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Speaker 2: Have you great New Zealander. This is Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show podcast number two six six four, the seventeenth

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Speaker 2: of December. It's a Wednesday and it was a great show.

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Speaker 2: Some of the most beautiful, beautiful calls we have had

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Speaker 2: around the surrogacy issue. It started off as a slimy

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Speaker 2: man billionaire trying to basically buy one hundred babies, but

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Speaker 2: when we brought it back home to New Zealand, it

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Speaker 2: was a wonderful chat. So I hope you enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: And give a taste the key with you all right then,

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Speaker 2: love you the big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk S ed B.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, g you welcome into Wednesday show. So

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Speaker 3: good to have you listening, as I'm sure you always do.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company. Maddie, how you doing man,

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Speaker 3: Very good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 4: Everyone.

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Speaker 2: We've got a great three hours ahead of us.

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Speaker 3: I reckon we certainly doing a special treat all this

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Speaker 3: week for you. After three point thirty, we are catching

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Speaker 3: up with some kick cass kiwis.

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Speaker 2: Hang on, why are you saying that I recorded a

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Speaker 2: song so you didn't need to say it?

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Speaker 5: Here we go a rump a pump pum the Christmas

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Speaker 5: catch up Pa rump a bump bum with kick cas

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Speaker 5: queiz pa rumper.

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Speaker 2: Pump bum bumpum bum bum. On News Talks it be with.

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Speaker 3: Man Tyler, so much better, so much better, you.

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Speaker 2: Know Little drum Boy Peace on Earth with David Bowie

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Speaker 2: and David Bowie and Ben Crosby. Yes, so I was

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Speaker 2: reading up with the story about that nineteen seventy seven

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Speaker 2: Bing Crosby Christmas special David Bowie's book to appear on it.

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Speaker 2: So you might have seen that little video that's out

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Speaker 2: there and David Bowie turns up at the door and

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Speaker 2: he pretends he's just a neighbor. Anyway, they sing the song.

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Speaker 2: So I've always it was weird that that song's two songs.

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Speaker 2: There's Peace on Ear and there's also you know, Ben

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Speaker 2: Crosby doing the pump pump Know why that is? They

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Speaker 2: were supposed to sing Little Drummer boy. But David Bowie

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Speaker 2: turned up and said, I don't really like that song?

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Speaker 2: Can we do another one? And Bing Crosby was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I quite loved this song. So the musical directors and

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Speaker 2: David Bowie went downstairs and wrote the other song, Peace

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Speaker 2: on Earth, that sings above it. Yeah, so when you

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Speaker 2: listen to that song, it's kind of like two songs

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Speaker 2: are being sung and it just sounds incredible. But that

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Speaker 3: Absolute genius Bowie. Wasn't it just incredible music?

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Speaker 2: Apparently they gotten really well. David Bowie turned up dressed

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Speaker 2: being Crosby quite a conservative guy, but they but you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but amazing, it is amazing. I'm going to listen

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Speaker 3: to that. But the person we're chatting with at three

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Speaker 3: thirty today, Absolute Great Human.

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Speaker 2: Bands, neither been Crosney nor David Bowie. No, that would

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Speaker 3: It's actually someone better. It is none other than Lee

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Speaker 3: Heart's Lee Leehart. You did it way better, but looking

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Speaker 3: We're looking forward to that after three point thirty. But

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Speaker 3: Right after three o'clock. We also want to have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing and I've seen this. This sounds ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: story centers on a little, non but rapidly growing practice

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Speaker 2: So it costs about two hundred thousand American to organize

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Speaker 2: Difficult to give up your kid at the end of it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this and surrogacy in general.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's bad, and I think kids should

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Speaker 3: Come on through, I wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Very surely? It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon to you, seventeen past one. So we're

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Speaker 3: Up to or almost eleven thousand kids were stood down

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Speaker 3: So true. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 7: There's no consequences whatsoever. And sometimes the boys sorting it

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Speaker 8: Resources should be every resource should be deployed, Every resource

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Speaker 10: He had the same pressing needs, didn't he and he

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine past one. We're talking about violence and schools.

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Speaker 2: Patrick says, guys, the biggest thing now with bullying is

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Speaker 2: a bunch of little shits are you know, hassling.

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Speaker 3: Them, going at them. That inability to escape it, You're

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Speaker 2: Hi, there's nobs about violence against teachers.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: I lost two front teeth. The principal took the student's

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Speaker 3: Far out losing a couple of teeth to a kid

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Speaker 3: that is horrendous. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: But taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, the surprise is you being surprised? If I

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Speaker 2: my experience in school in the eighties and nineties, yep,

437
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Speaker 2: it appears to be a lot more focused on stopping

438
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Speaker 2: and bullying.

439
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Speaker 3: This process is in place, and a lot.

440
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Speaker 2: Less physical violence in the schools. Okay, yeah, so you

441
00:20:50,093 --> 00:20:53,853
Speaker 2: know that's my experience. But one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

442
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Speaker 2: what do you think.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, dure twenty five to one, and we're

465
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Speaker 3: talking about violence in schools. According to Education Ministry figures,

466
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Speaker 3: eleven thousand kids we're stood down for exts of violence

467
00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:28,573
Speaker 3: against students or teachers. So what are you seeing as appearance?

468
00:22:28,893 --> 00:22:30,813
Speaker 3: Is it still as violent today as it has been

469
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Speaker 3: in previous generations?

470
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Speaker 2: On one hundred and fifty one, So nine, seven hundred

471
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Speaker 2: and fifty eight students will stood down for assaulting other students.

472
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Speaker 2: One thousand, one hundred and fifty one students will stood

473
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Speaker 2: down for assaulting teachers. If you're assaulting teachers, then geez, geez,

474
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Speaker 2: you're not in a good way. Total student numbers serves

475
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Speaker 2: to eight hundred and fifty thousand night, Well, let's say

476
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Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty one thousand, So it's eleven thousand

477
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Speaker 2: out of eight hundred and fifty one thousand, So it's

478
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Speaker 2: a small ish number. I mean, that doesn't mean much

479
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Speaker 2: to the nine hundred and seventy you know, the victims

480
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Speaker 2: of the nine hundred and seven thousand and fifty eight

481
00:23:06,173 --> 00:23:10,213
Speaker 2: students who have assaulted other other students. And you can

482
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Speaker 2: imagine that someone that sults one student's probably assulting a

483
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Speaker 2: bunch of different students.

484
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but you're right on a percentage basis when

485
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Speaker 3: you think about all the kids at school, and they

486
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Speaker 3: got the numbers there, and arguably you could say back

487
00:23:22,213 --> 00:23:24,093
Speaker 3: when you're at school, back when I was at high school.

488
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Speaker 3: The difference there is it wasn't reported. And genuinely, we

489
00:23:26,613 --> 00:23:29,293
Speaker 3: talked about this before we started the show, the idea

490
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Speaker 3: of the third forms. When you started the third form,

491
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Speaker 3: it was well known at the school I went to

492
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Speaker 3: that you're going to get chucked down the hill, you're

493
00:23:35,773 --> 00:23:37,052
Speaker 3: going to get a bit of a dust up from

494
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Speaker 3: the older schools. It was kind of like a tradition

495
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Speaker 3: that stopped now, but it was part and part or

496
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Speaker 3: when I was at school and a lot of other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, has that stopped because I believe when

498
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Speaker 2: I was at school that it wasn't even really there

499
00:23:48,493 --> 00:23:51,213
Speaker 2: weren't really things in place to even complain about it.

500
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Speaker 2: You just sort of had to sort it out and

501
00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:56,893
Speaker 2: get some friends around you and try and deal with it. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 2: So I feel like the numbers were of the reporting

503
00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:04,213
Speaker 2: numbers would be up. Yes, so you look at this,

504
00:24:04,893 --> 00:24:07,293
Speaker 2: nine seven hundred and fifty eight students were stood down

505
00:24:07,293 --> 00:24:10,453
Speaker 2: for assulting other teachers of other students. I imagine back

506
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Speaker 2: in my day at Bogan Park High School there, you know,

507
00:24:14,533 --> 00:24:17,253
Speaker 2: there was no one was complaining when they got hit.

508
00:24:17,413 --> 00:24:19,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no records being kept, No for when

509
00:24:19,933 --> 00:24:21,373
Speaker 3: someone had a punch on the playground.

510
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is this exitruancy. Lack of engagement causes

511
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Speaker 2: disruptive behavior, especially if they can't read when they leave

512
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Speaker 2: primary school. Routine discipline will improve behavior, and Seymour and

513
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Speaker 2: Erica are working on this, but teachers and parents need

514
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Speaker 2: to also be clear about kid expectations. Dan, welcome to

515
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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, there you go very well.

517
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Speaker 3: Can you hear your story?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, A bit of an interesting, interesting story happened to

520
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Speaker 13: my son quite a few years back when he was

521
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Speaker 13: an intermediate he I think it was about eleven or twelve,

522
00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,213
Speaker 13: and we just moved to the area, so it's new

523
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Speaker 13: to the school, maybe about two three weeks. And you

524
00:25:02,373 --> 00:25:07,413
Speaker 13: know we're part Polynesian, so you know, he clicked down

525
00:25:07,493 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 13: was sake the rugby boy? Other poly boys in the

526
00:25:09,933 --> 00:25:13,853
Speaker 13: in the intermediate and a kid from the high school,

527
00:25:13,853 --> 00:25:15,613
Speaker 13: which was I think he's about year ten, so he's

528
00:25:15,613 --> 00:25:18,773
Speaker 13: about four, about four years old, came to pick his

529
00:25:18,973 --> 00:25:23,093
Speaker 13: younger brother up from the intermediate and started like racially

530
00:25:23,133 --> 00:25:27,733
Speaker 13: abusing my son's mate, calling them you knows, as you

531
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Speaker 13: probably can imagine. And my son, you know, I've always

532
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:33,173
Speaker 13: taught my kids to, you know, don't tolerate bullying and

533
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Speaker 13: stick up for the people getting bullied. You know, my

534
00:25:36,613 --> 00:25:38,773
Speaker 13: son's been boxing since he was five years old, so

535
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Speaker 13: you know, he's a well, well like kid and got

536
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Speaker 13: good morals, and you know, he just told the kids,

537
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Speaker 13: you know, they don't, don't talk to my mate like that,

538
00:25:46,933 --> 00:25:50,893
Speaker 13: and and this kid just went to attack him. And

539
00:25:50,973 --> 00:25:52,373
Speaker 13: this was at the end of school, so the full

540
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Speaker 13: teacher's parents had on the courtyards, and the kid went

541
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Speaker 13: to attack him and swung punches at him, and my

542
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Speaker 13: son slipped them and hit him with the one too.

543
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Speaker 4: You know, and dropped the kid.

544
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Speaker 13: And then the teachers all got involved, and the kid

545
00:26:06,493 --> 00:26:09,933
Speaker 13: broke went frantic, broke away from the teachers and went

546
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Speaker 13: to attack my son again, and my son dodged the

547
00:26:12,973 --> 00:26:15,573
Speaker 13: punches are gonna hit him. And then this kid's gone

548
00:26:15,573 --> 00:26:18,853
Speaker 13: away getting pulled away by two teachers saying he's gonna

549
00:26:19,213 --> 00:26:21,812
Speaker 13: drop in racist remarks that he's gonna kill the family,

550
00:26:21,893 --> 00:26:25,653
Speaker 13: our family, and and my son gets food down for

551
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Speaker 13: five days and know nothing.

552
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Speaker 9: Nothing for the other.

553
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Speaker 13: Kid, apparently because he's had experienced of martial arts and boxing,

554
00:26:35,013 --> 00:26:37,613
Speaker 13: and he he landed the punches that he got.

555
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Speaker 2: This is a kid that wasn't this is a kid

556
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Speaker 2: that wasn't even at the school, and he's in the

557
00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:45,973
Speaker 2: he's in the playground and he attacks a kid in

558
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Speaker 2: the school grounds.

559
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, absolutely, I mean.

560
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Speaker 2: That seems like a matter for the police. It feels

561
00:26:51,893 --> 00:26:54,693
Speaker 2: like a matter for the police and and the teachers

562
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Speaker 2: to sit back and do with what the police say,

563
00:26:56,653 --> 00:26:59,333
Speaker 2: not standing down the kid, your kid.

564
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Speaker 13: It was, it was it was a bit of a

565
00:27:01,613 --> 00:27:04,293
Speaker 13: you know, we're new to the school, and the school

566
00:27:04,293 --> 00:27:06,813
Speaker 13: had said, eh, the families, we've had a lot of

567
00:27:06,813 --> 00:27:09,453
Speaker 13: issues and lots of lots of novels with the family.

568
00:27:09,613 --> 00:27:12,573
Speaker 13: The dad's in jail, and I'm like, well, that's beside

569
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Speaker 13: the point.

570
00:27:13,013 --> 00:27:14,573
Speaker 2: Like it's not your kid's problem.

571
00:27:14,613 --> 00:27:17,733
Speaker 4: You know, my son was defending himself. He was defending himself.

572
00:27:18,493 --> 00:27:20,813
Speaker 13: Older other parents, teachers said, like a kid went to

573
00:27:20,853 --> 00:27:23,573
Speaker 13: attack him, but because he didn't land his punches, and

574
00:27:23,613 --> 00:27:27,493
Speaker 13: my son did that andrew blood from.

575
00:27:27,373 --> 00:27:28,693
Speaker 4: It from the other boys nose that.

576
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Speaker 13: You know, my son should have restrained himself, being a trained.

