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Speaker 3: Hello, time to get on the front foot once again.
Speaker 3: The squad for England and Ireland the Test matches has
Speaker 3: been released. Surprises some players not able to go for
Speaker 3: family reasons, not like it used to be, and the
Speaker 3: White Perons prepare for the World Pea Cootie Championship of
Speaker 3: the Series against England. This gracious media, it's all happening overseas.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Canney, you're heading off that way and you'll be
Speaker 3: able to read the sort of stuff that Peter Hollin's
Speaker 3: been reading, because you know what we talked about last
Speaker 3: week in terms of the subs, Well, he's been reading
Speaker 3: highbrow papers and he's come up with a little piece
Speaker 3: that somebody has written about the substitute and I'll just
Speaker 3: have a look at it. It's exactly what we were saying,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the injury subs rule is right
Speaker 3: for the county game. Teams are already gaming the system
Speaker 3: and replacing players due to illness. We could see that coming,
Speaker 3: couldn't we. Archie Vaughan was flaying the bowling and he
Speaker 3: was the thirteenth man for Somerset, and the writer says,
Speaker 3: must be the first instance of a thirteenth man winning
Speaker 3: a county championship match. We're going to see more of those,
Speaker 3: aren't we. We're going to see more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the issue with the different the problems about
Speaker 5: like for like, isn't it? And how serious is a
Speaker 5: soft tishoe injury? You don't quite know? You mentioned about,
Speaker 5: you know, a broken bone, and it is it is.
Speaker 5: It's unfortunate when those things happen, but that's the game.
Speaker 6: Those are the game. You know the rules of the game.
Speaker 6: And I prefer to have it eleven versus eleven. As
Speaker 6: I said last week.
Speaker 3: I'm surprising it so much time to read most Peter
Speaker 3: Holland with us again. You've got all that time to
Speaker 3: read such high.
Speaker 7: Brow Well, that's right, and I'm coming to you from
Speaker 7: the the the delightful Australian Club here in Melbourne at
Speaker 7: this moment where where the people here. Lovely Louise who
Speaker 7: runs the show kind of has put up with me
Speaker 7: for the last few days, so it gives me time
Speaker 7: to do a bit of reading and improvement vocabulary. Brian
Speaker 7: that articles that articles by Rod Alter, and I think
Speaker 7: rites for the Times, but in this particular one it
Speaker 7: was he pinched hits from time to time, and the
Speaker 7: other newspaper that I read he writes.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah he's under he's under contract, so he's sort
Speaker 3: of playing a T twenty league as he was another newspaper.
Speaker 7: I think I like his observations put it that way,
Speaker 7: but I just I just think that was a great
Speaker 7: example of it's seemingly getting a little a little bit
Speaker 7: ridiculous and being gained and and it's really not as
Speaker 7: the game was set up, as Jerry pointed out last week.
Speaker 7: But we'll see more of it, no doubt exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, we've did our best to pick the team Jerry
Speaker 3: for England. We weren't sort of counting on injuries and
Speaker 3: birthing units coming into proceedings. But the honest Jacob Duffy,
Speaker 3: I think as part of the side him and his
Speaker 3: wife expecting their first child. Michael Bracewell has expressed his
Speaker 3: desire to step back from Test cricket and focus his
Speaker 3: time on his young family and limited overs cricket. So
Speaker 3: it's priorities and money now, because he could have focused
Speaker 3: on the Test matches and not gone to Pakistan or
Speaker 3: played short form cricket, I suppose, But yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: way of the game now, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is words. We are going to miss Duffy.
Speaker 5: I think over there Paul swing it away decent pace,
Speaker 5: would enjoy the Duke's ball I think.
Speaker 6: Gets decent bounce, so he can also use a short ball.
Speaker 5: He's also durable and he can bowl long spells are required,
Speaker 5: and I think that's where the loss will be felt too,
Speaker 5: especially if O'Rourke and Jamison are in the bowling attack
Speaker 5: and returning from stress fractures and haven't played Test cricket
Speaker 5: for a while and don't know quite how many overs
Speaker 5: they can bowl in a spell let alone for a day,
Speaker 5: So I think you know he's going to be missed
Speaker 5: and someone has to bowl those overs. A centener of
Speaker 5: course had an injury, didn't he, But in the hand
Speaker 5: he runs at number seven or eight, and you know,
Speaker 5: and the calmness he brings when it gets a bit tough.
Speaker 5: And he seems in the last couple of seasons to
Speaker 5: be able to know how to take Test wickets now.
Speaker 5: But Bracewell's the one, isn't it choosing choosing the franchise game.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys think about that. I personally,
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced New Zealand have used him as they
Speaker 5: might because I feel certainly in Red Bull cricket, you know,
Speaker 5: if you imagine that side and it also brings in
Speaker 5: Nichols ahead of Young, doesn't it If Nichols, that's say
Speaker 5: Blundle doesn't go well or something like that and has
Speaker 5: to move down because he's the only keeper there. Really,
Speaker 5: I don't know whether Latham, if he has to keep,
Speaker 5: does he open. See there's a whole lot of little
Speaker 5: issues that start to emerge.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: If Nichols bats at six, that's four left handers in
Speaker 5: the top six and right arm bowlers for England will
Speaker 5: come around the wicket. They're more accustomed to it, they're
Speaker 5: getting better at it, and they of course have three
Speaker 5: in the top six will have be left handed as well.
