Speaker 1: You're listening to the weekend collective podcast from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 1: But right now it is time for the panel and
Speaker 1: my guests are. Firstly, our first panelist. As a journalist
Speaker 1: and author, she's been editor of the New Zealand Gardening
Speaker 1: magazine for fourteen years and an all round gardening star
Speaker 1: at Joe McCarroll, Get Joe, how are you going?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I was so interested in enjoying the intro I forgot
Speaker 3: to turn my microphone on there because I just was
Speaker 3: did you talk more about me?
Speaker 1: Actually? I was thinking how it must be at least
Speaker 1: a month. Where's my copy of the magazine?
Speaker 3: You have to have me on again in the next
Speaker 3: few weeks.
Speaker 1: All good. And our second panelist, I'm sort of struggling
Speaker 1: with how to introduce him here, but he is a
Speaker 1: bit of a superstar in the world of economics. It's
Speaker 1: quite a young chap He's chief executive and principal economist
Speaker 1: at Infometrics and best friend of Adrian or I think,
Speaker 1: and it is Brad Olsen Gett a Brad hay game.
Speaker 4: Excellent introduction. Thank you, Tim, It's lovely to be back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've had a busy week. I mentioned him.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean it's always busy weeking economics, but certainly
Speaker 4: the first time that we cut interest rates in a
Speaker 4: couple of years, Yeah, big time.
Speaker 1: Well we're going to dig into that into a moment,
Speaker 1: but first, cab off the rank guys. The meth laced
Speaker 1: lolly's story, it's kind of but surreal. When I first
Speaker 1: heard about it, I thought, do I need to be
Speaker 1: paranoid as a dad and go and tell my kids,
Speaker 1: by the way, just on the off chance that you're
Speaker 1: at netball and somebody's hands around the suites, if it's
Speaker 1: the pineapple flavored render lollies, don't have them. And funny
Speaker 1: thing is it does seem to have been a bit
Speaker 1: more wise purpose. Quite a horrendous story, isn't it, Brad.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's huge, I think as well. When I first
Speaker 4: heard this, I think everyone was like, what, what cruel
Speaker 4: human being is going to try and you know, drug
Speaker 4: people by giving these lollies through to something like Auckland
Speaker 4: Mission City Mission. But it then turns out that it
Speaker 4: probably seems like a drug operation gone wrong, and instead
Speaker 4: of swapping out the shipment at the right place, the
Speaker 4: drug mules have kept the you know, the lollies or
Speaker 4: the drugs and the lollies and handed them over.
Speaker 3: It does make you think not to minimize the seriousness
Speaker 3: of this, because it's an awful, awful thing. You feel
Speaker 3: desperately sorry for the staff at the mission. But it
Speaker 3: does make you think that somewhere out there, someone's got
Speaker 3: a bag of pineapple sweets and they think they've got
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ban and fetamine.
Speaker 2: What a rip off?
Speaker 1: Right, Actually, do you feel sorry for the drug dealer
Speaker 1: who's just lost a fortune. I mean, it has to
Speaker 1: be a smuggling operation that's been accidentally, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that this scenario would apply. But imagine
Speaker 1: if the smuggler was sort of just a middle class
Speaker 1: family and be like, honey, what did you do with
Speaker 1: those those packets of sweets that were just in the
Speaker 1: corner over there? I gave them to the city mission.
Speaker 2: So what it wasn't so serious.
Speaker 4: It would be a great movie in a couple of
Speaker 4: years time, you wonder sort of thing. But I mean,
Speaker 4: I think I don't think they've got them all back in.
Speaker 4: I think they've got very strong lines of inquiring someone.
Speaker 4: I think they've got a better idea of where they've
Speaker 4: all gone. But I mean the fact that they got
Speaker 4: out there. I think there is still that little bit
Speaker 4: of caution and that's probably appropriate at the moment. If
Speaker 4: you've got some sort of random lollies that you don't
Speaker 4: normally have, then maybe yeah, just be careful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I think it's four
Speaker 3: people have needed medical attention so far, and they certainly
Speaker 3: haven't got them all back, and we don't have to
Speaker 3: think back very far. In the news cycle, there was
Speaker 3: that meth in the beer and a guy died, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you're right, it's almost a funny story,
Speaker 3: but the seriousness of it is devastating, and it just
Speaker 3: made me think I must, I must myself make a
Speaker 3: donation to the mission because they do such important work
Speaker 3: and they help a really vulnerable cohortive of New Zealanders,
Speaker 3: and you know, I just feel an immense sympathy for
Speaker 3: the stuff.
Speaker 1: Actually, what a class act you are, Joe, to turn
Speaker 1: it around into such a beautiful charitable segue there, and
Speaker 1: to support our city mission.
Speaker 2: Well try.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I'm being lighthearted, but I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's worth remembering. I mean, how mortified they
Speaker 1: must be and how stressful. It's like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: we've given all that these packages.
Speaker 3: How frightened because it's Lolly's and we know who loves
Speaker 3: lollies and its kids, and so you know, you think
Speaker 3: this so far, luckily the worst and happened, but you know,
Speaker 3: they haven't found all the lollies. And I just think
Speaker 3: it is a terrifying situation that I take very seriously.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, but I'm not sure it's the smartest
Speaker 1: move for someone to sell sell one of the sweets
Speaker 1: on trade me maybe you've found an innocent suite. And
Speaker 1: because somebody's been somebody's been pinged for trying to sell one.
Speaker 3: On Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 4: Facebook marketplace, Dodgy okay, sorry, the other one.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say, yeah, I think that that person,
Speaker 3: whether they've got the lollies or not, deserve sanctions, as
Speaker 3: does anyone trying to buy it, Like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are you up to there? I mean, you're
Speaker 4: just waving the sort of flag for the police and someone.
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that's the thing. We're having
Speaker 4: a bit of a light there's a bit of light hardedness.
Speaker 4: I think through it. It's obviously a very serious manner.
Speaker 4: But people who are sort of taking any further than that,
Speaker 4: that's that's real sort of cold hearted stuff out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, by the way, would you if you had
Speaker 1: an intercept with one by accident and somebody said, hey,
Speaker 1: look look what I found, would you give it a lick?
Speaker 4: You're assuming here that we didn't know that they know.
