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Speaker 2: My old Man's a dustman. He wears our dustman's hat,

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Speaker 2: he wears all blimeyat trousers, and he lives in the

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Speaker 2: council flat. That's a spoiler for what happens at the

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Speaker 2: end of the show, and nearly happens. There was a

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Speaker 2: song my dad used to sing when he was taking

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Speaker 2: didn't know it was a real song.

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Speaker 3: You thought your dad had made that song up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I didn't really know what a dustman was

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Speaker 2: because because dust bins used to be something before rubbish bins,

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Speaker 2: So obviously when he was a kid he hit that,

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Speaker 2: so HiT's My old man's a dustman. He wears our

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Speaker 2: dustman's hat, he wears called blimey trousers, and he lives

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Speaker 2: And then I heard there's a song one day years later,

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Speaker 2: and I went, my dad didn't make that song. Dust

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Speaker 2: man Bnnie Donaghan, but that's the end of the show

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Speaker 2: that will come up. We also get into a heated discussion.

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Speaker 2: A woman called Sirah who didn't like me, rang up

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Speaker 2: and she had a point to make and I talked

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Speaker 2: over and made people angry and angry at her and

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Speaker 2: angry at me, and it was a great time.

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Speaker 3: She got upset about sport, upset about skateboarders, upset about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah she did. But it was a great discussion. And

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Speaker 2: he was on safety and we talk about the Challenger,

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Speaker 2: the Space Shuttle. We talk about a bunch of different

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Speaker 1: Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Maddie

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: With the Volvo XC nighty on news Talk sev Well,

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Speaker 3: good eight to you, Welcome into the show. Seven past one, Maddie.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I was punishing everyone telling them about the TV

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Speaker 2: show and watching called the Terra Yep, which is it's

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Speaker 2: actually the reason the old TV show, but it's on

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Speaker 2: TVZ plus. I've only just discovered it and it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It's about boats in eighteen fifty stuck in the ice

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Speaker 2: and some crazy stuff that happens, the era of us

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Speaker 2: and the terror of the name of the Boats. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I finished it last night. I've binged ten episodes in

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Speaker 2: about two days and the end does not disappoint.

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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, So you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I thoroughly recommended that show. I turned to my

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Speaker 2: partner Tracy, and I said, that might be the best

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Speaker 2: television show I've ever watched.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and she said us high praise.

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Speaker 2: She said, I hated it. It was very grim duck

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Speaker 2: and I see it. But the grimness is amazing in it,

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Speaker 2: but a rawness. It's so incredibly well acted and shot,

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Speaker 2: and the story is incredible, and you know there's elements

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Speaker 2: based on the true story and stuff in it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: once again, two days in a row. I recommend the Terra.

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Speaker 3: And I think there is that season one. It's an anthology,

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Speaker 3: is that what you call it?

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Speaker 2: There's yes, so it's an anthology series. Not each episode

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Speaker 2: isn't an anthology series like the Twilight Zone, but the

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Speaker 2: series it's the third series is coming out soon. There's

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Speaker 2: the second series is totally different than set in Japan.

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Speaker 2: Love it, but I'm refusing to watch that because I

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Speaker 2: don't want to watch anymore if it's not set with

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Speaker 2: these people and the suits.

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Speaker 3: West Passage. Yeah, yeah, too good.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was so despoiled when I saw the

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Speaker 2: second episode wasn't stuck in the same round. But you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'll get over myself and watch up. But the

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Speaker 2: tear ladies and gentlemen I thoroughly recommend at TVNZ plus.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful onto the show today. Let's have a chat about statues.

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Speaker 3: They the good people of Kuro down in the South Island.

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Speaker 3: They have long wanted a statue for one of their best,

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Speaker 2: Town of three ninety. When you say one of their best,

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Speaker 2: I mean Richie mccau's technically the bookest name out of Kudo.

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Speaker 3: Well you say that, but we've already had texts from

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Speaker 3: and I'm just reading this verbatim Presbyterian Minister of Kudo

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Speaker 3: I should I should Apprecreid that it sounds like a

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Speaker 2: Add to that wide praise. But Richie mccaught, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, did Arnold get a World Cup for

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: But no, this is going to be a broken foot

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Speaker 3: But does Richie mccaugh deserve a statue? I'm sure he'd

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Speaker 3: be quite proud if he got his statue. He isn't

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Speaker 3: asked for it himself. Let's make that perfectly clear. But

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you got to ask yourself. In terms

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Speaker 2: It's something people can come and look at. Statues have

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Speaker 2: I was saying before to you, Tyler, I was saying,

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Speaker 2: I was saying, it's not even on the way anywhere, really,

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Speaker 3: I think it would pull some people in some times.

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Speaker 2: But the question is who's worthy of a statue? Do

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Speaker 2: I think I personally on four statues and celebrating great

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Speaker 3: Your pro statue.

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Speaker 2: I'm very pro statue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know that.

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Speaker 2: And how else do you you know? There's there's only

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Speaker 2: I think the statue is the best. And you've got

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Speaker 2: copper or whatever. You've got to find New Zealand's Michael

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Speaker 3: Well, they need fifty K to build the statue. What

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Speaker 3: about just a nice bust of Richie? Does that go

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think you've got to have the

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Speaker 2: photo with the bloody Richie's statue. Sweet, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollarsn't seen much. I mean, as I keep saying,

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Speaker 2: we spend a lot of money on stupid stuff in

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Speaker 3: We certainly do. Yeah, that is quite right, but we're

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Speaker 3: going to open it up to you, dear listeners. After

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Speaker 3: three statue love it. After two o'clock getting rid of

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Speaker 3: All in the act of saving a bit of money,

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Speaker 3: going to be one of their core things they do.

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Speaker 3: That's lazy.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to remove absolutely everything else frivolous that you're

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Speaker 2: of all your fun projects, all your little things. That

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Speaker 3: No cycle ways, well not not even that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, what whatever? I mean, This is the basic.

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Speaker 2: All that stuff bins is the absolute basic. You can't

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Speaker 2: go through the budget, you know. It's like me going

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Speaker 2: and going I'm going to remove kids' shoes from the budget.

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Speaker 2: It's the basics. As a parent, I have to provide

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Speaker 2: you pride some bins.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's very well said Matt's and ordinarily when

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Speaker 3: I read that, I kind of agreed with you, and

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Speaker 3: as someone who's got a dog, when they took away

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Speaker 3: But whatever happened to taking personal responsibility of just cleaning

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I get that. But so you think considering the

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Speaker 2: you think all those people are something going to make

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Speaker 3: Public shaming is what those people.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of public shaming.

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Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, But that is half to two o'clock

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Speaker 3: because right now we're going to be talking about safety

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, we getting too risk averse in this country.

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Speaker 2: these days, and he he he posted this. When did

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Speaker 2: we become a nation obsessed with appeasing the gods of

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Speaker 2: health and safety? This is something I've been chewing over

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Speaker 2: the summer period, whilst engaging in some risk taking behavior

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Speaker 2: and drinking beer. Frankly, I'm surprised these haven't been sacrificed

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Speaker 2: pods and robes. Very well, but in all seriousness, says

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Speaker 2: mea Brown, we have a boy cried wolf problem when

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Speaker 2: it comes to risk mitigation. I'm astonished by the number

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Speaker 2: of traffic cones and fifty kilimint are signs. I drove

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Speaker 2: us only discover no actual work being done. As former

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Speaker 2: that the word reasonable has been replaced by all. Even

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Speaker 2: Brownie's pool and the viaduct basin suffered confusing safety signage.

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Speaker 3: I should have just rebelled and said I am changing

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Speaker 3: that blomen light bulb.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous because you've got to ask, you know,

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Speaker 2: in a country that has low productivity, and you've got

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Speaker 2: to ask yourself, does is is it weighted away from

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Speaker 2: being bil taking risks, starting new adventures? Is it is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it too far awaited away from that towards safety,

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Speaker 2: which is which is a form of control. You know,

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Speaker 2: safe safety is you know, you know, you know nothing

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Speaker 2: will ever get done if you one hundred percent safety.

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Speaker 2: If that's where you're tending towards that means absolutely nothing happens.

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Speaker 3: Ever, I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if

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Speaker 3: you work in the trade, or in any industry for

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Speaker 3: that matter, love to hear from you. Is the balance

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Speaker 3: right at the moment? Or is Wayne Brown right? Are

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Speaker 3: we playing it too safe? In New Zealand And twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five it is twenty seven past one back in

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Speaker 3: a moment.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Inflation has unchanged two point two percent for the year

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Speaker 11: of December. Non tradeables coming down, So does this give

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Speaker 11: the banks some confidence start dropping rates?

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Speaker 2: Steve Yukovic, HVY Banks CEO. Does it give you confidence?

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Speaker 12: Yes, it does, And I think you know where we

460
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Speaker 12: price rates from, which is the two year mark is

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Speaker 12: actually looking pretty stable.

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Speaker 11: And obviously the non trade coming down is good. But

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Speaker 11: are you worried about the exchange rate?

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Speaker 13: Here?

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 12: I mean the fact that our interest rates are coming

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Speaker 12: down makes the New Zealand dollar less attractive, which means

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Speaker 12: everything that we import by petrol and things like that

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Speaker 12: goes up and fries that. Ultimately, it looks like people's

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Speaker 12: confidence is picking up slightly, and we think the second

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Speaker 12: half of this calendar year will be much better.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on the Mic, hosting breakfasts back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with a Vita Retirement Communities on news togs

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Speaker 1: b Well.

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Speaker 2: From the show, James, do you think our country is

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Speaker 2: becoming true risk averse?

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Speaker 9: What it can tell you, guys is so I we

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Speaker 9: can construction then and Fletcher construction on their sites, on

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Speaker 9: some of their sites. I'm not sure if it's of

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Speaker 9: course the country. But you can't even use a a

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Speaker 9: frame leather called an a frame leaders or a step letter.

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Speaker 9: What do you've got it? Well, because it's because it

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Speaker 9: is dangerous. But the alternative for you is to come

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Speaker 9: up with a with a better way of doing the

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Speaker 9: job and design a safety plan to do the to

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Speaker 9: do the task. Oh man, Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: And and what what kind of safety plan can you

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Speaker 2: put together to get get you up there without a

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Speaker 2: step ladder?

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Speaker 9: Okay, they might want for example, you might want to

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Speaker 9: use a there's those small mobile elevator work platforms. There

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Speaker 9: are small ones, a scissor lift something like that or yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so for the job that you need to do, James,

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Speaker 3: and the step ladder is about you know, three or

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Speaker 3: three or four steps, right, and so to get a

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Speaker 3: scissor ladder that seems way over the top for a

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Speaker 3: job that what would probably take you five minutes to

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Speaker 3: set up the step ladder, Get up there, clip off

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Speaker 3: the wire or or hammer and nail and then you're done.

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Speaker 9: I think you're right there, because you know, we're thinking

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Speaker 9: about what's proportionate to the to the task in cost

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Speaker 9: to to say a small to medium enterprise construction business

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Speaker 9: who's doing the job. But look, I can give you

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Speaker 9: one of the reasons why why step ladders and actually

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Speaker 9: fletchers is not the only one that's banning step leaders.

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Speaker 9: I can tell you one good reason why is that

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Speaker 9: you fall from a step ladder. There are more injuries,

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Speaker 9: more serious injuries off a step ladder because the distance

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Speaker 9: between where you come off the step ladder and the

510
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Speaker 9: ground is too short, and it doesn't give you time

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Speaker 9: to correct yourself. You know what, you know what I

512
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Speaker 9: mean to land on your feet, right, if you're coming

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Speaker 9: off a roof, you've got time, You've got time to

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Speaker 9: brace yourself and for the four will land on your feet, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: But the injuries would be less bad though, wouldn't they

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking like a rolled ankle.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, no, there will there will, there will be.

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Speaker 9: There will vary depending where they are. You know, they

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Speaker 9: might be working over some a concrete plan or there

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Speaker 9: could be Reba robs sticking up. Would you editration?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so James, So do you think that that's

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Speaker 2: a good rule? Then do you think that that that

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Speaker 2: the step leg ladders are so dangerous that that risk

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Speaker 2: over over succeeds that you know, is higher than the danger,

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Speaker 2: higher than the value of the convenience of it, I

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Speaker 2: guess is the way I want to say.

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Speaker 9: No, I don't think so, No, I don't. I think well,

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Speaker 9: actually I think that it's a bit over the top

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Speaker 9: of the Yeah, you know, I think residential construction work,

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Speaker 9: I think that will be okay. You know, commercial and

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Speaker 9: residential constructs are two different, completely open environments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can fall down and I have a

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Speaker 2: number of times. You can fall down the stairs in

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Speaker 2: your house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can fall over a curb and again

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Speaker 3: I've done that many times. James. Thank you very much, mate,

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Speaker 3: but you appreciate you calling through. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. We're going to

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Speaker 3: get to the headlines. But do you think that's a

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Speaker 3: flip thing or that's because the regulation fleatures are so

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Speaker 3: shit scared of someone falling off a stip letter.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about your language.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought i'd just chuck out a we are

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Speaker 3: we is bomb there because my hosking does it all

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Speaker 3: the time, and he's yeah, but he's my costin and

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Speaker 3: he's the best of us. He's the best of us.

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Speaker 3: Just tiss the water, sorry, because that's so scared of

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Speaker 3: being fined or work safe coming for them?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean obviously, because you know they want

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Speaker 2: to get through the job as quickly as they can

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Speaker 2: and make money off it, don't they. But they also

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Speaker 2: have to weigh it up between the regulations above them.

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Speaker 2: And I think Wayne Brown put it the the catastrophic

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Speaker 2: consequences for you if something goes wrong and the where

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Speaker 2: the blame is apportioned right, so that it creates a

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Speaker 2: culture where things just get safer and safer because people

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Speaker 2: are looking after their own asses and you can kind

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Speaker 2: of start to understand it language. Sorry, but Mike Costing.

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Speaker 3: Eight and eighty, it's the number to call. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: six to two baconam.

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Speaker 14: Youth talks at be headlines with blue bubble tax things.

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Speaker 14: That's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Government's creating

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Speaker 14: a new agency Invest New Zealand to attract overseas investors

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Speaker 14: for infrastructure and other key sectors. The Prime Ministers just

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Speaker 14: announced the move in his annual State of the Nation address.

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Speaker 14: The seven Crown Research Institutes are being reduced to three

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Speaker 14: public research organizations and a new group will focus on AI.

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Speaker 14: The partner of an Australian diplomat has pleaded guilty to

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Speaker 14: common assault during a Wellington night out. He has interim

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Speaker 14: name suppression and will apply for discharge without conviction. More

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Speaker 14: than thirty three thousand people got work and canceled job

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Speaker 14: seeker benefits in the six months to December. Sanctions against

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Speaker 14: beneficiaries more than doubled for the same time. Otigo Regional

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Speaker 14: councilors taking Queenstown's Council to court to force it to

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Speaker 14: stop its shot over wastewater treatment plant discharging contaminants. Driven

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleene. We have asked the question,

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Speaker 3: are we to risk adverse in New Zealand Way Browns

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Speaker 3: gently think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's I think it's bigger than

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Speaker 2: just risk averse and all the safety that we get,

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Speaker 2: you know, pushed upon us. I think we're so. I

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Speaker 2: think it's as I think that permeates across the whole

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Speaker 2: of our society and as a country. And I think

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Speaker 2: you want to be a country whose main principles are

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Speaker 2: to be bold and take risks for the good, because

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Speaker 2: not taking risks is a risk that your country will

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Speaker 2: not have the wealth in the future or the things

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Speaker 2: to be proud of in the future to really be

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Speaker 2: a country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely. Plenty of great techs coming through on nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two. This one get ae guys. Many years

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Speaker 3: ago I fell off a two story building and had

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Speaker 3: no time to correct myself. But accedents are just that accidents.

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Speaker 3: You can't idiot proof the world. That was my responsibility

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Speaker 3: not my companies from m.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and there's no doubt there's a balance, right,

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Speaker 2: we're just saying the balance has gone too far. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's obviously you know, Victorian times that were

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Speaker 2: doing terrible things in factories and didn't care about anyone,

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Speaker 2: you know, the kids, kids and the machinery and you know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying get rid of all of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, and Wayne Brown seems to be saying

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Speaker 2: that it's just gone too far, and that's I think

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Speaker 2: that's a huge danger for your country when you're not

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Speaker 2: all about number eight fencing wire ingenuity and taking risks

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Speaker 2: and being bold.

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Speaker 3: Ben, what's your take on this?

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Speaker 8: Hi, Gas, Thanks taking the well. Yeah, it's an interesting

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Speaker 8: topic for conversation. I'm a health and safety manager, and

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Speaker 8: I spend most of my time negotiating the waters between

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Speaker 8: let's get the done, how do we do it safely?

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Speaker 8: But most of the time the safety regulations. It's not

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Speaker 8: actually the regulations that are the problem. It's not the

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Speaker 8: Health and Safety at Work acts because if you interpret

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Speaker 8: that probably through a proper lens, it's not really telling

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Speaker 8: you that you've got to do all these things like

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Speaker 8: us a scissor lift to access something. For fletchers, you

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Speaker 8: could use a step. Matter. But a lot of companies

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Speaker 8: or there say a lot of health and safety professionals

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Speaker 8: are self imposing these regulations for whatever reason you might think.

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Speaker 8: Is it to make a name for themselves, is it

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Speaker 8: so that they feel self worth in their jobs, or

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Speaker 8: is it actually so that those companies can look good

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Speaker 8: to win contracts? And I think that's probably what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because I was wondering before, because it's very

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Speaker 2: hard to it's also very hard to argue against safety. Right,

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Speaker 2: so someone can make their way up into a company,

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Speaker 2: into an executive decision decision is the safety person. And

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Speaker 2: then when they sit around you know what if boardroom

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Speaker 2: table and say on the safety person, it's very hard

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Speaker 2: for someone to say, well, that's crazy, you can't be

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Speaker 2: that safe, because then they can point to accidents and

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Speaker 2: terrible things that have happened. So would you say this

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Speaker 2: is true that not all safety regulations are instilled for safety.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are instilled by people for political power

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Speaker 2: in companies or for self ingrandiation If that's a word,

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Speaker 2: is it ingradiation? Someone will tell me?

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Speaker 8: But perhaps perhaps I mean it does boil down to,

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Speaker 8: you know, the quality of the top heads of the

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Speaker 8: companies and the sort of advice that they are getting

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Speaker 8: from their safety professionals. We've got to remember, what we

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Speaker 8: don't want to do is kill people, right, We don't

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Speaker 8: want to do that. We don't want people to go

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Speaker 8: to work and be build because some rich bloke has

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Speaker 8: got some land and he wants to build a building,

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Speaker 8: and he gets a company that's a rich company and

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Speaker 8: they want to build a building. And then your son

653
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Speaker 8: or your grandson ends up working there as an apprentice,

654
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Speaker 8: and they're just being flippant with the risks and leaving

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Speaker 8: people exposed to open edges and things like that. And

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Speaker 8: then someone trips and falls off the edge of a building. Yes,

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Speaker 8: that's an accident, but it easily controlled by putting barriers

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Speaker 8: in place. And so there's some middle ground, and it

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Speaker 8: is complex. I think we have gone too far, but

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Speaker 8: I think the guy called up about fletchers and we've

661
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Speaker 8: got the same problems. It's you know, I've got a chat.

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Speaker 8: He stepped down off a step ladder on a site recently,

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Speaker 8: and their safety person contacted me. He twisted his ankle

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Speaker 8: stepping off an a frame, step ladder, and how are

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Speaker 8: you going to stop a similar incident happening again. I'm not,

666
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Speaker 8: you know, I'm not going to stop that from happening

667
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Speaker 8: again and do what you want with that. You know what,

668
00:31:01,813 --> 00:31:04,893
Speaker 8: we have to accept some risk. What we don't want

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Speaker 8: to do is kill people. So if you're using a frain,

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Speaker 8: we want to make sure that the crane is managed properly.

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Speaker 8: We want to make sure that it's got all its

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Speaker 8: change checked and that the people using it are competent.

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Speaker 8: That that should be the focus. But we get so

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Speaker 8: lost in slips, trips and falls and you know, hand

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Speaker 8: hand injuries that maybe we're not focusing on the critical risk.

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Speaker 2: It's going to there's going to have to be some

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Speaker 2: rolled ankles if we're going to get the job done.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what you're saying, at your cost of progress,

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Speaker 2: you don't want any head snipped off.

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Speaker 8: I feel like rolling an ankle is a human problem.

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Speaker 8: It's not a safety problem. Humans twist their ankles. Humans

682
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Speaker 8: straining themselves. You might be picking up your kid and

683
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Speaker 8: strain your wrist. You might be picking up something that

684
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Speaker 8: weighs ten kilograms at work and sprain your wrist, and

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Speaker 8: I don't think we're safe to have a problem with that,

686
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Speaker 8: But sometimes the safety profession has a problem with that,

687
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Speaker 8: and we need to be careful that we don't go

688
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Speaker 8: down the same road as the UK or Australia which

689
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Speaker 8: often held up as this, look at their safety stuff,

690
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Speaker 8: but everything is so regulated, but we can't get they

691
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Speaker 8: cant they can't get anything done easily.

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Speaker 2: I think when you see there, that's instinct. Being as

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Speaker 2: the safety profession. There is money to be made in

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Speaker 2: safety and more safety regulations and more safety advice. And

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Speaker 2: it's a difficult one when you can't argue against it,

696
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Speaker 2: because it will just grow and grow and grow and

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Speaker 2: grow till we get things that are absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: I'll give you a good example now, and I hope

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Speaker 8: that you'll be affronted by this as i am. You

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Speaker 8: had the chat call them before and he spoke about

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Speaker 8: sizzle lifts, right, yep, So to operate a sizzle lift.

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Speaker 8: It's not regulated that you must even have a certification

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Speaker 8: to operate a sizzl lift. They are fairly simple that

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Speaker 8: up down, forward, backard was left right, very very simple,

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Speaker 8: you know. But to be safe, let's do let's go

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Speaker 8: and do some training send them on a training course.

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Speaker 8: They get a certification, then then use they then use it.

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Speaker 8: After two years is you have to send them on

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Speaker 8: the course again because the certification expires. So every two

710
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Speaker 8: years you have to send them on a course which

711
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Speaker 8: costs about three or four hundred dollars. Wow, it's supposed

712
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Speaker 8: to be a half day course. The guys go, they

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Speaker 8: go somewhere, they go in and out of some cones,

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Speaker 8: they go up and down, and then the company pays

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Speaker 8: four hundred dollars, thank you very much. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 8: that is imposed.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about the main contractor

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking Ben, because there is money to

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Speaker 2: be made in making the regulation that they have to

720
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Speaker 2: set the course again and again and again. So not

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Speaker 2: all safety is about safety. Some of it about money,

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Speaker 2: and some of it is about power. Hey, can you

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Speaker 2: can you stick with us just for a bert I've

724
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Speaker 2: just got to go away for a second and come

725
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Speaker 2: back because I've got I've got a question to like

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Speaker 2: to ask us. You bean, if you could hang around

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Speaker 2: for a few minutes, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Great, just hold their bean. It always a quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon Talk, Matt and Tyler afternoons

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Speaker 1: with the Volvo x C ninety turn every journey into

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Speaker 1: something special.