577
00:27:31,853 --> 00:27:34,053
Speaker 4: Athlete, as they they said. But he's like he was

578
00:27:34,133 --> 00:27:34,933
Speaker 4: like twelve years old.

579
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Speaker 2: Well so so this kid, this other kid was at

580
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Speaker 2: high school.

581
00:27:38,973 --> 00:27:40,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was I think it was a year nine,

582
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:45,493
Speaker 4: about four. Yeah, it was a bully known bully.

583
00:27:45,653 --> 00:27:48,373
Speaker 13: You mean, because you know intermediate, they knew the kid.

584
00:27:48,373 --> 00:27:51,013
Speaker 13: He'd gone through intermediate up into the high school and

585
00:27:51,093 --> 00:27:53,013
Speaker 13: he went to pick his younger brother up and then

586
00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:54,893
Speaker 13: you know, then you all knew that this kid.

587
00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:56,413
Speaker 4: Was just being a bully to the other kids.

588
00:27:56,493 --> 00:27:58,253
Speaker 2: That's probably isn't the right thing to say, Dan, But

589
00:27:58,413 --> 00:28:00,933
Speaker 2: if you were at high school when you run into

590
00:28:00,933 --> 00:28:02,893
Speaker 2: the grounds of an intermediate and get dropped by her

591
00:28:02,933 --> 00:28:06,133
Speaker 2: kid an intermediate, and then your reputation's blood.

592
00:28:06,573 --> 00:28:11,133
Speaker 13: Yeah, my sound a bit of a bit of an

593
00:28:11,173 --> 00:28:13,453
Speaker 13: urban legend. I don't mean, I'm not promoting any violence

594
00:28:13,533 --> 00:28:17,093
Speaker 13: or anything, but but yeah, I tried to you know,

595
00:28:17,133 --> 00:28:20,413
Speaker 13: I tried to add meetings with with the principal, and

596
00:28:20,773 --> 00:28:22,493
Speaker 13: you know, they said if I wanted to go to

597
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,253
Speaker 13: do a meeting with the with the board or go

598
00:28:25,293 --> 00:28:28,453
Speaker 13: to the police, but I just didn't really want to

599
00:28:28,453 --> 00:28:30,253
Speaker 13: put you know, take it any further.

600
00:28:30,373 --> 00:28:33,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, because a bit of a hassle.

601
00:28:33,293 --> 00:28:36,093
Speaker 13: But well, my son ended up losing out on a

602
00:28:35,973 --> 00:28:39,053
Speaker 13: on a on a scholarship to our school because he

603
00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:41,173
Speaker 13: had disciplinary he had a stand down on his on

604
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:43,613
Speaker 13: his record, so you know, they ended up being a

605
00:28:43,613 --> 00:28:44,933
Speaker 13: bit detrimental.

606
00:28:44,413 --> 00:28:47,133
Speaker 4: To his you know, to his to a scholarship to

607
00:28:46,853 --> 00:28:48,493
Speaker 4: a high school later down the tracks.

608
00:28:48,493 --> 00:28:49,893
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's not Yeah.

609
00:28:49,693 --> 00:28:52,253
Speaker 13: I'm just like but you know, like I don't understand this,

610
00:28:52,573 --> 00:28:55,493
Speaker 13: like no tolerance to violence, Like what here you supposed

611
00:28:55,493 --> 00:28:57,533
Speaker 13: to do with someone to text you? What you're supposed

612
00:28:57,533 --> 00:28:59,093
Speaker 13: to do for an older kids? It's not even at

613
00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:00,573
Speaker 13: the school attack you.

614
00:29:01,013 --> 00:29:02,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, well thank you for you call Dan what I'm

615
00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:04,253
Speaker 2: and all the best for your son and you. That

616
00:29:04,373 --> 00:29:07,293
Speaker 2: sounds like, see the thing about this it gets so

617
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:10,573
Speaker 2: complicated when older members of family are getting involved. That

618
00:29:10,653 --> 00:29:15,253
Speaker 2: was the story that we had earlier when who was

619
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:18,653
Speaker 2: it was from guy from Guy. Yeah, when other members

620
00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:20,973
Speaker 2: of a kid's family are getting involved.

621
00:29:20,653 --> 00:29:22,973
Speaker 3: Start wearing ski masks and potential with knives. I mean,

622
00:29:23,013 --> 00:29:25,773
Speaker 3: it is complicated, but in that situation, the school's got

623
00:29:25,813 --> 00:29:28,493
Speaker 3: to step up there, surely, because we're keen to hear

624
00:29:28,493 --> 00:29:30,133
Speaker 3: from you. If you're a parent and your kid's being

625
00:29:30,173 --> 00:29:34,013
Speaker 3: bullied and it's escalated and they can't defend themselves, how

626
00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:35,973
Speaker 3: was that dealt with? Because that's where it becomes a problem,

627
00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:37,853
Speaker 3: right If the school doesn't step in to try and

628
00:29:37,933 --> 00:29:41,213
Speaker 3: resolve it, then things start to heat up and it

629
00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:42,573
Speaker 3: turns into a guy situation.

630
00:29:43,173 --> 00:29:44,973
Speaker 2: Well, listen to this, guys. When I went to school,

631
00:29:45,053 --> 00:29:46,733
Speaker 2: this must have been a while ago. If you were

632
00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:49,253
Speaker 2: caught fighting at lunchtime, the headmaster would call a special

633
00:29:49,293 --> 00:29:51,773
Speaker 2: assembly for after lunch and the whole school would turn up.

634
00:29:52,053 --> 00:29:54,373
Speaker 2: He would bring one guy on from the left hand

635
00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:57,053
Speaker 2: side of the stage and one from the right and

636
00:29:57,093 --> 00:29:58,733
Speaker 2: they would both get the strap in front of the

637
00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:01,293
Speaker 2: whole school. It was humiliating for them, but it didn't

638
00:30:01,293 --> 00:30:04,893
Speaker 2: happen often because of everyone knew the consequences.

639
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Speaker 3: We would do it.

640
00:30:06,173 --> 00:30:06,293
Speaker 4: Well.

641
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,933
Speaker 2: I mean that's but rough though. If you were the

642
00:30:07,933 --> 00:30:12,613
Speaker 2: one big picked on and some some some a whole

643
00:30:12,813 --> 00:30:15,173
Speaker 2: little bully attacks another kid and then you're both getting

644
00:30:15,173 --> 00:30:18,453
Speaker 2: strapped in front of the school. True, but yeah, I imagine,

645
00:30:18,493 --> 00:30:20,373
Speaker 2: I mean the humiliation of that, would you know.

646
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Speaker 3: It would solve a lot of them.

647
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

649
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Speaker 3: number to callback?

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Speaker 2: Very shortly?

651
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Speaker 3: It is seventeen too, to have a chat with.

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Speaker 6: The lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be it is fourteen to two. We're talking about violence

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Speaker 3: in schools. After the Education Ministry release figures that showed

656
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Speaker 3: eleven thousand kids were stood down for violence against students

657
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Speaker 3: or teachers. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty set

658
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Speaker 3: number to call.

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Speaker 2: Mike, you've got a kid in prime me now, is

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Speaker 2: that correct?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I got a kid in prime. But everything's

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Speaker 14: okay with them, Like no bullying that you ever heard of?

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Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 14: Well what I was ringers. So I went to a

666
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Speaker 14: school and the violence and the bullying that I saw

667
00:31:02,933 --> 00:31:05,733
Speaker 14: at my school when I was in the early nineties,

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00:31:06,773 --> 00:31:10,973
Speaker 14: what's horrific and and recently in the news and you'll

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Speaker 14: probably yes, what school it is? So shut the boarding

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Speaker 14: side of it down, h yeah, I mean yeah, the students, well.

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Speaker 15: The prefects, they ran in the school, you know, and

672
00:31:26,733 --> 00:31:29,813
Speaker 15: they and the teachers were scared of the students, well

673
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Speaker 15: or the prefets. And there was one very bad situation

674
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Speaker 15: there where actually got put in a coma and the

675
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Speaker 15: person that put him in a coma there was multiple people,

676
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Speaker 15: but what what what was the blow was someone had

677
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Speaker 15: two twenty kilo dunbell waits and smash him over the

678
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Speaker 15: guy's head a vegetable. Yeah, yeah, And I won't name

679
00:31:58,933 --> 00:32:02,573
Speaker 15: the person did that, but I saw it and a

680
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Speaker 15: bunch of us saw it, and I won't name the.

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Speaker 2: Person and did and were the criminal charges against them?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Did it go beyond the school?

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Speaker 14: Everyone that was in the attack, apart from the person

685
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:18,933
Speaker 14: that sit the guy over the head with the dumbnail waits,

686
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Speaker 14: there were no charges laid against it. He was spent

687
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Speaker 14: under the cardboard man.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, Yeah, that is crazy. I mean, I think

689
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Speaker 3: even even in the old days, if things got out

690
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Speaker 3: of control like that, and do you put someone in

691
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Speaker 3: a coma, certainly the police should have been involved in

692
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Speaker 3: late charges. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. Yeah, Tony, you're a teacher aid in

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Speaker 3: a primary school. Nice to chat with you.

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Speaker 16: Oh, yeah, I am. That's been listening this afternoon, and

696
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Speaker 16: I hear you're talking a lot about I guess the

697
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Speaker 16: high schools and the older kids and the violence and

698
00:32:55,093 --> 00:32:57,893
Speaker 16: things like that. But as a teacher in a primary

699
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Speaker 16: school going from the year zero to year age, it's

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Speaker 16: there two and I guess it's an unfortunate thing with

701
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Speaker 16: some of these kids. It's learnt behavior from home their

702
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Speaker 16: life there. I guess their lifetime situation is not good

703
00:33:20,533 --> 00:33:25,173
Speaker 16: and they don't know how to control their emotions or

704
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Speaker 16: what they're feeling. And these kids don't pick on any

705
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Speaker 16: one particular person. It's if they get agitated anyone to

706
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Speaker 16: be a game, whoever's in front of them, they were

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Speaker 16: going to keep them.

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Speaker 2: And what can you do about that? Because you know,

709
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Speaker 2: they may have this troubled situation, but that's not the

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Speaker 2: fault of the kids that they target.

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Speaker 16: No. Well, I guess we as a school, we have places,

712
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Speaker 16: I guess, agencies that we have to work with them,

713
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Speaker 16: put reports into and we can only do so much.

714
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Speaker 16: You know, we can put it into the hands of

715
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Speaker 16: other agencies to get help for these families, but there's

716
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Speaker 16: the families have to want to help as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be heartbreaking to have to witness all

718
00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:14,813
Speaker 2: the stuff, you know, these these.

719
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Speaker 16: And then I mean it's you know, I've colleagues of mind.

720
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Speaker 16: I've had cheers thrown at them, chir They've had cheers

721
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Speaker 16: hat them and in their back. They've been they've been punched.

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Speaker 16: I've been over there. I've been a teacher for maybe

723
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Speaker 16: five years, six years now. I've been hit. Not bad,

724
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Speaker 16: but you know, that's just what it is. You've just

725
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Speaker 16: got to try and deflect and try and you know,

726
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Speaker 16: the reason why sometimes you get hurt is because you're

727
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Speaker 16: trying to protect other children.

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Speaker 3: And what tools do you have, Tony?

729
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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 17: You know?

731
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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 3: What are the processes involved to deal with that?

733
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Speaker 18: Is?

734
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Speaker 3: It quite limited?

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Speaker 16: It is because we can't restrain children. We can't you know,

736
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Speaker 16: we can't physically restrain them. A lot of the time

737
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Speaker 16: we have to evacuate it. Yeah, We've so a lot

738
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Speaker 16: of the time we have to evacuate a class because

739
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Speaker 16: one two children are causing a problem.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think that is that is

742
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:17,413
Speaker 2: a ridiculous situation because for the safety of everyone, for

743
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,693
Speaker 2: a kid's going crazy, they need to be restrained.

744
00:35:19,773 --> 00:35:20,373
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, And you know, I was like, I've myself, teachers

747
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Speaker 16: that I work with, other teacher rates that I work with,

748
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Speaker 16: We've been threatened with I'm going to kill you, I

749
00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:34,333
Speaker 16: want to stab you, I want to see you did wow.

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Speaker 16: And these are from children under the age of twelve.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's terrifying.

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Speaker 3: It is terrifying. And Tony, you've got a hell of

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Speaker 3: a job and glad you're there. But hopefully they get

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Speaker 3: some more resources in there, because that's crazy. Right, We're

755
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Speaker 3: going to take a quick break, but taking your calls

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Speaker 3: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is nine minutes

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 6: It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons News Talks B News

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Speaker 6: Talks the B.

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Speaker 3: It is seven to two.

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd see the official vice for dealing with

764
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Speaker 2: a situation where your kid tells you they're being bullied.

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Speaker 2: This is the advice. Take this issue seriously and talk

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Speaker 2: with your child. Listen carefully, stay calm, and reassure your

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00:36:18,013 --> 00:36:20,533
Speaker 2: child that bullying is not their fault. Make time to

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Speaker 2: talk about what's happened, and take their concerns. Seriously support

769
00:36:23,613 --> 00:36:26,212
Speaker 2: your child emotionally. Reassure them that they did the right

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Speaker 2: thing by telling you. Gather facts and notes. Write down

771
00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:32,293
Speaker 2: exactly what happened, including who, when, where, and how often.

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Speaker 2: This helps when reporting to the school. Contact the school promptly.

