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Speaker 2: Hello all you great New Zealanders, Welcome into podcast one

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Speaker 2: eighty one eighty Far Out Time Flies. So no met today.

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Speaker 3: Matt is.

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Speaker 2: He had some surgery. But when you're listening to this,

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Speaker 2: hopefully it was thumbs up for him. He's been waiting

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Speaker 2: a long time for that. Nothing to be too concerned about.

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Speaker 2: But he well, he actually turned up for the first hour.

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Speaker 2: So when he turned up here, how are you doing here?

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 2: You got surgery today. But that's the sort of workhourse

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Speaker 2: he is. And it was a great show today. So

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Speaker 2: we talked about myth amphetamin testing and had a guy

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Speaker 2: but a lot of pushback on the regulations around myth testing.

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Speaker 2: Then we talked about Winnie Peters and the high version

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Speaker 2: of you didn't see that. He had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a standoff with the head of CRL about wearing his

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Speaker 2: high vision, and then that turned into a great discussion

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Speaker 2: about how safety, whether that's gone mad, and then some

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Speaker 2: great stories about those who've worked in the Australian minds

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Speaker 2: and done the old Fifo hard yacker but good money.

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Speaker 2: It's a great show. Download, subscribe and give us a

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Monday's show. Hope

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Speaker 2: you had a fantastic weekend whatever you did in this

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Speaker 2: beautiful country of ours. Now it's just me today. Matt

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Speaker 2: is off this afternoon. He's back tomorrow. A bit of

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Speaker 2: planned surgery he's been waiting on. But the workhorse even

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Speaker 2: turned up this morning and help put the show together.

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Speaker 2: So all the very best mate for your surgery this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: and all going well. He will be back tomorrow on

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Speaker 2: to today's show. It is a doozy as it always

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Speaker 2: is after three o'clock. Great story about a Kiwi guy

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Speaker 2: who over to Perth to work in the mines under

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Speaker 2: from his work site in Western Australia, after telling his

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Speaker 2: superintendent that if he went back into his room he

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Speaker 2: breakdown for him. Long hours, it was big money, but

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Speaker 2: loss of connection and a lot of drinking. So we

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Speaker 2: the mines working in the mines operation, or you've done

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Speaker 2: the FIFO. It has been tilted as an easy way

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Speaker 2: But is the hype maybe a little bit talked up

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Speaker 2: when it comes to FIFO that is after three o'clock,

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Speaker 2: after two o'clock. Winston Peters and safety jackets. You may

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Speaker 2: have seen this on Friday. Rail Minister Winston Peters he

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand First Leader asked, I quote, what do

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Speaker 2: I need to wear that when presented with an orange

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Speaker 2: don't need. So that was a hell of an exchange

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Speaker 2: But we want to have a chat about health and

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Speaker 2: about meth testing. So it has cost former Auckland Mayor

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Speaker 2: famous report you might have seen this. This was some

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Speaker 2: you have been stung after renting out a property and

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Speaker 2: then you found that the tenants were using methamfetamine and

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Speaker 2: to decontaminate that property. But here's a little bit of

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Speaker 5: It's hard to know why New Zealand probably has the

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Speaker 5: worst statistics for meth am fatamine. It's easy to manufacture.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about somebody whose house was used as a

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Speaker 2: You were there at that time.

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Speaker 5: No, no, I wasn't there.

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Speaker 5: It just cost me one hundred and sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: Was that they had kids in that house and the

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Speaker 2: So that was phil goth story one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: When we rented out our place down in christ Jute,

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Speaker 2: experts would say after that famous Sir Peter Kluckman report

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about meth

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Speaker 2: you hear your stories if you've been hit before when

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And we talk about this

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Speaker 2: that meth testing is only recommended where meth lab activity

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Speaker 2: or heavy use is suspected. And there'd be a lot

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Speaker 2: lot of money for meth testing when they've rented out

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Speaker 2: we just spent three hundred dollars having meth testing in

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Speaker 2: Because if it isn't going to be a meth lab situation,

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Speaker 2: they discovered that their tenants were using a lot of

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Speaker 2: through here, Tyler, you do not need inspections for rentals.

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Speaker 2: You can buy myth sensors that're going to a home

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Speaker 2: happens when one of those sensors kick off potential meth

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Speaker 2: them out? Love to hear more? Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Susan And

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Speaker 2: how are you and what's your take on the myth testing?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Look, I think it's It's part of healthy homes, really,

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Speaker 2: Yes, there is an element to it. And I've got

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Speaker 2: property manager. The property manager gave us a choice and

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Speaker 2: meth testing. But as we understood it, and as I

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Speaker 2: the report, and that report effectively meant that once our

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Speaker 2: detected after that, we're not liable. We could show that

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Speaker 2: it was perfectly clean before they moved in correct.

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Speaker 4: And you know, for the price, the price of what

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Speaker 4: it is, I get our houses done through Myth Solutions,

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Speaker 4: a fantastic service. Great you can ring up and have

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Speaker 4: a conversation with them. I would suspect that none of

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Speaker 4: and post tenancy. So and the Glutman report actually increased

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Speaker 4: no reason for that. But as a landlord, if I

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Speaker 4: That never had been stay as over the composite average.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's a peace of mind. I mean a lot

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Speaker 2: that's still covered by insurance. So the idea of paying

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'd say that part of having your sept a

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Speaker 2: So good, You're a good landlord, Susan, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: fetamine use. But in general, the danger to people with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you don't if you don't test, you

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Speaker 4: So you know, you know, you just have to have

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Speaker 2: Yep, Suzan, really nice to hear from you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much forget van us A barz O eight hundred

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Speaker 2: hear from you if you've had issues with metham fetamine

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Speaker 2: And again this goes back to the fear and freak

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Speaker 2: it wasn't minimal, but even significant use of methamphetamine in

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Speaker 2: Does that sound right to you? Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 8: Ministers in the studio and like I've just come from TVNZ.

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Speaker 8: They said they'd take you for some predy treasure roll.

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Speaker 1: Oh they did today.

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Speaker 4: I said, I don't think you'll survive if I enter,

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Speaker 6: I've got a one eye.

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Speaker 9: You'd be hopeless at it.

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Speaker 2: You'd come in here.

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Speaker 9: Well, no, no, you're going to help me with all

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Speaker 8: It's nice you're going to give it a go, but

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Speaker 8: I can't see your surviving without your pig screen TV. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 8: Hipkins was alluding to the fact he may well run

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Speaker 8: was quite alarmed about. You had Chloe Swarbrook's name. She

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you, just Tyler, and today Matt

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Speaker 2: from Matt to Nasville one? So we'll get one of

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Speaker 2: talking about meth and fetamine testing, know it? Eight hundred

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Speaker 2: this morning, Nettie spend one hundred sixty thousand dollars renovating

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Speaker 2: So a couple of questions there. One, generally meth testing

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Speaker 2: We spent three hundred bucks before we rented our property out.

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Speaker 2: Is it really needed? On the back of the Sir

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Speaker 2: Peter Gluckman report that mentioned it wasn't needed unless there's

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call Graham. You used

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Speaker 11: Yeah, man, a couple of points on that. The lady

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Speaker 11: That's going to one extreme, But that's the way it

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Speaker 11: So that's one of the severe dangers that you'll have

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Speaker 2: So and this is good too to chat with you, Graham,

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Speaker 2: because you used to do this. But I'm just reading

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Speaker 11: What do you call heavy use?

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Speaker 11: Well I did a heavy use property and the level

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Speaker 11: Yeah, unless your test, you're not going to know. So

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Speaker 11: it's got to be tested full stop. So if you

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Speaker 9: To move out.

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Speaker 11: But the thing is you and at cost is what

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Speaker 11: sometimes you'll there was a couple of houses we did.

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Speaker 11: We had the jib board had to be taken off

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Speaker 11: over fifteen. So that's how far it can go. In

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Speaker 11: carp it's got to go repail or cleaning first, then repainting.

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Speaker 11: of them that was done for I think their quotes

437
00:21:54,053 --> 00:21:57,053
Speaker 11: came in between fifteen and twenty I suppose right, was

438
00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:58,493
Speaker 11: that that was the average back then.

439
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Speaker 2: So what is the danger if there is a home

440
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Speaker 2: at those high levels and if it's got children or

441
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Speaker 2: actually people that they don't know that there was heavy

442
00:22:07,253 --> 00:22:10,853
Speaker 2: use mithuse with an that property. What are the health concerns?

443
00:22:10,893 --> 00:22:12,853
Speaker 2: Is it at lung issues? Is it across the board?

444
00:22:12,933 --> 00:22:15,253
Speaker 2: Is that? What would be the big dangers there?

445
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Speaker 11: And you've got to think about pets as well, not

446
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Speaker 11: just kids. There was one lady we were dealing with

447
00:22:23,413 --> 00:22:28,693
Speaker 11: now at Morinsville on a farm property. Her young daughter

448
00:22:28,933 --> 00:22:33,493
Speaker 11: was actually airlifted hospital twice with respiratory issues and they

449
00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:36,653
Speaker 11: couldn't work out what it was until we were board

450
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Speaker 11: into test and we found the levels in the house.

451
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Speaker 11: So most testing is done on the walls. You know,

452
00:22:43,533 --> 00:22:46,973
Speaker 11: it's very hard to test on the carpet, so you

453
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Speaker 11: do on the walls. And here's another thing. You might

454
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Speaker 11: get one a landlord, for example, will get one agency

455
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Speaker 11: into test and then they might not get that same

456
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Speaker 11: agency back.

457
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Speaker 13: To do the second test.

458
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Speaker 11: But unless it's photographic evidence that we've done that testing from,

459
00:23:03,053 --> 00:23:05,493
Speaker 11: you've got no benchmark as to whether or not their

460
00:23:05,573 --> 00:23:12,052
Speaker 11: decontamination has been effective. Close to a window. The testing

461
00:23:12,093 --> 00:23:14,253
Speaker 11: should be close to a window because that was where

462
00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:17,093
Speaker 11: air movement is greatest. So it could do one in

463
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Speaker 11: the middle of the wall, down the hall or something

464
00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,173
Speaker 11: like that, you're not going to get the same sort

465
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Speaker 11: of reading as if you would next to a door. Yeah,

466
00:23:22,813 --> 00:23:24,733
Speaker 11: there's all those sort of things that need to be done.

467
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Speaker 11: And you're write about the cowboys. There were so many

468
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Speaker 11: of them around who were doing it for cap price.

469
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Speaker 11: That's one of the reasons we've got out of it,

470
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Speaker 11: because the credibility of the agency's doing the testing that

471
00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:37,613
Speaker 11: were shot when that report came out, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were charging big money for it, and

473
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Speaker 2: people were a bit confused, and the differing standards and regulations.

474
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Speaker 2: I don't think there were standards back then, right, so

475
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Speaker 2: that they could come in and if they got a reading,

476
00:23:48,173 --> 00:23:50,693
Speaker 2: even if it was very small, that would freak out

477
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Speaker 2: homeowners and say jeepers, yep, we better do something here,

478
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Speaker 2: when in reality it just wasn't an issue for most people,

479
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Speaker 2: for most people during those times.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you'll find the jury's out on the

481
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Speaker 11: Glackman report. He is a it's obviously a scientist. Applications

482
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Speaker 11: and everything that I could show you also a number

483
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Speaker 11: of scientists who have got a completely different opinion.

484
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Speaker 2: Right, Graham, Really good to chat with you. Thank you

485
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Speaker 2: very much for giving us a buzz. Love to hear

486
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Speaker 2: your thoughts. All right. Hundred eighty ten eighty is the

487
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Speaker 2: number call coming up after headlines, We're going to have

488
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Speaker 2: a chat with a gentleman who was the pioneer of

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Speaker 2: meth testing industry. So this will be good headlines coming.

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Speaker 14: Up new talks be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 14: no trouble with the blue bubble. A committee of former

492
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Speaker 14: MPs is holding its first hearing on the pay equity

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Speaker 14: bill rush through Parliament under urgency to free money for

494
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Speaker 14: this year's budget. They suggest it could tarnish New Zealand

495
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Speaker 14: in the eyes of the world. On upholding the rule

496
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Speaker 14: of law, a call for more police reinforcements in Northland,

497
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Speaker 14: where out of town offices have been brought in for

498
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Speaker 14: five week shifts alongside a rash of violent crime. South

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Speaker 14: Auckland's Aerie College has come out of lockdown after aggressive

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Speaker 14: adults entered the grass this morning. The Papa Toy Toy

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Speaker 14: Schools says staff escorted them away with art incident and

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Speaker 14: says parents shouldn't turn up and all students are safe.

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Speaker 14: Mystery surrounds the death of fifty nine year old Leanne

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Speaker 14: ray Davis in Auckland's Parnell last Thursday, found inside a

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Speaker 14: Craycraft Street apartment, bost Morton, was inconclusive and the debt's

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Speaker 14: still under investigation. Moor laser pointer attacks on aircraft and

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Speaker 14: more devices intercepted read more at nzed Harold Premium back

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Speaker 14: to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jody. We are talking about myth

510
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Speaker 2: testing after Phil Goff mentioned to Ryan Bridge on the

511
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Speaker 2: Herald Now that he's spent one hundred and sixty thousand

512
00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:52,853
Speaker 2: dollars decontaminating and renovating a property that was discovered to

513
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Speaker 2: have been or had a p lab operating in it.

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Speaker 2: So love to hear from you on eight hundred and

515
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty the idea of myth testing. And we've

516
00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:04,373
Speaker 2: been talking about the Sir Peter Gluckman report that was

517
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Speaker 2: released in twenty eighteen, and I'll just reduce some of

518
00:26:07,093 --> 00:26:08,733
Speaker 2: his comments that he made at the time. So the

519
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,813
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's Chief Science Advisor as he was in twenty eighteen,

520
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Speaker 2: says he cannot see the point in testing homes for

521
00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:17,493
Speaker 2: methamphetamine because the risk to health is so low in

522
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Speaker 2: most cases. So he produced that report for then Housing

523
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Speaker 2: Minister Phil Twinevit and he says there's no evidence that

524
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Speaker 2: third hand exposure from methamphetamine smoking causes adverse health effects.

525
00:26:28,413 --> 00:26:32,253
Speaker 2: So the third party exposure of the third hand exposure

526
00:26:32,453 --> 00:26:35,933
Speaker 2: is effectively when it's settled into the drapes and the

527
00:26:36,013 --> 00:26:38,933
Speaker 2: carpets and the curtains, and that report found there was

528
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Speaker 2: no adverse health effects. So is it all a bit

529
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Speaker 2: of a have Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: is the number to call Todd. Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: How are you going good? Now, you're a good man

533
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Speaker 2: to chat to. You are one of the pioneers of

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Speaker 2: meth testing in New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: No, I am the pioneer of meth testing in New Zealand,

536
00:26:57,413 --> 00:27:00,653
Speaker 16: right and yeah, And we have a problem in New

537
00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:05,453
Speaker 16: Zealand and it's growing. After the third Peter Buttman report,

538
00:27:06,253 --> 00:27:09,693
Speaker 16: a lot of people stop testing and now we're seeing

539
00:27:09,853 --> 00:27:13,533
Speaker 16: a large portion of what we're testing coming back positive.

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Speaker 16: The contamination throughout New Zealand is really bad and it's

541
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Speaker 16: impacting families. The government has lost control at this stage.

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Speaker 16: The only option that I see is continuing testing. Yeah,

543
00:27:30,173 --> 00:27:35,013
Speaker 16: it's just it's major. It's just the impact is unbelievable.

544
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Speaker 16: When I started in twenty twelve, I didn't think it

545
00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:42,453
Speaker 16: was a major problem. Back then, twenty percent of houses

546
00:27:42,493 --> 00:27:47,253
Speaker 16: that we randomly came back positive. Now it's eighty six percent.

547
00:27:48,013 --> 00:27:51,133
Speaker 16: What's happened is because of the Peter Glupment report, a

548
00:27:51,173 --> 00:27:54,893
Speaker 16: lot of people stopped testing and those houses moved through

549
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Speaker 16: the system and they are still contaminated today.

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Speaker 2: So well, let's have a chat about the Peter Gluckman report, because,

551
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Speaker 2: as you said, that did change how a lot of

552
00:28:03,413 --> 00:28:06,173
Speaker 2: people felt about meth testing, but arguably it is still

553
00:28:06,613 --> 00:28:11,093
Speaker 2: quite common with than the residential housing market. Certainly we

554
00:28:11,093 --> 00:28:13,653
Speaker 2: were asked to do that by our property manager, but

555
00:28:13,853 --> 00:28:16,693
Speaker 2: he did say it was a big panic. And you've

556
00:28:16,693 --> 00:28:18,893
Speaker 2: got to say Todd when that first started testing and

557
00:28:18,933 --> 00:28:21,373
Speaker 2: there were a lot of cowboys in the market and

558
00:28:21,933 --> 00:28:24,933
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion about what is a safe level

559
00:28:24,973 --> 00:28:29,053
Speaker 2: and what is a concerning level. There was panic around

560
00:28:29,253 --> 00:28:33,293
Speaker 2: any tiny little bit of methamphetamine that was found during testing.

561
00:28:34,373 --> 00:28:37,573
Speaker 2: Residents and homeowners would freak out that this has been

562
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Speaker 2: causing a massive health issue for them. But that wasn't

563
00:28:39,693 --> 00:28:42,333
Speaker 2: true though, was it. It is to a certain level,

564
00:28:42,373 --> 00:28:45,133
Speaker 2: but most of the homes that that was being picked

565
00:28:45,213 --> 00:28:48,853
Speaker 2: up and then quite expense if remedial work was undertaken.

566
00:28:49,493 --> 00:28:50,253
Speaker 2: That was a have.

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Speaker 16: That's very interesting because when we first action the myth

568
00:28:55,013 --> 00:28:58,853
Speaker 16: testing labs here in New Zealand to analyze the main

569
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Speaker 16: important thing was to determine if it was a lab

570
00:29:02,173 --> 00:29:05,293
Speaker 16: or was it from a residence from smoking, And so

571
00:29:05,533 --> 00:29:08,173
Speaker 16: when we're screening, we're actually not just looking for met

572
00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:12,493
Speaker 16: we're looking for precursors associated with manufacturing and that gives

573
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Speaker 16: us an indication of what's happened over time and how

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Speaker 16: to deal with the property. Everyone talks about it being

575
00:29:21,813 --> 00:29:22,813
Speaker 16: one out of proportion.

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Speaker 17: No.

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00:29:23,773 --> 00:29:26,653
Speaker 16: In twenty and fourteen I went to the Commerce Commission.

578
00:29:26,893 --> 00:29:31,013
Speaker 16: I laid multi complaints that got turned down. In twenty

579
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Speaker 16: sixteen I went to the Prime Minister and the Housing

580
00:29:34,013 --> 00:29:38,093
Speaker 16: Minister and they didn't want to listen. So the end

581
00:29:38,133 --> 00:29:42,253
Speaker 16: results what we had was in action of any regulations,

582
00:29:43,493 --> 00:29:46,373
Speaker 16: there was a vacuum and we had to use what

583
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Speaker 16: was there at the time and the only scientific information

584
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Speaker 16: that we had on limits were the T and ten

585
00:29:54,573 --> 00:29:59,573
Speaker 16: guidelines were clean up the lambs worldwide. When there is

586
00:29:59,813 --> 00:30:05,173
Speaker 16: no regulations, you have to use what is appropriate that

587
00:30:05,213 --> 00:30:09,013
Speaker 16: you can use until the regulations come in. Now, what

588
00:30:09,053 --> 00:30:11,573
Speaker 16: I can tell is it's been over six years since

589
00:30:11,613 --> 00:30:15,893
Speaker 16: the government upment report came out. The end result is

590
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Speaker 16: is that why has it taken six years? And I

591
00:30:18,693 --> 00:30:21,973
Speaker 16: believe that the government is waiting to see what the

592
00:30:22,093 --> 00:30:26,853
Speaker 16: exposure researchers overseas are trying to put together. I think

593
00:30:26,893 --> 00:30:31,453
Speaker 16: the government's moved to fifteen too quick, and you know

594
00:30:31,493 --> 00:30:35,093
Speaker 16: in Australia it's one point five. So yeah, we have

595
00:30:35,173 --> 00:30:39,973
Speaker 16: to be cautious moving forward. Look, any of raising the

596
00:30:40,013 --> 00:30:45,573
Speaker 16: limits is ideal. I agree. Errors can happen in meth testing,

597
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Speaker 16: and when you're dealing at one point five microgram, it

598
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:52,533
Speaker 16: doesn't take much of a technical issue to throw that up,

599
00:30:53,253 --> 00:30:57,293
Speaker 16: you know, over sampling the surface on the paint, that

600
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Speaker 16: can that can elevate readings and yeah, so that's that's

601
00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:04,933
Speaker 16: that's a major problem. I'm actually writing a book called

602
00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:08,173
Speaker 16: The Very Truth about the myth testing Industry and why

603
00:31:08,213 --> 00:31:13,933
Speaker 16: the Government didn't listen to us, And yeah, it's yeah,

604
00:31:14,293 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 16: you know, I think about how I started the industry

605
00:31:16,733 --> 00:31:18,933
Speaker 16: and there was a lot of people that came in

606
00:31:19,133 --> 00:31:24,813
Speaker 16: and just yeah, just caused panic. And I'm ashamed about

607
00:31:24,853 --> 00:31:29,253
Speaker 16: that because you know, I developed the industry, but I

608
00:31:29,333 --> 00:31:34,253
Speaker 16: went to the government. The government didn't listen, and it's

609
00:31:34,253 --> 00:31:37,853
Speaker 16: still not listening and it's quite sad.

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00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:41,973
Speaker 2: But what has changed since Sir Peter Gluckman produced that report,

611
00:31:42,053 --> 00:31:44,293
Speaker 2: because that, to me, Todd is the government listening or

612
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:47,693
Speaker 2: certainly the Chief Science Advisor at the time looking at

613
00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:50,573
Speaker 2: what was going on in the residential market and this

614
00:31:50,773 --> 00:31:54,453
Speaker 2: testing boom that we had and determining I need to

615
00:31:54,453 --> 00:31:57,013
Speaker 2: do an investigation here and figure out is this going

616
00:31:57,093 --> 00:32:00,613
Speaker 2: to have adverse health impacts on people living with this

617
00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:04,173
Speaker 2: sort of methamphetamine detection in their homes. And then he

618
00:32:04,253 --> 00:32:06,413
Speaker 2: came out with that report and said it was overblowing

619
00:32:06,613 --> 00:32:10,293
Speaker 2: and that we at risk with black mold in properties,

620
00:32:10,373 --> 00:32:12,333
Speaker 2: and yes, you can do testing for black mold, but

621
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Speaker 2: not the hysteria around black mold is not to the

622
00:32:15,813 --> 00:32:18,653
Speaker 2: extent that we still have with methanphetamine youth within within

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Speaker 2: a property.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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00:32:20,293 --> 00:32:22,293
Speaker 16: What it comes down is we're not testing, we're not

626
00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:26,613
Speaker 16: defending our assets. And the problem is the housing stock

627
00:32:26,693 --> 00:32:31,413
Speaker 16: is quite contaminated. Now every seven years people paint. We've

628
00:32:31,453 --> 00:32:36,453
Speaker 16: seen contamination under paint and the problem, the problem moving

629
00:32:36,493 --> 00:32:39,773
Speaker 16: forward is the contamination is getting worse now. I talked

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Speaker 16: to house in New Zealand one hundred and ten million

631
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:45,213
Speaker 16: dollars they spent. I went and showed them what the

632
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:48,493
Speaker 16: evidence I had. They didn't listen. They would have listened

633
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Speaker 16: to me. And the end result is the general public

634
00:32:52,813 --> 00:32:57,013
Speaker 16: has really come to a conclusion that yes, they believe

635
00:32:57,053 --> 00:33:00,413
Speaker 16: they've been it's been overstated of the problem. But the

636
00:33:00,493 --> 00:33:03,733
Speaker 16: end result is where was the government in twenty twelve

637
00:33:04,173 --> 00:33:07,413
Speaker 16: the twenty sixteen they just they weren't proactive.

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Speaker 2: Todd really good to get your thoughts. Thank you very much,

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00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:12,453
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling up. What do you say? I eight

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty Do you think methaan fhetamine testing

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00:33:15,733 --> 00:33:18,013
Speaker 2: is still a rought? Have you refused to do it,

642
00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:20,133
Speaker 2: if you have tended in your place out or have

643
00:33:20,253 --> 00:33:22,253
Speaker 2: you been stung when you didn't get a report and

644
00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:24,693
Speaker 2: then found out the tenants we're using methan fetamine and

645
00:33:24,733 --> 00:33:26,693
Speaker 2: it costs you down the track? Really, can you get

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on this? I eighte hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: is the number to court. It is a quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, afternoon, it is twelve to two and

651
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Speaker 2: we're talking about meth testing. A great text here, GeTe Tyler.