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Speaker 2: Call news Talk, sai'd be. We're talking about risk. Have

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Speaker 2: we become to risk a verse in this country? And

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Speaker 2: is that dangerous for our future? We've got Ben on

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Speaker 2: the line, who's a health and safety advisor. I said,

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Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, Ben, and we kept

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Speaker 2: you over the break for it. So you said before

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Speaker 2: that we don't want anyone to die. And I started

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Speaker 2: the show by talking about doctor William Lucas, who was

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Speaker 2: the director of the National NASA Marshall Space Flight Center

741
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six when the Challenger exploded, losing success

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Speaker 2: naughts and a teacher who was on the flight, and

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Speaker 2: I played some audio from him and he said, thirty

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Speaker 2: years later, how did he feel about it? And he

745
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Speaker 2: said he didn't feel bad about it. He felt sorry

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Speaker 2: that the people die, but he thought for a nation

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Speaker 2: to be great, it had to take risks, and great

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Speaker 2: nations do things like going into space, so risk needed

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Speaker 2: to be had. So would you ever accept as he did,

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Speaker 2: that some goals are so big that they are worth

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Speaker 2: the risk of losing some live for.

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Speaker 8: You know, I heard that segment and do you know

753
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Speaker 8: what it made me think of immediately? It made me

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Speaker 8: think of you know, if you hark back to when

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Speaker 8: we used to just send people off the war. But

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Speaker 8: it wasn't our kids we sent off the war, is

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Speaker 8: what they stayed. To the politicians, I'd probably say the

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00:35:25,773 --> 00:35:27,653
Speaker 8: same thing to him, mate, I'd be like, is it

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Speaker 8: your kid going up in that flight? And if it was,

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Speaker 8: I think I think.

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Speaker 15: He's got a right to say that.

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Speaker 2: I would actually agree with that, being with not with

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Speaker 2: the astronauts, And I think the big problem with that,

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Speaker 2: and this is getting off topic a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: I think because that was a problem between politics and

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Speaker 2: science and this and NASA trying to get the Space

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Speaker 2: Shuttle into place. So they had said that the space

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Speaker 2: Shuttle was something that can easily safely take people in space.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't. It was still a highly risky thing that

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Speaker 2: only astronauts have been on. So the publicity department from

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Speaker 2: NASA put the teacher on the flight, Krista mcayliffe, to

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Speaker 2: prove that it was an everyday thing. These space shuttles.

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Speaker 2: That's why they were called the shuttle, the space Shuttle.

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Speaker 2: They weren't yet, So yeah, I think you're right they

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00:36:10,613 --> 00:36:14,253
Speaker 2: told Yeah, I think those success to what's gone in

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00:36:14,293 --> 00:36:16,413
Speaker 2: there and were well aware of the danger and what

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00:36:16,493 --> 00:36:18,973
Speaker 2: they were signing up for because they wanted to be esteroids.

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Speaker 2: But I think the problem there and you're right being

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Speaker 2: around that. You know, they should never have put Chrysta

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Speaker 2: up there if they weren't willing to.

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Speaker 3: Put their own kids on there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: But just going back to our own situation, Ben, because

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Speaker 3: a lot of the changes came from Pipe River mid disaster, right,

784
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Speaker 3: we can all agree knowing what happened there, that was

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Speaker 3: a disaster and a lot of health and safety cockups

786
00:36:37,693 --> 00:36:40,853
Speaker 3: were made terrible decisions. But just on the basis of

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Speaker 3: that one tragedy, and it was a tragedy to flow

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Speaker 3: that through the all industry in New Zealand, does that

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Speaker 3: not just seem like a massive knee jerk reaction when

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Speaker 3: it's not like for like, I think you.

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Speaker 8: Were my two cents worth just on that whole scenario.

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Speaker 8: I think the creative work safe and the new regulations

793
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Speaker 8: was a good thing for New Zealand. I think that

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Speaker 8: companies and health and safety people panics with any regulations

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Speaker 8: and they just overregulated themselves without properly interpreting what we're

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Speaker 8: safe for actually saying, and what the government was saying

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Speaker 8: with the regulations and the Act. And then what's happened

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Speaker 8: is chronically underfunded the regulator, so the regulator can't come

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Speaker 8: out to business and actually help there. They're just there

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Speaker 8: to say and after an accident, why you were wrong.

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Speaker 8: They don't have enough money and enough inspectors and enough

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Speaker 8: help available to come out to business and say, gigo,

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Speaker 8: this is how we can help you. They just don't

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Speaker 8: have the money to do that. So I'm not one

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Speaker 8: for being on work safe side. But in their defense,

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Speaker 8: they're like seven hundred people to regulate the whole country.

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Speaker 2: So I've been We've got enough off again, but I've

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Speaker 2: just got one really really quick question for you go

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Speaker 2: before we go. Yeah, have you ever seen safety regulations

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Speaker 2: rolled back? Or do they just get layered on and

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Speaker 2: layered on. M No, I've noticed he got back to

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Speaker 2: it thanks to cool Ben. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much. It is eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 3: Back in the mow.

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Speaker 1: Mattis Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo

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Speaker 1: XC ninety tick every box.

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Speaker 4: A seamless experience awaits news dogs be.

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Speaker 3: Peter, Welcome to the show. You're an ex health and

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Speaker 3: safety practitioner.

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Speaker 16: I am thirty ideas. I know we don't have a

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Speaker 16: lot of time, but I've got experience in manufacturing, aviation,

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Speaker 16: petter chemical, construction, roading, and a few others. Look, I

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Speaker 16: agree with a lot of what Ben just said, and

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Speaker 16: I've through the time that i've been there, I've seen

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Speaker 16: it go from nothing to somewhere over the top in places.

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Speaker 10: But it is how people.

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Speaker 16: Interpret the requirements, interpret the rules and the legislation. And

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Speaker 16: I mean the health and safety is a good thing

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Speaker 16: and it keeps does keep people safe if it's done

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Speaker 16: in the right manner. And if you talk about the

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Speaker 16: likes of construction industry and petrochemical especially, you need to

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Speaker 16: have those rules in there and you need to have

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Speaker 16: that health and safety practices in there. And unfortunately, in

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Speaker 16: my time, I've seen a couple of deaths, in fact,

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Speaker 16: one or two more than a couple of deaths, and

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Speaker 16: all of those if there has been an adequate risk

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Speaker 16: assessment carried out and the proper risk controls put in place,

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Speaker 16: those deaths probably or they certainly would not have occurred.

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Speaker 16: And so I sort of look at it more from

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Speaker 16: a big getting big picture. Somebody climbing up a ladder,

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Speaker 16: they don't really need to have somebody at the bottom

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Speaker 16: holding it if it's an a frame ladder. And I

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Speaker 16: think if companies are imposing that on their stuff, then

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Speaker 16: that's a little bit ridiculous and people tend to take

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Speaker 16: shortcuts because of it. If you look at somebody climbing

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Speaker 16: up a pole doing electrical work, generally they don't have

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Speaker 16: anybody at the bottom of the ladder apart from when

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Speaker 16: they start, because they spread the letter to the poll.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, thank you very much. We're going to pick

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Speaker 3: this back up after two o'clock. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the text number. New Sport and Weather on

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Speaker 3: its way. Very good afternoon to you. You're listening to

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Speaker 3: mattin Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC

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Speaker 1: ninety News talks.

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Speaker 3: eNB Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Been having

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Speaker 3: a great discussion about health and safety in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of days ago Auklamia, Wayne Brown wrote

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Speaker 2: this article featuring this fantastic line. I thought, Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 2: now live in the age where tolerance for risk is

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Speaker 2: low and appetite for blame when something at verse happens

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Speaker 2: is high. Work safe rush to justify their existence by

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Speaker 2: making recommendations like more signage, more guardrails, more fences, more lifeguards,

867
00:41:01,973 --> 00:41:04,813
Speaker 2: none of which are ever subject to even the slightest

868
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:07,733
Speaker 2: cost benefit thinking. And you know, I was talking to

869
00:41:08,613 --> 00:41:11,573
Speaker 2: a health and safety advisor been before, and I asked,

870
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:14,853
Speaker 2: has he ever seen a safety regulation removed? They just

871
00:41:14,933 --> 00:41:17,613
Speaker 2: get layered on and layered on and layd on. And

872
00:41:17,973 --> 00:41:19,773
Speaker 2: as he points out, we don't want people to die,

873
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:23,732
Speaker 2: but obviously it can go too far to the point

874
00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:26,093
Speaker 2: where nothing can get done. And productivity is a huge

875
00:41:26,133 --> 00:41:30,133
Speaker 2: problem in our country. And look, speaking of death this

876
00:41:30,413 --> 00:41:32,213
Speaker 2: I saw this at the same time as I was

877
00:41:32,213 --> 00:41:34,453
Speaker 2: saying at the start of the last Hour, as I

878
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:36,053
Speaker 2: saw this thing from Wayne Brown, as the same time

879
00:41:36,053 --> 00:41:38,173
Speaker 2: as I was watching a documentary on the Challenger disaster.

880
00:41:38,773 --> 00:41:42,413
Speaker 2: And that was a disaster in which successtronauts and a

881
00:41:42,493 --> 00:41:46,573
Speaker 2: teacher that was on there for publicity purposes died. But

882
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:50,493
Speaker 2: as I played before, doctor Lucas, the director of the

883
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:53,973
Speaker 2: NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and director when the Challenger exploded,

884
00:41:54,453 --> 00:41:58,053
Speaker 2: had this to say, all these years later after the disaster.

885
00:41:58,133 --> 00:42:00,373
Speaker 5: Thirty years have not changed the way I talk about

886
00:42:00,373 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 5: it at all. Going in the space is something that

887
00:42:04,213 --> 00:42:09,373
Speaker 5: the great countries do. They want advanced technology, they want

888
00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:13,973
Speaker 5: to learn, and it's also risk here you have to

889
00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:14,893
Speaker 5: take some chances.

890
00:42:15,373 --> 00:42:17,373
Speaker 2: Those two things came together in my mind and I thought,

891
00:42:17,373 --> 00:42:19,373
Speaker 2: if we're a country that just gets more and more

892
00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:22,493
Speaker 2: safe and more and more risk averse, are we even

893
00:42:22,493 --> 00:42:24,413
Speaker 2: going to do the bold, great things that we need

894
00:42:24,493 --> 00:42:26,533
Speaker 2: to do and does that end up becoming the danger

895
00:42:26,573 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 2: because the country doesn't have the wealth, it doesn't have

896
00:42:29,253 --> 00:42:31,573
Speaker 2: the motivation, it doesn't have the direction that a country

897
00:42:31,693 --> 00:42:35,453
Speaker 2: needs to make people healthy, wealthy and successful.

898
00:42:35,573 --> 00:42:37,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was something about the she'll be right attitude,

899
00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:39,692
Speaker 3: and I know that gets a lot of stick as oh,

900
00:42:39,813 --> 00:42:41,613
Speaker 3: you know where she'll be right. Got a lot of

901
00:42:41,653 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 3: people hurt and some people killed, and as you said before,

902
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:49,093
Speaker 3: we don't want to have people die. But when these

903
00:42:49,293 --> 00:42:51,453
Speaker 3: regulations have gone to the extent that they've got. You're

904
00:42:51,493 --> 00:42:53,933
Speaker 3: quite right, productivity prime style hold, and we're not she'll

905
00:42:53,973 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 3: be right anymore?

906
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:58,413
Speaker 2: Well would America? America lost three astronauts right at the

907
00:42:58,453 --> 00:43:00,293
Speaker 2: start of their polar missions, but they went to space.

908
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,733
Speaker 2: Does anyone ever say that that that wasn't worth the

909
00:43:02,853 --> 00:43:04,493
Speaker 2: risk getting to the moon?

910
00:43:04,733 --> 00:43:07,813
Speaker 3: Very few, very few, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

911
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,973
Speaker 3: But to call Jell, how are you this afternoon?

912
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:13,333
Speaker 17: I'm good? Thank you? How are you good?

913
00:43:13,813 --> 00:43:14,693
Speaker 3: What's your take on this?

914
00:43:15,813 --> 00:43:18,293
Speaker 17: Well, I just wondered if you'd heard the acc ads

915
00:43:18,453 --> 00:43:22,373
Speaker 17: on the radio. One of them is if you're going

916
00:43:22,413 --> 00:43:26,173
Speaker 17: to go out and do something heather m moment, and

917
00:43:26,373 --> 00:43:29,933
Speaker 17: the other one is if you get hurt, who gets harmed?

918
00:43:31,333 --> 00:43:34,213
Speaker 17: And these are the acc ads. So basically I wouldn't

919
00:43:34,253 --> 00:43:36,573
Speaker 17: leave my front door and keep my car in the

920
00:43:36,653 --> 00:43:38,453
Speaker 17: morning because I might get harmed.

921
00:43:39,213 --> 00:43:42,533
Speaker 2: I know, those ads drive me crazy, Gel because it's

922
00:43:42,613 --> 00:43:45,933
Speaker 2: like saying, before you do something fun, just think about

923
00:43:46,013 --> 00:43:49,093
Speaker 2: everything else and stop that. There's something so depressing and

924
00:43:49,253 --> 00:43:52,333
Speaker 2: oppressive about those ads. And I get the accs trying

925
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:53,933
Speaker 2: to do their job and keep their money that you

926
00:43:53,973 --> 00:43:55,933
Speaker 2: know what they have to put out down. But as

927
00:43:55,973 --> 00:43:59,053
Speaker 2: a country that always just stops before they play a

928
00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:02,853
Speaker 2: game of rugby and thinks about who will who who?

929
00:44:02,933 --> 00:44:04,373
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just who's going to get hurt

930
00:44:04,413 --> 00:44:04,973
Speaker 3: in a tackle?

931
00:44:05,093 --> 00:44:05,293
Speaker 14: Yeah?

932
00:44:05,533 --> 00:44:07,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of it is, don't We don't.

933
00:44:07,373 --> 00:44:09,933
Speaker 3: We kind of have a anyway, not to that extent,

934
00:44:10,053 --> 00:44:13,533
Speaker 3: but we're kind of where as individuals sizing up the

935
00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:15,733
Speaker 3: risk and the return that will get if we just

936
00:44:15,853 --> 00:44:18,172
Speaker 3: roll the dice. I certainly do every day. And if

937
00:44:18,213 --> 00:44:19,733
Speaker 3: I want to roll the dice and do something a

938
00:44:19,813 --> 00:44:21,773
Speaker 3: little bit silly and I might get hurt, well I'm

939
00:44:21,813 --> 00:44:23,413
Speaker 3: going to do that because sometimes it's fun.

940
00:44:24,813 --> 00:44:31,652
Speaker 17: Well, you'd never do anything. I wield a knife all

941
00:44:31,733 --> 00:44:34,053
Speaker 17: day in my job, and every time I pick that

942
00:44:34,173 --> 00:44:36,652
Speaker 17: knife up there's a potential that I'll cut myself. Yeah,

943
00:44:37,693 --> 00:44:38,973
Speaker 17: but that's how I make my money.

944
00:44:39,253 --> 00:44:39,453
Speaker 8: Yeah.

945
00:44:39,973 --> 00:44:42,653
Speaker 2: And what are you wielding that knife for?

946
00:44:43,493 --> 00:44:45,213
Speaker 17: I make magnetic fly screens.

947
00:44:45,613 --> 00:44:49,333
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, interesting one out.

948
00:44:49,213 --> 00:44:52,133
Speaker 17: There for magic seal. If you've got bugs in your house,

949
00:44:52,573 --> 00:44:53,293
Speaker 17: give us a ring.

950
00:44:54,213 --> 00:44:58,693
Speaker 2: Did you say, magic fuel, magic seal, Magic seal seal?

951
00:44:58,853 --> 00:44:59,213
Speaker 18: All right?

952
00:44:59,733 --> 00:45:05,053
Speaker 2: Handmade by Jill from Napier Mate. Thank you so much

953
00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:05,533
Speaker 2: for your call.

954
00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:08,133
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jill, on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

955
00:45:08,413 --> 00:45:10,453
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a fair point, doesn't it that that's

956
00:45:11,053 --> 00:45:13,813
Speaker 3: having a hmmm, we're not going to get it.

957
00:45:14,053 --> 00:45:14,573
Speaker 4: You're not going to do.

958
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:15,053
Speaker 14: This.

959
00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,212
Speaker 2: Thing about ACC is that they just they don't want

960
00:45:17,213 --> 00:45:19,053
Speaker 2: to have to pay out on your sprain ankle. But

961
00:45:19,213 --> 00:45:21,533
Speaker 2: sprain ankle, big deal, Break an arm, big deal. I mean,

962
00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:23,413
Speaker 2: there's a there's a lot of things that you can

963
00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:25,292
Speaker 2: do in life on the way to having fun before

964
00:45:25,373 --> 00:45:27,613
Speaker 2: you kill yourself. You know, there's a there's a lot

965
00:45:27,653 --> 00:45:29,933
Speaker 2: of danger in an. ACC's remit is to try and

966
00:45:30,013 --> 00:45:32,173
Speaker 2: keep those down. You know, they don't want you slipping

967
00:45:32,253 --> 00:45:35,133
Speaker 2: over and then them having to pay for a physiotherapist. Right,

968
00:45:35,613 --> 00:45:38,333
Speaker 2: But you if you never risk doing anything in life

969
00:45:38,373 --> 00:45:40,293
Speaker 2: that ended up with you maybe breaking an arm or

970
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,453
Speaker 2: going to see a physiotherapist, you'd have a pretty lame

971
00:45:42,533 --> 00:45:43,333
Speaker 2: and pathetic life.

972
00:45:43,453 --> 00:45:44,093
Speaker 3: You certainly would.

973
00:45:44,213 --> 00:45:46,813
Speaker 2: So you understand it from ACC's perspective, but you've got

974
00:45:46,853 --> 00:45:49,733
Speaker 2: to understand it from your own perspective, and your perspective

975
00:45:49,893 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 2: is to go hard and have a good time.

976
00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:54,293
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call

977
00:45:54,373 --> 00:45:55,252
Speaker 3: nicely put Matt.

978
00:45:55,413 --> 00:46:00,653
Speaker 1: It is twelve fast too, your new home of Afternoon

979
00:46:00,773 --> 00:46:04,813
Speaker 1: Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety

980
00:46:04,973 --> 00:46:06,973
Speaker 1: turn every journey into something special.

981
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:10,093
Speaker 4: Call eight hundred eight News Talk said, be.

982
00:46:11,693 --> 00:46:14,093
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Quarter past two. We've been talking about health

983
00:46:14,133 --> 00:46:16,172
Speaker 3: and safety in New Zealand on the back of an

984
00:46:16,533 --> 00:46:19,733
Speaker 3: opinion piece spy Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown? Are we playing

985
00:46:19,773 --> 00:46:22,973
Speaker 3: it too safe for these days? He certainly thinks we are. Matt,

986
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:25,853
Speaker 3: you certainly think we are. Love to hear from you

987
00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:28,933
Speaker 3: on oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty some great tests

988
00:46:29,013 --> 00:46:32,293
Speaker 3: coming through on nine two ninety two. Guys, trouble with

989
00:46:32,733 --> 00:46:34,933
Speaker 3: health and safety no common sense. A lot of times

990
00:46:35,013 --> 00:46:37,652
Speaker 3: health and safety people have no clue of the job

991
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:39,813
Speaker 3: the person has to do. The only health and safety

992
00:46:39,853 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 3: people that are worthwhile are the ones with the experience

993
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:43,533
Speaker 3: for that kind of work.

994
00:46:43,573 --> 00:46:46,252
Speaker 2: From Steve the Sex, it says, you guys have to agree,

995
00:46:46,293 --> 00:46:49,413
Speaker 2: it's no fun having someone else wiping your backside. Teenagers

996
00:46:49,453 --> 00:46:51,933
Speaker 2: and young adults make bad decision and makes them think

997
00:46:52,253 --> 00:46:54,893
Speaker 2: that's not a bad thing. From Graham, Now we're talking

998
00:46:54,893 --> 00:46:57,693
Speaker 2: about that acc ad I think it makes young of

999
00:46:57,773 --> 00:46:59,933
Speaker 2: anything that's going to make young people do stupider things

1000
00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:03,573
Speaker 2: because it's so condescending, have a hm, are you going

1001
00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:07,093
Speaker 2: to be hever that the line between the line between

1002
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 2: helping and being condesce ending to the citizens of a nation.

1003
00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:14,613
Speaker 2: This other person said, God, what a nation of complainers.

1004
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:17,533
Speaker 2: Those acc ads aren't telling you not to do something.

1005
00:47:17,613 --> 00:47:19,692
Speaker 2: They're just trying to encourage people to think before they

1006
00:47:19,773 --> 00:47:22,973
Speaker 2: do something stupid and consider how much mitigate the risk

1007
00:47:23,053 --> 00:47:24,933
Speaker 2: of getting badly injured. I'm saying that that's just a

1008
00:47:24,973 --> 00:47:27,692
Speaker 2: bad message for society, and I didn't want to rag

1009
00:47:27,773 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 2: on the a sec that that's not how I started

1010
00:47:29,893 --> 00:47:33,813
Speaker 2: doing it, especially not the alternative commentary creative. But it's

1011
00:47:33,933 --> 00:47:37,813
Speaker 2: just it's just an attitude of instead of the messaging

1012
00:47:37,933 --> 00:47:41,333
Speaker 2: being be bold, take risks for the good of your nation.

1013
00:47:41,813 --> 00:47:46,812
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's start businesses, let's try new endeavors. Let's

1014
00:47:47,213 --> 00:47:50,253
Speaker 2: let's let's push things to the very envelope at what

1015
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:53,093
Speaker 2: it is because our nation and our lives can be great,

1016
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:56,413
Speaker 2: so we can live life' less ordinaria whatever. Moving it forward.

1017
00:47:56,733 --> 00:47:59,693
Speaker 2: We're saying, eh, just hold back a little bit, just

1018
00:48:01,213 --> 00:48:02,453
Speaker 2: just be careful, that could happen.

1019
00:48:02,533 --> 00:48:02,693
Speaker 14: You know.

1020
00:48:02,813 --> 00:48:05,813
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a it's a it's a way

1021
00:48:05,893 --> 00:48:08,293
Speaker 2: of looking at the world that doesn't lead to greatness,

1022
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:09,093
Speaker 2: is all I'm saying.

1023
00:48:09,133 --> 00:48:11,652
Speaker 3: And you weren't ragging on acc as you said. They've

1024
00:48:11,773 --> 00:48:14,213
Speaker 3: got their remit to try and save money. But if

1025
00:48:14,293 --> 00:48:17,053
Speaker 3: they told ed Hillary, hey, just have a hymn before

1026
00:48:17,093 --> 00:48:19,973
Speaker 3: you climb that mountain, never would have got to the top.

1027
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 2: Zach Lee, be careful around those atoms, Rutherford, one of

1028
00:48:24,253 --> 00:48:27,293
Speaker 2: them might split. You know, you got to You've got

1029
00:48:27,373 --> 00:48:29,533
Speaker 2: to try things. In fact, I was talking to her.