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Speaker 2: Arrange a meeting with your child's teachers, senior staff or principle.

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00:36:38,733 --> 00:36:42,533
Speaker 2: Discuss the issue. Work cooperatively with the school. Stay calm

775
00:36:42,613 --> 00:36:45,652
Speaker 2: and respectful when talking with the school staff. Follow up

776
00:36:45,693 --> 00:36:49,853
Speaker 2: on agreed actions, and keep communication open. Escalate if needed,

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00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:53,093
Speaker 2: raise a written complaint with the school's board of trustees.

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00:36:53,213 --> 00:36:57,813
Speaker 2: If things remain still unresolved, contact Ministry of Educational's regional office.

779
00:36:57,933 --> 00:37:01,253
Speaker 2: You can even take it to the ons Budsman. Serious

780
00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:05,013
Speaker 2: or criminal behavior assaults, threats, weapons, sexual harassments should be

781
00:37:05,053 --> 00:37:08,173
Speaker 2: taken to the police. Cyber bullying keep all evidence of

782
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:11,933
Speaker 2: online messages or images. Work with your child to build

783
00:37:11,973 --> 00:37:13,933
Speaker 2: a plan. Ask your child what they want to do,

784
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:17,613
Speaker 2: work together on solutions and support the plan. Keep monitoring

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00:37:17,613 --> 00:37:19,812
Speaker 2: and supporting your child, Check and regularly on how they're

786
00:37:19,853 --> 00:37:22,013
Speaker 2: doing an adjust your approach as needed.

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Speaker 3: That is some great advice, Sean. We've got about ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: Can you hear your story.

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Speaker 19: Ah, Ca, I go to Catur.

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Speaker 20: It's just we're our family where our family experienced six

791
00:37:36,733 --> 00:37:40,533
Speaker 20: years ago, coming from overseas, we bring our children home

792
00:37:40,573 --> 00:37:45,133
Speaker 20: to experience. I was like to be in the New

793
00:37:45,213 --> 00:37:52,573
Speaker 20: Zealand schools and our twelve years old into intermediate and

794
00:37:53,013 --> 00:37:58,133
Speaker 20: got stabbed. Wow, apacs and the school just folded up

795
00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:04,812
Speaker 20: and supported the attacker and all right with my family member.

796
00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:08,613
Speaker 20: My child didn't come out of ringbery, got traumas eyes.

797
00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:11,413
Speaker 20: You know, it was all about you know, they didn't

798
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:14,573
Speaker 20: help the victim, to help the attacker. And I'm really

799
00:38:14,613 --> 00:38:18,533
Speaker 20: pissed off, bro, and hear the story's going on. Bro,

800
00:38:18,613 --> 00:38:20,813
Speaker 20: But I'm gonna about fire with Firebro. You know you

801
00:38:20,853 --> 00:38:21,813
Speaker 20: can talk to you on the poll.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I'm all the fathers here, you know, take your child

804
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:29,253
Speaker 20: teaching self defense because at the end of the day,

805
00:38:29,373 --> 00:38:32,692
Speaker 20: very own. These children are yeah, the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now, Ye're sorry, son, we have to go to the news.

807
00:38:36,653 --> 00:38:38,692
Speaker 2: But I'm so sorry to hear that they haven't been

808
00:38:38,853 --> 00:38:40,173
Speaker 2: stabbed with scissors.

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Speaker 3: For a young child. Yeah, yeah, so sorry. I had

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Speaker 3: to deal with that, Sean right. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: to everyone who called and text on that one. I

812
00:38:47,853 --> 00:38:51,413
Speaker 3: really appreciate it, and hopefully things are will start to

813
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:52,973
Speaker 3: get a bit better in the school system when it

814
00:38:53,013 --> 00:38:55,573
Speaker 3: comes to violence. Coming up after two o'clock, we'll ever

815
00:38:55,653 --> 00:38:58,733
Speaker 3: talk about a story out of the US. It's on

816
00:38:58,893 --> 00:39:02,413
Speaker 3: a little none but rapidly grown practice around the sura

817
00:39:02,493 --> 00:39:06,013
Speaker 3: sea industry. This is wealthy Chinese elites using surrogate mothers

818
00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:10,853
Speaker 3: in America to have large number of children each being

819
00:39:10,893 --> 00:39:14,212
Speaker 3: paid around two hundred thousand bucks, which is crazy big money.

820
00:39:14,213 --> 00:39:15,253
Speaker 3: But we want to have a chat about that. I

821
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Speaker 3: weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

822
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Speaker 3: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text New

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Speaker 3: Sport and Weather coming up. Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

825
00:39:27,053 --> 00:39:29,373
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon. Sure it is seven pass

827
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Speaker 3: too great to have your company as always, So we

828
00:39:37,133 --> 00:39:40,133
Speaker 3: want to ever talk about a kind of crazy story

829
00:39:40,333 --> 00:39:42,773
Speaker 3: that came out of the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard this first on Heather Duplessy Allen's breakfast

831
00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:50,053
Speaker 2: show and for Mike Hosking the other day, and it's

832
00:39:51,253 --> 00:39:53,692
Speaker 2: blew my mind. Yeah, So shall we listen to her

833
00:39:53,733 --> 00:39:54,293
Speaker 2: discussing it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 10: Listen, gott to tell you about this weird thing that's

836
00:39:57,093 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 10: happening in the US. Apparently, really really, really wealthy like

837
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Speaker 10: billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds and hundreds

838
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Speaker 10: of surrogates in the US, and not hundreds and hundreds each,

839
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Speaker 10: but in some cases some of them are having up

840
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Speaker 10: to one hundred surrogate babies in the US. Now we

841
00:40:15,173 --> 00:40:17,333
Speaker 10: know about this because this has been going through the

842
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:19,613
Speaker 10: courts in the US for a couple of years, and

843
00:40:19,773 --> 00:40:21,973
Speaker 10: for the first time one of the judge's decisions has

844
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Speaker 10: been reported by media over there. And it's the case

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Speaker 10: of a video game executive whose name is Jubo, who's

846
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Speaker 10: had one hundred kids, and he went to court seeking

847
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Speaker 10: parental rights to four of these unborn children, and the

848
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Speaker 10: courts have declined. They said, no, you actually do not

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Speaker 10: have the right of a parent to these children. You've

850
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Speaker 10: had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing to

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Speaker 10: do with them, and it's leaving the kids in a

852
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Speaker 10: very legally weird place. He already has these four that

853
00:40:49,213 --> 00:40:51,133
Speaker 10: are being born, has another eight that they know of,

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00:40:51,213 --> 00:40:54,093
Speaker 10: and potentially up to one hundred. He said, he wants

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Speaker 10: to have all of the boys the children be boys

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Speaker 10: because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants

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Speaker 10: the boys to one day take over his business. And

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00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:04,693
Speaker 10: how this basically runs over the US is that the

859
00:41:04,773 --> 00:41:07,373
Speaker 10: babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by

860
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Speaker 10: nanny's over there as they await paperwork to travel back

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Speaker 10: to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.

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00:41:13,893 --> 00:41:15,933
Speaker 10: And this is so like up to the time that

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Speaker 10: they arrive in China. This is so widespread in the US.

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Speaker 10: By the way, there are so many Chinese business people

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Speaker 10: who are now doing it. Some of them just you know,

866
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:26,333
Speaker 10: unable to have children, just want a couple of kids

867
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Speaker 10: like normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things

868
00:41:30,013 --> 00:41:31,773
Speaker 10: like having ten girls because they want to marry them

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00:41:31,813 --> 00:41:34,172
Speaker 10: off to powerful men. So much of this was going

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Speaker 10: on that there is any a thriving mini industry in

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00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:41,173
Speaker 10: the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,

872
00:41:41,293 --> 00:41:44,772
Speaker 10: nanny services who'll pick the newborns up from the hospital as.

873
00:41:44,693 --> 00:41:46,933
Speaker 2: Soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred thousand

874
00:41:46,973 --> 00:41:47,732
Speaker 2: dollars per charter.

875
00:41:47,893 --> 00:41:50,413
Speaker 10: The whole thing is completely nuts and has been happening,

876
00:41:50,493 --> 00:41:53,853
Speaker 10: and apparently like underneath everyone's noses, no one's even really

877
00:41:53,933 --> 00:41:56,413
Speaker 10: fully aware of it, but now that they are, looks

878
00:41:56,413 --> 00:41:57,613
Speaker 10: like they're going to crack down on it, and you

879
00:41:57,653 --> 00:41:58,653
Speaker 10: can see for good reason.

880
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 3: So incredibly crazy story, but a very very interesting one.

881
00:42:04,013 --> 00:42:07,693
Speaker 3: The idea of being a surrogate in another country like

882
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:11,693
Speaker 3: America and being paid very handsomely for it two hundred

883
00:42:11,693 --> 00:42:14,853
Speaker 3: thousand dollars plus you were, so I should say, yeah,

884
00:42:17,853 --> 00:42:18,813
Speaker 3: it's an interesting one.

885
00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 2: So someone wants two hundred thousand dollars, can you blame

886
00:42:22,053 --> 00:42:26,213
Speaker 2: them for for birthing a baby? If someone wants it.

887
00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:30,693
Speaker 2: I mean, these Chinese billionaires, they seem to be running

888
00:42:31,013 --> 00:42:34,533
Speaker 2: somewhat of a for want a bit of word baby

889
00:42:34,613 --> 00:42:38,013
Speaker 2: farming situation. So there is a weird sort of ethical

890
00:42:38,093 --> 00:42:40,133
Speaker 2: part to it that you know, I can't quite give

891
00:42:40,173 --> 00:42:41,933
Speaker 2: my head around it. Why I find it so ecky

892
00:42:42,573 --> 00:42:46,693
Speaker 2: because if they can support them and their nannies that

893
00:42:46,853 --> 00:42:50,693
Speaker 2: bring them up are nice, then you know, maybe they

894
00:42:50,733 --> 00:42:53,333
Speaker 2: can have a great life, right, yeah, if the billionaires

895
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:55,253
Speaker 2: are going to look after them. But I mean that

896
00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:57,613
Speaker 2: billionaire is saying that he only wanted sons is an

897
00:42:57,653 --> 00:43:01,133
Speaker 2: interesting one, isn't it. Yeah, So, I mean that's caused

898
00:43:01,133 --> 00:43:03,493
Speaker 2: to all kinds of problems in China, hasn't it. It

899
00:43:03,573 --> 00:43:08,853
Speaker 2: has with the one baby rules laws that led to

900
00:43:09,813 --> 00:43:13,213
Speaker 2: just people getting aboarding a lot of females basically exactly.

901
00:43:13,613 --> 00:43:16,573
Speaker 3: So his head's up to one hundred children through this

902
00:43:16,693 --> 00:43:19,213
Speaker 3: particular system. So it does raise a lot of ethical

903
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:21,093
Speaker 3: concerns there. I mean, if he wants only boys, what

904
00:43:21,173 --> 00:43:23,373
Speaker 3: happens if there's some girls that are popped out by

905
00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:25,893
Speaker 3: these surrogates so they raise them themselves. Maybe that's part

906
00:43:25,933 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 3: of the two hundred thousand dollars. But also if he

907
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:30,652
Speaker 3: wants someone to take over the family business and he's

908
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:33,373
Speaker 3: got one hundred potential here is lined up, so.

909
00:43:33,573 --> 00:43:36,333
Speaker 2: One one lucky, it's going to be succession on steroids,

910
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:36,893
Speaker 2: isn't it is?

911
00:43:37,133 --> 00:43:39,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens the other ninety nine if they don't

912
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:40,453
Speaker 3: get the top job.

913
00:43:40,813 --> 00:43:43,652
Speaker 2: But I mean if he guarantees to look after them

914
00:43:43,693 --> 00:43:46,413
Speaker 2: for their whole life, you know, if there's some I

915
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:49,093
Speaker 2: mean I don't know how you enforce that, but I

916
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:51,173
Speaker 2: mean you wouldn't. You wouldn't be spreading a lot of

917
00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:54,453
Speaker 2: fatherly love around all two hundred with you? No, I mean,

918
00:43:54,573 --> 00:43:57,533
Speaker 2: my parents struggled to remember the names of myself and

919
00:43:58,253 --> 00:43:59,293
Speaker 2: my three sisters.

920
00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:02,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, so two hundred two hundred it's going to be

921
00:44:02,093 --> 00:44:03,133
Speaker 3: a hell of a memory.

922
00:44:03,253 --> 00:44:04,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be tough. But you know,

923
00:44:06,213 --> 00:44:09,053
Speaker 2: as we keep hearing, the biggest threat to humanity at

924
00:44:09,053 --> 00:44:12,172
Speaker 2: the moment is population decline. So if some billionaire wants

925
00:44:12,213 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 2: to throw an extra two hundred in the mix, then

926
00:44:14,813 --> 00:44:15,973
Speaker 2: maybe he's helping us all out.

927
00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:17,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say, Oh, eight one hundred eighty

928
00:44:18,093 --> 00:44:21,293
Speaker 3: ten eighty, do you see some solid ethical concerns here?

929
00:44:21,773 --> 00:44:23,933
Speaker 3: And does it feel a bit icky to accept the

930
00:44:24,053 --> 00:44:25,933
Speaker 3: likes of two hundred thousand dollars to be a surrogate?

931
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:29,533
Speaker 2: But also let's bring it back to New Zealand, where

932
00:44:29,613 --> 00:44:32,732
Speaker 2: I don't think there are any billionaires farming two hundred kids.

