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Speaker 1: Back to the big call on fast Track yesterday, the

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Speaker 1: expert panel, not the minister that gets the sign off.

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Speaker 1: Now we have applications for almost four hundred projects, which

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Speaker 1: I suppose is good RMA reform. Minister Chris Bishop is

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Speaker 1: with us. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: The backdown itself as far as the final call being

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Speaker 1: for the minister, that part of it, who was it

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Speaker 1: you heard from that made you go, hmm, maybe we

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Speaker 1: overstep the marke here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not any one particular submission. It was just

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Speaker 2: a broad scene coming through the select committee process. Was

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Speaker 2: that people said having three ministers rather than just one

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Speaker 2: as per the current RMA. So just go down to

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Speaker 2: one minister and then when it comes to the final

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Speaker 2: sign off on these projects, the risk of judicial review

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Speaker 2: if you have the minister making the final call, which

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Speaker 2: would actually bop things down and court and actually potentially

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Speaker 2: be counter productive for what you're trying to achieve. So

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Speaker 2: just to do it the same way Labour's fast Track

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Speaker 2: law works, which has let the panel make the final call.

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Speaker 2: So we've eventually agreed with that.

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Speaker 1: In reality, he would a minister have overruled an expert

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Speaker 1: panel anyway?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we would never really know, will we.

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Speaker 2: I suppose the original version of the bill gave us

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Speaker 2: that power to do that as a bit of a backstop.

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Speaker 2: In the end, we decided it wasn't worth doing that,

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Speaker 2: and so we're recommending to the Select Committee to adopt

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Speaker 2: these changes. I think it will make the law more acceptable,

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Speaker 2: and I also think it will make it cleaner and

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Speaker 2: more simpler to get protects done. So in the end, I.

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Speaker 1: Think here's your text morning, Mike. Perhaps you could ask

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Speaker 1: the Minister Bishop if he was expecting twenty nine thousand

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Speaker 1: submissions against fast track, perhaps the risk to their political future,

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Speaker 1: which is what they're warned about when they first announced

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Speaker 1: their version of fast track that has shaped their decision.

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Speaker 2: You say, what, Oh, well, the greatest of respect. I

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Speaker 2: think people want the fust track law, and the variety

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Speaker 2: of polls shown that you're always going to get a

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Speaker 2: few people who disagree with it and disagree with expediting development.

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Speaker 2: But I just make this simple point to people listening

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Speaker 2: and to the people who wrote in. We have a

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Speaker 2: housing crisis, we have an infrastructure debts, we have an

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Speaker 2: economic growth problem in this country, and we have very

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Speaker 2: ambitious climate goals and we have an energy shortage. There

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Speaker 2: is not a single way, not a single hope and

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Speaker 2: how we can address any of those issues with our

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Speaker 2: current planning law. That's why fast Track exists. That's why

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Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty four applications have already applied to

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Speaker 2: be in the Fast Track and most of them are

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Speaker 2: housing projects, infrastructure projects, renewable energy projects, and primary industries projects.

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Speaker 2: That's because people know our current planning law is completely stuff.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a hope of addressing our major economic

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Speaker 2: challenges without planning reform. That's why fast track exists.

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Speaker 1: So we're charging on those three hundred and eighty four

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Speaker 1: that you've got. How many are they genuine? We need

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Speaker 1: to get on and we need to do these now.

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Speaker 1: Projects versus people that I as will join the line.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're working our way through that list. So I

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Speaker 2: can't be too specific with you, but what I would

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Speaker 2: say generally is that there are a lot of projects

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Speaker 2: there that you know, a good solid economic development projects

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Speaker 2: and address all the things that I've talked about. So

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of housing and even development projects. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of a new ordenergy projects, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of infrastructure projects. More broadly, there's a few minds on

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Speaker 2: the list, and there's some quarries. By the way, we

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Speaker 2: need quarries in this country. Not have enough quarries. So

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Speaker 2: we're working away through the list. We've had an independent

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Speaker 2: advisory group give us some advice on that list, and

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Speaker 2: when we're ready to make ANNOUNCEMCE about it will do that.

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Speaker 1: How fast track is it? So if I applied today,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the three hundred and eighty four, when

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Speaker 1: do I get the go ahead or not? Versus when

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Speaker 1: I would have got the go ahead or not under

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Speaker 1: the old system.

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Speaker 2: So if you're included in the legislation that soon to

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Speaker 2: come back from committee, that will be law by the

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Speaker 2: end of the year. We'll get those expert panels stood

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Speaker 2: up probably in the new year realistically, and those projects

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Speaker 2: listed in the bill will automatically go off and it

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Speaker 2: will be a matter of months before those projects are approved.

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Speaker 2: If you're in the initial cranch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, I don't know if you know anything about this,

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Speaker 1: but you're the most senior operator in the government I've

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Speaker 1: got on this morning, answer me this question. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, there's hundreds of nurses who have come

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Speaker 1: in from overseas going to a jobs fair in Auckland. Right,

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Speaker 1: they can't get work for love nor money. Why are

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Speaker 1: we letting people into the country who can't get jobs

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Speaker 1: for love or money? Why when we take a visap

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Speaker 1: to come in as a nurse because we need nurses,

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Speaker 1: aren't people getting employed as nurses? Do you know?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. They'll be probably end up

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Speaker 2: being a disconnect between their way the immigration system works

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Speaker 2: and the way the health system works. Well, that's a

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Speaker 2: good question. I'm sure you have Shane ready on to

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Speaker 2: talk about that, or Eric Stafford on and due course

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Speaker 2: not in my Bellywick, Mic, I know quite a few

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Speaker 2: things were not there.

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Speaker 1: One okay, good on you. I appreciate your honesty. Chris

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Speaker 1: Bishop and Lucky Hours. Right, so at least I've got

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Speaker 1: Shane Ritti's in the Pacific Islands at the moment as

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