1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talks It be 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:16,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:19,733 Speaker 1: It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 4 00:00:19,773 --> 00:00:25,293 Speaker 1: the information, all the debates. Off down the Layton Smith 5 00:00:25,413 --> 00:00:27,533 Speaker 1: podcast powered by news Talks It. 6 00:00:27,613 --> 00:00:30,413 Speaker 2: Be Welcome to podcasts two hundred and sixty five and 7 00:00:30,453 --> 00:00:34,813 Speaker 2: November thirteen, twenty twenty four. How well We're governed is 8 00:00:34,973 --> 00:00:38,973 Speaker 2: entitled to be an open, continuous question. Political competence is 9 00:00:39,013 --> 00:00:44,013 Speaker 2: never guaranteed. Complacency is too easy a position to settle 10 00:00:44,013 --> 00:00:47,893 Speaker 2: in which states the case for the need for skeptics. 11 00:00:48,453 --> 00:00:52,333 Speaker 2: Whether it's New Zealand, Australia, Britain, America, the principles are 12 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:56,213 Speaker 2: the same that I leave out Canada. Now that DJ 13 00:00:56,413 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 2: Trump has been re elected, is no reason to relax 14 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:03,853 Speaker 2: and expect all aspects of administration to be perfect. There's 15 00:01:03,973 --> 00:01:10,573 Speaker 2: always something capable of dispensing unexpected issues, such as the 16 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:15,613 Speaker 2: World Health Organization. Here are two headlines Shane Jones World 17 00:01:15,613 --> 00:01:21,693 Speaker 2: Health Organization needs reform, not fattening zecond aheader New Zealand First, 18 00:01:21,733 --> 00:01:27,253 Speaker 2: fears over who regulations are misplaced, Robust checks and balances 19 00:01:27,773 --> 00:01:32,493 Speaker 2: already exist and here is a giveaway that is halfway 20 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:35,413 Speaker 2: down the page. You can trust this article because it's 21 00:01:35,413 --> 00:01:41,093 Speaker 2: written by academics, really, but you get the picture. Looks 22 00:01:41,133 --> 00:01:46,373 Speaker 2: all sounds like the ultimate pulpits of truth. Now in 23 00:01:46,413 --> 00:01:49,173 Speaker 2: the interview to follow with doctor David Bell, who has 24 00:01:49,213 --> 00:01:52,653 Speaker 2: been on the podcast on a few occasions now, and 25 00:01:52,693 --> 00:01:56,653 Speaker 2: if you wonder why, the answer is because I appreciate 26 00:01:56,773 --> 00:02:02,293 Speaker 2: his opinions. Discussion covers what I've already mentioned and a 27 00:02:02,293 --> 00:02:04,133 Speaker 2: whole lot more. I think the best way I can 28 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:08,053 Speaker 2: describe it is it is and will be enlightening. Now 29 00:02:08,053 --> 00:02:12,413 Speaker 2: brief to another matter. I quote you Neil ferguson the historian. 30 00:02:12,853 --> 00:02:17,373 Speaker 2: Trump's victory is a blow to political lawfare, critical race theory, 31 00:02:17,573 --> 00:02:22,453 Speaker 2: woke campuses, legacy media, and Hollywood. It's also a win 32 00:02:22,573 --> 00:02:26,493 Speaker 2: for a new generation of builders like Elon Musk. Now, 33 00:02:26,533 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 2: after the mail room, we shall indulge in a little 34 00:02:29,413 --> 00:02:34,693 Speaker 2: more on Trump's triumph last week, but in a moment David. 35 00:02:34,373 --> 00:02:44,733 Speaker 3: Bell Layton Smith. 36 00:02:45,093 --> 00:02:49,533 Speaker 2: Leverix is an antihistamine made in Switzerland to the highest quality. 37 00:02:49,733 --> 00:02:53,613 Speaker 2: Leverix relieves hay fever and skin allergies or itchy skin. 38 00:02:54,093 --> 00:02:58,373 Speaker 2: It's a dual action antihistamine and has a unique nasal 39 00:02:58,613 --> 00:03:03,253 Speaker 2: decongested action. It's fast acting for fast relief and it 40 00:03:03,293 --> 00:03:06,413 Speaker 2: works in under an hour and lasts for over twenty 41 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:10,253 Speaker 2: four hours. 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David is a former 50 00:03:49,493 --> 00:03:53,333 Speaker 2: medical officer and scientist at the World Health Organization, the 51 00:03:53,413 --> 00:03:57,973 Speaker 2: WHO Program head for Malaria and febrile Diseases at the 52 00:03:58,013 --> 00:04:03,653 Speaker 2: Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics in Geneva, and Director of 53 00:04:03,973 --> 00:04:09,773 Speaker 2: Global Health Technologies at Intellectual Ventures Global Good in Bellevue 54 00:04:10,013 --> 00:04:14,493 Speaker 2: in Washington State in the United States. He is also 55 00:04:14,853 --> 00:04:18,333 Speaker 2: a guest on this podcast, has been a guest on 56 00:04:18,373 --> 00:04:22,133 Speaker 2: this podcast more than once, twice, three, maybe four times. 57 00:04:22,453 --> 00:04:24,693 Speaker 2: And it's very good to welcome you back. I'm appreciative 58 00:04:24,853 --> 00:04:28,413 Speaker 2: of the fact that you are here. Yeah, thanks for 59 00:04:28,453 --> 00:04:32,093 Speaker 2: having me back late. It is always interesting, it is 60 00:04:32,093 --> 00:04:34,573 Speaker 2: always a pleasure. I got to say, what a quote. 61 00:04:34,893 --> 00:04:36,853 Speaker 2: I want to quote a lot of things actually in 62 00:04:36,973 --> 00:04:42,373 Speaker 2: this podcast, but let me start with an example of destructive, 63 00:04:42,733 --> 00:04:47,373 Speaker 2: unaccountable bureaucratic overreach, which is part of what you opened 64 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:51,893 Speaker 2: up with for a column on Brownstone. An example and 65 00:04:51,973 --> 00:04:57,213 Speaker 2: I repeat it, of destructive, unaccountable bureaucratic overreach. Are you 66 00:04:57,333 --> 00:05:02,213 Speaker 2: taking a stronger stance over I won't say against, but 67 00:05:02,413 --> 00:05:04,373 Speaker 2: over the World Health Organization? 68 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:09,133 Speaker 3: Now, I don't think so. I've I think for the 69 00:05:09,173 --> 00:05:12,253 Speaker 3: last four years, I've been pointing out what is going on. 70 00:05:12,613 --> 00:05:15,213 Speaker 3: I mean, in the end, you have an organization that 71 00:05:15,413 --> 00:05:19,733 Speaker 3: has knowingly impoverished the world and that they absolutely knew 72 00:05:19,733 --> 00:05:22,613 Speaker 3: what they're doing. And it's I think most of your 73 00:05:22,893 --> 00:05:28,013 Speaker 3: viewers probably don't understand the extent of an additional one 74 00:05:28,093 --> 00:05:31,533 Speaker 3: hundred million plus people in severe poverty through deprivation, up 75 00:05:31,573 --> 00:05:35,493 Speaker 3: to ten million girls in additional in child marriage, increased 76 00:05:35,573 --> 00:05:39,173 Speaker 3: child labor, a huge increase in national debt, in low 77 00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:43,533 Speaker 3: income countries, which will translate into them being forced to 78 00:05:43,573 --> 00:05:48,693 Speaker 3: comply with global predators who prey on such in derbted countries. 79 00:05:49,373 --> 00:05:52,613 Speaker 3: And this is what has happened. I think now it's 80 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:56,493 Speaker 3: interesting because that there's a chance at least something may 81 00:05:56,613 --> 00:06:01,333 Speaker 3: change slightly with the US election. So it's but I 82 00:06:01,373 --> 00:06:06,613 Speaker 3: think those words are not out of sync with what've 83 00:06:06,973 --> 00:06:10,053 Speaker 3: and others have been saying for quite a while. I 84 00:06:10,093 --> 00:06:14,213 Speaker 3: was going to is a massive organization, is a huge bureaucracy, 85 00:06:14,453 --> 00:06:17,773 Speaker 3: It's grossly out of touch with reality, and it is 86 00:06:18,013 --> 00:06:20,293 Speaker 3: deliberately misleading countries. 87 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:23,613 Speaker 2: I was going to raise the American election result with 88 00:06:23,733 --> 00:06:26,693 Speaker 2: you a little later, so let's just park it for 89 00:06:26,733 --> 00:06:29,533 Speaker 2: the moment, because there is probably a little more than 90 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:36,853 Speaker 2: just this to discuss. I want to quote you this 91 00:06:36,893 --> 00:06:41,373 Speaker 2: particular headline, followed by another one New Zealand first, fears 92 00:06:41,413 --> 00:06:48,613 Speaker 2: over who regulations are misplaced, robust checks and balances already exist, 93 00:06:50,093 --> 00:06:53,853 Speaker 2: and then the second headline is Shane Jones world health 94 00:06:53,933 --> 00:06:56,653 Speaker 2: organization needs reform not fappening. 95 00:06:56,853 --> 00:06:57,013 Speaker 3: Now. 96 00:06:57,053 --> 00:07:01,933 Speaker 2: These are two at variance commentaries. One is written by journalists, 97 00:07:01,933 --> 00:07:06,253 Speaker 2: the other is written by well politician, which one of 98 00:07:06,253 --> 00:07:08,653 Speaker 2: those is closer to the reality. 99 00:07:09,093 --> 00:07:12,413 Speaker 3: Or clearly the second one. I think that's time I 100 00:07:12,413 --> 00:07:14,453 Speaker 3: was on this program where I was we were talking 101 00:07:14,493 --> 00:07:16,733 Speaker 3: about the work of the University of Leeds, where we're 102 00:07:16,733 --> 00:07:22,173 Speaker 3: looking at the International Pandemic Agenda, the push by WHO, 103 00:07:22,933 --> 00:07:25,773 Speaker 3: World Bank, G twenty, et cetera to increase funding from 104 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:32,093 Speaker 3: countries from taxpayers for this rapidly growing bureaucracy around pandemics 105 00:07:32,093 --> 00:07:37,013 Speaker 3: and supposedly increasing pandemic risk, and where we've shown conclusively 106 00:07:37,093 --> 00:07:41,733 Speaker 3: that this is well as WHO would term it misinformation. 107 00:07:42,773 --> 00:07:48,533 Speaker 3: They are twisting the reality around infectious disease, pandemic risk 108 00:07:48,693 --> 00:07:51,773 Speaker 3: and the costs of dealing with it and the effect 109 00:07:51,773 --> 00:07:55,773 Speaker 3: that would have. But journalists, I think, by and large 110 00:07:55,813 --> 00:07:58,853 Speaker 3: don't dig into things like that anymore. They just assume 111 00:07:58,933 --> 00:08:02,173 Speaker 3: if the World Bank or the G twenty says something, 112 00:08:02,173 --> 00:08:05,173 Speaker 3: it must be true. So I'm not defending journalists, but 113 00:08:05,213 --> 00:08:09,653 Speaker 3: I think that's probably where those sorts of responses come from. 114 00:08:09,933 --> 00:08:12,893 Speaker 3: So I mean, when that is happening, when the WHO 115 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:17,013 Speaker 3: is doing that as well, then clearly what change journes 116 00:08:17,133 --> 00:08:21,213 Speaker 3: it makes sense that the WHO is it is a 117 00:08:21,333 --> 00:08:24,373 Speaker 3: huge It's not just a WHO, but the whole intershal 118 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:27,573 Speaker 3: health bureaucracy is tens of thousands of people. 119 00:08:27,613 --> 00:08:27,773 Speaker 2: Now. 120 00:08:28,013 --> 00:08:32,293 Speaker 3: It is a huge and rapidly growing industry that lives 121 00:08:32,733 --> 00:08:36,813 Speaker 3: mostly off taxpayer money and mostly in very wealthy countries, 122 00:08:38,813 --> 00:08:43,693 Speaker 3: and as we saw in COVID, is now no longer 123 00:08:43,733 --> 00:08:49,773 Speaker 3: really helping, but is increasing the risk of port health 124 00:08:49,813 --> 00:08:54,733 Speaker 3: and impoverishing people, concentrating wealth in the pharmaceutical companies that 125 00:08:54,773 --> 00:08:59,213 Speaker 3: have very much become influential in it. What these organizations 126 00:08:59,213 --> 00:09:03,573 Speaker 3: should be doing is helping countries when they're asked to 127 00:09:03,613 --> 00:09:07,013 Speaker 3: build capacity so that we don't need these organizations anymore. 128 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:10,893 Speaker 3: So that's the op they shouldn't be growing. You know, 129 00:09:11,533 --> 00:09:14,613 Speaker 3: there was a who is set up in the late 130 00:09:14,693 --> 00:09:19,933 Speaker 3: nineteen forties. It was helping countries that came out of 131 00:09:19,933 --> 00:09:23,613 Speaker 3: colonialism to sort of get on their feet deal with 132 00:09:24,093 --> 00:09:30,013 Speaker 3: major diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, and now those what should 133 00:09:30,053 --> 00:09:32,373 Speaker 3: be happening is us countries should be getting on their feet, 134 00:09:32,413 --> 00:09:36,173 Speaker 3: so we shouldn't need the WHO anymore in anything like 135 00:09:37,293 --> 00:09:40,093 Speaker 3: you know, as a large organization, you can have a 136 00:09:40,093 --> 00:09:44,013 Speaker 3: place where countries meet and so on, but there isn't 137 00:09:44,013 --> 00:09:49,973 Speaker 3: a place for a growing international health bureaucracy. If we 138 00:09:50,093 --> 00:09:53,693 Speaker 3: are getting better at medicine in countries and we're building capacity, 139 00:09:53,733 --> 00:09:58,213 Speaker 3: and sanitation is getting better, and nutrition is getting better, 140 00:09:58,213 --> 00:10:02,013 Speaker 3: et cetera. It should be. And if that's still not 141 00:10:02,093 --> 00:10:04,773 Speaker 3: the case, if we're seventy or eighty years into WHO 142 00:10:05,213 --> 00:10:08,253 Speaker 3: and they are seeing the problems are growing and not 143 00:10:08,413 --> 00:10:12,333 Speaker 3: reducing despite all the improvement in technology and everything in 144 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:16,773 Speaker 3: the world, then clearly they're a gross failure anyway, So 145 00:10:16,813 --> 00:10:18,213 Speaker 3: we should be looking at something else. 146 00:10:18,973 --> 00:10:23,333 Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty, the WHO has orchestrated and condoned one 147 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:27,173 Speaker 2: of the most devastating assaults on individual and societal health 148 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:31,373 Speaker 2: the world has seen. At the behest of highly conflicted sponsors, 149 00:10:31,573 --> 00:10:36,453 Speaker 2: this international bureaucracy promoted policies that overwhelmingly harmed the world's 150 00:10:36,493 --> 00:10:40,093 Speaker 2: most disadvantage. The organization turned on those whom it had 151 00:10:40,133 --> 00:10:43,613 Speaker 2: been set up to serve. Returning to the pre World 152 00:10:43,613 --> 00:10:49,013 Speaker 2: War II mindset of technocratic authoritarianism that characterize public health 153 00:10:49,053 --> 00:10:55,253 Speaker 2: in the area of eugenics, colonialism, and European fascism. Now 154 00:10:55,293 --> 00:10:59,013 Speaker 2: those last three terms are things that those of the 155 00:10:59,133 --> 00:11:04,773 Speaker 2: left regale against constantly, and yet here we are, and 156 00:11:04,813 --> 00:11:09,893 Speaker 2: here you are writing that about an organization that we 157 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:15,173 Speaker 2: all know the bureaucracies either live by growth or die 158 00:11:15,253 --> 00:11:19,613 Speaker 2: by the growth. So is it fair to say that 159 00:11:19,653 --> 00:11:22,573 Speaker 2: they're simply thinking of survival. 160 00:11:23,093 --> 00:11:30,053 Speaker 3: The thing of growth. Yeah. So the demos are organization 161 00:11:30,133 --> 00:11:32,173 Speaker 3: of thousands of people, and there's still people there who 162 00:11:32,253 --> 00:11:35,293 Speaker 3: are working hard and doing useful stuff. It's not like 163 00:11:35,453 --> 00:11:40,213 Speaker 3: the whole organization is completely corrupted, but I think at 164 00:11:40,253 --> 00:11:42,893 Speaker 3: the top of the policy level it has been for 165 00:11:42,933 --> 00:11:46,413 Speaker 3: the last several years. And you know, I mentioned some 166 00:11:46,453 --> 00:11:49,613 Speaker 3: of the numbers in COVID. Then the abandonment of science 167 00:11:49,653 --> 00:11:53,613 Speaker 3: in COVID, which was gross, the abandonment of pretending that 168 00:11:53,773 --> 00:11:58,813 Speaker 3: mass work and social distincting and pretending that you should 169 00:11:58,853 --> 00:12:01,973 Speaker 3: close stop travel when you've got the same virus on 170 00:12:02,293 --> 00:12:07,653 Speaker 3: both hents of the travel path and the essential completely 171 00:12:07,973 --> 00:12:13,493 Speaker 3: district guard for human immunity natural immunity. We had the 172 00:12:13,573 --> 00:12:18,133 Speaker 3: most expensive of public health program in Africa or mass 173 00:12:18,293 --> 00:12:22,253 Speaker 3: vaccination when who knew from their own studies that almost 174 00:12:22,253 --> 00:12:28,813 Speaker 3: the whole population already had effective immunity against COVID from 175 00:12:28,933 --> 00:12:34,493 Speaker 3: natural infection. So it's an organization which there's thousands of people. 