Speaker 1: You've got a strong suspicion that it's one. Would you
Speaker 1: be like, well, how bad does it?
Speaker 2: No? Nobody near?
Speaker 4: But what I think would be fast atrized those people who,
Speaker 4: you know, because I don't know what myth tastes like
Speaker 4: when you're on a fake pure lolly. So but I
Speaker 4: think one.
Speaker 3: Of the people who got it early was a recovering
Speaker 3: myth afetamine addict. Gods and so did recognize it because
Speaker 3: it was something?
Speaker 4: Is that how it got picked up? Because I mean,
Speaker 4: how did this get picked up? Who?
Speaker 1: Somebody? Because somebody said that actually I can't remember the
Speaker 1: genesis of it actually, because.
Speaker 4: Somebody must have been this person who got That's.
Speaker 3: My understanding of it, if I've understood it correctly. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you think that's someone who's gotten themselves clean and been
Speaker 3: cleaned for several years. You know, the exposure to a
Speaker 3: myth and fetterman that's just got other consequences shows how
Speaker 3: easy it is to get them in as well.
Speaker 4: Obviously if you know they're showing up in lollies and
Speaker 4: the places are not meant to it's obviously permissive enough.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's you don't need to take drugs. In fact,
Speaker 1: none of us do. Hopefully alcohol of course is a drag,
Speaker 1: but Brad especially you don't need to because you've been
Speaker 1: high all day on the OC all day, or all
Speaker 1: week on. Just the impending and the resulting OCR announcement
Speaker 1: being cut for five point two to five point two
Speaker 1: five percent. Yes, exciting week for you.
Speaker 4: Oh huge week, I mean, and I think the right decision.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's quite clear out there that the economy
Speaker 4: is in a week of place. You look at consumer
Speaker 4: spending activity down nearly five percent over the last year.
Speaker 4: You look at manufacturing, construction. No one's doing particularly well
Speaker 4: at the moment, and if they are, they're keeping.
Speaker 2: Quiet about it.
Speaker 4: But for the Reserve Bank to three months ago, say
Speaker 4: everyone just call your jets. We're possibly going to have
Speaker 4: to increase interest rates. We're certainly not going to cut
Speaker 4: them for just about another year. Sure, they came through
Speaker 4: in July and sort of said, well, look, we're going
Speaker 4: to have to think about tempering. But to be fair,
Speaker 4: they just said a couple of months back, you know,
Speaker 4: to not worry about it for another whole year. Then
Speaker 4: to come out in August and to cut it. In
Speaker 4: my mind, that's a u turn. It's a flip flop.
Speaker 4: I know that the governor disagrees, but geez, it's a
Speaker 4: big shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, just to also remind everyone that they have
Speaker 1: the sort of major updates, don't they, and then they
Speaker 1: have the mine o by the way, here we are.
Speaker 1: So the major update was in May, right, and then
Speaker 1: in July they said, oh we've been thinking, let's see
Speaker 1: how we go.
Speaker 4: Well and as well, look, I mean the governor was
Speaker 4: on with Mike Hosting on must have been Thursday morning
Speaker 4: talking about this instead of you know, that was five
Speaker 4: months ago.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was three months ago. The latest monetary policy statement
Speaker 4: before now was in late May, three months ago, and
Speaker 4: then we got an update mid July, six weeks later.
Speaker 4: We've had the one this week. So in my mind, yeah,
Speaker 4: the economy is looking weak it's looked weak pretty much
Speaker 4: all year. I don't know if your listeners have sort
Speaker 4: of seen I certainly have. The economy isn't great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to come back to you because I
Speaker 1: know You've got lots of say to this, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to go no, Joe, it seemed that everyone thought
Speaker 1: a long time ago, a while ago, that come on,
Speaker 1: we can't keep the rates up for the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank finally sort of agreed with everyone else
Speaker 1: and it was sort.
Speaker 3: Of finally read the room. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I guess I just my thinking is I agree with you, Brad.
Speaker 3: I think it's the economy was crying out for it.
Speaker 3: But you just wonder if there's the food spending out there,
Speaker 3: and if that deferred spending is going to be an
Speaker 3: inflationary sugar rush, if there's all these property buyers and
Speaker 3: investment property owners who are just going to rush out
Speaker 3: waiting for the market to bottom, and in which case,
Speaker 3: you know, all going to have Though.
Speaker 1: I think economic I think the economy is not in
Speaker 1: very good shape right now, so I'm not sure whether
Speaker 1: it all really do too much.
Speaker 4: But the point that Joe mates is an interesting one right, like,
Speaker 4: how many people out there have got a bunch of
Speaker 4: money either are going to invest in property or go
Speaker 4: and spend down the shops or whatever. It's not looking
Speaker 4: good at the moment, but it's sort of sitting there
Speaker 4: and going, look, now that things are about to get
Speaker 4: a bit cheaper, Like now I actually can think about
Speaker 4: affording that house. Whatever might not be huge, and I
Speaker 4: think that's the thing we probably won't know immediately. But
Speaker 4: here's the other this is I think the bigger question
Speaker 4: for me is that, Okay, back in May they said
Speaker 4: one thing though, and they very much didn't stick to it.
Speaker 4: People will have made decisions based on how strong of
Speaker 4: a view they can communicated out in May. People will
Speaker 4: now be taking cues from what they've said in the
Speaker 4: last week, where it's sort of implied the interest rates
Speaker 4: will be continuing to fall. I think the only important
Speaker 4: kevit The important caution here is that the Monetary Policy Committee,
Speaker 4: the guys who said interest rates did say, look, the
Speaker 4: pace of easing will basically depend on how inflation goes.
Speaker 4: So it is not absolutely golden and locked in stone
Speaker 4: that they will continue to cut or that they will
Speaker 4: continue to cut in such a way. They might go fast,
Speaker 4: they might go slower. It's all going to be data
Speaker 4: dependent from here.
Speaker 1: The other thing about Adrianaw's interview, I heard him with
Speaker 1: Husking and that was a sort of sparky lot interview.
Speaker 1: But I didn't he imply to people that who had
Speaker 1: were criticizing him that he or his reason said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't put pictures in the report or something. Did
Speaker 1: he was he sniping at people like you?
