1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Remember in twenty twenty when the government passed the law 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: to ban smoking and vaping in the car with kids, 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Remember that, And they said they'd go out there and 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: they would slap you with a fine or I didn't know, 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: drag you off and. 6 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: A rest you. 7 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Well, it turns out not a single person has been 8 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: even fined. The cops said a year ago that they've 9 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: got computer system and problems. Apparently computer says no won't 10 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: allow them to issue fines, and so they didn't. They 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: also didn't believe it was the right way. They were 12 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: taking a health first approach. 13 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: At the time. 14 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: The minister told them to sort it out, but it 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: still hasn't happened. Apparently Mark Mitchell is the police minister 16 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: with me this morning. Minister, good morning, good morning Ron. 17 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: And you're the only one that i'd get up at 18 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: quarter past five in the morning to discuss fape with. Mate, 19 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: I'll tell you that. 20 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, well, I'm happy, I'm happy you're here. I'm happy 21 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: you're here. It because because look, I don't think you'll 22 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: be listened to. It's important you listened to. 23 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: But what's going on listening to her? Right? I'm listening 24 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: to her right, don't you worry that might have been 25 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: the previous government's priority. My priority was stopping ram raids, 26 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: getting on top of aggravated robbery violent crime, which under 27 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: the previous government six years as a country we've seen skyrocket. 28 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: The police are about. 29 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: They're voping in cars, are smoking in cars. 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm just addressing the point that you're saying. Are the 31 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: police listening to me? Absolutely they are. They're responding to 32 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: my expectation that I released publicly. 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: On this one. Are they listening on this one? 34 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: Well, the vaping is that you're going to talk to 35 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: the police. That is an operational issue, and so they're 36 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 3: very clear about the fact that they prefer a health 37 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: response around this, and that is quite simple educating parents 38 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: not to do it, and I totally support them in 39 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: that view. However, however, there is legislation there. They're looking 40 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: at how they can operationalize that. That does mean trying 41 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: to come up with a fines type system. 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: Here's the problem, and do work on that. 43 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's all great, but here's the problem. The law 44 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: was passed back in twenty twenty. How is it that 45 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: we're almost in twenty twenty six and they have never 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: bothered to come up with a system to introduce a 47 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: fine that Parliament said was a potential punishment. 48 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of things. Number one, 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: I think that it is an operational question around how 50 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: they operational? Operational is it that is for police? 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: But don't think number two you. 52 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: Have to do it number two. But the important thing 53 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: is to your question is there was a change of 54 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: government with a different set of priorities, and my priorities 55 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: the ministers the incoming minister is that we had seen 56 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 3: a massive increase in violent crime and total communities were 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: no longer. 58 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: You are not wrong and you're not wrong. But I 59 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: guess the thing is is it sort of just up 60 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: to police what they do. I mean, Parliament can say, yeah, 61 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: our pass this law. I want to do this, and 62 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: I want to do that, and here's the punishments, and 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: police are like, well we like that one and we 64 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: don't like that one, so we'll make up our own minds. 65 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: No, I think that the Parliament sides to give police 66 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: powers and then police have to use have used judicial 67 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: use of those powers. I can't interfere operationally. There is 68 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: a separation that's extremely important that that is in place. 69 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: I don't get to tell the police choquestion of how 70 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: or when he's going to deploy his staff. What I 71 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: do is I set our policies in terms of public safety, 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: which I very clearly did, and I released my letter 73 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: publicly when I became minister, and there was a big 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: focus on increasing visibility, on getting on top of violent crime. 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 3: That was my propos were my priority enough and the 76 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: police and the police are responding to those priorities. 77 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, fair enough. 78 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: Hey, just before we go this idea of sort of 79 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: banning that do police need more powers to move on 80 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: homeless people or beggars or rough sleepers? 81 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is this is the Labor Party 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: trying to create a whole lot of hysteria around the 83 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: fact that they're trying to create the impression that we 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: won't let people come into Auckland cvds. That is not true. 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: Quite simply, what we are trying to doing, working hard 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: on is making sure it's a really complex issue. When 87 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: I sort of when I was dealing with reducing violent 88 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: crime in our Auckland CBD, which the police have been 89 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: very successful at doing, we had fifteen rough sleepers, most 90 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: of them had somewhere to go and sleep, most of 91 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: them had a residence that they go and sleep. They're 92 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: making a community that they're making a decision to congregate 93 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: as a community in the CBD and what there's a 94 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: whole lot of social issues there. There's intimidation issues, there 95 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: was risks to the public and there was risk to 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: themselves as well. 97 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: So did they have home, Yes, they. 98 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: Had absolutely, absolutely so. But what we're doing as we're 99 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: recognizing and saying that there's a homelessness problem, I am 100 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: I am reinstating in one working very closely with with 101 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: Simeon Brown on this, who's the Minister for Auckland And 102 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: I'm reinstating my stakeholder group which is the heart of 103 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 3: the city, residence and rape pass groups, social service providers, 104 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: government agencies, local government, CPNZ, Mary Warden's We all came together. 105 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: It was very effective in dealing with the crime. 106 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: And did they want your homelessness ban? 107 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot of discussion around there. Absolutely 108 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: when we were talking at when we're discussing this, that's 109 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: not part of the government agenda at the moment, it's 110 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: it is certainly We've got a private members bill in 111 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: the Biscuit team from Ryan Hamilton, a very good one 112 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: that he's brought forward, which is a move on order 113 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: which gives the police the ability to go and pick 114 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: someone up that is living on the street, that is 115 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: in danger, that it is current problems for members of 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: the public and move them to a safe location with 117 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 3: them to a. 118 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: House, not to the next minister. I hope we have 119 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: to leave it there. I appreciate your time this morning. 120 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: That is Mark Mitchell, Policemanister. 121 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 122 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: to news Talks there'd be from five am weekdays, or 123 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.