176 00:12:35,093 --> 00:12:38,853 Speaker 3: If you're in an organization for twenty or thirty years, 177 00:12:38,893 --> 00:12:42,173 Speaker 3: inevitably you sort of lose the edge of the good 178 00:12:42,173 --> 00:12:45,773 Speaker 3: intent you might have gone in with, and you become 179 00:12:46,013 --> 00:12:49,253 Speaker 3: you want your pension, which is very extremely good at 180 00:12:49,373 --> 00:12:51,333 Speaker 3: who so you want to hang out for that, So 181 00:12:51,413 --> 00:12:54,853 Speaker 3: you want to comply. You have your kids in high 182 00:12:54,853 --> 00:12:56,853 Speaker 3: school or college or whatever, and they get a seventy 183 00:12:56,893 --> 00:13:01,253 Speaker 3: five percent education subsidy, you get a rental subsidy, you 184 00:13:01,293 --> 00:13:03,453 Speaker 3: get very good salary. On top of all this, you 185 00:13:03,453 --> 00:13:06,733 Speaker 3: get business class travel, five star hotels or the rest 186 00:13:06,733 --> 00:13:12,533 Speaker 3: of it. You inevitably, almost everyone, I think, start to 187 00:13:12,573 --> 00:13:16,413 Speaker 3: think that you're one, you're really important, more important than 188 00:13:16,453 --> 00:13:18,773 Speaker 3: other people because you've paid so well when you travel 189 00:13:18,813 --> 00:13:23,173 Speaker 3: in important aircraft seats and get picked up by cars 190 00:13:23,213 --> 00:13:29,253 Speaker 3: with a blue badge on the door. And secondly, oh, 191 00:13:29,293 --> 00:13:32,373 Speaker 3: you see it in all institutions, I think the role 192 00:13:32,453 --> 00:13:35,253 Speaker 3: of the institution, or the existence and the reputation the 193 00:13:35,253 --> 00:13:40,293 Speaker 3: institution becomes your primary focus because you think that the 194 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,453 Speaker 3: world needs your institution and therefore you must protect it. 195 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,453 Speaker 3: So you know, this is the sort of thing that 196 00:13:45,573 --> 00:13:49,613 Speaker 3: is the effect of the Catholic Church, for instance, with 197 00:13:49,933 --> 00:13:54,293 Speaker 3: the cover up of child sexual abuse in the past, 198 00:13:54,413 --> 00:13:56,973 Speaker 3: and you see the same thing in the un actually 199 00:13:57,013 --> 00:14:01,733 Speaker 3: for exactly the same issue, or really the Human Rights 200 00:14:01,733 --> 00:14:04,613 Speaker 3: Council has been guilty of this in Central African Republic 201 00:14:04,653 --> 00:14:08,293 Speaker 3: about ten years ago. So you tend to put your 202 00:14:08,373 --> 00:14:12,493 Speaker 3: your organization first and not the supposed goal of the organization. 203 00:14:12,813 --> 00:14:16,173 Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know of any bureaucracy anywhere that 204 00:14:16,253 --> 00:14:19,173 Speaker 3: has worked to put itself out of existence, because that 205 00:14:19,253 --> 00:14:22,413 Speaker 3: means losing your salary, losing the salary of your team. 206 00:14:23,053 --> 00:14:26,373 Speaker 3: But if you're an international organization that is a servant 207 00:14:26,413 --> 00:14:29,893 Speaker 3: of countries and a servant of populations and your job 208 00:14:29,933 --> 00:14:32,093 Speaker 3: is to build their capacity, that is actually what you 209 00:14:32,133 --> 00:14:35,293 Speaker 3: should do. So I can imagine you could struct an 210 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:38,933 Speaker 3: organization to do that. It's probably something where people can 211 00:14:38,973 --> 00:14:40,693 Speaker 3: only say five or ten years, and they have to 212 00:14:40,773 --> 00:14:43,933 Speaker 3: rotate out anyway, so it doesn't become their permanent home. 213 00:14:44,573 --> 00:14:48,093 Speaker 3: But once you allow an organization to become a permanent 214 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:50,933 Speaker 3: home for a large bureaucracy, it's not going to work 215 00:14:50,973 --> 00:14:53,373 Speaker 3: its way out of assistance. It's going to look to grow, 216 00:14:53,973 --> 00:14:58,413 Speaker 3: because that's just what human institutions do. And in Who's case, 217 00:14:58,573 --> 00:15:02,333 Speaker 3: to grow it meant throwing away essentially a lot of 218 00:15:02,373 --> 00:15:07,293 Speaker 3: the conflict of interests rules that they had in the 219 00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:12,253 Speaker 3: past and getting to bed with large corporations and private 220 00:15:12,333 --> 00:15:16,333 Speaker 3: sector investors, and so about twenty five percent of their 221 00:15:16,373 --> 00:15:22,213 Speaker 3: budget now is directly from or in directly from private sector, 222 00:15:23,533 --> 00:15:26,533 Speaker 3: and most of their budget, whether from countries or private sector, 223 00:15:26,653 --> 00:15:30,293 Speaker 3: is specified so that the funder tells you what you 224 00:15:30,293 --> 00:15:32,853 Speaker 3: would do with that money. That's not how WHO started. 225 00:15:33,413 --> 00:15:37,293 Speaker 3: It was supposed to be an organization where technical expertise, 226 00:15:37,333 --> 00:15:42,293 Speaker 3: at the request of countries would be used to address 227 00:15:42,373 --> 00:15:46,613 Speaker 3: the needs of those countries. It's become, through its budget, 228 00:15:46,773 --> 00:15:50,973 Speaker 3: an organization that follows the instructions of those who are 229 00:15:50,973 --> 00:15:54,693 Speaker 3: giving it money. And that happens because you keep thinking 230 00:15:54,813 --> 00:15:58,293 Speaker 3: more money will be good, and you're you know you're 231 00:15:58,933 --> 00:16:02,013 Speaker 3: capable of handing the conflict of interest bit and you 232 00:16:02,053 --> 00:16:04,133 Speaker 3: won't be corrupted a sea, But of course you are, 233 00:16:04,213 --> 00:16:06,533 Speaker 3: because you know that to get refunded next year, you 234 00:16:06,573 --> 00:16:09,733 Speaker 3: have to please that funder. So when I worked in WHO, 235 00:16:09,813 --> 00:16:12,893 Speaker 3: I saw this growing. I started in about two thousand 236 00:16:12,893 --> 00:16:15,613 Speaker 3: and two worked there for about eight or ten years, 237 00:16:15,613 --> 00:16:19,453 Speaker 3: and this was a period particularly where private foundations became 238 00:16:19,973 --> 00:16:25,133 Speaker 3: very influential, where the probably private partnerships alongside WHO grew 239 00:16:25,213 --> 00:16:29,893 Speaker 3: up and became influential on it and the COVID response 240 00:16:29,973 --> 00:16:37,053 Speaker 3: is inevitable. Result of that. It was essentially restructuring response 241 00:16:37,133 --> 00:16:42,853 Speaker 3: to outbreaks in order to maximize profit through mass vaccination 242 00:16:43,373 --> 00:16:47,013 Speaker 3: forever a disease that almost really almost no one should 243 00:16:47,013 --> 00:16:50,533 Speaker 3: have been needed to be vaccinated. So the reason for that, 244 00:16:50,573 --> 00:16:52,893 Speaker 3: and the reason they abandoned their old guidelines and did 245 00:16:52,933 --> 00:16:55,693 Speaker 3: that was because that was what they needed to do 246 00:16:55,773 --> 00:17:01,613 Speaker 3: to please their funders. So it's who is a tool 247 00:17:01,813 --> 00:17:04,173 Speaker 3: of others. It's supposed to be a tool of countries, 248 00:17:04,213 --> 00:17:06,693 Speaker 3: and it should be a temporary tool until the country 249 00:17:06,773 --> 00:17:09,893 Speaker 3: stand on their own feet. Has become a fol of 250 00:17:10,133 --> 00:17:14,933 Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical industry and biotech and those who invest in it. Yeah, 251 00:17:15,013 --> 00:17:19,893 Speaker 3: so I think you know, Shane Jones is arriets. It 252 00:17:20,013 --> 00:17:24,373 Speaker 3: is not contributing. Now, there's no reason for it to 253 00:17:24,413 --> 00:17:29,053 Speaker 3: grow because actually infectious disease mortality has been steadily declining 254 00:17:29,093 --> 00:17:32,933 Speaker 3: to spital the hype, and over the last many decades, 255 00:17:32,973 --> 00:17:38,893 Speaker 3: the mortality from outbreaks and from pandemics has been declining. 256 00:17:40,053 --> 00:17:43,693 Speaker 3: So COVID was an outlier which very likely was not 257 00:17:43,773 --> 00:17:48,613 Speaker 3: a natural outbreak, and certainly many of the deaths from 258 00:17:48,653 --> 00:17:53,613 Speaker 3: covid iatrogenic. There's really little doubt about that with the 259 00:17:53,653 --> 00:17:57,213 Speaker 3: mass use of drugs like remdeser beere and very early 260 00:17:57,293 --> 00:18:03,133 Speaker 3: intubation early on in the pandemic, so people panicked. They 261 00:18:03,173 --> 00:18:06,133 Speaker 3: did that. That happened because there was a huge media 262 00:18:06,173 --> 00:18:09,373 Speaker 3: operation to make people panic. And the now mortality is 263 00:18:09,413 --> 00:18:13,333 Speaker 3: almost zero, and most of that is from people gaining 264 00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:18,053 Speaker 3: well one from people gaining natural immunity too, because if 265 00:18:18,093 --> 00:18:21,173 Speaker 3: you just leave it as you would treat a common cold, 266 00:18:21,213 --> 00:18:23,333 Speaker 3: then for the vast majority of the population, that'll be 267 00:18:23,373 --> 00:18:27,813 Speaker 3: what it is. So it was used as a tool 268 00:18:27,973 --> 00:18:31,733 Speaker 3: to please these funders. But apart from that, there is 269 00:18:31,973 --> 00:18:35,173 Speaker 3: very little in the way of our breaks astray, the 270 00:18:35,493 --> 00:18:40,293 Speaker 3: mass cholera immortality, the plague, that yellow fever and so on. 271 00:18:40,493 --> 00:18:43,373 Speaker 3: We have very small outbreaks. Now these are things of 272 00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:47,093 Speaker 3: the past. So there's no good reason for the WHA 273 00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:49,053 Speaker 3: to be growing at all. It should be shrinking. 274 00:18:50,293 --> 00:18:51,173 Speaker 2: But it's not going to. 275 00:18:52,773 --> 00:18:56,933 Speaker 3: It's not going to unless there's a radical change in 276 00:18:56,973 --> 00:19:00,173 Speaker 3: the way it's run. And it is hard to see 277 00:19:00,173 --> 00:19:02,653 Speaker 3: how that would happen because an organization like that, you've 278 00:19:02,653 --> 00:19:06,053 Speaker 3: got to do that change to a large extent through 279 00:19:06,173 --> 00:19:08,213 Speaker 3: people there who would be extremely resistant. 280 00:19:09,093 --> 00:19:13,813 Speaker 2: I know that we've discussed this before from one aspect anyway, 281 00:19:14,053 --> 00:19:17,373 Speaker 2: But let me let me just raise it again. What 282 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:22,133 Speaker 2: would be the I'm going back to the conflict between 283 00:19:22,373 --> 00:19:26,373 Speaker 2: Shane Jones just to use this as an example and journalists, 284 00:19:26,773 --> 00:19:30,053 Speaker 2: because the journalists are pretty much all the same. They're 285 00:19:30,213 --> 00:19:33,493 Speaker 2: they're the same over the over the American election as well. 286 00:19:33,893 --> 00:19:37,933 Speaker 2: They can't help themselves. But if New Zealand were to 287 00:19:37,973 --> 00:19:41,053 Speaker 2: not participate in the in the changes that are being 288 00:19:41,093 --> 00:19:45,493 Speaker 2: made by the World Health Organization, what would be the downside? 289 00:19:46,733 --> 00:19:51,253 Speaker 3: None for New Zealand, it would save some money and 290 00:19:51,413 --> 00:19:57,493 Speaker 3: it would not be essentially forced to build a large 291 00:19:57,893 --> 00:20:02,533 Speaker 3: surveillance network to find viral variants and then risk you know, 292 00:20:02,693 --> 00:20:05,773 Speaker 3: being having to lock down and destroy your economy again 293 00:20:06,173 --> 00:20:10,373 Speaker 3: to assuage the needs of in Geneva. So there are 294 00:20:10,373 --> 00:20:14,213 Speaker 3: plenty of diseases for New Zealanders to deal with. Most 295 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,733 Speaker 3: people die of cancer, heart disease, cutting, vascular disease, et cetera. 296 00:20:19,053 --> 00:20:23,493 Speaker 3: There are still significant rheumatic heart disease and other infection 297 00:20:24,293 --> 00:20:30,173 Speaker 3: based mortality in all populations, in particularly indigenous populations around 298 00:20:30,173 --> 00:20:32,653 Speaker 3: the Pacific and so on. There's plenty for New Zealand 299 00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:37,813 Speaker 3: to do without participating in a sort of essentially fast 300 00:20:38,053 --> 00:20:44,173 Speaker 3: this falsification of risk. So there's nothing that would matter 301 00:20:44,333 --> 00:20:46,973 Speaker 3: unless you got to a situation where the World Bank 302 00:20:47,013 --> 00:20:49,013 Speaker 3: and the IMF, who are very on board with this 303 00:20:49,253 --> 00:20:55,813 Speaker 3: agenda of who decided to punish New Zealand. And New 304 00:20:55,893 --> 00:20:58,573 Speaker 3: Zealand now I think has a very large initial debt 305 00:20:58,853 --> 00:21:03,293 Speaker 3: which would encouraging the COVID response like many countries, so 306 00:21:03,373 --> 00:21:08,973 Speaker 3: that makes you much more vulnerable to that. So that's 307 00:21:09,173 --> 00:21:11,573 Speaker 3: I mean, we'll come back to the US, but this 308 00:21:11,653 --> 00:21:14,533 Speaker 3: is where it'll be interesting to see whether the international 309 00:21:14,573 --> 00:21:18,173 Speaker 3: political situation has changed such that you can't be punished 310 00:21:18,173 --> 00:21:19,613 Speaker 3: for that, because that will take a lot of the 311 00:21:19,613 --> 00:21:22,533 Speaker 3: wind out of the sales of the pandemic. 312 00:21:23,013 --> 00:21:28,333 Speaker 2: I don't know whether this is international or spreads wider 313 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:32,373 Speaker 2: than New Zealand, but I've noticed that the people who 314 00:21:34,413 --> 00:21:40,533 Speaker 2: are deserving of some degree of condemnation over their behavior 315 00:21:40,573 --> 00:21:45,333 Speaker 2: and attitude toward the administration of the last few years 316 00:21:45,773 --> 00:21:49,093 Speaker 2: are the same people who are promoting and pushing hardest 317 00:21:49,653 --> 00:21:53,613 Speaker 2: for New Zealand to participate in the in the latest 318 00:21:53,693 --> 00:21:56,013 Speaker 2: changes being made by the Who. 319 00:21:56,773 --> 00:22:00,253 Speaker 3: Why would that be, do you think? Yeah, I think 320 00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:05,213 Speaker 3: it's a range of motivations. Some people. I think they 321 00:22:05,293 --> 00:22:09,933 Speaker 3: do very well from funding from the pharmaceuticals who are 322 00:22:10,013 --> 00:22:12,173 Speaker 3: very much behind this agenda, because they see hundreds of 323 00:22:12,213 --> 00:22:15,813 Speaker 3: billions of dollars of profit in the long term. So 324 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:19,613 Speaker 3: they're doing what they're paid for probably or what they were. 325 00:22:19,653 --> 00:22:23,413 Speaker 3: They're saying what they see as the best potential for 326 00:22:23,453 --> 00:22:26,053 Speaker 3: them to get paid in the future. I think others, 327 00:22:26,733 --> 00:22:29,573 Speaker 3: as we said that they genuinely believe this story, that 328 00:22:29,693 --> 00:22:35,173 Speaker 3: they just assume that these large institutions would be telling 329 00:22:35,213 --> 00:22:38,133 Speaker 3: the truth, that they have expertise, which they don't, and 330 00:22:39,293 --> 00:22:42,413 Speaker 3: that they are you know, so they just go along 331 00:22:42,453 --> 00:22:44,693 Speaker 3: and they're not going to stop and think deeply because 332 00:22:44,693 --> 00:22:46,813 Speaker 3: they've all been told that anyone who does is al 333 00:22:46,893 --> 00:22:50,733 Speaker 3: right wing conspiracy theorists and they're likely to be vilified. 334 00:22:50,853 --> 00:22:53,613 Speaker 3: So they you know, if you want a good job 335 00:22:53,653 --> 00:22:57,213 Speaker 3: in global health, international public health, you don't stick your 336 00:22:57,253 --> 00:23:01,053 Speaker 3: head out like that. And yeah, I think others they 337 00:23:01,093 --> 00:23:04,533 Speaker 3: may be realizing, they may dip down that this was 338 00:23:05,173 --> 00:23:07,253 Speaker 3: a mistake, if you know, for whatever the reason they 339 00:23:07,293 --> 00:23:10,493 Speaker 3: went on in the first place. But it's really difficult 340 00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:12,173 Speaker 3: to admit that if you sort of state to your 341 00:23:12,213 --> 00:23:17,093 Speaker 3: reputation got really famous in the media, et cetera. On 342 00:23:17,293 --> 00:23:21,733 Speaker 3: saying one thing, it's pretty difficult to backtrack then and say, well, actually, 343 00:23:22,933 --> 00:23:26,613 Speaker 3: pandemics aren't at big risk to humankind, and you know, 344 00:23:26,653 --> 00:23:29,213 Speaker 3: we have much bigger things to deal with. COVID was 345 00:23:29,613 --> 00:23:32,653 Speaker 3: a huge overreaction. We should have known better, and let's 346 00:23:32,853 --> 00:23:35,573 Speaker 3: do better now that there's not many people doing that. 347 00:23:35,973 --> 00:23:38,573 Speaker 3: Most of the noise among those people is that we 348 00:23:38,613 --> 00:23:44,333 Speaker 3: should have locked down faster and more strongly, which it's 349 00:23:44,413 --> 00:23:47,093 Speaker 3: essentially saying we should destroy the economy more for longer. 350 00:23:47,533 --> 00:23:50,693 Speaker 3: There is no good evidence that lockdowns did anything except 351 00:23:50,813 --> 00:23:55,253 Speaker 3: slightly slow transmission. So it is different perhaps in island states, 352 00:23:55,533 --> 00:23:58,773 Speaker 3: where you know you could keep it out for longer, 353 00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:01,933 Speaker 3: But now you haven't gained over the four years in 354 00:24:02,013 --> 00:24:05,453 Speaker 3: terms of or cause mortality compared to other countries that 355 00:24:05,573 --> 00:24:09,373 Speaker 3: didn't act in that way. So you're better off over 356 00:24:09,413 --> 00:24:13,813 Speaker 3: the four years, and you have an economy now that 357 00:24:14,133 --> 00:24:16,493 Speaker 3: makes you very vulnerable and is going to have a 358 00:24:16,573 --> 00:24:21,533 Speaker 3: huge impact on your ability to manage your nation's health 359 00:24:21,573 --> 00:24:24,613 Speaker 3: in the future. So I think there's not much doubt 360 00:24:24,693 --> 00:24:28,053 Speaker 3: that it was probably a mistake. Even in New Zealand, 361 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:31,613 Speaker 3: where there appeared to be as an island, you could 362 00:24:31,773 --> 00:24:35,413 Speaker 3: keep everyone out and sort of pretended the world didn't exist. 