933
00:44:33,053 --> 00:44:35,573
Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening here, not that we know

934
00:44:35,653 --> 00:44:40,293
Speaker 2: of yet. But surrogacy in New Zealand it's an interesting thing.

935
00:44:40,333 --> 00:44:44,293
Speaker 2: There's a lot of laws protecting surrogate mothers in New

936
00:44:44,413 --> 00:44:47,813
Speaker 2: Zealand's Yes, you know, at birth, the legal parent of

937
00:44:47,853 --> 00:44:50,413
Speaker 2: a child born vice surrogancy, they don't have to give

938
00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:52,453
Speaker 2: the child up. So if you've gone into a deal

939
00:44:52,493 --> 00:44:56,252
Speaker 2: with a person when the baby's born. There's no contract there,

940
00:44:56,453 --> 00:45:00,453
Speaker 2: you know that contract, that plan can be broken and

941
00:45:00,613 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 2: the mother can choose to keep the child right. Yes,

942
00:45:03,013 --> 00:45:05,413
Speaker 2: so it's a very very complicated thing. So if you've

943
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:09,893
Speaker 2: been successfully involved in surrogacy or unsuccessfully, would love to

944
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:11,853
Speaker 2: talk about it and generally what do you think about this?

945
00:45:12,773 --> 00:45:13,893
Speaker 2: These two hundred.

946
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:18,453
Speaker 3: Babies, fascinating story. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

947
00:45:18,533 --> 00:45:20,252
Speaker 3: that number to call, love to hear from you? Nine

948
00:45:20,333 --> 00:45:23,533
Speaker 3: to nine to two. It is twelve past two. Back

949
00:45:23,653 --> 00:45:24,093
Speaker 3: very shortly.

950
00:45:25,013 --> 00:45:29,453
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.

951
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:33,373
Speaker 1: Afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

952
00:45:33,213 --> 00:45:33,573
Speaker 4: Said, be.

953
00:45:35,533 --> 00:45:37,213
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It has quarter past two.

954
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:39,732
Speaker 3: So we're talking about surrogacy on the back of quite

955
00:45:39,813 --> 00:45:43,053
Speaker 3: an unusual and crazy story out of the US where

956
00:45:43,293 --> 00:45:47,293
Speaker 3: it appears there are Chinese elites and billionaires who are

957
00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:51,853
Speaker 3: paying big money to have surrogates in America and mostly

958
00:45:51,933 --> 00:45:55,853
Speaker 3: were the one that was uncovered wants mostly boys.

959
00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:59,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, so commercial surrogacy is legal in New Zealand. Only

960
00:45:59,933 --> 00:46:06,172
Speaker 2: altruistic altruistics surrogacy is permitted. This is according to Aranga tanmariki.

961
00:46:06,973 --> 00:46:10,493
Speaker 2: The surrogate can best for reasonable expenses like medical costs,

962
00:46:10,493 --> 00:46:13,692
Speaker 2: but cannot receive payment for carrying the child. I mean

963
00:46:14,453 --> 00:46:20,212
Speaker 2: reasonable expenses is that a Eston Martin to drive around

964
00:46:20,293 --> 00:46:22,613
Speaker 2: and while you're pregnant? I mean can you how far

965
00:46:22,693 --> 00:46:26,693
Speaker 2: can you sweeten the deal? What are reasonable expenses? But

966
00:46:26,813 --> 00:46:28,613
Speaker 2: the interesting thing is, so if you look at the

967
00:46:28,653 --> 00:46:31,172
Speaker 2: situation in the United States with this billionaire paying two

968
00:46:31,253 --> 00:46:37,573
Speaker 2: hundred thousand American per sarroger at birth, and if a

969
00:46:37,613 --> 00:46:41,053
Speaker 2: New Zealand resident commissioned sagus overseas, New Zealand law still applies.

970
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:44,253
Speaker 2: Returning the child home, the surrogate and her partner are

971
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:47,013
Speaker 2: treated as legal parents at birth under New Zealand law.

972
00:46:47,373 --> 00:46:49,373
Speaker 2: So even if you go over to the States and

973
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:53,733
Speaker 2: cough up two hundred grand, New Zealand law still applies.

974
00:46:53,933 --> 00:46:56,533
Speaker 2: Interesting the intending parents must adopt the child in New

975
00:46:56,613 --> 00:46:59,813
Speaker 2: Zealand to gain legal parenthood, and the child may need

976
00:46:59,853 --> 00:47:02,813
Speaker 2: a visa before entering New Zealand. Immigration officials decide this

977
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:07,933
Speaker 2: on a case by case basis. So it's pretty interesting,

978
00:47:07,973 --> 00:47:08,253
Speaker 2: isn't it.

979
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 3: It's complex, very complex. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

980
00:47:11,173 --> 00:47:14,253
Speaker 3: If you have been involved with surrogacy in New Zealand,

981
00:47:15,293 --> 00:47:17,733
Speaker 3: or you needed a surrogant to have a child yourself

982
00:47:17,773 --> 00:47:19,413
Speaker 3: loved to hear from you. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

983
00:47:19,493 --> 00:47:21,692
Speaker 2: I know someone who has had two surrogate children, says

984
00:47:21,733 --> 00:47:23,733
Speaker 2: this text. I also know someone who has carried a

985
00:47:23,773 --> 00:47:26,692
Speaker 2: baby for a childless couple. The later does not get

986
00:47:26,773 --> 00:47:29,053
Speaker 2: that much, the latter does not get that much. The

987
00:47:29,173 --> 00:47:31,973
Speaker 2: former pay huge money. The middle man gets the lines

988
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:34,813
Speaker 2: here of the of clipping the ticket Juliet Wow.

989
00:47:35,093 --> 00:47:37,693
Speaker 3: Interesting nine two ninety two is that text?

990
00:47:38,653 --> 00:47:39,613
Speaker 2: David, welcome the show.

991
00:47:40,693 --> 00:47:41,493
Speaker 9: Oh how's it going?

992
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:42,253
Speaker 19: Our first time?

993
00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:43,813
Speaker 7: Course I was nervous.

994
00:47:44,093 --> 00:47:45,933
Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the show. Thank you for calling?

995
00:47:46,013 --> 00:47:49,212
Speaker 19: Oh thanks you? Yeah, Hey, I'm just my little take

996
00:47:49,293 --> 00:47:52,333
Speaker 19: on it is. I think the main reason why, especially

997
00:47:52,653 --> 00:47:56,093
Speaker 19: like the billionaire Chinese over there in the States, are

998
00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:59,453
Speaker 19: doing it, it's actually to do with once I've got

999
00:47:59,493 --> 00:48:02,533
Speaker 19: a child in there, they can be by land.

1000
00:48:03,493 --> 00:48:06,773
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, yeah, So what is it?

1001
00:48:06,853 --> 00:48:07,053
Speaker 4: Birth?

1002
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:08,573
Speaker 2: Birth, birthright citizen ship.

1003
00:48:09,693 --> 00:48:12,893
Speaker 19: Yeah, birth right citizenship. And I know that they've been

1004
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:16,213
Speaker 19: trying to crack down on that for a while because

1005
00:48:16,253 --> 00:48:20,893
Speaker 19: he's been quite a bit of other types of people

1006
00:48:21,013 --> 00:48:21,573
Speaker 19: trying to do that.

1007
00:48:21,733 --> 00:48:22,133
Speaker 4: As well.

1008
00:48:22,853 --> 00:48:26,533
Speaker 19: So I'm just I'm just wondering whether it's whether it's

1009
00:48:26,533 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 19: got anything to do with fat Because if you've got

1010
00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:33,493
Speaker 19: a billionaire and they've got a business, and maybe they

1011
00:48:33,573 --> 00:48:35,853
Speaker 19: might not have any ears, but if you've got your

1012
00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:39,853
Speaker 19: business in America and it's set up through there, and

1013
00:48:39,933 --> 00:48:44,653
Speaker 19: they can actually like gift it to like you know,

1014
00:48:44,693 --> 00:48:48,133
Speaker 19: when they pass away or something, and it's like having

1015
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:51,692
Speaker 19: it's like having ownership, you know, because.

1016
00:48:51,693 --> 00:48:55,813
Speaker 3: A lot of money there. Yes, I know, I mean,

1017
00:48:55,853 --> 00:48:57,893
Speaker 3: I imagine there'd be a lot of legal loopholes you

1018
00:48:57,973 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 3: could utilize if you've got a child born in America

1019
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:03,853
Speaker 3: and you're not American, that you can tap into that child.

1020
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 2: How many children is this guy lining up for surrogacy?

1021
00:49:07,293 --> 00:49:07,933
Speaker 3: Up to one hundred?

1022
00:49:08,013 --> 00:49:11,333
Speaker 2: Up to a hundreds, so he would be getting a

1023
00:49:11,373 --> 00:49:13,573
Speaker 2: real he'd be getting a big footprint in America. Win

1024
00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 2: he with one hundred kids?

1025
00:49:14,453 --> 00:49:17,573
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, well I would. I would say that, like

1026
00:49:18,053 --> 00:49:21,693
Speaker 19: even even if they get like you have five children

1027
00:49:21,813 --> 00:49:24,253
Speaker 19: or something and they are in different parts of America,

1028
00:49:24,733 --> 00:49:27,893
Speaker 19: you know, and then by him having heeds of money,

1029
00:49:27,973 --> 00:49:31,973
Speaker 19: he can set there them up with the same businesses

1030
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 19: that he's got and that way you've got global markets

1031
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:40,373
Speaker 19: opened up through America through his sons.

1032
00:49:40,573 --> 00:49:43,893
Speaker 2: Well, what's what's interesting about what he said? Yeah, what's

1033
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:46,333
Speaker 2: interesting about what he's saying, Dave, when they talk to

1034
00:49:46,413 --> 00:49:48,773
Speaker 2: this guy as he is very much talking about it

1035
00:49:48,773 --> 00:49:50,933
Speaker 2: in terms of business, isn't he Because he was saying

1036
00:49:51,013 --> 00:49:53,693
Speaker 2: he wants you know, he wants mainly boys because he

1037
00:49:53,813 --> 00:49:56,373
Speaker 2: believes that that that boys are better at business. That

1038
00:49:56,573 --> 00:49:59,493
Speaker 2: that's that's something that he stated. So it doesn't seem

1039
00:49:59,773 --> 00:50:02,613
Speaker 2: like a stretch at all what you're saying, Dave, David,

1040
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:06,013
Speaker 2: that he's he's having these children, he's not with them.

1041
00:50:06,093 --> 00:50:08,973
Speaker 2: They're being brought up by nannies. So it seems very

1042
00:50:09,133 --> 00:50:11,653
Speaker 2: likely that this isn't just a love thing and he

1043
00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:14,493
Speaker 2: just wants to have a huge family of one hundred kids.

1044
00:50:14,853 --> 00:50:16,973
Speaker 2: Does seem likely that he's got some ulterior motive?

1045
00:50:17,933 --> 00:50:21,133
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'll be with the with the nanny's eye. I guarantee.

1046
00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:24,293
Speaker 19: There's a clause in there that says that he's got

1047
00:50:24,373 --> 00:50:27,693
Speaker 19: nothing of the children, but until they turn a certain

1048
00:50:27,773 --> 00:50:32,333
Speaker 19: age like eighteen, and then he'll be he's got he'll

1049
00:50:32,413 --> 00:50:34,133
Speaker 19: have a legal right to be in their life.

1050
00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:37,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Sorry, Sorry, you just cut out

1051
00:50:37,773 --> 00:50:38,173
Speaker 2: for a second.

1052
00:50:38,733 --> 00:50:41,453
Speaker 19: Oh sorry, mate, Yeah, what I was sorry getting there

1053
00:50:41,653 --> 00:50:44,133
Speaker 19: is he might not there might be a clause in

1054
00:50:44,253 --> 00:50:46,413
Speaker 19: there that says that he has nothing to do with

1055
00:50:46,573 --> 00:50:49,573
Speaker 19: the children, but he pays for the education. So they're

1056
00:50:49,573 --> 00:50:51,893
Speaker 19: going to like, you know, Harvard or whatever until I

1057
00:50:51,973 --> 00:50:55,172
Speaker 19: get to the age of eighteen, and then he's got

1058
00:50:55,213 --> 00:50:58,813
Speaker 19: a right to uh as the father to you know,

1059
00:50:59,653 --> 00:51:02,413
Speaker 19: have the have the children in his life, and that

1060
00:51:02,573 --> 00:51:05,373
Speaker 19: way he can actually introduce them to the business.

1061
00:51:06,093 --> 00:51:07,732
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's an interesting one, David.

1062
00:51:08,813 --> 00:51:10,813
Speaker 3: I'm going to see a lot of ethical fishalks here.

1063
00:51:10,933 --> 00:51:12,493
Speaker 2: It sounds like a plot to a movie, doesn't it.

1064
00:51:12,773 --> 00:51:15,413
Speaker 2: It's it's like a kid that grows up and they've

1065
00:51:15,453 --> 00:51:18,053
Speaker 2: got a nanny and they're growing up in luxury because

1066
00:51:18,053 --> 00:51:20,573
Speaker 2: their father's a billionaire, but they're not getting a lot

1067
00:51:20,613 --> 00:51:23,453
Speaker 2: of love in their life outside of their nanny. At eighteen,

1068
00:51:23,653 --> 00:51:26,252
Speaker 2: they get invited to some I'm just imagining the movie.