1030
00:48:29,533 --> 00:48:32,133
Speaker 2: We're talking about Professor Brian Cox the other day yesterday

1031
00:48:32,173 --> 00:48:34,692
Speaker 2: actually on the show Great Man from Manchester. He said,

1032
00:48:34,693 --> 00:48:38,773
Speaker 2: if you go to Rutherford's desk, that's it's at a

1033
00:48:38,973 --> 00:48:41,493
Speaker 2: University of Manchester. If you run a Geiger counterpart, it

1034
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:43,053
Speaker 2: pass it to the stag.

1035
00:48:43,213 --> 00:48:44,773
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1036
00:48:45,293 --> 00:48:45,453
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1037
00:48:45,813 --> 00:48:53,053
Speaker 3: Good man, Brian? How you this afternoon? God? What's your

1038
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:55,373
Speaker 3: take on where health and safety is at at the moment?

1039
00:48:56,973 --> 00:48:57,093
Speaker 6: Oh?

1040
00:48:57,213 --> 00:48:57,573
Speaker 8: Look, just.

1041
00:48:59,133 --> 00:49:01,093
Speaker 10: A bit of an aspect in the Pride of the Break.

1042
00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:03,493
Speaker 10: You're talking to a couple of guys obviously been in

1043
00:49:03,533 --> 00:49:08,013
Speaker 10: the industry at some time. There's you guys mentioned it

1044
00:49:08,093 --> 00:49:10,252
Speaker 10: that you know, where does it all come from? Where's

1045
00:49:10,293 --> 00:49:12,293
Speaker 10: it driven from and things like that, and why is

1046
00:49:12,333 --> 00:49:16,693
Speaker 10: it why does it seem so you know, go to

1047
00:49:16,733 --> 00:49:18,813
Speaker 10: the ridiculous links that it goes to. And I think

1048
00:49:18,853 --> 00:49:23,813
Speaker 10: it was about twenty fifteen that it changed slightly, well

1049
00:49:23,973 --> 00:49:26,293
Speaker 10: not slightly for some. But it used to be that

1050
00:49:26,373 --> 00:49:29,333
Speaker 10: a company was prosecuted, you know, if there was a

1051
00:49:29,413 --> 00:49:33,212
Speaker 10: death or something like that. But it changed to a PCBU,

1052
00:49:33,333 --> 00:49:36,973
Speaker 10: which is a person conducting a business or undertaking, which

1053
00:49:37,053 --> 00:49:43,493
Speaker 10: suddenly put the accountability onto you know, like a director

1054
00:49:43,533 --> 00:49:47,973
Speaker 10: or a CEO or someone like that, like an actual person, right,

1055
00:49:49,773 --> 00:49:53,172
Speaker 10: and you'll see that driven through. There's examples. I think

1056
00:49:53,213 --> 00:49:57,373
Speaker 10: it wasn't too long prior to Christmas. The Auckland Ports

1057
00:49:57,533 --> 00:50:01,692
Speaker 10: CEO was actually sentenced through those you know, they had

1058
00:50:01,693 --> 00:50:03,853
Speaker 10: a couple of deaths there over the last couple of

1059
00:50:03,973 --> 00:50:11,013
Speaker 10: years unfortunately, but ultimately it fell upon him and he

1060
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:14,253
Speaker 10: suffered the consequences. And I think that was the big change.

1061
00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:19,253
Speaker 10: You could say that you're a company, you have some

1062
00:50:19,333 --> 00:50:21,253
Speaker 10: good lawyers, you go along, you know, there might have

1063
00:50:21,293 --> 00:50:24,293
Speaker 10: been a death or something like that. There's fines to

1064
00:50:24,333 --> 00:50:26,813
Speaker 10: pay or something like that. The company pays it. But

1065
00:50:26,893 --> 00:50:29,613
Speaker 10: as soon as it went to there's fines to pay

1066
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:35,133
Speaker 10: all prison sentences for you know, someone at the top obviously,

1067
00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:37,493
Speaker 10: because those people at the top suddenly took a great

1068
00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:40,893
Speaker 10: deal of interest in that change, and it sort of

1069
00:50:41,253 --> 00:50:44,293
Speaker 10: flowed down from that where they suddenly had a very

1070
00:50:44,373 --> 00:50:49,613
Speaker 10: high priority on risk mitigation and they passed it on

1071
00:50:49,733 --> 00:50:53,413
Speaker 10: to management below them, and indeed it gets down to

1072
00:50:53,693 --> 00:50:57,613
Speaker 10: departmental managers and things like that, and organizations where quite

1073
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,333
Speaker 10: often a lot you know, a lot of organizations I've

1074
00:51:00,373 --> 00:51:04,693
Speaker 10: been and that they'll actually have KPIs based you know,

1075
00:51:04,933 --> 00:51:07,093
Speaker 10: it could be on a bonus for the year, and

1076
00:51:07,213 --> 00:51:09,013
Speaker 10: it could have a portion of it that is based

1077
00:51:09,053 --> 00:51:13,533
Speaker 10: on you know, health and safety aspect. You know, have

1078
00:51:13,653 --> 00:51:16,613
Speaker 10: you suffered any lost time injuries, have you suffered any

1079
00:51:18,173 --> 00:51:21,252
Speaker 10: severe injuries and things like that in your departments which

1080
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:23,453
Speaker 10: will affect your bonus at the end. So there's a

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Speaker 10: there's sort of a drive for middle management to sort

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Speaker 10: of you know, look at it that way. And some

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00:51:31,093 --> 00:51:34,093
Speaker 10: people out there will even know that the scenario where

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Speaker 10: someone's been injured and there's a real drive to get

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Speaker 10: them back at work in some capacity, and that's because

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Speaker 10: they want to avoid that lost time injuries injury being

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Speaker 10: on the box because if they get them back to work.

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Speaker 10: Then they're they're actually still working, so it's not recorded

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Speaker 10: and it doesn't affect their bonus. And you know, that's

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Speaker 10: that's sort of what's developed in the system, which is

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Speaker 10: sort of trickled down from this this responsibility being fed

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Speaker 10: you know, from above.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really interesante and that's really really powerful

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Speaker 2: legislation if your only goal as a government is to

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Speaker 2: make things safer. But it's not great legislation if your

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00:52:13,853 --> 00:52:16,973
Speaker 2: goal is for the country to be more productive. And

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00:52:17,053 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 2: productivity is a real problem in our country. So that's

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Speaker 2: something that governments need to weigh up, don't they. So

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Speaker 2: you know, you bring that in and of course, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're going to have huge amounts of legislation, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, a huge amount. You're going to motivate companies

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Speaker 2: to be very very safe.

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Speaker 3: But is that good for the bigger picture getting things done?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that that's great for the bigger picture.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think about really really good legislation. From

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00:52:37,813 --> 00:52:40,853
Speaker 2: one point of view, was when when they put the

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Speaker 2: put them made the bars libel for having underage drinkers

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Speaker 2: instead of just the underage drinker in the bar. And

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Speaker 2: then the bars were very motivated to not have underage

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Speaker 2: drinkers in there. It's that same kind of thinking, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Brian?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well correct, and and you sort of asked the

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Speaker 10: question a few times. You know, where's all the risk

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Speaker 10: taking out there? You know, we're going to be bold

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Speaker 10: to succeed and things like that. And if you think

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Speaker 10: about it, I agree with that. I think I think

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00:53:05,213 --> 00:53:08,293
Speaker 10: that's you know, that's that's a good sentiment. But I'll

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Speaker 10: timately if that was your neck on the line, that

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Speaker 10: you might end up ten years prison sentence.

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Speaker 19: You know.

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Speaker 10: I mean you look, you look at the cases against

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Speaker 10: the White Islands companies. You know they ended up with

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Speaker 10: directors in court facing consequences. A lot of them didn't happen,

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Speaker 10: but you know that's the real consequence that may make

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Speaker 10: an individual running that company or something go hang on.

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Speaker 10: You know this all sounds great, but this is my

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Speaker 10: neck on the line.

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Speaker 2: This is Yeah, that's why I say. That's why I say, Brian,

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Speaker 2: it's it's great legislation if you want more safety across

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Speaker 2: the board, absolutely, because if I was in that position,

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Speaker 2: I'd be lacquering up the safety to make sure I

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Speaker 2: got my bonus and made sure that I wasn't liable

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Speaker 2: for anything. But governments need to think about things more

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00:53:53,293 --> 00:53:56,493
Speaker 2: than just what their little department is, and they need

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00:53:56,573 --> 00:53:59,573
Speaker 2: to go you know, safety is one thing, but productivity

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00:53:59,613 --> 00:54:02,493
Speaker 2: is another. And the dangers of a country not having

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Speaker 2: a high productivity, you know that that spills into not

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00:54:05,733 --> 00:54:08,213
Speaker 2: being able to pay for healthcare. It spills into not

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00:54:08,333 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 2: I've been able to pay for a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you so much for you call Brian.

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Speaker 2: That's that's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great. Call one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. Love to hear from you on

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Speaker 3: this as well. It's twenty three pass too.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. We've been talking

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Speaker 3: about health and safety in New Zealand on the back

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00:54:33,773 --> 00:54:36,373
Speaker 3: of a Wayne Brown opinion piece saying we are playing

1151
00:54:36,413 --> 00:54:40,213
Speaker 3: it too safe in New Zealand these days, and I

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00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:41,773
Speaker 3: certainly agree. You certainly agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm just involved in a very deep discussion

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00:54:44,253 --> 00:54:47,373
Speaker 2: on text around the Challenger disaster and the O Rings. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm very interested in that whole thing. I've just watched

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Speaker 2: the American scan I listened to the American Scandal podcast

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00:54:52,373 --> 00:54:56,213
Speaker 2: on it very interesting, and watched the Challenger documentary on Netflix,

1158
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:57,692
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm reading a book on it at the moment.

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00:54:57,773 --> 00:55:02,133
Speaker 2: It's it's it's incredible, and that has really got me

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00:55:02,213 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 2: thinking about this. That's the balance between greatness and risk.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't believe after watching that that, I

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Speaker 2: mean that that is a that is a situation that

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Speaker 2: sits right in the gray area between balance and risk,

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Speaker 2: the balance between greatness and risk. And I just don't

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Speaker 2: think that you can have full greatness that moves our

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Speaker 2: species and our country forward without without quite a lot

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Speaker 2: of risk being allowed into the situation. And I feel

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Speaker 2: like just blanket safety across the board, and the safety

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00:55:33,813 --> 00:55:35,893
Speaker 2: the safety people, you know, the sky is falling, people

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Speaker 2: always winning the argument. I don't I don't think that

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Speaker 2: leads to greatness and prosperity and motivation and pride for

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Speaker 2: a nation. Anyway, we've got a productivity problem, a text

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Speaker 2: messicution with text machine. With this great conversation I'm having

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Speaker 2: with one listener and list let's talk to all of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael, how are you.

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Speaker 13: To the Hey, this is not so much about business,

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Speaker 13: but it's still health and safety. I asked my job

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Speaker 13: a couple of years ago. As a result of a

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Speaker 13: perceived health and safety risk, I had to drive my

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Speaker 13: vehicle for a stream every day to get to and

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Speaker 13: from home. And this particular days been a lot of rain,

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Speaker 13: and I nudged the nose of the company vehicle into

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Speaker 13: the stream because I've got a market peg that tells

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Speaker 13: me how deep it is, and I thought, no, this

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00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:34,453
Speaker 13: is way too deep to go through. So I went

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Speaker 13: to back out. But the crazy actually it was a

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Speaker 13: four wheel drive vehicle, but the air and take was

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Speaker 13: at the just at the top of the front mudguard,

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Speaker 13: and it sucked water and it killed the engine. So

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00:56:49,893 --> 00:56:54,333
Speaker 13: there I am sitting there, I bring up another couple

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00:56:54,373 --> 00:56:59,653
Speaker 13: of guys and they pulled me out and they said, no,

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00:56:59,853 --> 00:57:03,053
Speaker 13: you put the company at risk, your personal safety at risk,

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00:57:04,373 --> 00:57:05,732
Speaker 13: and essentially I lost my job.

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Speaker 3: And how long ago was that, Michael?

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Speaker 13: Two years ago?

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Speaker 3: Two years?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 2: So was that the only way you could get to work.

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Speaker 13: Quick?

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Speaker 14: Right?

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Speaker 2: And so they it's interesting, so did they hire someone

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00:57:22,013 --> 00:57:23,333
Speaker 2: that didn't have to go through that to get to

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Speaker 2: work or was that the only way anyone could get

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Speaker 2: to work.

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Speaker 13: The only way I could get to work.

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00:57:27,973 --> 00:57:28,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's rough, isn't it.

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00:57:29,693 --> 00:57:30,533
Speaker 3: That is very rough.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: What's quite interesting is that talk about three days for

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Speaker 13: the process to go through. But where it is, it's

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00:57:40,853 --> 00:57:44,573
Speaker 13: got a very big catchment and so the stream can

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00:57:44,693 --> 00:57:48,853
Speaker 13: come up and go down very quickly. And so about

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00:57:48,853 --> 00:57:51,533
Speaker 13: a day and a half later, the guy that was

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Speaker 13: put on the on the job to do the inspection

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Speaker 13: about it, he had a brand new sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 13: four wheel drive and he went down and towards the

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Speaker 13: stream and he hesitated, and I said, oh, I won't

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Speaker 13: say his name. I said, what are your hissitating for?

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Speaker 13: And he said, oh, I'm not sure. I might get

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Speaker 13: washed away. And I thought, my four year old grandson

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00:58:17,493 --> 00:58:22,293
Speaker 13: can walk through here without holding hands, and he's got

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Speaker 13: a sixty thousand dollars truck, and he was hesitating because

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00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:27,893
Speaker 13: he thought it might get washed away. And so that's

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00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 13: where the health and safety thing it's often so much

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Speaker 13: about personal perception of risk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Michael, sorry that happened to you, and it

1229
00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:40,613
Speaker 3: certainly sounds like that was a knee juke reaction. Thanks

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Speaker 3: very much for giving us a buzz. Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number of call headlines

1232
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Speaker 3: coming up. It's twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 14: You talk, there'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's

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00:58:53,773 --> 00:58:56,853
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister's announced

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Speaker 14: a new agency invest New Zealand, aiming to be a

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Speaker 14: Bolster Director, aiming to I should say Bolster Direct foreign investment,

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00:59:05,373 --> 00:59:11,053
Speaker 14: hoping to increase capital and banking, transport, energy, manufacturing and innovation.

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Speaker 14: The government's also creating an organization to focus on AI

1239
00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:19,493
Speaker 14: and turning the seven Crown Research Institutes into three public

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00:59:19,573 --> 00:59:24,333
Speaker 14: research organizations. The partner of an Australian diplomat is pleaded

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00:59:24,373 --> 00:59:27,573
Speaker 14: guilty to common assault during a night art in Wellington.

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00:59:28,013 --> 00:59:30,933
Speaker 14: He has interim name suppression and will apply for discharge

1243
00:59:31,013 --> 00:59:35,573
Speaker 14: without conviction. Labour is holding its annual caucus retreat today,

1244
00:59:35,893 --> 00:59:39,013
Speaker 14: discussing its plans for the year ahead. A recent poll

1245
00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:41,293
Speaker 14: put Labor ahead of National for the first time in

1246
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Speaker 14: nearly two years. Otago Regional Council is taking Queenstown's Council

1247
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Speaker 14: to court, hoping to force it to stop its Shotover

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00:59:49,813 --> 00:59:55,133
Speaker 14: wastewater treatment plant discharging contaminants. Rocket Lab will be launching

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00:59:55,173 --> 00:59:58,813
Speaker 14: a new Global eight satellite constellation next month to help

1250
00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:04,013
Speaker 14: detect and monitor wildfires. We don't always know what government

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Speaker 14: spending achieves, order to general calls for law change to

1252
01:00:07,573 --> 01:00:10,653
Speaker 14: improve before moments reporting. You can find out more at

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01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:14,413
Speaker 14: ends in Herald Premium. Back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, roy Lean twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about risk and as this country becoming too

1256
01:00:19,933 --> 01:00:22,733
Speaker 2: risk averse and there's that an extent existential threat to

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01:00:22,813 --> 01:00:27,293
Speaker 2: our country's productivity and pride in itself. And a lot

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01:00:27,333 --> 01:00:29,133
Speaker 2: of texts coming through on this health and safety had

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01:00:29,213 --> 01:00:31,773
Speaker 2: dumbed down everyone down. Systems have to be put in

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Speaker 2: place for dumb off the dumbest of the dumbinance, lack

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01:00:34,853 --> 01:00:37,013
Speaker 2: of productivity and high cost to get anything done in

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Speaker 2: this country. We still have the same, if not higher

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01:00:39,173 --> 01:00:41,293
Speaker 2: rate of accident injuries and death per capita as we

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Speaker 2: did prior to this insane amount of regulations. Another text

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Speaker 2: that says aj Hackett bungee would never have got off

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Speaker 2: the ground these days, would it well to be fair Derek,

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01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:55,533
Speaker 2: great text, but aj illegally climbed up the Eiffel Tower

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01:00:55,533 --> 01:00:57,933
Speaker 2: and jumped off. Didn't he with this bungee to get publicity?

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01:00:58,013 --> 01:01:01,053
Speaker 2: Great New Zealand day, But that was illegal at the time,

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Speaker 2: and I think he got arrested at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: But look at him now, We'll look at the company now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and terrifying. You know, have you bungee?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So good, love it so good. And just before we

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Speaker 2: go on, I mean, I would never be here today

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01:01:15,373 --> 01:01:18,333
Speaker 2: broadcasting on Newstalk z B if it wasn't insane amount

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Speaker 2: of risk that was taken in my youth. And a

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01:01:19,973 --> 01:01:23,013
Speaker 2: lot of people listening to gosh, oh wish you hadn't

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01:01:23,053 --> 01:01:24,973
Speaker 2: taken those risks, you weren't here. But you know, I

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01:01:25,093 --> 01:01:28,293
Speaker 2: started out me and my high school friends growing up

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01:01:28,333 --> 01:01:30,973
Speaker 2: in Duned and we had had not much opportunities in

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01:01:31,053 --> 01:01:33,333
Speaker 2: our life, and we just started doing stupid stunts. And

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Speaker 2: then we got our seal to the TV show on

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Speaker 2: TV two call Back of the y Mussabis Television where

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Speaker 2: we'd set ourselves on fire and taken sane risks, you know,

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01:01:40,693 --> 01:01:42,373
Speaker 2: TV and ZID had no idea what we were doing.

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Speaker 2: We got we rented a warehouse out and only hunger

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01:01:45,533 --> 01:01:49,013
Speaker 2: and then and then had other areas that would show

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01:01:49,053 --> 01:01:51,453
Speaker 2: TV and ZI executives through to pretend we had some

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01:01:51,573 --> 01:01:54,493
Speaker 2: kind of health and safe debit, but we didn't do anything.

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01:01:54,533 --> 01:01:57,453
Speaker 2: We were just flipping cars, we were sitting ourselves on fire.

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01:01:57,453 --> 01:02:00,733
Speaker 2: We're doing all kinds of stupid things. And that risk

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Speaker 2: got me the media career that I still enjoy to

1294
01:02:03,853 --> 01:02:05,813
Speaker 2: this day and feeds my kids and puts the roof

1295
01:02:05,813 --> 01:02:07,373
Speaker 2: over the head. So you know, I'm very pleased I

1296
01:02:07,453 --> 01:02:08,533
Speaker 2: took those insane risks.

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01:02:08,453 --> 01:02:10,373
Speaker 3: And that worked well for everyone. Right, is that TV

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01:02:10,453 --> 01:02:12,253
Speaker 3: and Z got a nice finished product that they put

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01:02:12,293 --> 01:02:13,973
Speaker 3: on the Telly and they got a good audience, and

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01:02:14,013 --> 01:02:15,653
Speaker 3: they didn't have to worry about the risk that you

1301
01:02:15,813 --> 01:02:18,693
Speaker 3: guys would take in that was your responsibility. You're off site,

1302
01:02:18,933 --> 01:02:20,093
Speaker 3: you'd accepted that risk.

1303
01:02:20,213 --> 01:02:23,093
Speaker 2: Well, the whole world of stunts is an interesting thing.

1304
01:02:23,133 --> 01:02:25,933
Speaker 2: And we had stuntman on a movie I made once

1305
01:02:26,453 --> 01:02:29,493
Speaker 2: and the stuntman, Jody, got very badly injured. It was

1306
01:02:29,853 --> 01:02:33,173
Speaker 2: terrible situation, but because he was a stuntman, the whole

1307
01:02:33,413 --> 01:02:37,093
Speaker 2: OSH investigation came back and said, well, you guys, you

1308
01:02:37,253 --> 01:02:39,773
Speaker 2: guys had could have taken every expectation that he would

1309
01:02:39,813 --> 01:02:41,413
Speaker 2: do what he needed to protect himself. You know what,

1310
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:44,413
Speaker 2: I mean, so stunts is a thing in movies where

1311
01:02:44,453 --> 01:02:47,653
Speaker 2: people have to take risk by its very definition, so

1312
01:02:47,693 --> 01:02:50,733
Speaker 2: it operates in this kind of weird area. But less so,

1313
01:02:50,813 --> 01:02:52,253
Speaker 2: I understand it's hard to on how to do them.

1314
01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:54,973
Speaker 3: Would that be similar because we've talked about the Challenger.

1315
01:02:55,053 --> 01:02:56,813
Speaker 3: You've talked about the Challenger a lot. That's similar to

1316
01:02:56,853 --> 01:02:59,653
Speaker 3: the Astionnausts right, that they know the risks are taken

1317
01:02:59,693 --> 01:03:02,213
Speaker 3: when they step on that space shuttle, that there's no

1318
01:03:02,373 --> 01:03:06,053
Speaker 3: guarantee of their safety. Similar scenario, I mean, obviously vastly

1319
01:03:06,133 --> 01:03:08,333
Speaker 3: different areas of risk, but similar scenario.

1320
01:03:08,413 --> 01:03:08,573
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:03:08,653 --> 01:03:11,813
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, most astronauts at the time, you know, unless

1322
01:03:11,853 --> 01:03:14,573
Speaker 2: so as the shuttles came in to play the space

1323
01:03:14,613 --> 01:03:18,573
Speaker 2: shuttles were test pilots. You know, there were Air Force

1324
01:03:18,653 --> 01:03:21,733
Speaker 2: test pilots. There were people that loved it, and you know,

1325
01:03:21,813 --> 01:03:23,773
Speaker 2: had signed themselves up to a certain amount of risk.

1326
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:25,613
Speaker 2: Problem with the Challenger as they put a teacher on

1327
01:03:25,653 --> 01:03:28,933
Speaker 2: there for publicity and she hadn't really signed herself up

1328
01:03:28,933 --> 01:03:30,493
Speaker 2: to the risks in the in the same way. But

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01:03:30,533 --> 01:03:32,373
Speaker 2: that's a huge story and not really what we're talking about,

1330
01:03:32,653 --> 01:03:34,453
Speaker 2: even though I could talk about it for hours.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, how are you this afternoon.