Speaker 4: Ah, Look, I mean I wouldn't as.
Speaker 1: Possibly.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's certainly been there's certainly been a lot
Speaker 4: of strong views, and I mean I obviously have put
Speaker 4: some of those.
Speaker 1: Out here in the sphere of your generation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know and how bad. But I mean
Speaker 4: that's because this stuff is important, Like you know, this
Speaker 4: is make or break for a lot of households, a
Speaker 4: lot of families who have got, you know, some pretty
Speaker 4: big mortgages. And then in recent times.
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for.
Speaker 4: Everyone to be perfect. Gosh, I'm not a perfect person,
Speaker 4: but I do think it's important that when you're going
Speaker 4: to do such a big pivot, if everyone in the
Speaker 4: market doesn't understand what you're saying. And let's be clear,
Speaker 4: most economists most market commentators. There was a big split
Speaker 4: between people who said, maybe it falls, maybe it's on hold.
Speaker 4: Who the heck knows that says that something along the
Speaker 4: line hasn't been communicated properly because we've all taken the
Speaker 4: same information and got different views. That's on the Reserve Bank.
Speaker 1: The other thing, Joe, actually that I did see. Look,
Speaker 1: I've probably been critical of Adrian. I got a C
Speaker 1: minus or C plus and economics, I'm no genius. But
Speaker 1: the thing that I think people there's this language that
Speaker 1: economists use generally that there's going to be a bit
Speaker 1: of pain out there, and the Reserve Bank use it like, well,
Speaker 1: there'll be some pain, but what the pain is is
Speaker 1: job losses and people losing their businesses and stuff. And
Speaker 1: Adrian always in the press comment saying I get a
Speaker 1: bit of motion on that's this stuff. It's like, mate,
Speaker 1: why don't you take a bit of responsibility for the
Speaker 1: fact that you helped with this cheap money which meant
Speaker 1: people bought house and did a whole lot of things,
Speaker 1: and then you've had to cause a little bit of pain,
Speaker 1: you know, and you pretend you're emotional about it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd be emotional if I'd lost my job
Speaker 1: in my business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, I think you know,
Speaker 3: this isn't an exit and this isn't an academic exercise.
Speaker 3: You know, this is real people, real lives, and I
Speaker 3: think you do not have to look very far before
Speaker 3: you can see you know, empty shops, empty premises. You know,
Speaker 3: it is tough out there, and it's tough for real people.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it is incumbent upon or and
Speaker 3: anyone in that sort of position to make sure that
Speaker 3: that they're explaining things as often as they need to
Speaker 3: in the language that they need to. So it is
Speaker 3: people understand.
Speaker 1: He did a good job of dissembling in a way with Hosking,
Speaker 1: because at the end I sort of thought I don't
Speaker 1: know what to believe any longer, because he was like
Speaker 1: Obi wan Kenobi, you know these are not the droids
Speaker 1: you're looking for. This is not then this is don't
Speaker 1: leave everything these economists. A no, no, I wasn't saying that.
Speaker 1: That was five months, you know, it was one thing
Speaker 1: I say, this is a big change, I know, and
Speaker 1: maybe we didn't project this as accurate as we would
Speaker 1: have liked to. One sentence could have done it couldn't.
Speaker 4: And that's just straight up. Look, we put this out
Speaker 4: of May. We would like you to figet it because
Speaker 4: we got it wrong. Let's move on. You know this
Speaker 4: is now our reed would have gone at least some
Speaker 4: way to recognizing that, whereas I genuinely think that the
Speaker 4: Reserve Bank thinks they were one hundred percent completely right
Speaker 4: in May, and suddenly the entire economy has changed on
Speaker 4: them in the last three months, not five months, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it's a whole lot worse. I
Speaker 4: would have said, it's been sort of continually as bad.
Speaker 4: You look at a lot of those figures, you look
Speaker 4: at how sales, you look at the likes of retail
Speaker 4: trade activity. It's been falling in the last couple of months. Sure,
Speaker 4: a continuing trend from where it was before. But let's
Speaker 4: be clear, that's put a little, slight, little bit of
Speaker 4: sunshine on this. I mean, this will be relief for
Speaker 4: households are starting to see that move. I think that
Speaker 4: will move sentiment. I hope it doesn't go overboard, but
Speaker 4: I think people will be sitting out there and going
Speaker 4: like we're going through the worst at the moment, but
Speaker 4: there is light at the end of that tunnel.
Speaker 3: I think that will feed into the economy quite quickly.
Speaker 3: I mean, I saw some data the other day about
Speaker 3: the number of people who are on floating all the
Speaker 3: number of tempt to people who have six months or
Speaker 3: less before they so it's a big cohort. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that's going to come if mortgage rates continue to trend down.
Speaker 3: That is relief that will be felt quite quickly, and
Speaker 3: that I think will be mana to a lot of
Speaker 3: New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, just one little thing. It's you know how
Speaker 1: you see so many businesses closing. I went past a
Speaker 1: coffee place the other day and I thought, that looks
Speaker 1: like a nice little spot. And I went in and
Speaker 1: it's a place where you can literally pick your beans
Speaker 1: and they'll roast them on the spot for you wait
Speaker 1: for the exactly how you want. Yeah. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: said to them, I said well, and I thought, how
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you guys here before and they said, no,
Speaker 1: we just opened yesterday. I was like, whoa, And so
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them a shout out because I
Speaker 1: just thought it was a brilliant idea. It's a place
Speaker 1: called Deer Deer in Ellesleie, panmea and they'll roast whatever
Speaker 1: beans you want. And I'm not There's no inncent of
Speaker 1: me to say that. I was just admiring people who actually,
Speaker 1: despite how tough it is for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: there's still got ideas and getting into it.
Speaker 2: Given to go.
Speaker 1: I should pop down there with Brad tax im home
Speaker 1: to to Wellington. Of course you've got a few race
Speaker 1: stories down there.
Speaker 4: We do, but hey, look they're doing it tough, but
Speaker 4: hopefully on the up from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, Right, we're going to take a moment, come
Speaker 1: back and well we've got lots to talk about this
Speaker 1: As the panel, I'm Tim Beveridge and my guests, my ghosts,
Speaker 1: my guests, my guess Joe McCarroll and Brad Olsen back
Speaker 1: in just to tack.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 2: You can see s.
Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Weekend cleft On, Tim Beveridge,
Speaker 1: my guest is Joe McCarroll and Brad Olsen. You'll have
Speaker 1: to watch that that music there, Tarra, because word is
Speaker 1: that Brad Olsen can bust out some mean moves. He'll
Speaker 1: be dancing before we know it. I don't know where
Speaker 1: that rumor came from, Brad, that you know it came
Speaker 1: from it's from Mike Cosky. Was it based on anything?
Speaker 4: A long story short, I made my way into the
Speaker 4: awards after party one year, I got a drink at
Speaker 4: the bar next to one of Mike's producers, and the
Speaker 4: next morning that entire escapade turned into bread cutting some
Speaker 4: shapes on the darts for until the early hours. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 4: radio takes on a life of its own. Apparently.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard that straight before.
Speaker 4: And there was a video though, well, yeah, apparently there
Speaker 4: is video proof now I have checked and no one's
Speaker 4: ever sent me the video. If you are listening and
Speaker 4: you have a video, please send it through. What's the
Speaker 4: text number again that you have.
Speaker 1: Tim b at Newstalk, said be gerddan Zied. Now, the
Speaker 1: Australian Prime Minister has welcomed Christopher Lux and Anthony Albert.
Speaker 1: They've met in Canberra. They've discussed things like Pillar two
Speaker 1: of the Orchest Agreement and the five oh win one deportees.
Speaker 1: I guess you know, they've talked about friendship and look,
Speaker 1: they are our friends and allies in a way, except
Speaker 1: I just wish they'd stop stop sending their problems back
Speaker 1: to us. In the form of five oh ones Joe.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean they're sending criminals and taking police.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Not Actually that's a bad spot, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: That's actually the economist stance on that would that looks
Speaker 1: like a really negative equation, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I have I love Australia as
Speaker 3: a country. I have a lot of connection to Australia myself.
Speaker 3: But I think I just feel like Luckson was coming
Speaker 3: across as the younger brother.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much how we've always come across, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I mean, because they It's just.
Speaker 4: A numbers game, isn't it. I mean we've got five
Speaker 4: minute and they've got twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say a Deurn made a lot more
Speaker 3: headway in that relationship.
Speaker 1: It's all come undone again. I mean, what were five
Speaker 1: oh ones? I mean it was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I mean it seems to have been meaning by.
Speaker 3: Our next penal colony. I think Australia takes a not
Speaker 3: very sort of consistent position in terms of criminals. But
Speaker 3: I mean, actually I would say most countries protect their
Speaker 3: own country. I mean that's across the world. Most countries
Speaker 3: would do the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just think there's an issue of
Speaker 1: just a reasonableness really that if people have gone over
Speaker 1: there in their late teens or something, I can understand
Speaker 1: them being sent back, But when you've been there since
Speaker 1: you're three years old. Sorry, but Australia needs to own
Speaker 1: that problem, don't they.
Speaker 2: Bred they do.
Speaker 4: But this is pure politics, right, like from a sensible,
Speaker 4: common sense approach, Yeah, definitely, that politics says that, you know,
Speaker 4: the Australian government's under a bit of pressure around that
Speaker 4: sort of immigration front, around crime and similar and so
Speaker 4: they're looking at where they can make a move and
Speaker 4: that's one that you know is pretty easy or a
Speaker 4: lot easier to revert back to. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: as well often with a lot of these things, it
Speaker 4: does take a little bit of time, you know, the
Speaker 4: back channeling and that to try and make some of
Speaker 4: these things work. But you know, certainly I think we'd
Speaker 4: be looking for more, either on that or on other things.
Speaker 4: I mean, the New Zealand Australia relationship is incredibly strong,
Speaker 4: but you know, it seems like it's time for a
Speaker 4: bit of an upgrade or a bit of a you know,
Speaker 4: lifted to the next level. We are so close. We
Speaker 4: do so many things together, but there's also so many
Speaker 4: areas where we should could surely do things a whole
Speaker 4: lot more seamlessly.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, what about the pillar two of the
Speaker 1: Orchest Agreement. There's a lot of sort of emotion floating
Speaker 1: around that, and we've had Don Brash and Helen Clark
Speaker 1: have their say on it. But what's your thought on it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's one of those things like
Speaker 4: no one has said that we're something on the dotted line,
Speaker 4: or that we're going to go and grab nuclear subsory
Speaker 4: thing that quick. So I feel like a little bit
Speaker 4: of cooler heads need to prevail in terms of let's
Speaker 4: go through it. The previous government themselves, the labor led government,
Speaker 4: we're happy to have a look at it. Now the
Speaker 4: National led government is going to have a look at it.
Speaker 4: Let's have a look at it and feel and figure
Speaker 4: out where we can go into. We know the world
Speaker 4: is a way more scary place than we had hoped
Speaker 4: and expected it to be a couple of years back.
Speaker 4: We've got to sort of respond to that. We've got
Speaker 4: to figure out how that works. I certainly think it's
Speaker 4: worthwhile going through. But I do worry a little bit
Speaker 4: that we seem to go into this position immediately where
Speaker 4: it's either you know, we don't do anything and we
Speaker 4: never talk to anyone and we try and become the
Speaker 4: Switzerland of the South Pacific, or that we know are
Speaker 4: trying to become, you know, the new military of the world.
Speaker 2: We're not trying to do either.
Speaker 4: Of those things. There is a more balanced sort of
Speaker 4: middle position where New Zealand's independent foreign policy can work. Well,
Speaker 4: let's sort of stick to it.
Speaker 1: Also mentioned that Switzerland itself is compared to us armed
Speaker 1: to the teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but I think I'm luxime at that
Speaker 3: point in one of his speeches where we have to
Speaker 3: be a participant rather than a bystander in international affairs.
Speaker 3: I think that is a very true fact. Like we
Speaker 3: can't just put our hands for our eyes and hope.
Speaker 4: Well, either it's gonna either it's going to happen to
Speaker 4: you know, we can either sort of be part of it,
Speaker 4: or it's just going to wash over us and we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to take it.
