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Speaker 1: Together duper z L.

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Speaker 2: Back to those proposed rules around infant formula. The proposal

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Speaker 2: to the proposal is to white label the cans of

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Speaker 2: formula and then take some of the cans out of supermarkets.

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Speaker 2: And these proposals come from Food Safety of Food Standards

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Speaker 2: Australia and New Zealand. They set the rules around food

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Speaker 2: for both of the countries. But whether this actually happens

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Speaker 2: seems to lie in the hands of the food ministers

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Speaker 2: from both countries. They will meet on Thursday. Our Minister

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Speaker 2: for Food Safety is Andrew Hogart is with me. Now, hey, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: do you like this idea or hate it?

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Speaker 1: Not a Well, there's lots there's about six hundred of

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Speaker 1: pages to the whole standard. Most of it's good. That's

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Speaker 1: part around the labeling requirements we're not in favor of.

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Speaker 1: Why Basically there's an economic costners also a consumer information

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Speaker 1: issue here. You know, it's going to restrict the ability

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Speaker 1: for people to say whether this is organic product, whether

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Speaker 1: it's got A two in it, whether it doesn't contain additives,

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Speaker 1: and a range of other little things like that. That

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Speaker 1: it's sort of all put on the you're only allowed

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Speaker 1: to put it on the nutrition panel on the back,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not happy with not treating people

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Speaker 1: like adults. And then on the economic side, it's going

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Speaker 1: to put our products at a disadvantage in e commerce

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Speaker 1: trade in China compared to European products. So those are

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Speaker 1: sort of the reasons why. You know, it's only a

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Speaker 1: small part of the whole standard. Overall, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of good in the standard, but we're going to ask

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Speaker 1: for a review on this part to try and try

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Speaker 1: and get the whole thing looking good some.

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Speaker 2: Of if you read a little bit in depth in

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Speaker 2: this particular proposal, there's also a call for some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff to be taken off the supermarket shelves and

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Speaker 2: only sold by dietitians and pharmacies and doctors and so on.

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Speaker 2: It's a subcategory called special medical Purpose Products for infants,

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Speaker 2: but we are struggling to figure out exactly what that covers.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, To the best of my knowledge, it's

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Speaker 1: what my second daughter was on. She had reactions to

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Speaker 1: her formula that she was on, and she had to

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Speaker 1: go on to a special product that the doctor recommended

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Speaker 1: so that it wouldn't cause exner in her. And so

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Speaker 1: I mean that was the you know, we found she

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Speaker 1: was getting exmer but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean that can just be that could just be goat milk, right,

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Speaker 2: are we talking about just goat milk?

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Speaker 1: No, we went to goat milk first? Well, yes, no,

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Speaker 1: not goat milk. This will be lectors free. And then

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Speaker 1: it gets even more specialized than that.

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Speaker 2: Andrew at the moment, can you buy that stuff in

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Speaker 2: the supermarket?

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Speaker 1: Apparently yes, but I'm not. I know for us, we

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Speaker 1: actually got it through the chemist and this.

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Speaker 2: Was the German producer who's recently had a baby, says,

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Speaker 2: you can get it on the supermarket shelf. Now what's

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Speaker 2: the thing, Like, what's the logic in this? Why would

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Speaker 2: we take it off the supermarket shows amount? I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go and buy this stuff from

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Speaker 2: my baby. It's expensive if I don't need to, So

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Speaker 2: what are we trying to prevent?

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Speaker 1: To be honest, it's the questions I've been asking, and

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Speaker 1: I'll continue to ask on Thursday. The best answer I've

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Speaker 1: had is that people could be I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think that they're by buying a special product, they're buying

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Speaker 1: something very good for their baby, and they're feeding their

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Speaker 1: babies something they don't need to be fed, so like

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Speaker 1: an elergen free product which may actually encourage eligence later

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Speaker 1: in life. So it's the best example I've been given,

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Speaker 1: but I'll certainly be asking more questions on that one.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, how have we got to the point where we

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Speaker 2: have people who are setting standards for our food treating

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Speaker 2: something which keeps babies alive as a prohibited product.

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Speaker 1: Well, this goes all the way back to how it

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Speaker 1: was the review was set up, where I guess the

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Speaker 1: focus was solely on health and the formula in particular.

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Speaker 1: You've got, coming out of who you know, a real

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Speaker 1: push and it's been there for many years that there

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be very little advertising of infant formula because otherwise

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Speaker 1: taken away from the whole rest best argument, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's the overground writing sort of philosophy behind all

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Quite frankly, I would much prefer that is

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Speaker 1: it safe. If it's safe, then you know, let people

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Speaker 1: make informed choices.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you said you're going to call for a review,

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Speaker 2: which essentially is the thing that kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: that stops this from happening at least to the short term.

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Speaker 1: Are they well reviews the section so I've only got

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Speaker 1: two options. Either I call for a review or I

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Speaker 1: say we'll have modified standard here in New Zealand. So

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Speaker 1: we'll call for a review, and if I'm not supported

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Speaker 1: by the other ministers, then we will in all likelihood

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Speaker 1: call for modify.

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Speaker 2: And what do you mean you must have talked to them, Andrew?

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Speaker 2: Are they going to what are the Australians saying? Are

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Speaker 2: they keen on this?

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Speaker 1: Don't see the issue? And it's fair to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll be raising it again and hopefully they get the

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Speaker 1: sense that I'm pretty strong on this.

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Speaker 2: And how many of these ministers are women.

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Speaker 1: I think I might be in a minority in this group.

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Speaker 1: I think there's one of the worse. I won't come

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Speaker 1: in on that, Heaver, I'll let you do.

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Speaker 2: That, Okay, fair enough. I think there's a wise decision actually, Andrew, okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: just tell me really quickly. So on the review, you

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Speaker 2: call for a review, if they supported, Let's say that

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Speaker 2: there's a review, does that actually stop it in its

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Speaker 2: tracks or does it just delay it?

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Speaker 1: It does the review of Achille for these parts around

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Speaker 1: the labeling requirements of looking into because there wasn't economic

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Speaker 1: analysis done on this part So we're looking at the

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Speaker 1: economic analysis the Empire on particular New Zealand because there

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Speaker 1: are a few reasons if we can call for a review.

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Speaker 1: One is because we don't believe it's consistent with global standards,

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Speaker 1: and there's a part of that because the user they

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Speaker 1: able to not do this stuff, and also economic impact

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Speaker 1: and safety of course, so you know, we'll be focusing

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Speaker 1: on the review around the primarily around the economic impact

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Speaker 1: this would have on New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, best of Lakahi, you're flying out to deal with

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Speaker 2: this tomorrow, so go Well, that's Andrew Hoggard, the Minister

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Speaker 2: for Food Safety. Women. Hey, women, Hay, always the bigger problem,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. It's always women who are the big problem

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Speaker 2: for women. Dudes, chill about this kind of thing. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: That's all we're going to say about it. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they're going to deal with this later on.

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