Speaker 5: That means our bowlers will be doing the same. There'll
Speaker 5: be more footmarks and an off spinner like Bracewell who
Speaker 5: turns the ball and brings the stumps back into play
Speaker 5: from outside the off stump later in the Test match
Speaker 5: would be very, very useful. I think in my opinion,
Speaker 5: he's you know, we've continually gone for these batsmen who
Speaker 5: bowl a bit. Took his uncle John some time to
Speaker 5: get time, didn't it really in the team? And then
Speaker 5: he won a game at Eden Park against Australia for US.
Speaker 5: He won a Test match in eighty eight. Wasn't it
Speaker 5: was you there in India? He bowled India out. So
Speaker 5: you know, I just think, know turn and dip and drift,
Speaker 5: it's hard to play and brace will I thought had
Speaker 5: those abilities. I wondered whether we could have assisted them
Speaker 5: a bit more. He's also shown that he's a good
Speaker 5: hands in the field short cover or slip. He can battle.
Speaker 5: We But I just is coming into leadership with the
Speaker 5: with the you know, the white ball. Now thirty five
Speaker 5: two kids going for the cash. That's a and that's
Speaker 5: we can't there's no judgment about that. It's just a
Speaker 5: shame that we've lost someone like that.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well, we've got the likes of aj S.
Speaker 3: Patel is bowling for Leicestershire in England at the moment,
Speaker 3: you know, so he's an out and out spinner. We've
Speaker 3: taken spinners on a tours. Lennox has been there, We've
Speaker 3: had other places, but we don't seem to have the
Speaker 3: faith to select them or use them, do we.
Speaker 7: I was going to observe that that I was playing
Speaker 7: in England at the moment, and that may well be
Speaker 7: something of a standby for four years. You live and
Speaker 7: things go a little bit pair shape for them. But
Speaker 7: in last week's podcast, I think I somewhat labored the
Speaker 7: point that I thought Bracewell would be a very useful
Speaker 7: addition to the squad, but clearly he doesn't listen to
Speaker 7: the podcast and being convinced by the arguments put by us.
Speaker 6: But so be it.
Speaker 7: I'm just on jury's observation around Duffy thinking about this
Speaker 7: and thinking he was quite a while before he actually
Speaker 7: got into the New Zealand framework and developed himself and
Speaker 7: improved over time. And now I would have thought one
Speaker 7: of the greatest opportunities you can have is to run
Speaker 7: out and bowl let Lord's in early June, and he's
Speaker 7: going to be stuck back in the depths of New
Speaker 7: zeal And, went to in Dneed and with a young baby.
Speaker 6: I'm going, oh, I.
Speaker 7: Wouldn't have worked all my life trying to make me
Speaker 7: the good bowler that I am, and all of a
Speaker 7: sudden I'm giving that up. But such as life these days.
Speaker 7: But I just think he must. It must be a
Speaker 7: bit turn, I think, because surely there is nothing better.
Speaker 7: And Jerry, you've done it. Yeah, you walk out of
Speaker 7: Lords through the long room there. Yeah, that's that's just
Speaker 7: one of crickets great experiences. So I wonder how he
Speaker 7: actually thinks about that. But I'm sure he'll be very
Speaker 7: good at Nappy's and all of those good things. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but we also in that in the balance that squad
Speaker 7: worries me, but quite a few quicks, a lot of quicks,
Speaker 7: and really one better, which is Phillips.
Speaker 5: Well, really, guys, we haven't got This is a squad
Speaker 5: and a team without a front line spinner.
Speaker 7: Well that's kind of where I was leading to, Jerry.
Speaker 5: You revenge, not rather, that's not being disrespectful to revenge.
Speaker 5: Philip Boxcraft it's just look, they could play four seemers.
Speaker 5: New Zealand could go into the side with no spinner
Speaker 5: at all, which I think would be a mistake. The
Speaker 5: game is five days long, not two days, not three days,
Speaker 5: so I think you should always go in with the
Speaker 5: front line spinner if you can.
Speaker 6: So we are going to have do we do that?
Speaker 6: We're going to pile in the.
Speaker 5: Batsman and I don't know quite how we replace the
Speaker 5: Duffy factor. I mean, I'm assuming Henry would be say
Speaker 5: nine fellas, and I'm assuming that O'Rourke would play because
Speaker 5: of you know, he's a dangerous bowler. But who who's
Speaker 5: going at say ten and eight? Seven would be say Phillips,
Speaker 5: A Blundle is six. I mean most of the time
Speaker 5: it's Lathon Conway, Williamson, Revendra, Mitchell Blundell. That's how it's
Speaker 5: been for the last couple of years.
Speaker 6: And so he's six.
Speaker 5: Seven would be Phillips presumably that's how it's been set up.
Speaker 6: But who goes eight?
Speaker 5: See here's the issue, nice tall bowler Jamison. Then you
Speaker 5: get Jamison and O'Rourke together. A few little questions, aren't they?
Speaker 6: You just don't know. Then we come back to.
Speaker 3: Well, they've got the situation with Smith. They obviously want
Speaker 3: him to be an all rounder and one who can back,
Speaker 3: but he still hasn't cemented that role yet. Has he
Speaker 3: workman like sort of player? And he might well be
Speaker 3: your fourth Seema quite clearly. Rob Walter and his selection
Speaker 3: team are going for pace. They're going for bounce, tall players.
Speaker 3: You know, they've got a truckload of fast bowlers there.
