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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons

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Speaker 1: podcast from News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Chats, laughs and the best calls.

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Speaker 1: This is the highlight reel with Simon Barnett and James

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Speaker 1: Daniels howered by News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Hello there, thank you for having us at your place today.

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Speaker 4: James, you're a who get a mate and kekea mihi

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Speaker 4: kiya koto. It's a big shout out to you everyone.

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Speaker 3: We are joined by our political editor Jason Walls, who's

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Speaker 3: finally made it in horse and carriage to Japan.

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Speaker 2: Connege.

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Speaker 5: You are Kunichua from the Land of the Rising Sun.

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Speaker 5: Although it's pouring down with rain over here, so I'm

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Speaker 5: feeling a little bit short changed at the moment. But

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Speaker 5: you know, it's not all about me.

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Speaker 3: No, But oh my goodness, Jason, what a rigmarole to

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Speaker 3: get there.

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Speaker 5: I think a rigmarole is a bit of an understatement.

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Speaker 5: We were sitting there in the Papua New Guinea airport

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Speaker 5: and we were told it was only going to take

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Speaker 5: an hour to refuel, and then it was ten minutes late,

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Speaker 5: and then it was fifteen minutes late, and it was

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Speaker 5: twenty minutes late.

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Speaker 3: And this is not my first rodeo.

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Speaker 5: I've been on these trips before where it's broken down

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Speaker 5: and there are a few telltale signs. I looked at

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Speaker 5: some of the faces of the officials that had gone

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Speaker 5: a little bit white when they realized what was going on,

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Speaker 5: and so the head of the mission gathered us all

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Speaker 5: and told us, yep, sorry, we're going to be delayed

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Speaker 5: a little bit while we were placed a fuse. But

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Speaker 5: I kind of looked at that and thought there was

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Speaker 5: absolutely no way. It's just going to be an hour.

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Speaker 5: I think they're a little bit optimistic. So that turned

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Speaker 5: into seven hours, and we ended up staying in Papua

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Speaker 5: New Guinea and then heading to Brisbane and then to Japan.

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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what, if you felt like you've

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Speaker 5: been in some awkward situations before, it's got absolutely nothing

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Speaker 5: on walking onto a plane full of people that have

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Speaker 5: had to be diverted from another country just to pick

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Speaker 5: you up. So there was some sheepish looking business delegation

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Speaker 5: and journalists walking onto that flight.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much. But noe.

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Speaker 3: We arrived last night.

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Speaker 5: We got here pretty much without any sort of issue

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Speaker 5: or delay. With the Air New Zealand flight and interestingly

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Speaker 5: Dame Terrase Walsh who's the chairwoman of Air New Zealand

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Speaker 5: and CEO of Greg Forum were on the flight as well,

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Speaker 5: and they jumped on the old drinks kite and we're

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Speaker 5: handing people out drinks and food and we're all the

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Speaker 5: way back in economy. They gave up their seat for

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Speaker 5: somebody else, so very nice thing for them to do.

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Speaker 5: I think they smelled a good pr opportunity on that one,

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Speaker 5: since we all picked up on that as well. No,

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Speaker 5: we we are absolutely here, No more pup in New Guinea,

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Speaker 5: nor more Australia. We're on the ground and finally ready

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Speaker 5: to go.

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Speaker 2: The highlight reel with Simon Barnett and James Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Hughes talk said, be grannie flats These dwellings sixty meters

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Speaker 3: or less are the answer to the housing problem. Will

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Speaker 3: they be useful, will they actually serve a great purpose?

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Speaker 3: Or will they be ugly, unsatisfactory and undesirable. I know

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Speaker 3: you live in a nice house right now, but going forward,

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Speaker 3: do you think you could live in a dwelling of

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Speaker 3: sixty square meters?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you say you could, you yeah, absolutely would

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Speaker 3: I prefer something bigger for me personally?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Text tire from Stevie says, high boys read the granny flats.

