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Speaker 1: Joining the huddle tonight. Clear Delort journalist is with us.

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Speaker 1: High clear, great, thank you and good to have you

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Speaker 1: here in the studio with me. Nick leg gets here

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Speaker 1: as well, Infrastructure and Z chief executive. Hey Nick, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Hi Nick. Good to have you guys here. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with this. Do you to either of you clear, do

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Speaker 1: you have Sky? And if do you and do you

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Speaker 1: have it for the rugby or do you know people

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Speaker 1: who have it? Is it for sport? Well?

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Speaker 2: We do have Sky, and it is a bit of

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Speaker 2: a joke in my sort of friendship group hashtag sport

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Speaker 2: is my life.

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Speaker 1: Not really, but sport is the.

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Speaker 2: Very important part of that package for at least one

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Speaker 2: person in the household. And and I think if it

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Speaker 2: wasn't part of it, no, there would not there would

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Speaker 2: not be a need for it. So and I know

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Speaker 2: some people who only have it for the sport, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think what is Sky without rugby?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. The good thing about Sky, well apart from

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Speaker 1: just recently where they've had some migration issues to a

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Speaker 1: new satellite, but the good thing Nick about Sky is

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Speaker 1: that it's not streaming, so it does you know, there

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Speaker 1: are no glitches generally, it's satellite and it's good quality

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Speaker 1: when you're watching rugby or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right, and it's it's a way

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Speaker 3: that people have come to expect that they can access

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Speaker 3: their rugby and other sport. And I mean, like Clare,

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Speaker 3: there is a Sky subscription in our house. It's actually

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Speaker 3: my father in laws and rugby is a big is

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Speaker 3: a big component of that. The other part, of course

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Speaker 3: is things like CNN and Fox, which are important part

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Speaker 3: of the of the package. But look, I mean I

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Speaker 3: think what people will be wanting to know here is

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Speaker 3: that is our access to rugby preserved and is it

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Speaker 3: going to be affordable? And that is what will be

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Speaker 3: important to most New Zealanders. So I guess getting it

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Speaker 3: sorted out is going to be quite critical just to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Maybean building that audience for rugby

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Speaker 2: is really important because there is competition nipping away. I

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Speaker 1: I think, how was it called it rowdy?

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Speaker 2: It looks that, you know, it was fantastic. The atmosphere

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Speaker 2: was great, good started at five, out at seven, incredibly

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Speaker 2: well organized and I was very impressed. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if that takes off, they've got competition in our biggest city.

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Speaker 1: Well they do, and it has, I mean it has

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Speaker 1: taken off. They've sold out what every single game or

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Speaker 1: nearly every single game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maintaining that is always going to be

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Speaker 2: a challenge because the initial enthusiasm is there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you hope, for example, if this does own gets involved,

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Speaker 2: that Tarlene Blavatnik is personally very invested in it because

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Speaker 2: he's worth about thirty two billion dollars. Wow, so you

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Speaker 2: want to hope he really likes rugby personally, certainly do.

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Speaker 2: That makes a hell of a difference to whether they

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Speaker 1: The Anios guy said he liked rugby and he was

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Speaker 1: worth plenty of billions too. Where's he gone?

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Speaker 2: They're a bit flaky?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Let's move on to talk about the violent crime stats.

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Speaker 1: So the numbers down two percent, but the minister's sort

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Speaker 1: even taken some from Twitter. Nonetheless, there does seem to

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Speaker 1: be a feeling amongst people that violent crime and the

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Speaker 1: down a little bit neck Is that fair?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think it's a very good early indicator. I mean,

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Speaker 3: when you look at that within the context of pretty

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Speaker 3: dire economic circumstances, for the country to think that actions

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Speaker 3: tell you, Ryan, it's really nice to have some good news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It did feel good

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if people are feeling safer, they're going to

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Speaker 1: So you know they did say I did notice a

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Speaker 2: Yes, always have your basis just an outclause.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a moment with the huddle.

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Speaker 1: And where with the huddle? Tonight's clear delort journalists here

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Speaker 1: and Nick Leggett infrastructure and is in chief executive. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back guys, Nick, you're in Wellington. How is the news

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Speaker 1: going down that Tory Farno was pulling out of her month?

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Speaker 1: Was it monthly or fortnightly? I think it was only

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Speaker 1: monthly appearance with Nick Mills from News Talks, he'd be

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Speaker 1: a regular slot with him, and she said, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: my media offering. How's it going down in Wellington?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think it obviously comes on the back of

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Speaker 3: quite a drop. And look, people have been surprised. Wellington

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Speaker 3: Mornings with Nick Mills is a top rated show in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Nick has done a great job of building the audience

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Speaker 3: over time, and people do listen. The other point about

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Speaker 3: it is surprising, and it does seem as though in

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Speaker 3: really deny yourself an audience of several thousand people of

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Speaker 1: I did think it an odd moode. In fact, when

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Speaker 2: Yet I think she has committed to standing again. Really Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of party politically should really be above party politics. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to immess yourself in one party more

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Speaker 1: No, well, I mean I think we can all say

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean people want certainty on that. They

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Speaker 3: Claire said, what I like about local government is that often,

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Speaker 1: Just finally, we're talking as soon as we're talking politics

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Speaker 1: the language that the government's using, it is starting to annoy. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: for time Memoriam. But in describing Andrew Bailey's discussion as

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Speaker 1: the mic hossing breakfast this morning's it pains to avoid

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Speaker 1: saying that he would have sacked the guy had he

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Speaker 2: Well, in regard to that particular issue with Andrew Bailey,

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Speaker 2: I just cannot understand how somebody who has had media

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Speaker 2: So I think that it doesn't serve christ Rehluxing very

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Speaker 2: good communicator. He knew what to deliver. Someone's got to

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Speaker 2: so he didn't have anything to lose by looking very exactly.

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Speaker 3: I wondered the same thing, why would it have hurt

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Speaker 3: to have said this in that situation? And it does?

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Speaker 3: It just it stopped the Prime minister's interview from being

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Speaker 3: able to cover things that actually most of us are

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Speaker 3: more interested in. Like I know the media wants to

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Speaker 3: know all the ins and outs, but actually most people

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Speaker 3: out in the public, we know that Andrew Bailey's gone,

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Speaker 3: He's resigned. Okay, made you know, did something silly, Let's

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Speaker 3: move on. But it sort of keeps it going. And

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Speaker 3: I do, like most of us do want to Actually

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Speaker 3: we're we're more interested in other things once the issue

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Speaker 3: has been dealt with. But I do think that not

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Speaker 3: answering a question directly gives it fuels the fire that

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Speaker 3: probably the government don't want to. It's a fire that

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Speaker 3: don't want fueled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'd be very interesting to see how long

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Speaker 2: this drags out politically, because I heard a journalist positing today, well,

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Speaker 2: we didn't have, technically speaking, a minister of acc over

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Speaker 2: the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I heard that and I just thought.

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Speaker 2: That did us no harm.

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Speaker 1: No, the country has not crumbled.

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Speaker 2: No, and the Prime Minister can always step in in

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Speaker 2: the absence of a minister. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. Clear, Thank you very much for that, Nick,

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Speaker 1: you too, Clear to lord journalist nickli Get Infrastructures in

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