Speaker 3: I mean, think of the brains trust they've got in
Speaker 3: the dressing room. They've got folks Jamison and then they're
Speaker 3: going to have Michael Ray somewhere around. He's going to
Speaker 3: be playing an island. I'll bet he stays over in
Speaker 3: case's a test chance. Tickner's there and Zach Fuchs, Christian
Speaker 3: Clark is over there for Ireland. Ben Sears is going
Speaker 3: to be a traveling reserve number sixteen. So they're keeping
Speaker 3: everybody close by, aren't they in terms of their pace attack,
Speaker 3: So that's what they're going with in terms of putting
Speaker 3: pressure on Moose.
Speaker 7: Well, look they are, and I'm glad see this is
Speaker 7: there because I don't think that you can beat raw pace.
Speaker 7: And unfortunately we haven't seen as much as much of
Speaker 7: him as we would have liked due to injuries, but
Speaker 7: he's certainly shown something and I think they are taking
Speaker 7: some insurance with them if you like you've when he's
Speaker 7: a traveling reserve because his point, two of our bowlers
Speaker 7: are coming back from considerable and significant injuries back injuries
Speaker 7: and really have have they got the overs into their legs?
Speaker 7: So you know, will they be able to play all
Speaker 7: three Tests? Say that's that's a Rourke and Jamison. Perhaps
Speaker 7: they've got to rotate them a bit in order to
Speaker 7: yet not not have them breaking down. So there are
Speaker 7: some real real question match and and I agree with
Speaker 7: you Jery aside with four seemers and maybe an arounder,
Speaker 7: it lacks balance to me from what I can observe,
Speaker 7: the summer in England has been pretty good, so the
Speaker 7: wickets come day four, Day five are probably going to
Speaker 7: take a bit of turn. I would have thought I
Speaker 7: could be wrong there, but yeah, I like the fact
Speaker 7: they've got real pace, but I hard of me also
Speaker 7: says that the squad has lacks balance around the absence
Speaker 7: of a genuine spider and we'll find out.
Speaker 5: I suppose Wadd's the other thing I'd like to mention
Speaker 5: just briefly Nichols ahead of Young just quickly Young thirty three,
Speaker 5: Nichols thirty four, about the same age. Twenty three tests
Speaker 5: for Young, fifty eight for Nichols average thirty two, Young
Speaker 5: average thirty nine. Different types of players, of course, batting
Speaker 5: in different places, fielding both both okay, not specialists, not
Speaker 5: in the slipper and the gully close and both have
Speaker 5: played in England a bit, neither of them bold. But
Speaker 5: I just wonder as a backup batsman, because that's really
Speaker 5: what we're talking about there, I think in England, so
Speaker 5: you're trying to second guess where the problems might occur,
Speaker 5: where there may be, potential failures may be and you
Speaker 5: have to bring somebody in or an injury whatever. At
Speaker 5: the top, you've got Lathan Conway Williamson and you've got
Speaker 5: Ravendra Mitchell Blundle through the middle. Now I would have
Speaker 5: thought in June and England with the Duke's ball, the
Speaker 5: English bol as archer tongue definites Atkinson, Stokes or Robinson
Speaker 5: is starting to come into the thing again.
Speaker 6: He's a tall kind of Chris Wokes if you like.
Speaker 5: They may not pick a spinner either, I don't know,
Speaker 5: but Look, I just feel Young has bettered thirty five
Speaker 5: times at opening, Nichols hasn't opened. If the problem is
Speaker 5: at opening and coon Way for example, maybe who knows.
Speaker 5: No one wants this to face these problems. But Young
Speaker 5: would be better than in that case, wouldn't he?
Speaker 6: For me?
Speaker 5: He would be more accustomed to it. He's played in
Speaker 5: England more recently than Nichols hats. Nichols has never opened.
Speaker 5: He's battered four times at number three, and twice of
Speaker 5: them against Zimbabwe Bulawere. So I just feel if it's
Speaker 5: down in the middle order, sure they would change it.
Speaker 5: Ravendra Mitchell Blundled. If Blundle isn't isn't scoring ones, wouldn't
Speaker 5: they just drop him down to seven rather than six
Speaker 5: and and.
Speaker 6: Keep him as the keeper.
Speaker 5: I just feel that there's a question mark. Now what
Speaker 5: do you do about Australia when you've got Thummons and
Speaker 5: Stank and Hazelwood and Boland.
Speaker 6: Are you going to go with Nichols?
Speaker 3: Yeah? The end result with Blundele, of course, is there.
Speaker 3: His first job was keeping, isn't it You want? You
Speaker 3: want batting, but he's got to do the keeping job.
Speaker 3: And so you know, uh, one place down the order
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a big problem for him. Is it a
Speaker 3: bit too early to start worrying about Australia. We've got
Speaker 3: India coming here before Australia. But we've got to have
Speaker 3: those players.
Speaker 5: Delivering, don't we wasn't a big point, just a just
Speaker 5: a sort of a thing for the future, and so
Speaker 5: you're not continually swapping. And I just feel it's easier
Speaker 5: if you're an opener to back down in the middle order.
Speaker 5: You love it and actually you're probably coming in with
Speaker 5: the second new ball if your team's done anything decent
Speaker 5: and then you're able to handle it, okay, So I
Speaker 5: I just had a few little questions. I think it's
Speaker 5: a weaker squad then we selected, you know, a week
Speaker 5: or so ago, when we didn't know these things about
Speaker 5: injury and babies and the money.