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Speaker 15: Okay, thank you.

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01:03:40,093 --> 01:03:41,733
Speaker 3: Now you want to talk about yeah, very good. You

1334
01:03:41,773 --> 01:03:44,573
Speaker 3: want to talk about contact sports and relation to our

1335
01:03:45,493 --> 01:03:46,973
Speaker 3: appetite for risk in New Zealand.

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01:03:48,173 --> 01:03:52,453
Speaker 15: Well, I mean you've been talking about personal risk and

1337
01:03:52,693 --> 01:03:55,573
Speaker 15: that's fine if you are going to be responsible for

1338
01:03:55,693 --> 01:04:01,973
Speaker 15: your own injuries, if you injure yourself. In my experience,

1339
01:04:02,813 --> 01:04:05,493
Speaker 15: I've come across people who, first of all, it was

1340
01:04:06,253 --> 01:04:11,773
Speaker 15: skateboarding where someone would proudly say, after being in hospital

1341
01:04:11,813 --> 01:04:14,733
Speaker 15: board of fiftieth time, are broken every bone in my

1342
01:04:14,853 --> 01:04:19,493
Speaker 15: body and still going back to doing the same thing.

1343
01:04:19,613 --> 01:04:22,053
Speaker 15: Obviously they are not just they're going to break every

1344
01:04:22,093 --> 01:04:24,733
Speaker 15: bone in their body, but everyone else has to pay

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01:04:24,813 --> 01:04:26,373
Speaker 15: for their rehabilitation.

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01:04:26,653 --> 01:04:30,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, Avantel myself terribly skateboarding in my time, SERI. But

1347
01:04:30,693 --> 01:04:34,613
Speaker 2: you got to say, but also contact what I would

1348
01:04:34,613 --> 01:04:37,213
Speaker 2: say with skateboarding. Sorry, Sarah, I could just interrupt you

1349
01:04:37,213 --> 01:04:38,373
Speaker 2: a second and I'll let you go on to the

1350
01:04:38,413 --> 01:04:40,653
Speaker 2: next bat. But just skateboarding something I care about, and

1351
01:04:41,053 --> 01:04:43,973
Speaker 2: and that's how our TV actually came together through skateboarding.

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01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:47,653
Speaker 2: But that is young people pushing themselves to the very

1353
01:04:48,293 --> 01:04:51,533
Speaker 2: level and one of the most difficult and complex things

1354
01:04:51,733 --> 01:04:54,853
Speaker 2: you can you can do. And there's a great deal

1355
01:04:54,893 --> 01:04:57,453
Speaker 2: that's gained from skateboarding as well as the risk of

1356
01:04:57,693 --> 01:05:02,653
Speaker 2: injuries and in terms of confidence and just the sheer

1357
01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:06,253
Speaker 2: amount of time and focus that someone has to put

1358
01:05:06,333 --> 01:05:09,173
Speaker 2: into skateboarding to become good. So there is there is

1359
01:05:09,253 --> 01:05:11,693
Speaker 2: some worth in that, I'd say, as well as the dangers.

1360
01:05:13,213 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 15: Well, you need to ask everyone else who's paying for

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01:05:15,853 --> 01:05:19,493
Speaker 15: their rehabilitation and medical can.

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01:05:19,413 --> 01:05:22,893
Speaker 2: We Well if we always ask the question, we think

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01:05:22,933 --> 01:05:23,533
Speaker 2: it's worth so.

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01:05:25,253 --> 01:05:25,373
Speaker 14: Them.

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01:05:25,653 --> 01:05:27,213
Speaker 2: Well, well you could ask if you say the same

1366
01:05:27,213 --> 01:05:29,013
Speaker 2: thing about everyone that has a shower, because there's much

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01:05:29,053 --> 01:05:32,573
Speaker 2: more injuries that happen in bathrooms. So bathrooms are much

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01:05:32,653 --> 01:05:35,653
Speaker 2: more bathrooms are a much more dangerous place than than

1369
01:05:35,773 --> 01:05:38,733
Speaker 2: skateboarding by the sheer numbers of people to get injured.

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01:05:38,733 --> 01:05:41,453
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's an unfair statistic, like statistics

1371
01:05:41,493 --> 01:05:43,093
Speaker 2: that always are because there's a lot more people in

1372
01:05:43,173 --> 01:05:46,893
Speaker 2: bathrooms and there are skateboarding. But just being a citizen

1373
01:05:46,973 --> 01:05:48,773
Speaker 2: of New Zealand, there's a certain amount of risk and

1374
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:50,373
Speaker 2: what you're going to do when we want don't we

1375
01:05:50,453 --> 01:05:54,413
Speaker 2: want people out there skateboarding and mountain biking and experiencing life,

1376
01:05:54,453 --> 01:05:56,173
Speaker 2: And isn't there what a country is about.

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01:05:56,293 --> 01:05:58,893
Speaker 15: That's okay, as long as that's okay, as long as

1378
01:05:58,973 --> 01:06:05,173
Speaker 15: they they put something towards they're more more risk that

1379
01:06:05,293 --> 01:06:06,533
Speaker 15: they are putting themselves into.

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01:06:06,853 --> 01:06:08,853
Speaker 2: But but but but then then would have a society

1381
01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:10,533
Speaker 2: of people that don't take risks, and then we have

1382
01:06:10,573 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 2: a country that would have very product.

1383
01:06:13,013 --> 01:06:17,533
Speaker 15: No, we'd have people that would take personal accounts for

1384
01:06:17,973 --> 01:06:21,253
Speaker 15: the respect they're taking, not not relying on anyone else

1385
01:06:21,333 --> 01:06:22,653
Speaker 15: to pick up the pieces.

1386
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:24,933
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we've got the ACC, right.

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01:06:25,613 --> 01:06:27,173
Speaker 15: Well, that's I was carn't afford it.

1388
01:06:27,893 --> 01:06:31,413
Speaker 2: Well, well, there's there's recent things that have been there's

1389
01:06:31,453 --> 01:06:33,293
Speaker 2: recent things that have been lumped on the ACC that

1390
01:06:33,333 --> 01:06:34,973
Speaker 2: weren't there before that have changed it. It's been a

1391
01:06:34,973 --> 01:06:38,173
Speaker 2: pretty good model. I mean I personally, I'm at all

1392
01:06:38,213 --> 01:06:38,693
Speaker 2: I don't.

1393
01:06:38,533 --> 01:06:40,213
Speaker 15: Think it's a good model at all. I think it's

1394
01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:41,053
Speaker 15: it's stupid.

1395
01:06:41,253 --> 01:06:43,933
Speaker 2: So you work in contact sports in the medical field

1396
01:06:43,933 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 2: and you think the ACC is a bad thing.

1397
01:06:46,933 --> 01:06:48,093
Speaker 15: I do think it's a bad thing.

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01:06:48,173 --> 01:06:52,293
Speaker 2: Yes, So so basically do you think people would well,

1399
01:06:52,333 --> 01:06:54,573
Speaker 2: I mean, you know in rugby, you know the rugby

1400
01:06:54,813 --> 01:06:56,773
Speaker 2: you know Rugby New Zealand does pay money into this

1401
01:06:56,893 --> 01:06:58,933
Speaker 2: kind of situation. So if you say that our biggest

1402
01:06:58,933 --> 01:07:03,493
Speaker 2: contents caught rugby. So I'm amazed that you involved in

1403
01:07:03,533 --> 01:07:07,453
Speaker 2: sports medicine and you think that contact sports, that the

1404
01:07:07,533 --> 01:07:10,213
Speaker 2: ACC is a bad thing, because I think sport is

1405
01:07:10,293 --> 01:07:13,173
Speaker 2: so good for young people growing up, and I think

1406
01:07:13,213 --> 01:07:15,533
Speaker 2: the risks and I think the risks are well worth it.

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01:07:16,453 --> 01:07:19,573
Speaker 15: We're going to be continually for people with brain damage

1408
01:07:19,573 --> 01:07:21,413
Speaker 15: from boxing and rugby.

1409
01:07:21,853 --> 01:07:23,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be paying. We're going to be

1410
01:07:23,533 --> 01:07:25,813
Speaker 2: paying a lot more for people just We're going to

1411
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:27,613
Speaker 2: be paying a lot more for people just sitting around

1412
01:07:27,693 --> 01:07:30,733
Speaker 2: in their houses doom, scrolling on their phones.

1413
01:07:31,613 --> 01:07:34,213
Speaker 15: What is exercise you can do without each other?

1414
01:07:34,373 --> 01:07:37,773
Speaker 2: And but what if the exercise what, Sarah, What if

1415
01:07:37,773 --> 01:07:39,773
Speaker 2: the exercise you want to do is bashing people and

1416
01:07:40,213 --> 01:07:42,693
Speaker 2: and and the other person that the other person wants

1417
01:07:42,733 --> 01:07:43,293
Speaker 2: to do it as well.

1418
01:07:44,213 --> 01:07:45,693
Speaker 15: If that's what you want to do, then to pay

1419
01:07:45,773 --> 01:07:46,693
Speaker 15: for your own medical care.

1420
01:07:46,733 --> 01:07:48,413
Speaker 2: But what country do you want? What type of country

1421
01:07:48,453 --> 01:07:49,653
Speaker 2: do you want to live in? Sarah?

1422
01:07:50,813 --> 01:07:52,733
Speaker 15: I want to live in a country where it takes

1423
01:07:53,613 --> 01:07:55,213
Speaker 15: responsibility for their actions.

1424
01:07:55,973 --> 01:07:58,293
Speaker 3: But I can't agree with that either, Sarah. Is there

1425
01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 3: as someone who skateboarded and snowboarded a mountain and mountain

1426
01:08:01,213 --> 01:08:02,973
Speaker 3: bike and when I came off my mountain bike and

1427
01:08:03,053 --> 01:08:06,573
Speaker 3: hit my head very badly and had temporary memory loss

1428
01:08:06,573 --> 01:08:09,133
Speaker 3: and ended up in hospital. And who was my hospital

1429
01:08:09,213 --> 01:08:12,413
Speaker 3: room is a guy who was trying to use a

1430
01:08:12,493 --> 01:08:15,493
Speaker 3: chains for at his home and unfortunately he cut his leg.

1431
01:08:15,533 --> 01:08:17,893
Speaker 3: There was another guy who fell over when he was

1432
01:08:17,933 --> 01:08:20,253
Speaker 3: coming out of his kitchen who was being looked after.

1433
01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:21,813
Speaker 3: So where do you draw the line and on a

1434
01:08:21,933 --> 01:08:25,772
Speaker 3: cost benefit analysis situation with sport which is good for

1435
01:08:25,853 --> 01:08:29,052
Speaker 3: people's health, it keeps them hopefully out of hospital long dorm.

1436
01:08:29,572 --> 01:08:32,053
Speaker 3: Isn't that we you balance it up to say, if

1437
01:08:32,133 --> 01:08:34,492
Speaker 3: people are playing sport and they hurt themselves, there'll be

1438
01:08:35,093 --> 01:08:38,052
Speaker 3: our hospital system to look after them. But most people

1439
01:08:38,053 --> 01:08:39,933
Speaker 3: who play sport will be healthier for it.

1440
01:08:41,333 --> 01:08:43,972
Speaker 15: Well, I agree with you. It depends on the sport,

1441
01:08:44,173 --> 01:08:44,572
Speaker 15: doesn't it?

1442
01:08:44,933 --> 01:08:49,052
Speaker 2: Okay, sir? What sports do you support people people play.

1443
01:08:51,213 --> 01:08:52,293
Speaker 15: Non contact sports?

1444
01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:55,492
Speaker 2: What would you define as a non contact sport?

1445
01:08:57,293 --> 01:08:59,333
Speaker 15: Well, tennis for example.

1446
01:08:59,213 --> 01:09:01,253
Speaker 2: Well, you get a lot of injuries, and tennis run

1447
01:09:01,612 --> 01:09:04,492
Speaker 2: running a lot of injuries, and running you.

1448
01:09:04,532 --> 01:09:06,372
Speaker 3: Get a lot of many You get a lot of

1449
01:09:06,412 --> 01:09:11,452
Speaker 3: injuries and running skateboarding is technically a non contextport, if that's.

1450
01:09:11,293 --> 01:09:17,692
Speaker 15: All right, But that's it's more injury prone than than

1451
01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:23,932
Speaker 15: walking along the street or going for reasonable exercise like swimming.

1452
01:09:24,532 --> 01:09:27,133
Speaker 15: I mean, you know of other sports you can do.

1453
01:09:27,772 --> 01:09:30,893
Speaker 2: Sarah, Can you see my opinion on this one that

1454
01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:34,133
Speaker 2: that can what what what you're describing to me is

1455
01:09:34,973 --> 01:09:37,773
Speaker 2: a very depressing country where people.

1456
01:09:38,093 --> 01:09:40,892
Speaker 15: Not people doing sports and if they injured themselves, then

1457
01:09:41,293 --> 01:09:44,972
Speaker 15: then they contribute to their to their.

1458
01:09:46,532 --> 01:09:48,893
Speaker 2: Well, we all contribute to CC. We all have to

1459
01:09:48,933 --> 01:09:52,492
Speaker 2: contribute to I've contributed contributed.

1460
01:09:52,652 --> 01:09:58,013
Speaker 15: Contributing to other people's stupidity and lack of hair and

1461
01:09:58,213 --> 01:09:58,812
Speaker 15: what they're doing.

1462
01:09:59,013 --> 01:10:01,852
Speaker 2: But isn't the ACC the most brilliant situation because what

1463
01:10:01,973 --> 01:10:05,013
Speaker 2: it does is and allows allows in a country to

1464
01:10:05,293 --> 01:10:08,093
Speaker 2: be open to risk and and and if you're not

1465
01:10:08,412 --> 01:10:09,852
Speaker 2: into risk and sport, then you're not going to be

1466
01:10:09,933 --> 01:10:12,692
Speaker 2: open to risk and business. And so I think it's

1467
01:10:12,692 --> 01:10:14,572
Speaker 2: a great thing. And it removed the ability to sue

1468
01:10:14,612 --> 01:10:16,972
Speaker 2: each other, which is fantastic thing. We don't get ambulance

1469
01:10:17,053 --> 01:10:18,372
Speaker 2: chases yet that.

1470
01:10:18,412 --> 01:10:23,772
Speaker 15: Would be good. Pike River and White Island just you know,

1471
01:10:24,612 --> 01:10:28,333
Speaker 15: special examples of oh she'll be right mate, You know

1472
01:10:28,412 --> 01:10:28,932
Speaker 15: it's great.

1473
01:10:29,532 --> 01:10:32,372
Speaker 2: She'll be right is a great attitude. No, it's not,

1474
01:10:33,013 --> 01:10:37,052
Speaker 2: generally speaking, within reasons, it's a better attitude than staying

1475
01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:38,012
Speaker 2: at home and doing nothing.

1476
01:10:39,013 --> 01:10:41,213
Speaker 15: Rules are made to be broken. She'll be right, mate,

1477
01:10:42,973 --> 01:10:45,412
Speaker 15: Well I'm all right, so song, someone else is paying

1478
01:10:45,492 --> 01:10:45,652
Speaker 15: for it.

1479
01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:48,732
Speaker 2: So, Sarah, would you agree that a bigger risk than

1480
01:10:48,893 --> 01:10:52,173
Speaker 2: the danger for contact sports in this country is the

1481
01:10:52,293 --> 01:10:55,932
Speaker 2: mental health problems from kids staying at home and doom

1482
01:10:56,053 --> 01:11:00,973
Speaker 2: scrolling through social media and the isolation that comes from that,

1483
01:11:01,492 --> 01:11:04,452
Speaker 2: as opposed to the risk that we take when we

1484
01:11:04,532 --> 01:11:05,532
Speaker 2: get out and play sport.

1485
01:11:06,772 --> 01:11:07,812
Speaker 15: I don't get that argument.

1486
01:11:07,933 --> 01:11:08,652
Speaker 10: No, don't.

1487
01:11:08,692 --> 01:11:10,452
Speaker 2: If you think you think, you think it's.

1488
01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:13,612
Speaker 15: Worse, you're going from one extreme to the other.

1489
01:11:14,093 --> 01:11:16,333
Speaker 2: How do you mean, well.

1490
01:11:16,612 --> 01:11:20,012
Speaker 15: We're staying at home isolated, playing video games all day. Yeah,

1491
01:11:20,652 --> 01:11:23,093
Speaker 15: with someone who's fashion someone else's brains out.

1492
01:11:23,652 --> 01:11:25,492
Speaker 2: Well, if you well, if you, if you, if you

1493
01:11:25,572 --> 01:11:28,093
Speaker 2: make a rule, if you make a rule, if we

1494
01:11:28,173 --> 01:11:30,333
Speaker 2: don't have any support for people, so poor people that

1495
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:36,293
Speaker 2: can't afford health insurance they pay for themselves, shouldn't they

1496
01:11:36,293 --> 01:11:38,412
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing sport. They should just be staying at home.

1497
01:11:38,532 --> 01:11:40,933
Speaker 2: So the a SEC is a great thing that enables.

1498
01:11:40,812 --> 01:11:42,893
Speaker 15: You think they can do that, don't cop money that

1499
01:11:43,013 --> 01:11:44,253
Speaker 15: are exercise.

1500
01:11:44,853 --> 01:11:47,852
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm amazed that you work in contact sport, that

1501
01:11:47,893 --> 01:11:50,732
Speaker 2: you work in sport, because I think I've never heard

1502
01:11:50,732 --> 01:11:52,972
Speaker 2: of anyone that that works in the world of sport

1503
01:11:53,013 --> 01:11:55,173
Speaker 2: that doesn't think the ACC is an amazing thing. So

1504
01:11:55,253 --> 01:11:57,093
Speaker 2: that's interesting. But really appreciate you call here.

1505
01:11:57,133 --> 01:11:59,133
Speaker 3: I thank you, Okay, thank you, all right, have a

1506
01:11:59,173 --> 01:12:02,253
Speaker 3: good afternoon, interesting discussion. Look, I can't agree, but I look,

1507
01:12:02,253 --> 01:12:05,012
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that back and forward, but I cannot agree

1508
01:12:05,013 --> 01:12:07,693
Speaker 3: with that. I think the system is fantastic.

1509
01:12:08,572 --> 01:12:10,972
Speaker 2: My mental health has been affected by the depressing nature

1510
01:12:11,053 --> 01:12:13,333
Speaker 2: of the view of the country that Sarah that takes

1511
01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:16,412
Speaker 2: some of our country. What would rather people didn't go

1512
01:12:16,572 --> 01:12:18,333
Speaker 2: out and place sport or rather that they were just

1513
01:12:18,412 --> 01:12:18,732
Speaker 2: at home.

1514
01:12:19,013 --> 01:12:21,932
Speaker 3: Well, the texts are coming through thack and fast about Sarah,

1515
01:12:22,013 --> 01:12:23,893
Speaker 3: so I'll read some of those out very shortly. It

1516
01:12:24,093 --> 01:12:25,012
Speaker 3: is a quarter to three.

1517
01:12:26,492 --> 01:12:28,852
Speaker 4: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1518
01:12:28,933 --> 01:12:29,532
Speaker 4: along the way.

1519
01:12:29,812 --> 01:12:33,732
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC Naty Innovation,

1520
01:12:33,973 --> 01:12:36,572
Speaker 1: style and design, have it all news talk.

1521
01:12:36,492 --> 01:12:41,053
Speaker 3: Said, be good afternoon, twelve to three. Russell how are

1522
01:12:41,053 --> 01:12:41,333
Speaker 3: you doing?

1523
01:12:41,532 --> 01:12:44,253
Speaker 7: Oh just I can't wait for you, mate. Oh that's

1524
01:12:44,372 --> 01:12:47,772
Speaker 7: something terrible's happening in the street. I was sitting here

1525
01:12:47,812 --> 01:12:50,492
Speaker 7: and my heartbee was doing one hundred. I'm twenty two hundred,

1526
01:12:50,572 --> 01:12:53,492
Speaker 7: over four to sixty in my blood pressure. I jumped

1527
01:12:53,492 --> 01:12:55,612
Speaker 7: out of the car because of what was going on.

1528
01:12:55,772 --> 01:13:01,133
Speaker 7: I tore my ACL. Oh that's going to cost fifty grand. Oh,

1529
01:13:01,133 --> 01:13:02,253
Speaker 7: I'm so glad we've got AC.

1530
01:13:02,692 --> 01:13:04,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky you, we got acc.

1531
01:13:05,532 --> 01:13:09,732
Speaker 7: Sarah when she gets locked jaw and needs a what's

1532
01:13:09,732 --> 01:13:11,372
Speaker 7: she going to do? I mean, did she take a

1533
01:13:11,492 --> 01:13:12,932
Speaker 7: risk assessment once?

1534
01:13:13,053 --> 01:13:13,333
Speaker 10: Before?

1535
01:13:13,412 --> 01:13:15,532
Speaker 7: She rang up on the show and talked for the

1536
01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:20,173
Speaker 7: last fifteen minutes with a whole lot of gibberish. Eight

1537
01:13:21,093 --> 01:13:24,772
Speaker 7: I've never heard in my entire seventy years, never heard

1538
01:13:25,013 --> 01:13:29,333
Speaker 7: anything so stupid than all my life Tyler.

1539
01:13:29,812 --> 01:13:31,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, and mad as well. I mean, you

1540
01:13:32,053 --> 01:13:35,893
Speaker 3: know that back and forth I enjoyed, but it flabbergasted

1541
01:13:35,973 --> 01:13:39,213
Speaker 3: me that Sarah had no concision there that sport in general,

1542
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:42,972
Speaker 3: whether it is rugby or skateboarding or mountain biking, had

1543
01:13:43,053 --> 01:13:45,973
Speaker 3: no benefit to a population in terms of health. That

1544
01:13:46,133 --> 01:13:46,732
Speaker 3: blew my mind.

1545
01:13:47,853 --> 01:13:53,732
Speaker 7: But her argument was completely, completely stupid. Because non contact sport,

1546
01:13:53,933 --> 01:13:57,812
Speaker 7: woman's soccer, woman's netbull have more ACL injuries than probably

1547
01:13:57,973 --> 01:14:01,372
Speaker 7: most other non contact They just hit the floor and

1548
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:05,212
Speaker 7: a cost for an ACL for the operation plus rehab

1549
01:14:05,253 --> 01:14:08,973
Speaker 7: for nine months, we're talking probably between thirty and one

1550
01:14:09,093 --> 01:14:14,133
Speaker 7: hundred grand each. That's through no fold of their own.

1551
01:14:14,293 --> 01:14:16,293
Speaker 7: Just like the person who hopped in the car down

1552
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:19,253
Speaker 7: the road didn't do a risk assessment of getting in

1553
01:14:19,333 --> 01:14:21,452
Speaker 7: the car to go and do their grocery shopping, pulled

1554
01:14:21,492 --> 01:14:25,532
Speaker 7: out and got t boned, paraplegic. Where are the logic?

1555
01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:27,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I mean, like risk.