1069
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:29,573
Speaker 2: They get invited to some huge mansion, they find out

1070
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:32,573
Speaker 2: who their father is, and the father goes, you know,

1071
00:51:33,213 --> 00:51:35,093
Speaker 2: you now compete with another one hundred kids to see

1072
00:51:35,133 --> 00:51:36,813
Speaker 2: who's going to run this business.

1073
00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:39,333
Speaker 3: I'd watch it. That sounds like a great movie to watch.

1074
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:40,493
Speaker 3: That sounds very entertaining.

1075
00:51:40,853 --> 00:51:45,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an interesting way to look at humanity

1076
00:51:45,933 --> 00:51:50,533
Speaker 2: as a resource as opposed to what normal parenting is,

1077
00:51:50,693 --> 00:51:53,933
Speaker 2: which is all about love and connection keeping on the

1078
00:51:53,973 --> 00:51:59,973
Speaker 2: bloodline and family. Yeah, what this is is humans as

1079
00:52:00,013 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 2: a transactional device. Yeah, it's a little bit terrifying. Thanks

1080
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:04,293
Speaker 2: you so much for your call, David.

1081
00:52:04,173 --> 00:52:06,692
Speaker 3: Great call O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If

1082
00:52:06,733 --> 00:52:09,013
Speaker 3: you've been involved in surrogacy New Zealand, I love to

1083
00:52:09,053 --> 00:52:12,133
Speaker 3: have a chat with you. It obviously is quite a

1084
00:52:12,253 --> 00:52:15,053
Speaker 3: full on thing for people to go into or complex.

1085
00:52:15,413 --> 00:52:17,653
Speaker 3: So can to hear your journey and story and a

1086
00:52:17,693 --> 00:52:19,653
Speaker 3: beautiful thing as well that if you cannot have a

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00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:22,173
Speaker 3: child and you're able to find someone who can be

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00:52:22,213 --> 00:52:24,813
Speaker 3: a surrogate. Yeah, and that's an incredibly beautiful thing to do.

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00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:26,172
Speaker 2: And of course a lot of people are pushing back

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00:52:26,213 --> 00:52:28,813
Speaker 2: on Dave's theory that if you are a billionaire then

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00:52:30,253 --> 00:52:33,253
Speaker 2: then citizenship is not a problem for you getting into America.

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00:52:33,493 --> 00:52:34,172
Speaker 3: That is a good point.

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00:52:34,373 --> 00:52:37,093
Speaker 2: In New Zealand or most Western countries, they're like, you're

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00:52:37,093 --> 00:52:38,893
Speaker 2: a billionaire, come on and.

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00:52:38,973 --> 00:52:42,053
Speaker 3: Buddy, money talks, baby. It is twenty two past two

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00:52:42,133 --> 00:52:43,893
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is that number

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00:52:43,893 --> 00:52:44,252
Speaker 3: to call.

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00:52:48,013 --> 00:52:51,692
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons Call oh, eight hundred eighty

1099
00:52:51,773 --> 00:52:53,613
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth Talk ZB.

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00:52:53,653 --> 00:52:55,493
Speaker 3: For a good afternoons. You're twenty four pasts too. So

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00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:58,493
Speaker 3: we're talking about surrogacy. This is on the back of

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00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:01,973
Speaker 3: a story by The Wall Street Journal which uncovered in

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00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:06,493
Speaker 3: the largely unregulated you with surrogacy industry, wealthy Chinese elites

1104
00:53:06,573 --> 00:53:09,493
Speaker 3: using American mothers to have have children.

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00:53:09,613 --> 00:53:11,533
Speaker 2: This is interesting from Ryan. When you have all the

1106
00:53:11,573 --> 00:53:13,373
Speaker 2: money in the world, DNA is the next big thing.

1107
00:53:13,453 --> 00:53:15,573
Speaker 2: Happens a lot more than we know. So already have

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00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred kids. So is that saying that

1109
00:53:18,093 --> 00:53:20,573
Speaker 2: you've got all the money in the world, but there's

1110
00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:24,813
Speaker 2: a sort of immortality part of spreading your DNA around.

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00:53:24,973 --> 00:53:25,773
Speaker 3: I suppose it would be.

1112
00:53:25,973 --> 00:53:29,613
Speaker 2: So you're having a bigger footprint on the world because

1113
00:53:30,213 --> 00:53:31,413
Speaker 2: you know you remain mortal.

1114
00:53:31,813 --> 00:53:34,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've hit the billionaire goal and the next thing

1115
00:53:34,213 --> 00:53:34,973
Speaker 3: is have lots of kids.

1116
00:53:35,773 --> 00:53:37,252
Speaker 2: Dominique, welcome to the show.

1117
00:53:38,333 --> 00:53:41,692
Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me, Thanks for giving us a call.

1118
00:53:41,853 --> 00:53:45,293
Speaker 3: So you have a wonderful story. You have a baby

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00:53:45,333 --> 00:53:46,653
Speaker 3: on the way via surrogacy.

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Speaker 21: I do, I do, I actually had it. I haven't

1121
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:51,973
Speaker 21: been listening to the show, but a friend of mine

1122
00:53:52,053 --> 00:53:55,732
Speaker 21: text and and was like, hey, do you think talking

1123
00:53:55,813 --> 00:54:00,373
Speaker 21: on the radio they're looking for someone who is going

1124
00:54:00,453 --> 00:54:06,533
Speaker 21: through surrogacy. So my husband and I am currently expecting

1125
00:54:06,693 --> 00:54:11,613
Speaker 21: a little girl sex mane away after like a five

1126
00:54:11,693 --> 00:54:15,493
Speaker 21: year journey with IVF and we are expecting her to viasurrogacy,

1127
00:54:15,533 --> 00:54:16,212
Speaker 21: which is very cool.

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Speaker 2: How did you Thank you so much for it, for

1129
00:54:18,373 --> 00:54:20,373
Speaker 2: bringing in and thank your friends for getting hold of

1130
00:54:20,453 --> 00:54:22,973
Speaker 2: you for us, this is this is great and great

1131
00:54:22,973 --> 00:54:25,693
Speaker 2: to hear your story. So once you decided to go

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00:54:26,453 --> 00:54:30,573
Speaker 2: the surrogacy surrogacy path, how did you approach that dominique?

1133
00:54:32,413 --> 00:54:37,293
Speaker 21: So in New Zealand, it's quite a complex procedure. It's

1134
00:54:37,373 --> 00:54:39,853
Speaker 21: not something we could just decide. We had to be

1135
00:54:40,653 --> 00:54:46,573
Speaker 21: I guess offered by our medical practitioners. Our like fertility

1136
00:54:46,653 --> 00:54:50,173
Speaker 21: doctors recommended that it might be the only way that

1137
00:54:50,293 --> 00:54:53,413
Speaker 21: it would sort of happen for us. And so you

1138
00:54:53,533 --> 00:54:56,253
Speaker 21: go in front of the New Zealand Ethics Committee to

1139
00:54:56,333 --> 00:55:00,293
Speaker 21: get approval, You've got to have a bit of a

1140
00:55:00,573 --> 00:55:05,493
Speaker 21: history with a fertility clinic, of not being able to

1141
00:55:06,573 --> 00:55:10,333
Speaker 21: get pregnant or you know IBF not working, which we had,

1142
00:55:11,373 --> 00:55:17,573
Speaker 21: and so once we offered that as an option in

1143
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:20,973
Speaker 21: New Zealand, it's it's completely altruistic. So we couldn't go

1144
00:55:21,093 --> 00:55:24,493
Speaker 21: to like an agency how they've got in America and

1145
00:55:24,813 --> 00:55:29,013
Speaker 21: offer to pay someone. So I put it on our

1146
00:55:29,853 --> 00:55:33,652
Speaker 21: social media and an old friend of mine reached out.

1147
00:55:34,573 --> 00:55:36,333
Speaker 21: We have been back. We had lots of people reaching

1148
00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:40,573
Speaker 21: out that ultimately went with an old friend, which was

1149
00:55:40,853 --> 00:55:45,293
Speaker 21: amazing because the other problem with the law in New

1150
00:55:45,373 --> 00:55:50,613
Speaker 21: Zealand is that the birth mother is seen as the

1151
00:55:51,893 --> 00:55:56,773
Speaker 21: legal parent and the birth mother has up until a

1152
00:55:56,933 --> 00:56:00,053
Speaker 21: year after your child is born to change their mind

1153
00:56:01,533 --> 00:56:04,333
Speaker 21: because we have to adopt our baby once she's born.

1154
00:56:05,533 --> 00:56:08,053
Speaker 21: And so yeah, a little bit scary if you if

1155
00:56:08,093 --> 00:56:10,893
Speaker 21: you get someone that does change their mind, they've got

1156
00:56:10,973 --> 00:56:13,173
Speaker 21: a whole year to decide that.

1157
00:56:14,293 --> 00:56:18,093
Speaker 2: What was the motivation for the old friend to do

1158
00:56:18,213 --> 00:56:20,533
Speaker 2: the surrogacy, because you know, as you were saying, for

1159
00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:23,373
Speaker 2: it's not a it can't be a commercial venture here

1160
00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:25,292
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, it has to be altruistic.

1161
00:56:26,093 --> 00:56:30,293
Speaker 21: From the stargate mother, Yeah, look, she is just one

1162
00:56:30,373 --> 00:56:32,973
Speaker 21: of those people that in fact, when I posted on

1163
00:56:33,093 --> 00:56:35,333
Speaker 21: social media. I knew that she would be someone that

1164
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:39,773
Speaker 21: would offer, because that's just so in her nature. And

1165
00:56:40,453 --> 00:56:44,293
Speaker 21: I mean, I can't understand how anyone, you know, could

1166
00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:47,333
Speaker 21: possibly want to give, Like it's just the biggest gift

1167
00:56:47,373 --> 00:56:49,653
Speaker 21: that you could give someone. And I think that is

1168
00:56:49,733 --> 00:56:52,693
Speaker 21: exactly the reason why she would you want to do it.

1169
00:56:52,853 --> 00:56:56,493
Speaker 21: She's got two little boys of her own, and you know,

1170
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Speaker 21: I just said it's something that she had thought about previously,

1171
00:57:01,413 --> 00:57:05,493
Speaker 21: and just like, yeah, just a very very good, amazing

1172
00:57:05,693 --> 00:57:06,813
Speaker 21: kind person.

1173
00:57:06,933 --> 00:57:10,692
Speaker 3: What a wonderful person. So you mentioned before you had

1174
00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:14,533
Speaker 3: the five years of IVF and unfortunately unsuccessful. So the

1175
00:57:14,613 --> 00:57:18,333
Speaker 3: conversation you and your partner had when you were looking

1176
00:57:18,413 --> 00:57:21,653
Speaker 3: at what next, How how did that journey go when

1177
00:57:21,693 --> 00:57:25,013
Speaker 3: you were thinking about surrogacy and looking further into it.

1178
00:57:27,693 --> 00:57:31,573
Speaker 21: It was I think something neither of us had ever

1179
00:57:31,933 --> 00:57:34,853
Speaker 21: really thought we would be those people that were going

1180
00:57:34,893 --> 00:57:39,293
Speaker 21: down this you know road. It was a huge relief

1181
00:57:39,653 --> 00:57:44,333
Speaker 21: when the doctor suggested that we looked down this pass,

1182
00:57:45,493 --> 00:57:49,053
Speaker 21: because you know, after like several rounds and so many failures,

1183
00:57:49,293 --> 00:57:52,373
Speaker 21: you just it does start to really like eat away

1184
00:57:52,373 --> 00:57:56,053
Speaker 21: at you. So yeah, we were we were both relieved

1185
00:57:56,253 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 21: and thankfully My partner was also very open to the

1186
00:58:00,813 --> 00:58:04,773
Speaker 21: idea of surrogacy. You know, it's it's our DNA, so

1187
00:58:04,973 --> 00:58:09,413
Speaker 21: it's it's still our child, you know, biologically it's still

1188
00:58:09,453 --> 00:58:11,893
Speaker 21: our child, I think, which was really important for us.

1189
00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:17,493
Speaker 21: You know, I know some people open to adoption that

1190
00:58:17,813 --> 00:58:21,653
Speaker 21: wasn't I mean, I hadn't been considered at that point.

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00:58:21,773 --> 00:58:24,293
Speaker 18: So yeah, for us, I think it was really important

1192
00:58:24,453 --> 00:58:26,573
Speaker 18: having a child that was our own DNA.

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00:58:26,813 --> 00:58:26,973
Speaker 4: You know.

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00:58:28,053 --> 00:58:31,373
Speaker 2: Now, I was mentioned before that commercial surrogacy is illegal

1195
00:58:31,453 --> 00:58:34,573
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, but you are allowed to reimburse the

1196
00:58:34,693 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 2: surrogate reasonable expenses. You must feel, you know, the weight

1197
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:43,293
Speaker 2: of wanting to look after this old friend that's doing

1198
00:58:43,373 --> 00:58:46,333
Speaker 2: this for you, So how are you supporting them in

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Speaker 2: a non commercial way? Not paying them, but how are

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00:58:48,333 --> 00:58:51,333
Speaker 2: you supporting them with their needs and just day to day?