Speaker 6: We're going to come into play.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing of course about Opening, the future of
Speaker 3: Opening is obviously around the likes of Marriyu Heafy and
Speaker 3: those players. Nick Kelly has just signed a contract to
Speaker 3: play for Leicestershire now. He's early thirty, so he's been
Speaker 3: around the scene for a while. I just wonder at
Speaker 3: the Foxcroft selection because he is a talented short form
Speaker 3: player to my mind, doesn't feature as a Test match
Speaker 3: player in my thinking. But he bowls offspin. Is that
Speaker 3: what he's being picked for? To add a little bit
Speaker 3: offspin if they needed because that place could have gone
Speaker 3: to Mario or if he couldn't it In terms of
Speaker 3: a development player, I know you don't pick development players,
Speaker 3: but that's what you've done with Foxcroft.
Speaker 7: Well, that's true, and I think we did touch on
Speaker 7: the possible weaknesses of Conway concerns. We hope for the best,
Speaker 7: but his form of the last couple of years hasn't
Speaker 7: really been what he would have wanted nor us and
Speaker 7: I would have liked to have seen the likes of Mario.
Speaker 7: But it looks like Nichols gets the nod because he
Speaker 7: scored it pretty domestic cricket.
Speaker 3: And yeah, the other thing, the other point is what
Speaker 3: sort of cricketers Kane Williams has been playing? Will he
Speaker 3: be ready for Test match cricket? Has he been betting
Speaker 3: long and he's something to do with one of the
Speaker 3: IPL sides, But he hasn't had any real cricket, has
Speaker 3: he He might have had hats, he might have had
Speaker 3: chort form, but is he ready to take on a
Speaker 3: Test match at Laws, and I don't want to downplay
Speaker 3: his role. I mean, he's one of our great players.
Speaker 3: But you've still got to get ready, don't you. You've
Speaker 3: still got to prepare. It's like the days when we
Speaker 3: went to England and the likes of Trent Bolton and
Speaker 3: Saudi just arrived on the plane from India and went
Speaker 3: straight into a Test match and we sometimes weren't quite
Speaker 3: ready until about day four.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point. I mean it's a little
Speaker 5: bit like Stokes too. Stokes does not play for Durham.
Speaker 5: He's had something like about six games and four years
Speaker 5: for his counting.
Speaker 6: He really just has nets and tests.
Speaker 5: And that's what you're describing about Williamson. Now lose the
Speaker 5: rhythm of batting. You lose the rhythm of standing at
Speaker 5: the non strikers, in running quick singles, getting into your
Speaker 5: crease again, taking looking through those top two inches between
Speaker 5: the hell helmot and the peak, you know, and just
Speaker 5: getting into the rhythm of scoring loads of runs.
Speaker 6: Now he's scored loads of runs and it won't.
Speaker 5: Take him quite so long, but it still is something
Speaker 5: that he is missing of actually playing games.
Speaker 6: It's a worthy point.
Speaker 7: You have to back him in on the base of class,
Speaker 7: and that's what they're clearly doing. And he has had
Speaker 7: a fair amount of experience in English conditions. I think
Speaker 7: he's played for Middle six most recently, maybe that was
Speaker 7: last year. But you're right, Jerry, there's no warm up
Speaker 7: games apart from the match against Ireland, and that's not
Speaker 7: fair on Island to say that's that's a warm up
Speaker 7: match because it's actually a test, isn't it? So is
Speaker 7: that sufficient day's gone by, you'd have had a few
Speaker 7: counter games, correct, But that I get the benefit of
Speaker 7: that anymore? Was the pity because they're not playing the
Speaker 7: ip O. Of course a lot of them are, but
Speaker 7: I think sheer class should come through. But there are
Speaker 7: some vulnera buies in there, aren't there. But the other
Speaker 7: part is I actually am looking quite quite looking forward
Speaker 7: to this and Jerry, I'm heading back home on the
Speaker 7: fourth from out of London. I might just stay on
Speaker 7: a couple of days perhaps and watch a few first
Speaker 7: a few days of the text match.
Speaker 3: World tourists got okay, well, it just gives a call
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night too, will you.
Speaker 5: After a day at Lord's Moose that would be good.
Speaker 5: The moose I and and the praying mentors.
Speaker 6: Everyone for me, Oh yeah, I'm feeling sorry.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll look at this a little bit more closely,
Speaker 3: just to confirm that the English and whatever they call themselves,
Speaker 3: the TCB or the County Board whatever, having the same
Speaker 3: issues administration. They I've been looking for a new selector
Speaker 3: to replace Luke Wright, who resigned from the role on
Speaker 3: the twenty second of January, and they still haven't replaced somebody.
Speaker 3: And they're naming their test match squad in a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks time. You'd have to wonder how they're going
Speaker 3: to go about. Is that just on's going to be
Speaker 3: Key McCullum and Stokes and the other selector who could
Speaker 3: be Stephen Finn, who could be Darren Goff, Alistair Cooks
Speaker 3: tennd it down. But they don't have a plan in place.
Speaker 3: They must have somebody there too. But they'll have spotters,
Speaker 3: won't they have spotters?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, they have a lot of the words, quite
Speaker 5: well developed systems of passing information. It's all very well
Speaker 5: say as a selectors say, like McCullum, who's been back
Speaker 5: here in New Zealm. I don't think he's a ride
Speaker 5: over in England yet I'm not sure. But you can
Speaker 5: watch live streams, can't you. Every match has got live
Speaker 5: streaming and see every ball if you want to do so.