363 00:24:35,573 --> 00:24:38,053 Speaker 3: But did I mention? And you wracked up a lot 364 00:24:38,093 --> 00:24:38,573 Speaker 3: of problems? 365 00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:41,773 Speaker 2: Did I mention? I? No, I didn't, And I don't 366 00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:43,853 Speaker 2: think it was I don't think it was mentioned in 367 00:24:43,893 --> 00:24:47,693 Speaker 2: the last conversation we had when you were here midyear. 368 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:52,053 Speaker 2: But they're still advertising for people to go get the JAB. 369 00:24:52,853 --> 00:24:55,973 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get updated, Get updated, Get updated. The signs 370 00:24:56,013 --> 00:24:56,853 Speaker 2: are out the front of farmer. 371 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:00,693 Speaker 3: They're stood doing it in the US as well, from 372 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:04,773 Speaker 3: six months upwards here, for which there is zero evidence 373 00:25:04,933 --> 00:25:05,573 Speaker 3: of benefit. 374 00:25:07,933 --> 00:25:11,373 Speaker 2: Who who pray tell is responsible for that in the States. 375 00:25:12,013 --> 00:25:16,573 Speaker 3: In the States, it's officially CDC, so they have their 376 00:25:16,613 --> 00:25:20,213 Speaker 3: vaccine schedule for children, and from six months up you're 377 00:25:20,213 --> 00:25:23,413 Speaker 3: expected to get a series of MR and a injection 378 00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:26,573 Speaker 3: which they know will concentrate in the over eas of 379 00:25:26,613 --> 00:25:30,213 Speaker 3: young girls and in the livers and adrenal glands of 380 00:25:30,293 --> 00:25:33,853 Speaker 3: girls and boys, et cetera. And they know that healthy 381 00:25:33,893 --> 00:25:38,773 Speaker 3: boys and girls and infants have almost near zero risk 382 00:25:38,813 --> 00:25:40,973 Speaker 3: of dying of COVID sort of less than one million, 383 00:25:41,173 --> 00:25:43,533 Speaker 3: So that there is no logic to any of this 384 00:25:44,253 --> 00:25:49,053 Speaker 3: except the potential for profit and the sort of around 385 00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:51,733 Speaker 3: that the sort of people who put their reputations want 386 00:25:51,773 --> 00:25:56,373 Speaker 3: to preserve them, et cetera. So there's no public health 387 00:25:57,693 --> 00:26:01,013 Speaker 3: rational public health basis that you can really follow to 388 00:26:01,213 --> 00:26:01,733 Speaker 3: justify this. 389 00:26:02,373 --> 00:26:07,613 Speaker 2: So the mRNA vaccine that accumulates in different parts of 390 00:26:07,813 --> 00:26:12,173 Speaker 2: children's bodies does or can do how much damage. 391 00:26:12,173 --> 00:26:14,773 Speaker 3: We don't know because we don't have long studies on 392 00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:18,053 Speaker 3: this or even decent short term studies, so there's no 393 00:26:19,173 --> 00:26:23,413 Speaker 3: even now there are no ongoing studies that they in adults, 394 00:26:23,453 --> 00:26:27,053 Speaker 3: they after six months they lost the control group, so 395 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:30,213 Speaker 3: we can't compare, but we know the six months for 396 00:26:30,293 --> 00:26:34,213 Speaker 3: the Maderna and Pisa trials there was Maderna there a 397 00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,453 Speaker 3: course mortality was the same in the control group and 398 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:40,573 Speaker 3: the vaccinator group in Maderna. For Pisa there were more 399 00:26:40,613 --> 00:26:43,213 Speaker 3: deaths in the vaccinator group than the control group, so 400 00:26:43,973 --> 00:26:48,253 Speaker 3: it was no effect or negative at six months in adults, 401 00:26:48,653 --> 00:26:51,013 Speaker 3: we don't have good data on any other age group. 402 00:26:51,893 --> 00:26:55,373 Speaker 3: So for each new booster sort of type in in 403 00:26:55,613 --> 00:26:58,373 Speaker 3: the US where they changed to a new variant, they 404 00:26:59,133 --> 00:27:01,613 Speaker 3: tested on I think as eight rats and they see 405 00:27:01,613 --> 00:27:05,253 Speaker 3: if those rats produce antibodies, and they take that as 406 00:27:05,493 --> 00:27:08,933 Speaker 3: the vaccine works, so they don't even have human trials 407 00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:13,253 Speaker 3: on the new versions now, so we have a passive 408 00:27:13,373 --> 00:27:16,893 Speaker 3: and very flawed adverse reporting system of AIRS in the 409 00:27:17,013 --> 00:27:19,733 Speaker 3: US and Australian using and so on have their own. 410 00:27:20,293 --> 00:27:25,853 Speaker 3: They show more high mortality and all severe effects reported 411 00:27:26,413 --> 00:27:32,293 Speaker 3: for associated with the MRI with COVID injections then for 412 00:27:32,453 --> 00:27:36,733 Speaker 3: all other vaccinations combined in the thirty years that FAIRS 413 00:27:36,773 --> 00:27:40,573 Speaker 3: in the US has been running. So that's obviously a 414 00:27:40,653 --> 00:27:44,613 Speaker 3: huge red flag normally, so to go and give that 415 00:27:44,693 --> 00:27:48,653 Speaker 3: sort of thing to infants who like health. Infants don't 416 00:27:48,693 --> 00:27:54,173 Speaker 3: die of COVID almost never. But we know, we don't 417 00:27:54,213 --> 00:27:58,213 Speaker 3: know what if you take, for instance, the accumulation of 418 00:27:58,213 --> 00:28:00,853 Speaker 3: the ovaries. We know, and we knew before they started 419 00:28:00,893 --> 00:28:06,533 Speaker 3: injecting anyone that the lipananoparticles accumulates in the ovaries in 420 00:28:06,533 --> 00:28:10,173 Speaker 3: in rats. It looked at in humans where the humans 421 00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:12,453 Speaker 3: are same, a girl was born with a certain number 422 00:28:12,493 --> 00:28:16,053 Speaker 3: of over so that that determines the length of their 423 00:28:16,093 --> 00:28:19,733 Speaker 3: fertility period when they're an adult. So the way the 424 00:28:19,813 --> 00:28:23,173 Speaker 3: m marina vaccines work, their marinae goes into a cell 425 00:28:23,253 --> 00:28:25,093 Speaker 3: and it lasts quite a long time because it's not 426 00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:28,213 Speaker 3: normal m RNA. It's modified one of their bases is 427 00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:30,933 Speaker 3: modified to make it last much longer. So the story 428 00:28:30,933 --> 00:28:33,893 Speaker 3: about it mRNA lasts only a few days in the cell, 429 00:28:34,453 --> 00:28:36,973 Speaker 3: it's true. But this isn't that sort of m RNA. 430 00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:41,733 Speaker 3: It's a modified The US bas is modified and makes it. 431 00:28:41,813 --> 00:28:43,453 Speaker 3: They did that to make it stay in the cell 432 00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:45,493 Speaker 3: much longer and produce much more protein. 433 00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:48,653 Speaker 2: And that's right, that's right, that's right, from the beginning 434 00:28:48,733 --> 00:28:51,813 Speaker 2: of US, from the beginning right back to how they 435 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:52,853 Speaker 2: decided it and they knew it. 436 00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:58,333 Speaker 3: So yeah, yes, So it it goes to the cell, 437 00:28:58,453 --> 00:29:01,613 Speaker 3: it causes the machine of the cell to produce a 438 00:29:01,653 --> 00:29:05,613 Speaker 3: toxic protein, spike protein that the body recognizes as a 439 00:29:05,653 --> 00:29:10,373 Speaker 3: foreign protein. So it's to emulates an immune response against 440 00:29:10,413 --> 00:29:12,733 Speaker 3: a protein which is expressed on that cell. So it 441 00:29:12,773 --> 00:29:15,693 Speaker 3: will kill that cell as well, and it will cause 442 00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:18,253 Speaker 3: some local inflammation, which is what happens when you get 443 00:29:18,253 --> 00:29:22,733 Speaker 3: cell death. So if it concentrates in the ovaries, you'll 444 00:29:22,773 --> 00:29:26,493 Speaker 3: get some local inflammation in the ovaries and some cell 445 00:29:26,573 --> 00:29:28,293 Speaker 3: death in the ovaries. If it's in the liver of 446 00:29:28,373 --> 00:29:33,173 Speaker 3: the same et cetera. That's how it works. So it's 447 00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:35,973 Speaker 3: not an unreasonable assumption that you will lose some over 448 00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:39,173 Speaker 3: during that period and you'll have a shorter fertility period 449 00:29:39,213 --> 00:29:42,653 Speaker 3: as an adult. We don't know that, but it's not 450 00:29:42,693 --> 00:29:47,573 Speaker 3: an unreasonable assumption. We will find out in twenty or 451 00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:50,013 Speaker 3: thirty years time when the little girls who have been 452 00:29:50,053 --> 00:29:53,733 Speaker 3: just been vaccinated now go into menopause and will see 453 00:29:53,773 --> 00:29:58,493 Speaker 3: how long they had the fertility period. Yet they're still 454 00:29:58,533 --> 00:30:04,013 Speaker 3: being injected in this situation, and although they are not 455 00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:08,053 Speaker 3: any silyperous of COVID, they've all got everyone by now 456 00:30:08,093 --> 00:30:11,573 Speaker 3: has take COVID and has a pretty good immunity. And 457 00:30:12,253 --> 00:30:15,893 Speaker 3: the CDC did studies that compared directly, you know, did 458 00:30:15,933 --> 00:30:19,773 Speaker 3: you go into hospital did you die just after post 459 00:30:19,813 --> 00:30:22,853 Speaker 3: infection immunity? And you know when you get another infection, 460 00:30:23,053 --> 00:30:25,093 Speaker 3: or if you have vaccinate and you get an infection, 461 00:30:25,973 --> 00:30:29,493 Speaker 3: and there's you're slightly better off with natural immunity than 462 00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:32,693 Speaker 3: the vaccine, and the vaccine on top of natural immunity 463 00:30:32,813 --> 00:30:36,813 Speaker 3: makes almost no discernible difference. So we have all the 464 00:30:36,893 --> 00:30:41,653 Speaker 3: data that says if you've had an infection, you're highly 465 00:30:41,773 --> 00:30:45,213 Speaker 3: unlikely to get severely or and the vaccine won't help 466 00:30:45,413 --> 00:30:49,133 Speaker 3: significantly at all. This is a situation with everyone now. 467 00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:53,373 Speaker 3: So this is CDC data. It's published. The data on 468 00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:58,573 Speaker 3: the biodistribution going to the ovaries, et cetera is published 469 00:30:58,573 --> 00:31:03,213 Speaker 3: by phiz and Biointech and was with the regulatory agencies 470 00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:06,333 Speaker 3: when they have proved the vaccines. Now they also had 471 00:31:06,573 --> 00:31:11,453 Speaker 3: data from rats on an increase in fetal animality. It's 472 00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,613 Speaker 3: very significant increase compared to the control group in that 473 00:31:14,653 --> 00:31:18,013 Speaker 3: same experiment. Yet they recommend it for pregnant women. So 474 00:31:18,613 --> 00:31:21,493 Speaker 3: we've been through this period that is actually hard to 475 00:31:21,573 --> 00:31:26,053 Speaker 3: grasp as a public health physician in terms of, you know, 476 00:31:27,173 --> 00:31:31,573 Speaker 3: the recklessness with which this was imposed on particularly is 477 00:31:31,853 --> 00:31:35,653 Speaker 3: very vulnerable groups. Pregnant women and young children are usually 478 00:31:36,093 --> 00:31:38,733 Speaker 3: the very last ones to be injected with a new 479 00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:42,373 Speaker 3: drug and only after years of experience and then very 480 00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:47,533 Speaker 3: careful studies. So none of that happened normally with genetic 481 00:31:47,853 --> 00:31:50,453 Speaker 3: therapeutic which is what these are and what they were 482 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:54,573 Speaker 3: classified as Bymadena. You have to do carstinogenicity studies to 483 00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:58,253 Speaker 3: see if it courses cancer. You have to do terratogenicity studies, 484 00:31:58,253 --> 00:31:59,773 Speaker 3: which is what they did in the rats, but you 485 00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:01,533 Speaker 3: need to watch that in humans as well to see 486 00:32:01,573 --> 00:32:05,533 Speaker 3: they fall cause fetal animalities. You have to do that 487 00:32:05,573 --> 00:32:08,853 Speaker 3: with a genetic therapeutic, which is what these are, you 488 00:32:08,893 --> 00:32:11,493 Speaker 3: don't have to do it with a vaccine. So when 489 00:32:11,533 --> 00:32:14,053 Speaker 3: they change the name to vaccine, they did away with 490 00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:16,213 Speaker 3: all the stuff that you have to do for this 491 00:32:16,293 --> 00:32:21,533 Speaker 3: sort of class of pharmaceutical and this is acknowledged in 492 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:27,773 Speaker 3: the TTA report from Australia, the Australian regulatory agency of 493 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:30,933 Speaker 3: the Therapeutic Goods Administration. They acknowledged this in the report 494 00:32:30,973 --> 00:32:32,693 Speaker 3: that the name change means that they didn't need to 495 00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:38,213 Speaker 3: do this. So you can imagine if you had an 496 00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:41,613 Speaker 3: existential threat from sort of airborne a bowler which is 497 00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:44,013 Speaker 3: never going to happen, never happened in human history, et cetera. 498 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:46,973 Speaker 3: But it's in the movies that you might take these 499 00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:51,053 Speaker 3: sorts of risks. But it makes no sense for a 500 00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:54,413 Speaker 3: virus that is associated with death on average in Europe 501 00:32:54,613 --> 00:32:57,013 Speaker 3: at the age of about eighty to eighty three, and 502 00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:59,653 Speaker 3: those people are the sick ones at that age, not 503 00:32:59,693 --> 00:33:03,173 Speaker 3: the well ones. And that's what we faced with COVID. 504 00:33:03,213 --> 00:33:05,253 Speaker 3: That's what we knew were facing with COVID from the 505 00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,213 Speaker 3: first quarter of twenty twenty and is published in Land. 506 00:33:09,093 --> 00:33:11,933 Speaker 3: So that is what we're dealing with that is what happened. 507 00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:14,933 Speaker 3: I think that has got a lot to do with 508 00:33:15,133 --> 00:33:18,613 Speaker 3: why we keep seeing this push and keep seeing this pushed, 509 00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:21,453 Speaker 3: rather than people sitting back and saying, this is what 510 00:33:21,493 --> 00:33:24,773 Speaker 3: we actually did, because it's a big thing to admit. 511 00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:30,693 Speaker 2: Well, let me cut to this paragraph. Knowing fully the 512 00:33:30,733 --> 00:33:32,693 Speaker 2: impact of their actions and you've said a couple of 513 00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:34,613 Speaker 2: times now they knew what they would, they knew what 514 00:33:34,653 --> 00:33:36,893 Speaker 2: they were doing, and they knew what they were causing. 515 00:33:37,373 --> 00:33:40,933 Speaker 2: Knowing fully the impact of their actions, who helped force 516 00:33:41,013 --> 00:33:45,373 Speaker 2: over one hundred million additional people into severe food insecurity 517 00:33:45,413 --> 00:33:50,133 Speaker 2: and poverty, up to ten million additional girls into child marriage. 518 00:33:50,173 --> 00:33:52,733 Speaker 2: And when you mentioned this before, I don't think you 519 00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:55,253 Speaker 2: mentioned sexual slavery. 520 00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:58,973 Speaker 3: Well, that's what charm marriage is. Yeah, well, yeah, it's 521 00:33:59,013 --> 00:34:03,933 Speaker 3: sexual sorer rate, etcetera. So that you know, you take 522 00:34:03,973 --> 00:34:06,893 Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl a new stick with an 523 00:34:06,893 --> 00:34:09,733 Speaker 3: old man. That's what you're doing, isn't it. Where does 524 00:34:09,773 --> 00:34:10,373 Speaker 3: the figure though? 525 00:34:10,533 --> 00:34:15,173 Speaker 2: People? You know, anybody who was being interrogative would say 526 00:34:15,213 --> 00:34:17,493 Speaker 2: to you, where do you get the figure of ten 527 00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:19,373 Speaker 2: million pucked out of the. 528 00:34:19,253 --> 00:34:23,693 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's from UNICF. That's from UNICF, The United Nations 529 00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:30,333 Speaker 3: Children educational finish whatever. The official UN Agency for Children. 