1556
01:14:27,853 --> 01:14:30,812
Speaker 2: We want people playing sport, and I think we need

1557
01:14:30,893 --> 01:14:32,372
Speaker 2: to look at it in the same way exactly what

1558
01:14:32,412 --> 01:14:35,973
Speaker 2: you're saying there, Russell, is that it's it's one of

1559
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:37,812
Speaker 2: the things we want people doing, and that's what the

1560
01:14:37,893 --> 01:14:40,253
Speaker 2: acc there. We want people crossing roads, we want people

1561
01:14:40,293 --> 01:14:42,612
Speaker 2: getting out of their cars, we want people doing stuff,

1562
01:14:42,973 --> 01:14:45,412
Speaker 2: and there is a risk there. And if there's no

1563
01:14:45,612 --> 01:14:49,053
Speaker 2: backup for that, like Sarah is saying that you will

1564
01:14:49,093 --> 01:14:52,133
Speaker 2: have to pay for yourself, then then no one would

1565
01:14:52,213 --> 01:14:55,852
Speaker 2: do anything. And we're already, in my opinion, the two

1566
01:14:55,973 --> 01:15:01,333
Speaker 2: risk of her nation under under her regime rugby would disappear.

1567
01:15:02,133 --> 01:15:04,012
Speaker 16: And I think part of it the toilet.

1568
01:15:05,372 --> 01:15:07,492
Speaker 2: I've certainly damaged myself on the toilet a few times.

1569
01:15:08,532 --> 01:15:11,692
Speaker 3: Russell, thank you slipping the toilet. Yeah, well, thank you

1570
01:15:11,853 --> 01:15:13,772
Speaker 3: very much. Mate. We'll let you get in the ambo

1571
01:15:13,853 --> 01:15:17,612
Speaker 3: and get to the hospital and thank you. You've got acc.

1572
01:15:17,492 --> 01:15:20,452
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you for you call Russell. This Texi here says,

1573
01:15:20,732 --> 01:15:24,333
Speaker 2: disagrees entirely with me and Russell. Matt, don't be a dick.

1574
01:15:24,492 --> 01:15:26,333
Speaker 2: Go out on a Saturday Sunday and look at the

1575
01:15:26,412 --> 01:15:29,293
Speaker 2: idiots who do not think. How would you feel if

1576
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:31,772
Speaker 2: you ended up after setting yourself on fire and someone

1577
01:15:31,853 --> 01:15:36,133
Speaker 2: missed out because you were in Nana's hip hop Operation Beard,

1578
01:15:36,293 --> 01:15:40,133
Speaker 2: Grow Up? Dennis. What I'd say to that, Dennis is yes,

1579
01:15:40,532 --> 01:15:43,572
Speaker 2: Nana needs a hip hop, but also the world needs

1580
01:15:43,612 --> 01:15:47,172
Speaker 2: to play sport, and kids playing sport in our country

1581
01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:53,812
Speaker 2: and getting out and doing things and tramping even or running, rugby, boxing,

1582
01:15:54,612 --> 01:15:56,972
Speaker 2: martial arts, whatever they want to know, sport, you name,

1583
01:15:57,372 --> 01:15:59,492
Speaker 2: whatever they do is better than them sitting around and

1584
01:15:59,572 --> 01:16:01,532
Speaker 2: doing nothing. And I guarantee the people that get out

1585
01:16:01,572 --> 01:16:03,853
Speaker 2: and play sport and do more stuff and more successful

1586
01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:06,412
Speaker 2: than life and cause more problems less problems in society

1587
01:16:06,492 --> 01:16:07,092
Speaker 2: going forward.

1588
01:16:07,013 --> 01:16:08,852
Speaker 3: And Nana will still get a hip. Don't worry about that.

1589
01:16:09,133 --> 01:16:11,052
Speaker 2: I'll make sure Nana get to her. I'll do it myself.

1590
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:14,133
Speaker 2: I'll do the op myself, brought to a YouTube club

1591
01:16:14,213 --> 01:16:14,692
Speaker 2: and sort it out.

1592
01:16:14,853 --> 01:16:18,572
Speaker 4: Pack in the bow the issues that affect you, and

1593
01:16:18,772 --> 01:16:20,012
Speaker 4: a bit of fun along the way.

1594
01:16:20,253 --> 01:16:24,172
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volbo XC N eighty Innovation,

1595
01:16:24,412 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 1: style and design.

1596
01:16:25,612 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 4: Have it all you talk said, be.

1597
01:16:29,253 --> 01:16:29,293
Speaker 17: So.

1598
01:16:29,492 --> 01:16:31,572
Speaker 2: This has been a controversial topic, especially the call from

1599
01:16:31,692 --> 01:16:34,892
Speaker 2: Sarah who was anti acc for people that were doing,

1600
01:16:35,812 --> 01:16:38,532
Speaker 2: you know, full on contact sports like rugby, skateboarding and

1601
01:16:38,612 --> 01:16:41,293
Speaker 2: such this texture on nineteen nine two. Sarah wasn't saying

1602
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:43,732
Speaker 2: that about sport in general. Expremeport is what she is

1603
01:16:43,772 --> 01:16:47,213
Speaker 2: referring to. You just talk over anyone who has a

1604
01:16:47,612 --> 01:16:51,572
Speaker 2: perfectly legitimate difference of opinion and laugh at her. Yeah,

1605
01:16:51,812 --> 01:16:54,012
Speaker 2: I did laugh at her. I work in the hospital

1606
01:16:54,053 --> 01:16:56,133
Speaker 2: and see a huge cost of extreme sports accident, and

1607
01:16:56,173 --> 01:16:59,372
Speaker 2: I do agree that there has to be some sort

1608
01:16:59,412 --> 01:17:03,253
Speaker 2: of personality responsibility. Obviously, in general, acc is a good model,

1609
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:05,293
Speaker 2: but not everything should be covered. Of course, sport is

1610
01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:08,133
Speaker 2: good for people. She wasn't saying that while she was

1611
01:17:08,772 --> 01:17:10,932
Speaker 2: and you say I talked over a boy, did check

1612
01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:13,093
Speaker 2: get a lot of words through? She got through a

1613
01:17:13,173 --> 01:17:15,173
Speaker 2: few past the keeper. But you know, sometimes I admit

1614
01:17:15,213 --> 01:17:17,812
Speaker 2: I get excited when someone's saying things and I jump

1615
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:20,133
Speaker 2: over them. But my point is if it's if you

1616
01:17:20,253 --> 01:17:23,612
Speaker 2: don't some sports don't excite some kids. And as this

1617
01:17:23,732 --> 01:17:26,532
Speaker 2: text are here says, my police sergeant friend did a

1618
01:17:26,572 --> 01:17:29,892
Speaker 2: case study as part of his sergeancy. Over five year period,

1619
01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:32,293
Speaker 2: anyone here rested between sixteen and fifty years old, it

1620
01:17:32,412 --> 01:17:34,732
Speaker 2: was something like eighty seven percent were not playing sport.

1621
01:17:35,253 --> 01:17:38,333
Speaker 2: Sport is a huge thing for people's developments there of

1622
01:17:38,452 --> 01:17:42,732
Speaker 2: becoming bold in life. And so I would rather that

1623
01:17:42,893 --> 01:17:45,492
Speaker 2: people went out and did these full on things and

1624
01:17:45,652 --> 01:17:47,812
Speaker 2: tried things and risk things. And I'm happy to pay

1625
01:17:47,853 --> 01:17:50,093
Speaker 2: my ac levies if it gets kids out of the

1626
01:17:50,133 --> 01:17:53,772
Speaker 2: house playing playing rugby, mountain biking and all these things.

1627
01:17:53,812 --> 01:17:56,532
Speaker 2: And I think the risks of people just sitting at

1628
01:17:56,572 --> 01:17:59,652
Speaker 2: home is so so large in terms of mental health

1629
01:17:59,732 --> 01:18:02,773
Speaker 2: and also not being productive members of society.

1630
01:18:02,933 --> 01:18:04,892
Speaker 3: So you know, but you're also I mean, she made

1631
01:18:04,933 --> 01:18:06,253
Speaker 3: the point that if you want to do those things,

1632
01:18:06,293 --> 01:18:08,573
Speaker 3: you got to pay a lot of those sporting organizations

1633
01:18:08,612 --> 01:18:11,492
Speaker 3: of contact sport, whether it's rugby union or whether it's

1634
01:18:11,572 --> 01:18:15,172
Speaker 3: the trapping club, the mountaineering club, they pay into acc

1635
01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,852
Speaker 3: they pay an extra livy for all those particularly some of.

1636
01:18:17,853 --> 01:18:21,412
Speaker 2: Them have insurance, private insurance. But the idea that we

1637
01:18:21,412 --> 01:18:24,053
Speaker 2: should only have sports that sport might be boring for

1638
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:28,053
Speaker 2: especially young men are too bored. And some of those

1639
01:18:28,093 --> 01:18:30,253
Speaker 2: sports like that, you know, the fighting sports and rugby

1640
01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,173
Speaker 2: is a great way for young people to get their

1641
01:18:32,173 --> 01:18:35,132
Speaker 2: aggression out and it's I personally think it's great for society.

1642
01:18:36,253 --> 01:18:38,972
Speaker 2: But also I was just gonna apologize for talking over Sarah,

1643
01:18:39,013 --> 01:18:40,452
Speaker 2: but I won't. I was glad and I'll do it again.

1644
01:18:41,013 --> 01:18:44,253
Speaker 3: Well, what a great couple of hours that was, Thank

1645
01:18:44,293 --> 01:18:45,933
Speaker 3: you very much. We are going to change it up

1646
01:18:45,973 --> 01:18:47,932
Speaker 3: after three o'clock we're going to have a chat about

1647
01:18:47,973 --> 01:18:48,572
Speaker 3: rubbish bins.

1648
01:18:49,133 --> 01:18:52,692
Speaker 2: Yes day, rubbish bins even more exciting.

1649
01:18:53,013 --> 01:18:53,293
Speaker 4: Whoop?

1650
01:18:53,652 --> 01:18:56,333
Speaker 3: Get ready for that new sport and weather. Oh, it's

1651
01:18:56,412 --> 01:18:58,692
Speaker 3: way great to have your company. You're listening to Matt

1652
01:18:58,732 --> 01:19:01,053
Speaker 3: and Tyler. I hope you're having a great afternoon. We

1653
01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:01,812
Speaker 3: certainly are.

1654
01:19:03,612 --> 01:19:07,772
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddy

1655
01:19:08,053 --> 01:19:12,013
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo x eighty on

1656
01:19:12,213 --> 01:19:13,133
Speaker 1: news Talk SEV.

1657
01:19:13,893 --> 01:19:17,692
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Happy Thursday to use seven past three. Hope

1658
01:19:17,692 --> 01:19:20,253
Speaker 3: you having a good day. I really enjoyed that chat

1659
01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:20,972
Speaker 3: last couple of hours.

1660
01:19:21,053 --> 01:19:23,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great chat. Thank for all your feedback

1661
01:19:24,333 --> 01:19:26,612
Speaker 2: or your phone calls. That's been It's been really fun.

1662
01:19:26,652 --> 01:19:28,732
Speaker 2: Then we passed really fast. We're moving on to another topic.

1663
01:19:28,812 --> 01:19:31,093
Speaker 2: But before we do, I've got a question for you, Tyler. Yes, please,

1664
01:19:31,173 --> 01:19:33,293
Speaker 2: have you been at the air gone again? It's about

1665
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:34,452
Speaker 2: twenty five degrees in here.

1666
01:19:34,612 --> 01:19:36,173
Speaker 3: It just got hot and all all of a sudden.

1667
01:19:36,372 --> 01:19:36,572
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1668
01:19:36,732 --> 01:19:38,572
Speaker 3: I thought I got that down to a nice call

1669
01:19:38,692 --> 01:19:41,253
Speaker 3: sixteen degrees and someone's been mucking around with it.

1670
01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:43,772
Speaker 2: I do my best work at about sixteen degrees. Yeah yeah,

1671
01:19:43,853 --> 01:19:45,333
Speaker 2: I like a cool yeah cool?

1672
01:19:45,412 --> 01:19:46,012
Speaker 4: How yeah?

1673
01:19:46,173 --> 01:19:49,253
Speaker 2: Like your brain works better when it's cold. I'm sure

1674
01:19:49,293 --> 01:19:50,732
Speaker 2: you're turning it up with there you Andrew.

1675
01:19:50,812 --> 01:19:53,852
Speaker 3: This is why he's a good bridge at the moment.

1676
01:19:53,893 --> 01:19:55,213
Speaker 3: Andrew twenty one.

1677
01:19:55,372 --> 01:19:57,053
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it feels like about It feels like

1678
01:19:57,093 --> 01:19:58,173
Speaker 2: a nice barming over here.

1679
01:19:58,253 --> 01:20:00,892
Speaker 3: And hone, you see them. I feel like I'm in balley.

1680
01:20:00,973 --> 01:20:03,532
Speaker 2: Thank him, Andrew and can producer Andrew just came and Lord,

1681
01:20:03,853 --> 01:20:05,572
Speaker 2: I can already feel it. That's nice.

1682
01:20:05,652 --> 01:20:07,893
Speaker 3: Back on track. Yeah, some people are saying, so you

1683
01:20:07,973 --> 01:20:08,372
Speaker 3: moved up.

1684
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 2: From the South Island and you immediately complaining about the

1685
01:20:10,293 --> 01:20:11,053
Speaker 2: humidity up here.

1686
01:20:11,253 --> 01:20:11,412
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1687
01:20:11,492 --> 01:20:13,532
Speaker 2: Have you sort of that problem out actually before we

1688
01:20:13,572 --> 01:20:14,893
Speaker 2: go to the next topic, because you were going to

1689
01:20:15,372 --> 01:20:17,372
Speaker 2: build that whole system with a fan that was going

1690
01:20:17,452 --> 01:20:17,652
Speaker 2: to have.

1691
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:20,572
Speaker 3: Some So glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked,

1692
01:20:20,612 --> 01:20:23,013
Speaker 3: because no, no, I'm still sleeping in the lounds like

1693
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:25,612
Speaker 3: an absolute loser, and I'm still going to figure it out.

1694
01:20:25,692 --> 01:20:29,492
Speaker 3: I rented putable weir con. It didn't work. Oh really, no,

1695
01:20:29,572 --> 01:20:30,053
Speaker 3: it didn't work.

1696
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:31,372
Speaker 2: Becauld you're not get to see because you have to

1697
01:20:31,412 --> 01:20:33,013
Speaker 2: have a seal on the on the window.

1698
01:20:32,812 --> 01:20:33,133
Speaker 8: Bang on.

1699
01:20:34,013 --> 01:20:36,252
Speaker 3: So because I think you can get the big industrial

1700
01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:38,612
Speaker 3: ones and that's probably my next step, but it's hard

1701
01:20:38,692 --> 01:20:42,093
Speaker 3: to find those bad boys. But yeah, super noisy. But

1702
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:44,732
Speaker 3: you're right. If you don't get that seal absolutely perfect,

1703
01:20:44,973 --> 01:20:46,412
Speaker 3: it just sucks that warmer back.

1704
01:20:46,853 --> 01:20:49,412
Speaker 2: I need you to get aclimatized because because the problem

1705
01:20:49,572 --> 01:20:51,012
Speaker 2: is here, I don't need you to get a climatized

1706
01:20:51,013 --> 01:20:53,412
Speaker 2: because you've become a climatized to like really hot temperatures,

1707
01:20:53,412 --> 01:20:55,892
Speaker 2: and you're running the acc too hot for me because

1708
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:58,533
Speaker 2: because your house is basically an oven.

1709
01:20:58,452 --> 01:21:00,612
Speaker 3: We've abandoned the second story at this point, so I

1710
01:21:00,692 --> 01:21:03,412
Speaker 3: mean there's three rooms that we're not using. It's crazy.

1711
01:21:04,133 --> 01:21:06,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're cooking your food up there. Yeah all right, anyway,

1712
01:21:06,492 --> 01:21:08,732
Speaker 2: sorry I digress. And now the temper which is right

1713
01:21:08,853 --> 01:21:13,213
Speaker 2: just perfectly in my zone zone now or feeling for

1714
01:21:13,812 --> 01:21:16,653
Speaker 2: my goldilock zone for a great chat on bins.

1715
01:21:16,492 --> 01:21:18,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might get me about hot under the collar. Actually,

1716
01:21:18,973 --> 01:21:22,372
Speaker 3: is that the Otuu District Council or the Lakes Council

1717
01:21:22,692 --> 01:21:25,333
Speaker 3: is removing ninety one public bins or they have over

1718
01:21:25,372 --> 01:21:28,293
Speaker 3: the past two years, and they're looking at taking another

1719
01:21:28,372 --> 01:21:32,452
Speaker 3: fifty four as it sees potential for significant savings from

1720
01:21:32,692 --> 01:21:36,732
Speaker 3: encouraging people to take their own rubbish home. So get this.

1721
01:21:36,893 --> 01:21:40,092
Speaker 3: The council said in December it did not expect others

1722
01:21:40,933 --> 01:21:43,293
Speaker 3: or members of the community to pick up others rubbish,

1723
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:46,692
Speaker 3: but appreciated those who did, and it could provide bags

1724
01:21:46,732 --> 01:21:47,893
Speaker 3: and gloves to volunteers.

1725
01:21:48,933 --> 01:21:53,253
Speaker 2: What as your in a perfect world, right, everyone would

1726
01:21:53,253 --> 01:21:55,532
Speaker 2: take their rubbishame with them, you know, and we wouldn't

1727
01:21:55,532 --> 01:21:57,173
Speaker 2: need rubbish bins on the street. No, Actually, that's not

1728
01:21:57,253 --> 01:21:59,972
Speaker 2: a perfect world that the world should have. The councils

1729
01:21:59,973 --> 01:22:02,092
Speaker 2: should put rubbish bins on the streets. So like if

1730
01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:04,412
Speaker 2: you go to a dairy and as you're leaving and

1731
01:22:04,812 --> 01:22:07,213
Speaker 2: you put your pie wrapper in it. That's a basic right.

1732
01:22:08,853 --> 01:22:10,452
Speaker 2: And it's not just an issue of people taking their

1733
01:22:10,532 --> 01:22:14,652
Speaker 2: rubbish home or anything. It's about a council providing the services,

1734
01:22:14,732 --> 01:22:16,812
Speaker 2: the very base level services it should. I mean, what

1735
01:22:16,893 --> 01:22:19,293
Speaker 2: else are they doing? What is their job? What is

1736
01:22:19,333 --> 01:22:21,852
Speaker 2: their job if it doesn't include waste management.

1737
01:22:21,973 --> 01:22:24,812
Speaker 3: Well that's a fair point because the absolute essentials are

1738
01:22:24,853 --> 01:22:28,892
Speaker 3: probably water, making sure the roads are somewhat well, let's

1739
01:22:28,893 --> 01:22:31,612
Speaker 3: not get into potholes each but that should be an essential. Sewage,

1740
01:22:31,853 --> 01:22:33,852
Speaker 3: sewage and waste.

1741
01:22:33,973 --> 01:22:37,133
Speaker 2: So you know, someone can tell me what the absolute

1742
01:22:37,293 --> 01:22:39,293
Speaker 2: basics of a council are and I'm sure that has

1743
01:22:39,372 --> 01:22:41,852
Speaker 2: been that has been laid down in the law somewhere.

1744
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:44,412
Speaker 2: But if you're taking away rubbish bins, you better have

1745
01:22:44,532 --> 01:22:47,852
Speaker 2: removed every other possible thing that you can remove from

1746
01:22:47,893 --> 01:22:51,372
Speaker 2: your budget before you do that. And look, I'm a

1747
01:22:51,412 --> 01:22:53,732
Speaker 2: tidy kiwi. I absolutely I grew up with be a

1748
01:22:53,812 --> 01:22:56,572
Speaker 2: tidy Kiwi campaign and I would never litter. Yeah, I

1749
01:22:56,612 --> 01:22:57,293
Speaker 2: would never litter.

1750
01:22:57,532 --> 01:22:58,132
Speaker 3: No, you wouldn't.

1751
01:22:58,253 --> 01:23:01,492
Speaker 2: But I do expect to have a rubbish bin to

1752
01:23:01,532 --> 01:23:02,892
Speaker 2: put my stuff in to stop me litterly.

1753
01:23:03,053 --> 01:23:05,492
Speaker 3: But if there wasn't one, you would still take your

1754
01:23:05,572 --> 01:23:07,732
Speaker 3: rubbish home, right you would say, look, there's no rubbish bin.

1755
01:23:07,772 --> 01:23:09,572
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit annoyed by that because it should

1756
01:23:09,572 --> 01:23:11,772
Speaker 3: be an essential from the council. But I'm not a

1757
01:23:11,893 --> 01:23:14,333
Speaker 3: dirt bag, So I'm going to take my rubbish back

1758
01:23:14,412 --> 01:23:15,333
Speaker 3: home and put it on my bin.

1759
01:23:16,133 --> 01:23:18,052
Speaker 2: I'm not going to come out of it. Just smash

1760
01:23:18,173 --> 01:23:19,973
Speaker 2: my coke bottle on the ground where the rubbish bin

1761
01:23:20,093 --> 01:23:22,333
Speaker 2: used to be. To make a point, take that all

1762
01:23:23,053 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 2: a council, I think. So you know, obviously rates are

1763
01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:29,933
Speaker 2: going up and that's a problem, right, and I get that,

1764
01:23:30,053 --> 01:23:33,492
Speaker 2: But is it really that? Is it really the rubbish

1765
01:23:33,572 --> 01:23:35,972
Speaker 2: bins and the and the empty and the rubbish bins

1766
01:23:36,053 --> 01:23:39,213
Speaker 2: that's the big problem. I think there's some other waste

1767
01:23:39,853 --> 01:23:43,532
Speaker 2: part in the pun to deal with before you before

1768
01:23:43,532 --> 01:23:45,293
Speaker 2: you get rid of the waist management.

1769
01:23:45,452 --> 01:23:48,133
Speaker 3: Remember those smart bins that they started to roll out

1770
01:23:48,133 --> 01:23:51,293
Speaker 3: across the country, which effectively would alert the council once

1771
01:23:51,412 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 3: they had filled up, because that was always the hard

1772
01:23:53,652 --> 01:23:56,213
Speaker 3: part for councils is they couldn't have a bin guy

1773
01:23:56,372 --> 01:23:59,412
Speaker 3: just going round on a going round on his root

1774
01:23:59,452 --> 01:24:01,572
Speaker 3: every day saying that's still got a bit of room

1775
01:24:01,612 --> 01:24:03,093
Speaker 3: left in it, that's all right for another day.

1776
01:24:04,412 --> 01:24:07,013
Speaker 2: There's probably a really interesting statistical study you could do

1777
01:24:07,093 --> 01:24:09,133
Speaker 2: on it because you see a lot of bins. There's

1778
01:24:09,173 --> 01:24:10,772
Speaker 2: a park near me and one of the bins is

1779
01:24:10,772 --> 01:24:13,372
Speaker 2: always full, but there's there's bins on the way that

1780
01:24:13,412 --> 01:24:15,692
Speaker 2: are completely empty. There's some bins that are just in

1781
01:24:16,893 --> 01:24:20,492
Speaker 2: high high rubbish areas and obviously you know around fast

1782
01:24:20,572 --> 01:24:23,612
Speaker 2: food places, you know that that's a that's a real issue,

1783
01:24:23,652 --> 01:24:26,053
Speaker 2: isn't it right? Yeah, But the idea that people are

1784
01:24:26,093 --> 01:24:27,732
Speaker 2: just not going to litter because you don't have a bin,

1785
01:24:28,133 --> 01:24:29,652
Speaker 2: I mean the council is going to have to clean

1786
01:24:29,692 --> 01:24:31,492
Speaker 2: it up anyway. It's just going to be on the ground.