Speaker 5: But that's different than getting to know the man, getting
Speaker 5: to know the head and the heart, what sort of
Speaker 5: person is he, how hard does he work, what's driving him,
Speaker 5: and those kinds of things, particularly that McCullum likes. Actually
Speaker 5: he likes that kind of aspect of players. But you
Speaker 5: can't tell that from a live stream. You can just
Speaker 5: see the runs and how he bats and his off
Speaker 5: drive and his turn and his cut, you know. So
Speaker 5: I think there's more to that, and that's where those
Speaker 5: scouts and those people who are at the grounds go
Speaker 5: and talk to the to the players.
Speaker 6: So that's a very well developed system in England. Brian Waddell,
Speaker 6: Jeremy Coney on the front foot, the.
Speaker 3: White Ferns are already in the United Kingdom preparing for
Speaker 3: the defense of the World T twenty title with an
Speaker 3: ode I and T twenty series with England could hardly
Speaker 3: be better preparation against the side high in favoritism for
Speaker 3: the World T twenty two and in conditions they'll face
Speaker 3: when The T twenty opens against the West Indies for
Speaker 3: New Zealand on June fourteenth. Last week, coach Ben Sawyer
Speaker 3: detailed the plans for the build up three ODI starting
Speaker 3: Saturday the tenth, and the T twenty starting I made
Speaker 3: the twenty first in Derby and while the ODIs will
Speaker 3: be invaluable for the players, it's the Tea twenties that
Speaker 3: provide the biggest value. While some of the old faces
Speaker 3: are there, it's a new era under new captain Neee Kerr,
Speaker 3: who led the side to a series win recently over
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe and also South Africa. Let's look ahead to the
Speaker 3: world event. Joined once again on the front foot by
Speaker 3: former White fan Kirsty Bond. Nice to be able to
Speaker 3: talk to you again about the women's game, Kirsty, Thanks
Speaker 3: for your time.
Speaker 8: Thanks Brian, it's great to be here.
Speaker 3: Yes, well it's out of the cricket season here, but
Speaker 3: it's overseas that we'll be watching with a lot of
Speaker 3: interests and the New Zealand men's team has just been named,
Speaker 3: and of course the women's team already overseas. But there
Speaker 3: should be some new found belief and confidence for the
Speaker 3: White fans from those victories particularly over South Africa, shouldn't they?
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, you know, I think.
Speaker 4: They was.
Speaker 8: It was great to see that there was a number
Speaker 8: of people who stood up in that series against Southery
Speaker 8: Forga in particular, and that we went solely reliant on
Speaker 8: one player. And so I think there are some really
Speaker 8: promising signs moving forward for the White fans.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't hide the normality of the task
Speaker 3: I've got ahead of them, but it's nice to be there. Well,
Speaker 3: I suppose you say, defending a title and you still
Speaker 3: go out to win it again, dough to that they
Speaker 3: wanted in the Emirates against South Africa, but it's going
Speaker 3: to be a big step and a tough task for
Speaker 3: many of the newer players, let alone the experienced runs
Speaker 3: I've got with in the game.
Speaker 8: It is Yeah, I mean I think there is enough
Speaker 8: from our summer to have, you know, reasonable confidence that
Speaker 8: we can make the at least make the top four.
Speaker 8: You know the thing about T twenty cricketers, you know,
Speaker 8: with shorter formats like that, it's all on the day
Speaker 8: you and you really only need one player to stand
Speaker 8: up and have a blinder and that completely knocks the
Speaker 8: other team out. It's a challenging format in that regard
Speaker 8: because you just never know who's going to come to
Speaker 8: the four on any given day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a game progressing for the woman to a
Speaker 3: certain extent now that the totals are getting bigger, aren't they.
Speaker 3: And that was something that to Ben Soa I mentioned
Speaker 3: they need to be getting up consistently around the one
Speaker 3: seventy one eighty and therefore you do need at least
Speaker 3: one person delivering, don't you.
Speaker 8: You do, and you know, obviously it helps to that
Speaker 8: there are others that are contributing as well. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot more belief in the woman's game,
Speaker 8: not just not just the white fans, but all the teams.
Speaker 8: I think around the scores that they're capable of making,
Speaker 8: and you know, to be fair, they're playing on much
Speaker 8: better decks than the players of the past, and so yeah,
Speaker 8: they've got that as an advantage. I guess. It is
Speaker 8: great to see them playing that that attacking type game
Speaker 8: and able to score more freely on the on the
Speaker 8: wickets that they're playing on.
Speaker 3: Yes, and of course in England they will get those
Speaker 3: because they're playing at some of the better grounds and
Speaker 3: that's the most important thing. Plenty of evidence in the
Speaker 3: South African series, if any evidence was needed, that Mealy
Speaker 3: Kerr is a class act. But she needs those players
Speaker 3: around her. And there are players aren't there, like Halliday,
Speaker 3: Maddy green Plummer who's now starting to get experienced. You've
Speaker 3: got Sophie Devine who's going to be there that you know,
Speaker 3: she's got to have that support. We can't expect her
Speaker 3: to be the star tour in every game, can we? No?