530 00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:35,853 Speaker 3: What are you use suggesting that they're trust So that's published. No, 531 00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:40,693 Speaker 3: But they are like other agencies. They have a mix 532 00:34:40,733 --> 00:34:43,733 Speaker 3: of people. They put out some as did WHO, some 533 00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:47,693 Speaker 3: early on, some very good data and modeling and so 534 00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:52,413 Speaker 3: on the likely harms of this intervention. So you have 535 00:34:52,453 --> 00:34:56,173 Speaker 3: to remember that in twenty nineteen, late twenty nineteen, about 536 00:34:56,213 --> 00:35:01,933 Speaker 3: October November, WHO put out their pandemic influenza recommendations, which 537 00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:09,413 Speaker 3: essentially say, don't do this under no circumstances, closed borders, 538 00:35:10,373 --> 00:35:14,853 Speaker 3: do this sort of mass tests and trace et cetera. 539 00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:18,613 Speaker 3: So or you know the big features of COVID, and 540 00:35:18,853 --> 00:35:21,053 Speaker 3: they point out that if you put people out of 541 00:35:21,093 --> 00:35:24,173 Speaker 3: work for seven to ten days, you're likely to start 542 00:35:24,213 --> 00:35:29,813 Speaker 3: seeing overall negative outcomes, particularly in low income people because 543 00:35:29,853 --> 00:35:32,653 Speaker 3: of the the harm to the economy and their income, etcetera. 544 00:35:32,733 --> 00:35:35,213 Speaker 3: So UNISEF also, you know they put out at the 545 00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:39,573 Speaker 3: end of or in early twenty twenty one estimates that 546 00:35:40,053 --> 00:35:42,413 Speaker 3: were almost a quarter of million dead children just from 547 00:35:42,493 --> 00:35:46,733 Speaker 3: lockdowns in South Asia, so India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, et cetera. 548 00:35:46,893 --> 00:35:51,013 Speaker 3: Six countries, almost a quarter million children. There are almost 549 00:35:51,053 --> 00:35:53,813 Speaker 3: no children are dying from COVID that the World Bank 550 00:35:53,973 --> 00:35:59,333 Speaker 3: put out estimates in low income countries, for every person 551 00:35:59,373 --> 00:36:03,253 Speaker 3: that was saved by lockdowns, probably about two people died. 552 00:36:03,373 --> 00:36:07,093 Speaker 3: One point seven to two people died. It's the World Bank, 553 00:36:07,733 --> 00:36:11,373 Speaker 3: which is the same organization pushing the whole thing. So 554 00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:16,013 Speaker 3: these organizations are not that. They're large organizations and they 555 00:36:16,053 --> 00:36:18,573 Speaker 3: have some people in them who are trying to work 556 00:36:18,613 --> 00:36:25,893 Speaker 3: against the tide and actually get sensible data out. And sorry, no, 557 00:36:25,973 --> 00:36:27,333 Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I mean, it's not 558 00:36:27,813 --> 00:36:30,893 Speaker 3: made up. These are some say ten million girls. That's 559 00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:35,333 Speaker 3: because if you close schools and you're impoverished families, particularly 560 00:36:35,373 --> 00:36:39,173 Speaker 3: in South Asia, subs are in Africa and South America, 561 00:36:39,573 --> 00:36:42,213 Speaker 3: then we know that a lot of girls will come 562 00:36:42,253 --> 00:36:45,013 Speaker 3: out of school and they will be married off for 563 00:36:45,133 --> 00:36:48,533 Speaker 3: various reasons including the family doesn't feel that they can 564 00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:53,333 Speaker 3: afford to keep them anymore. And so this is what happens. 565 00:36:53,373 --> 00:36:57,013 Speaker 3: This is well recognized. You know, there are organizations like 566 00:36:57,373 --> 00:37:02,053 Speaker 3: There's a Child Not Bride that pre COVID that were 567 00:37:02,213 --> 00:37:06,533 Speaker 3: quite prominent in trying to reduce child marriage and noting 568 00:37:06,573 --> 00:37:11,173 Speaker 3: that poverty and is a big driver and keeping kids 569 00:37:11,213 --> 00:37:14,613 Speaker 3: in school is a big way of stopping it. We 570 00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:18,853 Speaker 3: heard nothing from them, so these figures aren't And this 571 00:37:18,893 --> 00:37:22,653 Speaker 3: is where I say, you know, this wasn't unexpected. It 572 00:37:22,733 --> 00:37:25,853 Speaker 3: was known that this sort of response would have these 573 00:37:25,893 --> 00:37:29,413 Speaker 3: sorts of outcomes, so it was intentional. Then the response 574 00:37:29,493 --> 00:37:32,693 Speaker 3: was intentional, and they knew that it would have this 575 00:37:33,213 --> 00:37:36,933 Speaker 3: collateral damage and they knew that the disease they were 576 00:37:36,933 --> 00:37:39,933 Speaker 3: doing it for, so in Sub Saharan Africa would kill 577 00:37:40,053 --> 00:37:43,253 Speaker 3: very very few people because half the population there is 578 00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:48,693 Speaker 3: under twenty. They're essentially children, and only about one less 579 00:37:48,693 --> 00:37:51,213 Speaker 3: than one percent of populations over seventy five, which is 580 00:37:51,293 --> 00:37:55,333 Speaker 3: the high risk of COVID. So yeah, so it was 581 00:37:55,413 --> 00:37:58,773 Speaker 3: intentional to do these lockdowns. 582 00:37:59,133 --> 00:38:04,013 Speaker 2: What would you say was the morality level of the 583 00:38:04,093 --> 00:38:09,253 Speaker 2: people who you're discussing And you can stretched wider than 584 00:38:09,253 --> 00:38:14,093 Speaker 2: that in the field, but that they know what's going 585 00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:17,093 Speaker 2: to happen, they know what they're doing, but they do 586 00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:21,453 Speaker 2: it anyway. Where is the morality level there or is 587 00:38:21,453 --> 00:38:26,773 Speaker 2: there not? Doesn't seem very high. 588 00:38:25,813 --> 00:38:29,373 Speaker 3: So we can all do this, I mean, we can 589 00:38:29,453 --> 00:38:33,773 Speaker 3: all talk ourselves into we can convince ourselves if we 590 00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:39,493 Speaker 3: really try, that something that is bad is necessary or good. 591 00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:41,853 Speaker 3: And you know, Unfortunately, we have to do this because 592 00:38:41,893 --> 00:38:45,693 Speaker 3: and you can pretend that the virus is an existential threat. 593 00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:47,373 Speaker 3: And it's pretty easy to do that because you sort 594 00:38:47,373 --> 00:38:49,533 Speaker 3: of get on board with your colleagues and you see 595 00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:52,093 Speaker 3: each other up and here we are saving the words 596 00:38:52,093 --> 00:38:55,693 Speaker 3: from a deadly virus as we kept hearing, you know, 597 00:38:56,133 --> 00:38:59,173 Speaker 3: twenty four to seven and all that stuff. So you 598 00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:03,253 Speaker 3: just you can get yourself into this mindset, particularly in groups, 599 00:39:04,373 --> 00:39:06,893 Speaker 3: where you can then convince yourself as a group that 600 00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:10,253 Speaker 3: you know there's going to be some damage, but you're 601 00:39:10,293 --> 00:39:14,493 Speaker 3: saving the world. And if you stop and you sit 602 00:39:14,573 --> 00:39:16,813 Speaker 3: on a mountain and you stop and you think carefully 603 00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:20,133 Speaker 3: through it, you realize that this is rubbish. But as 604 00:39:20,173 --> 00:39:21,933 Speaker 3: long as you stay in the group and you keep 605 00:39:21,973 --> 00:39:25,133 Speaker 3: seeing each other along, then I think you can sort 606 00:39:25,133 --> 00:39:29,173 Speaker 3: of do this. And so you know, it's how crowds work. 607 00:39:29,253 --> 00:39:32,733 Speaker 2: And well, I'm not trying to go down I'm not 608 00:39:32,773 --> 00:39:36,213 Speaker 2: trying to go down a conspiracy path. But considering that 609 00:39:36,253 --> 00:39:41,133 Speaker 2: there are people involved at the very top of the 610 00:39:41,173 --> 00:39:45,053 Speaker 2: money making tree that this is who believe that the 611 00:39:45,093 --> 00:39:49,493 Speaker 2: world is overpopulated, but they have contributed greatly to this scenario. 612 00:39:50,093 --> 00:39:53,573 Speaker 2: The negative side of it is there any natural conclusion 613 00:39:53,973 --> 00:39:56,693 Speaker 2: or possible natural conclusion we can come to over that. 614 00:39:57,813 --> 00:40:00,133 Speaker 3: Well, you could draw that, But if you're trying to 615 00:40:00,253 --> 00:40:03,653 Speaker 3: kill people, I think there's better ways of doing it. 616 00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:05,973 Speaker 3: If if you're you know, another effect of this is 617 00:40:06,013 --> 00:40:12,573 Speaker 3: that there's a big action in reproductive health. So there's 618 00:40:12,893 --> 00:40:15,653 Speaker 3: an increase in birth rate in Sub Saharan Africa as well. 619 00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:18,933 Speaker 3: So this isn't going to reduce the world's population overall. 620 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:23,813 Speaker 3: Is probably going to increase it because poverty tends to 621 00:40:23,933 --> 00:40:27,613 Speaker 3: lead to more children born as a sort of insurance policy, 622 00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:31,693 Speaker 3: and so because you can't access contraception, et cetera. So 623 00:40:32,213 --> 00:40:35,213 Speaker 3: I don't think this will reduce the world's population. I 624 00:40:35,253 --> 00:40:39,173 Speaker 3: think it will make it much much poorer. But hold, 625 00:40:39,253 --> 00:40:41,493 Speaker 3: I mean there is a conspiracy, of course there is. 626 00:40:41,493 --> 00:40:47,293 Speaker 3: Any conspiracy is some people getting together and making a 627 00:40:47,333 --> 00:40:50,493 Speaker 3: plan and not telling other people about it. That's what 628 00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:55,053 Speaker 3: a conspiracy is, and that's that's how you do business. 629 00:40:55,213 --> 00:40:58,573 Speaker 3: If you're running a company, if you're running Pisa or something, 630 00:40:59,213 --> 00:41:02,693 Speaker 3: and you come up with a few other companies a 631 00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:05,933 Speaker 3: way of making selling a lot of stuff, which is 632 00:41:05,973 --> 00:41:09,253 Speaker 3: your job as CEO, and making a lot of money 633 00:41:09,253 --> 00:41:11,973 Speaker 3: out of it for your investors and shareholders. You're not 634 00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:14,613 Speaker 3: going to go and tell everyone, Okay, we're going to 635 00:41:14,613 --> 00:41:16,533 Speaker 3: do this because we want to make lots of money. 636 00:41:16,573 --> 00:41:18,333 Speaker 3: We want to make hundreds of billions of dollars from 637 00:41:18,373 --> 00:41:21,693 Speaker 3: silling a vacci you say we're saving the world. So 638 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:25,813 Speaker 3: of course there's a conspiracy in that there is people 639 00:41:25,933 --> 00:41:28,533 Speaker 3: trying to make lots of money out of global health 640 00:41:29,173 --> 00:41:32,653 Speaker 3: and they're not telling everyone exactly what. They're not putting 641 00:41:32,733 --> 00:41:35,813 Speaker 3: it in those words. They're not telling everyone they're there 642 00:41:35,853 --> 00:41:38,293 Speaker 3: to make money. And for the shareholders, they're telling everyone 643 00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:41,813 Speaker 3: they're trying to save us. So but they are trying 644 00:41:41,813 --> 00:41:44,453 Speaker 3: to make money. That's a job. So it's a conspiracy 645 00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:46,933 Speaker 3: because they're running a business. That's say, run a business, 646 00:41:47,373 --> 00:41:50,893 Speaker 3: you have plans that you don't fully divulge to others, 647 00:41:50,933 --> 00:41:54,173 Speaker 3: to the world. So I think you can explain this 648 00:41:54,613 --> 00:42:00,453 Speaker 3: as a huge sort of business case that was completely 649 00:42:00,493 --> 00:42:06,213 Speaker 3: devoid of morals and any breaks on conflict of interest, 650 00:42:06,293 --> 00:42:11,213 Speaker 3: et cetera, and was facility hated by these large agencies 651 00:42:11,213 --> 00:42:15,373 Speaker 3: that have become dependent on these same private entities. So 652 00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:18,693 Speaker 3: of course there are people who people among these who 653 00:42:19,133 --> 00:42:21,613 Speaker 3: want to have less people in the world and in 654 00:42:21,653 --> 00:42:23,613 Speaker 3: a way I can sort of understand that. Wouldn't it 655 00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:25,653 Speaker 3: be nice to go to the beaches not crowded. Wouldn't 656 00:42:25,693 --> 00:42:27,413 Speaker 3: be nice not to have traffic jams every time you 657 00:42:27,453 --> 00:42:30,773 Speaker 3: go to work. Great, you know, more green fields, et cetera. 658 00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:33,453 Speaker 3: So that's a nice thing. But it's also nice to 659 00:42:33,493 --> 00:42:36,973 Speaker 3: have humans. And here we are, We got eight billion humans, 660 00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:42,253 Speaker 3: and humans are great. So you know, people can say 661 00:42:42,333 --> 00:42:44,413 Speaker 3: to you they'd like to have less people in the world, 662 00:42:44,773 --> 00:42:48,133 Speaker 3: and that's not a bad thing in itself to say, 663 00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:50,973 Speaker 3: as long as they're not saying and therefore we want 664 00:42:51,013 --> 00:42:54,013 Speaker 3: to kill lots of other people to get there. And 665 00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:56,613 Speaker 3: I think if you want to do that, you would 666 00:42:56,613 --> 00:43:00,293 Speaker 3: have a better virus than salas Kobe two, and you 667 00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:06,333 Speaker 3: would probably go further along the path of toxic responses 668 00:43:06,373 --> 00:43:08,973 Speaker 3: to it. So I don't think that that was the 669 00:43:09,013 --> 00:43:12,933 Speaker 3: primary driver at all. I think it was more making 670 00:43:12,973 --> 00:43:14,693 Speaker 3: a lot of money, and there are some other things 671 00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:17,413 Speaker 3: in the background. There is a push for things like 672 00:43:17,493 --> 00:43:21,453 Speaker 3: central bank digital currency, which is not I mean, there's 673 00:43:21,453 --> 00:43:24,453 Speaker 3: not a conspiracy there the central banks and someone say 674 00:43:24,453 --> 00:43:27,013 Speaker 3: they want this. A bank of interudicial sentiments says it 675 00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:30,493 Speaker 3: wants this cast and has talked about their head. To 676 00:43:30,573 --> 00:43:35,293 Speaker 3: do that, you need people ideally to be poorer and 677 00:43:35,373 --> 00:43:40,693 Speaker 3: to be more dependent on government and to have you know, 678 00:43:41,293 --> 00:43:46,373 Speaker 3: digital ideas and digital transactions that you can then use 679 00:43:47,053 --> 00:43:52,493 Speaker 3: to sort of control their lives their lives and oh, 680 00:43:52,533 --> 00:43:55,733 Speaker 3: you know, that's that's what they say. They want central 681 00:43:55,773 --> 00:43:58,773 Speaker 3: bank digital currency for it will allow you to control 682 00:43:59,173 --> 00:44:02,213 Speaker 3: how much people travel, how what they eat, where they go, 683 00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:04,373 Speaker 3: who they meet. So I think there are a lot 684 00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:07,093 Speaker 3: of people who don't just want money, they want this 685 00:44:07,253 --> 00:44:12,373 Speaker 3: sort of fascist eight globally. And that's always been the 686 00:44:12,413 --> 00:44:16,413 Speaker 3: case in human existence, is why would it go away? 687 00:44:17,293 --> 00:44:21,733 Speaker 3: And COVID was and this whole pandemic agenda is a 688 00:44:21,813 --> 00:44:24,533 Speaker 3: huge opportunity to do that because it provides the fear 689 00:44:25,253 --> 00:44:28,253 Speaker 3: that you need to make people do things that they 690 00:44:28,293 --> 00:44:32,253 Speaker 3: wouldn't normally do. So in the nineteen eighties in Australia 691 00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:36,693 Speaker 3: they tried to bring in a digital National Idea just 692 00:44:36,813 --> 00:44:39,533 Speaker 3: National Idea card, and there was a huge outcry and 693 00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:42,693 Speaker 3: it's just killed the whole idea. They're doing it now 694 00:44:43,133 --> 00:44:47,493 Speaker 3: and no one blinks because they've managed to get people's 695 00:44:47,533 --> 00:44:50,133 Speaker 3: mindset to think that the government is saving them from 696 00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:55,813 Speaker 3: existential crises. Whether it's it's pandemics, or it's a climate crisis, 697 00:44:55,893 --> 00:45:01,093 Speaker 3: or its terrorism, whatever, And they need to allow the 698 00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:03,893 Speaker 3: government to know where they are and where they're spending 699 00:45:03,933 --> 00:45:05,973 Speaker 3: their money and what they're doing all the time so 700 00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:08,733 Speaker 3: that they can be kept safe from all these things. 