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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondents with US. Hello, Berry, good afternoon, Heather. Alrighty,

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Speaker 1: So what happened with Penny Henare What do you know?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm up in Whitehungy at the moment, and all

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Speaker 2: the players, of course are here. There's Willy Jackson, Chris Sipkins,

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Speaker 2: and Penny Henard himself. And I noticed when the paths

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Speaker 2: of Christopher Luxon and Penny Henarre crosspaths. Luxon, as he's

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Speaker 2: wont to do, gave him a big hug, which was

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Speaker 2: quite interesting. But look, it's clear to me now having

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Speaker 2: talked around the traps, that there was a standoff. There

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Speaker 2: is some bad blood in the Labor Party about all

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Speaker 2: of this, because essentially, Penny Henard and Willy Jackson, who's

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Speaker 2: the chair of the Maldi Caucus and the campaign chair

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Speaker 2: for the Labor Party, didn't really see eye to eye

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Speaker 2: on very much at all. Penni Hena I always felt

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Speaker 2: that he was on the outside and after thought in

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Speaker 2: the Labor Party caucus. Given the fact that he was

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Speaker 2: the most senior member of the Maori Labor Caucus. He

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Speaker 2: felt that I think that he should have been taken

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Speaker 2: a bit more notice of. He wasn't and therefore he

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Speaker 2: decided that he would move on. Interestingly, I think and

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk around from the people

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Speaker 2: that have been talking to about Napooi, which is the

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Speaker 2: local harpoo here. They are bout the biggest in the

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Speaker 2: country with one hundred and eighty five thousand members. And

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Speaker 2: the thing is whither they are the only big harpoo

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Speaker 2: that haven't had a treaty settlement, essentially because they can't

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Speaker 2: agree with each other. Well, I look at when I

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Speaker 2: ran into Penny Hena and I said to him, well,

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Speaker 2: what about the negotiator for the Napooh settlement. And funnily enough,

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Speaker 2: a number of years ago, in part Chris Finlayson, who

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Speaker 2: was the treaty negotiations minister, he endorsed him, endorsed Penny

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Speaker 2: Henade way back then as saying, this man is in

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Speaker 2: the wrong place. He shouldn't be in Parliament, he should

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Speaker 2: be out negotiating the police settlement. So who knows with

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Speaker 2: the embrace of Chris Laxen, and now Penny Henade being

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Speaker 2: a free agent, who knows what might happen?

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Speaker 1: And so what was the answer when you put it

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Speaker 1: to him? What did he say?

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Speaker 2: Oh, certainly not averse to it, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: I think I think essentially there will be a job

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Speaker 2: like that waiting in the wings for him, and it'll

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Speaker 2: be a few weeks before he steps out of Parliament,

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Speaker 2: and because he's a list MP, he doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: worry too much about replacements and what have you. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think you'll be gone a couple of weeks and

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Speaker 2: there will be jobs in the offering for him.

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Speaker 1: How the Prime Minister's meeting with the Ewee chairs go, Oh, well.

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Speaker 2: It was two hours and essentially it was a very

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Speaker 2: large meeting involving all the ew chair at the chairs

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Speaker 2: forum and eight cabinet ministers were there. Now they were

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Speaker 2: each introduced to the forum and each tribe was talked

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Speaker 2: to by either the minister or the Prime Minister. And

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Speaker 2: even though Thomas Poltucker said, look, you know they were

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Speaker 2: quite aggressive at times, Luxon obviously heard a bit of

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Speaker 2: a different story because he sort of said, well, it

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Speaker 2: was much more progressive than that, and Mardy understood that

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Speaker 2: what we're trying to do. Well, you know, they both

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Speaker 2: they all came out of the meeting and they seemed

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Speaker 2: very happy with the results. So I think these EWEI

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Speaker 2: four are the best place for basically the leaders of

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Speaker 2: political parties because they're private and the EWE chairs can

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Speaker 2: meet and have what at least as a reasonable respectful discussion,

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Speaker 2: and that's what they had today.

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Speaker 1: And as the Marti Queen turned up, is.

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Speaker 2: She yeah, well there was a big palphyry on the

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Speaker 2: treaty grounds at one o'clock this afternoon. And interestingly when

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Speaker 2: she was shown on with a lot of pomp and

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Speaker 2: ceremony to the White Tongui meeting House that there were

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Speaker 2: words spoken before she was welcomed on to the Marai

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Speaker 2: and every speech that was made reminded those who were

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Speaker 2: listening that this is election year. So look, the election

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Speaker 2: is very important. And it's interesting now because I think

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Speaker 2: the Maori Party I haven't heard them mentioned and all

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Speaker 2: the time I've been here today. But certainly the play

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Speaker 2: between Penny here, the Labor Party and Maori some Mardi

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Speaker 2: seeing is the not being very well done by the government.

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Speaker 2: That is the talk and the election is the key.

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Speaker 1: Barry, thanks very much, enjoy your time up there. That's

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Speaker 1: Barry Sober, senior political correspondent.

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