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00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:56,533
Speaker 21: Honestly I would, I would happily buy her anything she

1202
00:58:56,693 --> 00:58:59,413
Speaker 21: asked for, but she again, she's not the kind of

1203
00:58:59,453 --> 00:59:02,093
Speaker 21: person that is going to do that. That just is

1204
00:59:02,173 --> 00:59:06,173
Speaker 21: so against every bit of who she is. But like

1205
00:59:06,293 --> 00:59:10,613
Speaker 21: I said, she does have two little boys, which very

1206
00:59:12,173 --> 00:59:16,693
Speaker 21: very big into dirt bikes motorcycles, so they've got to

1207
00:59:16,853 --> 00:59:20,853
Speaker 21: they've got two dirt bikes coming for Christmas from Santa

1208
00:59:21,053 --> 00:59:24,813
Speaker 21: Yeah one. I'm very excited to see some videos of

1209
00:59:25,093 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 21: them receiving early hours of the morning.

1210
00:59:27,573 --> 00:59:30,053
Speaker 2: Hey, Dominique, we have to go to the news headlines now,

1211
00:59:30,093 --> 00:59:31,653
Speaker 2: but we've still got a bunch of questions for you.

1212
00:59:31,773 --> 00:59:35,173
Speaker 2: Would you be able to hold on for about probably.

1213
00:59:34,973 --> 00:59:38,013
Speaker 3: Five two minutes, about two minutes, about two minutes.

1214
00:59:38,453 --> 00:59:40,573
Speaker 2: And then we'll come back with you because this story

1215
00:59:40,653 --> 00:59:41,973
Speaker 2: is really interesting. Were loving talking to you.

1216
00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:45,773
Speaker 3: You're wonderful. We're going to be back shortly with Dominique.

1217
00:59:46,373 --> 00:59:49,013
Speaker 3: But right now the headlines with railing coming up twenty

1218
00:59:49,173 --> 00:59:49,733
Speaker 3: nine to three.

1219
00:59:52,093 --> 00:59:55,733
Speaker 12: You talk, there'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

1220
00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:59,693
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Former Deputy Police Commissioner

1221
00:59:59,773 --> 01:00:03,773
Speaker 12: Jevin mc skinning sentencing is underway in the Wellington District Court,

1222
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:06,333
Speaker 12: where more than a dozen people are filed into the

1223
01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:10,813
Speaker 12: public gallery. He pleaded gill last month to three representative

1224
01:00:10,933 --> 01:00:16,093
Speaker 12: charges of possessing objectionable material. The Attorney General says land

1225
01:00:16,253 --> 01:00:19,773
Speaker 12: returned by the government today never belonged to the Crown

1226
01:00:20,253 --> 01:00:24,053
Speaker 12: and this gives justice to descendants of its original Tetoui

1227
01:00:24,173 --> 01:00:28,333
Speaker 12: who owners the Fenua includes the Abel Tasman Track and

1228
01:00:28,413 --> 01:00:31,093
Speaker 12: the Kai Tedi Teddy Reserve and the public will still

1229
01:00:31,173 --> 01:00:36,333
Speaker 12: be allowed access. Meanwhile, legislations passing today to return Northland's

1230
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Speaker 12: historic Koruripu Pa in the Kettiketdi Basin tun Lapui. The

1231
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:46,893
Speaker 12: governments amending hydrogen sector health and safety regulations easing approval

1232
01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:51,253
Speaker 12: of appliances and fittings. Boaties urged to keep a weather

1233
01:00:51,333 --> 01:00:55,093
Speaker 12: eye for manta rays this season, now listed as nationally

1234
01:00:55,333 --> 01:01:00,373
Speaker 12: vulnerable in doc's latest conservation report. The online world is

1235
01:01:00,493 --> 01:01:04,173
Speaker 12: hurting our kids. Legislation can protect them. You can see

1236
01:01:04,213 --> 01:01:06,813
Speaker 12: the full column at ends at Herald Premium. Back now

1237
01:01:06,893 --> 01:01:08,213
Speaker 12: to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. So before the headlines, we

1239
01:01:11,213 --> 01:01:13,453
Speaker 3: were speaking with Dominique, who was expecting a child with

1240
01:01:13,573 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 3: her partner via Sor after five years of trying. Ivy, Yes,

1241
01:01:17,933 --> 01:01:21,053
Speaker 3: and Dominique is back with us. Dominique, thank you so

1242
01:01:21,253 --> 01:01:22,933
Speaker 3: much for hanging on. It's great to chat with you.

1243
01:01:23,133 --> 01:01:24,413
Speaker 21: That's okay, that's okay.

1244
01:01:24,893 --> 01:01:27,333
Speaker 2: So just to confirm because I might have misheard this.

1245
01:01:27,493 --> 01:01:31,213
Speaker 2: So there's the game mates are from you and your husband?

1246
01:01:31,493 --> 01:01:32,693
Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yeah?

1247
01:01:32,773 --> 01:01:34,693
Speaker 21: They call it an embryo. I once to get to

1248
01:01:34,813 --> 01:01:35,533
Speaker 21: that stage.

1249
01:01:36,773 --> 01:01:40,173
Speaker 2: A long time ago.

1250
01:01:40,373 --> 01:01:43,813
Speaker 18: Okay, yeah, no no, so yeah, it is our embryo

1251
01:01:44,693 --> 01:01:46,973
Speaker 18: which was transferred yes months ago.

1252
01:01:47,613 --> 01:01:51,693
Speaker 2: So, Dominique, have you have you talked about the birthday?

1253
01:01:52,253 --> 01:01:56,253
Speaker 2: And you know and and and who I guess you

1254
01:01:56,333 --> 01:02:02,413
Speaker 2: know it takes your daughter home after the birth? How

1255
01:02:02,453 --> 01:02:03,133
Speaker 2: that's going to run?

1256
01:02:05,093 --> 01:02:08,133
Speaker 21: So again in New Zealand, you've got a social worker

1257
01:02:08,413 --> 01:02:11,933
Speaker 21: gets assigned to you the minute you start this process,

1258
01:02:13,133 --> 01:02:15,653
Speaker 21: and we have to ring that social worker the minute

1259
01:02:16,493 --> 01:02:21,533
Speaker 21: my surrogate goes into labor, and they basically prepare start

1260
01:02:21,613 --> 01:02:24,653
Speaker 21: to prepare the documents that will allow you to take

1261
01:02:25,493 --> 01:02:32,213
Speaker 21: your child home straight after birth. So they they you're

1262
01:02:32,253 --> 01:02:35,573
Speaker 21: not legally adopting the child that day. That's a six

1263
01:02:35,693 --> 01:02:39,373
Speaker 21: month process that happens six months after birth.

1264
01:02:39,533 --> 01:02:43,173
Speaker 18: But you do get to take your baby home as

1265
01:02:43,213 --> 01:02:46,613
Speaker 18: a I think it's under like a legal guardianship kind

1266
01:02:46,653 --> 01:02:48,213
Speaker 18: of situation.

1267
01:02:49,013 --> 01:02:52,253
Speaker 2: So you and your husband will be there for the birth.

1268
01:02:52,693 --> 01:02:54,893
Speaker 2: You're there were well we will.

1269
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Speaker 3: So I mean it's to my years, it sounds like

1270
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Speaker 3: quite a daunting thing that you've gone through, a beautiful thing,

1271
01:03:00,573 --> 01:03:03,893
Speaker 3: but adorting thing. And you mentioned your doctor suggested it

1272
01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:08,173
Speaker 3: as a potential. Are there organizations processes in place to

1273
01:03:08,453 --> 01:03:10,613
Speaker 3: guide you through what you need to do to make

1274
01:03:10,693 --> 01:03:12,453
Speaker 3: it as easy as possible.

1275
01:03:14,573 --> 01:03:17,653
Speaker 21: Not not really there. So once you kind of get

1276
01:03:17,773 --> 01:03:20,053
Speaker 21: told that this could be an option for you, they

1277
01:03:20,373 --> 01:03:25,853
Speaker 21: handed you like a document stating the steps of like

1278
01:03:26,413 --> 01:03:30,133
Speaker 21: where to next, and then it's on you to find

1279
01:03:30,293 --> 01:03:34,933
Speaker 21: a surrogate, to make contact with all the right people, lawyers,

1280
01:03:35,013 --> 01:03:38,693
Speaker 21: social workers. There isn't an agency who sort of manages

1281
01:03:38,733 --> 01:03:43,333
Speaker 21: it all for you. And so through this process I

1282
01:03:44,133 --> 01:03:46,413
Speaker 21: met several other girls, you.

1283
01:03:46,453 --> 01:03:51,053
Speaker 18: Know, women families that have been through similar, you know.

1284
01:03:52,173 --> 01:03:57,133
Speaker 21: A similar process and began to sort of tack off

1285
01:03:57,213 --> 01:03:59,653
Speaker 21: the boxes one by one of you know, finding a

1286
01:03:59,733 --> 01:04:03,013
Speaker 21: social worker, finding a lawyer for myself, finding a lawyer

1287
01:04:03,053 --> 01:04:07,413
Speaker 21: for our surrogate, having to go through the IVF process again.

1288
01:04:08,813 --> 01:04:11,693
Speaker 21: So you know, it took me about a year all

1289
01:04:11,813 --> 01:04:17,373
Speaker 21: up working my way through that process. And then again

1290
01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:21,013
Speaker 21: you have to put together a large amount of information

1291
01:04:21,293 --> 01:04:26,373
Speaker 21: to get approval by the New Zealand Ethics Committee. And

1292
01:04:27,453 --> 01:04:30,213
Speaker 21: one of the hardest parts about surrogacy and New Zealand

1293
01:04:30,653 --> 01:04:32,093
Speaker 21: is obviously finding the surrogate.

1294
01:04:32,573 --> 01:04:35,053
Speaker 18: So unless you know someone.

1295
01:04:34,813 --> 01:04:39,453
Speaker 21: Who has sort of offered, and it's not a conversation that's.

1296
01:04:39,293 --> 01:04:42,733
Speaker 18: Often had, you know, around a drink or over the

1297
01:04:42,813 --> 01:04:43,413
Speaker 18: dinner table.

1298
01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:47,013
Speaker 21: It's really tricky and hence the.

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Speaker 18: Need for us to put it on social media. You know,

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Speaker 18: we don't really know where to.

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Speaker 21: Start that conversation. When we posted it, we had an

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Speaker 21: overwhelming response from like our community of people I guess

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Speaker 21: around us. I think maybe like sixteen people responded with

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Speaker 21: genuine interest in helping us, which was mind blowing. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: people shared our you know, our Instagram post over and

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01:05:13,773 --> 01:05:16,493
Speaker 21: over again, and you know, thousands of people had seen it,

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Speaker 21: seen it, and I began sort of working my way

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Speaker 21: through the messages and then then you know, my friend,

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Speaker 21: my old friend's name popped up, and that was very

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Speaker 21: reassuring because even before so once you start, you get

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Speaker 21: told that you have to know someone for at least

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Speaker 21: six months. So if someone had reached out and it

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Speaker 21: wasn't someone I knew, I needed to know them for

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Speaker 21: six months before I could even sort of start the conversation,

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Speaker 21: which six months is not not a hell of a

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Speaker 21: lot of time to trust somebody with with that, you know,

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Speaker 21: so we were really hopeful that someone we knew already

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Speaker 21: would reach out, which ended up happening.

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Speaker 2: Dominic, thank you so much for talking to us today

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Speaker 2: and thank you being for being so open. It's really

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01:06:07,053 --> 01:06:10,653
Speaker 2: really interesting. Now you're in the situation where you and

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Speaker 2: your partner are going to be the biological parents. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's very different from adoption and how things go forward.

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Speaker 2: But but what kind of relationship do you see the

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Speaker 2: surrogate mother having with your with your daughter going forward?

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Speaker 21: If any, it's it's definitely will be part of her story.

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Speaker 18: And again it's something that then the the counselors that

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Speaker 18: we work through.

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Speaker 21: Work with, they tell you that it has to be

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Speaker 21: known to that child, like every child has a right

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Speaker 21: to know how they came into this world. So by

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Speaker 21: New Zealand's law, it is actually on us to all

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Speaker 21: to share the information. It's not information we can withhold.

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Speaker 21: So for us, I guess it will just be it

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Speaker 21: will just be part of her story of how you know,

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Speaker 21: she came to be. I mean, she is an old

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01:07:07,373 --> 01:07:10,973
Speaker 21: friend of mine, so I've always had a friendship with her.

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Speaker 21: It's not like that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now, It's not going to disappear just because yeah.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, so so it's nice. It'll just be continued,

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01:07:19,653 --> 01:07:23,093
Speaker 21: you know, and probably change slightly.

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Speaker 18: You know, we'll probably see him more than I did previously.

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01:07:28,213 --> 01:07:30,293
Speaker 2: And so you say it's going to be part of

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01:07:30,373 --> 01:07:34,013
Speaker 2: your daughter's story, When will let stories start? If you

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01:07:34,093 --> 01:07:34,573
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 21: They sort of advise you that the minute your child

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01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:44,093
Speaker 21: starts asking, that's that's the conversation. And there's lots of

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Speaker 21: resources they've given us, like really nice books for children,

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Speaker 21: you know, because again, like my surrogate, she's got two

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Speaker 21: little kids who are going to be asking, you know,

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Speaker 21: where this baby is going when the baby arrives and

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Speaker 21: then doesn't come home, you know, So there's there's books

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Speaker 21: around that both for her kids to sort of have

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Speaker 21: an understanding and make the full circle connect, you know,

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Speaker 21: because there are only like six.

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Speaker 2: And four Yeah, oh yes, right, I see.

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Speaker 19: And so.

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Speaker 2: Are they any concerns from you that you know, she's

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Speaker 2: had two boys now having a girl, you know, is

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Speaker 2: there any concerns that you know what I'm asking?

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Speaker 21: Look, I do know what you're asking.

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Speaker 18: I do.