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Speaker 2: I think the debates has become conflated in the testing

653
00:33:51,013 --> 00:33:53,413
Speaker 2: in itself is valid, but the debate should be around

654
00:33:53,453 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 2: what is the safe level to warrant a decontamination. The

655
00:33:56,493 --> 00:33:59,253
Speaker 2: argument that we shouldn't be testing full stop is not valid.

656
00:33:59,533 --> 00:34:02,453
Speaker 2: It's about what level of the test results should there

657
00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:06,533
Speaker 2: be a decontamination of what is considered safe? And I

658
00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:08,292
Speaker 2: think that's a very fair point. Thank you for that.

659
00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:11,653
Speaker 13: Gary, Hi, it's.

660
00:34:11,573 --> 00:34:12,252
Speaker 18: Me you're talking to.

661
00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:15,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you, my friends. What's your thoughts about?

662
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:17,613
Speaker 18: Yeah, sorry, it's Jerry, not Gary.

663
00:34:17,773 --> 00:34:19,292
Speaker 2: Oh, Jerry. That's right, mate.

664
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:24,173
Speaker 18: Yeah, okay, that's all good. Look I have some pretty

665
00:34:24,173 --> 00:34:26,893
Speaker 18: staunch views on this, and my day I was around

666
00:34:26,933 --> 00:34:30,573
Speaker 18: a lot of it, and I'm talking quite a serious

667
00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:35,013
Speaker 18: amount of it, both in use and and everything else. Now,

668
00:34:35,213 --> 00:34:37,973
Speaker 18: my experience with all of all of that is I've

669
00:34:38,013 --> 00:34:43,652
Speaker 18: seen people absolutely consume bucket loads of it themselves and

670
00:34:43,973 --> 00:34:47,652
Speaker 18: just you know, like myself or whatever, everybody's clean now

671
00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:52,453
Speaker 18: that I've survived or whatever, probably had what what would

672
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:56,213
Speaker 18: you would some people would say, should kill ten horses

673
00:34:56,293 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 18: or whatever. But you know, the bottom line is, I've

674
00:34:59,213 --> 00:35:03,333
Speaker 18: seen people exposed to it, had massive amounts of it

675
00:35:03,573 --> 00:35:06,053
Speaker 18: and there was nothing wrong with them. So if you're

676
00:35:06,053 --> 00:35:09,693
Speaker 18: telling me that because you've had heavy smoking in the

677
00:35:09,813 --> 00:35:13,613
Speaker 18: house or doing a little kroock in our house, that

678
00:35:13,773 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 18: down the track, that is a liability to anybody's health,

679
00:35:18,053 --> 00:35:20,213
Speaker 18: and you need to spend all that money on cleaning

680
00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:22,813
Speaker 18: it up. To me, you need your head read.

681
00:35:23,093 --> 00:35:25,053
Speaker 2: Isn't there a balanced Jerry? I mean, I agree with

682
00:35:25,093 --> 00:35:26,493
Speaker 2: you that it feels like a bit of a wrought

683
00:35:26,573 --> 00:35:30,692
Speaker 2: in general. But if there is a methanphetamine lad in

684
00:35:30,733 --> 00:35:33,133
Speaker 2: your property and you don't know about that, then you

685
00:35:33,253 --> 00:35:35,893
Speaker 2: find out about it. Surely at that point that is

686
00:35:35,973 --> 00:35:38,733
Speaker 2: probably a level. And according to the Gluckman reporter he

687
00:35:38,813 --> 00:35:40,853
Speaker 2: believed it was that's probably a level that could be

688
00:35:40,893 --> 00:35:42,933
Speaker 2: harmful and least you decontaminate.

689
00:35:44,013 --> 00:35:46,453
Speaker 18: I agree with that, but I mean in the early days,

690
00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:50,013
Speaker 18: and I've even struck it now through friends and other

691
00:35:50,613 --> 00:35:54,533
Speaker 18: areas of business that have been involved in apartment rentals

692
00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 18: and residential rentals and whatnot, and they have sold the

693
00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:04,333
Speaker 18: concept that because they knew that the tenant had been

694
00:36:04,373 --> 00:36:09,093
Speaker 18: a meth smoker, there've been mes in there that they

695
00:36:09,213 --> 00:36:11,853
Speaker 18: had to have all this money spent before they could

696
00:36:11,893 --> 00:36:15,293
Speaker 18: put new tenants in and safety for this that and

697
00:36:15,573 --> 00:36:17,293
Speaker 18: it was an absolute.

698
00:36:16,853 --> 00:36:21,373
Speaker 2: Raught as part of it Jerry the insurance side of things.

699
00:36:21,453 --> 00:36:23,973
Speaker 2: That's why me and my partner decided to get one

700
00:36:24,253 --> 00:36:26,373
Speaker 2: is I just wanted that peace of mind. Paid three

701
00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 2: hundred bucks for a peace of mind that if something

702
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:32,013
Speaker 2: is discovered down the track, we made it clear and

703
00:36:32,093 --> 00:36:34,613
Speaker 2: we've got evidence that it was perfectly clean when we

704
00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:37,293
Speaker 2: tended it out of the place. So if one of

705
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:40,013
Speaker 2: the tenants asides to set up a pe lap, then

706
00:36:40,053 --> 00:36:41,973
Speaker 2: we've got that piece of paper right there to say

707
00:36:42,453 --> 00:36:45,292
Speaker 2: it was clean as a whistle. Now it's not, we've

708
00:36:45,293 --> 00:36:47,373
Speaker 2: got to come after the tenants and that's proof.

709
00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:52,093
Speaker 18: No, I absolutely agree with that. That's common sense future

710
00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:57,652
Speaker 18: proofing yourself against liability and whatnot. But you know the

711
00:36:57,773 --> 00:37:00,693
Speaker 18: promise that because people have been sitting in the lounge

712
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:04,893
Speaker 18: smoking a lot of metal whatever, all your paint's going

713
00:37:04,933 --> 00:37:07,733
Speaker 18: to fall off and your baby's going to touch the

714
00:37:07,773 --> 00:37:11,413
Speaker 18: wall and come out with five eyes and things like that,

715
00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:15,653
Speaker 18: that was marketed by people that's that saw the opportunity

716
00:37:16,173 --> 00:37:18,853
Speaker 18: to make a lot of money out of something. You know,

717
00:37:18,973 --> 00:37:22,533
Speaker 18: they're all suited up going into that refidential place because

718
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:27,133
Speaker 18: there's been reported miss moking and so they're all in there,

719
00:37:27,253 --> 00:37:30,453
Speaker 18: has has gear and this there and the other and

720
00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:32,533
Speaker 18: it was just an absolute clock.

721
00:37:32,693 --> 00:37:34,692
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with you there. I mean they made

722
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:37,213
Speaker 2: it look like they were going into Fukushima. It was

723
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:40,093
Speaker 2: way over blind. Jerry, thank you very much for your call.

724
00:37:40,453 --> 00:37:42,733
Speaker 2: It is eight minutes to two. Back very shortly.

725
00:37:44,453 --> 00:37:48,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty.

726
00:37:48,973 --> 00:37:52,413
Speaker 1: It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

727
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:55,212
Speaker 2: B News Talks. They be good afternoon, Mary.

728
00:37:56,453 --> 00:37:57,293
Speaker 3: Here are you toil up?

729
00:37:57,653 --> 00:37:59,493
Speaker 2: Very good? So you had a bit of an issue

730
00:37:59,573 --> 00:38:03,093
Speaker 2: with myth and fetamine use not you yourself, sorry, but

731
00:38:03,173 --> 00:38:05,613
Speaker 2: with a home, yes.

732
00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:08,573
Speaker 3: Where the house have just about got pulled down. They

733
00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:11,973
Speaker 3: got washed three times to try and remove it, and

734
00:38:11,973 --> 00:38:14,493
Speaker 3: they were just about to pull it down. The last wash.

735
00:38:14,373 --> 00:38:16,172
Speaker 6: Actually saved it, right.

736
00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:19,853
Speaker 2: And what happened was it a lab, Yes.

737
00:38:20,093 --> 00:38:22,893
Speaker 3: And the cops knew, and the cops did nothing about.

738
00:38:23,013 --> 00:38:25,613
Speaker 3: The neighbors complained because they were so they nearly had

739
00:38:25,613 --> 00:38:28,133
Speaker 3: to move out of their house because the stench from

740
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:32,573
Speaker 3: the fumes were so bad. Everyone knew and no one

741
00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:33,732
Speaker 3: knew anything about it?

742
00:38:34,253 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 2: Right, And so how much did you pay so decontaminate?

743
00:38:38,253 --> 00:38:41,173
Speaker 3: We were just lucky that the insurance covered it. This

744
00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:44,493
Speaker 3: was in the early days. But coming back to the

745
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:50,212
Speaker 3: Gluckman report, that that was rafted that way to save

746
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:54,413
Speaker 3: the government from heaps of money because all their houses

747
00:38:54,773 --> 00:39:00,652
Speaker 3: would have been condemned. They increased the level. Otherwise they

748
00:39:00,693 --> 00:39:02,732
Speaker 3: would have known the people to live because that many

749
00:39:02,853 --> 00:39:05,773
Speaker 3: there's that much contamination and all those mental houses that

750
00:39:05,813 --> 00:39:06,613
Speaker 3: the government owned.

751
00:39:06,773 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 2: That was a part of a barrier. I do recall

752
00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:10,853
Speaker 2: it though, were the part of a report was that

753
00:39:10,893 --> 00:39:13,172
Speaker 2: the government would save one hundred million dollars from not

754
00:39:13,213 --> 00:39:17,533
Speaker 2: having to do myth testing on all of the state homes,

755
00:39:17,533 --> 00:39:22,253
Speaker 2: but arguably for residential landlords who were tendanting out their property.

756
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:24,893
Speaker 2: You can see back in the early stages there was

757
00:39:24,933 --> 00:39:27,093
Speaker 2: a hysteria over myth testing.

758
00:39:28,293 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 3: Well, when the tenant was sick and when we got

759
00:39:31,933 --> 00:39:34,893
Speaker 3: the house refurbished because we didn't know it was contaminated

760
00:39:35,213 --> 00:39:38,053
Speaker 3: and the painter got sick and no one could put

761
00:39:38,093 --> 00:39:41,573
Speaker 3: it down, do anything. And when we finally got the house,

762
00:39:41,973 --> 00:39:44,293
Speaker 3: the neighbors come over into the house has tested, I

763
00:39:44,293 --> 00:39:48,813
Speaker 3: mean as a pea lab tested and sure enough, so

764
00:39:48,933 --> 00:39:49,973
Speaker 3: all the good work had done.

765
00:39:50,013 --> 00:39:52,533
Speaker 2: How to get undone, well, that is a horror story.

766
00:39:52,573 --> 00:39:55,053
Speaker 2: Barry but glad it worked out and the insurance came through.

767
00:39:55,373 --> 00:39:57,733
Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who phoned and text on that one.

768
00:39:57,773 --> 00:40:00,053
Speaker 2: That was a great discussion. Coming up after two o'clock.

769
00:40:00,053 --> 00:40:02,692
Speaker 2: This will be good as well. Winston Peters in high

770
00:40:02,813 --> 00:40:06,933
Speaker 2: visibility jackets. Is health and safety gone crazy? Oh eight

771
00:40:07,053 --> 00:40:09,453
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. The number to call nine

772
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,813
Speaker 2: two ninety two is the text number. New Sport and

773
00:40:11,853 --> 00:40:12,853
Speaker 2: Weather on its way.

774
00:40:14,653 --> 00:40:18,453
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

775
00:40:18,493 --> 00:40:20,293
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

776
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:24,453
Speaker 2: It'd be afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.

777
00:40:24,613 --> 00:40:29,213
Speaker 2: Just Tyler today, Matt as we speak as under undergoing surgery.

778
00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:32,693
Speaker 2: He's been expecting that for some time, So go well mate,

779
00:40:32,973 --> 00:40:35,053
Speaker 2: Not that you'll hear me saying that, because you'll be

780
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:37,693
Speaker 2: well under by now. But he will be back tomorrow.

781
00:40:38,053 --> 00:40:39,693
Speaker 2: This is going to be a good chat. Just have

782
00:40:39,733 --> 00:40:42,693
Speaker 2: a chat about Winston Peters and high VERZ gear. So

783
00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:45,453
Speaker 2: it all kicked off on Friday. The New Zealand first

784
00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:48,853
Speaker 2: leader was asked to wear a high VIZ jacket by

785
00:40:48,893 --> 00:40:52,772
Speaker 2: the head of CRL, Rockie Peters. And here's a little

786
00:40:52,773 --> 00:40:55,213
Speaker 2: bit of that exchange.

787
00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:57,692
Speaker 9: So we can we can make sure we look after

788
00:40:57,773 --> 00:40:59,053
Speaker 9: you and get your there's going.

789
00:40:58,973 --> 00:41:01,053
Speaker 11: To be.

790
00:41:01,853 --> 00:41:04,133
Speaker 16: I'm serious money.

791
00:41:03,893 --> 00:41:13,853
Speaker 1: Matey, right, we don't need it in the station.

792
00:41:15,333 --> 00:41:15,732
Speaker 4: Job set.

793
00:41:17,813 --> 00:41:19,613
Speaker 2: No, it's part of our protocol.

794
00:41:21,693 --> 00:41:24,252
Speaker 19: You got to tell you.

795
00:41:24,293 --> 00:41:25,093
Speaker 12: I don't know what to say.

796
00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:27,053
Speaker 1: Somebody used to work.

797
00:41:29,733 --> 00:41:30,333
Speaker 4: A little bit of.

798
00:41:31,893 --> 00:41:33,293
Speaker 9: Fun danous job this one.

799
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:39,093
Speaker 2: Yes, that's probably true. Agree, So that is part of

800
00:41:39,133 --> 00:41:41,133
Speaker 2: the exchange and a little bit to hear some of

801
00:41:41,133 --> 00:41:43,613
Speaker 2: what was said. But that was an exchange with Patrick Brockie,

802
00:41:43,613 --> 00:41:45,293
Speaker 2: who was the chief executive of the c r L,

803
00:41:45,613 --> 00:41:48,413
Speaker 2: trying to make the honorable Winston Peters wear that high

804
00:41:48,533 --> 00:41:51,652
Speaker 2: viz h and Winston Peter said, na, mates, I'm going

805
00:41:51,693 --> 00:41:53,652
Speaker 2: on a train ride. I'm not putting on stuff that

806
00:41:53,733 --> 00:41:56,773
Speaker 2: I don't need. And then Brocky replied, it's simply if

807
00:41:56,773 --> 00:41:59,373
Speaker 2: we have an incident in the tunnel or something like that.

808
00:41:59,653 --> 00:42:02,093
Speaker 2: And then Winston Peters went on to talk about his

809
00:42:02,093 --> 00:42:05,293
Speaker 2: history of going into tunnels and doing some very dangerous work,

810
00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 2: so he knew what he was talking about when it

811
00:42:06,973 --> 00:42:09,933
Speaker 2: came to health and safety. He did eventually put on

812
00:42:09,973 --> 00:42:11,812
Speaker 2: that high vis jacket. But here's what he said after

813
00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:14,453
Speaker 2: the event. Some of us have lived our lives in

814
00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:18,253
Speaker 2: high visibility safety is critically important, but turning it into

815
00:42:18,373 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 2: a costume period drama risks undermining it. So we asked

816
00:42:22,453 --> 00:42:25,172
Speaker 2: for an explanation and got one. It was confirmed that

817
00:42:25,213 --> 00:42:27,693
Speaker 2: hard hats and safety glasses were not required given we

818
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:30,373
Speaker 2: were visiting an open station and sitting on a passenger

819
00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:33,573
Speaker 2: train where physical work had been paused and separation barriers

820
00:42:33,573 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 2: put in place. So can I have a chat with

821
00:42:35,973 --> 00:42:37,973
Speaker 2: you about this? He obviously pushed back hard on this

822
00:42:38,093 --> 00:42:40,813
Speaker 2: idea of wearing these high vis jackets and dotting the

823
00:42:40,853 --> 00:42:43,772
Speaker 2: hard hats and the safety glasses because, as he said,

824
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:47,053
Speaker 2: they weren't in a risky environment. Safety wasn't a concern

825
00:42:47,093 --> 00:42:50,053
Speaker 2: in this area. But is this symbolic of where we're

826
00:42:50,093 --> 00:42:52,613
Speaker 2: at when it comes to health and safety in this country?

827
00:42:52,733 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Whenever you go into one of

828
00:42:54,653 --> 00:42:57,093
Speaker 2: these things, one of these sites, and as a former journalist,

829
00:42:57,413 --> 00:42:59,692
Speaker 2: I attended many events where they asked us to put

830
00:42:59,733 --> 00:43:02,573
Speaker 2: on the hard hats and the steel cap birds and

831
00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:05,453
Speaker 2: the high vis jackets, And sometimes you do look and think,

832
00:43:05,773 --> 00:43:08,813
Speaker 2: is this all rarely needed? So is this part of

833
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:11,293
Speaker 2: the reason why we just seem to not get stuff

834
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:14,172
Speaker 2: done in this country? That the health and safety has

835
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:17,253
Speaker 2: gone crazy. O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

836
00:43:17,413 --> 00:43:19,613
Speaker 2: number to call. The phones have lit up if you

837
00:43:19,613 --> 00:43:21,453
Speaker 2: want to send a teacher more than welcome nine to

838
00:43:21,693 --> 00:43:25,373
Speaker 2: ninety two. But Kendy here from you health and safety regulations?

839
00:43:25,453 --> 00:43:28,453
Speaker 2: Is this too far? I understand why the boss of

840
00:43:28,493 --> 00:43:32,093
Speaker 2: CRL pushed Winston Peters on wearing that jacket because a

841
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:35,212
Speaker 2: lot of it's about liability, right, And things changed after

842
00:43:35,253 --> 00:43:39,013
Speaker 2: the Pink River tragedy that those health and safety regulations

843
00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:42,173
Speaker 2: and work Safe came into the picture and Osh was

844
00:43:42,653 --> 00:43:45,772
Speaker 2: a decommissioned, so to speak. But did that go too far?

845
00:43:46,533 --> 00:43:51,653
Speaker 2: When work when that explosion happened, and people, quite rightly

846
00:43:51,693 --> 00:43:54,893
Speaker 2: were very upset. What happened? The regulations that were put

847
00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:59,813
Speaker 2: in safe and work Safe's oversight? Has it become too precious?

848
00:43:59,973 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

849
00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:04,732
Speaker 2: Love your thoughts on this one. It is ten past two.

850
00:44:05,933 --> 00:44:10,493
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

851
00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:14,013
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk,

852
00:44:14,133 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 1: Say be.

853
00:44:16,453 --> 00:44:19,093
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about Winston

854
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:21,853
Speaker 2: Peter's reluctance to put on a high viz jacket when

855
00:44:21,853 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 2: he went to go see the new cr ol. Is

856
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:29,013
Speaker 2: this symbolic of health and safety regulations going too far?

857
00:44:29,053 --> 00:44:31,933
Speaker 2: And I will mention the work, Workplace Relations and Safety

858
00:44:31,933 --> 00:44:36,573
Speaker 2: Minister Brook van Velden is currently consulting on potentially changing

859
00:44:36,773 --> 00:44:39,053
Speaker 2: and altering some of those regulations. So can you get

860
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:41,293
Speaker 2: your views? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

861
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:43,613
Speaker 2: the number to call Pete. How are you this afternoon?

862
00:44:44,293 --> 00:44:45,413
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tarli good.

863
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:50,013
Speaker 10: No, when he goes on there's there'shrebious a standard of

864
00:44:50,013 --> 00:44:51,773
Speaker 10: address in the Parliament, shouldn't he?

865
00:44:52,493 --> 00:44:52,573
Speaker 4: So?

866
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 10: I think you know's what he expects.

867
00:44:55,573 --> 00:44:55,933
Speaker 1: You know that.

868
00:44:56,173 --> 00:44:57,533
Speaker 10: But the end of the day, as I've been a

869
00:44:57,613 --> 00:45:00,853
Speaker 10: construction myself over the years, it's part of the job,

870
00:45:01,373 --> 00:45:04,293
Speaker 10: whatever the job is, if you're required do wear health

871
00:45:04,373 --> 00:45:06,293
Speaker 10: and safety year which in this case it was the

872
00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:10,493
Speaker 10: high viz. You don't like the He must have known that.

873
00:45:10,613 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 10: I think he made a big issue out of nothing.

874
00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:15,413
Speaker 10: Just put the damn best on and because the end

875
00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:16,933
Speaker 10: of the day, those people u lest they got that

876
00:45:17,053 --> 00:45:20,493
Speaker 10: they wear those mostly we wear those best or whatever

877
00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:25,093
Speaker 10: at various any site, whether at the Britain mart and

878
00:45:25,253 --> 00:45:27,213
Speaker 10: the train station where it might be or in a

879
00:45:27,213 --> 00:45:30,493
Speaker 10: place of work whatever that's a uniform. If you don't

880
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:34,133
Speaker 10: like it, then basically go find another job. I think

881
00:45:34,133 --> 00:45:36,333
Speaker 10: he made himself he's pretty short now. He made himself

882
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:37,732
Speaker 10: look a little bit shorter that day.

883
00:45:37,773 --> 00:45:40,613
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will you thinking that

884
00:45:40,653 --> 00:45:43,692
Speaker 2: Peter is that you're there to celebrate the opening of

885
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:47,053
Speaker 2: the CRL or certainly the first trip, and you're going

886
00:45:47,093 --> 00:45:49,692
Speaker 2: to do what's needed under those health and safety regulations.

887
00:45:49,733 --> 00:45:51,893
Speaker 2: And the head of CRL didn't make those. He just

888
00:45:51,933 --> 00:45:54,973
Speaker 2: has to abide by them, you know, or else face

889
00:45:55,053 --> 00:45:58,772
Speaker 2: potential liability. But can you see Winston Peter's point that

890
00:45:59,013 --> 00:46:00,813
Speaker 2: this is a man who has worked in the minds

891
00:46:00,853 --> 00:46:03,453
Speaker 2: and he's operated in tunnels in a previous life, so

892
00:46:03,493 --> 00:46:06,013
Speaker 2: he understands health and safety. And he's looking at the

893
00:46:06,053 --> 00:46:09,333
Speaker 2: situation he's going into and look at the sea, at

894
00:46:09,373 --> 00:46:11,373
Speaker 2: the chief executive. Now he's got his hard hat on,

895
00:46:11,453 --> 00:46:15,133
Speaker 2: he's got a safety glasses on, he's got this ginormous

896
00:46:15,493 --> 00:46:18,173
Speaker 2: high ver's jacket on, he's probably got steel cap boots

897
00:46:18,213 --> 00:46:20,173
Speaker 2: for riding on a train. And when Ston Peter's is

898
00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:23,613
Speaker 2: probably looking at all this and thinking what happened? What happened?

899
00:46:23,653 --> 00:46:28,533
Speaker 2: To going so overboard with health and safety that for

900
00:46:28,733 --> 00:46:31,573
Speaker 2: many industries out there, they struggle to get things done.

901
00:46:33,693 --> 00:46:34,293
Speaker 20: Yeah.

902
00:46:34,373 --> 00:46:37,853
Speaker 10: I've been in construction myself too on the Motui plant,

903
00:46:39,093 --> 00:46:43,813
Speaker 10: converted it brand new when it was some fields at

904
00:46:43,813 --> 00:46:46,333
Speaker 10: the time in the building was on the government rules

905
00:46:47,053 --> 00:46:51,493
Speaker 10: and we had no how often visiting those days.

906
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:52,413
Speaker 13: He that was back.

907
00:46:52,253 --> 00:46:55,413
Speaker 10: In the early eighties, and that that was a sign

908
00:46:55,453 --> 00:46:59,613
Speaker 10: of the time. So things have now changed, So you know,

909
00:46:59,773 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 10: sometimes you have to go along with the change. You

910
00:47:02,013 --> 00:47:04,692
Speaker 10: might not like the change. The end of the day,

911
00:47:04,773 --> 00:47:06,652
Speaker 10: it is, that's what it is. If you don't like

912
00:47:06,693 --> 00:47:09,973
Speaker 10: the rules. He must have known that, basically. Yeah, And

913
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:12,172
Speaker 10: I don't understand when he took he worked in the mines.

914
00:47:12,213 --> 00:47:14,453
Speaker 10: I worked in that construction site in nineteen eighties, well

915
00:47:14,613 --> 00:47:16,973
Speaker 10: and stuff there, and we got away of that. But

916
00:47:17,053 --> 00:47:19,053
Speaker 10: now we're not in the nineteen eighties or the nineteen

917
00:47:19,053 --> 00:47:22,133
Speaker 10: sixties or the nineteen seventies anymore. We're in We're in

918
00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:23,813
Speaker 10: the year twenty and twenty five.

919
00:47:24,293 --> 00:47:25,253
Speaker 12: So we have to move on.