Speaker 8: And I think I think, as I mentioned, you know,
Speaker 8: there were others who stood up in that series against
Speaker 8: South Africa. I mean obviously, yeah, like you said, Amelia
Speaker 8: is a class act. I mean we've always known that
Speaker 8: she was, you know, sort of a once in a
Speaker 8: generation type player. So, and she's only going to continue
Speaker 8: to get better and better. So, but it is really
Speaker 8: important that you say that others step up. And you know,
Speaker 8: in that last one day against at South Africans, I think,
Speaker 8: what were we three for three, including Amelia who had
Speaker 8: that amazing innings I mean Maddie and Brooke. I mean
Speaker 8: I thought that was a wonderful partnership that day. The
Speaker 8: way they said about you know, restoring that innings and
Speaker 8: then turning it almost counter attacking and turning it into
Speaker 8: a real positive for New Zealand.
Speaker 3: You played at the top level. I mean, how do
Speaker 3: you regard merely care in terms of her quality. I mean,
Speaker 3: she is one outstanding player because she plays all round
Speaker 3: the park. Some of the women don't tend to access
Speaker 3: the off side to the extent they should do. But
Speaker 3: she plays all around the park, doesn't she.
Speaker 8: She does, She's got i mean, she's got, you know,
Speaker 8: shots all around the wicket. So and one of the
Speaker 8: things that I really am impressed about with Amelia is
Speaker 8: the fact that she can access it offside and you know,
Speaker 8: she'll she'll you know, whether it's driving through the field
Speaker 8: or over the top, she's capable of doing that. So yeah.
Speaker 8: And then and then obviously she can also access behind
Speaker 8: the wicket relatively freely as well. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: she's just she's just got the all round type game.
Speaker 8: So yeah, she's so impressed.
Speaker 3: Amazing, Yeah, and great to watch as well. It's going
Speaker 3: to be a big step for the young players. Nancy
Speaker 3: Patel has made an impact. You'd probably know a bit
Speaker 3: about azy sharp breeling the left armor who is slowly
Speaker 3: making a way and even Devonshire within the newer players
Speaker 3: in the side. Do you know much about them or
Speaker 3: are you sort of a little bit of the dark
Speaker 3: like a lot of us because they don't have that
Speaker 3: many opportunities.
Speaker 8: I know a little bit about some of them. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean it's great to see, you know, a couple
Speaker 8: of left armands in there. Obviously, Flora's come in is
Speaker 8: events of someone like friand Jonas. And then great to
Speaker 8: see if you know, Bree make her way as well
Speaker 8: as left medium paces, so you know that offers us,
Speaker 8: you know, you know, something different, which is great. And
Speaker 8: then I really I really like the look of Nancy Battel.
Speaker 8: You know, I haven't seen a huge amount of her,
Speaker 8: but I but I think she's got a bit of
Speaker 8: spirit and that's you know, always you always need those
Speaker 8: type of players in your team. And of course with
Speaker 8: Carson out injured, yeah she will, she will take that spot.
Speaker 8: And and Izy Sharp, I think is a real player
Speaker 8: to watch for the future. I've had a bit to
Speaker 8: do with Busy at under nineteen level. She hits the
Speaker 8: ball really powerfully, and I think you will only see her,
Speaker 8: you know, in the future, not quite yet, but in
Speaker 8: the future you'll see her become quite a powerhouse and
Speaker 8: that in that White Fans lineup.
Speaker 3: I think she's an explosive player and very good to watch.
Speaker 3: Is also strong in the field, which is one of
Speaker 3: the important areas that they have to be conscious of
Speaker 3: the other player who to a certain extent, I suppose
Speaker 3: it's a little bit contentious in terms of position as
Speaker 3: he gazed. Ben Sawyer has already confirmed that he intends
Speaker 3: to play her at the top of the order, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't a huge success against South Africa because I
Speaker 3: think she's a players real talent and could be more
Speaker 3: explosive down the order rather than at the top with
Speaker 3: the Georgia Plumoert. How do you see it?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I'm a great believer that you look after
Speaker 8: your own players and don't expose them too much too soon.
Speaker 8: And I think you know you're right about is he
Speaker 8: she She's got real talent there with the bat and
Speaker 8: I think she's shown that she has a lot to
Speaker 8: offer in that middle order. You know, Georgia Plymouth is
Speaker 8: obviously talented as well, but it's still finding her way
Speaker 8: at international level and I think, to be honest, she
Speaker 8: would benefit from having someone of real experience at the
Speaker 8: other end, and if we've got someone like Susie who
Speaker 8: has played that role for a long time, I know
Speaker 8: she hasn't show and the form of late that we
Speaker 8: would like to see from her. My preference probably would
Speaker 8: be to see her back there. She was used there
Speaker 8: at the last World Cup, just to add that experience
Speaker 8: at the top and to provide that support for Georgia.
Speaker 3: I think because that is her game. I mean, we
Speaker 3: know how good she is. She's one of the greatest
Speaker 3: women's cricketers across the world and her record in terms.
Speaker 8: Of in the world, so you can't argue with what
Speaker 8: we know she is capable of.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I think that she would be of
Speaker 3: greater value if she's going to be part of the
Speaker 3: side rather than eight or nine up at the top
Speaker 3: of the order. Then you have at least somebody, hopefully
Speaker 3: who is going to be a solid core there because
Speaker 3: the T twenty game has changed to an extent where
Speaker 3: it's all very well to have your fin Allen's style,
Speaker 3: but you've got to have people who canform partnerships as well.