Speaker 1: The other thing, well, actually, this is the news about
Speaker 1: the Helen Clark and Don Brash's opposition to us engaging
Speaker 1: with Pillar two is sort of it's not so recent
Speaker 1: that it's ongoing, obviously, But the thing is they talk
Speaker 1: about me complexes, our independence. You can be independent and
Speaker 1: still have allies and friends. It's almost like an ally
Speaker 1: you're not independent. It's like, no, I think all they're
Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive, are they.
Speaker 4: Well, we've been doing that for the last forty years,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem to have done us too poorly.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: You know, we remember of five Eyes. That's a pretty big,
Speaker 4: pretty big deal in the scheme.
Speaker 1: Of well, yeah, that's right, it's worth remember. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that almost speaking of five eyes and all that,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we're speaking about five eyes, but
Speaker 1: speaking about all sorts of theories that go with well
Speaker 1: that possibly Kim dot Com would sign up to. He's
Speaker 1: finally had an extradition order signed against him by Paul
Speaker 1: Goldsmith to return be returned to the United States to
Speaker 1: have to basically be go on try for the alleged
Speaker 1: fortune he made from digital piracy. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it's particularly alleged, but we'll go with that language. Back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, it's been going on a
Speaker 1: long time, Joe, He's still.
Speaker 3: Here such a long time, and he's just kicked the
Speaker 3: can along the road for so long, and he's carried
Speaker 3: on just to avoid the consequences of his actions. And frankly,
Speaker 3: I'd give the guy a left to the airport. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a lost to New Zealand. I mean,
Speaker 3: you could make the point that it's left to the airport,
Speaker 3: don't you know. You could say he's sort of trying
Speaker 3: to control the uncontrollable and they're going after this one guy,
Speaker 3: when you know, peer to peer is the pillar of
Speaker 3: so much online. But you know, I think he's a
Speaker 3: I think he is a MAGA adjacent conspiracy theorist Kremlin
Speaker 3: Stan and he can just go.
Speaker 1: I can just picture you pulling up, just the car
Speaker 1: pull up for the gore. I am time to go. Look.
Speaker 1: I think he feels to me like worn out as
Speaker 1: welcome and the other thing that it should be that
Speaker 1: was a long time ago. But here's the other thing
Speaker 1: as well. He is actually going to face trial. He's
Speaker 1: not going to Russia. Where if you face trial in Russia, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a bit questionable, right, Yeah, you're up against it.
Speaker 1: But he is going to face trial and he still
Speaker 1: has a chance to defend himself, and.
Speaker 4: He's got the money for some pretty good lawyers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in his shows, mind,
Speaker 1: you would you?
Speaker 4: I mean, I just can't believe how long this has
Speaker 4: been going on. I mean, look when this was started,
Speaker 4: I was in primary school. My goodness, is it really
Speaker 4: it's been that long?
Speaker 1: Holy moly.
Speaker 4: But the thing that gets me, okay, it's not over yet.
Speaker 2: You know, I've read a little bit about this.
Speaker 4: You know, some of the top lawyers in the country
Speaker 4: have said that there is still a review that can
Speaker 4: go through. In these reviews, it's not a sort of
Speaker 4: full thing. He can't appel it because it's not a
Speaker 4: judicial decision, it's from the minister. But you can still
Speaker 4: you can take a review and those sometimes take six months.
Speaker 4: So like I mean, don't go to the airport too
Speaker 4: quickly and do the pick up Joe, because it's it's
Speaker 4: going to take a while.
Speaker 3: That've got rid of that stop waiting zone, haven't they.
Speaker 1: Actually you might have to pay we're in primary school
Speaker 1: back and then literally in primary school. Holy moley.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know something that I am read
Speaker 3: about him dot com. I think it's true, Like I've
Speaker 3: read it in quite a few places. He used to
Speaker 3: be the number one Call of Duty player in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 3: Possibly he looks like the person you'd expect to be
Speaker 3: the number one Call of Judy player in the world,
Speaker 3: doesn't it.
Speaker 4: You better watch out when you call up he might
Speaker 4: be sort of like he might have really got into
Speaker 4: and be like, you know, armed to the teeth with
Speaker 4: like you know, laser guns or something.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Look, yeah, I don't think he's gone yet, look
Speaker 1: at it that way. Look Auckland's new alcohol rules. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised we haven't got on to this earlier.
Speaker 1: But the Auckland Council they've got to choose a date
Speaker 1: for these new rules. But it's going to mean no
Speaker 1: alcohol trading after nine o'clock, which until it's eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would have almost made it earlier. But
Speaker 1: at least someone's doing something about that. The late purchase
Speaker 1: of alcohol off licenses. Brad.
Speaker 4: So I have to be a little bit careful here
Speaker 4: because I'm on the Wellington District Licensing Committee which make
Speaker 4: some of these decisions. So full disclosure there. I think
Speaker 4: that's important. But long story short, this has been through
Speaker 4: community consultation and similar, so you know, this is what
Speaker 4: the people have have asked for, and I think you
Speaker 4: know that that's an important part of it. I mean, geez,
Speaker 4: just effective time that it takes so long, you know,
Speaker 4: shows the importance of the legal and the judicial systems
Speaker 4: and similar. But look, that's what the people have asked for,
Speaker 4: and that is what the click to viewers. Then that's happening.
Speaker 1: How do you end up on the what is it?
Speaker 1: I'm a real, I'm a I have You've got fingers
Speaker 1: in all sorts of part.
Speaker 4: I'm just instead of instead of having you know, friends
Speaker 4: and you know, other fun activities, I spend my time
Speaker 4: doing doing these sorts of things. They're worthwhile, but nobody's
Speaker 4: simple sent to Oh gosh, no, no, goodness, no, no.
Speaker 4: We have to make the decisions on who gets licenses
Speaker 4: and similar when they get contested.
Speaker 1: Actually funny enough, I actually got a sample sent to
Speaker 1: me today of some company that's doing like crafted cocktails.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought of that just now,
Speaker 1: probably because I just arrived when we're talking about boost Anyway, Joe,
Speaker 1: look I'm.