1787
01:24:31,492 --> 01:24:34,852
Speaker 2: Because not everyone's like you, me and our lovely listeners

1788
01:24:34,893 --> 01:24:38,052
Speaker 2: out there that would pick up their rubbish. Some people

1789
01:24:38,093 --> 01:24:39,253
Speaker 2: are just going to dump it because there's not a

1790
01:24:39,293 --> 01:24:41,852
Speaker 2: rubbish but there. Although I will say some people don't

1791
01:24:41,933 --> 01:24:45,452
Speaker 2: rubbish will just drop there, will drop drop, their packet

1792
01:24:45,492 --> 01:24:49,932
Speaker 2: of chips bag like one meter away from the rubbit exactly.

1793
01:24:50,053 --> 01:24:52,253
Speaker 3: But I just think sometimes dirt bags are going to

1794
01:24:52,293 --> 01:24:54,893
Speaker 3: continue to be dirt bags, like say, dog walkers, and

1795
01:24:55,013 --> 01:24:57,812
Speaker 3: I think dog people most of the time they are

1796
01:24:57,893 --> 01:24:59,532
Speaker 3: the best of us. I'm a dog person, you're a

1797
01:24:59,612 --> 01:25:01,812
Speaker 3: dog person. A lot of New Zealanders are dog people.

1798
01:25:01,893 --> 01:25:03,933
Speaker 2: But I think my dog Cone is listening, you're a

1799
01:25:03,933 --> 01:25:06,933
Speaker 2: good boy lessons. I leave the radio on so you

1800
01:25:06,973 --> 01:25:07,333
Speaker 2: can hear me.

1801
01:25:07,412 --> 01:25:08,133
Speaker 3: So he's the best of us.

1802
01:25:08,412 --> 01:25:12,213
Speaker 2: Good boy dog, your dog, golly doggie Colin, good doggy

1803
01:25:12,293 --> 01:25:13,052
Speaker 2: dog dog dog.

1804
01:25:12,933 --> 01:25:17,572
Speaker 3: Got Colin is the best of us. But for people

1805
01:25:17,652 --> 01:25:20,012
Speaker 3: like you, who has to pick up Colin's droppings, Yeah,

1806
01:25:20,093 --> 01:25:23,692
Speaker 3: because Colin can't do it himself. Obviously you would take that.

1807
01:25:23,893 --> 01:25:25,732
Speaker 3: If you couldn't find a bin, you would still take

1808
01:25:25,812 --> 01:25:27,532
Speaker 3: that back home and put that in a bin.

1809
01:25:27,652 --> 01:25:30,372
Speaker 2: But for a lot of people are like one hundred,

1810
01:25:32,213 --> 01:25:33,532
Speaker 2: he just bag it up and drop.

1811
01:25:33,412 --> 01:25:33,973
Speaker 4: It where it was.

1812
01:25:34,492 --> 01:25:36,053
Speaker 3: That's exactly what a lot of them do.

1813
01:25:36,133 --> 01:25:37,772
Speaker 2: I've actually seen that, and I can't believe it. I

1814
01:25:37,812 --> 01:25:40,532
Speaker 2: can't believe when I see get the arm going just

1815
01:25:40,612 --> 01:25:42,492
Speaker 2: fling it into the bush. I see them on burns

1816
01:25:42,532 --> 01:25:44,652
Speaker 2: so someone they've done half the job. They've bagged up

1817
01:25:44,692 --> 01:25:46,933
Speaker 2: the dog leaving and they've tied it, not on it,

1818
01:25:47,013 --> 01:25:48,732
Speaker 2: and then they've just left it where the dog did it.

1819
01:25:48,812 --> 01:25:51,572
Speaker 2: That's not you're not completing the job. That's not the

1820
01:25:51,612 --> 01:25:52,412
Speaker 2: point of what's going on.

1821
01:25:52,612 --> 01:25:55,293
Speaker 3: It's actually worse than just leaving the dog pooh by

1822
01:25:55,372 --> 01:25:56,652
Speaker 3: itself and placed.

1823
01:25:56,652 --> 01:25:58,333
Speaker 2: At least nature will deal with it if you just

1824
01:25:58,412 --> 01:26:00,852
Speaker 2: leave it where it is. Yeah, so what's your opinion

1825
01:26:00,933 --> 01:26:01,093
Speaker 2: on this?

1826
01:26:01,333 --> 01:26:03,852
Speaker 3: I actually think we should take more responsibility on taking

1827
01:26:03,933 --> 01:26:05,492
Speaker 3: home our own rubbish if we go to the beach

1828
01:26:05,612 --> 01:26:07,973
Speaker 3: or these beautiful lakes in this case and wrote it

1829
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:12,372
Speaker 3: all this was lake okadka. I've removed the bins. But

1830
01:26:12,412 --> 01:26:14,213
Speaker 3: if you go to that beautiful lake with your family

1831
01:26:14,213 --> 01:26:16,213
Speaker 3: and you have a picnic, take your bloom and rubbish

1832
01:26:16,253 --> 01:26:17,772
Speaker 3: home with you. Why do you need a bin to

1833
01:26:17,812 --> 01:26:18,412
Speaker 3: do the right thing.

1834
01:26:18,732 --> 01:26:21,053
Speaker 2: This isn't the first episode of The Madmen I've talked

1835
01:26:21,093 --> 01:26:22,612
Speaker 2: about on the show before where they just go to

1836
01:26:22,692 --> 01:26:25,013
Speaker 2: the picnic and when they leave they just pull they

1837
01:26:25,093 --> 01:26:26,972
Speaker 2: pull the rug up and leave the rubbish there. Because

1838
01:26:27,213 --> 01:26:29,932
Speaker 2: people didn't even think about that back in that era.

1839
01:26:30,452 --> 01:26:32,412
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I get that. I get that idea,

1840
01:26:32,452 --> 01:26:34,293
Speaker 2: and I love that idea, and maybe you should bring

1841
01:26:34,452 --> 01:26:39,133
Speaker 2: you know, leave only footprints to take any photos. Agree

1842
01:26:39,173 --> 01:26:41,973
Speaker 2: without one hundred percent. But not everyone's going to do that.

1843
01:26:42,093 --> 01:26:44,572
Speaker 2: You have you You sometimes just have to cater for

1844
01:26:44,652 --> 01:26:47,572
Speaker 2: some people that are that are going to be dirty dogs.

1845
01:26:47,973 --> 01:26:50,572
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Yeah, well humans are

1846
01:26:50,652 --> 01:26:51,492
Speaker 3: incredibly flawed.

1847
01:26:51,732 --> 01:26:54,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, not me, but other human I just think. But actually, no, no, no, no,

1848
01:26:55,053 --> 01:26:57,013
Speaker 2: even just on a basic the council gives you the

1849
01:26:57,053 --> 01:26:58,892
Speaker 2: bins because so you don't have to take it home.

1850
01:26:59,133 --> 01:27:01,972
Speaker 2: You pay rates. So so when you're out and about

1851
01:27:01,973 --> 01:27:03,213
Speaker 2: and you buy an ice cream and you want to

1852
01:27:03,253 --> 01:27:05,532
Speaker 2: do something with the rapper, then the council has a

1853
01:27:05,612 --> 01:27:06,852
Speaker 2: been there for you to put it in. It's not

1854
01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:09,612
Speaker 2: you don't have to, it's not the most sure, it's virtuous.

1855
01:27:09,853 --> 01:27:11,492
Speaker 2: Is it any more virtuous to take it home than

1856
01:27:11,532 --> 01:27:12,933
Speaker 2: put it in the But I don't know, you're confusing me.

1857
01:27:12,973 --> 01:27:14,852
Speaker 3: Now, let's get into this. Oh one hundred and eighty

1858
01:27:15,013 --> 01:27:18,452
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Do the council owe us our blimen bins

1859
01:27:18,732 --> 01:27:20,412
Speaker 3: or should you just take a little bit of personal

1860
01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:23,452
Speaker 3: responsibility and take home your KFC rapper nine two nine

1861
01:27:23,532 --> 01:27:27,652
Speaker 3: two is the text number. It's a quarterbas three news

1862
01:27:27,692 --> 01:27:29,692
Speaker 3: talk sect that we've been talking about the removal of

1863
01:27:29,772 --> 01:27:31,852
Speaker 3: rubbish bins up and down the country. In the latest

1864
01:27:31,893 --> 01:27:34,452
Speaker 3: case Road to Rua that I've removed ninety one public

1865
01:27:34,532 --> 01:27:36,933
Speaker 3: bins over the past two years and look set to

1866
01:27:36,973 --> 01:27:40,692
Speaker 3: take another fifty four bins away. Matt, you're pretty strong

1867
01:27:40,772 --> 01:27:42,932
Speaker 3: on this. That we pay our rates, that's the that's

1868
01:27:43,013 --> 01:27:46,773
Speaker 3: the bare bones essential, that councilship providers waste disposal.

1869
01:27:46,452 --> 01:27:49,213
Speaker 2: That one hundred percent. You know, you need someone to

1870
01:27:49,253 --> 01:27:51,092
Speaker 2: put your stuff. You know, we want to be tidy kiwis,

1871
01:27:51,133 --> 01:27:52,492
Speaker 2: but we need somewhere to put our stuff, you know.

1872
01:27:52,732 --> 01:27:55,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where do you sit on this?

1873
01:27:57,692 --> 01:27:57,812
Speaker 14: Hi?

1874
01:27:58,133 --> 01:27:58,253
Speaker 8: Hi?

1875
01:27:58,893 --> 01:27:59,053
Speaker 14: Hey?

1876
01:28:00,412 --> 01:28:01,013
Speaker 8: Where do I say?

1877
01:28:01,492 --> 01:28:03,652
Speaker 20: I've already bought this up with our local council.

1878
01:28:06,053 --> 01:28:09,092
Speaker 2: What we're about to be careful, Okay, I've.

1879
01:28:08,933 --> 01:28:11,612
Speaker 20: Got properties and a I know what properties in the

1880
01:28:11,692 --> 01:28:16,412
Speaker 20: white ketto. I won't say too much because you won't

1881
01:28:16,732 --> 01:28:21,612
Speaker 20: like who I am, no name, but yeah, I brought

1882
01:28:21,612 --> 01:28:27,053
Speaker 20: it up. I actually took a video of the absolute

1883
01:28:27,173 --> 01:28:31,652
Speaker 20: selth and trash in the kids park overflowing, steering everywhere,

1884
01:28:32,372 --> 01:28:36,053
Speaker 20: and the near from the town met me and gave

1885
01:28:36,173 --> 01:28:38,852
Speaker 20: me the burbles that they don't have people to do

1886
01:28:38,973 --> 01:28:42,652
Speaker 20: the job. Now, I'm not from either one of those places.

1887
01:28:42,692 --> 01:28:46,053
Speaker 20: They're not poor towns, but also bought it up at

1888
01:28:46,093 --> 01:28:50,092
Speaker 20: the local school. Hey, the schools for the rubbish, there's

1889
01:28:50,133 --> 01:28:55,572
Speaker 20: no opens and the schools either the schools primary schools

1890
01:28:55,732 --> 01:28:58,173
Speaker 20: have to take their rubbish home in their bags and.

1891
01:28:58,253 --> 01:29:00,892
Speaker 2: They and what you're saying is they don't if there's

1892
01:29:00,933 --> 01:29:01,692
Speaker 2: rubbish everywhere.

1893
01:29:03,053 --> 01:29:05,812
Speaker 20: And we've got oh you won't like me again, but

1894
01:29:05,893 --> 01:29:08,532
Speaker 20: we've got a farm. Kids take this stuff home. We

1895
01:29:08,612 --> 01:29:10,732
Speaker 20: put it at the wheely bin. We don't get a

1896
01:29:10,812 --> 01:29:13,492
Speaker 20: council win in the country. We pay private.

1897
01:29:13,732 --> 01:29:14,372
Speaker 8: We've got a bin.

1898
01:29:14,893 --> 01:29:21,173
Speaker 20: I pay numerous rates, numerous you know titles. So yep,

1899
01:29:21,253 --> 01:29:23,532
Speaker 20: we got to pay for that to be packed up. Again,

1900
01:29:24,013 --> 01:29:26,293
Speaker 20: I have ab and b so those little bins that

1901
01:29:26,372 --> 01:29:31,213
Speaker 20: you get, people aren't trained how to take rubbish.

1902
01:29:30,933 --> 01:29:31,812
Speaker 13: From or whatever.

1903
01:29:32,853 --> 01:29:37,293
Speaker 20: So we pay for a private then in town. So yeah,

1904
01:29:38,093 --> 01:29:42,572
Speaker 20: I pay a lot of the council bins, and yet

1905
01:29:42,732 --> 01:29:46,372
Speaker 20: I pay an awful lot of bingbo is tooth looking

1906
01:29:46,492 --> 01:29:50,173
Speaker 20: a lot of properties. So what are councils doing with

1907
01:29:50,372 --> 01:29:50,812
Speaker 20: our money?

1908
01:29:51,492 --> 01:29:51,892
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1909
01:29:52,013 --> 01:29:57,573
Speaker 20: So you part with no shade, Yeah, our most vulnerable.

1910
01:29:58,173 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 20: But get back to rubbish.

1911
01:30:00,612 --> 01:30:03,012
Speaker 2: Well that the thing is so yeah, So you're saying

1912
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:05,452
Speaker 2: that there's rubbish bins that are that are overflowing.

1913
01:30:06,053 --> 01:30:09,293
Speaker 13: So before you stop child's part.

1914
01:30:10,093 --> 01:30:14,852
Speaker 2: So every if before a council stops having bins out

1915
01:30:14,893 --> 01:30:17,572
Speaker 2: there and emptying their bins, they would have to stop

1916
01:30:17,732 --> 01:30:20,253
Speaker 2: so many other things. I can think of so many

1917
01:30:20,333 --> 01:30:22,652
Speaker 2: other things that you'd put a stripe through in the budget.

1918
01:30:24,532 --> 01:30:27,612
Speaker 2: They would have to be doing absolutely nothing, No thrills,

1919
01:30:27,772 --> 01:30:32,093
Speaker 2: no nothing, no special projects.

1920
01:30:32,853 --> 01:30:34,213
Speaker 20: That some of the towns aren't.

1921
01:30:35,013 --> 01:30:38,652
Speaker 8: Look, I give people and our children and these more.

1922
01:30:39,973 --> 01:30:43,692
Speaker 20: Less affluent areas because obviously you're I'm passionate about children

1923
01:30:44,532 --> 01:30:48,133
Speaker 20: on the younger. Our future. Education is our future, it's

1924
01:30:48,173 --> 01:30:51,293
Speaker 20: our change, it's our key. Education is the biggest thing.

1925
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:54,052
Speaker 20: You teach these kids to be tiny kiwis.

1926
01:30:54,093 --> 01:30:55,492
Speaker 15: But where they're going to put their rubbish?

1927
01:30:55,652 --> 01:30:55,972
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1928
01:30:56,173 --> 01:30:59,492
Speaker 20: We have the shopkeepers, our coffee cups. When we're in

1929
01:30:59,532 --> 01:31:02,372
Speaker 20: the places like farmers, there's no way to put your rubbish.

1930
01:31:02,893 --> 01:31:05,013
Speaker 20: Our kids stand there with rubbish. Where do we put it?

1931
01:31:05,412 --> 01:31:06,253
Speaker 8: Now?

1932
01:31:07,812 --> 01:31:10,133
Speaker 3: So I agree with both of your at point, But

1933
01:31:10,293 --> 01:31:12,213
Speaker 3: isn't there something we used to be a lot better

1934
01:31:12,293 --> 01:31:15,293
Speaker 3: with taking personal responsibility of our rubbish. I would argue

1935
01:31:15,452 --> 01:31:18,972
Speaker 3: that even fifteen twenty years ago, certainly we're a lot

1936
01:31:19,053 --> 01:31:21,652
Speaker 3: more tiny kiwis than we are today. Seems to just

1937
01:31:21,853 --> 01:31:24,372
Speaker 3: be a lot of little bugs and deep bags out

1938
01:31:24,372 --> 01:31:26,932
Speaker 3: there now that just throw their letter willing lily whether

1939
01:31:26,973 --> 01:31:27,893
Speaker 3: there's a rubbish bin or not.

1940
01:31:28,893 --> 01:31:33,932
Speaker 20: They're not doing any sports though, I've got ah, I'm

1941
01:31:33,973 --> 01:31:34,532
Speaker 20: not a serrah.

1942
01:31:36,093 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 3: But shouldn't we.

1943
01:31:38,933 --> 01:31:39,893
Speaker 12: Go on you?

1944
01:31:40,213 --> 01:31:45,013
Speaker 3: But isn't there something about teaching kids to take responsibility

1945
01:31:45,133 --> 01:31:45,892
Speaker 3: for their rubbish?

1946
01:31:46,853 --> 01:31:47,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can teach them with the.

1947
01:31:48,013 --> 01:31:49,532
Speaker 15: Pitability and respect.

1948
01:31:49,652 --> 01:31:54,253
Speaker 20: They don't respect themselves, their environment, their property, or anything

1949
01:31:54,333 --> 01:31:57,692
Speaker 20: about themselves. Respect is the biggest thing we've lost in

1950
01:31:57,732 --> 01:31:58,732
Speaker 20: the last twenty years.

1951
01:31:58,772 --> 01:32:00,372
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Well, what i'd say you.

1952
01:32:01,973 --> 01:32:06,092
Speaker 20: Actually, no snacking Cayman has gone around.

1953
01:32:07,893 --> 01:32:08,173
Speaker 19: Sorry.

1954
01:32:08,612 --> 01:32:10,933
Speaker 2: What what I'm saying is that that you say you

1955
01:32:10,973 --> 01:32:12,772
Speaker 2: say til Actually I'm talking to Tyler here about you

1956
01:32:13,372 --> 01:32:15,772
Speaker 2: jumping when you need to so. But so you're saying

1957
01:32:15,812 --> 01:32:18,532
Speaker 2: that that we're we're losing the tidy kiwi thing, you know,

1958
01:32:18,652 --> 01:32:21,572
Speaker 2: and putting rub But the but the image of the

1959
01:32:21,612 --> 01:32:23,973
Speaker 2: tyn kiwi thing is that you're putting it in the

1960
01:32:24,013 --> 01:32:26,572
Speaker 2: bin that that's the tidy kiwi thing is you have

1961
01:32:26,652 --> 01:32:27,972
Speaker 2: the rubbish and you put it in the bin.

1962
01:32:28,253 --> 01:32:32,652
Speaker 3: So you can't with house rubbish, but you could take

1963
01:32:32,652 --> 01:32:33,293
Speaker 3: it to your own.

1964
01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:38,333
Speaker 4: Put.

1965
01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:40,253
Speaker 3: The amount of people that I've seen when those bins

1966
01:32:40,293 --> 01:32:42,372
Speaker 3: have been overflowing and they still think they're doing the

1967
01:32:42,452 --> 01:32:45,612
Speaker 3: right thing. It's when you're at home. Indeed, council you

1968
01:32:45,732 --> 01:32:47,572
Speaker 3: are where. Well, someone's got to empty the bin, but

1969
01:32:47,652 --> 01:32:49,572
Speaker 3: the council doesn't, so they get rid of the bins.

1970
01:32:49,853 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 2: That the point.

1971
01:32:50,532 --> 01:32:52,293
Speaker 8: The point is that they haven't got the people to

1972
01:32:52,412 --> 01:32:52,652
Speaker 8: do it.

1973
01:32:52,772 --> 01:32:55,093
Speaker 2: They told me, But my point is they show the.

1974
01:32:55,093 --> 01:32:56,692
Speaker 20: Councils they don't.

1975
01:32:57,093 --> 01:32:57,692
Speaker 4: What can you do?

1976
01:32:57,973 --> 01:33:00,492
Speaker 20: You give me down there, you show them. Well we

1977
01:33:00,532 --> 01:33:06,053
Speaker 20: get talking mark drives from you know, I'm talking Tongata

1978
01:33:07,013 --> 01:33:13,213
Speaker 20: many odaha, Yeah, I'm just talking one area. Well, thank

1979
01:33:13,213 --> 01:33:18,933
Speaker 20: you so much, talking about r They've got the Flesher's Park, beautiful.

1980
01:33:18,572 --> 01:33:21,372
Speaker 3: Parks, yeah, lovely place. Just no more bins.

1981
01:33:21,452 --> 01:33:25,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's thank you for you, Thank you children, thank you.

1982
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:26,892
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1983
01:33:27,853 --> 01:33:30,013
Speaker 2: I believe that children are a future. Teach them well

1984
01:33:30,053 --> 01:33:31,612
Speaker 2: and let them lead the way, show them all the

1985
01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:35,572
Speaker 2: beauty they possess. I'm a sense of pride to make

1986
01:33:35,652 --> 01:33:41,173
Speaker 2: these See. So you're jumping ahead in the argument, Tyler,

1987
01:33:41,173 --> 01:33:45,772
Speaker 2: because you're saying that people should take the rubbers shown right,

1988
01:33:47,173 --> 01:33:51,012
Speaker 2: because the councils aren't emptying the bins. Yes, I'm saying

1989
01:33:51,053 --> 01:33:54,213
Speaker 2: that the council should provide the bins and empty the bins,

1990
01:33:54,572 --> 01:33:58,213
Speaker 2: and if they don't do that, then they should. They

1991
01:33:58,372 --> 01:34:01,412
Speaker 2: should be cutting nearly everything else. That should be one

1992
01:34:01,452 --> 01:34:03,933
Speaker 2: of the absolute core things they do, that they have

1993
01:34:04,492 --> 01:34:07,133
Speaker 2: bins out in the community, on the streets and the

1994
01:34:07,253 --> 01:34:11,492
Speaker 2: parks where and empty them and regularly so they don't overflow.

1995
01:34:11,652 --> 01:34:13,412
Speaker 3: And that's where the stale mate is happening, isn't it,

1996
01:34:13,492 --> 01:34:16,133
Speaker 3: Because everyone's crying about the rates going up too much,

1997
01:34:16,173 --> 01:34:17,933
Speaker 3: and the council is saying, we can't employ bin me

1998
01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 3: and any boars, so we're going to take away the

1999
01:34:19,452 --> 01:34:21,452
Speaker 3: rubbish bins. And I tend to agree with you. But

2000
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:24,293
Speaker 3: as long as you get everybody to say, hey, counsel

2001
01:34:24,853 --> 01:34:27,133
Speaker 3: forget about the other stuff, forget about Christmas in the park,

2002
01:34:27,253 --> 01:34:28,572
Speaker 3: just give us our blooming bins.