Speaker 3: I know it's only Twitter overs, but you've got to
Speaker 3: have people who canform partnerships, and she's got the technique
Speaker 3: and the skill, doesn't he Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I think the other thing too is I think
Speaker 8: that Izzi has got the game for the middle order,
Speaker 8: whereas I'm not convinced Susie has. And so from the
Speaker 8: point of view of this World Cup, I do think
Speaker 8: that it would be better to return Susie to that
Speaker 8: only spot and then and then let he bat further down.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure about her bowling the death overs either,
Speaker 3: which is probably something which was a trial. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: what about other players within that side? Don't mean how
Speaker 3: we haven't talked about Sophie Devine. She can be a
Speaker 3: match winner, she could go out in style, but we
Speaker 3: want her basically as a player, a key player, an
Speaker 3: experienced player, not there to celebrate the end of her career,
Speaker 3: which you know sort of been set out to the
Speaker 3: extent that led to who who Sophie Devine and Susie
Speaker 3: Blakes you're all going to be finishing after this World Cup.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know that that Sophie will approach
Speaker 8: it like that. I think I think she will be
Speaker 8: very much wanting to, you know, do the best that
Speaker 8: she can possibly do for the team, and both here
Speaker 8: and Lea and Susie. I think will be very much.
Speaker 8: You know, they'll be all weird that it's the last
Speaker 8: tournament in the last time in the New Zealand colors,
Speaker 8: but I think that they will they'll be really determined
Speaker 8: to perform well.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, they've got a series against England and that
Speaker 3: couldn't be better for them in terms of preparation because
Speaker 3: the England side is very strong, they have good spinners.
Speaker 3: Whether spin will be an important part of the series
Speaker 3: in England, it's hard to know, but spinners have been
Speaker 3: pretty successful in the women's game as such, because there's
Speaker 3: no real pace in many of the players, is there no?
Speaker 8: And you know, I think looking at that series, it
Speaker 8: will be important for us just from a confidence point
Speaker 8: of view. You know, we've come off a recentably good
Speaker 8: series against the South Africans and so it will be
Speaker 8: really important for us to continue along the same vein
Speaker 8: if we can. You know, we don't. We don't want to,
Speaker 8: you know, I don't think that Benzwel will want to
Speaker 8: experiment too much. I think he'll want to make sure
Speaker 8: that he is locking down the sort of the number
Speaker 8: one team if you like, for that World Cup. So
Speaker 8: there may be just looking at this team, there may
Speaker 8: be you know, two or three players who don't get
Speaker 8: a lot of game time during the tour, so yeah,
Speaker 8: it will be interesting to watch and see what they
Speaker 8: do with that warm up series. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 8: one day series before that too is really important as
Speaker 8: well because there's ic C points on that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 8: a bit it's a big tour for this particular team.
Speaker 3: Oh well, it'll be an interesting series and we look
Speaker 3: forward to them preparing. Thanks very much for sharing some
Speaker 3: of your thoughts.
Speaker 8: It'll be a great series, is and yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: the thing that excites me is that we're starting to
Speaker 8: build a little bit of depth. And now we've got
Speaker 8: you know, with the A team going to Sri Lanka
Speaker 8: and in the next few weeks, you know, there's seven
Speaker 8: players there that have represented the White Fans in the past,
Speaker 8: so you know, we're starting to get a little bit
Speaker 8: of depth and a little bit more competition for places
Speaker 8: in that White Fans team, which is which is great.
Speaker 8: And obviously we've we're going to have three key players
Speaker 8: that we're going to need to replace very soon. It's
Speaker 8: going to be a really interesting year for the White Fans.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot the A team.
Speaker 3: I mean that is enormous. That is some development phase
Speaker 3: that the game really needs, doesn't it. In terms of
Speaker 3: our up and coming players the potentials for the future.
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure. Yeah, you know, and you know there's
Speaker 8: some exciting talent there. I mean, you know, I mean
Speaker 8: someone like Katie Knight is obviously down the track, will
Speaker 8: probably replace someone like lead to who who And the
Speaker 8: White fans I mean you've also got Molly Pingfold who
Speaker 8: is going on the in the White fans team for
Speaker 8: the one dayers in England, so they're sort of two quicks.
Speaker 8: Probably that real genuine placed flat bowler is that the
Speaker 8: White fans will be keeping their eye on too.
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Kirsty, lovely to be able to talk
Speaker 3: with you, and we'll catch up with you on the
Speaker 3: future occasion. Interesting stuff, Jerry. She's positive about the team
Speaker 3: and sees encouraging signs that they could make the top four. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't think we should accept anything less than that really.
Speaker 3: In terms of this woman's side, that again this morning
Speaker 3: against the development team and one up, but that was
Speaker 3: fourteen a side. But you know that there's a few
Speaker 3: issues still around that women's team. Isn't there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a predictable group of din't it was?
Speaker 5: I thought the results they were expected against Zimbabwe and
Speaker 5: pats better than expected against South Africa. South Africa, you
Speaker 5: know they've made World Cup finals recently and we've beat
Speaker 5: them for one. Saying the T twenties, which are interested
Speaker 5: in particular, I know they're playing ODIs now, but the
Speaker 5: T twenties, couple of quick questions.
Speaker 6: I mean New Zealand.
Speaker 5: Actually, in two of the four G five games they had,
Speaker 5: didn't they They got one hundred and ninety a couple
Speaker 5: of times.