701 00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:13,013 Speaker 3: And I think that is somewhat deliberate, or is quite deliberate, 702 00:45:13,493 --> 00:45:16,373 Speaker 3: because people want to do that in order to have 703 00:45:16,453 --> 00:45:20,093 Speaker 3: control over others and even further concentrate wealth, etc. And 704 00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:23,853 Speaker 3: it's a sort of feudalism. That's the normal way that 705 00:45:23,973 --> 00:45:28,413 Speaker 3: human society works, unless you constantly fight against it. The 706 00:45:28,533 --> 00:45:30,133 Speaker 3: word you can wait for him. This is what they 707 00:45:30,173 --> 00:45:33,733 Speaker 3: talk about essentially with their great reset is essentially a 708 00:45:33,853 --> 00:45:36,613 Speaker 3: stakeholder capitalism is essentially feudalism. 709 00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:41,293 Speaker 2: Well, we said we would revert to the American election 710 00:45:41,493 --> 00:45:44,693 Speaker 2: briefly at least, and that would appear to be the 711 00:45:44,733 --> 00:45:47,293 Speaker 2: right time to do it, considering you were just talking 712 00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:53,373 Speaker 2: of the CBDC, and let's throw into the mix the 713 00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:55,893 Speaker 2: fact that Trump has made it very clear that he 714 00:45:55,973 --> 00:45:58,573 Speaker 2: will ban it and will not allow it while he 715 00:45:58,733 --> 00:46:01,893 Speaker 2: is in any position to stop it. What comment would 716 00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:02,533 Speaker 2: you make on that. 717 00:46:03,573 --> 00:46:04,333 Speaker 3: I think it's great. 718 00:46:05,613 --> 00:46:09,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, not only not any great, fantastically. 719 00:46:09,893 --> 00:46:14,533 Speaker 3: I mean it's it doesn't solve the problem completely. Obviously, 720 00:46:15,253 --> 00:46:18,453 Speaker 3: they essentially did what you want to do with CBDC. 721 00:46:18,613 --> 00:46:23,733 Speaker 3: They did that for instance in Canada during the Truckees effort, 722 00:46:23,813 --> 00:46:26,173 Speaker 3: and they you know that they people just had their 723 00:46:26,173 --> 00:46:28,773 Speaker 3: bank accounts closed. And so it turns out Millennia Trump 724 00:46:28,813 --> 00:46:32,293 Speaker 3: had a bank account closed in twenty twenty. Yep, so 725 00:46:32,413 --> 00:46:36,333 Speaker 3: did Baron Trump. I mean, what on earth? So that 726 00:46:36,413 --> 00:46:40,213 Speaker 3: they're already trying to make it hard to live financially 727 00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:45,173 Speaker 3: for people, but we don't need CBDC. There's a great 728 00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:49,493 Speaker 3: short video out probably not on YouTube but on other channels. 729 00:46:49,493 --> 00:46:57,293 Speaker 3: So it's the Minneapolis Fed Federal Reserve chairman talking about this, 730 00:46:57,453 --> 00:47:03,293 Speaker 3: saying like, why on earth would Americans want this? We 731 00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:06,373 Speaker 3: manage perfectly fine where their finances. Now, why do you 732 00:47:06,453 --> 00:47:09,973 Speaker 3: want the government to be to control everything you do? 733 00:47:10,413 --> 00:47:14,733 Speaker 3: It makes no sense from a public viewpoint. We don't. 734 00:47:14,813 --> 00:47:18,093 Speaker 3: It's not saving us from anything, it's just imposing more 735 00:47:18,533 --> 00:47:20,893 Speaker 3: more control over us. So why would anyone? 736 00:47:21,893 --> 00:47:27,093 Speaker 2: So who was that? You said, Indianapolis? It's a Minianapolis 737 00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:28,373 Speaker 2: Reserve bank. 738 00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:31,773 Speaker 3: Reserve bank. Yeah, So it's floating around on the internet. 739 00:47:31,773 --> 00:47:35,053 Speaker 3: It's in a few times. It's a good video. He's 740 00:47:35,093 --> 00:47:38,093 Speaker 3: just arguing, sensibly saying, why would people you know, you 741 00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:42,213 Speaker 3: can't well population, you want this imposed on you. 742 00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:45,773 Speaker 2: Well, the answer, the answer is, of course you can 743 00:47:45,813 --> 00:47:48,253 Speaker 2: make something like that, and they and they do make 744 00:47:48,293 --> 00:47:51,373 Speaker 2: it appealing because you don't have to I mean, the 745 00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:53,773 Speaker 2: next the next thing would be that you'll have a 746 00:47:53,853 --> 00:47:57,413 Speaker 2: chip in your hand that will happen one day. Yeah, 747 00:47:58,493 --> 00:48:01,093 Speaker 2: so you don't need to never lose your keys, you never, 748 00:48:01,213 --> 00:48:04,613 Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about anything and just carry 749 00:48:04,613 --> 00:48:06,173 Speaker 2: on and life's easy to go. 750 00:48:06,173 --> 00:48:09,733 Speaker 3: To the supermarket. You just wave here, hand over the 751 00:48:09,773 --> 00:48:11,093 Speaker 3: reader and there you go. 752 00:48:11,493 --> 00:48:16,093 Speaker 2: Well, who wouldn't who wouldn't wanted them? And my response 753 00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:19,773 Speaker 2: immediately is look at the look at the change in 754 00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:24,653 Speaker 2: that election we've just well just mentioned of. I only 755 00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:30,053 Speaker 2: heard this morning that there was a swing of eleven 756 00:48:30,173 --> 00:48:34,213 Speaker 2: points for women under thirty to Trump. 757 00:48:35,013 --> 00:48:38,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, young people very strongly voted and now swung in 758 00:48:38,773 --> 00:48:41,373 Speaker 3: that direction, which is really interesting actually and not I 759 00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:45,573 Speaker 3: think what the other side expected. So well, the only 760 00:48:46,493 --> 00:48:50,253 Speaker 3: shift in African Americans, a shift in Latino voters, et cetera. 761 00:48:50,413 --> 00:48:53,533 Speaker 3: Because you know, it's it's been an interesting time in 762 00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:56,693 Speaker 3: the US. I'm very surprised actually there. I come for 763 00:48:56,733 --> 00:49:01,413 Speaker 3: a number of reasons. But like many people, I thought 764 00:49:01,413 --> 00:49:04,813 Speaker 3: Trump was terrible the first time he was elected because 765 00:49:04,893 --> 00:49:07,973 Speaker 3: I listened to the media, and the media had nothing good. 766 00:49:08,013 --> 00:49:10,973 Speaker 3: What's over to say about this person? If you spend 767 00:49:10,973 --> 00:49:14,893 Speaker 3: the time and you listen to one two three hour 768 00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:18,693 Speaker 3: long long form interviews with him, then you get a 769 00:49:18,813 --> 00:49:22,453 Speaker 3: very different picture of who this person is. And you know, 770 00:49:22,693 --> 00:49:25,213 Speaker 3: I don't know why the media is so against him, 771 00:49:25,693 --> 00:49:28,653 Speaker 3: but if there's someone like that, is that important you 772 00:49:28,693 --> 00:49:31,333 Speaker 3: should sit down and actually make up your own minds 773 00:49:31,773 --> 00:49:34,533 Speaker 3: and not have your mind made up by someone else. 774 00:49:35,093 --> 00:49:37,613 Speaker 2: And well, it's called it's called group thinkers, you know, 775 00:49:38,053 --> 00:49:40,813 Speaker 2: and it has quite a history now. 776 00:49:41,693 --> 00:49:45,053 Speaker 3: But it's worse than that. This is propaganda, isn't it. 777 00:49:45,053 --> 00:49:47,893 Speaker 3: It's I mean, we were told constant that this person 778 00:49:48,133 --> 00:49:57,013 Speaker 3: was far right, racist, misogynists, whatever. But if you any 779 00:49:57,373 --> 00:50:00,693 Speaker 3: anti abortion, anti this, and anti that, and if you 780 00:50:00,853 --> 00:50:04,933 Speaker 3: listen to him, you've actually got pretty rational approaches to 781 00:50:05,013 --> 00:50:08,973 Speaker 3: these issues, but they almost never get reported in the media. 782 00:50:09,893 --> 00:50:12,533 Speaker 3: And he's someone who talks off the cuff a lot, 783 00:50:12,613 --> 00:50:16,973 Speaker 3: which is dangerous but for a politician, but is also 784 00:50:17,093 --> 00:50:20,413 Speaker 3: somewhat refreshing. We're so used to people just having teleprompters 785 00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:23,053 Speaker 3: and so on, or saying what their focus group told 786 00:50:23,093 --> 00:50:27,173 Speaker 3: them to say. So sometimes he says things in a 787 00:50:27,213 --> 00:50:28,973 Speaker 3: way that you sort of think, oh, no, why do 788 00:50:28,973 --> 00:50:31,573 Speaker 3: you say that way? Because people take it the wrong way. 789 00:50:31,613 --> 00:50:35,573 Speaker 3: But if you put it in the context of a 790 00:50:35,613 --> 00:50:38,853 Speaker 3: half hour hour long interview, then it starts to make sense. 791 00:50:38,973 --> 00:50:42,733 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people saw this because people, 792 00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:46,373 Speaker 3: and probably much more than news in but the US 793 00:50:46,413 --> 00:50:51,653 Speaker 3: populace has turned massively away from mainstream media, and so 794 00:50:51,733 --> 00:50:53,733 Speaker 3: that people listen to podcasts. I will listen to the 795 00:50:53,773 --> 00:50:57,933 Speaker 3: podcast with Joe Rogan or with Tucker Carlson or something, 796 00:50:57,973 --> 00:51:01,413 Speaker 3: and they'll hear a Trump or a putt In or 797 00:51:01,813 --> 00:51:05,373 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, if you'll do it or etc. Talk for 798 00:51:05,413 --> 00:51:09,813 Speaker 3: a long time, and you can start to get an 799 00:51:09,813 --> 00:51:12,773 Speaker 3: idea of what they're really thinking, whereas you can't do 800 00:51:12,893 --> 00:51:16,853 Speaker 3: that by a journalist who is and you know, there's 801 00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:20,973 Speaker 3: about ninety seven percent of US journalists are on one 802 00:51:20,973 --> 00:51:23,173 Speaker 3: side of politics and three percent on the other. When 803 00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:27,053 Speaker 3: they pull them and journalists openly say now that their 804 00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:32,173 Speaker 3: job is advocacy, not reporting the news. So that they 805 00:51:32,253 --> 00:51:35,773 Speaker 3: see their job as trying to turn the country into 806 00:51:35,813 --> 00:51:38,333 Speaker 3: what they consider as a better place. So the propagandas 807 00:51:39,493 --> 00:51:41,933 Speaker 3: so most of what we get now on mainstream media 808 00:51:42,053 --> 00:51:45,693 Speaker 3: in the US is propaganda and not news, and I 809 00:51:45,733 --> 00:51:48,853 Speaker 3: think people have which is a refreshing part of this. 810 00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:52,253 Speaker 3: People have realized that on a very large scale. 811 00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:57,333 Speaker 2: They have in the States obviously, but not so much elsewhere. 812 00:51:58,053 --> 00:52:02,773 Speaker 2: We've still got the same. Yeah, simple journalists I'm trying 813 00:52:02,813 --> 00:52:06,773 Speaker 2: to be as kind as I can who don't understand 814 00:52:06,813 --> 00:52:09,333 Speaker 2: how it could have happened and continue to write the 815 00:52:09,373 --> 00:52:13,533 Speaker 2: crap that they have written all along. I am thinking 816 00:52:13,533 --> 00:52:14,853 Speaker 2: of one or two in particular. 817 00:52:15,853 --> 00:52:19,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it happened because this was a person 818 00:52:19,053 --> 00:52:23,893 Speaker 3: who can actually articulate policy at length. You know, take 819 00:52:23,973 --> 00:52:27,973 Speaker 3: Charlotteville or something. He did not say, just good people 820 00:52:27,973 --> 00:52:30,093 Speaker 3: on both sides at Charlotteviell. You know, this is something 821 00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:32,653 Speaker 3: I only found two or three years later. Yeah, I 822 00:52:32,653 --> 00:52:36,573 Speaker 3: mean he said he specifically excluded white supremacists from that. 823 00:52:37,733 --> 00:52:41,333 Speaker 3: So it's the opposite of how it was reported. People 824 00:52:41,373 --> 00:52:43,613 Speaker 3: have seen so much of that here that I think 825 00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:47,293 Speaker 3: the media has just lost credibility. But you know, you 826 00:52:47,413 --> 00:52:50,613 Speaker 3: had one side that spent only a third of the money, 827 00:52:50,933 --> 00:52:56,133 Speaker 3: but who had very long speeches and very long interviews 828 00:52:56,893 --> 00:53:02,853 Speaker 3: and articulated a wide variety of policy alternatives. They said, 829 00:53:02,853 --> 00:53:06,213 Speaker 3: what they're planning to do? You had another side. If 830 00:53:06,213 --> 00:53:09,013 Speaker 3: there are clear policies, I miss them, And I think 831 00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:11,813 Speaker 3: people are struggling to the people struggle to figure out 832 00:53:12,293 --> 00:53:16,133 Speaker 3: what the actual policy is, apart from trying to keep 833 00:53:16,173 --> 00:53:18,653 Speaker 3: Trump out. But that's not a policy that you're going 834 00:53:18,653 --> 00:53:21,493 Speaker 3: to went on. So, yeah, they didn't articulate any policy, 835 00:53:22,613 --> 00:53:29,693 Speaker 3: and they broke down so so and that they clearly 836 00:53:30,453 --> 00:53:32,773 Speaker 3: did not tell the truth to the American public about 837 00:53:32,813 --> 00:53:36,293 Speaker 3: the state of the previous president and et cetera. So 838 00:53:37,613 --> 00:53:41,053 Speaker 3: you know, I can't see how journalists struggle with that 839 00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:43,333 Speaker 3: the left of polities and what the left used to be. 840 00:53:43,373 --> 00:53:45,573 Speaker 3: But if if you're a sort of pro Democrat or 841 00:53:45,613 --> 00:53:48,493 Speaker 3: pro republic whatever, it's hard to argue I think with 842 00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:52,013 Speaker 3: what I just said, because that's blatantly in front of everyone. 843 00:53:52,853 --> 00:53:56,733 Speaker 2: Now, before you tell me that you've had enough, I've 844 00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:58,413 Speaker 2: got a couple of other things. So we should we 845 00:53:58,453 --> 00:54:03,013 Speaker 2: should move on, at least at least briefly two, two 846 00:54:03,133 --> 00:54:07,013 Speaker 2: or three other matters. If I may, I want to 847 00:54:07,013 --> 00:54:10,373 Speaker 2: mention Joy Battaria, one of the three medical people who 848 00:54:10,453 --> 00:54:11,333 Speaker 2: came up with the. 849 00:54:13,053 --> 00:54:13,773 Speaker 3: Great Barrington. 850 00:54:14,013 --> 00:54:18,213 Speaker 2: Yes, and at first of all, I didn't understand what 851 00:54:18,253 --> 00:54:20,533 Speaker 2: on earth the Great Barrington thing was. And then once 852 00:54:20,613 --> 00:54:22,053 Speaker 2: I got a grasp, of course I. 853 00:54:22,413 --> 00:54:26,493 Speaker 3: Knew it was just orthodox public health. Well, there was 854 00:54:26,533 --> 00:54:29,333 Speaker 3: a Martin Kodolf and symmetric uption. They didn't come up 855 00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,093 Speaker 3: with anything new, which is why it is so important 856 00:54:32,173 --> 00:54:36,453 Speaker 3: that they just articulated clearly orthodox public health exactly. Now. 857 00:54:36,453 --> 00:54:39,093 Speaker 2: I had cold Off on the podcast fairly early in 858 00:54:39,093 --> 00:54:42,573 Speaker 2: the piece and wish i'd had Betacharia, but I never tried. 859 00:54:43,333 --> 00:54:45,733 Speaker 2: But I see that he was just awarded a major 860 00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:47,893 Speaker 2: international scientific prize. 861 00:54:48,253 --> 00:54:50,173 Speaker 3: You see that. Yeah, I can't remember what it was, 862 00:54:50,213 --> 00:54:53,613 Speaker 3: but I did. I know Jay, he's a very nice person. Yes, 863 00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:57,733 Speaker 3: these people should be getting prizes because they stood up 864 00:54:58,093 --> 00:55:05,933 Speaker 3: at considerable cost lost. Yeah, and they were just insisting 865 00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:10,013 Speaker 3: on telling the truth that they were talking orthodox public health. Asendy, 866 00:55:10,093 --> 00:55:13,893 Speaker 3: They're talking about what we knew is true. For a 867 00:55:13,893 --> 00:55:15,773 Speaker 3: lot of it's just common sense. You don't even have 868 00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:18,293 Speaker 3: to be a public health physician to know that if 869 00:55:18,293 --> 00:55:22,373 Speaker 3: you massively impoverish people and close down economy. Then that's 870 00:55:22,413 --> 00:55:25,653 Speaker 3: going to make health generally worse in the future. I 871 00:55:25,733 --> 00:55:30,653 Speaker 3: mean that's pretty obvious. So and that is why that's 872 00:55:30,653 --> 00:55:32,693 Speaker 3: what the great Barents and Declace is about, is just 873 00:55:32,853 --> 00:55:37,093 Speaker 3: you will cause more harm if you close down the 874 00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:40,653 Speaker 3: health system, closed down the economy for something like this, 875 00:55:40,813 --> 00:55:43,173 Speaker 3: rather than just concentrating on the people who are actually 876 00:55:43,213 --> 00:55:45,093 Speaker 3: at risk and addressing their needs. 877 00:55:45,933 --> 00:55:51,173 Speaker 2: The Australian COVID Inquiry report now the risk of treading 878 00:55:51,173 --> 00:55:54,933 Speaker 2: on Ramesh the Cursed Toes. He's declared it not fit 879 00:55:55,053 --> 00:55:55,653 Speaker 2: for purpose? 