920
00:47:25,453 --> 00:47:27,373
Speaker 13: And I think he may he just he should have

921
00:47:27,373 --> 00:47:28,293
Speaker 13: just put the vest on.

922
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:32,093
Speaker 10: He made himself as tired. You can't break the rules.

923
00:47:32,093 --> 00:47:33,692
Speaker 10: The rules are the rules. And that we're all at

924
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:35,853
Speaker 10: the wears of it. Put the damn best on to

925
00:47:35,893 --> 00:47:37,813
Speaker 10: save them a lot of waste of energy getting stressed

926
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,212
Speaker 10: out about nothing. He made usself a little bit stupid, I.

927
00:47:40,173 --> 00:47:42,613
Speaker 2: Think yeah, and a lot of people again would would

928
00:47:42,613 --> 00:47:44,533
Speaker 2: feel that way, Pete, And good on you for fighting

929
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 2: your argument strongly. But it's symbolic, right, So take the

930
00:47:48,453 --> 00:47:51,613
Speaker 2: vest aside, and yep, he could have worn the vest

931
00:47:52,013 --> 00:47:55,253
Speaker 2: jumped on that train happily. Ever after, nobody would say

932
00:47:55,293 --> 00:47:58,253
Speaker 2: anything but to me, I think this is symbolic of

933
00:47:58,293 --> 00:48:00,732
Speaker 2: the wider health and safety regulations. And I'll just give

934
00:48:00,733 --> 00:48:03,293
Speaker 2: you an example. Back when I was helping. My daddy

935
00:48:03,373 --> 00:48:06,172
Speaker 2: was a sparky, so I was laboring and I could see.

936
00:48:06,253 --> 00:48:08,493
Speaker 2: It was well known on a work site that if

937
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:11,773
Speaker 2: you needed to get up a ladder or to undertake

938
00:48:11,853 --> 00:48:14,373
Speaker 2: something that had a small amount of risk sometimes that

939
00:48:14,453 --> 00:48:16,652
Speaker 2: you needed Osh to come in and sign it off,

940
00:48:17,133 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 2: and that held things up like nothing else, and a

941
00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:22,653
Speaker 2: lot of builders and a lot of other tradees would

942
00:48:22,693 --> 00:48:24,613
Speaker 2: just get up there and do it and get it

943
00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:27,333
Speaker 2: done because they could see the risk was little. And

944
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:29,933
Speaker 2: yes there was fear of prosecution if they were found out,

945
00:48:30,013 --> 00:48:32,692
Speaker 2: but that frustration of just saying I can get up

946
00:48:32,693 --> 00:48:35,293
Speaker 2: that ladder and wire that up as quick as you like,

947
00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:37,253
Speaker 2: and I don't need the oshmen to come around here

948
00:48:37,253 --> 00:48:39,373
Speaker 2: and sign that off. And then it feels that we've

949
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:42,213
Speaker 2: got further and further into a situation where there's so

950
00:48:42,493 --> 00:48:46,732
Speaker 2: many hold ups and red tape that this is why

951
00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:48,733
Speaker 2: the costs of blooming out and this is why we

952
00:48:48,773 --> 00:48:51,652
Speaker 2: struggle to get anything done, because every tiny little thing

953
00:48:51,733 --> 00:48:53,973
Speaker 2: has to be signed off by a health and safety consultant.

954
00:48:55,493 --> 00:48:56,373
Speaker 13: I agree one.

955
00:48:56,373 --> 00:48:59,173
Speaker 10: Hundred sent what you just said. It's an overtook, a

956
00:48:59,373 --> 00:49:01,853
Speaker 10: rook band of Valden's doing right now. I had supert

957
00:49:01,893 --> 00:49:04,133
Speaker 10: it hotally, I've been on construction those days and that

958
00:49:04,173 --> 00:49:07,373
Speaker 10: as well, and there is too much paperwork, and there's

959
00:49:07,373 --> 00:49:09,293
Speaker 10: more paperwork than actual we've ben get on the site.

960
00:49:10,213 --> 00:49:13,613
Speaker 10: So end of the day is no one wherever it

961
00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:16,013
Speaker 10: goes to work with fifteen fingers. They want to come

962
00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:19,292
Speaker 10: home with your teen fingers. Right, So anyday waughts upon

963
00:49:19,333 --> 00:49:22,293
Speaker 10: you ourself, make sure you're safe and your people around

964
00:49:22,293 --> 00:49:24,093
Speaker 10: you're safe. So a lot of it's to do of

965
00:49:24,133 --> 00:49:26,732
Speaker 10: common sense, but the common sense part of its sky.

966
00:49:26,893 --> 00:49:29,093
Speaker 10: Now they're treating a lot of people like kids one

967
00:49:29,173 --> 00:49:31,373
Speaker 10: hundred percent agree what you're saying about and it's Goyne

968
00:49:31,453 --> 00:49:34,172
Speaker 10: too far hope book ren Vald and what she does

969
00:49:34,773 --> 00:49:36,692
Speaker 10: takes a lot of those things away. So they're doing

970
00:49:36,693 --> 00:49:38,293
Speaker 10: a lot of being away for a lot of the

971
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:41,173
Speaker 10: red tape stuff and make it start thinking for yourself.

972
00:49:41,773 --> 00:49:43,773
Speaker 2: Pete always good to check my friend. Thank you very

973
00:49:43,853 --> 00:49:46,013
Speaker 2: much for giving us a buzz. Wilson, how are you?

974
00:49:47,173 --> 00:49:47,613
Speaker 18: Yeah? Good?

975
00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:51,213
Speaker 2: Thanks Tyler and your thoughts about the high Viz stand

976
00:49:51,253 --> 00:49:53,653
Speaker 2: off with Winston Peters in the head of CRL.

977
00:49:54,933 --> 00:49:58,853
Speaker 9: I agree with Winston. It's absolutely amazing. You see it

978
00:49:58,893 --> 00:50:01,413
Speaker 9: on the TV and these politicians are opening a new

979
00:50:01,493 --> 00:50:06,773
Speaker 9: road standing under a clear blue sky, wearing an idiot

980
00:50:06,773 --> 00:50:11,013
Speaker 9: looking hat, glass air up and they're coming a ribbon

981
00:50:12,093 --> 00:50:15,573
Speaker 9: and there's absolutely no danger at all. And a couple

982
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:19,533
Speaker 9: of points on the CRL, those vests they were all

983
00:50:19,573 --> 00:50:23,053
Speaker 9: brand new, brand new printed for that you know, five

984
00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:28,333
Speaker 9: minute media stand up. And the CRL is an absolute

985
00:50:29,253 --> 00:50:32,213
Speaker 9: when you look at the stations, the large yes, the

986
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:35,652
Speaker 9: stations of it are just like art galleries. So there's

987
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:38,053
Speaker 9: a billion dollars an overrun there. But going back to

988
00:50:38,053 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 9: the health and safety, once the stations are open and

989
00:50:42,973 --> 00:50:46,333
Speaker 9: the city links open. What ten thousand commuters a day

990
00:50:46,333 --> 00:50:48,013
Speaker 9: are going to go down and ride that train without

991
00:50:48,053 --> 00:50:49,172
Speaker 9: any hiver's on it all.

992
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:51,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, wouldn't it be a sight if every run

993
00:50:51,853 --> 00:50:53,732
Speaker 2: head to don Hiver's. I don't think many people would,

994
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:54,613
Speaker 2: but you're quite right.

995
00:50:56,373 --> 00:50:58,533
Speaker 9: People in the world would like us all to wear hivers.

996
00:50:58,573 --> 00:51:01,252
Speaker 9: It's the same even repairing the footpath, it's all health

997
00:51:01,253 --> 00:51:06,213
Speaker 9: and safety cones men and hivers footpath opens and general

998
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:08,573
Speaker 9: public walks along that footpath for the next ten years

999
00:51:08,653 --> 00:51:10,813
Speaker 9: were just managing their own risk.

1000
00:51:10,933 --> 00:51:13,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like the bubble Boys situation more

1001
00:51:13,493 --> 00:51:16,533
Speaker 2: and more. And you're quite right about the blowouts on

1002
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:19,813
Speaker 2: the costs of the CRL And I want to be

1003
00:51:19,893 --> 00:51:22,813
Speaker 2: fear here Wilson, whether you could equate some of that

1004
00:51:22,893 --> 00:51:27,253
Speaker 2: cost blowout to you know, exaggerated health and safety legislation,

1005
00:51:27,373 --> 00:51:29,813
Speaker 2: Maybe you can. There was some other problems there, but

1006
00:51:29,933 --> 00:51:32,853
Speaker 2: I do think it is symbolic of why we are

1007
00:51:32,933 --> 00:51:36,573
Speaker 2: facing these big cost blowouts and why it is so

1008
00:51:36,653 --> 00:51:39,453
Speaker 2: slow to get these projects under ways, because we've got

1009
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:45,613
Speaker 2: health and safety regulations that are onerous and very hard

1010
00:51:45,133 --> 00:51:48,133
Speaker 2: to push things through without millions of people trying to

1011
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:48,692
Speaker 2: sign it off.

1012
00:51:49,853 --> 00:51:51,493
Speaker 9: But I agree with you there that's part of the

1013
00:51:51,773 --> 00:51:53,533
Speaker 9: city rail Lake Boy. We need to open a few

1014
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:56,373
Speaker 9: people are in for a real surprise the bootlog. Yes,

1015
00:51:56,453 --> 00:51:58,133
Speaker 9: I mean we just want stations to the clean and

1016
00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:00,133
Speaker 9: tidy with tiles. We get in and get out and

1017
00:52:00,173 --> 00:52:03,373
Speaker 9: get back onto the up above the road. But when

1018
00:52:03,413 --> 00:52:05,693
Speaker 9: you see what they've done down there is just so

1019
00:52:05,893 --> 00:52:09,893
Speaker 9: much cost is just oh it's insane.

1020
00:52:10,133 --> 00:52:12,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly is a lot of people would agree with that,

1021
00:52:13,013 --> 00:52:16,733
Speaker 2: me included Wilson. That cost blowout was huge. But it

1022
00:52:16,813 --> 00:52:18,732
Speaker 2: is coming and it's going to be ready next year,

1023
00:52:18,813 --> 00:52:21,533
Speaker 2: so that is something hopefully to get excited about. Appreciate

1024
00:52:21,573 --> 00:52:24,093
Speaker 2: your phone call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1025
00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:27,253
Speaker 2: the number to call Health and safety regulations? Has it

1026
00:52:27,293 --> 00:52:30,533
Speaker 2: gone too far? Is it now? Madness and Brook van Walden?

1027
00:52:30,573 --> 00:52:32,693
Speaker 2: What do you want her to achieve now that she

1028
00:52:32,853 --> 00:52:36,493
Speaker 2: is consulting around these health and safety regulations? What should

1029
00:52:36,533 --> 00:52:39,013
Speaker 2: be the outcome there? Really keen to hear your views.

1030
00:52:39,053 --> 00:52:41,533
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1031
00:52:41,613 --> 00:52:43,652
Speaker 2: And got a great text about someone who wanted to

1032
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:46,973
Speaker 2: put an extractor fan into their bathroom and got a

1033
00:52:47,053 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 2: quote for a large sum of money. I will tell

1034
00:52:49,893 --> 00:52:52,093
Speaker 2: you more about that very shortly. It is twenty one

1035
00:52:52,173 --> 00:52:56,093
Speaker 2: past two.

1036
00:52:57,213 --> 00:53:00,893
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty

1037
00:53:00,973 --> 00:53:03,773
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB afternoon.

1038
00:53:03,773 --> 00:53:06,493
Speaker 2: We are talking about health and safety regulations in this country.

1039
00:53:06,493 --> 00:53:08,652
Speaker 2: It comes on the back of with some Peter's putting

1040
00:53:08,693 --> 00:53:11,732
Speaker 2: up a fight on putting on as Hiver's jacket when

1041
00:53:11,733 --> 00:53:15,693
Speaker 2: they were celebrating the opening or the early launch the

1042
00:53:15,773 --> 00:53:17,933
Speaker 2: VIP trip for the CRL. It does open to the

1043
00:53:17,973 --> 00:53:21,773
Speaker 2: public early next year. But is that symbolic of the

1044
00:53:21,813 --> 00:53:24,093
Speaker 2: problems we have with health and safety in New Zealand.

1045
00:53:24,093 --> 00:53:25,893
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1046
00:53:25,893 --> 00:53:27,693
Speaker 2: to call. Bruce. Very good afternoon to you.

1047
00:53:29,053 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 21: Well, aside from the health and safety and all that,

1048
00:53:32,413 --> 00:53:35,013
Speaker 21: if you have rules on it for something, you stick

1049
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:38,453
Speaker 21: to the rules you don't you know, just thinking all

1050
00:53:38,493 --> 00:53:40,652
Speaker 21: them will froll out them. If you don't like them,

1051
00:53:40,853 --> 00:53:45,933
Speaker 21: change them. But as a manager, and Peters technically is

1052
00:53:46,013 --> 00:53:48,173
Speaker 21: one of the managers of the country, he should have

1053
00:53:48,253 --> 00:53:53,213
Speaker 21: led by example. Now, someone who just makes a decision

1054
00:53:53,333 --> 00:53:56,493
Speaker 21: like that is really could never be trusted. I'm not

1055
00:53:56,533 --> 00:53:58,732
Speaker 21: saying it because it's Peter's But I'm saying anyone who

1056
00:53:58,773 --> 00:54:03,973
Speaker 21: bends the rules, they haven't got that mindset to keep

1057
00:54:04,053 --> 00:54:05,373
Speaker 21: for the straight and narrow.

1058
00:54:06,013 --> 00:54:07,013
Speaker 2: Do you think it was petty?

1059
00:54:07,093 --> 00:54:09,652
Speaker 21: So I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't like working for me.

1060
00:54:09,933 --> 00:54:12,413
Speaker 21: And I'm in a position where they sad a lot

1061
00:54:12,413 --> 00:54:14,373
Speaker 21: of people like that and sometimes to go down and

1062
00:54:14,413 --> 00:54:17,773
Speaker 21: help them and deliberately do something naughty. They didn't kick

1063
00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:19,573
Speaker 21: my aside boot of theirs.

1064
00:54:19,813 --> 00:54:23,013
Speaker 2: Yep, not fair enough to But they're there.

1065
00:54:22,773 --> 00:54:23,493
Speaker 21: For a reason.

1066
00:54:23,813 --> 00:54:25,413
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's that's the See.

1067
00:54:25,653 --> 00:54:28,013
Speaker 21: Although they might seem silly in some cases, they are.

1068
00:54:28,853 --> 00:54:31,173
Speaker 21: It's when they're not and you think you know better

1069
00:54:31,293 --> 00:54:32,813
Speaker 21: and maybe you don't know better.

1070
00:54:33,213 --> 00:54:35,333
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other side of the equation, Bruce. When

1071
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:37,413
Speaker 2: it comes to health and safety is that it is

1072
00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:41,013
Speaker 2: there to protect lives and protect people getting injured. So,

1073
00:54:41,213 --> 00:54:41,773
Speaker 2: and that's the.

1074
00:54:41,733 --> 00:54:45,373
Speaker 21: Point I'm making this case is you lead by example.

1075
00:54:45,453 --> 00:54:49,212
Speaker 21: You do not throw out the rules because everyone's looking

1076
00:54:49,293 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 21: up to you for leadership.

1077
00:54:50,493 --> 00:54:54,053
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But the same arguement could apply when it comes

1078
00:54:54,093 --> 00:54:57,613
Speaker 2: to a manager or in this case, a minister who

1079
00:54:57,733 --> 00:55:01,653
Speaker 2: has some sway over health and safety regulations in conjunction

1080
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,613
Speaker 2: with Brook van Velden that he does have the power

1081
00:55:04,693 --> 00:55:09,453
Speaker 2: to influence stupid decisions and stupid rules. So perhaps, I mean,

1082
00:55:09,493 --> 00:55:11,613
Speaker 2: whether you know whether he was doing that in that

1083
00:55:11,693 --> 00:55:13,533
Speaker 2: situation or he just didn't want to wear the high

1084
00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:15,493
Speaker 2: viz all.

1085
00:55:15,453 --> 00:55:17,173
Speaker 21: The people around him looking at him.

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Speaker 18: That that's I'm saying.

1087
00:55:18,213 --> 00:55:21,293
Speaker 21: It's the leadership that he's got the set, and I mean,

1088
00:55:21,333 --> 00:55:24,732
Speaker 21: I can't say anything wrong with that. So we had

1089
00:55:24,733 --> 00:55:27,293
Speaker 21: procedures where we had machinery and I mean someone would

1090
00:55:27,773 --> 00:55:30,013
Speaker 21: put their peddlock on it and put a card on it,

1091
00:55:30,133 --> 00:55:32,253
Speaker 21: which was, you know, you couldn't get it off of it.

1092
00:55:32,293 --> 00:55:34,653
Speaker 21: You couldn't get you couldn't get the card off the padlock,

1093
00:55:34,693 --> 00:55:36,653
Speaker 21: and on the back would be written a reason so

1094
00:55:36,773 --> 00:55:40,133
Speaker 21: that person could go away or something and be injured

1095
00:55:40,213 --> 00:55:43,212
Speaker 21: raw you know, couldn't come back to take it off.

1096
00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:45,053
Speaker 21: You had to then take it off. But there was

1097
00:55:45,093 --> 00:55:46,093
Speaker 21: a procedure for that.

1098
00:55:46,773 --> 00:55:48,933
Speaker 2: Yeah. But that's where the balance lies, though, isn't it.

1099
00:55:48,973 --> 00:55:51,212
Speaker 2: Bruce and I would argue that that balance has gone

1100
00:55:51,253 --> 00:55:56,013
Speaker 2: too far in the way of overregulating so that nobody

1101
00:55:56,333 --> 00:55:58,333
Speaker 2: is ever put in any danger. And the fact of

1102
00:55:58,333 --> 00:56:00,813
Speaker 2: the matter is, with a lot of industries. Risk and

1103
00:56:00,973 --> 00:56:02,773
Speaker 2: danger is a part of that, and of course we

1104
00:56:02,813 --> 00:56:05,133
Speaker 2: don't want anybody dying in the work place and we

1105
00:56:05,173 --> 00:56:07,653
Speaker 2: don't want anyone being injured. But there needs to be

1106
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:11,653
Speaker 2: a bit of responsibility that you are, you know, going

1107
00:56:11,693 --> 00:56:16,133
Speaker 2: into a situation that might not be completely risk free

1108
00:56:16,333 --> 00:56:18,533
Speaker 2: and that is a reality of living. So it's that

1109
00:56:18,653 --> 00:56:22,133
Speaker 2: balance between regulations that we can protect people but also

1110
00:56:22,253 --> 00:56:24,893
Speaker 2: not going overboard with red tape so we can get

1111
00:56:24,933 --> 00:56:29,893
Speaker 2: things done and have a bit of common sense. No,

1112
00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:33,413
Speaker 2: I think we're lost lost brains. Oh yes, right, yeah,

1113
00:56:33,773 --> 00:56:34,453
Speaker 2: thoughts on that one.

1114
00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:37,053
Speaker 21: I agree with you, silly. A lot of the rules

1115
00:56:37,053 --> 00:56:40,413
Speaker 21: are this bloody stupid. They're written for bloody people haven't

1116
00:56:40,413 --> 00:56:42,212
Speaker 21: got a brain in the head, and got a brain

1117
00:56:42,253 --> 00:56:43,653
Speaker 21: in the head, they shouldn't be on the side.

1118
00:56:43,733 --> 00:56:45,613
Speaker 2: We can agree on that one, Bruce, Thank you very

1119
00:56:45,693 --> 00:56:48,812
Speaker 2: much for having a yct Sean. How are you doing?

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00:56:49,773 --> 00:56:50,013
Speaker 22: Hey?

1121
00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:50,973
Speaker 19: Hey you going, Tyler?

1122
00:56:51,093 --> 00:56:54,013
Speaker 2: Having a good day, very good day, mate, miss my

1123
00:56:53,773 --> 00:56:56,732
Speaker 2: my my friend over the side. But he I think

1124
00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:59,133
Speaker 2: all will go well for him. He's under as we speak,

1125
00:56:59,213 --> 00:57:01,172
Speaker 2: so fingers crossed and it was well overdue.

1126
00:57:02,573 --> 00:57:07,933
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, well I hope he's safe. Ye, This whole

1127
00:57:07,973 --> 00:57:12,732
Speaker 15: tale thing. Right, Winston Peters is not an employee. He's

1128
00:57:12,773 --> 00:57:16,173
Speaker 15: there as a guest. He's surrounded by about three people

1129
00:57:16,213 --> 00:57:20,053
Speaker 15: with high vers who are all brought into the chool aid.

1130
00:57:20,493 --> 00:57:23,693
Speaker 15: But next week when the public are in there, are

1131
00:57:23,693 --> 00:57:25,213
Speaker 15: they all going to have to wear high vers?

1132
00:57:26,013 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 2: Nope, down high down yeah yeah.

1133
00:57:30,733 --> 00:57:35,853
Speaker 15: Yeah, So obviously it's not safe this week, but it's

1134
00:57:35,893 --> 00:57:38,013
Speaker 15: safe next week not to wear it. I mean, Winston's

1135
00:57:38,053 --> 00:57:41,093
Speaker 15: quite right to say this is ridiculous, and it's a

1136
00:57:41,213 --> 00:57:46,733
Speaker 15: small point, but when you have HC blanket rules, yes,

1137
00:57:47,053 --> 00:57:49,173
Speaker 15: you're right, it takes away a lot of thinking. It's

1138
00:57:49,173 --> 00:57:53,333
Speaker 15: trying to make it's trying to defeat Darwin and keep

1139
00:57:53,413 --> 00:57:57,213
Speaker 15: the dumb people safe. And by large it works, and

1140
00:57:57,453 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 15: HC does happen, you know, and you know it's got

1141
00:58:00,693 --> 00:58:03,493
Speaker 15: a point. There is absolutely a point. But you get

1142
00:58:03,533 --> 00:58:07,373
Speaker 15: these blanket rules which can be pulled back anytime they like.

1143
00:58:07,853 --> 00:58:11,013
Speaker 15: So here here's a working example of AHSD gone stilly

1144
00:58:11,773 --> 00:58:14,533
Speaker 15: working on a vessel. I got an electrician on my

1145
00:58:14,613 --> 00:58:17,013
Speaker 15: team and he wants to stand on a three hundred

1146
00:58:17,093 --> 00:58:20,733
Speaker 15: mil step still and work on a light bulb in

1147
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:25,573
Speaker 15: the gang way. Now he has to have a work

1148
00:58:25,613 --> 00:58:29,893
Speaker 15: at heights briefing and a harness and clips, which is

1149
00:58:29,973 --> 00:58:31,893
Speaker 15: ridiculous because there's a lot of overhead pipe there. It's

1150
00:58:31,893 --> 00:58:34,493
Speaker 15: a vessel, it's a boat. But we're going to do it.

1151
00:58:34,693 --> 00:58:37,653
Speaker 15: We're going to do HTC for it. And they say

1152
00:58:37,693 --> 00:58:40,533
Speaker 15: anything over ton of mill height. You've got this at

1153
00:58:40,613 --> 00:58:43,493
Speaker 15: varies at various places, but this was their rule. So

1154
00:58:44,573 --> 00:58:47,853
Speaker 15: at my next meeting, we sat down. I said, hey,

1155
00:58:47,893 --> 00:58:50,813
Speaker 15: you know your department, you had a guy caught working

1156
00:58:50,813 --> 00:58:54,973
Speaker 15: at height not sake, and I had a black mark

1157
00:58:55,013 --> 00:58:57,933
Speaker 15: on my name. And I turned around and I wrote

1158
00:58:58,093 --> 00:59:02,293
Speaker 15: a safety report on people getting into their bunks on

1159
00:59:02,333 --> 00:59:04,693
Speaker 15: the boat because it's one point seven height to get

1160
00:59:04,693 --> 00:59:06,733
Speaker 15: into the top bunk and you needed to call a

1161
00:59:06,813 --> 00:59:10,173
Speaker 15: restaurant harness. So well I pull you out. Yeah, now

1162
00:59:10,173 --> 00:59:10,653
Speaker 15: you see it.

1163
00:59:10,733 --> 00:59:14,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, top bunks. So you can.

1164
00:59:14,973 --> 00:59:17,453
Speaker 15: Actually say, well, this is ridiculous, we're going to wave it.

1165
00:59:18,053 --> 00:59:20,613
Speaker 15: Winson dead will say yeah, I'm not an employee. I

1166
00:59:20,613 --> 00:59:22,253
Speaker 15: mean he didn't say that, but he's not. He's a

1167
00:59:22,293 --> 00:59:24,933
Speaker 15: guest there. And there's going to be thousands of people

1168
00:59:24,973 --> 00:59:26,973
Speaker 15: there next week and none of them are where hires.

1169
00:59:27,013 --> 00:59:31,293
Speaker 15: Are they so slavish adherence to safety is.