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Speaker 3: Can they have a bathroom and kitchen facilities near that

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Speaker 3: is yes, Steve, they can. And that's where some people

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Speaker 3: get concerned about the drain on the sort of infrastry.

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Speaker 4: Resources, which is why they call them resource consents. That's

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Speaker 4: what's odd about this is that they're adding all this

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Speaker 4: strain on resources. Yeah, without consent, But anyway I get

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Speaker 6: Yosh, I work for a tiny home company, And in

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Speaker 6: no way does it actually make it easier. All it

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Speaker 6: does is make it cheaper, because what a lot of

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Speaker 6: people are forgetting is that even if you don't need

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Speaker 6: the building consent, you still have to apply for an exemption,

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Speaker 6: which still goes through a lot of the rigmarole of

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Speaker 6: submitting your engineering plans, how you're going to deal with

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Speaker 6: have consent. All they're doing is increasing it to sixty

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Speaker 6: except that it's a lot cheaper. You may save a

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Speaker 6: the projects were. I'm going through a few of the

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Speaker 6: exemptions now, and I've still got to dot your eyes

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Speaker 6: and cross your t's that.

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Speaker 2: You would have to.

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Speaker 7: It's not actually fixing anything.

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Speaker 3: Josh, thank you very much for your thoughts. Lindsay, good

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Speaker 3: to talk to you. So you're an architectural designer.

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Speaker 8: Yes, correct, and I have read the documents that we're

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Speaker 8: all talking about, and mainly because it also flows on

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Speaker 8: from changes that came into the industry either last year

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Speaker 8: up to thirty square meter lightweight buildings that don't have plumbing.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, from your perspective as an architectural designer with some

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Speaker 3: a good solution.

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Speaker 9: I think it's a step in the right direction here.

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Speaker 9: I mean, obviously there's going to be issues around. Councils

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Speaker 9: still need to be informed somehow, I think, because they're

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Speaker 9: buildings didn't really have. But I've talked in the documents

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Speaker 9: about that you wouldn't need a building consent on the

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Speaker 9: sixty square meter ones if you can connect into the

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Speaker 9: of drainage system that has been designed, then you'd still

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Speaker 9: need a building.

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Speaker 4: Consent, but not a resource consent. No.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is the confusion again. So resource content is

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Speaker 9: only if you are breaking the rules, which are your setbacks,

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Speaker 9: your maximum height. There's some councils have earthwork maximums and

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Speaker 9: that that's where it comes down to trying to control

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Speaker 9: what has actually been built.

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Speaker 3: Very good information, Lindsay, thanks for taking the time to

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Speaker 3: give us your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem the highlight reel.

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Speaker 3: It is a really interesting story this and really interesting

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Speaker 3: reaction to the US Open golf and even for very

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Speaker 3: much non golfers and non sporty types, they've become embroiled

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Speaker 3: in this discussion about whether it was poor sportsmanship of

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Speaker 3: Rory not shaking Bryson de Shambeau's hand at the loss.

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Speaker 3: Rory McElroy has come out and said that was the

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Speaker 3: toughest loss of his professional career and it hurts like

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Speaker 3: never before. He's taken three weeks out of golf to

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Speaker 3: try and get his head together. Some say he'll probably

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Speaker 3: never be the same. That may be a bit dramatic.

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Speaker 3: This text here says Simon, he's supposed to be a

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Speaker 3: professional athlete, no excuses. What he did was pure ignorance

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Speaker 3: and bad manners and a sign of the real man.

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Speaker 4: Similar texts says they paid a lot to be professional

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Speaker 4: and losing is part of sport. Imagine if the All

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Speaker 4: Blacks that have walked off the field after losing to

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Speaker 4: France at the ninety nine World Cup, what about Rory?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was a four year This is tenure

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Speaker 3: and an individual sport versus team. I think there's a difference,

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Speaker 3: not a ten year since the last major.