Speaker 3: Very pro you know, I'm really struck. I live right
Speaker 3: on the edge of a trusts area in Auckland, and
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not pro the trust so I've definitely,
Speaker 3: you know, gone against them when it's possible to go
Speaker 3: against them. But you know, you don't have to move
Speaker 3: far in Auckland before you go through suburbs where the
Speaker 3: number of off licenses is out of control. And the
Speaker 3: only thing I've heard people say against this decision is
Speaker 3: you know, oh, well, what about hospital workers or shift workers.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, you know that's true. You know
Speaker 3: that might be an inconvenience to them, but they will
Speaker 3: just if they are, like I want to get home
Speaker 3: and have a glass of wine, they will go earlier
Speaker 3: to get a bottle of wine because they're responsible drinkers.
Speaker 3: Or you know, if you're a responsible drinker, you'll just
Speaker 3: change your behavior. And so this is going to affect
Speaker 3: irresponsible drinkers who are making bad choices. And in my youth,
Speaker 3: I might have done that a few times. Or you've
Speaker 3: been out laid, you've had a bit to drink. You
Speaker 3: think the thing I want now is a bit more
Speaker 3: to drink.
Speaker 1: I've been a tearful teenager rafter being jilted after I've
Speaker 1: had too many beers. I think that was absolutely tragic.
Speaker 1: But I'm all for raising the age to twenty two.
Speaker 1: By the way, that probably means you can't drink, though brown.
Speaker 2: Not by me.
Speaker 4: I don't drink anyway, so that least I was safer
Speaker 4: for me anyway.
Speaker 3: But well, I remember the age being twenty, you know,
Speaker 3: when I was growing up it was, and I do think,
Speaker 3: you know, alcohol is a drug. But what I'd say
Speaker 3: to that my nieces and nephews now, who I'm skewing
Speaker 3: that teenage age, I do think they've got a much
Speaker 3: more responsible attitude than I would have had at the
Speaker 3: same age. I think they they just seem to see
Speaker 3: alcohol as not being a very important part of their life,
Speaker 3: and that I think is what I'd like to see
Speaker 3: with the generation coming through.
Speaker 1: My daughter had an assignment. Actually they're doing a thing
Speaker 1: on alcohol at school. She's thirteen, and she had to
Speaker 1: pick a stance as to whether to raise the age
Speaker 1: to twenty and I sort of had a look whether
Speaker 1: they're on her homework and things like that, and I thought, actually,
Speaker 1: you've made a really good case here. Think I'm going
Speaker 1: to go with the raise it to twenty because but anyway,
Speaker 1: it's not really the quiet the issue. But good on
Speaker 1: Auckland Council at least for getting on top of that.
Speaker 1: Now over to you guys in Wellington, Brad. But anyway,
Speaker 1: no comment from Brad Olsen. We'll be back in just
Speaker 1: a moment. We're going to take a short break and
Speaker 1: up next. Oh gosh, I don't think I'm ready for
Speaker 1: another epidemic, and don't worry, we haven't got one. But
Speaker 1: I do get a little bit nervous when the World
Speaker 1: Health Organization is talking about global health emergencies with regard
Speaker 1: to EMPOS. We'll just touch on that briefly and so
Speaker 1: hopefully reassure ourselves that it's not as bad as my
Speaker 1: pulse rate it would have indicated when I first read
Speaker 1: the story. It is twenty two minutes to four news talks.
Speaker 5: He'd buy Thanks Curning Sun by myself, joy, helself pity
Speaker 5: every week.
Speaker 1: Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm sim Beverige,
Speaker 1: my panelist Joe mccarell, and Brad Olsen, who's busting a
Speaker 1: few moves in the studio as we speak with that
Speaker 1: wonderful Chune. I just like perpetuating that myth that he's
Speaker 1: a dancer, So we'll just keep it up. But anyway,
Speaker 1: surely there's worse things that I can get renowned for.
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, it's a joyful thing. Look, I must
Speaker 1: say it did catch my attention this world. I can
Speaker 1: hardly say. The World Health Organization has declared an EMPOS
Speaker 1: global health emergence. It's formerly known as monkey pox. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what sounds worse, empox and monkey pox. It's
Speaker 1: killed about four hundred and fifty people during its initial outbreak,
Speaker 1: and there's been cases identified in Sweden and Pakistan. Look,
Speaker 1: I just trust the World Health Organization and that it
Speaker 1: comes to getting on top of things with regards to
Speaker 1: keep detecting things at the border health and just putting
Speaker 1: in place the right sort of precautions that hopefully it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that there are diseases all the time.
Speaker 1: But it did make maybe to think, oh God, I'm
Speaker 1: not really ready for another one. Joe, what are you think?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And I think there's a
Speaker 3: real risk. I think this is an example of it
Speaker 3: where you know, this is a problem that has been
Speaker 3: affecting different nations across Africa four years, you know, and
Speaker 3: now this new variant has emerged. I think we've all
Speaker 3: learned in the last few years that you know, airborne
Speaker 3: diseases do not respect your geographical border. So there's a
Speaker 3: real risk to these diseases which are happening in the
Speaker 3: global South where there's no research, no funding, no interest,
Speaker 3: you know from the pharmaceutical industry, and just letting them circulate.
Speaker 3: And so you hope that this decision by the WHO
Speaker 3: will lead to more sort of action, you know, because.
Speaker 4: Get a bit more focused, from a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Focused, a little bit more interest, because you know, these
Speaker 3: things are left to circulate in a population where there
Speaker 3: is less access to vaccines, less access to primary health,
Speaker 3: and it's a risk to anything affecting anything that is
Speaker 3: a risk to humanity is a risk to all of humanity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we've seen how quickly it moves, right, you know,
Speaker 4: when when COVID came through, it went from the novel
Speaker 4: coronavirus in China, when I you know, we were talking
Speaker 4: just to it, but most of January, right, most of generary,
Speaker 4: even most of February, we were thinking about that is
Speaker 4: a outside issue. We're worried about our exports and similar
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden it was very much
Speaker 4: at home. I mean, this has got a case totalor
Speaker 4: rate of four percent, so you know that's definitely getting
Speaker 4: serious enough, and they reckon it's a it's sort of
Speaker 4: a more virulent strain that's going around at the moment.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, definitely definitely a worry, but equally,
Speaker 4: I think we're probably a little bit at the moment
Speaker 4: to overreact a little bit things, so call the jets.