1170
00:59:32,813 --> 00:59:33,493
Speaker 13: I'm all for it.

1171
00:59:33,533 --> 00:59:34,733
Speaker 15: I'm all for walking it back.

1172
00:59:35,053 --> 00:59:35,453
Speaker 22: I have.

1173
00:59:37,013 --> 00:59:42,093
Speaker 15: As an example, four years ago, my compliance costs my

1174
00:59:42,213 --> 00:59:45,573
Speaker 15: storage was five hundred dollars a year for some guy

1175
00:59:45,653 --> 00:59:49,333
Speaker 15: to come into my property and take a GPS fox,

1176
00:59:49,413 --> 00:59:52,493
Speaker 15: take a paroh on a little tin shed and walk away.

1177
00:59:52,933 --> 00:59:57,013
Speaker 15: And then in both years it's gone to two thousand,

1178
00:59:57,133 --> 01:00:00,213
Speaker 15: three hundred dollars every year angry to get my place

1179
01:00:00,293 --> 01:00:01,773
Speaker 15: certified for safe storage.

1180
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:04,093
Speaker 2: And that's a short exactly. And you talk about the

1181
01:00:04,173 --> 01:00:07,893
Speaker 2: light bulb situation, and that equates to cost. Right that

1182
01:00:08,333 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 2: if you've got to go through a course and then

1183
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 2: get it signed off by a step ladder expert or consultant,

1184
01:00:16,173 --> 01:00:19,133
Speaker 2: that changing a light bulb that should have taken five

1185
01:00:19,173 --> 01:00:23,413
Speaker 2: minutes and maybe cost I don't know, thirty five dollars

1186
01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:26,533
Speaker 2: of labor time has ended up costing five hundred dollars

1187
01:00:26,533 --> 01:00:28,333
Speaker 2: to change the light bulb. And that's where we're at

1188
01:00:28,333 --> 01:00:30,893
Speaker 2: at the moment. Thank you very much. Headlines are coming

1189
01:00:30,973 --> 01:00:32,333
Speaker 2: up with Jody, but can you hear from you? Oh,

1190
01:00:32,373 --> 01:00:34,453
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1191
01:00:34,493 --> 01:00:37,053
Speaker 2: call now. I mentioned this text just quickly before you

1192
01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:39,013
Speaker 2: go to the headlines. I mentioned this text before about

1193
01:00:39,013 --> 01:00:41,613
Speaker 2: an extractor fan. Gid A Tyler. I had to get

1194
01:00:41,613 --> 01:00:43,773
Speaker 2: an extracted fan put into my bathroom and got a

1195
01:00:43,813 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 2: quote for three thousand dollars. As they said they have

1196
01:00:46,533 --> 01:00:49,093
Speaker 2: to put in scaffolding for a job that takes thirty

1197
01:00:49,133 --> 01:00:51,933
Speaker 2: minutes with a ladder. What a joke. The scaffolding takes

1198
01:00:51,973 --> 01:00:55,413
Speaker 2: longer to put up than the actual job. Health and

1199
01:00:55,453 --> 01:00:58,173
Speaker 2: Safety gone absolutely crazy. I love your views. O eight

1200
01:00:58,213 --> 01:01:00,093
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1201
01:01:00,333 --> 01:01:01,533
Speaker 2: headlines on their way.

1202
01:01:04,253 --> 01:01:07,933
Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1203
01:01:07,973 --> 01:01:10,853
Speaker 14: no trubble with a blue bubble. A committee of former

1204
01:01:10,973 --> 01:01:14,053
Speaker 14: MPs is holding its first hearing on the pay equity bill,

1205
01:01:14,333 --> 01:01:17,213
Speaker 14: rush through Parliament under urgency to free money for this

1206
01:01:17,293 --> 01:01:20,453
Speaker 14: year's budget. The bill was rushed through before budget Day

1207
01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:26,093
Speaker 14: and in thirty three active claims, particularly affecting women. Victoria

1208
01:01:26,253 --> 01:01:30,853
Speaker 14: University pro Chancellor Marion Street says it's shifted the goalposts

1209
01:01:31,013 --> 01:01:35,213
Speaker 14: so under valued professions can't be compared with others. A

1210
01:01:35,253 --> 01:01:38,613
Speaker 14: post mortem on Auckland woman Leanne ray Davis has been

1211
01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:42,973
Speaker 14: inconclusive and police is still investigating after she was found

1212
01:01:43,053 --> 01:01:48,853
Speaker 14: unresponsive in a Parnell apartment last Thursday. South Auckland's Airie

1213
01:01:48,973 --> 01:01:52,973
Speaker 14: College is out of lockdown entered this morning. It says

1214
01:01:53,013 --> 01:01:57,173
Speaker 14: all students are safe and parents shouldn't turn up. A

1215
01:01:57,253 --> 01:02:01,533
Speaker 14: person's been airlifted to Greymouth Hospital with moderate injuries after

1216
01:02:01,613 --> 01:02:04,893
Speaker 14: falling near Brunner Mine on the South Island's west coast

1217
01:02:04,933 --> 01:02:09,173
Speaker 14: just before one pm. Popular Active Web and Dad's Forth

1218
01:02:09,213 --> 01:02:12,573
Speaker 14: New Zealand store. Find out more at NZ Herald Premium.

1219
01:02:12,693 --> 01:02:15,173
Speaker 14: Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1220
01:02:15,173 --> 01:02:17,093
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jody. We're talking about health and

1221
01:02:17,093 --> 01:02:19,773
Speaker 2: safety on the back of Winston Peter's potting up quite

1222
01:02:19,813 --> 01:02:21,653
Speaker 2: a fight when he was asked to wear some high

1223
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:24,773
Speaker 2: vis during a VIP visit to the Cral. It opens

1224
01:02:24,773 --> 01:02:27,053
Speaker 2: to the public next year and a lot of auckland

1225
01:02:27,093 --> 01:02:28,973
Speaker 2: Is are very excited about that, and I think there's

1226
01:02:28,973 --> 01:02:31,013
Speaker 2: some excitement around New Zealand as well for the first

1227
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:35,293
Speaker 2: train underground in New Zealand, which is a hell of

1228
01:02:35,293 --> 01:02:39,013
Speaker 2: a thing. But he did refuse for some time after

1229
01:02:39,093 --> 01:02:43,253
Speaker 2: the CRL Chief Executive Patrick Brocki asked him to wear

1230
01:02:43,293 --> 01:02:46,333
Speaker 2: that high viz. He eventually did wear it, but he

1231
01:02:46,373 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 2: said after the fact that health and safety has gone

1232
01:02:48,773 --> 01:02:51,933
Speaker 2: a bit far when we're asking politicians like him to

1233
01:02:51,973 --> 01:02:54,213
Speaker 2: wear a high viz in a place that would be

1234
01:02:54,293 --> 01:02:57,213
Speaker 2: considered having not much of a safety risk. So can

1235
01:02:57,253 --> 01:02:59,333
Speaker 2: you get your thoughts on this, but also want to

1236
01:02:59,333 --> 01:03:02,213
Speaker 2: take it to the area that if we do and

1237
01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:05,093
Speaker 2: most people texting through and phoning through do accept that

1238
01:03:05,133 --> 01:03:08,173
Speaker 2: health and safety has gone too far in the direction

1239
01:03:08,213 --> 01:03:11,533
Speaker 2: of overregulation and being too onerous. So if we all

1240
01:03:11,573 --> 01:03:13,533
Speaker 2: agree on that and it starts to get rowed back

1241
01:03:13,573 --> 01:03:17,013
Speaker 2: and we'll see what workplace Health and Safety Minister Brook

1242
01:03:17,093 --> 01:03:20,373
Speaker 2: van Velden comes out with after the consultation. But does

1243
01:03:20,413 --> 01:03:22,973
Speaker 2: that mean us as workers if we are working in

1244
01:03:23,013 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 2: an industry that does have some risks. That's a part

1245
01:03:25,773 --> 01:03:29,173
Speaker 2: of it that employees have to accept some of the

1246
01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:33,053
Speaker 2: liability if they get themselves into a stupid situation. Because

1247
01:03:33,053 --> 01:03:35,213
Speaker 2: it comes down to, I mean you hear time and

1248
01:03:35,253 --> 01:03:38,213
Speaker 2: time again this idea of common sense. Common sense does

1249
01:03:38,253 --> 01:03:42,293
Speaker 2: have to be legislated to a certain extent, But that

1250
01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:45,293
Speaker 2: would mean that employees would have to take some liability

1251
01:03:45,293 --> 01:03:48,893
Speaker 2: there if they do something stupid that they injure themselves.

1252
01:03:49,373 --> 01:03:51,013
Speaker 2: Is that where we need to go. Oh, eighte hundred

1253
01:03:51,013 --> 01:03:54,093
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Ross.

1254
01:03:54,333 --> 01:03:56,213
Speaker 2: How you doing okay, Tyler?

1255
01:03:56,213 --> 01:03:56,653
Speaker 23: Your mate?

1256
01:03:56,813 --> 01:03:58,773
Speaker 2: I'm good mate, long time, no speak, hope you will.

1257
01:03:59,733 --> 01:03:59,933
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1258
01:04:00,013 --> 01:04:01,253
Speaker 23: Yeah.

1259
01:04:02,093 --> 01:04:02,853
Speaker 9: A couple of things.

1260
01:04:03,213 --> 01:04:08,773
Speaker 23: First of all, I was kind that side one day

1261
01:04:08,813 --> 01:04:11,413
Speaker 23: and this guy came in in his company truck, a

1262
01:04:11,413 --> 01:04:16,173
Speaker 23: big company. He was employee, and he walked halfway across

1263
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:19,493
Speaker 23: the car pack which is about fifteen to twenty meters wide,

1264
01:04:19,493 --> 01:04:22,653
Speaker 23: I suppose. Then he went and he saw of stopped

1265
01:04:22,653 --> 01:04:24,893
Speaker 23: in a hurry. He went back to his truck, got

1266
01:04:24,893 --> 01:04:27,013
Speaker 23: his hivers out and put dton and walked over the

1267
01:04:27,013 --> 01:04:30,853
Speaker 23: car back again. And I thought, what the hell's going

1268
01:04:30,893 --> 01:04:36,213
Speaker 23: on here? And but anyway, that's I think on with Winston.

1269
01:04:36,733 --> 01:04:39,573
Speaker 23: It has gone too far. I was at a work

1270
01:04:39,613 --> 01:04:44,773
Speaker 23: site a while ago and all these hi guys were there.

1271
01:04:45,733 --> 01:04:48,893
Speaker 23: Do you know who's stood out the most? The guy

1272
01:04:48,933 --> 01:04:52,733
Speaker 23: on the blue overalls. Yeah yeah, I didn't notice the others.

1273
01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:54,773
Speaker 23: I noticed the guy on the blue overalls.

1274
01:04:54,533 --> 01:04:57,293
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, wait yeah. I mean, if it's a situation

1275
01:04:57,533 --> 01:04:59,693
Speaker 2: is as Patrick Brocky said that we need to know

1276
01:05:00,013 --> 01:05:02,653
Speaker 2: where you are in case of an emergency. I mean,

1277
01:05:02,693 --> 01:05:04,933
Speaker 2: anybody knows who Winston Peters is. You can spot them

1278
01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:05,653
Speaker 2: from a mile away.

1279
01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:09,053
Speaker 23: Right, Well, the other thing is a tool drive for

1280
01:05:09,093 --> 01:05:12,253
Speaker 23: a long time. And does that mean I should stop

1281
01:05:12,253 --> 01:05:16,173
Speaker 23: at the Homer Tunnel alway to Milford and say, right, guys,

1282
01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:17,653
Speaker 23: everyone will put the Slovas on.

1283
01:05:18,093 --> 01:05:20,813
Speaker 2: Well, that's where we'll get to Ross. I think you know,

1284
01:05:20,893 --> 01:05:23,613
Speaker 2: if we keep moving in that direction, that's probably not

1285
01:05:23,973 --> 01:05:25,773
Speaker 2: you know, outside the realm of possibility.

1286
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:28,613
Speaker 23: We're going to stop it now then, yeah.

1287
01:05:28,773 --> 01:05:32,013
Speaker 2: Ross. Always good to hear from you, mate, Thank you mate,

1288
01:05:32,013 --> 01:05:34,453
Speaker 2: see you later. It's a nice text here from Andrew

1289
01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:37,173
Speaker 2: Hi Tyler. Mister Peters could have made the same point

1290
01:05:37,173 --> 01:05:39,333
Speaker 2: but still put the vest on and got a much

1291
01:05:39,333 --> 01:05:41,533
Speaker 2: better reaction all around. If he had done the vest

1292
01:05:41,573 --> 01:05:44,373
Speaker 2: but said while he did it that this is the

1293
01:05:44,493 --> 01:05:46,693
Speaker 2: stuff we need to change and the Minister is on it.

1294
01:05:46,973 --> 01:05:50,213
Speaker 2: Point would still be made without the supposed disregard for rules.

1295
01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:53,533
Speaker 2: Message was okay, method of delivery poor for someone of

1296
01:05:53,933 --> 01:05:56,653
Speaker 2: Peter's wits and experience. It's from Andrew, which is a

1297
01:05:56,693 --> 01:05:59,533
Speaker 2: fair point. I mean where the Winston Peters was looking

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01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:01,533
Speaker 2: at the wider picture there with health and safety. I

1299
01:06:01,533 --> 01:06:04,013
Speaker 2: mean you could argue yes, you could argue no. I

1300
01:06:04,013 --> 01:06:05,733
Speaker 2: think he didn't want to wear the vest because it

1301
01:06:06,253 --> 01:06:08,573
Speaker 2: would crinkle his beautiful suit. We know he's a very

1302
01:06:08,573 --> 01:06:10,373
Speaker 2: stylish man and he didn't want to put on the

1303
01:06:10,373 --> 01:06:12,013
Speaker 2: hard hat because he's got a beautiful head to hear.

1304
01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:15,293
Speaker 2: But if he had done it in a more polite

1305
01:06:15,333 --> 01:06:17,973
Speaker 2: way and still made the points that this is health

1306
01:06:17,973 --> 01:06:20,173
Speaker 2: and safety gone gone mad and this is why the

1307
01:06:20,213 --> 01:06:22,973
Speaker 2: crl for one has blown out? Would that have been

1308
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:24,333
Speaker 2: a better way to do it? Oh eight hundred and

1309
01:06:24,333 --> 01:06:26,813
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

1310
01:06:26,933 --> 01:06:27,613
Speaker 2: twenty to three.

1311
01:06:28,613 --> 01:06:33,093
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams.

1312
01:06:33,253 --> 01:06:36,853
Speaker 1: Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talks.

1313
01:06:36,853 --> 01:06:41,133
Speaker 2: They'd be afternoon. It is eighteen to three Ray. How

1314
01:06:41,133 --> 01:06:41,373
Speaker 2: are you?

1315
01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:44,613
Speaker 19: Heych I learned not too bad. Just to tell you

1316
01:06:44,613 --> 01:06:48,173
Speaker 19: about my experience on the building site, please. I was

1317
01:06:48,173 --> 01:06:50,253
Speaker 19: shriving past his football ground where I knew they were

1318
01:06:50,293 --> 01:06:53,373
Speaker 19: laying down some of the new artificial turf. Hey, yep,

1319
01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:54,733
Speaker 19: I'd sort of have a look. You know, it was

1320
01:06:54,733 --> 01:06:57,653
Speaker 19: a big operation, very expensive turf. So got out and

1321
01:06:58,093 --> 01:07:00,573
Speaker 19: walked up to the side of the pitch and look

1322
01:07:00,693 --> 01:07:03,053
Speaker 19: very good. I asked the guy. Could could I have

1323
01:07:03,053 --> 01:07:04,933
Speaker 19: a walk around on it because it was nearly finished.

1324
01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:07,173
Speaker 19: He say how it should be okay, and he handed

1325
01:07:07,173 --> 01:07:07,853
Speaker 19: me a hard hat.

1326
01:07:08,573 --> 01:07:08,853
Speaker 15: Yep.

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01:07:09,173 --> 01:07:11,653
Speaker 19: I said, what's that for? He said, well, you're going

1328
01:07:11,653 --> 01:07:12,413
Speaker 19: on to a building site.

1329
01:07:12,493 --> 01:07:12,813
Speaker 23: Mate.

1330
01:07:13,253 --> 01:07:15,653
Speaker 19: I looked up and there was nothing but sky and

1331
01:07:15,813 --> 01:07:18,213
Speaker 19: beautiful blue sky.

1332
01:07:18,093 --> 01:07:19,373
Speaker 18: They don't worry about itself.

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01:07:19,893 --> 01:07:22,173
Speaker 19: We'll leave it. Then I shut off. I just couldn't

1334
01:07:22,213 --> 01:07:23,973
Speaker 19: go through with a charade and putting a hardhead on

1335
01:07:23,973 --> 01:07:25,213
Speaker 19: to walk onto a football pitcher.

1336
01:07:25,373 --> 01:07:26,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that is it all, doesn't it?

1337
01:07:27,013 --> 01:07:27,133
Speaker 6: Ray?

1338
01:07:27,293 --> 01:07:29,493
Speaker 2: Like you know, I get where the fellow who told

1339
01:07:29,493 --> 01:07:31,573
Speaker 2: you to where the hardhead is coming from from liability.

1340
01:07:31,613 --> 01:07:34,333
Speaker 2: But unless it's a chicken little situation and the sky's falling,

1341
01:07:34,813 --> 01:07:36,893
Speaker 2: that ain't going to save you from anything. Even if

1342
01:07:36,933 --> 01:07:39,493
Speaker 2: you slip on the new artificial turf, I don't know

1343
01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:41,613
Speaker 2: if that's really going to protect your noggin at that stage.

1344
01:07:42,453 --> 01:07:45,493
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ray, that is a great story,

1345
01:07:45,533 --> 01:07:47,213
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I mean, that is what it

1346
01:07:47,213 --> 01:07:49,773
Speaker 2: comes down to, isn't it. And I'm not having to

1347
01:07:49,813 --> 01:07:52,573
Speaker 2: go at the boss of CRL because he is just

1348
01:07:52,613 --> 01:07:55,333
Speaker 2: abiding by the health and safety regulations. It's all about

1349
01:07:55,373 --> 01:07:58,533
Speaker 2: liability for people like him, and so asking Winston Peters

1350
01:07:58,573 --> 01:08:01,453
Speaker 2: to put high version. He doesn't give us stuff really

1351
01:08:01,813 --> 01:08:06,213
Speaker 2: whether the minister looks good or whether he actually puts

1352
01:08:06,253 --> 01:08:09,053
Speaker 2: that high version apart from the liability side of things.

1353
01:08:09,053 --> 01:08:11,533
Speaker 2: And that was being broadcast and there were journalists down

1354
01:08:11,573 --> 01:08:15,293
Speaker 2: there and TV cameras, so they had to abide to

1355
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:18,013
Speaker 2: the letter of the law. But I'm sure even someone

1356
01:08:18,053 --> 01:08:20,572
Speaker 2: like Patrick Brocky and I'm putting words in his mouth there,

1357
01:08:20,693 --> 01:08:23,772
Speaker 2: but I'm sure even someone like that can arguably see

1358
01:08:23,813 --> 01:08:25,973
Speaker 2: that some of these regulations go a little bit too

1359
01:08:26,013 --> 01:08:28,892
Speaker 2: far and hold things up and end up costing these

1360
01:08:28,893 --> 01:08:31,452
Speaker 2: projects a lot more down the down the line. But

1361
01:08:31,492 --> 01:08:33,093
Speaker 2: love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred and eighty

1362
01:08:33,093 --> 01:08:35,293
Speaker 2: ten eighty geto Val, Oh.

1363
01:08:35,213 --> 01:08:38,772
Speaker 22: Hi Tyler, I just heard on your radio about these

1364
01:08:39,412 --> 01:08:42,812
Speaker 22: VIZ things. I'm just wondering, where did they supply him

1365
01:08:42,812 --> 01:08:45,012
Speaker 22: with steel cap shoes when he's in the train.

1366
01:08:45,213 --> 01:08:48,492
Speaker 2: So great question, Val, And I've got no idea. I

1367
01:08:48,572 --> 01:08:51,372
Speaker 2: love a nice some steel caps as much as the

1368
01:08:51,412 --> 01:08:53,213
Speaker 2: next person. But you're quite right, there was no talk

1369
01:08:53,213 --> 01:08:55,612
Speaker 2: of steel caps because my.

1370
01:08:55,652 --> 01:08:58,412
Speaker 22: Sister had to go out of her office into a

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01:08:58,452 --> 01:09:03,213
Speaker 22: manufacturing part of the business. Johnnie had to step out

1372
01:09:03,213 --> 01:09:05,173
Speaker 22: with her size fall shoes and she had to wear

1373
01:09:05,213 --> 01:09:08,333
Speaker 22: steel caps. She had to wear plastic glasses over her

1374
01:09:08,812 --> 01:09:12,293
Speaker 22: normal glasses, which are strengthened for sport. Oh, but you

1375
01:09:12,372 --> 01:09:14,973
Speaker 22: can't wear them. So I putting the plastic ones on.

1376
01:09:15,093 --> 01:09:16,892
Speaker 22: I couldn't see where I was going. Was like the

1377
01:09:16,933 --> 01:09:20,372
Speaker 22: blind leading the blind. So how safe? How safe is that?

1378
01:09:21,053 --> 01:09:23,572
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that is I mean that defeats the purpose,

1379
01:09:23,612 --> 01:09:25,532
Speaker 2: isn't it. If they make a wear glasses which you

1380
01:09:25,612 --> 01:09:27,732
Speaker 2: can't see, that's gonna create more of a problem.

1381
01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:31,412
Speaker 22: And the actually the fact that they're plastic and how

1382
01:09:31,612 --> 01:09:34,973
Speaker 22: much safety in these two dollar plastic glasses compared to

1383
01:09:35,013 --> 01:09:37,213
Speaker 22: ones that are worth about twelve to thirty hundred dollars

1384
01:09:37,213 --> 01:09:37,932
Speaker 22: that you have to wear.

1385
01:09:38,772 --> 01:09:41,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's no safety in that. No, Well, it's

1386
01:09:41,853 --> 01:09:43,293
Speaker 2: just ticking a box at the end of the day,

1387
01:09:43,333 --> 01:09:46,372
Speaker 2: isn't it. And yeah, I mean even if you made

1388
01:09:46,372 --> 01:09:48,532
Speaker 2: the argument vell that, you know, your sister made the

1389
01:09:48,572 --> 01:09:51,692
Speaker 2: argument that I've got glasses that are reinforced and designed

1390
01:09:51,732 --> 01:09:53,972
Speaker 2: for sport and nothing's coming through these bad boys, They'll

1391
01:09:53,973 --> 01:09:56,812
Speaker 2: still make you wear those awful plastic ones because that's

1392
01:09:56,853 --> 01:09:59,532
Speaker 2: what they have to do under legislation. Thank you very much.

1393
01:10:00,213 --> 01:10:01,612
Speaker 2: If we've got time for Tom, I think we do

1394
01:10:01,692 --> 01:10:02,853
Speaker 2: get a Tom.

1395
01:10:03,372 --> 01:10:05,612
Speaker 6: Hello, the tyler talk.

1396
01:10:05,492 --> 01:10:08,492
Speaker 2: To me about the Winston Peter's situation with the high.

1397
01:10:08,732 --> 01:10:12,532
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, So it started a two billion three.

1398
01:10:13,213 --> 01:10:14,012
Speaker 2: It started off.

1399
01:10:15,933 --> 01:10:18,092
Speaker 17: Two billion. The project started.

1400
01:10:18,133 --> 01:10:20,293
Speaker 2: Talking about the CRL yep, yep. I think that was

1401
01:10:20,293 --> 01:10:20,972
Speaker 2: the price, yep.

1402
01:10:21,692 --> 01:10:23,372
Speaker 17: And it ended up at.

1403
01:10:24,093 --> 01:10:26,812
Speaker 2: Oh, another couple yeahs, so another four billion on top

1404
01:10:26,853 --> 01:10:27,013
Speaker 2: of that.

1405
01:10:28,732 --> 01:10:31,692
Speaker 17: How can you blow something out that far? I mean

1406
01:10:31,772 --> 01:10:35,333
Speaker 17: I could handle three or maybe four to push six.

1407
01:10:35,812 --> 01:10:38,333
Speaker 17: And I think Whennie there was a lot of symbolism

1408
01:10:38,372 --> 01:10:42,612
Speaker 17: in that, and that was part of the deal. Yeah,

1409
01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:46,412
Speaker 17: compliance it's over the top. We've lost the plot. We've

1410
01:10:46,412 --> 01:10:49,612
Speaker 17: gone backwards. The pendulum has gone from one extreme. Back

1411
01:10:49,652 --> 01:10:52,772
Speaker 17: in the turn of the century, you had you had

1412
01:10:52,772 --> 01:10:55,532
Speaker 17: flywheels flying around with with v belts on it with

1413
01:10:55,572 --> 01:11:00,693
Speaker 17: no guarding, and now we're protecting the lowest common denominator,

1414
01:11:00,933 --> 01:11:03,532
Speaker 17: the person that to be honest, some people should be

1415
01:11:03,532 --> 01:11:06,452
Speaker 17: scooping ice creams. They shouldn't be on the building site.