Speaker 6: Now, that's good, isn't it. That's a good total in
Speaker 6: T twenties.
Speaker 5: The other games they got one hundred and fifty two
Speaker 5: for four and one hundred and sixty for four. Now
Speaker 5: that those are a bit iffy, that's in that sort
Speaker 5: of middle area where you can be taken down. But
Speaker 5: what I like about those the batsmen are doing the job.
Speaker 5: Only four down at the end of your twenty overs.
Speaker 5: Now that's a different kind of That's not Jess Kerr
Speaker 5: getting us a twenty to put us into a position
Speaker 5: where we might possibly be in with a chance. That's
Speaker 5: batsmen doing their jobs. And I like that sort of
Speaker 5: development in the side. I have a little bit of
Speaker 5: a question about Ezy Sharp about seven. It's a future
Speaker 5: position and that's that selection is she looks a good
Speaker 5: bat for Canterbury, doesn't keep, doesn't bowl, so her position
Speaker 5: really relies on as he gaze opening and keeping and
Speaker 5: if as he gays doesn't do that, then that throws
Speaker 5: that whole sort of balance of the side out of it,
Speaker 5: doesn't it. So there's a slight issue there, especially when
Speaker 5: you've got baits as well.
Speaker 6: At eight. Now against South Africa Wadds as you know, she.
Speaker 5: Didn't bat in the first and is in the New
Speaker 5: Zealand wh one hundred and ninety seven, so she didn't bat.
Speaker 5: They lost a wicket in the last ball to make
Speaker 5: the seventh wicket and she got two overs for seven
Speaker 5: seventeen with no wicket. Game two, first change bowler, one
Speaker 5: over nineteen no wicket bat at at eight got one
Speaker 5: Game three, sixth bowler used and two overs two for
Speaker 5: ten good did not bat listed today. Game four bold
Speaker 5: first change three overs for twenty five eights did not
Speaker 5: bat listed at eight. Did not play in the fifth game.
Speaker 5: Now this is a different role that she's playing isn't it.
Speaker 5: She's batting eight and bowling. She is the next bowler,
Speaker 5: That's what That's what they're actually saying. That's her part
Speaker 5: in the team. Now it's not as opener where she's
Speaker 5: always batted. How quick in the park is she, by
Speaker 5: the way thirty nine she is nearly Yeah, she's had injuries.
Speaker 5: You know. I just think if she takes the number
Speaker 5: eight position then the balance of the side is altered.
Speaker 5: It means Andrew, you know, Amelia kur is the only
Speaker 5: spinner now.
Speaker 7: It's a head scratcher, Jerry. For me, the role of
Speaker 7: Susie Bates, it sort of feels as though she's I
Speaker 7: often hear she's been such a wonderful servile. Yeah, it
Speaker 7: may be, so are they're not others who could who
Speaker 7: could just as adequately perform that role of of of
Speaker 7: a few overs here and there and batting at eight
Speaker 7: in New Zealand cricket. Question, mate, It's just it is,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's it's as if the selectors just don't
Speaker 7: want to drop her and and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 7: saying that they should, but I would have thought they
Speaker 7: should be getting more out of out of Susie Bates
Speaker 7: and if they're not, then they should be looking for
Speaker 7: someone else. But I do think that the team it
Speaker 7: really appears to have started to develop, and as you say,
Speaker 7: getting decent scores like that is something that hasn't always happened.
Speaker 7: And what they are getting is preparation in England, which
Speaker 7: the men's team aren't in comparison, so I think that
Speaker 7: puts them in good stead. I really look forward also
Speaker 7: to take it slightly off New Zealand to watching the
Speaker 7: England team, because they've got some really super players, fabulous
Speaker 7: bill of some good bad as, so it's it's going
Speaker 7: to be interesting, really interesting to see.
Speaker 6: How they look.
Speaker 5: I've got nothing to get baits d nothing against what
Speaker 5: baits at all playing at the best.
Speaker 6: She's a Shoan, isn't she She's a Swan, but I don't.
Speaker 5: I just sense, like Moose has just hinted at that
Speaker 5: there's a bit of a position of you know, based
Speaker 5: on sentimentality and the three of them all ending together.
Speaker 5: And I think if you want her experience there as
Speaker 5: a player, then take her as a coach, call her
Speaker 5: a helper, I don't care what you call her, and
Speaker 5: be around the team, help the team if you want to,
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure she's kind of.
Speaker 6: In the team at the moment. It's just a feeling
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 5: And when New Zealand are playing, they've got some hard
Speaker 5: games West Indies first up. Then they've got Sri Lanka
Speaker 5: and they've also got England, so they only.
Speaker 6: Two go through and so and you Zealand here as well.
Speaker 5: So and those sides like Tri Lanka and the Western
Speaker 5: as you've got loads of spinners, and so is England,
Speaker 5: and so I wonder how we'll handle that.
Speaker 6: I think that's going to be the big question the
Speaker 6: New Zealand have to confront.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's better than a spare part, so she
Speaker 3: needs to take a lead role within that side. We'll
Speaker 3: have a look and see what happens on Sunday because
Speaker 3: that's the first game against England they're playing. Nice to
Speaker 3: have had you guys with us. Thank you very much
Speaker 3: for your time once more.
Speaker 7: All right, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 5: Wards all the very best, and well come on, Moosa,
Speaker 5: you better come home ehe yeah.
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