880 00:55:56,413 --> 00:55:58,893 Speaker 3: Have you read it? I haven't read it yet, no 881 00:55:59,373 --> 00:56:03,373 Speaker 3: report on it. I think it's much like the others. 882 00:56:03,373 --> 00:56:07,893 Speaker 3: It says should have done more stuff, more quickly, and 883 00:56:07,973 --> 00:56:12,493 Speaker 3: it does and go into the the harms I've seen 884 00:56:12,573 --> 00:56:13,373 Speaker 3: short summar. 885 00:56:13,053 --> 00:56:15,773 Speaker 2: Reason we've we've got we've got something. I think we've 886 00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:19,733 Speaker 2: still got something underway here. It's it's hard to tell sometimes, 887 00:56:20,093 --> 00:56:22,613 Speaker 2: but it's it's going to fall into the same category 888 00:56:23,453 --> 00:56:25,853 Speaker 2: and there'll be a follow up. I think I trust 889 00:56:26,653 --> 00:56:31,133 Speaker 2: that it might might might be might get honest, do 890 00:56:30,853 --> 00:56:34,333 Speaker 2: you think that one day the people who are and 891 00:56:34,373 --> 00:56:41,133 Speaker 2: I'm thinking particularly of ex prime ministers and the and 892 00:56:41,213 --> 00:56:46,733 Speaker 2: their lot will be recognized appropriately for what they did. 893 00:56:47,253 --> 00:56:50,533 Speaker 3: I think they will eventually, because when people look back 894 00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:53,053 Speaker 3: and do their studies on this in thirty or forty 895 00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:56,053 Speaker 3: year is time ye know that there there's this big 896 00:56:56,093 --> 00:56:59,173 Speaker 3: dip in the economy, there's an increase in debt. They 897 00:56:59,173 --> 00:57:03,173 Speaker 3: will see that as we know now. I mean, of course, 898 00:57:03,213 --> 00:57:06,213 Speaker 3: what I tell you wasn't any better, is generally worse 899 00:57:06,253 --> 00:57:09,653 Speaker 3: in countries that had strict measures compared to those that didn't. 900 00:57:10,013 --> 00:57:14,573 Speaker 3: And there is this huge impact on basic human rights 901 00:57:14,573 --> 00:57:16,773 Speaker 3: and so on that the world been fighting for for 902 00:57:16,813 --> 00:57:19,813 Speaker 3: so long and then just went backwards so many steps. 903 00:57:19,853 --> 00:57:23,333 Speaker 3: So I think in the future it'll be recognized as 904 00:57:23,413 --> 00:57:27,773 Speaker 3: a huge mistake. I doubt that it will directly impact 905 00:57:27,773 --> 00:57:30,653 Speaker 3: any of these people. I don't think anyone political is 906 00:57:30,693 --> 00:57:34,373 Speaker 3: going to go to jail or something for this, and 907 00:57:35,093 --> 00:57:37,533 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that. I mean, some of them are 908 00:57:37,573 --> 00:57:41,493 Speaker 3: actually extreme, and the one you're talking about is recognized 909 00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:45,533 Speaker 3: as fairly extreme globally. But politicians who were in a 910 00:57:45,573 --> 00:57:48,333 Speaker 3: really difficult situation with this, and I think we have 911 00:57:48,453 --> 00:57:51,253 Speaker 3: to recognize this put yourself in their shoes. The whole 912 00:57:51,293 --> 00:57:53,813 Speaker 3: media was against it, and the media was on the 913 00:57:53,893 --> 00:57:57,013 Speaker 3: side of big farm totally along with hundreds of billions 914 00:57:57,053 --> 00:58:00,093 Speaker 3: of dollars of effort. And if they stood and said, 915 00:58:00,133 --> 00:58:03,133 Speaker 3: as Prince of Sweden did, they weren't going to do this. 916 00:58:03,573 --> 00:58:06,613 Speaker 3: Every death is pinned on them, So it was likely 917 00:58:06,693 --> 00:58:10,213 Speaker 3: political suicide. Having said that, I didn't see any leaders 918 00:58:10,213 --> 00:58:12,893 Speaker 3: sit down in front of the nation for a couple 919 00:58:12,973 --> 00:58:17,973 Speaker 3: of hours and just talk through like these are the facts. 920 00:58:18,533 --> 00:58:21,373 Speaker 3: This is the age people dying, this is the comorbidities. 921 00:58:22,253 --> 00:58:24,653 Speaker 3: If we close down, we're not going to help all 922 00:58:24,653 --> 00:58:26,693 Speaker 3: these other people, and we're going to do this huge 923 00:58:26,733 --> 00:58:29,293 Speaker 3: economic harm and that's going to mean longer waiting lists 924 00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:32,573 Speaker 3: and less money for cancer treatment, and less money for 925 00:58:32,933 --> 00:58:36,373 Speaker 3: heart disease, less money for kids' illnesses, et cetera in 926 00:58:36,373 --> 00:58:39,253 Speaker 3: the future. So what are you doing. If we had 927 00:58:39,253 --> 00:58:42,893 Speaker 3: that conversation and there was a politician anywhere brave enough 928 00:58:42,933 --> 00:58:45,453 Speaker 3: to do that, I suspect that a lot of populations 929 00:58:45,493 --> 00:58:49,293 Speaker 3: would have sided with them. But that aside, you know, 930 00:58:49,493 --> 00:58:54,693 Speaker 3: I think they were just trying to avoid being classed 931 00:58:54,693 --> 00:58:57,293 Speaker 3: in the media and by a lot of the population 932 00:58:57,373 --> 00:59:01,813 Speaker 3: who were just brainwashed as murderers. I mean, maybe I'm 933 00:59:01,853 --> 00:59:04,773 Speaker 3: being over nice, I don't know, but I think that 934 00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:07,813 Speaker 3: sort of explains why so many went along with it 935 00:59:07,813 --> 00:59:09,693 Speaker 3: and very politicians stood up. 936 00:59:10,173 --> 00:59:13,493 Speaker 2: I think it reflects on the politicians or the standard 937 00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:16,253 Speaker 2: of politicians that we now accept in the main. 938 00:59:16,533 --> 00:59:20,413 Speaker 3: Oh, it certainly does that. Yeah, and just on I 939 00:59:20,453 --> 00:59:24,733 Speaker 3: know Australian politicians were speaking us in similar that, including 940 00:59:24,813 --> 00:59:28,453 Speaker 3: that you know your recent prime minister. Their career politicians. 941 00:59:28,453 --> 00:59:33,653 Speaker 3: They haven't run a business, they haven't run a farm, 942 00:59:33,773 --> 00:59:37,253 Speaker 3: they haven't worked in a law practice for thirty years 943 00:59:37,293 --> 00:59:42,013 Speaker 3: before they go into politics or medicine whatever. So they 944 00:59:42,813 --> 00:59:45,693 Speaker 3: go through they come out of high school, they go 945 00:59:45,733 --> 00:59:50,533 Speaker 3: into university, they joined student politics, they joined whatever party 946 00:59:50,573 --> 00:59:53,893 Speaker 3: in that politics in the university, and that's their career 947 00:59:53,973 --> 00:59:58,093 Speaker 3: for life is just being a politician. And really that's 948 00:59:58,253 --> 01:00:01,373 Speaker 3: the last person who you would want to run your country. 949 01:00:02,133 --> 01:00:04,173 Speaker 2: You know, you've just because I have no idea, Yep, 950 01:00:04,253 --> 01:00:05,733 Speaker 2: you've just reminded me of something. 951 01:00:06,733 --> 01:00:07,133 Speaker 3: There was. 952 01:00:07,653 --> 01:00:10,213 Speaker 2: There was an article. There was a commentary piece written 953 01:00:10,213 --> 01:00:15,373 Speaker 2: by a university professor here with regard to Jacinda going 954 01:00:15,533 --> 01:00:20,493 Speaker 2: and giving advice to Karmela. Right, No, this is this 955 01:00:20,573 --> 01:00:24,093 Speaker 2: is true, not fiction, not fiction. Apparently it's true. There's 956 01:00:24,093 --> 01:00:26,213 Speaker 2: a picture of the two of them together and et cetera. 957 01:00:27,813 --> 01:00:32,253 Speaker 2: It's just occurred to me. We know that you, Sinda 958 01:00:32,293 --> 01:00:36,493 Speaker 2: worked in a fish and chip shop. Apparently Carmela didn't 959 01:00:36,533 --> 01:00:39,173 Speaker 2: work in McDonald's or no one can, no one can 960 01:00:39,253 --> 01:00:40,813 Speaker 2: prove it. 961 01:00:41,013 --> 01:00:42,253 Speaker 3: They're stroking to find a record. 962 01:00:42,613 --> 01:00:46,213 Speaker 2: Do you do you think maybe that gave her a 963 01:00:46,293 --> 01:00:50,813 Speaker 2: hint by saying, look, it stood being great stead having 964 01:00:50,853 --> 01:00:54,413 Speaker 2: worked in a fish shop. Maybe you worked in McDonald's 965 01:00:54,453 --> 01:00:55,653 Speaker 2: or something along the way. 966 01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:58,253 Speaker 3: I suspect they were told to try to identify at 967 01:00:58,333 --> 01:01:02,053 Speaker 3: least with the ordinary people. A lot of interesting you know, 968 01:01:02,373 --> 01:01:07,013 Speaker 3: it's interesting looking at the all the celebrities socided. 969 01:01:06,613 --> 01:01:11,213 Speaker 2: With most mostly for megabugs. Yeah, they were paid lots 970 01:01:11,213 --> 01:01:13,253 Speaker 2: and lots of money, yes, exactly. 971 01:01:13,013 --> 01:01:16,333 Speaker 3: So so that they're not they're not people who apparently 972 01:01:16,573 --> 01:01:20,253 Speaker 3: were there because of this is what they really believed in, 973 01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:23,653 Speaker 3: or if they did, there was a very fortuitous that 974 01:01:23,653 --> 01:01:26,453 Speaker 3: they're getting paid to stand by the belief. Again, I 975 01:01:26,453 --> 01:01:31,653 Speaker 3: think that people saw this. People recognize, No, they didn't 976 01:01:31,653 --> 01:01:33,613 Speaker 3: know I think at that time how much people are 977 01:01:33,653 --> 01:01:37,653 Speaker 3: being paid, but they can see that people have not really, 978 01:01:38,253 --> 01:01:41,573 Speaker 3: you know, it comes back to actually articulating policies and 979 01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:45,133 Speaker 3: explaining why you're there. Versus just being there and jumping 980 01:01:45,173 --> 01:01:48,013 Speaker 3: up and down and saying never Trump. One side ran 981 01:01:48,173 --> 01:01:52,493 Speaker 3: this very shallow campaign. Guess you know how journalists can't 982 01:01:52,933 --> 01:01:56,533 Speaker 3: recognize that is really interesting because it means that they 983 01:01:56,573 --> 01:02:00,093 Speaker 3: are really they've lost the ability to think rationally to 984 01:02:00,133 --> 01:02:00,893 Speaker 3: a large extent. 985 01:02:01,333 --> 01:02:06,453 Speaker 2: Indeed, not to to put paid to this podcast. Let 986 01:02:06,453 --> 01:02:10,893 Speaker 2: me quote you from the to arrest the degradation of health, 987 01:02:10,933 --> 01:02:14,453 Speaker 2: human rights, and sovereignty. We need an exit strategy from 988 01:02:14,853 --> 01:02:19,053 Speaker 2: unethical public health. This will require an exit strategy from 989 01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:23,813 Speaker 2: approaches mired in conflict of interest and an emphasis on 990 01:02:23,973 --> 01:02:26,813 Speaker 2: evidence rather than corporate profit. And for the sake of 991 01:02:26,853 --> 01:02:30,453 Speaker 2: both donor country taxpayers and the recipients of their support, 992 01:02:31,093 --> 01:02:34,613 Speaker 2: we need an exit strategy from external dependency in order 993 01:02:34,653 --> 01:02:39,893 Speaker 2: to achieve health independence. This is what sustainability and equity means, 994 01:02:40,093 --> 01:02:44,733 Speaker 2: words of which global health profiteers are so fond. These 995 01:02:44,893 --> 01:02:49,453 Speaker 2: changes need to be sect a wide, not just the WHO. 996 01:02:49,613 --> 01:02:52,573 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that the WHO certainly needs 997 01:02:52,613 --> 01:02:57,133 Speaker 2: to be changed dramatically, but so does the whole sector. 998 01:02:58,613 --> 01:03:00,853 Speaker 2: Is that possible? Yes, it's possible. 999 01:03:00,973 --> 01:03:03,453 Speaker 3: Comes back to what we're saying near the start of 1000 01:03:03,493 --> 01:03:07,933 Speaker 3: the discussion that the global health industry is just growing 1001 01:03:07,933 --> 01:03:11,933 Speaker 3: and grown more rapidly than us, probably than it has before, 1002 01:03:12,813 --> 01:03:16,533 Speaker 3: and it should be going in the other direction. We 1003 01:03:16,613 --> 01:03:22,573 Speaker 3: should be building capacity in countries that struggle technically so 1004 01:03:22,773 --> 01:03:26,973 Speaker 3: they don't need external help anymore. And that is the 1005 01:03:27,253 --> 01:03:29,493 Speaker 3: supposedly the whole point of foreign aid. And this is 1006 01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:33,333 Speaker 3: the standard left or right wing, but certainly left wing 1007 01:03:33,413 --> 01:03:39,293 Speaker 3: thinking around public health two decades ago. You don't want 1008 01:03:39,453 --> 01:03:43,493 Speaker 3: a colonialist situation where you have people from rich countries 1009 01:03:44,133 --> 01:03:46,453 Speaker 3: having all the expertise and going and telling people in 1010 01:03:46,493 --> 01:03:51,333 Speaker 3: poor countries what to do. You want to build our 1011 01:03:51,373 --> 01:03:57,493 Speaker 3: world based much more equally, where all countries have adequate 1012 01:03:57,533 --> 01:04:01,613 Speaker 3: capacity and can manage their own health in the way 1013 01:04:01,653 --> 01:04:04,373 Speaker 3: that they see fit. And that is what we are 1014 01:04:04,413 --> 01:04:09,013 Speaker 3: supposed to be building in international public health. It is 1015 01:04:09,093 --> 01:04:15,013 Speaker 3: the opposite of having very strong central institutions that have 1016 01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:20,653 Speaker 3: the ability to dictate policy about whether it's vaccination or 1017 01:04:20,693 --> 01:04:25,893 Speaker 3: lockdowns or whatever. And it's the opposite of growing these 1018 01:04:25,933 --> 01:04:30,373 Speaker 3: central institutions. They should be getting smaller and smaller as 1019 01:04:30,813 --> 01:04:33,413 Speaker 3: countries get on their own feet and do things themselves. 1020 01:04:34,013 --> 01:04:36,733 Speaker 3: And I don't think people can really argue with that 1021 01:04:36,893 --> 01:04:41,053 Speaker 3: from any point of view. Except if you really are 1022 01:04:41,093 --> 01:04:44,293 Speaker 3: on the train that believes that the world is facally 1023 01:04:44,293 --> 01:04:48,573 Speaker 3: increasing existential threats and we're all going to die if 1024 01:04:48,613 --> 01:04:52,173 Speaker 3: we don't all give up our rights to some central 1025 01:04:52,253 --> 01:04:55,573 Speaker 3: bureauct to save us. And if you're on that train still, 1026 01:04:55,733 --> 01:04:58,213 Speaker 3: then it is properly hard to get you off it. 1027 01:04:58,373 --> 01:05:03,373 Speaker 3: But there's no rational basis for believing that we are 1028 01:05:03,413 --> 01:05:09,573 Speaker 3: generally living longer, and pandemics outbreaks, infectious his outbreaks are 1029 01:05:09,613 --> 01:05:14,253 Speaker 3: getting less deadly overall and are not getting more frequent. 1030 01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:16,733 Speaker 3: We're getting better at detecting them, but they're not killing 1031 01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:22,213 Speaker 3: more people. So it's illogical to believe that it doesn't 1032 01:05:22,253 --> 01:05:26,373 Speaker 3: fit historically, it doesn't fit epidemiologically. If people crust them 1033 01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:29,133 Speaker 3: minds back to twenty nineteen, it doesn't fit properly with 1034 01:05:29,173 --> 01:05:32,493 Speaker 3: their experience at all. So people need to sort of 1035 01:05:32,813 --> 01:05:36,893 Speaker 3: undo the propaganda a bit and go back to that mountain, 1036 01:05:36,973 --> 01:05:39,733 Speaker 3: sort of think on their own and think through what 1037 01:05:39,853 --> 01:05:42,733 Speaker 3: is actually going on, and that they will realize that 1038 01:05:43,333 --> 01:05:46,933 Speaker 3: there is no good reason to keep growing these bureaucracies, 1039 01:05:47,013 --> 01:05:52,493 Speaker 3: that poverty was going down before COVID, etc. Countries were 1040 01:05:52,493 --> 01:05:57,133 Speaker 3: doing better. The most African countries had rapidly increasing GDPs 1041 01:05:57,213 --> 01:06:00,573 Speaker 3: or that was reversed during COVID, the world was getting 1042 01:06:00,613 --> 01:06:03,893 Speaker 3: much better. We've had this huge step backwards. But you 1043 01:06:04,173 --> 01:06:07,293 Speaker 3: could argue that is because of these institutions need for 1044 01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:11,093 Speaker 3: surviving growth is such that they are now really poisoning 1045 01:06:11,733 --> 01:06:15,773 Speaker 3: the world and poisoning the countries that they were supposedly supporting. 1046 01:06:16,493 --> 01:06:18,693 Speaker 2: I read this morning, it was sent it was sent 1047 01:06:18,733 --> 01:06:22,013 Speaker 2: to me from London, an article from The Times on 1048 01:06:22,253 --> 01:06:27,893 Speaker 2: the top four. I think it was airlines with the 1049 01:06:27,973 --> 01:06:35,533 Speaker 2: luxury section sector and you know, Emirates and Singapore Airlines 1050 01:06:35,573 --> 01:06:40,973 Speaker 2: and whatever else, and they've all refitted or in the 1051 01:06:41,013 --> 01:06:44,133 Speaker 2: process of refitting, and the luxury level has gone up 1052 01:06:44,253 --> 01:06:51,213 Speaker 2: rapidly in first class, business class and in economy plus. 1053 01:06:51,493 --> 01:06:53,853 Speaker 2: And I just thought earlier on when you were talking 1054 01:06:53,893 --> 01:06:58,493 Speaker 2: about the travel business class travel for these people who 1055 01:06:58,693 --> 01:07:02,373 Speaker 2: who fly around between between Nairobi and Geneva and what 1056 01:07:02,413 --> 01:07:05,693 Speaker 2: have you, that this was even more incentive for them 1057 01:07:05,693 --> 01:07:08,573 Speaker 2: to maintain their positions and grow the company. 