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Speaker 21: No, there are not. Maybe maybe if I didn't know her,

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01:08:37,452 --> 01:08:40,812
Speaker 21: like sure, that would cross your mind. As her husband

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01:08:40,893 --> 01:08:43,452
Speaker 21: said to my husband, you know, like you one thousand

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Speaker 21: percent need to pick up this baby. I did not

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Speaker 21: sign up for another one. So we've reassured him.

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Speaker 18: That, you know, we will be absolutely taking her home.

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Speaker 21: You know, they didn't want any more children, and actually

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Speaker 21: that's part of the you know, that's part of the process.

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Speaker 21: They when they get asked, you know, do you want

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Speaker 21: more kids, the ant has to be not. You can't

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01:09:05,652 --> 01:09:08,293
Speaker 21: they can't say yeah, yeah, we kind of do. You know,

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Speaker 21: he probably wouldn't get approved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dominique, it's been wonderful to chat with you, and

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Speaker 3: so so happy that you've got a beautiful baby on

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Speaker 3: the way in another three months. And can I just say,

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Speaker 3: you know, is knowing the pain of having trouble having children,

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Speaker 3: it's a wonderful thing that has happened to you and

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Speaker 3: your partner. And thank you very much for having a

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Speaker 3: chat with us.

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Speaker 21: Much appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Guys, have a great day you too. What a great

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Speaker 3: call from Dominique. I mean, it is fascinating. She was fantastic. Right,

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Speaker 3: we are taking more calls, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: After the break, we're gonna have a chat with Bill,

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Speaker 3: who has a four year old via IVF and surrogate eggs.

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Speaker 3: He's coming up next at sixteen to.

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Speaker 1: Three, a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathen

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty Youth Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be fourteen to three, and we are talking about surrogacy.

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Speaker 3: If you've been through that journey, love to hear from

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Speaker 3: you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Bill.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I hope you're all today, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very much. You're an interesting situation.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is.

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Speaker 22: Especially good story for you, tails because I know you're

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01:10:15,452 --> 01:10:16,973
Speaker 22: having a couple of issues.

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Speaker 4: Like we did.

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01:10:17,492 --> 01:10:17,612
Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 22: We went through many rounds of five years no luck.

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01:10:23,133 --> 01:10:25,652
Speaker 22: I had already had two boys from a previous marriage,

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01:10:25,692 --> 01:10:28,813
Speaker 22: so it looked like that my side of the biological

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01:10:29,093 --> 01:10:32,333
Speaker 22: puzzle was okay. But it was my wife's eggs that

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01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:37,173
Speaker 22: were the problems. You know, and after this, ivy happens

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01:10:37,213 --> 01:10:39,572
Speaker 22: a few times and it felt like a you know,

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01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:42,892
Speaker 22: just felt like we were losing the baby. Retirement didn't work,

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01:10:42,973 --> 01:10:44,812
Speaker 22: and that was really really hard on my wife. And

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01:10:44,893 --> 01:10:46,933
Speaker 22: we went back to the doctor till six He is

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01:10:47,213 --> 01:10:49,572
Speaker 22: the worst news and he said, why don't you try

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01:10:49,612 --> 01:10:52,772
Speaker 22: a sarrogon eggs and we went, well, what can you

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01:10:52,893 --> 01:10:55,013
Speaker 22: do that? And sure enough you can get a news

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01:10:55,093 --> 01:10:57,612
Speaker 22: donator through the IVUS program.

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Speaker 4: That helped us.

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Speaker 22: Now, what I didn't realize was the less of legal

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01:11:04,732 --> 01:11:07,772
Speaker 22: you have to It's a real legal process that you've

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01:11:07,772 --> 01:11:09,333
Speaker 22: got to go through. It was done at about five

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01:11:09,372 --> 01:11:13,213
Speaker 22: or six thousand dollars to the cost to make sure

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01:11:13,293 --> 01:11:16,253
Speaker 22: that the person donating on my book bag on it.

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01:11:16,333 --> 01:11:21,893
Speaker 22: Now it's been a while, but the legal process to

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01:11:21,973 --> 01:11:24,933
Speaker 22: make sure that the person donating you can't come and

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01:11:25,013 --> 01:11:26,692
Speaker 22: claim that they bee the laces that were at the

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01:11:26,853 --> 01:11:30,772
Speaker 22: stage and all that sort of it's quite complicated, right.

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Speaker 18: I was.

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Speaker 22: I didn't really like the idea, right, you're wrongly just

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01:11:37,893 --> 01:11:42,772
Speaker 22: because we just said, come from who was it? What's

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01:11:42,853 --> 01:11:44,852
Speaker 22: going on? And we were talking to the family about it,

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01:11:44,973 --> 01:11:48,053
Speaker 22: and we're very lucky my wife's sister pops the one

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01:11:48,093 --> 01:11:51,532
Speaker 22: and I don't know yet when we went on, are

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01:11:51,532 --> 01:11:53,612
Speaker 22: you going to do it for us? So sure enough

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01:11:53,812 --> 01:11:56,013
Speaker 22: we went back to the doctor and because it was

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01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:58,053
Speaker 22: his sister, we didn't have to do any of the

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01:11:58,173 --> 01:12:01,852
Speaker 22: legal stuff and it made the process so much simpler.

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Speaker 22: So long story short, we've now got a beautiful little

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Speaker 22: four year old. This is this is a more obviously

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01:12:09,053 --> 01:12:13,372
Speaker 22: four years ago now, and it was just just because

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01:12:13,412 --> 01:12:18,372
Speaker 22: I'd already had two boys. It wasn't wasn't everything for me,

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01:12:18,532 --> 01:12:20,652
Speaker 22: but it was everything to my wife. You just couldn't

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01:12:20,692 --> 01:12:24,053
Speaker 22: have children at all, you know. So we're just eternally

1441
01:12:24,133 --> 01:12:28,253
Speaker 22: grateful to the scientist comes up with all these things.

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01:12:28,293 --> 01:12:29,933
Speaker 22: That's quite an amazing process, you know.

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01:12:30,652 --> 01:12:34,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, or congratulations, Bill, I'm so glad that that worked

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01:12:34,412 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 2: out for you. But so so why is it that

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01:12:37,893 --> 01:12:40,692
Speaker 2: if it's within the family, it's a sister, that that

1446
01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:44,333
Speaker 2: that that all all that other complications don't come into it.

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01:12:44,532 --> 01:12:47,652
Speaker 19: As I still haven't got to the bottom of that now.

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01:12:47,853 --> 01:12:50,013
Speaker 22: I think it's because it's in the family and you

1449
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:52,213
Speaker 22: sort of just expect that you can work at it yourself.

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01:12:52,452 --> 01:12:55,013
Speaker 22: I think it's just not some random random stranger that just.

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01:12:55,093 --> 01:12:56,532
Speaker 7: Turns up on your door set one day.

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01:12:57,093 --> 01:12:59,852
Speaker 22: I think that's the difference. The other thing, too, is

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01:13:00,013 --> 01:13:03,093
Speaker 22: a little girl, because because my wife and who just

1454
01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:06,412
Speaker 22: a look alike? Our little girl looks like my wife.

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01:13:07,692 --> 01:13:09,972
Speaker 3: It's just gonna what's that, Bill, Because that when your sister,

1456
01:13:10,253 --> 01:13:12,972
Speaker 3: you know, said hey, I can help out here, which

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01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:15,452
Speaker 3: is a wonderful thing for you guys. But that you know,

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01:13:15,572 --> 01:13:18,173
Speaker 3: the idea that there'll be the genetics and the DNA

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01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:21,372
Speaker 3: that that she shares with your wife is obviously a

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01:13:21,412 --> 01:13:22,053
Speaker 3: big thing as well.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, and it was and and for me, weirdly, and

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01:13:25,253 --> 01:13:26,732
Speaker 22: that was the big thing with me, or that whole

1463
01:13:26,772 --> 01:13:29,372
Speaker 22: genetics thing. And you know, I would I would have

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01:13:29,452 --> 01:13:31,213
Speaker 22: done anything for my wife. I would have I would

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01:13:31,253 --> 01:13:33,612
Speaker 22: have said yes, But in the back of my mind,

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01:13:33,612 --> 01:13:37,053
Speaker 22: I still had that wed where did the genes come from?

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01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:39,572
Speaker 22: And I don't know if that's right or wrong.

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01:13:39,692 --> 01:13:41,013
Speaker 4: It just it was just there, you know.

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01:13:41,213 --> 01:13:44,372
Speaker 22: But yeah, just to have this little girl that looks

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01:13:44,492 --> 01:13:46,772
Speaker 22: like my wife and has still got the genes of

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01:13:46,812 --> 01:13:49,052
Speaker 22: the family. And then one day, when the time comes,

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01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:51,732
Speaker 22: we'll tell her what happened and how she came her

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01:13:51,772 --> 01:13:54,772
Speaker 22: ound very quickly. The last topicing thing was all sorts

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01:13:54,772 --> 01:13:56,652
Speaker 22: of problems and the pregnancy and she was born at

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01:13:56,692 --> 01:13:58,372
Speaker 22: twenty seven weeks at five hundred gramd.

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01:13:58,612 --> 01:13:58,852
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:01,253
Speaker 22: So we we had another three or four months in

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01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:04,213
Speaker 22: the hospital trying to you know, we still we thought

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01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:06,492
Speaker 22: we were going to lose her again. But no, long

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01:14:06,532 --> 01:14:09,932
Speaker 22: story shorts, everything's booked out. We've got a little four

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Speaker 22: year old at rules for house.

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Speaker 3: That is beautiful.

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01:14:13,133 --> 01:14:16,492
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for ringing and sharing that story. Yeah, boy,

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01:14:16,612 --> 01:14:19,652
Speaker 2: it's a wonderful and complex world out there, isn't it

1485
01:14:19,772 --> 01:14:22,692
Speaker 2: before it is? And you know, you know Dominique and

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01:14:22,812 --> 01:14:27,293
Speaker 2: Bill their stories are so wholesome and incredible as opposed

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01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:30,452
Speaker 2: to what started the story with the Chinese billionaire in

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01:14:30,532 --> 01:14:32,732
Speaker 2: the States trying to buy one hundred babies.

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01:14:33,173 --> 01:14:35,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wholesome stuff's nice, but oh, one hundred and

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01:14:35,812 --> 01:14:38,293
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It is

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Speaker 3: nine minutes of three, beag very shortly.

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Speaker 6: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 6: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News talks'b News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It is six two three, Hey boys, I'm tearing up

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01:14:52,572 --> 01:14:54,732
Speaker 2: listening to this. My wife and I went through surrogacy

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01:14:54,853 --> 01:14:57,173
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, says this text. Are ten years of

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01:14:57,293 --> 01:15:00,133
Speaker 2: heartache before everything fell into place through the incredible offer

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01:15:00,213 --> 01:15:02,893
Speaker 2: from our surrogate. Our boy is a consonant reminder to

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01:15:02,973 --> 01:15:06,333
Speaker 2: us how lucky we are really is incredible. Shout out

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01:15:06,412 --> 01:15:10,293
Speaker 2: Stace Rich and family and the stick says, wow, this

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01:15:10,412 --> 01:15:13,013
Speaker 2: beautiful story. Hey, lad's my wife and I started a

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01:15:13,013 --> 01:15:15,572
Speaker 2: two year process from selecting a surrogate in the USA

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01:15:15,692 --> 01:15:18,372
Speaker 2: and creating our embryos to birth of baby girl and

1505
01:15:18,412 --> 01:15:21,213
Speaker 2: getting her home our DNA but still treated like an

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01:15:21,213 --> 01:15:25,492
Speaker 2: adoption in New Zealand are archaic laws. It cost over

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01:15:25,532 --> 01:15:27,652
Speaker 2: eleven thousand and k to complete the adoption of our

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01:15:27,692 --> 01:15:30,732
Speaker 2: own baby. That it is so complicated, so you know,

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01:15:30,853 --> 01:15:35,253
Speaker 2: it is completely biologically your child, but because it's been

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01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:40,933
Speaker 2: you know, just stated in a surrogate mother there you

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01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:43,772
Speaker 2: have it right, Yeah, you have to adopt it. So

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01:15:44,053 --> 01:15:46,692
Speaker 2: but I mean you can see you can also see

1513
01:15:46,812 --> 01:15:49,772
Speaker 2: why that is a law. It's just so incredibly complicated

1514
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:50,173
Speaker 2: it is.

1515
01:15:50,492 --> 01:15:52,972
Speaker 3: And this is a nice text as well. Okay, guys,

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01:15:53,053 --> 01:15:56,212
Speaker 3: my husband and I had several unsuccessful tries at IVF

1517
01:15:56,333 --> 01:15:59,492
Speaker 3: before a wonderful friend offered to be a surrogate for us.

1518
01:15:59,572 --> 01:16:02,333
Speaker 3: We started through the process of organizing this and decided

1519
01:16:02,372 --> 01:16:05,412
Speaker 3: to do one final round of IVF. Amazingly, knowing that

1520
01:16:05,532 --> 01:16:08,172
Speaker 3: we had a backup plan must have helped the IVF

1521
01:16:08,173 --> 01:16:10,452
Speaker 3: a long because we now have a nineteen almost twenty

1522
01:16:10,572 --> 01:16:12,732
Speaker 3: year old son. What a beautiful story.

1523
01:16:13,133 --> 01:16:16,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what a great hour of chat. That was incredible. Yeah,

1524
01:16:16,812 --> 01:16:19,732
Speaker 2: Dominique and Bill's story. We're just amazing.