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Speaker 7: Good a adam, Guys, James, you're like an old pinball machine.

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Speaker 7: You're out of order.

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Speaker 3: Yes, good keep talking at him.

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Speaker 7: You know what I think. If you haven't played sport

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Speaker 7: at the very highest level, and I haven't, I've played

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Speaker 7: at regional levels, it's your life, right. You're trying to

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Speaker 7: go out there and do the best you can. You're

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Speaker 7: trying to win the damn tournament and you're basically bitterly

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Speaker 7: disappoint it. It's not bad sportsmanship. You're just trying to

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Speaker 7: and think about it and go, Okay, hang on a moment,

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Speaker 7: maybe I didn't handle that that well, But that's a

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Speaker 7: moment's thing, right And literally what twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 7: you know he's thought about it, he's processed it, and

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Speaker 9: Yeah, what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 4: It's just good sportsmanship. He was expected at the news

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Speaker 4: conference at the end of it all, but he didn't

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Speaker 4: front And that's the issue.

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Speaker 7: What's he going to say at the news conference. He's

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Speaker 7: going to sit there being utterly devastated and pretty much.

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Speaker 3: And drilled by every man and his dog.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. They're going to deal to him

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Speaker 7: even more. He's not going to say anything. It's just

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Speaker 7: a complete disaster all rounds. And if we're talking about sportsmanship,

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Speaker 7: should we have the Australian cricket team play at all?

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Speaker 3: Ordinarily ninety nine times out of one hundred, if you lose,

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Speaker 3: you should always shake your hand. That is good sportsmanship.

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Speaker 3: But I think Rory should be cut some slack here.

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Speaker 3: And he's not being online. A lot of people are

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Speaker 3: That's there's pressure there that we can't even begin to imagine.

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Speaker 4: No, we can't and I can't even begin to imagine

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Speaker 4: winning two million dollars for finishing second.

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Speaker 3: Yeah either, yeah, but then then, to quote Jim Carry,

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Speaker 3: I wish everybody could be rich and famous, and they

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Speaker 3: realized that wasn't the answer. When you're Rory McElroy on

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Speaker 3: those players. John Rahm just signed with Live for three

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. Do you think a two million dollars

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Speaker 3: tom means anything? Money doesn't mean anything to them. This

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Speaker 3: is a guy that has been waiting for ten years

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Speaker 4: Maybe missed it, maybe he's.

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Speaker 2: Pasted it the highlight reel.

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Speaker 3: I read a story on the Herald website this morning

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I enjoy that. I know nothing

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Speaker 3: there's a feature being done on the McLaren Tura Spider

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Speaker 3: and they say it's just absolute performance. And then once again,

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Speaker 3: hundred ks in three seconds flat, right, so that's great.

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Speaker 3: Then they go on to say and nought to two

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Speaker 3: hundred ks in just eight point four seconds, and then

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Speaker 3: they go top speed is limited to three hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty ks, And I go, so, what like? Who cares

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Speaker 3: whether are carking? And I like fast cars. I like

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Speaker 4: That's all about how quickly you can get to the

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Speaker 4: Oh you're joking. Of course, that's the most natural thing

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Speaker 4: What not? You don't break the speed limit? No, I

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Speaker 4: We're not in Germany now, Dr Robarta, what was.

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Speaker 3: Your fast car? Simuss? Text is it's irrelevant what my

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Speaker 4: You did?

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Speaker 3: It was a yeah, I don't like sund because people

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Speaker 3: But again it was I couldn't use it, so what

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Speaker 4: You enjoy it, that's what you do?

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Speaker 4: No, no it is. I think it's really really interesting

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Speaker 3: I like, mistext this person's got your number. This is James.