1058 01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:11,973 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's people think the foreign age is 1059 01:07:12,013 --> 01:07:16,093 Speaker 3: going to help you desperate people in distant villages. A 1060 01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:19,653 Speaker 3: lot of it is going to support these people, and 1061 01:07:20,173 --> 01:07:22,973 Speaker 3: it's extremely difficult when you're in that situation which I've 1062 01:07:22,973 --> 01:07:27,013 Speaker 3: been in to get out of it because it is 1063 01:07:27,093 --> 01:07:29,773 Speaker 3: such a nice and interesting life. You know, people dream 1064 01:07:29,813 --> 01:07:33,133 Speaker 3: about this. So yeah, there's all sorts of reasons that 1065 01:07:33,213 --> 01:07:37,293 Speaker 3: people in this organization to think of to maintain that situation. 1066 01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:44,853 Speaker 2: David being a pleasure. Thank you, always grateful, and I 1067 01:07:44,933 --> 01:07:47,893 Speaker 2: hope that we I hope we see you again soon. 1068 01:07:48,253 --> 01:07:50,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope. So thanks late, and I have a 1069 01:07:50,293 --> 01:07:51,853 Speaker 3: good Christmas early soon. 1070 01:07:51,933 --> 01:07:55,853 Speaker 2: Oh listen, I forgot. I'm sorry. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, 1071 01:07:56,213 --> 01:08:16,253 Speaker 2: and stay well. Thank you, thank you. Now in the 1072 01:08:16,293 --> 01:08:19,413 Speaker 2: mail room for podcast number two hundred and sixty five, 1073 01:08:19,653 --> 01:08:22,093 Speaker 2: we discover missus producer. 1074 01:08:21,973 --> 01:08:22,973 Speaker 4: Leyton, how are you? 1075 01:08:23,533 --> 01:08:24,133 Speaker 2: You're raring to go? 1076 01:08:24,253 --> 01:08:26,013 Speaker 4: I don't need to ask how you are because we 1077 01:08:26,093 --> 01:08:30,173 Speaker 4: are a very happy boy after last week's win. 1078 01:08:31,093 --> 01:08:36,173 Speaker 2: Somewhat satisfied, you might say, right, And as one might expect, 1079 01:08:36,933 --> 01:08:39,333 Speaker 2: most of if not all, of the mail this week 1080 01:08:39,373 --> 01:08:44,773 Speaker 2: is on that particular topic. So why don't you roll? Leyton? 1081 01:08:45,453 --> 01:08:48,053 Speaker 4: Wayne says, Wow, what an amazing win, not only for 1082 01:08:48,133 --> 01:08:51,653 Speaker 4: Donald J. Trump, but also for the American people. Despite 1083 01:08:51,653 --> 01:08:56,053 Speaker 4: being up against the Democrat machine, the academic and coast elites, Hollywood, 1084 01:08:56,093 --> 01:08:59,813 Speaker 4: the great majority of the biased mainstream media and being 1085 01:08:59,933 --> 01:09:03,373 Speaker 4: vastly outspent, the will of the people could not be denied. 1086 01:09:03,933 --> 01:09:07,893 Speaker 4: It truly does restore one's face and democracy and common sense. 1087 01:09:08,533 --> 01:09:12,773 Speaker 4: Trump's dogged perseverance to keep fighting back despite everything that's 1088 01:09:12,813 --> 01:09:16,453 Speaker 4: been thrown against him is truly inspirational. If only we 1089 01:09:16,493 --> 01:09:18,773 Speaker 4: had a leader like Trump willing to follow through with 1090 01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:21,533 Speaker 4: the courage of their convictions and stand up against the 1091 01:09:21,573 --> 01:09:25,333 Speaker 4: idiotic policies and the woke agenda. It's going to be 1092 01:09:25,533 --> 01:09:28,853 Speaker 4: fascinating four years, and I suspect the Democrats will be 1093 01:09:28,933 --> 01:09:32,013 Speaker 4: much like the Labor Party and refuse to accept the 1094 01:09:32,013 --> 01:09:35,653 Speaker 4: fact that they've lost touch with the aspirations and concerns 1095 01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:38,933 Speaker 4: of the common people who make up the vast majority 1096 01:09:38,933 --> 01:09:42,213 Speaker 4: of the electorate. I saw a snippet of that great 1097 01:09:42,413 --> 01:09:47,613 Speaker 4: champion or formerly of the working class, Bruce Springsteen, performing 1098 01:09:47,653 --> 01:09:50,413 Speaker 4: a few songs at a Carmela rally. Thought how ironic 1099 01:09:50,493 --> 01:09:53,613 Speaker 4: it was that he he was singing for the Democrats 1100 01:09:53,933 --> 01:09:56,813 Speaker 4: while the actual working class people he made his fortunes 1101 01:09:56,893 --> 01:10:01,053 Speaker 4: singing about. We're now firmly supporting the Republicans in every 1102 01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:05,333 Speaker 4: increasing numbers, and I think will no doubt continue to 1103 01:10:05,373 --> 01:10:08,053 Speaker 4: do so as long as the Democrats are captured by 1104 01:10:08,093 --> 01:10:11,853 Speaker 4: their radical left policies. I'm sure the irony of this 1105 01:10:11,893 --> 01:10:14,333 Speaker 4: would not be lost on him. In a moment of 1106 01:10:14,413 --> 01:10:18,453 Speaker 4: quiet reflection, kind regards and keep up the good work. 1107 01:10:18,573 --> 01:10:23,333 Speaker 2: That's from Wayne. Wayne, I can't disagree with you, except 1108 01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:27,293 Speaker 2: maybe on one point. When you get to the level 1109 01:10:27,333 --> 01:10:32,053 Speaker 2: of Bruce Springsteen, let's just say that maybe he doesn't 1110 01:10:32,093 --> 01:10:34,733 Speaker 2: care as much as you thought about the people. 1111 01:10:35,133 --> 01:10:35,813 Speaker 3: So to speak. 1112 01:10:35,973 --> 01:10:40,533 Speaker 4: Although those celebrities live such an exalted life, don't they 1113 01:10:40,613 --> 01:10:44,973 Speaker 4: that they can't remember what it's like to live paycheck 1114 01:10:45,013 --> 01:10:45,573 Speaker 4: to paycheck. 1115 01:10:45,693 --> 01:10:51,493 Speaker 2: Yes, and boosted by funds from the Democrat Bank Eileen 1116 01:10:52,173 --> 01:10:56,933 Speaker 2: New Zealand's mainstream media and their monotonous meltdowns over the 1117 01:10:57,013 --> 01:11:02,173 Speaker 2: Democrats losing the American elections won't solve a thing. Democracy 1118 01:11:02,213 --> 01:11:05,893 Speaker 2: reflects the will of the people from all walks of life, 1119 01:11:06,533 --> 01:11:11,373 Speaker 2: and that's something the MSM simply cannot fathom. This includes 1120 01:11:11,453 --> 01:11:17,093 Speaker 2: free speech freedoms. Their sulky petulance often reflects a collective 1121 01:11:17,213 --> 01:11:23,093 Speaker 2: loss of contact with external realities. Metaphorically, it appears like 1122 01:11:23,813 --> 01:11:28,213 Speaker 2: grown up thumb sucking and juvenile tongue poking. This includes 1123 01:11:28,293 --> 01:11:33,573 Speaker 2: their personality attacks and character assassinations upon Republican politicians. New 1124 01:11:33,653 --> 01:11:38,733 Speaker 2: Zealand also has an international reputation and international trade links 1125 01:11:38,773 --> 01:11:43,493 Speaker 2: to consider. Mainstream media should engage in big picture thinking 1126 01:11:44,133 --> 01:11:50,533 Speaker 2: and perhaps reflect on their myopia and potential mass formation psychosis. Fortunately, 1127 01:11:50,573 --> 01:11:54,493 Speaker 2: these days, the public has now choices and independent media, 1128 01:11:55,053 --> 01:12:01,853 Speaker 2: independent symposians, and independent podcasts present as a viable alternative. 1129 01:12:02,493 --> 01:12:07,173 Speaker 2: After all, variety is the spice of life. I think 1130 01:12:07,413 --> 01:12:12,613 Speaker 2: that we should we should invite suggestions as to who 1131 01:12:12,613 --> 01:12:18,533 Speaker 2: are the most myopic of the media and journalists at 1132 01:12:18,573 --> 01:12:19,413 Speaker 2: this point of time. 1133 01:12:19,853 --> 01:12:23,933 Speaker 4: Just saying, Leighton Vincent says, I'm sure you'll be inundated 1134 01:12:23,933 --> 01:12:27,053 Speaker 4: with emails after the US election, but firstly, thanks for 1135 01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:30,893 Speaker 4: your fantastic podcasts with Patrick Basham. It was so good 1136 01:12:30,933 --> 01:12:33,973 Speaker 4: to hear his analysis before and after the vote or 1137 01:12:34,093 --> 01:12:37,453 Speaker 4: a brilliant man. This morning, I realized that it should 1138 01:12:37,493 --> 01:12:39,973 Speaker 4: be safe to tell people that you'll pro Trump, because 1139 01:12:40,053 --> 01:12:43,293 Speaker 4: anti Trump is clearly in the minority. I'm keen to 1140 01:12:43,293 --> 01:12:46,053 Speaker 4: see how the mainstream media adapts, if it's willing to 1141 01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:49,573 Speaker 4: the new landscape that lays before them, and whether people 1142 01:12:49,613 --> 01:12:52,853 Speaker 4: will finally c through the bs we've been fed since 1143 01:12:52,893 --> 01:12:56,573 Speaker 4: at least twenty sixteen. The choices in the hands of 1144 01:12:56,613 --> 01:12:59,173 Speaker 4: the media as to what they do, particularly if they 1145 01:12:59,173 --> 01:13:02,853 Speaker 4: want to remain relevant. Much like the demise of the 1146 01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:05,853 Speaker 4: Saint Cindy government here, it's going to be refreshing to 1147 01:13:05,933 --> 01:13:08,853 Speaker 4: wake up each day not worried about the US idiots 1148 01:13:08,893 --> 01:13:12,173 Speaker 4: and power and what they're planning to do. Thanks again 1149 01:13:12,573 --> 01:13:16,893 Speaker 4: for your amazing podcasts, and that's from Vincent instance appreciated. 1150 01:13:16,973 --> 01:13:21,813 Speaker 2: Thank you very good. Now from Bryce and Brisbane. We 1151 01:13:21,853 --> 01:13:24,373 Speaker 2: both picked Trump to win. I picked that he would 1152 01:13:24,413 --> 01:13:31,253 Speaker 2: win by a bit around three hundred, says Bryce. I've 1153 01:13:31,253 --> 01:13:33,893 Speaker 2: been following the various polls for some time and was 1154 01:13:33,933 --> 01:13:36,733 Speaker 2: of the opinion that the ones the lamestream media were 1155 01:13:36,813 --> 01:13:40,333 Speaker 2: posting were wrong. I couldn't understand their logic, but it 1156 01:13:40,373 --> 01:13:44,373 Speaker 2: wasn't logic. It was propaganda. This was writ large when 1157 01:13:44,373 --> 01:13:46,773 Speaker 2: I was in the States a few months ago. What 1158 01:13:47,053 --> 01:13:50,493 Speaker 2: was being written was not what was on the ground. 1159 01:13:50,693 --> 01:13:53,853 Speaker 2: The data I was seeing on the Swing States indicated 1160 01:13:53,893 --> 01:13:57,253 Speaker 2: to me that they would go to Trump, with maybe 1161 01:13:57,253 --> 01:13:59,813 Speaker 2: one or two exceptions. As far as I was concerned, 1162 01:13:59,853 --> 01:14:04,733 Speaker 2: the mainstream media was engaging in hope. America rejected woke yesterday, 1163 01:14:05,093 --> 01:14:09,173 Speaker 2: America rejected not only the Democratic Party, but how it 1164 01:14:09,253 --> 01:14:12,653 Speaker 2: was run and the insane policies they promoted. For me, 1165 01:14:12,813 --> 01:14:16,293 Speaker 2: they didn't understand the wider public, only pandering to their 1166 01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:20,653 Speaker 2: academic elites who look down on the working class, the unwashed, 1167 01:14:20,893 --> 01:14:24,333 Speaker 2: who used to be their base. America rejected them with 1168 01:14:24,453 --> 01:14:28,813 Speaker 2: the popular vote, which will sting the Democrat Party, the 1169 01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:33,533 Speaker 2: very party that lied and hid Biden's decline with the 1170 01:14:33,533 --> 01:14:37,453 Speaker 2: complicity of the majority of the mainstream media. The media 1171 01:14:37,613 --> 01:14:40,973 Speaker 2: have lost their way and as we all know, have 1172 01:14:41,173 --> 01:14:45,733 Speaker 2: moved from reporting to agenda setting. It was salient to 1173 01:14:45,813 --> 01:14:49,733 Speaker 2: note Julle Biden dressed in red on election day. People 1174 01:14:49,813 --> 01:14:53,773 Speaker 2: in those circles sent messages with their attire. Quite why 1175 01:14:53,853 --> 01:14:56,773 Speaker 2: we down under were able to spot this wind from 1176 01:14:56,813 --> 01:14:59,493 Speaker 2: a mile away speaks on how out of touch the 1177 01:14:59,493 --> 01:15:03,213 Speaker 2: Democratic Party are. They will need to see an optician 1178 01:15:03,893 --> 01:15:06,453 Speaker 2: as they will spend the number of years naval gazing 1179 01:15:06,773 --> 01:15:13,093 Speaker 2: after this pearl esque defeat from Bryce. In Brittany Land. 1180 01:15:14,213 --> 01:15:16,813 Speaker 4: Layton Steve says, ever heard of this? 1181 01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:17,253 Speaker 1: Now? 1182 01:15:17,293 --> 01:15:21,373 Speaker 4: It seems the unvaccinated succumb to diabetes more easily. Is 1183 01:15:21,413 --> 01:15:23,533 Speaker 4: this the next wave of why you should get jabbed? 1184 01:15:23,573 --> 01:15:26,533 Speaker 4: A miracle cure all for the common ills of Western 1185 01:15:26,613 --> 01:15:31,693 Speaker 4: societal issues. Keep up the excellent work, enjoying your podcasts weekly. 1186 01:15:32,173 --> 01:15:34,973 Speaker 4: Let's hope the election term stays at three years as 1187 01:15:34,973 --> 01:15:37,933 Speaker 4: an undoubtedly labor will get in again at some point, 1188 01:15:38,253 --> 01:15:41,973 Speaker 4: and the previous six yes stint of wastefulness and incompetence 1189 01:15:42,093 --> 01:15:46,573 Speaker 4: was felt like an ardernity that would never end. You 1190 01:15:46,613 --> 01:15:49,293 Speaker 4: and I both booked in Trump by a landslide. Trudeau 1191 01:15:49,413 --> 01:15:52,213 Speaker 4: is next to feel the voter's wrath. Looking forward to 1192 01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:54,613 Speaker 4: this week's podcast, and that's from Steve. 1193 01:15:55,413 --> 01:15:59,093 Speaker 2: Steve, along with all the others, very good. This has 1194 01:15:59,133 --> 01:16:02,453 Speaker 2: been a pretty damn good week. We're leaving some for 1195 01:16:03,493 --> 01:16:07,053 Speaker 2: later reference. By the way, I am a Macintosh, writes 1196 01:16:07,373 --> 01:16:12,653 Speaker 2: George A. New Zealand Herald October thirty expresses disbelief. Is 1197 01:16:12,653 --> 01:16:17,053 Speaker 2: she a columnist or a letter writer or whatever? I 1198 01:16:17,093 --> 01:16:21,293 Speaker 2: don't know, so I start again. Emma Macintosh, New Zealand Herald, 1199 01:16:21,333 --> 01:16:25,173 Speaker 2: October thirty is expresses disbelief that her fellow citizens are 1200 01:16:25,213 --> 01:16:27,973 Speaker 2: so ignorant that they do not include man made climate 1201 01:16:28,053 --> 01:16:31,333 Speaker 2: change in their top five issues affecting the country. It 1202 01:16:31,413 --> 01:16:35,813 Speaker 2: comes as no surprise that economic and social issues are 1203 01:16:35,813 --> 01:16:38,533 Speaker 2: currently front of mind for most of us, as these 1204 01:16:38,533 --> 01:16:41,493 Speaker 2: are the issues that we face in our daily lives. Ever, 1205 01:16:41,613 --> 01:16:45,973 Speaker 2: believes that ongoing droughts, floods, fires, and sea level rise 1206 01:16:46,293 --> 01:16:50,733 Speaker 2: will bring devastation and calamity to our future generations. This 1207 01:16:50,893 --> 01:16:56,173 Speaker 2: raises another issue. A recent study has indicated that our 1208 01:16:56,293 --> 01:17:01,773 Speaker 2: kids are suffering increasingly from anxiety. Further, around fifty percent 1209 01:17:01,893 --> 01:17:08,253 Speaker 2: stated that climate change was the main cause of their torment. Perhaps, perhaps, 1210 01:17:08,613 --> 01:17:12,853 Speaker 2: just maybe it's time for us to temper inflammatory language 1211 01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:17,213 Speaker 2: around climate change. Don't rely on it, don't hold your breast, 1212 01:17:17,253 --> 01:17:19,373 Speaker 2: George Laton. 1213 01:17:19,573 --> 01:17:23,293 Speaker 4: This is from Graham who's written He's copied it to you, 1214 01:17:23,533 --> 01:17:27,853 Speaker 4: and he's written to Ericus Stanford, Immigration Minister, and he's 1215 01:17:27,853 --> 01:17:30,853 Speaker 4: copied it to Winston and David Seymour, and so the 1216 01:17:31,013 --> 01:17:34,613 Speaker 4: letter says, dear missus Stanford. It has been claimed in 1217 01:17:34,653 --> 01:17:38,293 Speaker 4: the news media that approximately eighteen thousand Americans are planning 1218 01:17:38,293 --> 01:17:41,853 Speaker 4: to flee to our once blessed country because of their 1219 01:17:41,893 --> 01:17:45,653 Speaker 4: fear and loathing of President Trump. As you'll understand, that 1220 01:17:45,733 --> 01:17:48,373 Speaker 4: makes those people far beyond the pale in regard to 1221 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:52,133 Speaker 4: the obnoxiousness of their opinions and views in comparison to 1222 01:17:52,173 --> 01:17:55,973 Speaker 4: the lovely Candice Owens, would you please ensure that such 1223 01:17:56,093 --> 01:18:00,333 Speaker 4: dangerous US citizens are disallowed entry to our beautiful country 1224 01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,213 Speaker 4: where President Trump is respected and honored. 1225 01:18:03,973 --> 01:18:05,053 Speaker 3: That's from Graham. 1226 01:18:05,053 --> 01:18:10,173 Speaker 2: Graham also very good, missus. Stanford will pay attention. I'm 1227 01:18:10,213 --> 01:18:13,733 Speaker 2: sure he is, after all, my MP and yours too, 1228 01:18:13,733 --> 01:18:17,853 Speaker 2: I believe, funnily enough, shears later. There you go. Now, 1229 01:18:18,173 --> 01:18:23,493 Speaker 2: I commented to somebody a few days ago, I, well, 1230 01:18:23,573 --> 01:18:26,253 Speaker 2: let me just state it. I wondered about this. Even 1231 01:18:26,293 --> 01:18:30,973 Speaker 2: Trump was saying, after the attempted assassination where he got 1232 01:18:30,973 --> 01:18:34,773 Speaker 2: his earclipped, that he believed that God had intervened it. 1233 01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:37,253 Speaker 2: Come to that conclusion. And by the way, there appears 1234 01:18:37,293 --> 01:18:39,973 Speaker 2: to be some evidence of a verbal kind, at least, 1235 01:18:40,013 --> 01:18:43,773 Speaker 2: that he is not alien to the thought of there 1236 01:18:43,813 --> 01:18:48,533 Speaker 2: actually being a God. Anyway he was combating. I saw 1237 01:18:48,613 --> 01:18:51,133 Speaker 2: him do it at another speech, that he believed that 1238 01:18:51,173 --> 01:18:54,893 Speaker 2: God had him turn his head. Now a lot of 1239 01:18:54,933 --> 01:18:58,053 Speaker 2: you will laugh at that or mock it. No, none 1240 01:18:58,093 --> 01:19:00,373 Speaker 2: of you will knock it, but you might be amused 1241 01:19:00,373 --> 01:19:00,653 Speaker 2: by it. 1242 01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:01,573 Speaker 3: Anyway. 