1416
01:11:06,772 --> 01:11:10,213
Speaker 17: And that's that's where it's that's what it's coming down to. So, yeah,

1417
01:11:10,293 --> 01:11:12,612
Speaker 17: there was a lot of symbolism being played there. The

1418
01:11:13,253 --> 01:11:17,693
Speaker 17: boss of the CRL was trying to enforce his authority

1419
01:11:18,372 --> 01:11:20,333
Speaker 17: and when he wasn't having a bar of it, and

1420
01:11:20,412 --> 01:11:22,652
Speaker 17: good on when he was standing up to it, because

1421
01:11:22,652 --> 01:11:24,572
Speaker 17: we have to stand up to this kind of carround.

1422
01:11:24,732 --> 01:11:26,732
Speaker 17: What was the train going to do? Jump off the rails?

1423
01:11:27,732 --> 01:11:29,652
Speaker 17: That was the only thing if there was for cliffs

1424
01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:32,412
Speaker 17: and what have you? Racing around down here? Understandable And

1425
01:11:32,492 --> 01:11:34,852
Speaker 17: I would say when he took a good view, had

1426
01:11:34,853 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 17: a good look, he risks, sessed the risks, no risk here,

1427
01:11:39,053 --> 01:11:42,253
Speaker 17: What the hell are we doing? And that's that's my

1428
01:11:43,213 --> 01:11:44,372
Speaker 17: my chomp on it.

1429
01:11:44,692 --> 01:11:49,412
Speaker 2: Why do you think the CRL blew out so significantly? Tom?

1430
01:11:49,692 --> 01:11:51,572
Speaker 2: It kind of all about health and safety.

1431
01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:55,013
Speaker 17: Yeah, no, no, look, I'm over eating it the same

1432
01:11:55,133 --> 01:11:57,933
Speaker 17: as these guys over But when he did so, Yeah,

1433
01:11:57,853 --> 01:12:00,492
Speaker 17: when that comes one way, it goes the other way.

1434
01:12:00,692 --> 01:12:01,253
Speaker 7: I would say.

1435
01:12:01,253 --> 01:12:03,452
Speaker 17: Also, when you dig underground, you don't know what you're

1436
01:12:03,452 --> 01:12:05,053
Speaker 17: going to bump into. It's like when you put the

1437
01:12:05,093 --> 01:12:07,572
Speaker 17: shovel on the ground, he's not too sure as it's

1438
01:12:07,572 --> 01:12:09,652
Speaker 17: going to be soft ground in a half ground. But

1439
01:12:09,772 --> 01:12:13,493
Speaker 17: you would think you would think that the project people beforehand,

1440
01:12:13,812 --> 01:12:16,652
Speaker 17: when they did the assessment, would have would have had

1441
01:12:16,652 --> 01:12:22,692
Speaker 17: a contingency what have you. And yeah, I look, as

1442
01:12:22,732 --> 01:12:24,612
Speaker 17: I say, I could have handled maybe three and a

1443
01:12:24,652 --> 01:12:29,293
Speaker 17: half four, but six to be real, And that's why

1444
01:12:29,293 --> 01:12:31,253
Speaker 17: would you try and attempt to do more projects like

1445
01:12:31,333 --> 01:12:33,972
Speaker 17: that in this country. We'll just end up poorer and poorer.

1446
01:12:34,173 --> 01:12:35,852
Speaker 17: So when he's when he's doing a great job on

1447
01:12:35,893 --> 01:12:38,532
Speaker 17: their front and the top it off. The only guy

1448
01:12:38,612 --> 01:12:40,972
Speaker 17: I saw that little half decent and a high viz

1449
01:12:41,372 --> 01:12:43,133
Speaker 17: and he didn't really want to wear it was old

1450
01:12:43,173 --> 01:12:46,412
Speaker 17: Trumpy And when he had the man the rubbish track,

1451
01:12:47,293 --> 01:12:49,732
Speaker 17: I think that that might have got him across the line.

1452
01:12:50,452 --> 01:12:52,972
Speaker 17: It similarized again he was down with the common man.

1453
01:12:53,333 --> 01:12:56,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, good point. I mean, look, creep me

1454
01:12:56,133 --> 01:12:58,253
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong here, Tom. But some of the costs

1455
01:12:58,253 --> 01:13:02,852
Speaker 2: blowout for the CRL occurred during COVID, when all these projects,

1456
01:13:03,013 --> 01:13:04,652
Speaker 2: you know, were shut down by the government at the

1457
01:13:04,652 --> 01:13:07,253
Speaker 2: time because they thought the risk was too much and

1458
01:13:07,293 --> 01:13:11,093
Speaker 2: we had social distance and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

1459
01:13:11,173 --> 01:13:14,053
Speaker 2: but you hear what I'm saying is that obviously this

1460
01:13:14,173 --> 01:13:16,652
Speaker 2: project if it was shelved and shut down and they

1461
01:13:16,692 --> 01:13:20,452
Speaker 2: lost a whole bunch of engineers and experts from around

1462
01:13:20,853 --> 01:13:23,173
Speaker 2: the globe who had to go back home. Then that

1463
01:13:23,213 --> 01:13:25,932
Speaker 2: would have had a significant cost to let those guys go,

1464
01:13:26,053 --> 01:13:28,973
Speaker 2: have to re employ almost getting it going back in

1465
01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:31,612
Speaker 2: the middle of a project would be incredibly expensive.

1466
01:13:32,293 --> 01:13:36,133
Speaker 17: Don't disagree, don't disagree, But have they shown those figures.

1467
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:39,812
Speaker 17: I had no idea that it was six billion, and

1468
01:13:39,853 --> 01:13:43,213
Speaker 17: that was announced to us by the host this morning.

1469
01:13:43,333 --> 01:13:45,133
Speaker 17: So I was like, what I couldn't believe in the

1470
01:13:45,372 --> 01:13:49,333
Speaker 17: ish and that wasn't forthcoming till he blewed it out

1471
01:13:49,372 --> 01:13:52,732
Speaker 17: this morning. So here's got to be a yeah, okay,

1472
01:13:52,933 --> 01:13:54,973
Speaker 17: So what would you build into that two billion of

1473
01:13:54,973 --> 01:13:57,452
Speaker 17: it or one and a half billion for that there's

1474
01:13:57,452 --> 01:13:58,253
Speaker 17: still a fair bit.

1475
01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:00,532
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I know there's a lot of questions that

1476
01:14:00,652 --> 01:14:02,452
Speaker 2: have been asked and will still continue to be asked

1477
01:14:02,492 --> 01:14:04,812
Speaker 2: about the cost blowouts for the CRL, no doubt about it.

1478
01:14:05,452 --> 01:14:07,612
Speaker 2: But the good news is it's almost there and we'll

1479
01:14:07,652 --> 01:14:10,173
Speaker 2: be open to the pub next year early next year.

1480
01:14:10,812 --> 01:14:13,173
Speaker 2: This is a full noise text. I wonder if I

1481
01:14:13,173 --> 01:14:15,093
Speaker 2: read it out now. No, oh wait, I'll read this

1482
01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:17,572
Speaker 2: one out after we play some messages. It is ten to.

1483
01:14:17,532 --> 01:14:21,532
Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you, and a bit of

1484
01:14:21,572 --> 01:14:26,933
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSB.

1485
01:14:27,093 --> 01:14:29,013
Speaker 2: News Talk said, B it is eight to three. We've

1486
01:14:29,053 --> 01:14:31,452
Speaker 2: been talking about health and safety. Now here's a text

1487
01:14:31,452 --> 01:14:34,492
Speaker 2: that just came through pretty full on Tyler, can't believe

1488
01:14:34,612 --> 01:14:38,253
Speaker 2: you and these other morons. It's a construction site still

1489
01:14:38,253 --> 01:14:41,492
Speaker 2: in a testing phase underground. If the lights go out

1490
01:14:41,612 --> 01:14:44,772
Speaker 2: or even not high Verz allows the contractors to see

1491
01:14:44,772 --> 01:14:47,812
Speaker 2: the visitors on site. Many Kiwi's diet work every year.

1492
01:14:48,532 --> 01:14:52,372
Speaker 2: Very irresponsible, irresponsible attitude on the part of Winston Peters,

1493
01:14:52,772 --> 01:14:54,732
Speaker 2: like not wearing a seat belt because you think you're

1494
01:14:54,772 --> 01:14:57,173
Speaker 2: a good driver. Thank you very much for that text.

1495
01:14:57,213 --> 01:14:58,412
Speaker 2: Passion love it, get a.

1496
01:14:58,412 --> 01:15:00,572
Speaker 20: Newcom there you go?

1497
01:15:00,572 --> 01:15:01,692
Speaker 2: Good? What do you reckon?

1498
01:15:03,412 --> 01:15:06,412
Speaker 20: I've written a you know there's time and place where

1499
01:15:06,412 --> 01:15:08,572
Speaker 20: it's like you said, it gets a bit current away

1500
01:15:08,652 --> 01:15:12,133
Speaker 20: where they helped to safety sometime. But he just don't

1501
01:15:12,213 --> 01:15:15,173
Speaker 20: approve that they put roles in the tear for him

1502
01:15:15,253 --> 01:15:19,133
Speaker 20: to be followed in and nothing worth and a big

1503
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:22,652
Speaker 20: bloss or a person was sayding like that, you know

1504
01:15:22,812 --> 01:15:26,452
Speaker 20: to actually try and reject it. You know it doesn't

1505
01:15:26,532 --> 01:15:30,253
Speaker 20: look be good for the rules they're setting and other things,

1506
01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:33,093
Speaker 20: you know what I mean? And if he wants to

1507
01:15:33,253 --> 01:15:36,333
Speaker 20: break it himself. It's only a silly little thing. Like

1508
01:15:36,452 --> 01:15:37,933
Speaker 20: you said, he could have just put the deck and

1509
01:15:38,013 --> 01:15:40,173
Speaker 20: on and nothing would have been known.

1510
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:43,612
Speaker 2: So you agree with that previous take takes of the seas.

1511
01:15:43,652 --> 01:15:46,093
Speaker 2: The message might be right, but the way he went

1512
01:15:46,173 --> 01:15:48,213
Speaker 2: about it was a bit pt. Arguing with the CEO

1513
01:15:48,333 --> 01:15:49,333
Speaker 2: of CRL.

1514
01:15:50,213 --> 01:15:53,692
Speaker 20: That's right. And one good example was at one time

1515
01:15:53,812 --> 01:15:56,812
Speaker 20: I was in my truck looking on work side, of course,

1516
01:15:57,133 --> 01:16:00,052
Speaker 20: on in our own depot. I looked across the yard

1517
01:16:00,732 --> 01:16:03,412
Speaker 20: and honestly, it couldn't be more set up. If we'll tired,

1518
01:16:04,333 --> 01:16:08,772
Speaker 20: This young lady was gonna just under the ladder, and well,

1519
01:16:08,812 --> 01:16:11,213
Speaker 20: I got up a fresh square in the middle of

1520
01:16:11,253 --> 01:16:13,933
Speaker 20: the head and she didn't have a hardhead on and

1521
01:16:14,093 --> 01:16:16,772
Speaker 20: I went and she was busy for in a couple

1522
01:16:16,772 --> 01:16:21,772
Speaker 20: of hours. But it's a bright example of expected you know.

1523
01:16:21,772 --> 01:16:22,133
Speaker 3: What I mean.

1524
01:16:22,893 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I hear what you're saying. You can thank

1525
01:16:25,412 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 2: you very much for giving me a buzz couple of

1526
01:16:27,492 --> 01:16:30,772
Speaker 2: texts before we move on to another topic. After three o'clock,

1527
01:16:31,532 --> 01:16:34,053
Speaker 2: Winston is getting to the stage that he needs to

1528
01:16:34,093 --> 01:16:37,253
Speaker 2: gain attention for next year's election. That's all this is about.

1529
01:16:37,293 --> 01:16:40,452
Speaker 2: It wasn't to be found last week when there was

1530
01:16:40,812 --> 01:16:44,652
Speaker 2: a Ministry of Foreign Affairs matters requiring comment didn't suit

1531
01:16:44,732 --> 01:16:48,212
Speaker 2: his agenda. Then you guys spends your whole life supporting

1532
01:16:48,293 --> 01:16:50,772
Speaker 2: this flecking government. I think you're looking a bit deep

1533
01:16:50,812 --> 01:16:53,892
Speaker 2: into this one, dear friend. You guys are talking rubbish.

1534
01:16:53,933 --> 01:16:56,652
Speaker 2: The Hivers thing is out of control and ridiculous. I'm

1535
01:16:56,692 --> 01:16:59,932
Speaker 2: worth Winston all the way and this one afternoon. Guys,

1536
01:17:00,053 --> 01:17:03,333
Speaker 2: we own one of New Zealand's leading luxury lodges. At

1537
01:17:03,372 --> 01:17:05,293
Speaker 2: this time of the year, we do traffle hunts. How

1538
01:17:05,372 --> 01:17:09,973
Speaker 2: good we had to for a the event was in

1539
01:17:10,053 --> 01:17:12,173
Speaker 2: the Hawks Bay. Fill out a health and safety risk

1540
01:17:12,253 --> 01:17:15,372
Speaker 2: assessment form for the truffle hunts and lunch back at

1541
01:17:15,372 --> 01:17:20,333
Speaker 2: the lodge. Absolutely bloody ridiculous. That's from Gary. And just

1542
01:17:20,973 --> 01:17:23,412
Speaker 2: a reminder as well that current health and safety rules

1543
01:17:23,492 --> 01:17:27,572
Speaker 2: are being consulted on as we speak by the Minister

1544
01:17:27,772 --> 01:17:31,652
Speaker 2: of Workplace Relations and Safety, Brook van Velden. So she

1545
01:17:31,853 --> 01:17:35,492
Speaker 2: said she started undertaking this consultation in July with some

1546
01:17:35,812 --> 01:17:38,812
Speaker 2: of the industries where the risk is a bit higher

1547
01:17:38,853 --> 01:17:42,333
Speaker 2: than others. So this is the likes of manufacturers, bakers, millers,

1548
01:17:42,372 --> 01:17:45,093
Speaker 2: a part of the sector reforms, she said at the time.

1549
01:17:45,173 --> 01:17:49,213
Speaker 2: The proposed changes aim to ensure standards reflect real world

1550
01:17:49,612 --> 01:17:53,173
Speaker 2: risks and align with international benchmarks. So I think that's

1551
01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:56,492
Speaker 2: what it comes down to, right, real world risks, and

1552
01:17:56,612 --> 01:17:58,133
Speaker 2: I think most of the people who are called all

1553
01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:01,772
Speaker 2: texts absolutely see health and safety has gone too far.

1554
01:18:01,933 --> 01:18:04,253
Speaker 2: So we've got to get that balance right. And I'm

1555
01:18:04,253 --> 01:18:07,732
Speaker 2: sure more will come on that before the election, no

1556
01:18:07,853 --> 01:18:10,372
Speaker 2: doubt about it. Right coming up after three o'clock, let's

1557
01:18:10,372 --> 01:18:12,852
Speaker 2: have a chat about five fo and working in the minds.

1558
01:18:12,893 --> 01:18:15,093
Speaker 2: A great story and a pretty for long story in

1559
01:18:15,093 --> 01:18:18,052
Speaker 2: the Herald today about a guy called Lockey Samuel Kiwi.

1560
01:18:18,612 --> 01:18:20,692
Speaker 2: He was twenty eight years old when he had to

1561
01:18:20,732 --> 01:18:24,613
Speaker 2: be evacuated from the mines because he told his superintendent

1562
01:18:24,652 --> 01:18:26,372
Speaker 2: that if he went back to his room, he might

1563
01:18:26,572 --> 01:18:30,253
Speaker 2: never come out. He effectively had a breakdown from long hours,

1564
01:18:30,652 --> 01:18:33,532
Speaker 2: lack of social connection and a whole raft of other things.

1565
01:18:33,692 --> 01:18:36,572
Speaker 2: So the Australian minds long being talented as a sure

1566
01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,052
Speaker 2: fire way to set yourself up and earn great money.

1567
01:18:39,293 --> 01:18:42,732
Speaker 2: But is it more hyped up than reality of working

1568
01:18:42,812 --> 01:18:45,253
Speaker 2: in a situation like that? Love to hear your experiences

1569
01:18:45,333 --> 01:18:47,452
Speaker 2: if you've done Fi Fi worked in the minds, new

1570
01:18:47,532 --> 01:18:48,892
Speaker 2: sport and weather coming up.

1571
01:18:51,173 --> 01:18:55,492
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie

1572
01:18:55,732 --> 01:18:59,293
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

1573
01:19:00,293 --> 01:19:02,612
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Matt is

1574
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:05,973
Speaker 2: off today. He is underg going surgery that he's been

1575
01:19:06,013 --> 01:19:08,293
Speaker 2: waiting for for a long time, but all going well,

1576
01:19:08,572 --> 01:19:10,932
Speaker 2: which I am sure it will go well for him.

1577
01:19:11,173 --> 01:19:12,973
Speaker 2: He will be back tomorrow, So just me in the

1578
01:19:13,013 --> 01:19:15,892
Speaker 2: hot seat today. But great to have your company. As always,

1579
01:19:15,973 --> 01:19:19,372
Speaker 2: Let's get into this so five fo or working in

1580
01:19:19,412 --> 01:19:22,612
Speaker 2: the mines fly in, flyout. It has long been touted

1581
01:19:22,652 --> 01:19:25,052
Speaker 2: as a surefire way to set yourself up the dream

1582
01:19:25,173 --> 01:19:28,452
Speaker 2: of big easy money, freedom, work hard and party harder.

1583
01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:31,293
Speaker 2: More so than ever as we're seeing more and more

1584
01:19:31,372 --> 01:19:34,772
Speaker 2: Kiwi's head off to Ozzie. But is it more hyped

1585
01:19:34,812 --> 01:19:37,412
Speaker 2: up than the reality of working in a situation like that?

1586
01:19:37,492 --> 01:19:40,732
Speaker 2: A story in the Herald Today that reports on the

1587
01:19:40,772 --> 01:19:43,293
Speaker 2: story of a man called Lockey Samuel. He's a Kiwi

1588
01:19:43,692 --> 01:19:45,893
Speaker 2: and he was just twenty eight when he was evacuated

1589
01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:48,412
Speaker 2: from his work site in Western Australia after telling his

1590
01:19:48,492 --> 01:19:51,372
Speaker 2: superintendent that if he went back into his room, he

1591
01:19:51,492 --> 01:19:54,412
Speaker 2: might never come out. So at nineteen he left his

1592
01:19:54,532 --> 01:19:56,372
Speaker 2: home right here in New Zealand, jumped on a plane,

1593
01:19:56,853 --> 01:20:00,532
Speaker 2: ended up in Perth and started working for ten years

1594
01:20:00,572 --> 01:20:03,372
Speaker 2: in a flyout flyout situation where he was at one

1595
01:20:03,452 --> 01:20:08,812
Speaker 2: point earning two hundred thousand dollars Australia per year between

1596
01:20:09,133 --> 01:20:12,333
Speaker 2: three and five hundred bucks a week. He said in

1597
01:20:12,412 --> 01:20:14,053
Speaker 2: the story and I quote, you would do a twelve

1598
01:20:14,093 --> 01:20:16,572
Speaker 2: hour shift, come back to camp, hit the gym, then

1599
01:20:16,572 --> 01:20:18,932
Speaker 2: head straight to the pub and order as many drinks

1600
01:20:19,053 --> 01:20:21,932
Speaker 2: as you wanted to. People come to site with their

1601
01:20:21,973 --> 01:20:24,412
Speaker 2: problems weighing on them, and instead of fixing them and

1602
01:20:24,492 --> 01:20:27,932
Speaker 2: having hard conversations, they eat, drink and work as much

1603
01:20:28,013 --> 01:20:30,213
Speaker 2: as you can. He said. No one really talks about

1604
01:20:30,213 --> 01:20:33,813
Speaker 2: how they're feeling, especially the blokes. And for this individual

1605
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:36,492
Speaker 2: he worked there for ten years, he was going through

1606
01:20:36,532 --> 01:20:40,092
Speaker 2: some personal issues himself and then had a breakdown because

1607
01:20:40,093 --> 01:20:44,893
Speaker 2: of the lack of social connection, the heavy drinking and

1608
01:20:45,652 --> 01:20:48,053
Speaker 2: the fact that he was working twelve hour days, big days,

1609
01:20:48,053 --> 01:20:49,772
Speaker 2: so hard work. So love to hear from you if

1610
01:20:49,812 --> 01:20:53,012
Speaker 2: you've done fifo or worked in the minds it gets

1611
01:20:53,093 --> 01:20:55,932
Speaker 2: hyped up a lot in this country, and many young people,

1612
01:20:56,013 --> 01:20:58,452
Speaker 2: particularly in this economy, are being told if you want

1613
01:20:58,492 --> 01:21:00,732
Speaker 2: to set yourself up, head to perth, go and work

1614
01:21:00,772 --> 01:21:03,213
Speaker 2: in the minds, go do the fi fo and you

1615
01:21:03,293 --> 01:21:05,772
Speaker 2: will set yourself up for life. Is that rarely the case?

1616
01:21:05,853 --> 01:21:07,492
Speaker 2: Is it hyped up a little bit too much? That

1617
01:21:08,013 --> 01:21:10,772
Speaker 2: it is incredibly hard work and it can be for

1618
01:21:10,893 --> 01:21:14,133
Speaker 2: many people incredibly hard living situations where you were put

1619
01:21:14,532 --> 01:21:16,972
Speaker 2: in a camp and as this gentleman says, you work

1620
01:21:17,013 --> 01:21:19,133
Speaker 2: a twelve hour shift, you come back to camp, you

1621
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:21,372
Speaker 2: hit the gym and then there is nothing else to

1622
01:21:21,492 --> 01:21:24,173
Speaker 2: do but hit the booze. Oh eight, one hundred eighty

1623
01:21:24,253 --> 01:21:26,053
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call love to hear

1624
01:21:26,093 --> 01:21:28,572
Speaker 2: your stories. If you've done five fo, how did it

1625
01:21:28,652 --> 01:21:30,612
Speaker 2: work out for you? And I imagine if you are

1626
01:21:30,933 --> 01:21:33,812
Speaker 2: trying to start a family or set yourself up with

1627
01:21:33,853 --> 01:21:37,612
Speaker 2: a family, that would be incredibly difficult, flying in, working

1628
01:21:37,732 --> 01:21:40,253
Speaker 2: hard than flying back out. But perhaps a lot of

1629
01:21:40,293 --> 01:21:42,612
Speaker 2: people make it work for themselves. Really keen to hear

1630
01:21:42,692 --> 01:21:44,972
Speaker 2: your stories? Is it still? Do you think a good

1631
01:21:45,013 --> 01:21:47,732
Speaker 2: option for young kiwis to go and do that. Maybe

1632
01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:51,012
Speaker 2: you do dig in for a good two three four years.

1633
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:53,293
Speaker 2: It might stress you out. It might not be great

1634
01:21:53,293 --> 01:21:55,213
Speaker 2: for your mental health, but you're gonna hopefully come away

1635
01:21:55,253 --> 01:21:57,412
Speaker 2: with a bit of cash. And if you were in

1636
01:21:57,492 --> 01:21:59,972
Speaker 2: that situation, and I think I would have found myself

1637
01:22:00,013 --> 01:22:02,933
Speaker 2: in this situation good money, but I think I just

1638
01:22:02,933 --> 01:22:06,172
Speaker 2: would have pissed it all away on booze. That's reality

1639
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:09,452
Speaker 2: when you're young eighteen nineteen twenty and you're surrounded by

1640
01:22:10,612 --> 01:22:13,253
Speaker 2: mostly a lot of other younger, younger lads and all

1641
01:22:13,372 --> 01:22:15,173
Speaker 2: that there is to do on a weekend is to

1642
01:22:15,293 --> 01:22:18,213
Speaker 2: spend your money at the local pub. I can see

1643
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:20,173
Speaker 2: how people would fall into that trap. So really keen

1644
01:22:20,213 --> 01:22:21,452
Speaker 2: to have a chat with you? Oh, eight hundred and

1645
01:22:21,452 --> 01:22:23,372
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call the phones

1646
01:22:23,412 --> 01:22:24,692
Speaker 2: of lit Up if you want to send a text

1647
01:22:24,772 --> 01:22:27,652
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two and my email Tyler at Newstalk

1648
01:22:27,732 --> 01:22:30,532
Speaker 2: ZB dot co dot nz. Yet it is ten past

1649
01:22:30,572 --> 01:22:34,972
Speaker 2: three on news Talk ZB Afternoon to you. It's thirteen

1650
01:22:35,053 --> 01:22:37,972
Speaker 2: past three and we're talking about five fo workover in Australia,

1651
01:22:38,053 --> 01:22:40,973
Speaker 2: fly in, fly out Australian mining jobs a story in

1652
01:22:41,013 --> 01:22:43,892
Speaker 2: the Herald today. But a young Kiwek called Lockey Samuel.