2003
01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:32,133
Speaker 2: Yes, because I think councils counselors often get in there

2004
01:34:32,213 --> 01:34:34,892
Speaker 2: and they have their dream projects, right, and they want

2005
01:34:34,933 --> 01:34:36,412
Speaker 2: to make a mark and they want to have a

2006
01:34:37,173 --> 01:34:40,652
Speaker 2: some kind of a monument to themselves and what they've achieved,

2007
01:34:41,133 --> 01:34:45,492
Speaker 2: and getting bins cleared and new bins isn't good enough

2008
01:34:45,532 --> 01:34:45,732
Speaker 2: for them.

2009
01:34:45,812 --> 01:34:46,213
Speaker 3: Not sexy.

2010
01:34:46,293 --> 01:34:47,892
Speaker 2: But as we say, there needs to be some base

2011
01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:51,333
Speaker 2: things that councils do and before they do anything else.

2012
01:34:51,692 --> 01:34:53,772
Speaker 2: And having bins around for people to put rubbish bin

2013
01:34:53,853 --> 01:34:55,492
Speaker 2: and then emptying the bins is one of them.

2014
01:34:55,572 --> 01:34:57,333
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty are you on

2015
01:34:57,452 --> 01:35:00,333
Speaker 3: Met's side here? It is twenty five past three back

2016
01:35:00,372 --> 01:35:00,892
Speaker 3: in the monc.

2017
01:35:05,333 --> 01:35:08,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh one hundred

2018
01:35:08,732 --> 01:35:12,372
Speaker 1: and eighty eighty on us talk ZB Good afternoon.

2019
01:35:12,452 --> 01:35:16,252
Speaker 3: We're having a heat discussion about rubbish bins, boy.

2020
01:35:16,333 --> 01:35:20,053
Speaker 2: Boy bins, Tyler. I just I don't know. I can't

2021
01:35:20,053 --> 01:35:21,852
Speaker 2: even look at you with your your opinion on this.

2022
01:35:22,692 --> 01:35:25,372
Speaker 3: Really upset you, isn't it. It's really you should screen

2023
01:35:25,812 --> 01:35:26,372
Speaker 3: to clarify.

2024
01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:29,293
Speaker 2: So Rothro is looking at taking away it's bins, right yep.

2025
01:35:30,013 --> 01:35:32,093
Speaker 2: And people are really asked just to take the rubbis show. Yeah,

2026
01:35:32,412 --> 01:35:33,412
Speaker 2: and you think that's a good thing.

2027
01:35:33,492 --> 01:35:36,372
Speaker 3: And they're going to provide bags and gloves if you

2028
01:35:36,452 --> 01:35:37,132
Speaker 3: go into.

2029
01:35:36,933 --> 01:35:38,253
Speaker 2: The council to get them. If you want to pick

2030
01:35:38,293 --> 01:35:40,253
Speaker 2: up the do their job for them, they will give

2031
01:35:40,333 --> 01:35:42,173
Speaker 2: you a bag and some gloves if you're going to

2032
01:35:42,213 --> 01:35:44,932
Speaker 2: do their job for them. Yeah, you know, well I'll

2033
01:35:44,973 --> 01:35:48,372
Speaker 2: give the council a headphone and some headphones and a microphone.

2034
01:35:48,372 --> 01:35:50,293
Speaker 2: They can come and do my job for me. They'll

2035
01:35:50,293 --> 01:35:51,173
Speaker 2: probably do a better job.

2036
01:35:51,412 --> 01:35:55,293
Speaker 3: Well, here's a good text here, guys. I don't know.

2037
01:35:55,452 --> 01:35:59,853
Speaker 3: Maybe McDonald's and KFC and all of those private businesses

2038
01:35:59,973 --> 01:36:02,612
Speaker 3: that provide all that rubbish should take some more responsibility

2039
01:36:02,692 --> 01:36:03,972
Speaker 3: for their customers being toiled.

2040
01:36:04,093 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with that. I agree with that that

2041
01:36:06,612 --> 01:36:08,612
Speaker 2: that you know around and Lock. I'm a huge fan

2042
01:36:08,692 --> 01:36:12,492
Speaker 2: of those organizations. And but there's a lot of rubbish

2043
01:36:12,492 --> 01:36:16,452
Speaker 2: around there, a lot of rubbish, and you know, you know,

2044
01:36:16,532 --> 01:36:19,173
Speaker 2: you you could have just lines and lines and lines

2045
01:36:19,213 --> 01:36:21,732
Speaker 2: of bins that the council would have to remove. But

2046
01:36:21,933 --> 01:36:25,093
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you know, maybe they I'm sure

2047
01:36:25,133 --> 01:36:26,652
Speaker 2: they do to a certain extent because I love the

2048
01:36:26,933 --> 01:36:28,852
Speaker 2: need and Park. Right now, after a big concert, Eden

2049
01:36:28,893 --> 01:36:30,572
Speaker 2: Park sends out people to pick up the rubbih off

2050
01:36:30,572 --> 01:36:30,932
Speaker 2: the streets.

2051
01:36:31,013 --> 01:36:32,452
Speaker 3: Yep, that's council workers, isn't it.

2052
01:36:32,853 --> 01:36:35,372
Speaker 2: I don't think what's that volunteers? No, the council is

2053
01:36:35,452 --> 01:36:37,253
Speaker 2: very hostile to Eden Park. They're trying and make it

2054
01:36:37,293 --> 01:36:39,412
Speaker 2: as hard as they can to do anything. But no,

2055
01:36:39,893 --> 01:36:42,293
Speaker 2: they send people out, you know. And actually there's a

2056
01:36:42,293 --> 01:36:43,932
Speaker 2: guy on my street that goes and picks up rubbish.

2057
01:36:44,612 --> 01:36:48,492
Speaker 2: I watch them and I respect him. Is that what

2058
01:36:48,612 --> 01:36:50,572
Speaker 2: he does all day? Just he volunteers all day. He

2059
01:36:50,652 --> 01:36:52,812
Speaker 2: just goes out and picks up some rubbish. Him he's

2060
01:36:52,812 --> 01:36:54,812
Speaker 2: a great key with Yeah. I think he's got a problem,

2061
01:36:54,893 --> 01:36:58,372
Speaker 2: but the problem's helping me anyway. That's that's by the by.

2062
01:36:58,492 --> 01:37:01,133
Speaker 2: Let's get back to this topic. So rubbish bins. Should

2063
01:37:01,213 --> 01:37:03,572
Speaker 2: councils be putting rubbish bins on the streets and in

2064
01:37:03,692 --> 01:37:05,852
Speaker 2: our parks and emptying them? Is that one of their

2065
01:37:06,013 --> 01:37:07,852
Speaker 2: core principles of being a council?

2066
01:37:08,372 --> 01:37:10,173
Speaker 3: Pay your rates for love to hear from you on this,

2067
01:37:10,372 --> 01:37:12,412
Speaker 3: Just quickly text to get our guys at work in

2068
01:37:12,452 --> 01:37:15,253
Speaker 3: Japan they have no roachpins. I'm going to dig into that. Morris,

2069
01:37:15,293 --> 01:37:15,652
Speaker 3: how are you.

2070
01:37:17,133 --> 01:37:19,612
Speaker 8: Very good? I can't believe Tyler, you're so woke about this.

2071
01:37:19,812 --> 01:37:27,012
Speaker 8: This is ridiculous. We pay rates for core services, you know, sewage, water, rubbish,

2072
01:37:27,173 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 8: all that stuff. Yep, my rate to fifty nine thousand

2073
01:37:30,933 --> 01:37:31,253
Speaker 8: a year.

2074
01:37:31,412 --> 01:37:34,652
Speaker 3: And you know how to get for that Jesus fifty thousand.

2075
01:37:35,253 --> 01:37:38,692
Speaker 3: How many properties have got farm? Oh okay, right, that's yeah, yeah, gotcha.

2076
01:37:38,853 --> 01:37:42,492
Speaker 8: So we get zero on metal road, no rubbish, no water,

2077
01:37:42,692 --> 01:37:45,893
Speaker 8: no sewers, know nothing. And now I go to the

2078
01:37:45,973 --> 01:37:48,013
Speaker 8: park in town with the kids and then we've got

2079
01:37:48,053 --> 01:37:49,053
Speaker 8: to take a rubbish home.

2080
01:37:50,093 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good.

2081
01:37:51,933 --> 01:37:53,412
Speaker 8: You know how much they're going to say by doing

2082
01:37:53,532 --> 01:37:55,253
Speaker 8: ninety bins, you know how much self save a year,

2083
01:37:55,853 --> 01:37:58,412
Speaker 8: sixty hours a years. All are going to say that's

2084
01:37:58,452 --> 01:38:02,133
Speaker 8: how to sthetic the count They should stop having the

2085
01:38:02,173 --> 01:38:05,692
Speaker 8: sausage rolls at their meetings and save more money. No

2086
01:38:05,893 --> 01:38:08,772
Speaker 8: more coffees. Take the coffee machine under the council. Get

2087
01:38:08,772 --> 01:38:13,532
Speaker 8: the free coffees. If you want to say there there on.

2088
01:38:13,492 --> 01:38:16,013
Speaker 2: The incident, they're on the on the greggs. They're better

2089
01:38:16,013 --> 01:38:16,932
Speaker 2: be on the red ribbond roast.

2090
01:38:16,933 --> 01:38:18,612
Speaker 3: And there's no more rolls at lunch time?

2091
01:38:18,732 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 14: Is it?

2092
01:38:20,732 --> 01:38:24,572
Speaker 8: If you be to one of those council meetings, all

2093
01:38:24,652 --> 01:38:25,692
Speaker 8: the club sand which.

2094
01:38:25,612 --> 01:38:28,932
Speaker 2: Is at all that stuff, shout out to the ladies

2095
01:38:28,973 --> 01:38:32,333
Speaker 2: and Morris before before you cut the bins. You should

2096
01:38:32,372 --> 01:38:34,972
Speaker 2: cut a lot of things like bens. You're putting bins

2097
01:38:35,013 --> 01:38:36,933
Speaker 2: out and evening bens should be should be one of

2098
01:38:36,973 --> 01:38:40,372
Speaker 2: the base rock things. You know, you basically you know

2099
01:38:40,452 --> 01:38:43,013
Speaker 2: you basically don't have any council chambers before you go there.

2100
01:38:44,013 --> 01:38:46,093
Speaker 8: But you know all those health and safety half which

2101
01:38:46,093 --> 01:38:48,652
Speaker 8: they had running around, the health and safety chicks they

2102
01:38:48,732 --> 01:38:51,053
Speaker 8: had like sus been of them running round just in

2103
01:38:51,213 --> 01:38:53,852
Speaker 8: west Auckland. Get rid of half and then you don't

2104
01:38:53,853 --> 01:38:56,293
Speaker 8: even admits the over police of you're talking out before.

2105
01:38:57,572 --> 01:38:58,492
Speaker 8: And that's what waynes On.

2106
01:38:58,853 --> 01:39:00,612
Speaker 3: You pay your rates right, and you pay quite a

2107
01:39:00,692 --> 01:39:02,732
Speaker 3: lot of rates because you've got a big farm. The

2108
01:39:02,812 --> 01:39:05,532
Speaker 3: council provides you a been correct at your farm. You've

2109
01:39:05,572 --> 01:39:07,493
Speaker 3: got to we've been there that the council provides.

2110
01:39:07,213 --> 01:39:08,932
Speaker 8: You did nothing.

2111
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:11,572
Speaker 3: Well, what do you mean you don't get a bin

2112
01:39:11,652 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 3: from your council at your home.

2113
01:39:14,013 --> 01:39:16,892
Speaker 8: No, we're down a middle road, like twenty k's down

2114
01:39:16,933 --> 01:39:19,372
Speaker 8: the middle road. We get not nothing zero. We have

2115
01:39:19,492 --> 01:39:21,612
Speaker 8: no sewage because we set the tank. We have no

2116
01:39:21,732 --> 01:39:25,692
Speaker 8: water because we're on rain water, right, we have nothing zero? Well,

2117
01:39:25,732 --> 01:39:27,012
Speaker 8: no really but no nothing.

2118
01:39:27,173 --> 01:39:29,133
Speaker 3: Well, I can't defend your counsel Morris, I think I

2119
01:39:29,173 --> 01:39:30,892
Speaker 3: think we're all ira your situation.

2120
01:39:32,372 --> 01:39:35,972
Speaker 8: It's it's absued and if you look at every farm

2121
01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:37,692
Speaker 8: and the HMA's on the same we get nothing out

2122
01:39:37,732 --> 01:39:39,492
Speaker 8: of it. But you go to town and watch kid's

2123
01:39:39,492 --> 01:39:41,253
Speaker 8: play sport. Now they're taking then other sim's away.

2124
01:39:41,532 --> 01:39:45,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I don't think anyone can argue

2125
01:39:45,732 --> 01:39:50,052
Speaker 3: against your situation, Morris. I mean is what Yeah, Kerry Cary,

2126
01:39:50,692 --> 01:39:51,213
Speaker 3: if I see a.

2127
01:39:51,253 --> 01:39:52,892
Speaker 8: Kid in the park and they pick that up, mother,

2128
01:39:52,973 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 8: than that boon. You know, that's how you live in

2129
01:39:56,213 --> 01:39:58,812
Speaker 8: because someone tells you what to do.

2130
01:39:58,973 --> 01:40:00,973
Speaker 2: Okay, that was the whole Tody the whole Tody Key

2131
01:40:01,013 --> 01:40:04,692
Speaker 2: We campaign, Morris was about putting things in public bins.

2132
01:40:04,732 --> 01:40:06,973
Speaker 2: That's that's how you don't listen. You don't lets her

2133
01:40:06,973 --> 01:40:08,852
Speaker 2: by putting it in the burns. I mean, good luck

2134
01:40:08,893 --> 01:40:12,213
Speaker 2: getting kids to take all their rubbish home and you're

2135
01:40:12,372 --> 01:40:15,812
Speaker 2: you're you're in your amazing world, Titler that you're talking about.

2136
01:40:15,853 --> 01:40:18,893
Speaker 2: Who are these kids that fly in on unicorns and

2137
01:40:18,973 --> 01:40:19,812
Speaker 2: take their rubbish home?

2138
01:40:19,933 --> 01:40:21,492
Speaker 3: But how many bins do we need in life?

2139
01:40:21,532 --> 01:40:21,652
Speaker 9: You know?

2140
01:40:21,772 --> 01:40:23,173
Speaker 3: Are we going to have bins in the back country

2141
01:40:23,173 --> 01:40:24,692
Speaker 3: of New Zealand for all the hunters are out.

2142
01:40:24,772 --> 01:40:26,652
Speaker 2: The amount of bons that we regularly have in the

2143
01:40:26,692 --> 01:40:28,492
Speaker 2: town until they started taking them out would be good.

2144
01:40:28,532 --> 01:40:29,293
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

2145
01:40:29,412 --> 01:40:30,333
Speaker 3: So you want that ninety one?

2146
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 2: I want the bins I had in the in the

2147
01:40:33,692 --> 01:40:35,412
Speaker 2: early two thousands. But hey, thank you so much for

2148
01:40:35,452 --> 01:40:38,892
Speaker 2: you call Morris. When we get back there, there's good.

2149
01:40:39,013 --> 01:40:40,412
Speaker 3: We go to the news here, do we are we

2150
01:40:40,452 --> 01:40:41,892
Speaker 3: going to new Yeah, we've got headlines coming up here.

2151
01:40:41,933 --> 01:40:43,692
Speaker 2: We go to headlines up. There's there's a lot of

2152
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Speaker 2: thoughts coming through on not only this burns boy, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: this is a hot topic, but also on wrapping dog

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Speaker 2: leavings by biodegradable products and plastic and leaving it for

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Speaker 2: a thousand years.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be good. It's twenty seven or four.

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Speaker 4: News talks.

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Speaker 14: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

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Speaker 14: with a blue bubble. The government's announced two major moves

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Speaker 14: today and labeled in West New Zealand, aiming to help

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Speaker 14: encourage foreign investment by providing a one stop shop offering

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Speaker 14: tailored support. In the Prime Minister's detail, plans for a

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Speaker 14: shake up of scientific research, reducing our seven Crown research

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Speaker 14: institutes into three public research organizations and disestablishing the crown

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Speaker 14: entity Callahan Innovation. A fourth research organization will be created

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Speaker 14: to focus on AI and advanced tech. More than one

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Speaker 14: hundred lambs have been killed in Auckland by three dogs

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Speaker 14: roaming at Monuco's Puenui Reserve farm on two days this week.

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Speaker 14: Eighty six other sheep have been injured. The White House

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Speaker 14: has confirmed government employees and diversity offices are being put

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Speaker 14: on paid leave as the new president works to ax

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Speaker 14: diversity programs. They support disadvantage groups like women, ethnic minorities,

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Speaker 14: and lbed lgbt QI people, but Donald Trump claims they

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Speaker 14: discriminate against white people, particularly men. Apartment developer declares insolvency,

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Speaker 14: owing three point seven six million dollars seymore at enzid

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Speaker 14: Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. Sorry, we just we're having

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01:42:28,253 --> 01:42:30,293
Speaker 3: a massive debate off here about rubbish bins. We're going

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Speaker 3: to bring it on here right now. I haven't changed,

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Speaker 3: so I haven't changed my opinion yet. I think we

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Speaker 3: need to do better to take some personal responsibility.

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Speaker 2: So your opinion as just to recap your shaky shaky

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Speaker 2: logical ground, but is that the council should not have

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Speaker 2: bins and should not empty them for people. We're talking

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01:42:46,053 --> 01:42:48,372
Speaker 2: about bins on the street and parks and stuff, but

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Speaker 2: people should just take their own rubbish home.

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01:42:51,772 --> 01:42:54,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right that they give me a bin.

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01:42:55,053 --> 01:42:57,452
Speaker 3: The council gives me a bin at home right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And if I go down to the beach for a

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01:42:59,973 --> 01:43:02,732
Speaker 3: lovely picnic with Pepper and Mave, then I'll bring my

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01:43:02,853 --> 01:43:05,932
Speaker 3: CAFC wrapper back, or indeed if I eat it near CAFC,

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Speaker 3: which I quite often do. In the car park, We're

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01:43:07,893 --> 01:43:10,932
Speaker 3: just going to use epen. No, that's a private enterprise,

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01:43:10,933 --> 01:43:15,093
Speaker 3: all right, Okay, okay, you've got some texts there. Look

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01:43:15,093 --> 01:43:17,452
Speaker 3: I'm getting an absolute spanking and I'm loving it. You know,

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01:43:17,612 --> 01:43:19,253
Speaker 3: I been wrong with a spanking every now and again.

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Speaker 8: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number. Oh, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty as number. Bins are also

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01:43:24,013 --> 01:43:26,133
Speaker 2: useful for tourists, especially if they are traveling on a

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01:43:26,173 --> 01:43:30,492
Speaker 2: bus and don't have room for their rubbish. Exactly, they

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01:43:30,532 --> 01:43:33,213
Speaker 2: want us to use public transport difficult take rubbish and

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01:43:33,293 --> 01:43:36,572
Speaker 2: two types of clothes and shopping cars are good for that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a really good point. What about people that

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01:43:38,572 --> 01:43:41,053
Speaker 2: aren't driving around and your fancy hybrid you know that

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01:43:41,173 --> 01:43:42,812
Speaker 2: can put their KFC in the back seat and leave

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01:43:42,853 --> 01:43:43,532
Speaker 2: it there for two years.

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01:43:43,572 --> 01:43:45,932
Speaker 3: Just get a car, you know, if you live in Auckland,

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Speaker 3: eighty is terrible And.

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Speaker 2: Onto the topic we were talking about before about a

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01:43:50,053 --> 01:43:52,133
Speaker 2: dog leavings and how there's this new thing where there

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01:43:52,173 --> 01:43:54,772
Speaker 2: are no bins where people will bag up there the

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01:43:54,853 --> 01:43:57,412
Speaker 2: dog leaving but just leave it on the boom where

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01:43:57,452 --> 01:43:59,812
Speaker 2: it would have been, which is hugely not the point,

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01:44:00,412 --> 01:44:03,253
Speaker 2: aside from wrapping a biodegradable pooh and a bag that

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01:44:03,372 --> 01:44:05,572
Speaker 2: lasts one thousand years. Council got rid of the bins

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01:44:05,612 --> 01:44:08,612
Speaker 2: in our park and people just shuck their dog grows

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01:44:08,652 --> 01:44:09,532
Speaker 2: with the bit used to be.

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01:44:12,253 --> 01:44:14,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I concede that point. I mean that blows my

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01:44:14,532 --> 01:44:17,652
Speaker 3: mind when you see the plastic bag full of dog

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01:44:17,692 --> 01:44:19,333
Speaker 3: pool in the middle of the bush. So someone must

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01:44:19,372 --> 01:44:21,893
Speaker 3: have got the swing on with the arm and just

2223
01:44:22,013 --> 01:44:23,133
Speaker 3: flung that into the bush.

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01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:25,093
Speaker 2: Just pick it up your hand and have it into

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01:44:25,133 --> 01:44:27,053
Speaker 2: the bush. Do you know what I like? I like

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01:44:27,133 --> 01:44:30,213
Speaker 2: the cute little dog shaped dog leaving bins that you

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01:44:30,293 --> 01:44:32,333
Speaker 2: get in dog parks, the green ones and they're a

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01:44:32,372 --> 01:44:33,052
Speaker 2: shape of a doggy.

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01:44:33,133 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 3: That's cute. You feel home when you see how you mate?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 18: Yeah mate, Yeah. I in a major retail complex in

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01:44:44,372 --> 01:44:47,972
Speaker 18: the South Island, and I want to say weird. Until recently,

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01:44:48,133 --> 01:44:52,932
Speaker 18: we never had rubbish chins. Just recently put someone who

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01:44:52,973 --> 01:44:55,213
Speaker 18: is about ten businesses where I am.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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01:44:57,492 --> 01:45:00,213
Speaker 18: One night I was biking home in this car pulled

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01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:05,133
Speaker 18: up and emptied its household rubbish into a trolley. The

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01:45:05,253 --> 01:45:09,133
Speaker 18: reason we don't have the reason we do have things

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01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:12,493
Speaker 18: was because of that. Members of the public are disgusting.

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Speaker 18: They just rock up with their household rubbish and leave

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Speaker 18: it in a trolley and drive wolf. I caught this

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01:45:18,532 --> 01:45:21,213
Speaker 18: person one night when I was leaving work and I

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01:45:21,293 --> 01:45:24,053
Speaker 18: said to them, and they said, who cares, it's not

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01:45:24,173 --> 01:45:25,972
Speaker 18: my problem and just drove off.

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01:45:26,213 --> 01:45:27,772
Speaker 2: Oh you met, Like, what do you mean like a

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01:45:27,853 --> 01:45:28,572
Speaker 2: shopping trolley?

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01:45:29,612 --> 01:45:32,692
Speaker 18: Yeah, they just nted their household rubbish into a shopping

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01:45:32,732 --> 01:45:34,612
Speaker 18: trolley and left and drove home.