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Speaker 3: You're a man child? Who does that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pull up next to me at the traffic lights

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Speaker 3: I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: Hey, that study that Otago University did recently that shows

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, it just seems to be what wy society is

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Speaker 10: give all this powers to security guards. Nothing to get

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Speaker 3: Can I just suggest to you. And also there's a

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Speaker 10: Well, you understand that except for the friends of mine,

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Speaker 10: Whatever're trying to get money, So trying to exchange to

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Speaker 4: Greg.

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Speaker 3: Do they need more powers?

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Speaker 11: They definitely need more power because the amount of violence

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Speaker 12: More than it was when we were younger. You know,

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Speaker 13: Anything these days sort of thing.

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Speaker 12: And I've worked in security like we did the Lord

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Speaker 12: and that way they're also accountable. If they do turn

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Speaker 3: That's not unreasonable, Greg, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Should computer monitoring be allowed by your employer just to

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Speaker 3: they Chris, hey, how are you good?

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Speaker 14: I'm a friend's computing experts and when I get engaged

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Speaker 3: What does it matter if they're using if it's for

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Speaker 14: Well not in regards to the ownership of the device

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Speaker 14: On average, shopping and looking at social websites. From an

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Speaker 3: If the employer didn't get sign off in the contract

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Speaker 14: If I come back to I think your employer. Lloyd

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Speaker 14: You mean a lot of people do it a week.

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Speaker 14: Really there's a lot of it, far more than you,

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Speaker 2: Say own it really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Talking to you, Chris. Thank you for calling. Nice to chat. Cheers, Mate,

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Speaker 3: After all, he or she is paying you. I have

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Speaker 3: going forward. He's saying that is very aspirational. So you

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Speaker 3: might say that's a realistic comment, and it may well be,

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Speaker 3: but also you might look at it as almost resignation.

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Speaker 3: Why would you even come out and say that if

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Speaker 3: you're Tama Portaka, that looks like you're saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: way too big a job here. We're not gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to save them all. So get the old minds

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Speaker 3: cracked up, get the old machines going, dig up a

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Speaker 3: bit of this and a bit up of that.

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Speaker 4: That's another issue again, that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 4: it's But do you think softening the ground? Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think he is soft softening the ground. But if he's

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Speaker 4: going to focus on his on his portfolio of conservation,

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Speaker 4: then he should do something about those one thousand that

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Speaker 4: have been assessed.

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Speaker 3: I like Tama Portaker, but I think that's an unwise

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Speaker 3: statement and even his sort of I mean, how would

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Speaker 3: he know that it's going to cost hundreds of billions

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Speaker 3: of dollars to save those species.

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Speaker 4: It's going to cost a hell of a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hundreds of billions is a lot.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, just a few billion is a lot.

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Speaker 3: I just think I think there is an element of like,

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Speaker 3: who's going to choose which ones to say? And that's

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Speaker 3: where I sort of come unstuck. I'm like, good point, hi, Rob.

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Speaker 9: I think that the minister's absolutely onto it. He's a realist.

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Speaker 15: There's lots of animals and the well, there's lots of

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Speaker 15: things that need to be saved. But you can't save everything.

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Speaker 15: I've been hunting around North and South Island for the

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Speaker 15: last forty years and I've never even seen one of

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Speaker 15: those snails. I've seen one of the shells, but they've

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Speaker 15: seen a live one. But there are lots of animals

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Speaker 15: that needs saving, you know, look after the bellbirds.

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Speaker 13: And the toys and.

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Speaker 15: The day to day wildlife that we all see and appreciate,

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Speaker 15: you know, the ones that are worth saving.

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Speaker 13: Puts spending money on that.

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Speaker 15: But just today people are complaining about there's not enough

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Speaker 15: money for cancer drugs. I mean, where do you draw

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Speaker 15: the line, he's spend more money on dolphins and snails,

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Speaker 15: or do you let people die?