1653
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:46,213
Speaker 2: He worked in the mines for ten years fly and

1654
01:22:46,293 --> 01:22:48,492
Speaker 2: fly out and effectively had a breakdown. He said it

1655
01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:52,013
Speaker 2: was long days and there was bugger all to do

1656
01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:54,452
Speaker 2: apart from drink a lots, and he was dealing with

1657
01:22:54,532 --> 01:22:56,972
Speaker 2: some personal stuff. And he says that is not uncommon

1658
01:22:57,372 --> 01:23:00,052
Speaker 2: in the mining situation, that there's a lot of young

1659
01:23:00,692 --> 01:23:02,812
Speaker 2: men who go there for big money, but they're dealing

1660
01:23:02,853 --> 01:23:05,572
Speaker 2: with some personal issues and the lack of connection and

1661
01:23:05,652 --> 01:23:09,973
Speaker 2: the social isolation and the heavy drinking can destroy a

1662
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:11,892
Speaker 2: lot of people that get into that profession. So love

1663
01:23:11,933 --> 01:23:14,532
Speaker 2: to hear from you if you've done firefox work? How

1664
01:23:14,692 --> 01:23:17,133
Speaker 2: hard was it and is it still a good option

1665
01:23:17,293 --> 01:23:19,932
Speaker 2: for young kiwis, particularly in this economy, who were looking

1666
01:23:20,452 --> 01:23:22,093
Speaker 2: to earn some good coin O one hundred and eighty

1667
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:25,173
Speaker 2: ten eighties and number to call, Get a mark, Hey,

1668
01:23:25,293 --> 01:23:25,852
Speaker 2: geta tyler.

1669
01:23:25,933 --> 01:23:26,652
Speaker 6: How's the going mate?

1670
01:23:26,973 --> 01:23:29,652
Speaker 2: Very good? So you did three years of firefox work.

1671
01:23:29,612 --> 01:23:29,812
Speaker 18: Did you?

1672
01:23:31,013 --> 01:23:31,372
Speaker 4: I did?

1673
01:23:31,492 --> 01:23:31,652
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1674
01:23:31,692 --> 01:23:34,293
Speaker 12: From that twenty ten, I worked with Rio Tinto for

1675
01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 12: about two and a half years and then I went

1676
01:23:35,933 --> 01:23:40,652
Speaker 12: to Chinese mindset of Pacific in Character and wa there.

1677
01:23:40,772 --> 01:23:42,612
Speaker 12: So I know quite a bit about it.

1678
01:23:42,893 --> 01:23:44,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how did you first get into it? Were

1679
01:23:44,772 --> 01:23:46,652
Speaker 2: you quite a young fellow when you first started the

1680
01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:47,093
Speaker 2: fire fo.

1681
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:49,932
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was pretty much to just finish my boarding

1682
01:23:49,973 --> 01:23:53,173
Speaker 12: apprenticeship and look in Brisbane. The ways went too high

1683
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:55,812
Speaker 12: and just talking to a mate on the weekend hit

1684
01:23:56,053 --> 01:23:57,893
Speaker 12: a sort of a leader up there. So I just

1685
01:23:57,933 --> 01:24:00,932
Speaker 12: got in touch with the firm out there and pretty

1686
01:24:01,013 --> 01:24:03,293
Speaker 12: much packed the bags and flew to person that was

1687
01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:06,293
Speaker 12: up for about three years. So just working as a carpenter.

1688
01:24:06,692 --> 01:24:09,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so I don't know if you've read

1689
01:24:09,093 --> 01:24:10,933
Speaker 2: this story, but just hearing a little bit about what

1690
01:24:11,013 --> 01:24:13,652
Speaker 2: happened to this young fella. Ten years is a long time,

1691
01:24:13,772 --> 01:24:16,532
Speaker 2: but it does seem like, Yeah, it does seem like

1692
01:24:16,612 --> 01:24:20,772
Speaker 2: incredibly incredibly hard work, but not just the hard work

1693
01:24:20,812 --> 01:24:25,692
Speaker 2: aspect mark that social isolation must take its toll after

1694
01:24:25,772 --> 01:24:26,093
Speaker 2: a while.

1695
01:24:26,692 --> 01:24:26,892
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1696
01:24:27,253 --> 01:24:29,692
Speaker 12: Absolutely. Where like you said, you do twelve hour day,

1697
01:24:29,812 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 12: SE's starting in the dark, so you don't get an

1698
01:24:32,532 --> 01:24:35,572
Speaker 12: appreciation about holding themotic kicks during the day. When you

1699
01:24:35,652 --> 01:24:37,412
Speaker 12: do your twelve hour day, you go back to what's

1700
01:24:37,452 --> 01:24:39,692
Speaker 12: called a donga, which we used to call the presents out.

1701
01:24:39,732 --> 01:24:43,253
Speaker 12: It's not just the TV in a bed. Yeah, and literally,

1702
01:24:43,652 --> 01:24:45,452
Speaker 12: if you've got a good you get a different money

1703
01:24:45,452 --> 01:24:47,933
Speaker 12: every sling. So I was doing four and one, so

1704
01:24:48,093 --> 01:24:51,412
Speaker 12: four weeks on, one week off when they actually nickname

1705
01:24:51,492 --> 01:24:55,093
Speaker 12: that the silicide Ship because it is quite it's quite

1706
01:24:55,133 --> 01:24:57,213
Speaker 12: devastating on the young guys that are dealing quite a

1707
01:24:57,253 --> 01:25:00,173
Speaker 12: bit of work. I do want to say, look the

1708
01:25:00,293 --> 01:25:02,492
Speaker 12: guy that there's no one taking any drugs out there,

1709
01:25:02,492 --> 01:25:04,372
Speaker 12: because you pretty much get tested on your way in

1710
01:25:04,933 --> 01:25:06,972
Speaker 12: and as you leave, and then just mandatory every MUK.

1711
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 12: That's really the drink that you get stuck into. And

1712
01:25:11,612 --> 01:25:16,053
Speaker 12: the trip was five four, five ten fourteen, and there's

1713
01:25:16,133 --> 01:25:18,293
Speaker 12: bread testers all around the camp. See your bread, test

1714
01:25:18,372 --> 01:25:22,372
Speaker 12: yourself and check out you're going. But generally, if you're

1715
01:25:22,412 --> 01:25:23,972
Speaker 12: not going to the gym, which was the drive mess,

1716
01:25:24,013 --> 01:25:25,893
Speaker 12: you'd go the weakness, which was the bar, and that

1717
01:25:26,013 --> 01:25:28,532
Speaker 12: was generally where most guys went because it's forty plus

1718
01:25:28,612 --> 01:25:30,933
Speaker 12: degrees out there. You've just done twelve hours on a

1719
01:25:31,013 --> 01:25:32,892
Speaker 12: grinder or something and you just want to have a beer.

1720
01:25:33,213 --> 01:25:34,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine that.

1721
01:25:35,133 --> 01:25:35,333
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1722
01:25:35,452 --> 01:25:38,412
Speaker 2: So what sort of money were you on in the end? Mark?

1723
01:25:38,452 --> 01:25:41,133
Speaker 2: Are we closing in on what this young fellow was doing?

1724
01:25:41,133 --> 01:25:41,652
Speaker 2: Two hundred k?

1725
01:25:41,812 --> 01:25:41,972
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1726
01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:44,213
Speaker 12: Year I was on, Yeah, I was on about two

1727
01:25:44,293 --> 01:25:47,133
Speaker 12: twenty in the end. I actually I was out there,

1728
01:25:47,253 --> 01:25:49,532
Speaker 12: just a backstore of me real quickly, I was there

1729
01:25:49,732 --> 01:25:51,173
Speaker 12: for a means to an end sort of thing. Night

1730
01:25:51,253 --> 01:25:52,652
Speaker 12: a house on the Gold Coast which I lost a

1731
01:25:52,692 --> 01:25:54,972
Speaker 12: bit of money on, so I had to pay that off,

1732
01:25:55,053 --> 01:25:57,052
Speaker 12: and I managed to pay that off for seven months,

1733
01:25:57,213 --> 01:26:00,053
Speaker 12: was about sixty grand. And then I actually managed to

1734
01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:02,293
Speaker 12: save a depositive by an Auckland, so we bought our

1735
01:26:02,333 --> 01:26:05,772
Speaker 12: first home when I came back after three years. So

1736
01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:07,932
Speaker 12: it was just the means beweend. I didn't have any

1737
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:10,932
Speaker 12: kids the time, but decently couldn't do that now. It's

1738
01:26:10,973 --> 01:26:12,253
Speaker 12: a single man's game for sure.

1739
01:26:12,532 --> 01:26:15,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would be It sounds like you did

1740
01:26:15,053 --> 01:26:17,572
Speaker 2: it right, Mark, that you went over there with the

1741
01:26:17,973 --> 01:26:20,093
Speaker 2: aim and mind you save as much as possible and

1742
01:26:20,213 --> 01:26:22,652
Speaker 2: get yourself on the property ladder and then come back

1743
01:26:22,692 --> 01:26:25,173
Speaker 2: here to New Zealand. I imagine for a lot of

1744
01:26:25,253 --> 01:26:28,093
Speaker 2: the guys that you were working along that it might

1745
01:26:28,133 --> 01:26:30,093
Speaker 2: have been the strategy. But it quickly went by the

1746
01:26:30,173 --> 01:26:33,333
Speaker 2: wayside when you know they're facing that isolation and they've

1747
01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:36,053
Speaker 2: got all this money coming in and the idea of

1748
01:26:36,133 --> 01:26:38,412
Speaker 2: buying toys and trips and all the rest of it

1749
01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:39,293
Speaker 2: just went to the head.

1750
01:26:40,612 --> 01:26:42,732
Speaker 12: You definitely did that. Bought the dirt bike and the

1751
01:26:42,812 --> 01:26:45,772
Speaker 12: ranger waiting for move when I got home, and a

1752
01:26:46,173 --> 01:26:48,452
Speaker 12: lot of the other guys, see I met my part house,

1753
01:26:48,532 --> 01:26:49,933
Speaker 12: went through my time out of there, so it was

1754
01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:53,492
Speaker 12: kind of ticking clocks. You wanted to have kids settled down,

1755
01:26:53,572 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 12: so I was always coming back. But a couple of

1756
01:26:55,333 --> 01:26:57,932
Speaker 12: young guys they because you're getting a week off, you've

1757
01:26:57,933 --> 01:26:59,372
Speaker 12: got a ton of money in the bank, they just

1758
01:26:59,452 --> 01:27:01,492
Speaker 12: actually just go to underneath. They go to Barley for

1759
01:27:01,652 --> 01:27:04,333
Speaker 12: the week off and then come back. Yeah, so some

1760
01:27:04,492 --> 01:27:06,772
Speaker 12: guys made it work for them. It's a real mental

1761
01:27:06,893 --> 01:27:11,293
Speaker 12: games kine of overwhelming. Overwhelming to imagine when you start

1762
01:27:11,372 --> 01:27:13,852
Speaker 12: a job, you're there for a month, four weeks and

1763
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:17,612
Speaker 12: you get one Sunday off in that four weeks and

1764
01:27:17,812 --> 01:27:19,852
Speaker 12: then that's so it's kind of hard to put them

1765
01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:22,133
Speaker 12: in the despect that you could have four months work

1766
01:27:22,213 --> 01:27:25,772
Speaker 12: every single day forty plus degree. So a lot of

1767
01:27:25,812 --> 01:27:28,412
Speaker 12: guys picked up little things like one guy was learning

1768
01:27:28,452 --> 01:27:30,253
Speaker 12: the guitar, one guy was.

1769
01:27:30,293 --> 01:27:30,892
Speaker 4: Learned to edit.

1770
01:27:31,772 --> 01:27:35,213
Speaker 12: There were a couple that was truly like shortchank the emptine.

1771
01:27:35,293 --> 01:27:37,412
Speaker 12: It was like the partment operates out of one of

1772
01:27:37,452 --> 01:27:37,972
Speaker 12: the Dongers.

1773
01:27:38,893 --> 01:27:39,173
Speaker 5: It was.

1774
01:27:39,492 --> 01:27:42,372
Speaker 12: It's it's cold of how they kept some stories now,

1775
01:27:43,133 --> 01:27:45,253
Speaker 12: but it's definitely for me as it means going end.

1776
01:27:45,333 --> 01:27:48,772
Speaker 12: But this young gentleman doing ten years, that's that's a fairy,

1777
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:49,772
Speaker 12: really good slob.

1778
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:50,372
Speaker 6: I think.

1779
01:27:50,772 --> 01:27:54,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever watch the movie with Liam Nissan

1780
01:27:54,772 --> 01:27:55,492
Speaker 2: and it called The Gray?

1781
01:27:56,812 --> 01:27:56,972
Speaker 12: Yes?

1782
01:27:57,412 --> 01:28:00,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean having a snow Yeah, yeah, So it's

1783
01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,133
Speaker 2: a it's a it's an oil refinery and they you know,

1784
01:28:03,253 --> 01:28:06,093
Speaker 2: they jet and all these pretty hard fellas who are

1785
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:08,973
Speaker 2: working in the the oil refinery and he's there as

1786
01:28:09,013 --> 01:28:11,253
Speaker 2: a hunter to keep the wolves at bay. But the

1787
01:28:11,372 --> 01:28:13,532
Speaker 2: scene at the start where he's dealing with, you know

1788
01:28:13,612 --> 01:28:15,572
Speaker 2: a bit of depression in his life and then he

1789
01:28:15,652 --> 01:28:18,412
Speaker 2: goes to the bar and then scraps and heavy drinking.

1790
01:28:18,812 --> 01:28:21,492
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's you know, I get that picture of that

1791
01:28:21,652 --> 01:28:25,013
Speaker 2: situation in the minds. Is that is that kind of

1792
01:28:25,093 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 2: a little bit what it's like that they're quite hard

1793
01:28:27,372 --> 01:28:29,173
Speaker 2: individuals that associated with that work.

1794
01:28:30,293 --> 01:28:32,532
Speaker 12: Definitely a lot of guys out there hiding from stuff,

1795
01:28:32,572 --> 01:28:33,693
Speaker 12: for sure. Absolutely.

1796
01:28:34,532 --> 01:28:35,692
Speaker 17: And look I.

1797
01:28:35,772 --> 01:28:38,053
Speaker 12: Mentioned that one Sunday you get off in that four

1798
01:28:38,093 --> 01:28:41,253
Speaker 12: week period or that one Sunday camp is absolutely diabolical.

1799
01:28:42,173 --> 01:28:43,213
Speaker 15: It's just guys.

1800
01:28:43,492 --> 01:28:46,492
Speaker 12: You guys are going getting on the drink. It's actually amazing.

1801
01:28:46,572 --> 01:28:51,012
Speaker 12: Conflict is they've got full gym, swimming pools, big movie theaters,

1802
01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:55,492
Speaker 12: bars with Paul tables. Anytime the Transphasent racing games came on,

1803
01:28:55,572 --> 01:28:57,412
Speaker 12: it's always pretty big and plenty of key.

1804
01:28:57,452 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 6: We see.

1805
01:28:57,772 --> 01:28:59,093
Speaker 12: Didn't feel like you're far away from.

1806
01:28:59,013 --> 01:28:59,972
Speaker 11: New Zealand, that's for sure.

1807
01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:04,412
Speaker 12: Yeah, but no, definitely on that Sunday would absolutely diabolical

1808
01:29:04,452 --> 01:29:06,013
Speaker 12: to about six pm and then you'd be able to

1809
01:29:06,053 --> 01:29:08,972
Speaker 12: hear a pin drop that everyone has to be zeros

1810
01:29:09,053 --> 01:29:11,133
Speaker 12: before they start their swing the next day, so you've

1811
01:29:11,173 --> 01:29:15,213
Speaker 12: not allowed your time to basically becomes over again before

1812
01:29:15,253 --> 01:29:16,013
Speaker 12: we go to work.

1813
01:29:16,213 --> 01:29:18,133
Speaker 2: It's a good inside mark and if you had your time,

1814
01:29:18,173 --> 01:29:18,452
Speaker 2: you'd do.

1815
01:29:18,452 --> 01:29:21,772
Speaker 12: It again, absolutely mate. I'll tell my boys if you

1816
01:29:21,812 --> 01:29:24,253
Speaker 12: can do it just one or two years, just bank it,

1817
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:26,213
Speaker 12: get your first home. You know, I wouldn't have been

1818
01:29:26,213 --> 01:29:28,213
Speaker 12: able to do it without it, so I'd recommend it

1819
01:29:28,732 --> 01:29:29,133
Speaker 12: for sure.

1820
01:29:29,293 --> 01:29:31,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it. Nice to chat with you, Thank you

1821
01:29:31,133 --> 01:29:33,053
Speaker 2: very much. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've

1822
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:35,532
Speaker 2: done five fo or work in the mines, how was it?

1823
01:29:36,093 --> 01:29:38,213
Speaker 2: Where were you in a similar situation? To Mark that

1824
01:29:38,253 --> 01:29:39,372
Speaker 2: you had in your mind that you were going to

1825
01:29:39,412 --> 01:29:41,293
Speaker 2: put this money away and you stayed off the booze

1826
01:29:41,333 --> 01:29:43,133
Speaker 2: and maybe you didn't buy so many toys and made

1827
01:29:43,213 --> 01:29:46,532
Speaker 2: it work or was it incredibly incredibly difficult. Love to

1828
01:29:46,572 --> 01:29:48,293
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1829
01:29:48,372 --> 01:29:50,533
Speaker 2: is a number to call, going to get to Steve.

1830
01:29:50,412 --> 01:29:58,213
Speaker 1: Next Well, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight

1831
01:29:58,333 --> 01:30:01,532
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk, z'd be afternoon.

1832
01:30:01,532 --> 01:30:03,612
Speaker 2: We're talking about working in the Australia minds or fly

1833
01:30:03,772 --> 01:30:05,732
Speaker 2: in and fly out work. A story in the Herald

1834
01:30:05,732 --> 01:30:07,173
Speaker 2: today but a young man who did it for ten

1835
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:09,413
Speaker 2: years and sadly he had a bit of a breakdown.

1836
01:30:09,772 --> 01:30:12,253
Speaker 2: The quote was that at twenty eight years old, he

1837
01:30:12,293 --> 01:30:14,173
Speaker 2: had to be evacuated from his work site in Western

1838
01:30:14,173 --> 01:30:16,412
Speaker 2: Australia after telling his boss that if he went back

1839
01:30:16,452 --> 01:30:18,692
Speaker 2: into his room he might never come out. So how

1840
01:30:18,812 --> 01:30:21,932
Speaker 2: hard is it? A lot of young kiwis, particularly now

1841
01:30:22,173 --> 01:30:24,372
Speaker 2: in this economic climate, are looking to do fire for

1842
01:30:24,652 --> 01:30:27,293
Speaker 2: or austral Australian mining work. So love to hear your

1843
01:30:27,372 --> 01:30:29,892
Speaker 2: experiences of one hundred and eighty ten eighty get a Steve,

1844
01:30:31,053 --> 01:30:33,133
Speaker 2: how are you going, good mate? So you did it

1845
01:30:33,213 --> 01:30:33,852
Speaker 2: for a few years.

1846
01:30:35,013 --> 01:30:37,412
Speaker 13: I did it for two years, about ten years ago

1847
01:30:37,492 --> 01:30:41,452
Speaker 13: on a gas pipeline out the back of Queensland and

1848
01:30:42,093 --> 01:30:43,012
Speaker 13: it was hard work.

1849
01:30:43,612 --> 01:30:46,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so well yeah you go mate.

1850
01:30:46,532 --> 01:30:46,732
Speaker 12: Sorry.

1851
01:30:46,853 --> 01:30:51,652
Speaker 13: I was driving earth moving machinery and we worked twelve

1852
01:30:51,732 --> 01:30:54,892
Speaker 13: our days, twelve to thirteen our days, twenty eight days

1853
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:56,812
Speaker 13: on nine days off japers.

1854
01:30:57,293 --> 01:30:58,012
Speaker 2: That's full grind.

1855
01:30:59,253 --> 01:31:01,652
Speaker 13: Yeah, and within nine days off, two of that was

1856
01:31:01,772 --> 01:31:03,372
Speaker 13: traveling to and from the job.

1857
01:31:04,612 --> 01:31:07,012
Speaker 2: Would they still do that, Steve? I mean that twenty

1858
01:31:07,093 --> 01:31:09,452
Speaker 2: eight days on a nine days days off, that is

1859
01:31:10,532 --> 01:31:13,372
Speaker 2: that's punishing for anybody. You know that they must have

1860
01:31:13,452 --> 01:31:14,412
Speaker 2: tuned through the workers.

1861
01:31:15,772 --> 01:31:15,972
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1862
01:31:16,452 --> 01:31:16,652
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1863
01:31:16,692 --> 01:31:20,173
Speaker 13: The turnover was high because a lot of people didn't

1864
01:31:20,213 --> 01:31:23,812
Speaker 13: cope with it with their mental health. And we lived

1865
01:31:23,853 --> 01:31:26,692
Speaker 13: in these dongas and you've got a king size single bed,

1866
01:31:27,093 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 13: a desk, a TV, a small fridge and a little

1867
01:31:30,213 --> 01:31:33,412
Speaker 13: tiny bathroom. It was like a forty foot container with

1868
01:31:33,572 --> 01:31:34,333
Speaker 13: four rooms in it.

1869
01:31:35,013 --> 01:31:37,532
Speaker 2: So effectively, all you're doing for those twenty eight days

1870
01:31:37,612 --> 01:31:39,812
Speaker 2: is going to work, go home, have some dinner, go

1871
01:31:39,933 --> 01:31:41,412
Speaker 2: to sleep, wake up, do it all again.

1872
01:31:42,452 --> 01:31:42,652
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1873
01:31:42,812 --> 01:31:44,892
Speaker 13: My day started at four point thirty in the morning

1874
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:47,173
Speaker 13: where I'd leave my dollar. I would go and get

1875
01:31:47,213 --> 01:31:50,893
Speaker 13: my breakfast and pack my pack lunch, and then I

1876
01:31:50,973 --> 01:31:54,732
Speaker 13: would go to the crew bus around a quarter to six,

1877
01:31:55,812 --> 01:31:58,692
Speaker 13: and then you would travel to your machine. They would

1878
01:31:58,772 --> 01:32:01,372
Speaker 13: drop your or fired up and you're in that machine

1879
01:32:01,412 --> 01:32:03,812
Speaker 13: for twelve hours far out.

1880
01:32:03,933 --> 01:32:06,293
Speaker 2: That is hard graft. And what was the pay, like,

1881
01:32:06,293 --> 01:32:07,732
Speaker 2: I imagine the pay would have been pretty good?

1882
01:32:08,772 --> 01:32:12,092
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was on about two hundred and fifty thousand

1883
01:32:12,173 --> 01:32:16,852
Speaker 13: Australian dollars a year. I think I took home three thousand,

1884
01:32:17,013 --> 01:32:20,452
Speaker 13: four hundred Australian every week, yep, and I paid about

1885
01:32:20,492 --> 01:32:22,012
Speaker 13: two thousand dollars in tax.

1886
01:32:23,293 --> 01:32:25,892
Speaker 2: Good money. Did you manage to save quite a chunk

1887
01:32:25,933 --> 01:32:27,092
Speaker 2: of that at the end of two years.

1888
01:32:27,973 --> 01:32:29,973
Speaker 13: Yeah, I did. I had enough money at the I

1889
01:32:30,173 --> 01:32:33,852
Speaker 13: saved around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars Australian and

1890
01:32:33,933 --> 01:32:36,412
Speaker 13: two years. I didn't spend a lot. I made a

1891
01:32:36,532 --> 01:32:39,492
Speaker 13: rule that I would not drink on my twenty eight

1892
01:32:39,612 --> 01:32:43,133
Speaker 13: days on. So we would get back to the camp

1893
01:32:43,213 --> 01:32:45,973
Speaker 13: around six o'clock six thirty at night. I would have

1894
01:32:46,053 --> 01:32:49,093
Speaker 13: a shower, eat my lunch, eat my dinner, and I'd

1895
01:32:49,133 --> 01:32:50,733
Speaker 13: be in bed by hal about seven.

1896
01:32:52,013 --> 01:32:55,412
Speaker 2: Exhaust I pet made pet. I'm tired listening to that

1897
01:32:55,532 --> 01:32:58,412
Speaker 2: sort of work schedule. So is that the thinking you're

1898
01:32:58,412 --> 01:32:59,933
Speaker 2: going to go when with Steve that if you're a

1899
01:33:00,013 --> 01:33:03,892
Speaker 2: young fellow looking to get into that what you did, Yeah,

1900
01:33:03,973 --> 01:33:06,572
Speaker 2: the money is fantastic, but you're there for the grind.