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01:45:35,372 --> 01:45:35,492
Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 18: People don't People don't care. Guys. You know you can

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01:45:38,772 --> 01:45:42,053
Speaker 18: say what you're like, and that's why. But that now

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01:45:42,213 --> 01:45:44,972
Speaker 18: we have a couple of rubbish tins and our complex

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01:45:45,492 --> 01:45:49,293
Speaker 18: and they're always full. The worst one I've ever seen

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01:45:49,452 --> 01:45:52,213
Speaker 18: is in our complex. As I said, I don't want

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Speaker 18: to tell you which store I work at. The worst

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01:45:55,933 --> 01:45:59,412
Speaker 18: one I ever saw was at Christmas. This family wrapped

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01:45:59,492 --> 01:46:04,092
Speaker 18: up in its and its wagon the baby that obviously

2258
01:46:04,732 --> 01:46:08,093
Speaker 18: done business. They cleaned the nappies up and chapped in

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01:46:08,133 --> 01:46:09,772
Speaker 18: their he's on the ground and drove off.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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01:46:11,412 --> 01:46:13,372
Speaker 2: People disgusting.

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Speaker 18: They couldn't care this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, John. Yeah, I

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01:46:18,812 --> 01:46:20,493
Speaker 2: mean that's not that's disgusting.

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Speaker 3: That is disgusting. Was he becking you or me? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think that was a that was almost a sidersh

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01:46:25,253 --> 01:46:26,373
Speaker 3: it was. It was disgusting.

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Speaker 2: I think was a plague on all of society. I mean,

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Speaker 2: but no kind of becking me, because my point is

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01:46:32,612 --> 01:46:34,852
Speaker 2: your point is everyone should take their rubbish home. And

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01:46:35,213 --> 01:46:38,572
Speaker 2: and what he's saying is people are just dumbing nappies everywhere.

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01:46:38,572 --> 01:46:40,253
Speaker 2: Those people are never going to take You know that

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01:46:40,492 --> 01:46:43,053
Speaker 2: that particular family's ever going to take their rubbish home

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01:46:43,093 --> 01:46:45,892
Speaker 2: because the council hasn't provided a rubbish pin. But there's

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Speaker 2: a slightly better chance that they're going to put that

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01:46:47,692 --> 01:46:50,053
Speaker 2: nappy in the rubbish pin if there's if there's one

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01:46:50,692 --> 01:46:53,572
Speaker 2: one one there, I guess yeah, yeah, slightly.

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Speaker 3: Is better than nothing. I suppose one hundred and eighty

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01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:58,293
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call Vicky. How are

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Speaker 3: you hi.

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Speaker 19: I've got a couple of points. I'd better say them

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01:47:02,812 --> 01:47:06,732
Speaker 19: before I forget, and then we can discuss first. I've

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01:47:06,933 --> 01:47:09,412
Speaker 19: been professional ninety for years, find out in the parks,

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01:47:10,093 --> 01:47:12,093
Speaker 19: out in the battle with little ones the whole time.

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01:47:12,612 --> 01:47:16,572
Speaker 19: I'm a mungray Bridge and we are being encroached South Auckland.

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01:47:16,612 --> 01:47:20,852
Speaker 19: People are absolutely freaking disgusting. But it has been It's

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01:47:20,933 --> 01:47:23,093
Speaker 19: not just New taking the bins away. I think it

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01:47:23,173 --> 01:47:27,053
Speaker 19: has been a policy that has been happening because New

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01:47:27,452 --> 01:47:30,253
Speaker 19: I've been collecting rubbish. I'm one of those terrible people.

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01:47:30,692 --> 01:47:34,293
Speaker 19: I've been collecting rubbish for probably fifteen years along Wallace

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01:47:34,293 --> 01:47:36,213
Speaker 19: Thrown and Mungray Bridge, which is where you go from

2292
01:47:36,253 --> 01:47:39,012
Speaker 19: the airport to come around to get on the motorway.

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01:47:39,093 --> 01:47:44,253
Speaker 19: So it's not local and walk my dog, wear gloves,

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01:47:44,853 --> 01:47:46,412
Speaker 19: take a bin and you know, a.

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01:47:46,452 --> 01:47:47,293
Speaker 15: Bag and collect it.

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01:47:47,772 --> 01:47:51,532
Speaker 19: But new new bus stops that are put in as

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01:47:51,572 --> 01:47:56,572
Speaker 19: a policy no longer have rubbish bins. People do not

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01:47:56,853 --> 01:48:00,012
Speaker 19: get off the bus and not put They just throw

2299
01:48:00,133 --> 01:48:05,492
Speaker 19: it on the ground. Yeah, so it's we're being told

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01:48:05,732 --> 01:48:10,333
Speaker 19: as a nation to change our own headspace. But I

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01:48:10,492 --> 01:48:12,972
Speaker 19: am very much of the belief because I'm a rape

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01:48:13,013 --> 01:48:16,612
Speaker 19: prayer that rubbish is one of your basics.

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01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:20,133
Speaker 2: Agreed, it's one of the basic jobs thing.

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01:48:20,933 --> 01:48:23,612
Speaker 19: Yeah, And my second thing was I used to see

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01:48:23,853 --> 01:48:27,293
Speaker 19: the rubbish being collected among Rootbridge every second day along

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01:48:27,412 --> 01:48:31,972
Speaker 19: the waterfront. I would then, as I would continue walking,

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01:48:32,372 --> 01:48:34,053
Speaker 19: see them park up and sleep.

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01:48:33,853 --> 01:48:34,572
Speaker 8: For three hours.

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01:48:36,013 --> 01:48:41,852
Speaker 19: So my issue with the freaking Waine thought, your workers out,

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01:48:42,492 --> 01:48:45,452
Speaker 19: don't take the bins out, make it efficient before you

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01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:48,213
Speaker 19: start ripping bins out. And also have you guys you

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01:48:48,253 --> 01:48:51,972
Speaker 19: know obviously you know I saw where all the bins

2313
01:48:52,013 --> 01:48:52,452
Speaker 19: were tipped.

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01:48:53,933 --> 01:48:59,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it would go into my argument. Yeah,

2315
01:48:59,853 --> 01:49:02,173
Speaker 3: you're quite right, But wouldn't they go into my argument?

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01:49:02,213 --> 01:49:06,093
Speaker 3: VICKI and I suppose where I'm getting not confused. But

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01:49:06,253 --> 01:49:08,732
Speaker 3: but there was a time not that long long ago

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01:49:08,853 --> 01:49:11,732
Speaker 3: where we were far tidy. There wasn't as much letter around.

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01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:14,732
Speaker 3: We took a little bit more personal responsibility as.

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Speaker 19: I'm a nanny and my little girl she wanted to

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01:49:17,253 --> 01:49:19,253
Speaker 19: pick up everything and put it in the bin. That

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01:49:19,452 --> 01:49:21,133
Speaker 19: is one of the things we did. In fact, I

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01:49:21,253 --> 01:49:24,092
Speaker 19: used to take gloves because she was so fanatic, because

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01:49:24,133 --> 01:49:27,293
Speaker 19: we would be in tidy keepers. You're not going to

2325
01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:30,572
Speaker 19: pick up crap and put it in your pockets because

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01:49:30,692 --> 01:49:31,412
Speaker 19: that is growth.

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01:49:31,652 --> 01:49:33,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, double beds and that is wrong.

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01:49:34,213 --> 01:49:37,973
Speaker 19: Yeah, you can't double bag stuff because there are no

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01:49:38,093 --> 01:49:41,612
Speaker 19: more plastic bags when we don't go out with plastic bags.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll VICKI, but can I just go back

2331
01:49:45,812 --> 01:49:47,452
Speaker 2: to something you said before before when you said one

2332
01:49:47,452 --> 01:49:48,852
Speaker 2: of you one of the one of those terrible people

2333
01:49:48,933 --> 01:49:51,012
Speaker 2: that picks up rubbish. You're one of the great people.

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01:49:51,732 --> 01:49:53,452
Speaker 2: Do you mean that's a fantastic thing?

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01:49:53,893 --> 01:49:56,612
Speaker 19: But you already said no, I've already heard. Oh you

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01:49:56,732 --> 01:49:58,253
Speaker 19: picked up rubbish's probably a bit weird.

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01:49:58,492 --> 01:50:00,812
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I said, I really appreciate it.

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01:50:00,933 --> 01:50:02,852
Speaker 2: It is but weird, but I appreciate the weirdness. Some

2339
01:50:02,933 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 2: weirdness is great, Vicky. Some weirdness the same way.

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01:50:07,372 --> 01:50:12,213
Speaker 19: Every day, and it's just and it's night trus it's

2341
01:50:13,412 --> 01:50:17,173
Speaker 19: you know, there's gas canisters. It is not stuff you

2342
01:50:17,293 --> 01:50:18,492
Speaker 19: want kids to come across.

2343
01:50:20,213 --> 01:50:21,293
Speaker 15: Anyway, it's past a.

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01:50:21,372 --> 01:50:24,532
Speaker 19: Whole load I want in this walk, I walk past

2345
01:50:24,692 --> 01:50:28,812
Speaker 19: four bus stops. One bus stop has a bin, it

2346
01:50:29,053 --> 01:50:33,692
Speaker 19: is full, it gets emptied every day, and the other

2347
01:50:33,853 --> 01:50:37,372
Speaker 19: three bus stops which are new and they always get

2348
01:50:37,412 --> 01:50:39,732
Speaker 19: smashed up because they're in South Auckland and people have

2349
01:50:40,213 --> 01:50:44,293
Speaker 19: no respect and it is disgusting the behavior around here

2350
01:50:44,692 --> 01:50:49,452
Speaker 19: near my doggie Park, Creamery Road by the airport, massive

2351
01:50:49,572 --> 01:50:53,253
Speaker 19: dumping ground. People just don't seem to be intelligent enough

2352
01:50:53,893 --> 01:50:58,412
Speaker 19: to know when there's an inorganic so just lazy. If

2353
01:50:58,492 --> 01:51:01,293
Speaker 19: I really really got into it, I could probably go

2354
01:51:01,452 --> 01:51:03,932
Speaker 19: through it and send information to the council so they

2355
01:51:03,973 --> 01:51:06,893
Speaker 19: could go after people. But I'm not that upsets it

2356
01:51:07,133 --> 01:51:07,852
Speaker 19: just annoys me.

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01:51:08,333 --> 01:51:10,412
Speaker 2: I will think a lot of people Vicky I get it,

2358
01:51:10,572 --> 01:51:13,652
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what picking up rubbish as Vicky

2359
01:51:13,732 --> 01:51:15,932
Speaker 2: does and the guy near my house is as addictive.

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01:51:16,253 --> 01:51:18,852
Speaker 2: Because my son was doing the William Pike Challenge and

2361
01:51:18,973 --> 01:51:20,812
Speaker 2: intermediate well, you have to do a certain amount of

2362
01:51:20,812 --> 01:51:22,732
Speaker 2: community service and we decided to do a lot of

2363
01:51:22,772 --> 01:51:25,852
Speaker 2: rubbish picking up and it feels good. We were going

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01:51:25,853 --> 01:51:28,333
Speaker 2: out with bags picking up rubbish in the community and

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Speaker 2: you get to the point where you're really excited. If

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01:51:30,213 --> 01:51:32,093
Speaker 2: we found some rubbish over there by the railway tracks.

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Speaker 2: I got some rubbis because we had a certain amount

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Speaker 2: of bags we need to pick up. It's very satisfying.

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Speaker 3: I can see your eyes lined up when you're talking.

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Speaker 2: About we got a stick with a with a nail

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Speaker 2: on the end of it to poke the rubbish and

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01:51:41,732 --> 01:51:43,492
Speaker 2: put it in the bag. It's you've got to be careful.

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Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope to just becoming one of those

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01:51:45,333 --> 01:51:48,492
Speaker 2: people that can't walk around without picking up rubbish. Well,

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01:51:48,492 --> 01:51:50,692
Speaker 2: look slippery slope. But we need more of them. But

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01:51:50,772 --> 01:51:52,372
Speaker 2: but I started just doing it on my own time

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01:51:52,452 --> 01:51:55,812
Speaker 2: outside of the William Pike Challenge when my son had

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Speaker 2: got the award. Yeah, it's a slippery slide's adictive key.

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Speaker 3: We were doing that, and I bet you took that

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Speaker 3: rubbish home, didn't you. One hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call fourteen to four.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

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01:52:12,412 --> 01:52:16,333
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety attention

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01:52:16,452 --> 01:52:18,972
Speaker 1: to detail and a commitment to comfort news talk.

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Speaker 2: Sa'd be hate a topic going on around bins here,

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01:52:21,853 --> 01:52:23,772
Speaker 2: and I thought they're looking at getting rid of those

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01:52:23,772 --> 01:52:25,452
Speaker 2: bins that you have in parks. And on the streets

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01:52:25,532 --> 01:52:28,012
Speaker 2: and asking people just take the whole rubbish home. Tyler

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01:52:28,053 --> 01:52:29,532
Speaker 2: thinks is a great idea and that we should all

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01:52:29,612 --> 01:52:32,173
Speaker 2: just take a rubbish home. Heaves in a fantasy world.

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01:52:32,732 --> 01:52:35,293
Speaker 2: This text here here, I agree with you. Guys are

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01:52:35,333 --> 01:52:38,293
Speaker 2: going in circles. How about getting the dickhead from the

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01:52:38,293 --> 01:52:41,012
Speaker 2: council on your shoulder? Grillhem, Come on, lads, cheers John,

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01:52:41,013 --> 01:52:42,372
Speaker 2: that's a good point. Why don't we have the dickhead

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01:52:42,412 --> 01:52:46,013
Speaker 2: on the councils? Running out of time? The chief the

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01:52:46,053 --> 01:52:47,812
Speaker 2: textas said, Matt, you're not a tidy kiwi when you

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01:52:47,853 --> 01:52:50,572
Speaker 2: go to the movies. Can you move your You've you've

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01:52:50,612 --> 01:52:53,612
Speaker 2: covered up my thing I'm reading there, Tyler, thanks mate, Matt,

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Speaker 2: you're not a tidy kiwi when you go to the

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01:52:55,412 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 2: movies you leave your food rubbish at your seat rather

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01:52:58,173 --> 01:52:59,932
Speaker 2: than taking it to the bin on your way out

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01:52:59,973 --> 01:53:02,452
Speaker 2: from Paul, I've changed. I didn't know that you had

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01:53:02,492 --> 01:53:03,612
Speaker 2: to or that it was a good thing to do,

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01:53:03,732 --> 01:53:05,532
Speaker 2: but I took my son to see nos Feratu the

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01:53:05,572 --> 01:53:09,213
Speaker 2: other day. Fantastic movie. You've seen nos Farrada. It's about terrifying,

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01:53:09,213 --> 01:53:12,573
Speaker 2: It's about nos FERRADI, the vampire right you know, it's

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01:53:12,612 --> 01:53:17,213
Speaker 2: a remake of the movie from the nineteen twenties. Great movie, fantastic,

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01:53:17,893 --> 01:53:20,652
Speaker 2: incredible performances. It looks because of our discussion on news

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01:53:20,732 --> 01:53:22,812
Speaker 2: talks'd be where you pointed out that you're supposed to

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01:53:22,853 --> 01:53:24,572
Speaker 2: take care. I never knew. I thought you just left

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01:53:24,612 --> 01:53:27,692
Speaker 2: your rubbish there. I I made my son and me

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01:53:27,812 --> 01:53:29,572
Speaker 2: take pick up all our popcorn stuff and take them

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01:53:29,572 --> 01:53:31,812
Speaker 2: to the rubbish at the movies. Yeah, because I thought, yeah,

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01:53:31,812 --> 01:53:34,572
Speaker 2: you're right. Watch it's some minimum wage person working at

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01:53:34,612 --> 01:53:36,612
Speaker 2: this movie theater have to pick up my rubbish anyway.

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01:53:36,772 --> 01:53:38,852
Speaker 2: So Paul, I'm a changed man that's doing it now.

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01:53:38,933 --> 01:53:41,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that proves my point a little bit. George,

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01:53:41,812 --> 01:53:44,372
Speaker 3: you're going to lift the leads on the bins thing.

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01:53:44,412 --> 01:53:45,652
Speaker 3: You've got some inside and knowledge to you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:53:47,253 --> 01:53:48,772
Speaker 6: Well, we didn't really have a problem a year ago

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01:53:48,853 --> 01:53:51,293
Speaker 6: until the councils started taking out all the bins. The

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01:53:51,372 --> 01:53:53,612
Speaker 6: council started taking out all the bins because they wanted

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01:53:53,652 --> 01:53:56,293
Speaker 6: to save money. The letter hasn't reduced in any way,

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01:53:56,333 --> 01:53:58,173
Speaker 6: shape or form. So all that letters now have been

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01:53:58,213 --> 01:54:00,692
Speaker 6: put into the remaining few bins that are left. They're

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01:54:00,732 --> 01:54:03,852
Speaker 6: all over flowing and the Caporal Council contractors who are

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01:54:03,933 --> 01:54:06,053
Speaker 6: contractors that empty these bins and the bus stops and

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01:54:06,093 --> 01:54:09,133
Speaker 6: the the Chalunce centers and what have you, aren't being

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01:54:09,213 --> 01:54:13,213
Speaker 6: paid anymore. They were contracted to empty two thousand bins

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01:54:13,572 --> 01:54:16,333
Speaker 6: once a day every day. There's now only a thousand bins.

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01:54:16,532 --> 01:54:18,812
Speaker 6: Those bins are overflowing. The council won't give them any

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Speaker 6: more money. So they're not getting emptied twice today, only

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01:54:22,173 --> 01:54:22,492
Speaker 6: that once.

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Speaker 2: And this is this is this, this is Awkland. Yeah yeah,

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01:54:26,732 --> 01:54:31,053
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, and so is right. We're looking good of

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01:54:31,093 --> 01:54:32,973
Speaker 2: all of their bins. I should know this.

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Speaker 3: Well, how many bins have they got? So they've got

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01:54:34,653 --> 01:54:36,253
Speaker 3: rid of ninety one and that seems like a lot

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01:54:36,293 --> 01:54:38,453
Speaker 3: of bends. But that's not they're not stopping there. They've

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01:54:38,493 --> 01:54:40,333
Speaker 3: got another fifty four that they want to take out of.

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01:54:40,333 --> 01:54:43,413
Speaker 2: The because yeah, I mean, it's crazy, you're not solving

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01:54:43,453 --> 01:54:43,852
Speaker 2: a problem.

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01:54:46,173 --> 01:54:51,133
Speaker 6: Council Orld Council contractors have put in their price to

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01:54:51,253 --> 01:54:53,733
Speaker 6: empty x amount of bins. The council have taken that

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01:54:53,812 --> 01:54:55,852
Speaker 6: many buns out but haven't given them any more money,

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01:54:56,333 --> 01:54:59,253
Speaker 6: but expecting them to still keep those bends clean and

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01:54:59,333 --> 01:55:01,293
Speaker 6: tidy and empty, and saying we'll go and eady them

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01:55:01,333 --> 01:55:03,533
Speaker 6: twice today and the council contractors are going. But you're

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01:55:03,533 --> 01:55:05,173
Speaker 6: not giving us any more money. So that's thinking in

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01:55:05,253 --> 01:55:06,053
Speaker 6: do we can't afford it?

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01:55:06,413 --> 01:55:10,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's stupid logic. Well, one of the

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01:55:10,293 --> 01:55:12,812
Speaker 2: basic things is you put bins so people can be tidy. Key,

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01:55:12,812 --> 01:55:14,133
Speaker 2: we can put their rubbish in the bins, and you

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01:55:14,173 --> 01:55:16,772
Speaker 2: put enough bin so they don't overflow, and you put

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01:55:17,533 --> 01:55:20,653
Speaker 2: enough people on emptying the bins that the bins don't overflow.

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01:55:21,093 --> 01:55:23,693
Speaker 2: It's basic things that council needs to do. And as

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01:55:23,733 --> 01:55:26,293
Speaker 2: I said before, and I keep repeating, so many other

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01:55:26,333 --> 01:55:27,893
Speaker 2: things they should cut before they cut that.

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Speaker 3: Ye, George, thank you very much. I don't think I've

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01:55:30,613 --> 01:55:33,253
Speaker 3: had one person agree with me throughout the last forty

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Speaker 3: five minutes. We're about to wrap this up. Is this

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01:55:36,133 --> 01:55:37,373
Speaker 3: the hell I'm going to die on in the long

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01:55:37,453 --> 01:55:38,933
Speaker 3: long term? I don't think so, but I'm not going

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01:55:39,013 --> 01:55:42,493
Speaker 3: to change my view. Personal responsibility should be encouraged, and

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01:55:42,613 --> 01:55:45,173
Speaker 3: it should be it shouldn't just be up to the

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Speaker 3: council to sort out our dirty.

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Speaker 2: Paying our rates. So they've got to do something. But

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Speaker 2: I would like to finish with something off topic. Here

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01:55:52,253 --> 01:55:53,973
Speaker 2: and it's slightly off the topic on the bins. Do

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01:55:54,013 --> 01:55:56,053
Speaker 2: you remember the song My old Man's a dustman. He

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01:55:56,173 --> 01:55:59,053
Speaker 2: wears a dustman's hat, he wearscore bloomy trousers, and he

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01:55:59,093 --> 01:56:00,093
Speaker 2: lives in the council flat.

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01:56:00,413 --> 01:56:01,852
Speaker 3: No, but I want more of it.

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01:56:02,213 --> 01:56:04,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been thinking about that song for the last time.

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01:56:04,733 --> 01:56:06,413
Speaker 3: We'll try and find that song back in the mome.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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01:56:12,093 --> 01:56:13,052
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:56:13,373 --> 01:56:15,253
Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler Afternoons with the.

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01:56:15,333 --> 01:56:18,693
Speaker 1: Volvo x C ninety attention to detail and a commitment

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01:56:18,733 --> 01:56:19,173
Speaker 1: to comfort.

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01:56:19,293 --> 01:56:22,453
Speaker 4: News Talk, said B. News Talks B.

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01:56:23,053 --> 01:56:25,533
Speaker 16: Now, here's a little story.

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01:56:27,133 --> 01:56:27,653
Speaker 5: To tell it.

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01:56:28,533 --> 01:56:29,573
Speaker 7: Here's a musk.

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01:56:32,213 --> 01:56:34,093
Speaker 5: About an unsung.

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01:56:33,772 --> 01:56:36,812
Speaker 2: Here's good Lonnie Donogan.

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01:56:37,293 --> 01:56:40,693
Speaker 3: So dust because.

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01:56:40,493 --> 01:56:42,852
Speaker 2: Before there was Roberton people make a fortune. There used

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01:56:42,853 --> 01:56:45,373
Speaker 2: to be dust. I talk about the stuff.

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01:56:45,093 --> 01:56:45,812
Speaker 4: From the fire.

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01:56:47,693 --> 01:56:50,573
Speaker 3: My old man. Well, that's beautiful. I'm glad we could

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01:56:50,573 --> 01:56:51,253
Speaker 3: squeeze theater.

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01:56:51,413 --> 01:56:55,733
Speaker 2: Here we go, he's Phlibby. Here guys, the cross of streams.

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01:56:58,933 --> 01:57:03,013
Speaker 4: Oh, my old man's for more from news Talk, said B.

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