look for the future,

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Speaker 3: look to some different players, allow some players to get

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Speaker 3: some runs back at first class level, It's going to

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01:59:34,947 --> 01:59:36,787
Speaker 3: be very interesting to see which way the black Caps

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Speaker 3: selectors go. I suspect they'll go conservative. As Andrew Orderson

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Speaker 3: mentioned there, Mitchell Santa will come in. That was pre

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Speaker 3: planned for the series. Hard to see too many other changes,

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Speaker 3: just in the manner of the way that this team

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Speaker 3: has been selected over a number of years. It is

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Speaker 3: eleven away from three. Will take a break come back.

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Speaker 3: I suspect the Test match won't be over after the.

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Speaker 1: Ads the schoon from the track field on your whole

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Speaker 1: weekends for it.

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Speaker 3: She's all over in christ Church, bowls to Bethel and

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Speaker 3: smashes him out to the man.

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Speaker 22: It's deep squealing. England win the Test match. Bethel finishes

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Speaker 22: with a debut fifty nine out and a comprehensive victory

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Speaker 22: for England by eight wickets. They didn't muck around hundred

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Speaker 22: and four to win. Quite extraordinary stuff and well played England.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed Test match over. England win by eight wickets.

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Speaker 3: They only needed twelve point four overs to get their

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Speaker 3: Bethel makes fifty route makes twenty three wickets the way

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Speaker 3: of Henry and O'Rourke. But it was always going to

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Speaker 3: be futile chasing one hundred and for the victory of

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Speaker 3: the black Cats crash and now one kneel down in

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Speaker 3: the series against against England. The second Test starts in

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Speaker 3: Wellington on Friday morning at eleven, black Caps obviously needing

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Speaker 3: a win to stay in the series. Going to be

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Speaker 3: very interesting to see the noise that comes out of

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Speaker 3: the black Caps camp as to whether they make any

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Speaker 3: changes for the second match. Unlikely they would do so

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Speaker 3: mid series. You just wonder how much more rope some

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Speaker 3: of those players in the black Caps side, the likes

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Speaker 3: of Tom Blundell Devin Conway in particular, have got. With

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Speaker 3: their lack of run scoring in recent times, you just

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Speaker 3: think that maybe they might need to make some changes

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Speaker 3: sooner rather than later. Not a lot of Test matches

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Speaker 3: coming up, do you stick with the current players or

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Speaker 3: do you begin to look at the newer players that

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Speaker 3: are coming through. As we heard from Scott Winnink at

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Speaker 3: the top of the show, only four Test matches scheduled

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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, two against Zimbabwe, midyear two against

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Speaker 3: the West and is at the end of the as

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Speaker 3: it stands, although he suggested that they are looking to

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Speaker 3: add further matches as well. Under the negotiations. I suspect

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Speaker 3: one of those will be a third Test against the

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Speaker 3: West Indies at home next year. Maybe others to pop

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Speaker 3: up along the way, but not a lot of test

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Speaker 3: matches coming up. So is this the opportunity in Wellington

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Speaker 3: and Hamilton to learn a bit more and make some

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Speaker 3: changes for the future. We'll wait and see with interest

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Speaker 3: what the black Caps selectors do. As I said, I

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Speaker 3: suspect they will keep the faith with the players that

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Speaker 3: they have in their squads at the moments. That'll about

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Speaker 3: do us. I reckon for a week in Sport for

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Speaker 3: thirtieth November one of December. My thanks to Andy McDonald

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Speaker 3: steering the ship over the last couple of days. Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine's back with you tomorrow evening after we break. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure we'll be looking forward to dissecting further this black

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Speaker 3: Caps result with you as well. And I've sold them

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Speaker 3: up the river as well, because he might have to

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Speaker 3: do this fly next week down at Mount Smart five

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Speaker 3: away from three. I'm going to close the show. It's

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Speaker 3: my turn to choose the musical interlude. Andy, it's on

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Speaker 3: the plane back from Europe. Watch the documentary. It's while

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Speaker 3: worth a watch. I think it's on Amazon Prime. Here

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Speaker 3: about Celendion, stiff body syndrome that she suffered edits like

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Speaker 3: you look at those clips in that movie, remarkable what

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Speaker 3: she's been through. But then years remember what pipe she

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Speaker 3: has got Celendion. And so we're closing today with Celene

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Speaker 3: Dion on News Talk ZB. We will see you next time.

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Speaker 18: It was coming coming, It's all love to recess and

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Speaker 18: it's all comming tune. I can tell you recall coming

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Speaker 18: back to.

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Speaker 13: Me, what your history with the time tupped up and

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Speaker 13: I made myself against.

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