1901
01:33:06,652 --> 01:33:08,173
Speaker 2: That's all you're doing. If you're thinking you're going to

1902
01:33:08,333 --> 01:33:10,412
Speaker 2: already hard and all the rest of it, yet you're

1903
01:33:10,412 --> 01:33:11,372
Speaker 2: going into the wrong work.

1904
01:33:12,772 --> 01:33:16,132
Speaker 13: I used to sit, like in our camps. We had camps,

1905
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:20,052
Speaker 13: and they would build these camps for eight hundred men yep,

1906
01:33:20,412 --> 01:33:22,892
Speaker 13: and they have a camp every hundred ks, and they'd

1907
01:33:22,973 --> 01:33:27,253
Speaker 13: move it, move that camp up further. And I would

1908
01:33:27,333 --> 01:33:31,492
Speaker 13: sit in my dollar at nighttime listening to people arguing

1909
01:33:31,732 --> 01:33:37,093
Speaker 13: down down the corridors had like a path between them, yep,

1910
01:33:37,572 --> 01:33:40,852
Speaker 13: arguing with their partners. That just they just were their

1911
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:46,092
Speaker 13: partners were not coping with their husband's boyfriends whatever, being away.

1912
01:33:46,812 --> 01:33:49,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, so on the phone, I think he meant so

1913
01:33:49,692 --> 01:33:52,053
Speaker 2: the partners weren't living on site. That was on the

1914
01:33:52,093 --> 01:33:53,453
Speaker 2: phone having those conversations.

1915
01:33:53,532 --> 01:33:54,733
Speaker 13: Yeah, fok stations.

1916
01:33:54,853 --> 01:33:56,892
Speaker 15: Yeah. Yeah, it is hard work.

1917
01:33:57,053 --> 01:34:00,133
Speaker 13: It's a young man's job. I was around fifty years

1918
01:34:00,173 --> 01:34:01,692
Speaker 13: old when I took it on and I had a

1919
01:34:01,772 --> 01:34:05,012
Speaker 13: friend that rang me to ask I've given two years

1920
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:07,213
Speaker 13: because I was so short of operators.

1921
01:34:07,612 --> 01:34:10,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as you say, yeah, sorry, you go, mate,

1922
01:34:10,333 --> 01:34:10,692
Speaker 2: finish that.

1923
01:34:11,372 --> 01:34:14,093
Speaker 13: And then towards the end of the job job, I

1924
01:34:14,173 --> 01:34:15,893
Speaker 13: knew where we're coming to the end. I said to

1925
01:34:15,973 --> 01:34:18,213
Speaker 13: him one day, I want to be made redundant of

1926
01:34:18,372 --> 01:34:21,772
Speaker 13: rather Australians keep their jobs than me. And two days

1927
01:34:21,853 --> 01:34:23,732
Speaker 13: later I was on a plane back to New Zealand.

1928
01:34:24,333 --> 01:34:27,013
Speaker 2: Cheaper, I mean absolute hard graft. As you say, make

1929
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:29,452
Speaker 2: the money that is that is good money in anyone's eyes,

1930
01:34:29,572 --> 01:34:32,173
Speaker 2: but that is that is hard yack at twenty eight

1931
01:34:32,253 --> 01:34:33,932
Speaker 2: days on and nine days off and as you say,

1932
01:34:33,973 --> 01:34:37,013
Speaker 2: two days traveling. So I mean that's what when we

1933
01:34:37,053 --> 01:34:39,692
Speaker 2: were talking about this story, I thought, and looking at

1934
01:34:39,692 --> 01:34:41,852
Speaker 2: this young guy's experience as well, it is nigh on

1935
01:34:41,973 --> 01:34:43,772
Speaker 2: impossible if you want to If you do that for

1936
01:34:43,853 --> 01:34:45,293
Speaker 2: ten years and you want to try and start a

1937
01:34:45,412 --> 01:34:49,013
Speaker 2: family or set up that side of your life, that

1938
01:34:49,293 --> 01:34:52,013
Speaker 2: feels incredibly difficult, if not nigh on impossible.

1939
01:34:53,213 --> 01:34:57,692
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's hard work, mate, Yeah, and I believe now

1940
01:34:57,812 --> 01:35:00,572
Speaker 13: the money's even less than what I was getting paid.

1941
01:35:00,612 --> 01:35:03,572
Speaker 13: I still have a friend over there doing it, and

1942
01:35:03,772 --> 01:35:05,652
Speaker 13: he's saying the money's not like it used to be,

1943
01:35:05,893 --> 01:35:08,213
Speaker 13: and the conditions are not like they used to be.

1944
01:35:08,853 --> 01:35:08,933
Speaker 6: Right.

1945
01:35:09,053 --> 01:35:11,412
Speaker 13: We didn't pay for food, we didn't pay for clothing,

1946
01:35:11,532 --> 01:35:16,093
Speaker 13: we didn't pay for He is too and from New Zealand. Yeah,

1947
01:35:16,133 --> 01:35:18,452
Speaker 13: we didn't pay for nothing. And then even on our

1948
01:35:18,532 --> 01:35:19,612
Speaker 13: break we got paid.

1949
01:35:20,732 --> 01:35:22,133
Speaker 2: And what did you do with the cash, Steve?

1950
01:35:23,532 --> 01:35:30,173
Speaker 13: I bought a rental place while nice, So that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1951
01:35:30,173 --> 01:35:33,572
Speaker 13: I was pretty much already set up. But I just, yeah,

1952
01:35:33,652 --> 01:35:36,293
Speaker 13: we didn't need the money, and I would only take

1953
01:35:36,933 --> 01:35:39,972
Speaker 13: spend two grand five hundred bucks of that a week week,

1954
01:35:40,013 --> 01:35:42,692
Speaker 13: which I transferred to Monday's on bank account when I left.

1955
01:35:42,692 --> 01:35:43,932
Speaker 13: I just support a whole lot home.

1956
01:35:44,173 --> 01:35:47,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, thank you very much for giving me a call.

1957
01:35:47,652 --> 01:35:49,692
Speaker 2: Far out twenty eight days on, nine days off and

1958
01:35:49,692 --> 01:35:53,293
Speaker 2: it sounded like hard yak at twelve thirty hourdays text

1959
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:55,213
Speaker 2: to here, Hi, Tyler, I've been doing three weeks on

1960
01:35:55,692 --> 01:35:58,572
Speaker 2: and off in oil and gas for fourteen years. You

1961
01:35:58,612 --> 01:36:00,852
Speaker 2: can't drink while it worked. For three weeks, work seven

1962
01:36:01,372 --> 01:36:04,173
Speaker 2: days a week, usually thirteen plus hours on forty four

1963
01:36:04,293 --> 01:36:06,652
Speaker 2: got a house paid off in Auckland, saving for a batch,

1964
01:36:06,772 --> 01:36:09,972
Speaker 2: getting paid three times I could get working in Auckland.

1965
01:36:10,253 --> 01:36:12,692
Speaker 2: Recommend it to any young fellow that is keen and

1966
01:36:13,173 --> 01:36:15,372
Speaker 2: can keep it together. Great text though, one hundred and

1967
01:36:15,372 --> 01:36:17,013
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is a number to call if you've

1968
01:36:17,053 --> 01:36:19,652
Speaker 2: done the Minds, or indeed if you're currently working in

1969
01:36:19,692 --> 01:36:21,652
Speaker 2: the Minds and doing five Fox love to hear from you.

1970
01:36:22,053 --> 01:36:24,772
Speaker 2: Headlines with Jody coming up, it's twenty nine past three.

1971
01:36:26,652 --> 01:36:27,253
Speaker 1: Youse talks.

1972
01:36:27,293 --> 01:36:30,972
Speaker 14: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1973
01:36:31,053 --> 01:36:33,973
Speaker 14: with the Blue bubble. Our Foreign Affairs minister says New

1974
01:36:34,053 --> 01:36:39,772
Speaker 14: Zealand's considering formally joining countries recognizing a Palestinian state. He

1975
01:36:39,853 --> 01:36:42,612
Speaker 14: says Cabinet will make a formal decision on when and

1976
01:36:42,812 --> 01:36:45,892
Speaker 14: how next month before he travels to the UN Leader's

1977
01:36:45,933 --> 01:36:49,293
Speaker 14: Week in New York. Australia is just announced it will

1978
01:36:49,412 --> 01:36:54,013
Speaker 14: recognize an independent Palestinian state at the UN in September.

1979
01:36:54,732 --> 01:37:00,053
Speaker 14: Concern people don't understand pay equity and the impacts of inequity,

1980
01:37:00,412 --> 01:37:03,372
Speaker 14: which are worse for women. A People Select committee is

1981
01:37:03,452 --> 01:37:06,972
Speaker 14: looking into the government canceling claims aiming to make pay

1982
01:37:07,333 --> 01:37:11,572
Speaker 14: gender free more professions for Maer Labor leader Phil Goffs

1983
01:37:11,612 --> 01:37:15,293
Speaker 14: had to spend one hundred and sixty thousand dollars fixing

1984
01:37:15,372 --> 01:37:18,492
Speaker 14: his Clevedend rental property which was used as a gang

1985
01:37:18,772 --> 01:37:22,173
Speaker 14: meth lab. The police helicopter and a dog have helped

1986
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:25,293
Speaker 14: arrest two men in Auckland overnight after a Mount Albert

1987
01:37:25,412 --> 01:37:29,133
Speaker 14: resident was disturbed by a creaking floorboard before seeing the

1988
01:37:29,173 --> 01:37:32,093
Speaker 14: silhouette of a man who fled well on. The Nui

1989
01:37:32,173 --> 01:37:34,692
Speaker 14: Council and the Government are jointly paying for a new

1990
01:37:34,812 --> 01:37:39,293
Speaker 14: taxiway for the city's airport. Woman shares how she discovered

1991
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 14: her partner's affair while her sister was dying. See the

1992
01:37:42,772 --> 01:37:45,893
Speaker 14: story at enzed Harold Premium. Back to Matt Heath and

1993
01:37:46,093 --> 01:37:47,213
Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

1994
01:37:47,013 --> 01:37:49,372
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jody. We're talking about five foe

1995
01:37:49,612 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 2: or working in the Australian mines fivefox, fly in fly out.

1996
01:37:53,652 --> 01:37:55,572
Speaker 2: It's long been tilted as a great way to set

1997
01:37:55,612 --> 01:37:59,412
Speaker 2: yourself up in life for many Kiwis. With the economy

1998
01:37:59,412 --> 01:38:01,412
Speaker 2: the way its are looking at the idea of going

1999
01:38:01,452 --> 01:38:03,372
Speaker 2: to the Australian mines in five fox. But there was

2000
01:38:03,412 --> 01:38:05,173
Speaker 2: a story in the Herald about a young Kiwi guy

2001
01:38:05,412 --> 01:38:08,173
Speaker 2: who worked in the mines for ten years, but it

2002
01:38:08,412 --> 01:38:10,572
Speaker 2: is hard, hard yacker for him and he ended up

2003
01:38:10,612 --> 01:38:12,852
Speaker 2: having a breakdown at the age of twenty eight and

2004
01:38:12,933 --> 01:38:14,532
Speaker 2: had to be evacuated out of there. So I love

2005
01:38:14,572 --> 01:38:16,652
Speaker 2: to hear your experiences. I eight hundred and eighty teen

2006
01:38:16,692 --> 01:38:19,013
Speaker 2: eighty is it still a good way to set yourself up?

2007
01:38:19,093 --> 01:38:21,173
Speaker 2: And just how how much hard yack it is it?

2008
01:38:21,253 --> 01:38:23,812
Speaker 2: O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2009
01:38:23,853 --> 01:38:26,812
Speaker 2: I've got a good email here as well, which I'll

2010
01:38:26,853 --> 01:38:29,412
Speaker 2: get to very shortly. But Warren, how are you this afternoon?

2011
01:38:29,973 --> 01:38:30,133
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2012
01:38:30,213 --> 01:38:33,452
Speaker 2: Good days, and talk to me about five fo So

2013
01:38:33,612 --> 01:38:37,013
Speaker 2: you you did quite a few years working in the minds.

2014
01:38:36,812 --> 01:38:36,973
Speaker 9: Was it?

2015
01:38:37,853 --> 01:38:38,053
Speaker 18: Yeah?

2016
01:38:38,492 --> 01:38:42,412
Speaker 6: I did seventeen years and jeepers. I went over when

2017
01:38:42,452 --> 01:38:47,612
Speaker 6: I was fifty with a partner and we yeah, good job,

2018
01:38:48,412 --> 01:38:50,772
Speaker 6: good douys, good place to where it.

2019
01:38:50,893 --> 01:38:52,172
Speaker 11: Was ticking all the boxes.

2020
01:38:52,732 --> 01:38:55,333
Speaker 2: So seventeen years is a long stint and a job

2021
01:38:55,452 --> 01:38:57,692
Speaker 2: like that, Warren, what were the hours like for you?

2022
01:38:58,772 --> 01:38:58,892
Speaker 13: Are?

2023
01:38:58,973 --> 01:39:00,932
Speaker 6: We will we be just to give you an idea

2024
01:39:00,973 --> 01:39:02,772
Speaker 6: of my day. We'll be starting at four o'clock in

2025
01:39:02,812 --> 01:39:06,492
Speaker 6: the morning. Get up, go and grab your breakfast.

2026
01:39:06,572 --> 01:39:08,293
Speaker 18: Grab your lunch on the pas.

2027
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:13,692
Speaker 6: Be on the basset sort of ha ass for what

2028
01:39:13,933 --> 01:39:19,333
Speaker 6: maybe five o'clock, decided six o'clock jumping the machine, twelve

2029
01:39:19,372 --> 01:39:22,932
Speaker 6: and a half hour day be the came at six thirty.

2030
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:27,213
Speaker 6: Then lunch go, sorry, go your lunch for the next day,

2031
01:39:28,492 --> 01:39:32,532
Speaker 6: grab some dinner the gym maybe for half an hour

2032
01:39:32,572 --> 01:39:36,093
Speaker 6: an hour and then being bid by probably serving seven thirty.

2033
01:39:37,412 --> 01:39:38,213
Speaker 2: It's a big day.

2034
01:39:38,492 --> 01:39:38,812
Speaker 5: And so.

2035
01:39:40,293 --> 01:39:43,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how long would you work consecutively and how

2036
01:39:43,652 --> 01:39:44,333
Speaker 2: much time would you.

2037
01:39:44,333 --> 01:39:47,532
Speaker 6: Have on when I first started, we were doing two

2038
01:39:47,612 --> 01:39:50,812
Speaker 6: weeks they stilling one So this is this is this

2039
01:39:50,933 --> 01:39:54,492
Speaker 6: is mining iron ore and it was happened to til Bra.

2040
01:39:56,612 --> 01:39:58,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, two weeks on, one week off. And whereabouts were

2041
01:39:58,732 --> 01:40:00,452
Speaker 2: you living or where was your your partner and your

2042
01:40:00,452 --> 01:40:01,012
Speaker 2: family living.

2043
01:40:01,732 --> 01:40:05,452
Speaker 6: No, they were down in Bandbary, Yeah, with flying out

2044
01:40:05,452 --> 01:40:05,732
Speaker 6: of pier.

2045
01:40:07,412 --> 01:40:09,372
Speaker 2: So how long would you get with the with the family.

2046
01:40:09,492 --> 01:40:11,492
Speaker 2: So you've got two weeks and then the week off

2047
01:40:12,133 --> 01:40:16,293
Speaker 2: and four days one week with the family, right, because

2048
01:40:16,293 --> 01:40:18,693
Speaker 2: it wasn't too far away, literally.

2049
01:40:18,412 --> 01:40:21,572
Speaker 6: Seven you had seven seven even time roster and then

2050
01:40:22,133 --> 01:40:25,333
Speaker 6: I did about five years that just because you're doing better.

2051
01:40:25,372 --> 01:40:27,293
Speaker 6: Bet you're doing one week of days and then a

2052
01:40:27,372 --> 01:40:30,053
Speaker 6: one week of nights and you progress that week off,

2053
01:40:30,133 --> 01:40:33,372
Speaker 6: you would be pretty naked and you would you would

2054
01:40:33,412 --> 01:40:36,452
Speaker 6: need that week to recover. And then the opportunity came

2055
01:40:36,572 --> 01:40:39,532
Speaker 6: up for a week on, week off roster and I

2056
01:40:39,652 --> 01:40:43,173
Speaker 6: carried on with that for the next what maybe twelve years,

2057
01:40:43,372 --> 01:40:45,412
Speaker 6: and that was that was a really good roster. I mean,

2058
01:40:45,452 --> 01:40:48,852
Speaker 6: obviously not as much money, but it's much easier to

2059
01:40:49,372 --> 01:40:52,732
Speaker 6: do in your recovery times, much better. So you work

2060
01:40:52,812 --> 01:40:55,133
Speaker 6: a week, have a week off, then you go and

2061
01:40:55,253 --> 01:40:56,932
Speaker 6: do your nights and then have a week off.

2062
01:40:58,013 --> 01:41:00,812
Speaker 2: Obviously you would have set yourself and your family up

2063
01:41:00,973 --> 01:41:02,893
Speaker 2: very well doing that, Warren, and good on you, But

2064
01:41:03,173 --> 01:41:05,532
Speaker 2: was there a part of you, even with the week

2065
01:41:05,612 --> 01:41:08,013
Speaker 2: on and week off, that you thought, I just want

2066
01:41:08,053 --> 01:41:10,053
Speaker 2: more time with my family or I want to look

2067
01:41:10,093 --> 01:41:12,652
Speaker 2: at doing something else where. I can you know, uh,

2068
01:41:12,973 --> 01:41:14,532
Speaker 2: not have to take a week off from seeing the

2069
01:41:14,572 --> 01:41:15,253
Speaker 2: family at a time.

2070
01:41:16,253 --> 01:41:20,253
Speaker 6: Yeah, and saying that like we had, we'd get four

2071
01:41:20,293 --> 01:41:23,333
Speaker 6: weeks off, like four weeks an you'll leave, so you

2072
01:41:23,492 --> 01:41:25,412
Speaker 6: back to back there and you take one week off

2073
01:41:25,452 --> 01:41:27,973
Speaker 6: and you're tacking three weeks off and generally you're being

2074
01:41:28,013 --> 01:41:29,652
Speaker 6: paid that as well. While you've got your time off.

2075
01:41:31,053 --> 01:41:34,892
Speaker 6: But well for us that was we didn't have any

2076
01:41:35,013 --> 01:41:37,372
Speaker 6: any responsibilities as far as kids go, they were all

2077
01:41:37,412 --> 01:41:39,532
Speaker 6: off our hands. We just went over there for a

2078
01:41:39,612 --> 01:41:43,772
Speaker 6: different experience and pop up the bank basically m and

2079
01:41:43,853 --> 01:41:48,452
Speaker 6: what's yeah, we only went We're only going to go

2080
01:41:48,692 --> 01:41:50,532
Speaker 6: there for a year, just to mark about and have

2081
01:41:50,612 --> 01:41:53,772
Speaker 6: a change of scenery. Basically I was been building trade.

2082
01:41:54,173 --> 01:41:57,333
Speaker 6: I just want to do something completely different. Opportunity arose

2083
01:41:57,492 --> 01:41:59,333
Speaker 6: and we ended up being the CD years, so it

2084
01:41:59,452 --> 01:42:00,133
Speaker 6: wasn't all bad.

2085
01:42:00,652 --> 01:42:03,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it worked out well because of

2086
01:42:03,333 --> 01:42:05,492
Speaker 2: the money you were getting in. Did that allow you

2087
01:42:05,772 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 2: your partner wife to stay at home and do that

2088
01:42:08,013 --> 01:42:10,093
Speaker 2: sort of things, you know, look after the kids or

2089
01:42:10,133 --> 01:42:11,093
Speaker 2: did she have to work as well?

2090
01:42:11,133 --> 01:42:12,893
Speaker 16: No, well she was.

2091
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 6: She was working as well and we went never have

2092
01:42:15,492 --> 01:42:17,572
Speaker 6: kids on her hands at that stage. They're all doing it.

2093
01:42:18,053 --> 01:42:21,532
Speaker 2: But if they were all getting the bear Yeah, man,

2094
01:42:21,652 --> 01:42:23,973
Speaker 2: seventeen years and you're finished now, So why did you

2095
01:42:24,293 --> 01:42:24,732
Speaker 2: give it up?

2096
01:42:27,412 --> 01:42:32,972
Speaker 6: Time to retire? I'm sixty five in there. The idea

2097
01:42:33,093 --> 01:42:35,852
Speaker 6: was to come well, we were in Australian and the

2098
01:42:35,933 --> 01:42:38,372
Speaker 6: idea was to come back to Livenues and probably sure

2099
01:42:38,893 --> 01:42:40,692
Speaker 6: the way building cloths are in the zeeland at the

2100
01:42:40,732 --> 01:42:43,133
Speaker 6: moment and the way you get get through counsel and

2101
01:42:43,253 --> 01:42:46,973
Speaker 6: what have you. We probably should have done another three years, hopefully.

2102
01:42:47,652 --> 01:42:51,052
Speaker 2: Well seventeen years. As you know that sort of shift, Warren,

2103
01:42:51,173 --> 01:42:53,492
Speaker 2: it's a it's a hell of an innings as they say, mate,

2104
01:42:54,053 --> 01:42:55,772
Speaker 2: and you get wigging, a lot of techs and phone

2105
01:42:55,772 --> 01:42:58,213
Speaker 2: calls coming in saying it's you know, young man's game

2106
01:42:58,253 --> 01:42:59,932
Speaker 2: that you get in, you do it for five years,

2107
01:43:00,013 --> 01:43:01,692
Speaker 2: put your head down and then get out. But you've

2108
01:43:02,213 --> 01:43:02,932
Speaker 2: you've beaten them.

2109
01:43:02,853 --> 01:43:04,732
Speaker 6: On that, absolutely got.

2110
01:43:05,093 --> 01:43:05,932
Speaker 24: There's a lot of people.

2111
01:43:06,213 --> 01:43:08,652
Speaker 6: I mean when went like the crew that we had,

2112
01:43:08,692 --> 01:43:11,652
Speaker 6: there were all sorts of people, real cross section of ages,

2113
01:43:12,812 --> 01:43:17,053
Speaker 6: genders and cultures, all sorts of people as a real

2114
01:43:17,133 --> 01:43:21,893
Speaker 6: mixed bag. And I mean I mean the accountant, their lawyers,

2115
01:43:22,492 --> 01:43:28,572
Speaker 6: policemen know, just all sorts of right across the board.

2116
01:43:29,652 --> 01:43:32,772
Speaker 2: Interesting to hear. So so lawyers, I mean were they

2117
01:43:32,933 --> 01:43:35,412
Speaker 2: they weren't operating as a lawyer, right, They obviously had

2118
01:43:35,412 --> 01:43:37,253
Speaker 2: a law degree and they came to the minds because

2119
01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:38,372
Speaker 2: they wanted something a bit different.

2120
01:43:39,133 --> 01:43:42,012
Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah, they had enough of what they were doing.

2121
01:43:42,053 --> 01:43:43,812
Speaker 6: I mean a lot of people you know for me,

2122
01:43:43,853 --> 01:43:45,652
Speaker 6: I've been in the building game for twenty seven years,

2123
01:43:46,173 --> 01:43:48,053
Speaker 6: and a lot of these guys and this was in

2124
01:43:48,093 --> 01:43:50,452
Speaker 6: the same same situation. You know, they've been doing the

2125
01:43:50,532 --> 01:43:54,092
Speaker 6: same thing for jeen twenty thirty years sort of thing teaching.

2126
01:43:54,133 --> 01:43:56,253
Speaker 6: They just want a complete change basically.

2127
01:43:56,013 --> 01:44:00,973
Speaker 2: And yeah, fascinating life, Warren in seventeen years, take my

2128
01:44:01,053 --> 01:44:02,692
Speaker 2: head off to you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

2129
01:44:02,732 --> 01:44:05,412
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call when we come back.

2130
01:44:05,452 --> 01:44:07,893
Speaker 2: We're going to have a chattoo guy called Sebastian and

2131
01:44:08,812 --> 01:44:13,293
Speaker 2: he started working five fo and twenty eleven, but can

2132
01:44:13,452 --> 01:44:15,692
Speaker 2: understand some of the mental strain that's involved in that.

2133
01:44:15,772 --> 01:44:17,133
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have a check to them. Coming up.

2134
01:44:17,173 --> 01:44:18,572
Speaker 2: It is twenty wonder four.

2135
01:44:20,053 --> 01:44:22,412
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2136
01:44:22,532 --> 01:44:26,733
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

2137
01:44:26,452 --> 01:44:29,932
Speaker 2: They'd be It is eighteen to four, Sebastian, how are

2138
01:44:29,933 --> 01:44:30,612
Speaker 2: you this afternoon?