1243 01:19:01,613 --> 01:19:04,733 Speaker 2: I asked the question of somebody whether or not, having 1244 01:19:05,013 --> 01:19:09,893 Speaker 2: gone that far, whether it be an endorsement of Trump 1245 01:19:10,013 --> 01:19:14,693 Speaker 2: by upstairs with the size of the whim. After all, 1246 01:19:14,853 --> 01:19:18,253 Speaker 2: it was not expected by too many people, and it 1247 01:19:18,373 --> 01:19:22,253 Speaker 2: was sensational, so it would go hand in glove, would 1248 01:19:22,253 --> 01:19:24,413 Speaker 2: it not if you were following that line of thinking. 1249 01:19:24,453 --> 01:19:27,373 Speaker 2: So with that in mind, I read you this Wow, 1250 01:19:27,733 --> 01:19:31,693 Speaker 2: just wow. The twenty twenty four US election proves that 1251 01:19:31,813 --> 01:19:36,853 Speaker 2: God proves that God exists, the editorial of Spectator Australia proclaimed, 1252 01:19:36,933 --> 01:19:39,653 Speaker 2: following the first of the two assassination attempts, in which 1253 01:19:39,693 --> 01:19:42,733 Speaker 2: mister Trump turned his head at the split second the 1254 01:19:42,773 --> 01:19:47,093 Speaker 2: bullet was fired, this magazine, at its cover was unequivocal 1255 01:19:47,493 --> 01:19:51,093 Speaker 2: suggesting the hand of God may well have been at 1256 01:19:51,133 --> 01:19:54,333 Speaker 2: work and that mister Trump had more work yet to do. 1257 01:19:55,173 --> 01:20:00,573 Speaker 2: Looks like we may have been right. Americans had a 1258 01:20:00,653 --> 01:20:03,893 Speaker 2: choice to either usher in a new government represented by 1259 01:20:03,973 --> 01:20:07,333 Speaker 2: self aware, hard working men like Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, 1260 01:20:07,413 --> 01:20:12,853 Speaker 2: and Daniah Dana White, or continue to be lectured by 1261 01:20:12,973 --> 01:20:17,533 Speaker 2: self righteous, filthy rich women like Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama, 1262 01:20:17,733 --> 01:20:22,573 Speaker 2: and Beyonce. Trump and Harris represented those two completely opposing worlds. 1263 01:20:23,013 --> 01:20:27,973 Speaker 2: Trump represented the people, Harris represented Hollywood, and in this election, 1264 01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:33,333 Speaker 2: the people hated Hollywood. This election proved that minorities actually 1265 01:20:33,613 --> 01:20:37,333 Speaker 2: want the same thing as the majority of Americans. They 1266 01:20:37,373 --> 01:20:39,813 Speaker 2: want men to be men and women to be women. 1267 01:20:40,053 --> 01:20:43,373 Speaker 2: They want their country's borders to be protected, they want 1268 01:20:43,373 --> 01:20:45,773 Speaker 2: the cost of living to be affordable, they want justice 1269 01:20:45,813 --> 01:20:49,453 Speaker 2: to be done, they want Hollywood to shut the hell up, 1270 01:20:50,453 --> 01:20:53,493 Speaker 2: and they want a president who can relate to them. 1271 01:20:53,533 --> 01:20:57,373 Speaker 2: And as Patrick Basham said in your podcast, Trump has 1272 01:20:57,453 --> 01:21:02,293 Speaker 2: the uncannyability to reach out to normal people, and after 1273 01:21:02,853 --> 01:21:07,013 Speaker 2: the insanity of the Biden Harris administration, normality is exactly 1274 01:21:07,093 --> 01:21:13,013 Speaker 2: what Trump's administration will deliver. Once again. Spectator Australia rightfully 1275 01:21:13,053 --> 01:21:16,333 Speaker 2: proclaims the triumph of Donald Trump is indeed a win, 1276 01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:19,893 Speaker 2: win win, a win for America, a win for democracy 1277 01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:24,813 Speaker 2: and a win for traditional Western values over the insidious socialist, 1278 01:21:24,933 --> 01:21:31,893 Speaker 2: communist Marxist ideology of wokeness. Close quote, Americans have dodged 1279 01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:35,253 Speaker 2: a bullet alongside Trump thanked the Lord Almighty for his 1280 01:21:35,413 --> 01:21:43,093 Speaker 2: mercy upon us in twenty twenty four. You go bet 1281 01:21:43,133 --> 01:21:49,173 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that think along those lines. Well, 1282 01:21:49,253 --> 01:21:53,173 Speaker 2: thank you for your inputness, producer. Can can I see 1283 01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:54,013 Speaker 2: you next week later? 1284 01:21:54,053 --> 01:21:54,893 Speaker 4: That'll be fabulous. 1285 01:21:55,013 --> 01:21:58,453 Speaker 2: I'll look forward to it, maybe before even Thanks so 1286 01:21:58,573 --> 01:22:25,013 Speaker 2: much and so to some post election commentary from a 1287 01:22:25,053 --> 01:22:27,773 Speaker 2: couple of sources. There are so many of them, I'm 1288 01:22:27,893 --> 01:22:30,493 Speaker 2: drowning in them if you can drown in paper. But 1289 01:22:31,533 --> 01:22:34,813 Speaker 2: we'll reserve some of them for future usage, I think. 1290 01:22:35,573 --> 01:22:39,573 Speaker 2: But leading the pact today will be James Bobard, who, I, 1291 01:22:39,573 --> 01:22:43,133 Speaker 2: if I may put it this way, adore his commentaries. 1292 01:22:43,173 --> 01:22:46,693 Speaker 2: That is, after the media complained non stop for months 1293 01:22:46,693 --> 01:22:50,053 Speaker 2: about Donald Trump offering a duck message on the presidential 1294 01:22:50,093 --> 01:22:54,293 Speaker 2: campaign trail. A New York Times headline bewailed his election 1295 01:22:54,453 --> 01:22:59,053 Speaker 2: victory on Wednesday morning, America hires a strong man, so 1296 01:22:59,733 --> 01:23:02,853 Speaker 2: anyone who cast about it became the moral equivalent of 1297 01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:06,893 Speaker 2: a mafia don hiring a hitman. With a question mark. 1298 01:23:07,173 --> 01:23:10,893 Speaker 2: The Times news analysts lamented this was a conquering of 1299 01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:13,613 Speaker 2: the nation, not by force, but with a permission slip. 1300 01:23:14,253 --> 01:23:17,733 Speaker 2: Now America stands on the precipice of an authoritarian style 1301 01:23:17,813 --> 01:23:21,973 Speaker 2: of governance never before seen in its two hundred and 1302 01:23:21,973 --> 01:23:24,893 Speaker 2: forty eight year history. Now, when I was pre reading this, 1303 01:23:25,213 --> 01:23:28,013 Speaker 2: I thought I'm going to have something to say here 1304 01:23:28,093 --> 01:23:31,013 Speaker 2: because it's fairly obvious. And then I read the next 1305 01:23:31,213 --> 01:23:33,133 Speaker 2: paragraph and I thought, well, I can't better it. So 1306 01:23:33,573 --> 01:23:38,173 Speaker 2: this is what Jim said, well, at least never before 1307 01:23:38,213 --> 01:23:41,333 Speaker 2: seen by journalists whose knowledge of history doesn't extend back 1308 01:23:41,373 --> 01:23:45,693 Speaker 2: beyond Taylor Swift's first best selling album. The notion that 1309 01:23:45,773 --> 01:23:49,613 Speaker 2: Trump was a unique threats in American history entitled the 1310 01:23:49,653 --> 01:23:52,733 Speaker 2: media to ignore all the civil liberties abuses of the 1311 01:23:52,813 --> 01:23:58,693 Speaker 2: Biden Harris administration. Coincidentally, that spared many reporters and editorial 1312 01:23:58,693 --> 01:24:04,213 Speaker 2: writers the difficulty of comprehending the policies which they tacitly endorsed. 1313 01:24:04,733 --> 01:24:08,613 Speaker 2: The media betrayed freedom of speech, at least for Americaans 1314 01:24:08,613 --> 01:24:13,773 Speaker 2: who don't have a journalism degree. Biden administration officials conducted 1315 01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:18,333 Speaker 2: potentially quote the most massive attack against free speech in 1316 01:24:18,533 --> 01:24:22,813 Speaker 2: United States history close quote. A federal judge concluded, and 1317 01:24:22,933 --> 01:24:28,093 Speaker 2: a federal appeals court condemned Team Biden for suppressing millions 1318 01:24:28,093 --> 01:24:32,493 Speaker 2: of protected free speech postings by American citizens, mostly by 1319 01:24:32,773 --> 01:24:36,253 Speaker 2: Conservatives and Republicans, But most of the media was the 1320 01:24:36,293 --> 01:24:40,893 Speaker 2: Sherlock Holmes dog that didn't bark when federal agencies browbeat 1321 01:24:40,973 --> 01:24:45,373 Speaker 2: social media companies with endless demands to muzzle and blindfold 1322 01:24:45,533 --> 01:24:50,093 Speaker 2: average Americans. Vice presidential candidate j D. Vance raised the 1323 01:24:50,133 --> 01:24:53,733 Speaker 2: censorship issue during his debate with Governor Tim Waltz, but 1324 01:24:53,853 --> 01:24:57,413 Speaker 2: it got little or no traction beyond his speels. Instead, 1325 01:24:57,653 --> 01:25:01,813 Speaker 2: censorship was championed by the media in recent years as 1326 01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:07,213 Speaker 2: part of a holy crusade against misinformation, that is, facts 1327 01:25:07,253 --> 01:25:12,133 Speaker 2: that are damned inconvenient for the ruling class. Did progressives 1328 01:25:12,133 --> 01:25:15,613 Speaker 2: discover a hidden asterisk to the First Amendment that another 1329 01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:20,973 Speaker 2: fies constitutional rights for anyone who jokes about COVID vaccine mandates? 1330 01:25:21,493 --> 01:25:25,173 Speaker 2: Because it was a self evident truth that Orange Man bad, 1331 01:25:25,813 --> 01:25:28,933 Speaker 2: most reporters and pundits exerted little or no effort to 1332 01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:33,893 Speaker 2: comprehend or expose Biden administration follies and frauds. Almost all 1333 01:25:33,973 --> 01:25:37,613 Speaker 2: the media campaign coverage ignored the risk of World War 1334 01:25:37,693 --> 01:25:41,413 Speaker 2: III thanks to the Biden Harris escalation of the Ukraine 1335 01:25:41,453 --> 01:25:45,373 Speaker 2: Russia War. Why was there no controversy about Biden providing 1336 01:25:45,453 --> 01:25:49,293 Speaker 2: F sixteen jets to Ukraine, potentially enabling Ukraine to attack 1337 01:25:49,373 --> 01:25:54,013 Speaker 2: practically anywhere in Russia with US bombs? Or did the 1338 01:25:54,053 --> 01:25:58,093 Speaker 2: media believe that they had a moral authority to blindly 1339 01:25:58,133 --> 01:26:04,693 Speaker 2: support Ukraine because its president, unlike Putin, supports transgender rights 1340 01:26:05,213 --> 01:26:08,293 Speaker 2: that rule do us about the third of the weights stream, 1341 01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:13,133 Speaker 2: Maybe half the way through. But it's very good James Beauvard, 1342 01:26:13,213 --> 01:26:18,373 Speaker 2: if you want to track it down now. In short, 1343 01:26:18,573 --> 01:26:23,373 Speaker 2: these are dangerous times from James Howard Kunstler. People in 1344 01:26:23,413 --> 01:26:27,173 Speaker 2: the media are aware of how illegitimately they've done their jobs, 1345 01:26:27,613 --> 01:26:30,933 Speaker 2: that they think they're on the verge of being locked up. Now, 1346 01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:34,453 Speaker 2: that was a quote from Scott Adams that he's employed. 1347 01:26:35,333 --> 01:26:38,053 Speaker 2: You must admit it's a little spooky how quickly and 1348 01:26:38,133 --> 01:26:41,813 Speaker 2: rigorously mister Trump intends to deconstruct those parts of the 1349 01:26:41,813 --> 01:26:45,133 Speaker 2: government at war with the people. Clean out rogue bureaucrats, 1350 01:26:45,613 --> 01:26:50,573 Speaker 2: fire hose the malignant agencies, release and expose their document 1351 01:26:50,653 --> 01:26:55,093 Speaker 2: trails on spying, censorship, law fare, and abuse of power. 1352 01:26:55,853 --> 01:26:58,893 Speaker 2: The consequence would be the return of consequence in our 1353 01:26:58,973 --> 01:27:01,093 Speaker 2: national life. I had to read that twice to grasp. 1354 01:27:01,093 --> 01:27:06,213 Speaker 2: But the consequence would be the return of consequence in 1355 01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:09,293 Speaker 2: our national life. It's been absent for so long you 1356 01:27:09,373 --> 01:27:12,453 Speaker 2: can hardly imagine its power to get people's minds right. 1357 01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:16,613 Speaker 2: There are already reports of frenzy among the culpable Department 1358 01:27:16,653 --> 01:27:20,573 Speaker 2: of Justice lawyers, and FBI Director Ray is set to 1359 01:27:20,613 --> 01:27:24,253 Speaker 2: resign before Trump can fire him. Attorney General Merrick Garland 1360 01:27:24,253 --> 01:27:27,933 Speaker 2: has gone radio silent for his own good since election day. 1361 01:27:28,693 --> 01:27:32,733 Speaker 2: Expect many abiding mysteries to get unraveled, such as exactly 1362 01:27:32,853 --> 01:27:36,453 Speaker 2: how many federal agents did work the crowd around the 1363 01:27:36,493 --> 01:27:41,893 Speaker 2: Capitol on j six twenty one, which mister Ray has 1364 01:27:42,013 --> 01:27:46,933 Speaker 2: pretended to not be able to discuss due to ongoing investigations. 1365 01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:50,893 Speaker 2: Expect to learn more about the pipe bomb caper at 1366 01:27:50,893 --> 01:27:55,413 Speaker 2: the DNCHQ a few blocks away the same day. Prepare 1367 01:27:55,413 --> 01:27:58,973 Speaker 2: to be amazed at how deeply criminal these schemes were. 1368 01:27:59,973 --> 01:28:03,213 Speaker 2: You must wonder if the document treading party is already underway, 1369 01:28:03,453 --> 01:28:08,333 Speaker 2: despite calls to preserve all the emails, memos and texts. 1370 01:28:09,053 --> 01:28:12,133 Speaker 2: Then there are the poisoned realms of the intel blob 1371 01:28:12,653 --> 01:28:16,973 Speaker 2: located at CIA, A, Department of Homeland Security, Department of State, 1372 01:28:17,373 --> 01:28:22,653 Speaker 2: Department of Defense, and elsewhere being subject to inquiry and overhaul. 1373 01:28:22,973 --> 01:28:28,893 Speaker 2: Think John Brennan, James Clapper, Bill Maher, Michael Atkinson, Mayorcus 1374 01:28:29,693 --> 01:28:38,293 Speaker 2: Judge Boseburg, Mary McCord, Colonel Vindman, Senator Warner, Avril Haynes, 1375 01:28:38,613 --> 01:28:45,173 Speaker 2: Victoria Newland, Samantha Power, Gina Haspell, Marie Yovanovich, Jen Easterly, 1376 01:28:46,413 --> 01:28:50,293 Speaker 2: all their deputies, all their deputies, and many more unknown 1377 01:28:50,373 --> 01:28:53,253 Speaker 2: to the public. Some of these names may yet seem 1378 01:28:53,293 --> 01:28:57,213 Speaker 2: obscure to you. They were all necked deep in what 1379 01:28:57,333 --> 01:29:02,093 Speaker 2: looks a lot like sedition, treason, real conspiracies, not theories. 1380 01:29:02,773 --> 01:29:05,733 Speaker 2: Even state officials such as New York Attorney General Lea 1381 01:29:05,773 --> 01:29:10,973 Speaker 2: Tisha James, Manhattan DA Elvin Bragg, and Fulton County GA 1382 01:29:11,693 --> 01:29:16,213 Speaker 2: DA Panny Willis would be subject to federal charges under 1383 01:29:16,613 --> 01:29:20,853 Speaker 2: eighteen USC. Section two four to two, which states willful 1384 01:29:20,933 --> 01:29:28,013 Speaker 2: deprovision of constitutional rights acting under color of law. That 1385 01:29:28,173 --> 01:29:32,573 Speaker 2: is exactly what the Trump law fare cases amounted to. Then, 1386 01:29:32,613 --> 01:29:35,853 Speaker 2: of course, there are the long running rumors of pedophilia 1387 01:29:35,893 --> 01:29:39,413 Speaker 2: and human trafficking networks among the elite, the Jeffrey Epstein 1388 01:29:39,493 --> 01:29:42,893 Speaker 2: list and the p. Diddy list. If these things exist 1389 01:29:43,693 --> 01:29:49,533 Speaker 2: and they are released, history would shudder. Then goes on 1390 01:29:49,613 --> 01:29:53,093 Speaker 2: and give some examples, but that will do us. There 1391 01:29:53,173 --> 01:29:58,093 Speaker 2: is lots of good writing, lots of exposure, and there 1392 01:29:58,133 --> 01:30:00,893 Speaker 2: are not going to be easy times for quite a 1393 01:30:00,893 --> 01:30:04,573 Speaker 2: lot of people, and for anybody who just might be 1394 01:30:04,893 --> 01:30:07,413 Speaker 2: of a different school of thought and think this is 1395 01:30:07,453 --> 01:30:10,053 Speaker 2: the authoritarian they're talking about that he's going to turn into. 1396 01:30:10,573 --> 01:30:14,413 Speaker 2: He is going to be a dictator. The answer is no. 1397 01:30:15,573 --> 01:30:21,253 Speaker 2: This is or would be simply pursuing justice and that 1398 01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:24,733 Speaker 2: will take us out for podcast two hundred and sixty five. 1399 01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:28,653 Speaker 2: If you would like to correspond, please do latent at 1400 01:30:28,693 --> 01:30:33,493 Speaker 2: newstalksb dot co dot nz or Carolyn C. A. L. 1401 01:30:33,733 --> 01:30:39,293 Speaker 2: Y N Carolyn at NEWSTALKSB dot co dot nz. We 1402 01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:42,573 Speaker 2: shall return with podcasts number two hundred and sixty six 1403 01:30:43,053 --> 01:30:46,653 Speaker 2: very shortly in the meantime. As always, thank you for 1404 01:30:46,733 --> 01:30:48,653 Speaker 2: listening and we'll talk soon. 1405 01:30:56,493 --> 01:31:00,693 Speaker 1: Thank you for more from Newstalks EDB. Listen live on 1406 01:31:00,853 --> 01:31:03,813 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 1407 01:31:03,853 --> 01:31:06,413 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio