1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: It is twenty six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: International Realty Fink You're one of a kind. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Jack Tame, host of Saturday mornings here on News Talks. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: He'd be and Q and A on TV one as 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: with us, Hey Jack, hey, right, good to have you 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: on and David Pharos with us Caurier Poster and KIWI Blog. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Hey David, Now let's start with the Russia situation, well, 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: the Ukraine Russia situation. We had an expert from Curtain 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: University on this afternoon. He reckoned David that the Russians 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: are going to need some kind of give from the 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: Americans before they'll sign a ceasefire for thirty days. I 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 2: mean that seems pretty reasonable. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: Look, I think after hey, CEESPA will happen because that 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 3: doesn't strategically weaken Russia. In fact, it's probably helpful to them. 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: It gives some time to resupply, get supply routes through. 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: So SEESPA will probably happen much much much harder is 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: the permanent cease far because the one thing that Ukraine 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: needs is the security guarantee, and it's the one thing 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: Russia is dead see aggains because then they wouldn't be 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: able to just resume the war in a few years time. 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where this whole backstop in Europe's trying 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: to step up. And there's a meeting in Paris tonight 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: to try and create some coalition of the willing jack. 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I mean I think I think Europe will 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: have to coalesce in a way that perhaps they couldn't 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: have imagined the European leaders couldn't have imagined just six 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: months ago, and perhaps in a way that has been 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: overdue for some time. But I think David's assessment is 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: quite right. I think the thirty day cease fire at 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: least seems like maybe slightly more likely than not at 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: the moment. I mean, we've seen the kind of behavior 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: from both sides that you would usually expect before a 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: cease fire, which is to say that both launched weathering 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: attacks on each other. But it's curious, right because so far, 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 4: at least under the Trump administration, that the Vladimir Putin 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: and the Russians haven't had to give much, right, they've 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: kind of been delivers and all of this so far, 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: they haven't to give anything. Really, all of the pressure 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: has been on Zelenski, and in a way, I suppose 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: the Ukrainians have called the Russian bluff. But David's quite right, 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: like thirty day seas fire is by no means a 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: commitment to end the conflict right now, and I'm sure 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 4: that the Russians will be using that time to entrench 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: their position even further, if not strength in it. And yeah, yeah, 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: the real question comes down to whether or not the 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: Ukrainians can expect any sort of security guarantee. I think 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: it's inevitable that Russia is going to be keeping large 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 4: swaths of territory, But it's whether or not a lot 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: of Messolenski can get anything out of this negotiation that 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: will make Ukrainians feel safe for going forward. 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is funny, though, isn't it, David? Would we 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: be sitting here talking about even the potential of a 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: thirty day season if Biden was still in office. 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: We probably wouldn't be. But getching a stop to the 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: war is easy if one side surrenders, you know, is 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: a stopping the war's easy? Stopping the war? What the 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 3: right outcome is much harder? 59 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: Ye, I guess the question is would we would we 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: be sitting here imagining a future where Ukraine had zero 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: security guarantees and the war was coming to an end. 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: I guess that's the other way to flip around that question. 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: And perhaps we would have seen a ceasefire. I suspect 64 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: it would have taken a whole lot longer. And there'll 65 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: be people who think that Trump's quite right and hastening 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: the process. But I suppose it all depends on the outcome. 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: And if the long term outcome is one that makes 68 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: Ukraine less secure, less safe, potentially less democratic, then there'll 69 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: be many who argue that actually we shouldn't be ending 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: the conflict. 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: And on top of that, you've got this issue that 72 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: you've got the US on one side and now seemingly 73 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: Europe on the other. And while the US might get 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: people to agree to things, will Europe. You know, So 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: it's very complicated. 76 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: with local and global. 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: Reach thirteen to six on News Talks, MB Jack Tayman, 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: David Fair with me for the huddle tonight. Now, this 80 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: investment summit is well, it should be getting on the 81 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: way very shortly. Actually, their Prime Minister is going to 82 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: speak today, tomorrow and Friday, Jack, what does what does 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: success look like? Or Yeah, how do you even measure 84 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: success for something like this or is it just the 85 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: fact that it's happening, that's that's good. 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it certainly started off as a 87 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: kind of symbolic exercise, right, And I suppose one of 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 4: the measures will be how many projects and the PPP 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: opportunities the government is actually able to put up that 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: might you know, tangibly attract international investment. I mean, there's 91 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: going to be a fair bit of rah rah about 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: the whole thing. You know. I think it's going to 93 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: be really interesting to see whether or not the Prime 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 4: Minister and his cabinet make any comments about the previous government. 95 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 4: I think I think it's in all New Zealander's interests 96 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: to have a kind of bipartisan approach and it and 97 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 4: it's good to see that, you know, barbar Evans and 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 4: some laboring peace are going. 99 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: To be there. 100 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I suppose the real test comes from 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 4: what projects they can can put up. And already Chris 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: Bishop has kind of suggested that this is a bit 103 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: of a you know, and a moose boosh when it 104 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: comes to attracting foreign investment. I don't think we're going 105 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: to see trillions of dollars of projects put up tomorrow. 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 4: But really this is an effort to signal to the 107 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: world that New Zealand's up for business. 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, David, I'm interested to see because you know they've said, oh, 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: this fund is coming, and that fund is coming. Actually, 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: how high up the food chain that people are representing 111 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: those companies, Like, are we getting day from a councilor 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: Susie from HR or just you know, any old Joe 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: Bloggs who worked for their businesses coming or are we 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: getting the head on shows well day. 115 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: Through accounts for some of these companies probably still has 116 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: a fusty billion dollar budget. 117 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 4: DA from Account's actually makes the decision, but. 118 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: Lot success is hard to meet. 119 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: It. 120 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: There's two things, which is quality and quantity of who's 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: turned up. The second one we won't know for two 122 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: or three years, which is do we actually then see 123 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: a significant increase in investment leading to more jobs, etc. 124 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: The first one is easy to calculate and we'll know 125 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: that within a week. The second one is going to 126 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: take more time and you're never going to know is 127 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: this because of the investment summit, etc. 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, just finally before we go the bin's issues 129 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: read its head again. In huangan Nui, the council has 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: decided to ditch their plans for a food scrap bin, 131 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: even though they already brought nineteen thousand of them and 132 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: slap the council logo on the side. They're going to 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: have to throw those in the bin now because they're 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: just really unpopular and also they add to your rate spell, 135 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: which is obviously not what people want at this time. Jack, 136 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: are you are you at home home composter? 137 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Do you know? 138 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: I'm an at home composter and I'm an at home 139 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: worm binner, But I'm also a user of the little 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: green bins because you can't. I can't put like meat 141 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 4: and bread in my compost and my word bin and 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: my worm bin, so I put that in the in 143 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: the green bin. And the one thing I actually really 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: like about the green bins is I think having consistency 145 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: nationwide about what you can throw out, recycle, put in 146 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: food bins and stuff, I think that is really good. 147 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, if anyone's got a bright idea with what 148 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: Wanganui Distant Council can do with's nineteen thousand of these things. 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: I'm sure they're all is. 150 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: Well in Auckland. I know because we did this on 151 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: Telly a few years ago, where I think only forty 152 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: percent of people use them in Auckland, and a lot 153 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: of people are emailing and saying they're perfect for the 154 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: kid's lego. So if you've got lego around the house 155 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: or toys, yeah, it's a great one. 156 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 4: That's a great suggestion. 157 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: So that's a really good suggestion. 158 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, David, what about you? Are you like Jack? Are 159 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: you a compost them? 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: And I used three where I lived on the Lifestyle Block, etc. 161 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: But not at the moment. But funnily enough, the more people, 162 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: the fact we already have so many people who already 163 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: compose as an argument against a very expensive curbside food 164 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: scraps program because you've already got those who are motivated 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: doing it. And there was research done by Ministry for 166 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 3: the Environment on why more people where there are food 167 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: scrap services don't use them because only one and four 168 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: use them on a regular basis. And the biggest thing 169 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: is people just don't like the smell. They don't want 170 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: smelly food scraps sitting around the house all week, and 171 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: that's you know, perfectly natural. So I think it was 172 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: a dart policy to be honest, to start with, as 173 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: just a pussy. They waited until they ordered ninety thousand 174 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: bids before they changed their mind. 175 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Cletainly is they're all now going in the bin themselves, 176 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: of course. Thank you, Thank you, guys, David Ferrer and 177 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: Jack Tame. 178 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: For more from Hither duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to 179 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: news talks it Be from four pm weekdays, or follow 180 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.