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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at BE.

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Speaker 2: This week, we're doing things a little bit differently because

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Speaker 2: Nikki has just published More from a Quiet Kitchen, her

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Speaker 2: latest book, and it is a deeply personal collection of recipes, stories, anecdotes,

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Speaker 2: and life lessons. And Nickie's with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Yes, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Check.

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Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations, Just like a Quiet Kitchen, it

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Speaker 2: is beautiful, and I love the way that you sprinkle

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Speaker 2: in like your own anecdotes and your own stories, your

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Speaker 2: own little philosophical thoughts and lessons between the recipes that

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Speaker 2: have enriched your life so much. So just just for

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Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen the book, just tell us about

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Speaker 2: the concept a little bit.

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Speaker 3: First of all, So, I guess I wrote a couple

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Speaker 3: of books and they were sort of fairly traditional. They

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Speaker 3: were you know, and they kind of you know, desserts, mains, starts, whatever,

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And then these books, this series,

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Speaker 3: I really just feel as though that doesn't do that

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Speaker 3: sort of the food journey any any service, if you like.

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Speaker 3: So for some reason, my publisher has gone along with it.

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Speaker 3: So I get to have chapter headings like solitude and loneliness, retreats,

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Speaker 3: regrets and ridiculousness and that sort of thing. Because what

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Speaker 3: I do is, I suppose I do think of my life,

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Speaker 3: you know, as a series of kind of experiences and

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Speaker 3: the food that feeds into that. Literally, So yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: got no interest in sort of doing anything traditionally. But

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Speaker 3: then after I send it off the first draft to

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Speaker 3: the publisher, and the first edit always comes back where

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Speaker 3: within each one of those chapters they will put the

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Speaker 3: save the savory recipes first and the sweet ones, even

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Speaker 3: though I have sprinkled the sweet ones and I reverse them,

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Speaker 3: and I go back and go, no, no, I don't

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Speaker 3: want them to.

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Speaker 1: Be like that.

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Speaker 2: That's so when we got a copy of the book,

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Speaker 2: Liby and I, my producer, Liby and I immediately talked

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Speaker 2: about it and just said, the thing that we love

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Speaker 2: about you is your authenticity, Like you are who you are,

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Speaker 2: and that's why we love you, and you don't there's

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Speaker 2: no effort to ever try and be cool or cooler

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Speaker 2: than you are. Don't get me wrong, cooler, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. There's no you are you are you

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Speaker 2: are you, And that's what I think your readers love

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Speaker 2: about you. As well. And the truth is that since

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Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, right since COVID, you

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Speaker 2: have had a bit of an up and down time,

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Speaker 2: to say the least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, that's lovely for you to say that

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Speaker 3: around authenticity, I'd say that's really hard one for any human.

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Speaker 3: So I wasn't I mean, we were all born authentic

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Speaker 3: and then we learned not to be have to get

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Speaker 3: it back. So I wouldn't say that my thirties were

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Speaker 3: I've probably ended up exactly as other people saw me,

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Speaker 3: but I angsed a lot about what people were seeing,

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Speaker 3: not in a vain way, not in a oh I

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Speaker 3: need to present this way, but I just was very

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Speaker 3: a sort of shore front, whereas now I've kind of

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Speaker 3: matched my insides these days, which is a lot of

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Speaker 2: But there you go. So And I mean I mentioned COVID,

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Speaker 2: but after COVID you got hit by cyclon Gabrielle pretty hard.

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Speaker 3: And my small community got hit pretty hard. There's still

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Speaker 3: was pretty shocking, to be honest. If you haven't been

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Speaker 3: Please? And it really did shake me for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: And probably do you feel Do you feel more secure now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that has gone. But it took a

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Speaker 3: think that more from a quiet kitchen, certainly, the beautiful

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the photos are gorgeous. I mean, he's amazing. He

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Speaker 2: real art, A couple of little things, a little anecdotes

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Speaker 2: for one. You really lean into this and I love it.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you don't say it's just eating for one.

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Speaker 2: You say there's all sorts of stuff that can be

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Speaker 2: fun for one, traveling for one, going to concerts by yourself. Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I love so. Yeah, just talk to us a little

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Speaker 3: Well, Look, lots of people find themselves single for lots

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Speaker 3: living or being solo. Primarily we've all got great friends,

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Speaker 3: we've got family, we've got all that. But if you

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Speaker 3: stop going out for dinner, they might not go to

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Speaker 3: of those things, and I love all of them. A

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Speaker 3: the concerts thing before a Fleetwood mat concert. She said, look,

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Speaker 3: I've bought a single ticket. You know, I know you

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Speaker 1: Why are you?

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Speaker 3: And so we did. We met up beforehand.

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Speaker 2: We both went and.

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Speaker 3: Sat in our seats, had a great night. In fact,

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Speaker 3: that was the last time that they toured in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I'm so pleased I didn't. You can often pick up

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Speaker 2: In the nest. Yeah, I do think.

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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes what I've given I've given my readers

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Speaker 3: But what I Reckonjeck is loads of people are comfortable

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Speaker 3: just because they feel like, oh, no, your poor thing,

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Speaker 2: Of you want to join me? You're not having a

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Speaker 2: I reckon the book thing is. I think the book

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Speaker 2: reading a book just by myself. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: so mysterious right now. I always think, my gosh, I

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Speaker 2: was looking at me thinking, my gosh, I'm a mysterious person.

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Speaker 1: Is he a spy?

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Speaker 2: Spy?

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Speaker 3: Is he a reviewer? Yeah, exactly, No, none of those things.

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Speaker 3: You're just out enjoying your own company. Yeah, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: Always it's hard for people to downscale those or they

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Speaker 2: It's such a Yeah, it's and like I say, it is,

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Speaker 2: have been picked out for me. I just I've long

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Speaker 2: seid rice pudding is the most underrated of puddings.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, and the French have elevated it. I

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Speaker 3: or yes, at this time it may have just been

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it is so good, definitely so much.

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Speaker 2: Given you are such a beautiful part of the world

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Speaker 2: in Port wake outa. What's the record for the number

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Speaker 2: of toy and your nick of the woods?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I saw your toy video yesterday and I thought, how fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Peers I'm always like, are they friends, Are they a

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Speaker 2: couple or do they hate each other? Like it's all

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Speaker 2: of those things could apply.

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Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, I think everything about

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Speaker 3: a toy is slightly clumsy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not. They're not elegant until they stopped.

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Speaker 3: Flying exactly, and they're just amazing. But even their song,

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