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Speaker 3: Or I actually think that's a valid point. Rob, I

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Speaker 3: actually genuinely do. I think that's a valid point. There

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Speaker 3: is only a certain amount of money. Rob, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for calling Steph Aren't.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, HI completely opposite verd of the last caller. I

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Speaker 16: think we need to stop monetizing whole species. I feel

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Speaker 16: like everything's developed over millennia in symbiosis all together, and

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Speaker 16: if we come along and we start eradicating whole species

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Speaker 16: and put the entire planet out of whack, I just

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Speaker 16: think we need to change our whole thinking. And I mean,

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Speaker 16: I know it's very aspirational to things like that, and

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Speaker 16: I don't know how we'd do it, but yeah, I

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Speaker 16: just can't. I don't think. I don't think you can

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Speaker 16: monetize the species.

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Speaker 3: I'm sort of on your side here, Stefan, But that

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Speaker 3: is a valid argument. The previous caller made that. You know,

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Speaker 3: what do you tell cancer patients that don't get their

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Speaker 3: drugs funded and they die.

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Speaker 4: We can find the money for the drugs somewhere. There's

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Speaker 4: enough money around for them to fund those cancer drugs.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it should come out of a conservation fund. Criky.

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Speaker 4: This text is something that would have an immediate effect

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Speaker 4: on the environment. Is moving feral cats into the predator list.

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Speaker 4: I reckon, that's just sensible. And cats, well, yeah, feral

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Speaker 4: cats are real and they are having a big impact

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Speaker 4: on the on the conservation estate. Yeah, we need a strategy.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you can't really take out old for some.

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Speaker 2: Boots chats laughs and the best calls.

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Speaker 2: Said be hello, Debbie, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: We're great, thanks for giving us a yell.

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Speaker 17: Let's okay. You've had a subject I'm quite passionate about.

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Speaker 3: Can you swim?

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Speaker 17: I can swim? My parents that can. I actually learned

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Speaker 17: whether a guy called Tom Jones I think his name

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Speaker 17: was actually and three kings in Auckland when I was

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Speaker 17: only a little And we moved to Australia in twenty

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Speaker 17: eighteen and I sat what we call over there my

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Speaker 17: odd swim qualifications and qualified to teach kids. And we're

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Speaker 17: now living back in New Zealand and we purchased a

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Speaker 17: swim school six years ago and have been teaching kids

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Speaker 17: to form ever since.

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Speaker 4: Okay, how much does it cost to teacher kid to swim?

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Speaker 17: So when we opened in twenty eighteen, we were charging

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Speaker 17: seventeen dollars fifty a lesson for a thirty minute lesson.

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Speaker 17: There one to four ratio for over three. Unfortunately, now

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Speaker 17: with no cost of living and everything else going up,

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Speaker 17: we've been hit at a small business. We're now charging

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Speaker 17: twenty three fifty, which is still pretty competitive in our area.

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Speaker 17: Some of the biggest centers are charging a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Now that you touched on something there a DeBie, which

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Speaker 3: is a bugbear of mine. I've noticed it, but that

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Speaker 3: sounds an amazing ratio year. I think you said one

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Speaker 3: to four, So one teacher for four kids, right maximum?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: And is that as age specific for that ratio over

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Speaker 3: three three year old that.

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Speaker 17: We had done two and a half year olds, that

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Speaker 17: when they're separating from their parents, that we put them

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Speaker 17: in with a teacher. And on that note, who was

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Speaker 17: talking before about teachers. So one of my amazing teachers

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Speaker 17: that I employed, she was fifteen years old, she's now eighteen.

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Speaker 17: She's one of the most popular teachers at our center.

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Speaker 17: And don't get me wrong, I've got a great staff

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Speaker 17: behind me, which I think is a huge reason we're

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Speaker 17: so successful. But we put a lot of time into

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Speaker 17: training those staff. One of the biggest sort of things

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Speaker 17: that we get that people grumble about when they come

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Speaker 17: from other places is that the teachers don't correct. They're

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Speaker 17: not there my teachers at one point, and it's because

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Speaker 17: they're doing something that they love.