Speaker 1: But there was actually there was quite a good piece
Speaker 1: on Reuters, I think, just saying what does actually mean
Speaker 1: for us generally? And it's sort of like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where it's like, but
Speaker 1: will it affect me? Which sounds kind of selfish, but
Speaker 1: to be honest, we all have that. Yeah, you do
Speaker 1: hope that it stays sort of where it is.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the fata OR has come
Speaker 3: out pretty clearly and said the risky New Zealand is
Speaker 3: very low. There is a vaccine, that vaccine is available.
Speaker 1: Oh god, right, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that's the case. Now if you just think,
Speaker 3: oh well, thank goodness, that's not going to affect me
Speaker 3: or people I know. You're actually just keeping risk for
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 1: Well, just think of other international stories. I look, North
Speaker 1: Korea is opening its borders to tourists. They've actually got
Speaker 1: ski resorts. A ski resort there. There's a socialist utopia
Speaker 1: I think they're built, which is some I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I have pronounce it Samgion, a city near the Chinese border.
Speaker 4: As soon as you say that you've built a socialist utopia,
Speaker 4: I question it, like I mean, it's one of those
Speaker 4: things when people like I'm the coolest person ever. It's like,
Speaker 4: I question how cool you are because of the fact
Speaker 4: you have to tell me about it. Says that it's
Speaker 4: not marketing itself very well.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a red flag for a nation to
Speaker 3: even claim.
Speaker 1: I think, would you go? Looks I had Heather was
Speaker 1: talking about in haf She was saying how she'd love
Speaker 1: to go, she wished she'd take I think she had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to take it a while ago. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember. But there's no way I would
Speaker 1: go because if you sneezed in the wrong direction, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you detained and I think I'd rather
Speaker 1: go to Paris.
Speaker 3: Well, I was sort of thinking about that when I
Speaker 3: saw the headlines. You know, I'd definitely rather go to Paris.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess you sort of think to yourself, well,
Speaker 3: if you go, is the money that you're spending going
Speaker 3: to prop up a regime that you do not in
Speaker 3: any way support, that is not looking after its own people.
Speaker 3: But I mean, to be honest, I think it's I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Can make that argument about the US. Sometimes even about the.
Speaker 3: US, you could make that argument, but all sorts of
Speaker 3: places where I've been, I've been to places I would
Speaker 3: say that that those governments have committed a trustees.
Speaker 1: I think if you've I think, if you've traveled extensively
Speaker 1: and you've been to all the so many exotic destinations
Speaker 1: and you're looking for a unique experience, then maybe you
Speaker 1: might look at it. But to me, I think it
Speaker 1: would be probably about one hundred and fiftieth on my
Speaker 1: on my list.
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, as you say, Tom, it's
Speaker 3: not that I don't love to travel. I don't have
Speaker 3: to see your places. But I guess my feeling is
Speaker 3: it would you would see a very carefully curated version.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's totally it's totally myth they present you
Speaker 1: with it. I think they've even got people who are
Speaker 1: pretending they're happy.
Speaker 2: And it's a socialist what do you mean?
Speaker 3: And so you think it'd be a pretty depressing and
Speaker 3: soul sucking place, you know, that's just not what you
Speaker 3: look for in your holiday destination.
Speaker 4: Definitely, but I mean the fascination level of having, you know,
Speaker 4: effectively hermit kingdom out there. This is my thing and
Speaker 4: I've talked to friends about it, and there is a
Speaker 4: very large part of me that would love to go
Speaker 4: because it would just be fair scinating, because that is
Speaker 4: not something that I've seen or experienced or are likely
Speaker 4: to see an experience in my lifetime. But the risk
Speaker 4: factor is that bit that really holds me back and
Speaker 4: I go, you know, and you would, you would be
Speaker 4: on your best behavior. I'd ask the guide person every
Speaker 4: time I want to take a photo, is it all right?
Speaker 4: Take a photo of this and that? But they'd still
Speaker 4: be that part of you in the back of your
Speaker 4: mind going could I be taken effectively, you know, hostage
Speaker 4: through the system to be used for some sort of.
Speaker 3: Leveraging do something. It might just be I mean maybe
Speaker 3: not as in New Zealander. We're not probably the political
Speaker 3: pawns where people use for political leverage. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think anyone on an American passport should think twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. You could go to stage five of
Speaker 1: your career very quickly. Do you want to know what
Speaker 1: the five stages through? It's no, there's five stages to
Speaker 1: a showba's career. The first is who is Brad Olsen?
Speaker 1: The second is, oh, what we I think I think
Speaker 1: we really need? Maybe I've missed a stage who is
Speaker 1: Brad Olson? And then do you think we should hire
Speaker 1: brad Olsen for this?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Then the third stages do you think we can possibly
Speaker 1: afford brad Olsen? And actually it's four stages? The other
Speaker 1: is whatever happened to Brad Owl's?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so you reckon? I is that because I'm
Speaker 4: gonna like become irrelevant to death.
Speaker 1: Point as what we need as a younger brad Olsen
Speaker 1: he's sitting there. And then the fifth stages whatever happened
Speaker 1: to Brad Olson? Anyway, that's just my chance to tell
Speaker 1: very bad Shopa's joke.
Speaker 4: I would probably back Winston Peters's finance minister to come
Speaker 4: and you know, so sort of broke some sort of
Speaker 4: deal he's been I'm sure, but it wasn't either in
Speaker 4: like two thousand and five or something like. I reckon
Speaker 4: he could broke or a deal using some back channels
Speaker 4: for you if it ever went wrong off for any
Speaker 4: New Zealander.
Speaker 1: So it will be like the panel for a while.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his suckings North Korea anyway, we'll be
Speaker 1: back in just the moment. It's twelve minutes to four
Speaker 1: news Talk z B and welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1: This is the panel with the mccarell and Brad Olson.
Speaker 1: I'm Tim Beverage. Now just the one last thing. Boy,
Speaker 1: there'll be a bit of pressure on the All Blacks
Speaker 1: match today, won't they. Brad, You've come up for the match,
Speaker 1: haven't you.