2139
01:44:31,492 --> 01:44:31,892
Speaker 7: Good day?

2140
01:44:31,973 --> 01:44:32,213
Speaker 22: Tyler?

2141
01:44:32,253 --> 01:44:33,372
Speaker 6: How are you very good?

2142
01:44:33,412 --> 01:44:33,933
Speaker 2: To chat with you?

2143
01:44:34,093 --> 01:44:34,293
Speaker 6: Mate?

2144
01:44:34,333 --> 01:44:36,653
Speaker 2: So you started five four and twenty eleven.

2145
01:44:36,452 --> 01:44:38,812
Speaker 6: Is that right? I did? I did?

2146
01:44:38,973 --> 01:44:43,213
Speaker 7: I tagged along with a friend, got in contact with

2147
01:44:43,933 --> 01:44:47,092
Speaker 7: he just moved over to Perth to try and pursue

2148
01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:49,333
Speaker 7: a career in fivefo and he said, well, why don't

2149
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:52,612
Speaker 7: I give it a go, And I thought, yeah, why not.

2150
01:44:52,812 --> 01:44:55,812
Speaker 7: I spoke to my wife and we decided that we

2151
01:44:56,093 --> 01:44:58,772
Speaker 7: will try our best to make them to make it

2152
01:44:59,013 --> 01:45:03,412
Speaker 7: a mutual agreement and try and make sure that we

2153
01:45:03,532 --> 01:45:06,133
Speaker 7: don't get into the same situations that other couples do.

2154
01:45:07,013 --> 01:45:10,572
Speaker 7: And at the time, daughter just just been born, so

2155
01:45:11,013 --> 01:45:14,652
Speaker 7: I would have left when she was maybe six seven

2156
01:45:14,732 --> 01:45:19,093
Speaker 7: months old and my son would have been six and

2157
01:45:19,652 --> 01:45:22,692
Speaker 7: we said, look, this is probably probably a good way

2158
01:45:22,772 --> 01:45:25,812
Speaker 7: to get ahead. And I just winged it. I just

2159
01:45:25,893 --> 01:45:28,412
Speaker 7: took a punt, flew up to Perth, stayed with the

2160
01:45:28,452 --> 01:45:32,852
Speaker 7: friend with this friend of mine, his girlfriend was living

2161
01:45:32,933 --> 01:45:36,133
Speaker 7: in Perth, and it took me about five weeks just

2162
01:45:36,253 --> 01:45:39,973
Speaker 7: to get my name out there and started with electrical.

2163
01:45:40,213 --> 01:45:43,413
Speaker 7: I'm electrician by trade, so I started with the electrical

2164
01:45:44,333 --> 01:45:49,692
Speaker 7: construction company. And yeah, my first st and was nine

2165
01:45:49,732 --> 01:45:53,333
Speaker 7: weeks away from home. That was just factoring in, you know,

2166
01:45:53,572 --> 01:45:56,133
Speaker 7: the travel, the travel time up and just getting my

2167
01:45:56,253 --> 01:46:00,773
Speaker 7: name out there, getting a job. And our original swings

2168
01:46:00,973 --> 01:46:04,492
Speaker 7: back in twenty eleven was four weeks on, one week

2169
01:46:04,572 --> 01:46:08,173
Speaker 7: off right and I believe they've I believe they've canned

2170
01:46:08,173 --> 01:46:11,572
Speaker 7: that just due to the mental health issues I'm not doing.

2171
01:46:11,772 --> 01:46:15,253
Speaker 7: I'm not in fifo anymore. But yeah, back then, it

2172
01:46:15,492 --> 01:46:19,213
Speaker 7: was four weeks on, one week off, and no matter

2173
01:46:19,293 --> 01:46:24,973
Speaker 7: how hard you tried to be resilient and retain your

2174
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:27,012
Speaker 7: mental health, it took a punt.

2175
01:46:27,093 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 4: You know.

2176
01:46:27,333 --> 01:46:29,893
Speaker 7: I went up with the idea that there'd be no

2177
01:46:30,053 --> 01:46:33,333
Speaker 7: drinking or whatsoever. But I'll tell you what, when you

2178
01:46:33,452 --> 01:46:37,412
Speaker 7: spend seventy five percent of your month with different people,

2179
01:46:37,572 --> 01:46:40,772
Speaker 7: they sort of become your family, and you know, when

2180
01:46:40,812 --> 01:46:45,013
Speaker 7: you come back home, you kind of just feel out

2181
01:46:45,053 --> 01:46:50,813
Speaker 7: of place. Honestly, like it took a toll on our relationship.

2182
01:46:52,652 --> 01:46:55,133
Speaker 7: It nearly cost our marriage. But we were you know,

2183
01:46:55,213 --> 01:46:57,652
Speaker 7: we were just decided, look, look we just need to

2184
01:46:58,013 --> 01:47:00,652
Speaker 7: get back to the basics of why we actually doing this.

2185
01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:04,692
Speaker 7: And yeah, I worked my way up. Within six months,

2186
01:47:05,253 --> 01:47:10,732
Speaker 7: I was electrical supervisor, doing electrical commissioning and so sort

2187
01:47:10,732 --> 01:47:13,972
Speaker 7: of handing over the handing over the final construction project

2188
01:47:14,452 --> 01:47:18,652
Speaker 7: to the client for energization. And it's very interesting, very

2189
01:47:18,732 --> 01:47:23,852
Speaker 7: long days, a lot of paperwork. I'd done this for

2190
01:47:24,093 --> 01:47:27,652
Speaker 7: seven years, so on and off for seven years. Not

2191
01:47:27,732 --> 01:47:31,612
Speaker 7: seven years solid. I would normally do around nine to

2192
01:47:31,772 --> 01:47:34,812
Speaker 7: ten months of a year on a project and then

2193
01:47:35,013 --> 01:47:38,333
Speaker 7: generally either take the summers off or whenever the project

2194
01:47:38,372 --> 01:47:40,173
Speaker 7: finished and the next one that was going to kick off,

2195
01:47:41,893 --> 01:47:44,933
Speaker 7: I would generally take that time off just due to

2196
01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:47,572
Speaker 7: the fact that you'd earned enough money and you'd you

2197
01:47:47,652 --> 01:47:50,093
Speaker 7: were able to sort of just take some time out.

2198
01:47:50,812 --> 01:47:56,572
Speaker 7: But yeah, on my last on my last project, which

2199
01:47:56,732 --> 01:48:02,253
Speaker 7: was the Gina Reinhardt's Iron Ore facility, roy Hill, I

2200
01:48:02,412 --> 01:48:06,012
Speaker 7: was electrical superintendent there and my day rate was one thousand,

2201
01:48:06,053 --> 01:48:07,092
Speaker 7: two hundred and sixty.

2202
01:48:08,053 --> 01:48:10,973
Speaker 6: I was paying around.

2203
01:48:10,772 --> 01:48:12,852
Speaker 7: Four and a half thousand dollars tax a week.

2204
01:48:13,253 --> 01:48:16,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's huge money, isn't it by anyone's students?

2205
01:48:17,053 --> 01:48:20,093
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely so, I.

2206
01:48:20,133 --> 01:48:22,893
Speaker 2: Mean it sounds I mean clearly it's a very intense

2207
01:48:23,933 --> 01:48:27,452
Speaker 2: job and a way to operate, particularly for seven years.

2208
01:48:27,452 --> 01:48:31,653
Speaker 2: Whenn't it those strains in your relationship that you talked about, Sebastian,

2209
01:48:31,853 --> 01:48:34,133
Speaker 2: was that because of the time that you had away.

2210
01:48:35,293 --> 01:48:40,532
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Yeah, you just just you just became dysfunctional at home.

2211
01:48:40,612 --> 01:48:46,732
Speaker 7: Because I mean so the swings sort of the roster

2212
01:48:47,293 --> 01:48:50,612
Speaker 7: we call it swings, as you know, but we would

2213
01:48:51,612 --> 01:48:55,333
Speaker 7: it ended up being a three on one off and

2214
01:48:55,812 --> 01:48:58,293
Speaker 7: I was doing three weeks away one week off, and

2215
01:48:58,412 --> 01:49:01,452
Speaker 7: so in the one week off that was only seven days,

2216
01:49:01,492 --> 01:49:03,692
Speaker 7: seven and a half days, and I was traveling back

2217
01:49:03,933 --> 01:49:08,852
Speaker 7: from the Pilboro, so flying from the job site either

2218
01:49:08,973 --> 01:49:13,093
Speaker 7: Newman or port Edlund or roy Hill wherever I was

2219
01:49:13,692 --> 01:49:16,293
Speaker 7: back to Perth, catching the red eye back home, and

2220
01:49:16,572 --> 01:49:19,172
Speaker 7: then you know, i'd only i'd only be in Auckland.

2221
01:49:19,572 --> 01:49:22,372
Speaker 7: I'd only land at about one thirty and get home

2222
01:49:22,452 --> 01:49:25,492
Speaker 7: by about two thirty if I was lucky. So that

2223
01:49:25,692 --> 01:49:29,333
Speaker 7: was there was a whole day and a half gone,

2224
01:49:29,973 --> 01:49:32,852
Speaker 7: and then traveling back would be the same story. I'd

2225
01:49:32,933 --> 01:49:34,972
Speaker 7: rarely only get five and a half days at home.

2226
01:49:36,093 --> 01:49:38,652
Speaker 2: So it's a mess of transition, kind of psyche, isn't it?

2227
01:49:39,452 --> 01:49:39,732
Speaker 4: It is?

2228
01:49:39,933 --> 01:49:42,532
Speaker 7: It is, And you can imagine like you're coming home

2229
01:49:42,612 --> 01:49:45,812
Speaker 7: and the list of things that are broken and need repaired,

2230
01:49:45,893 --> 01:49:48,812
Speaker 7: and you know people that need attention. You do it

2231
01:49:48,893 --> 01:49:50,612
Speaker 7: all and then you go away for three weeks and

2232
01:49:50,652 --> 01:49:52,293
Speaker 7: you come back and you do it all over again.

2233
01:49:52,372 --> 01:49:54,053
Speaker 7: You know, it's like groundog day. And then you know

2234
01:49:54,173 --> 01:49:56,372
Speaker 7: you can see how the fights breakout and you know

2235
01:49:56,452 --> 01:50:01,893
Speaker 7: the aggravation because you're not there and and you know,

2236
01:50:02,093 --> 01:50:05,772
Speaker 7: it's just just snowballs, and I can I can totally

2237
01:50:05,853 --> 01:50:09,492
Speaker 7: relate to this youngster like this, and the previous caller

2238
01:50:09,772 --> 01:50:11,732
Speaker 7: as well that we was saying. You know that, you know,

2239
01:50:11,812 --> 01:50:13,972
Speaker 7: you get all sorts of different people work in there,

2240
01:50:14,053 --> 01:50:17,412
Speaker 7: but there is one thing that people need to go with,

2241
01:50:18,133 --> 01:50:21,412
Speaker 7: and it's the mindset of why you're doing this. If

2242
01:50:21,452 --> 01:50:24,972
Speaker 7: you're just doing this nearly willy, you won't last. You'll

2243
01:50:25,053 --> 01:50:30,172
Speaker 7: either you'll either just become an alcoholic or your blow shifts,

2244
01:50:30,452 --> 01:50:33,173
Speaker 7: or you know, you totally lose the plot. If you

2245
01:50:33,293 --> 01:50:37,532
Speaker 7: don't know why you are there, then you're going to struggle.

2246
01:50:37,772 --> 01:50:40,213
Speaker 7: You have to go with the right mindset, either between

2247
01:50:40,253 --> 01:50:42,812
Speaker 7: yourself and your partner or if you're a youngster, you've

2248
01:50:42,812 --> 01:50:45,093
Speaker 7: got to go with the mindset of saying, I'm only

2249
01:50:45,173 --> 01:50:49,052
Speaker 7: spending say, ten percent of my wages, and you raally

2250
01:50:49,133 --> 01:50:52,293
Speaker 7: got nothing to spend it on other than boots because

2251
01:50:52,572 --> 01:50:56,973
Speaker 7: every and obviously you know your personal hygiene products or

2252
01:50:57,013 --> 01:50:59,892
Speaker 7: whatever you want to buy and take with but raally

2253
01:51:00,013 --> 01:51:04,052
Speaker 7: you don't have any costs whatsoever. Anyone that complains about

2254
01:51:04,093 --> 01:51:08,572
Speaker 7: the facilities really needs a head check. Honestly, Tyler like

2255
01:51:08,772 --> 01:51:12,532
Speaker 7: some of the facilities there are like resort style.

2256
01:51:13,213 --> 01:51:13,692
Speaker 3: The food.

2257
01:51:14,173 --> 01:51:16,772
Speaker 7: You cannot complain about the food because they cater for

2258
01:51:16,933 --> 01:51:21,253
Speaker 7: everyone's needs. The gyms are amazing, the pools are amazing. Yes,

2259
01:51:21,452 --> 01:51:25,973
Speaker 7: the dogs are a bit tight, but they've started realizing

2260
01:51:26,093 --> 01:51:30,652
Speaker 7: that FIFO is there to stay and they are starting

2261
01:51:30,772 --> 01:51:36,372
Speaker 7: to accommodate for husband wife situations. Actually, I shared something

2262
01:51:36,452 --> 01:51:38,893
Speaker 7: with my wife the other day where I said, this

2263
01:51:39,053 --> 01:51:41,973
Speaker 7: is for us because we've you know, this is like

2264
01:51:42,133 --> 01:51:44,372
Speaker 7: our kids are. My daughter's got three or four years

2265
01:51:44,452 --> 01:51:47,253
Speaker 7: left to school, and I said to this, this is

2266
01:51:47,293 --> 01:51:49,293
Speaker 7: what we should go. And do you know they've got

2267
01:51:49,333 --> 01:51:52,612
Speaker 7: a camp. It's totally catered for husband and wife to

2268
01:51:52,732 --> 01:51:56,213
Speaker 7: work together. So, you know, can you imagine the if

2269
01:51:56,253 --> 01:51:58,492
Speaker 7: you're earning four hundred thousand dollars a year between the

2270
01:51:58,572 --> 01:52:00,893
Speaker 7: two of you. You know, it's a quick means to

2271
01:52:00,933 --> 01:52:02,932
Speaker 7: an end, Isn't it absolutely.

2272
01:52:02,452 --> 01:52:04,053
Speaker 2: A great way to set yourself up. But I can

2273
01:52:04,253 --> 01:52:06,412
Speaker 2: you know, I can understand what you're saying. They're on

2274
01:52:06,572 --> 01:52:10,093
Speaker 2: the coming back to civilian line, Sebastian. I mean, you're

2275
01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:12,572
Speaker 2: here and this will sound try but it's not tright.

2276
01:52:12,652 --> 01:52:15,532
Speaker 2: I think there's a real, you know, similarity here of

2277
01:52:16,173 --> 01:52:18,692
Speaker 2: soldiers who get back into civilian life, you know that

2278
01:52:18,853 --> 01:52:22,253
Speaker 2: culture shock and the loss of organization and the loss

2279
01:52:22,293 --> 01:52:25,293
Speaker 2: of focus. If you're undertaking what you were doing for

2280
01:52:25,372 --> 01:52:27,293
Speaker 2: twelve hours a day for four weeks at a time,

2281
01:52:27,333 --> 01:52:29,852
Speaker 2: and then you have a week off, it's very you know,

2282
01:52:30,013 --> 01:52:33,572
Speaker 2: there would be a similar psychological change up then how

2283
01:52:33,692 --> 01:52:35,933
Speaker 2: soldiers deal with it when they compact to civilian.

2284
01:52:35,612 --> 01:52:39,612
Speaker 7: Life absolutely completely. And there would be some days like

2285
01:52:39,853 --> 01:52:42,372
Speaker 7: getting to my fourth fifth day, my last couple of

2286
01:52:42,492 --> 01:52:45,253
Speaker 7: days at home, and I'd start talking about, you know,

2287
01:52:45,732 --> 01:52:47,893
Speaker 7: the guys there and what have we been doing and

2288
01:52:48,053 --> 01:52:50,253
Speaker 7: you know, who have been mingling with and you know,

2289
01:52:50,572 --> 01:52:53,653
Speaker 7: so you can see how that could cause anger and frustration.

2290
01:52:53,812 --> 01:52:55,692
Speaker 7: It's like, well, why are you are you not really

2291
01:52:55,812 --> 01:52:58,612
Speaker 7: interested in being here? You know, like why are you

2292
01:52:58,732 --> 01:53:01,452
Speaker 7: not why are you not communicating with us? And you know,

2293
01:53:01,572 --> 01:53:04,333
Speaker 7: asking about things that have been going on here? And

2294
01:53:04,612 --> 01:53:08,092
Speaker 7: so you can see how being away that long, they

2295
01:53:08,372 --> 01:53:12,253
Speaker 7: really just become your family and you know, your social life. Yeah,

2296
01:53:12,532 --> 01:53:16,852
Speaker 7: so you've, yeah, you've got to retain the thought of

2297
01:53:17,213 --> 01:53:19,933
Speaker 7: why you there and not let it get away on you.

2298
01:53:20,093 --> 01:53:22,973
Speaker 7: And it's very difficult. Even I struggled with it a lot.

2299
01:53:23,053 --> 01:53:25,173
Speaker 7: I went with the idea that I you know, every

2300
01:53:25,253 --> 01:53:27,213
Speaker 7: time I started a new job, said there'd be no

2301
01:53:27,372 --> 01:53:31,093
Speaker 7: drinking and whatever, and just the pressure, especially on your

2302
01:53:31,253 --> 01:53:33,893
Speaker 7: rostered days off, you know, your fourteenth day off to

2303
01:53:34,053 --> 01:53:36,012
Speaker 7: go out and you just want to let loose because

2304
01:53:36,093 --> 01:53:40,572
Speaker 7: you've just had such an intense week or two. Especially

2305
01:53:40,652 --> 01:53:43,213
Speaker 7: in the construction industry. You know, it's so high paced,

2306
01:53:43,293 --> 01:53:46,333
Speaker 7: and I'm sure there's a thousand guys out there that

2307
01:53:46,492 --> 01:53:48,933
Speaker 7: can relate exactly to what I'm saying is, you know,

2308
01:53:49,013 --> 01:53:53,133
Speaker 7: the pace of the jobs are just intense, especially when

2309
01:53:53,213 --> 01:53:55,612
Speaker 7: it comes to handing over the job to the client.

2310
01:53:56,293 --> 01:53:58,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sebastian, that was a hell of an insight, and

2311
01:53:59,013 --> 01:54:01,372
Speaker 2: thank you very much for giving us a buzz beck

2312
01:54:01,412 --> 01:54:03,253
Speaker 2: and a mow. With a couple more calls, It is

2313
01:54:03,412 --> 01:54:07,293
Speaker 2: nine to four, the big stories.

2314
01:54:06,973 --> 01:54:10,892
Speaker 1: The big issues, big trends and everything in between. Man

2315
01:54:10,973 --> 01:54:13,772
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk.

2316
01:54:15,253 --> 01:54:17,652
Speaker 2: News Talks. The better is six to four, Chris, thanks

2317
01:54:17,692 --> 01:54:18,412
Speaker 2: for hanging on, mate.

2318
01:54:19,452 --> 01:54:22,692
Speaker 20: That's right, So you just taking me back, Yeah, I

2319
01:54:22,812 --> 01:54:23,333
Speaker 20: bet it is.

2320
01:54:23,532 --> 01:54:26,093
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it sounds like it's changed to

2321
01:54:26,213 --> 01:54:28,532
Speaker 2: fear whack in the last few years. Chris but you

2322
01:54:28,652 --> 01:54:29,412
Speaker 2: did two years.

2323
01:54:30,652 --> 01:54:34,053
Speaker 24: Yeah, in ninety five six, I think I was go

2324
01:54:34,213 --> 01:54:35,933
Speaker 24: ahead to front to play rugby, so I wanted to

2325
01:54:36,133 --> 01:54:39,812
Speaker 24: pass money. That was the ugut professional. They wouldn't reiter

2326
01:54:39,933 --> 01:54:42,133
Speaker 24: foreign players, so I couldn't get in. My brother and

2327
01:54:42,173 --> 01:54:45,293
Speaker 24: I stayed on in the mind and we started out

2328
01:54:45,333 --> 01:54:49,012
Speaker 24: on drill wiggs. That was a baptism and fire working

2329
01:54:49,053 --> 01:54:53,693
Speaker 24: on those things and we did. There was a week sorry,

2330
01:54:53,693 --> 01:54:56,293
Speaker 24: a month on the week off, and then we ended

2331
01:54:56,373 --> 01:54:58,493
Speaker 24: both ended up in the camp. We ended up working together,

2332
01:54:58,493 --> 01:55:00,972
Speaker 24: which was great at a place called me at Keith

2333
01:55:01,772 --> 01:55:03,812
Speaker 24: and we did seven weeks on one week off.

2334
01:55:04,413 --> 01:55:04,573
Speaker 4: You know.

2335
01:55:04,733 --> 01:55:08,933
Speaker 24: That's what shift changes through it working for pitty in

2336
01:55:08,973 --> 01:55:13,293
Speaker 24: our days and you lost the day off every fortnight

2337
01:55:15,013 --> 01:55:17,333
Speaker 24: for me because my brother didn't do night shift and

2338
01:55:17,373 --> 01:55:19,373
Speaker 24: I had to get my body clock around the other

2339
01:55:19,453 --> 01:55:21,213
Speaker 24: way to go on to night shift that night. But

2340
01:55:22,053 --> 01:55:24,092
Speaker 24: I was still the bottom of the rung and the workshop,

2341
01:55:24,653 --> 01:55:26,852
Speaker 24: the trade as system ended up a tyfet on the

2342
01:55:26,933 --> 01:55:28,093
Speaker 24: track right, So the.

2343
01:55:28,173 --> 01:55:30,932
Speaker 2: Night shift, that night shift would have been the hardest shift.

2344
01:55:30,853 --> 01:55:31,253
Speaker 17: Was it, Chris?

2345
01:55:32,493 --> 01:55:36,253
Speaker 6: That was yeah? Yeah, that the that was it was.

2346
01:55:37,093 --> 01:55:37,253
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2347
01:55:37,693 --> 01:55:39,453
Speaker 24: We hit three o'clock in the morning and the bodies

2348
01:55:39,533 --> 01:55:43,013
Speaker 24: just wanting to shut down. And that was and then

2349
01:55:43,053 --> 01:55:46,493
Speaker 24: of course you're on the you know, on the you

2350
01:55:46,613 --> 01:55:49,613
Speaker 24: finished night shift, on your completion of your seven weeks,

2351
01:55:50,133 --> 01:55:51,613
Speaker 24: and then you'd have to stay up and get on

2352
01:55:51,693 --> 01:55:53,052
Speaker 24: a plane to go making the person.

2353
01:55:53,373 --> 01:55:56,333
Speaker 2: So it's a tough life. So yeah, so two years

2354
01:55:56,373 --> 01:55:57,973
Speaker 2: and yeah, and you'd had enough by that stage, but

2355
01:55:58,053 --> 01:55:59,653
Speaker 2: you managed to put some money away.

2356
01:56:00,772 --> 01:56:03,293
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, and my own first time

2357
01:56:03,333 --> 01:56:07,052
Speaker 24: at twenty eight and that we I reckon. I always

2358
01:56:07,093 --> 01:56:08,653
Speaker 24: told people, I reckon, I know what it's like to

2359
01:56:08,772 --> 01:56:10,852
Speaker 24: get out of present, and I reckon, I know what

2360
01:56:10,933 --> 01:56:12,172
Speaker 24: it's like to go back to Christins.

2361
01:56:12,973 --> 01:56:16,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely, said Chris. Good to finish with that call,

2362
01:56:16,053 --> 01:56:18,413
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. So, by the sounds of it,

2363
01:56:18,933 --> 01:56:24,573
Speaker 2: absolutely well worth it if you're a mid hid game, right,

2364
01:56:25,013 --> 01:56:26,852
Speaker 2: but it can be very tough. But according to a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, it has changed quite a lot now

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Speaker 2: where they do have our counselors on site. They're allowing

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Speaker 2: families into it. So if you've got a son or

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Speaker 2: daughter thinking about it, worth a shot. Hey, it's great

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Speaker 2: monic money. Two hundred and fifty k a year is

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Speaker 2: nothing to be sniffed at. Absolutely right, Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for today. Really enjoyed those conversations. Thank you to

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Speaker 2: everyone who called and text. Matt's will hopefully be back

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Speaker 2: with me tomorrow for Tuesday. A little bit of working

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Speaker 2: class Man from Jimmy Barnes to go out with. We've

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Speaker 2: been chatting to a lot of people who were working

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Speaker 2: class men and women. Love today. We'll see you again tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: said B.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talk, said B. Listen live on air,

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