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Speaker 3: Debbie, is it disappointing for you then, as a person

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Speaker 3: that runs and owns a swim school, that a lot

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Speaker 3: of schools have done away with swimming sports a.

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Speaker 17: Lot about our kids. Yeah, I think a lot of

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Speaker 17: the primary schools definitely have a lot of our kids. See,

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Speaker 17: we have them from three months old, and the caller

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Speaker 17: before was saying that her kids has been to three

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Speaker 17: different sim schools. You've definitely got a question that if

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Speaker 17: your kids aren't learning, there's something not right and it's

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Speaker 17: not necessarily your child, it's actually just passionate about it.

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Speaker 17: And our kids love coming to swimming. I've got kids,

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Speaker 17: you know, I'm not just saying this. They started with

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Speaker 17: us at three months. We've only been opened just over

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Speaker 17: six years. So I've got a little girl that swam

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Speaker 17: with me as a three month thol. She's six and

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Speaker 17: a half. She's swimming thirty meters freestyle, backstroke, restroke, and

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Speaker 17: she's just learning butterfly. She's six and a half.

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Speaker 3: Lovely and last thing in the six years increasing numbers

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Speaker 3: or dwindling numbers at your swim school.

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Speaker 17: We started with one hundred kids. We're just about the

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Speaker 17: hit five seventy.

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Speaker 18: Cheaper Poe your callers if your kids aren't learning to

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Speaker 18: shop around, Debbie, thank you very much bringing you the

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Speaker 18: best of the week.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Highlight Reel with Simon Barnett and

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Speaker 1: James Daniels, powered.

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Speaker 3: By News Talk sa'd be Let's Talk, Entertained and Lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: Emma Gleeson joins us.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Emma, So what actually makes avocado's bad for the environment?

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Speaker 10: What?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, there's been some interesting research from Thomas Davies, who's

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Speaker 19: from Lancaster University about kind of looking at broadly, you know,

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Speaker 19: how bad avocada's for the environment. Obviously, they're really popular

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Speaker 19: and everyone LUNs them on their toast and smashed and quacamole,

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Speaker 19: but they're not the best plants environmentally. They're very, very thirsty,

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Speaker 19: so they're requiring average of a thousand liters of water

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Speaker 19: per kg, which is higher than most fruits and vegetables,

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Speaker 19: but it is less than rice, and they're also often

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Speaker 19: grown in areas of the world that are face water issues,

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Speaker 19: like Mexico, so yeah, there's water issues. There's issues around

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Speaker 19: them being a monoculture. So they used to be planted

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Speaker 19: and mixed plots and now they're grown as exports, so

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Speaker 19: they're monocultures, which obviously affixed byodiversity. There's a carbon footprint

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Speaker 19: to think about, which is production and transports.

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Speaker 3: A lot of farms now feel bad.

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Speaker 19: I know it's enough to ruin your breakfast, So like,

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Speaker 19: there aren't any easy answers to this, but what you

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Speaker 19: can do is sort of focus on fair trade and organic.

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Speaker 19: But also remember certification is not a perfect solution because

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Speaker 19: it costs money and farmers can't always afford this. And yeah,

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Speaker 19: they're not the only food with an environmental burden. Meat

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Speaker 19: has one. Everything has one.

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Speaker 3: So coffee coffee is a nightmare and could we give

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Speaker 3: that up? That uses so much water?

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Speaker 19: Bag almonds are very, very thirsty and never know what

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Speaker 19: this almond milk everyone's having isn't greaty this, so there's

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Speaker 19: a lot to feel guilty about. So I don't know

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Speaker 19: the solution here. I usually try and scab an avocado

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Speaker 19: when people have a tree and take some home. I

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Speaker 19: feel like that's an ethical option, but I want to

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Speaker 19: jump the fence for your veggies every day.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, Emma, thank you very much. You have a

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Speaker 3: wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 19: You have a lovely weekend, guys. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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