Speaker 4: I have come up for the match. I was there
Speaker 4: last weekend, smallest All Blacks crowd to ever fill Wispec
Speaker 4: Stadium since it was built. You have to go back
Speaker 4: to the likes of two thousand and two. I think
Speaker 4: it was when the All Blecks played Fiji, or to
Speaker 4: Athletic Park in ninety ninety seven, when the All Blecks
Speaker 4: took on Argentina as well twenty five thousand. Now, to
Speaker 4: be fair, that's because normally we don't have teams like
Speaker 4: Argentina play at Wispet. But there's a lot to be
Speaker 4: made up for tonight.
Speaker 1: That was a huge Actually I didn't You didn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: have noticed in watching the game, but you could see
Speaker 1: it in the anthems with these massive banks of yellows,
Speaker 1: empty yellow seats.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: God, it makes you feel sorry for the real true
Speaker 3: fans or revealed themselves now though, won't they bred?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: So I was talking to someone before and apparently with
Speaker 4: thirty eight thousand, I'm just going to keep going for
Speaker 4: a second before I'm ripped into one thousand tickets that
Speaker 4: have been sold for tonight's match, which would be pretty
Speaker 4: pretty decent for Argentina.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of rain out there at the moment.
Speaker 1: I know someone who bought tickets to the match. He's
Speaker 1: not going because it's raining.
Speaker 4: Can you believe it? Can you believe that, Brad? That
Speaker 4: wouldn't be you would it? All I could say is
Speaker 4: that someone who does have a couple of tickets. I'm
Speaker 4: going to assess the rain after we finish this hair show.
Speaker 2: Just to figure out. Look, it's pouring out there when
Speaker 2: I came in for the show before. This saturated by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: Actually that'll be because as an economist you make you
Speaker 1: make cost conscious decisions. And you haven't purchased in the stand,
Speaker 1: have you? Are you?
Speaker 4: I'm absolutely down in the middle. Why I would get flooded?
Speaker 4: I would, I would half drown, I think in the
Speaker 4: seats tonight if the rain was at the volumes.
Speaker 1: You want me to call out for people to text No,
Speaker 1: that'll be a flood of Now.
Speaker 4: That'll be way too difficult. But I mean, look, there's
Speaker 4: still a good enough chance I go. But I've got
Speaker 4: to be a little bit. I'm just I'm not fully sold.
Speaker 3: No, fair enough, not fully waterproof, fully.
Speaker 1: Waterproof, by the way, is it Do we know if
Speaker 1: it's do we know if it's sold out?
Speaker 2: It's not signed out.
Speaker 4: So it's forty five thousand odd seats in Eden Park.
Speaker 4: And I think I heard before that ticket sales were
Speaker 4: around that sort of thirty eight ish mark.
Speaker 1: I'm quite I'm actually quite shocked at that, because I
Speaker 1: would have thought that every all black test at Eden
Speaker 1: Park would sell out, and especially for an opposition where
Speaker 1: you know, it's Raisers had his first loss, not the
Speaker 1: Caketon's first loss. Of course. Gosh, it's all black Sava.
Speaker 4: Thirty plus years raither Needle Park. If we lose tonight,
Speaker 4: it's huge.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually going to be tuning in just for
Speaker 1: that reason. Oh, I like Raiser. Although I have to
Speaker 1: be honest, it didn't rock. It didn't ruin me that
Speaker 1: they lost because I was so into the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Joe, Yeah, I think our Olympic. Let's focus on her
Speaker 3: wins at the Olympic.
Speaker 4: I thought it was just because everyone was really like
Speaker 4: jazzed up watching Raygun.
Speaker 1: Ah, that story still hasn't that story is still going,
Speaker 1: isn't it old Raygun? I'm not sure. I've heard a
Speaker 1: fulsome rebuttal about whether she got there by slightly easier
Speaker 1: means than we would have expected. I still haven't been
Speaker 1: able to watch her full routine. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you don't know what we're talking about, did New.
Speaker 4: Zealand have an option to put in a break dancer?
Speaker 4: We put in someone I haven't heard this yet.
Speaker 3: In the breaking No, and that was our one shot too.
Speaker 1: Like seriously, I started to watch that Route ten and
Speaker 1: it was so bad. I couldn't be. I cringed, and
Speaker 1: I thought, I can't watch any more of this.
Speaker 4: Do you know what good break dancing looks like? Though
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm going to be fully fully transparent. I don't,
Speaker 4: so I don't know what's supposed to look good, beat
Speaker 4: or otherwise. I'm not an expert in that field. I
Speaker 4: try some dancing on the dance floor, but it's not
Speaker 4: very good either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I know what reasonably good breakdancing would
Speaker 1: look like. Even though you don't ask me to bust
Speaker 1: the movies. I'll leave that over to you, Brad. Actually
Speaker 1: we all became experts, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Well, that is my Olympic journey. I start with like
Speaker 3: could it really have been four years? And then I
Speaker 3: get to benign a disinterest, and then I'm like a
Speaker 3: complete expert in every sport and I'm opining like little
Speaker 3: comments on the judges decisions.
Speaker 4: From I was yelling out a lot when Eliza mccathey
Speaker 4: was doing her pull vault final in that I was.
Speaker 4: I was one hundred percent behind, and I thought that
Speaker 4: her coming in at six place was actually a pretty
Speaker 4: good result in a pretty.
Speaker 1: There's two signs that I'm having bad withdrawal symptoms. One
Speaker 1: is on Sky on the app you can still go
Speaker 1: watch things, and I'm still watching events. And the other
Speaker 1: sign is that I'm still talking about right now.
Speaker 3: We do have we do have the Paralympics coming up,
Speaker 3: and I think that is an incredible an incredible vision,
Speaker 3: incredible athletes, you know, and I think it'd be great
Speaker 3: to see you only get behind it as much as
Speaker 3: we do get behind the Olympics totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and of course Brad, you have to leave
Speaker 1: the studios. Are you walking to the rugby And it's
Speaker 1: a bit weird.
Speaker 4: As if anyone's got a kayak and might catch one down?
Speaker 1: Oh good, good stuff. Hey and Joe, Thanks Rick, lovely
Speaker 1: to see you again. And Joe McCarroll. Brad Olsen. Actually,
Speaker 1: good luck to the All Blacks, you know. And I
Speaker 1: won't raise her to do well, so fingers.
Speaker 3: Christ they can cope with the weather yet.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean that was fine. I mean they
Speaker 1: do it for a living, you know, you go to
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