1525
01:16:19,893 --> 01:16:22,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that has talk back at its best.

1526
01:16:22,253 --> 01:16:23,892
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for those two, and thank

1527
01:16:23,973 --> 01:16:27,692
Speaker 3: you to everyone who texts as well. Coming up after

1528
01:16:28,013 --> 01:16:31,452
Speaker 3: three o'clock, this is a great story. DVDs and CDs

1529
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:35,213
Speaker 3: are becoming call again. So the trend apparently is driven

1530
01:16:35,293 --> 01:16:37,732
Speaker 3: by gen z or Z. However, you want to say

1531
01:16:37,732 --> 01:16:40,412
Speaker 3: that looking for the novelty of vintage media on just

1532
01:16:40,532 --> 01:16:43,372
Speaker 3: as well as collectors and millennials itching to ditch their

1533
01:16:43,412 --> 01:16:47,372
Speaker 3: pricey streaming services. That is, according to experts, old CDs

1534
01:16:47,612 --> 01:16:48,133
Speaker 3: call again.

1535
01:16:48,492 --> 01:16:53,493
Speaker 2: This sounds like rubbish. Why would kids be into CDs

1536
01:16:54,053 --> 01:16:56,412
Speaker 2: when they can have any song they want in the

1537
01:16:56,612 --> 01:17:00,093
Speaker 2: entire world on streaming. But I know for fact this

1538
01:17:00,333 --> 01:17:04,852
Speaker 2: isn't rubbish this story because my son's friends are buying

1539
01:17:04,933 --> 01:17:10,772
Speaker 2: CDs teenagers, yes, and kids of my friends my age,

1540
01:17:10,973 --> 01:17:13,253
Speaker 2: their kids, they're buying CDs for their kids.

1541
01:17:13,372 --> 01:17:14,093
Speaker 3: I'm loving this.

1542
01:17:14,772 --> 01:17:17,012
Speaker 2: It's goody old, stinky old CDs are back.

1543
01:17:17,293 --> 01:17:18,893
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to

1544
01:17:18,933 --> 01:17:20,732
Speaker 3: hear from you if your kids are doing the same.

1545
01:17:20,812 --> 01:17:23,893
Speaker 3: They're getting off Spotify and they're actually getting into the

1546
01:17:23,933 --> 01:17:26,293
Speaker 3: basement in the boxes and finding your old CDs. Love

1547
01:17:26,333 --> 01:17:28,293
Speaker 3: to hear from you. I wait one hundred eighty ten

1548
01:17:28,372 --> 01:17:30,732
Speaker 3: eighty and you yourself, if you've still got a massive

1549
01:17:30,812 --> 01:17:34,053
Speaker 3: CD collection, what have you got going on? Have you

1550
01:17:34,093 --> 01:17:36,173
Speaker 3: still got the old six discplayer in the back of

1551
01:17:36,213 --> 01:17:36,532
Speaker 3: the boot?

1552
01:17:36,772 --> 01:17:39,213
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not one hundred percent different from surrogacy?

1553
01:17:39,333 --> 01:17:41,772
Speaker 2: Is it the way sort of CD goes? No, it is,

1554
01:17:41,812 --> 01:17:42,372
Speaker 2: it's very different.

1555
01:17:42,412 --> 01:17:45,012
Speaker 3: Oh, there was a good analogy, mate, Right, the news

1556
01:17:45,213 --> 01:17:46,532
Speaker 3: is coming up to stay right here.

1557
01:17:54,173 --> 01:17:57,932
Speaker 1: Your new home are in stateful and entertaining Talk. It's

1558
01:17:58,093 --> 01:18:01,972
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1559
01:18:01,933 --> 01:18:05,452
Speaker 3: SEV very good afternoons. You're welcome back into the show

1560
01:18:05,732 --> 01:18:06,892
Speaker 3: seven past three.

1561
01:18:07,372 --> 01:18:10,052
Speaker 2: Here's a text, Hey, does this show go up online

1562
01:18:10,133 --> 01:18:11,932
Speaker 2: to listen back? I would love my sister to hear

1563
01:18:12,053 --> 01:18:16,253
Speaker 2: the last hour, would give her some hope. Yes, Matt

1564
01:18:16,293 --> 01:18:18,492
Speaker 2: Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. There is a podcast that

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Speaker 2: goes up every day just after the show rounds. It's

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Speaker 2: normally up by around five pm. But also we're going

1567
01:18:25,612 --> 01:18:30,532
Speaker 2: to isolate Dominice's chat with us about her surrogacy journey

1568
01:18:31,333 --> 01:18:33,253
Speaker 2: and put that up as a separate podcast. If you

1569
01:18:33,372 --> 01:18:34,852
Speaker 2: just want to go and that'll be up.

1570
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Speaker 3: That'll be up very soon, very soon at news talk

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1572
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1573
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Speaker 2: You get your podcasts. It's a good place to get

1574
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about, Tyler. Yes, but

1575
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Speaker 2: also a special rubbish just kidding you get it a

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Speaker 3: You're pretty good.

1585
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1586
01:19:19,253 --> 01:19:21,812
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful in a rainbow while I was

1587
01:19:21,853 --> 01:19:25,772
Speaker 2: saying that. And today's kickass key way that we're catching

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1589
01:19:28,652 --> 01:19:31,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing guest and amazing man. So that's coming up

1590
01:19:31,452 --> 01:19:33,772
Speaker 3: in about twenty five minutes, but right now, let's have

1591
01:19:33,893 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 3: a chat about the story out of America. But it's

1592
01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:40,173
Speaker 3: also in New Zealand as well. The trend of DVDs

1593
01:19:40,572 --> 01:19:44,132
Speaker 3: and CDs are becoming call again. So this trend, according

1594
01:19:44,173 --> 01:19:46,973
Speaker 3: to experts, is driven by some of the younger generations

1595
01:19:47,093 --> 01:19:49,772
Speaker 3: gen Z. They are now looking they say, for the

1596
01:19:49,853 --> 01:19:52,812
Speaker 3: novelty of vintage media on dis as well as collectors

1597
01:19:52,853 --> 01:19:57,692
Speaker 3: and millennials itching to ditch their pricey streaming services. They

1598
01:19:57,772 --> 01:20:00,772
Speaker 3: also want to exercise true ownership of their media and

1599
01:20:00,812 --> 01:20:04,572
Speaker 3: better support the artists they love and looking at those numbers,

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01:20:04,612 --> 01:20:08,772
Speaker 3: so CD sales up forty seven percent this year.

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01:20:09,372 --> 01:20:12,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, at a place called discogs. But interesting to see

1602
01:20:12,732 --> 01:20:15,812
Speaker 2: because Vinyl has long been at a reunion and I

1603
01:20:15,933 --> 01:20:16,213
Speaker 2: was in it.

1604
01:20:16,692 --> 01:20:17,173
Speaker 4: What's this?

1605
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,812
Speaker 2: I've got to remember the name of the record store

1606
01:20:19,853 --> 01:20:21,772
Speaker 2: that I was in the other day on Simon Street.

1607
01:20:21,812 --> 01:20:25,852
Speaker 2: Someone will know Simon Street record Store. And it was

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01:20:26,053 --> 01:20:32,772
Speaker 2: packed southbound. Yeah, it was absolutely packed southbound records with

1609
01:20:32,933 --> 01:20:37,133
Speaker 2: people on I think it was a Sunday, early afternoon

1610
01:20:37,532 --> 01:20:41,053
Speaker 2: and there were just every bin had some wounded like

1611
01:20:41,173 --> 01:20:41,973
Speaker 2: me flicking through it.

1612
01:20:42,173 --> 01:20:44,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean it is I mean Vinyl,

1613
01:20:44,452 --> 01:20:46,612
Speaker 3: and I suppose it's something similar to what they're looking

1614
01:20:46,652 --> 01:20:50,173
Speaker 3: for for CDs, that tangible product that you can take

1615
01:20:50,253 --> 01:20:53,253
Speaker 3: out of the sleeve and put on the turntables and

1616
01:20:53,412 --> 01:20:55,333
Speaker 3: sit down and have a nice glass of wine and

1617
01:20:55,452 --> 01:20:58,293
Speaker 3: experience it that way. There was something about that ritual

1618
01:20:58,333 --> 01:20:59,812
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, right, Yeah, Like.

1619
01:21:00,053 --> 01:21:05,492
Speaker 2: For example, I you know, I could listen to a

1620
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:10,932
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown Christmas the nineteen sixty five TV Specials theme,

1621
01:21:12,213 --> 01:21:14,013
Speaker 2: you know, on a number of streaming services, But just

1622
01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:15,852
Speaker 2: last night I jumped on trade me and spend one

1623
01:21:15,933 --> 01:21:19,812
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty bucks buying the vinyl version of it. Yeah,

1624
01:21:21,013 --> 01:21:23,892
Speaker 2: so you know, there is something about it. There's something

1625
01:21:23,933 --> 01:21:25,852
Speaker 2: that you get excited about a piece of music. There's

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01:21:25,853 --> 01:21:28,253
Speaker 2: something about physically putting it on that that is that

1627
01:21:28,372 --> 01:21:31,572
Speaker 2: is meaningful. But I just never thought CDs would come back. No,

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01:21:32,013 --> 01:21:36,132
Speaker 2: CDs seem to be a stopgap medium. It's a digital recording.

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01:21:36,412 --> 01:21:39,933
Speaker 2: You know, A record is analog, YEP, A CD is

1630
01:21:39,973 --> 01:21:42,333
Speaker 2: a digital recording. It's just a sort of another way

1631
01:21:42,333 --> 01:21:45,612
Speaker 2: of getting it getting across the medium, right. Yeah, So

1632
01:21:46,173 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 2: it is interesting that's coming back. But I think you're right, Tyler.

1633
01:21:48,293 --> 01:21:50,452
Speaker 2: It's the tangible nature. You like an artist and you

1634
01:21:50,492 --> 01:21:53,133
Speaker 2: want to buy something from Everything on streaming is just

1635
01:21:53,293 --> 01:21:54,452
Speaker 2: here and gone tomorrow.

1636
01:21:55,213 --> 01:21:57,052
Speaker 3: So we're taking your calls on O eight one hundred

1637
01:21:57,053 --> 01:22:00,013
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty our CD's call again. Have you

1638
01:22:00,093 --> 01:22:02,572
Speaker 3: still got a massive collection of CDs? Love to hear

1639
01:22:02,612 --> 01:22:05,812
Speaker 3: from you. Nine two nine two. But right now.

1640
01:22:08,652 --> 01:22:11,893
Speaker 6: This is news Talk said, be breaking news.

1641
01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:16,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, some breaking news. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Gevin Mcskimmen

1642
01:22:16,492 --> 01:22:20,492
Speaker 3: has been sentenced to nine months home detention for possessing

1643
01:22:20,612 --> 01:22:25,133
Speaker 3: objectionable material. Just repeating that. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Gevin

1644
01:22:25,173 --> 01:22:28,492
Speaker 3: mcskimming has been sentenced to nine months home detention for

1645
01:22:28,652 --> 01:22:32,412
Speaker 3: possessing objectional material. There'll be plenty more to come on

1646
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:35,412
Speaker 3: that as the afternoon progresses and progresses, and obviously with

1647
01:22:35,572 --> 01:22:38,932
Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge, but we're going to take a quick break

1648
01:22:39,013 --> 01:22:41,013
Speaker 3: and then back with your calls on CDs. It is

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01:22:41,093 --> 01:22:41,892
Speaker 3: eleven past three.

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01:22:42,133 --> 01:22:43,053
Speaker 6: News Talk said, b.

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01:22:47,372 --> 01:22:47,412
Speaker 18: A.

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01:22:47,612 --> 01:22:49,692
Speaker 2: This is the record I bought last night.

1653
01:22:50,013 --> 01:22:50,932
Speaker 3: This is a goodbye man.

1654
01:22:51,093 --> 01:22:55,372
Speaker 2: It's Charlie Brown Christmas of course, relaxing from nineteen sixty five.

1655
01:22:55,532 --> 01:22:58,772
Speaker 3: Just sitting around the table having a beautiful Christmas lunch

1656
01:22:58,893 --> 01:22:59,253
Speaker 3: or dinner.

1657
01:22:59,933 --> 01:23:02,412
Speaker 2: But I could just stream it, you see, So what's

1658
01:23:02,452 --> 01:23:04,253
Speaker 2: the logic and me spend one hundred and twenty bucks

1659
01:23:04,293 --> 01:23:06,372
Speaker 2: on trade me to buy it on vinyl because it's

1660
01:23:06,372 --> 01:23:08,013
Speaker 2: not the same. It's the ritual of it.

1661
01:23:08,372 --> 01:23:10,692
Speaker 3: You can see it spinning on the turntable. It's just

1662
01:23:10,812 --> 01:23:14,133
Speaker 3: that physical, tangible nature of it that makes it real,

1663
01:23:14,333 --> 01:23:17,132
Speaker 3: whereas digital just feels it seems a little bit cheap sometimes.

1664
01:23:17,612 --> 01:23:20,813
Speaker 2: Just my thoughts. So we're talking about the return of CDs.

1665
01:23:21,412 --> 01:23:27,132
Speaker 2: Huge uptake up, up surge in CD sales. Yeah, possibly

1666
01:23:27,893 --> 01:23:31,093
Speaker 2: from younger people. It seems they want something tangible, as

1667
01:23:31,133 --> 01:23:33,572
Speaker 2: you say, although this Texas says I didn't know CDs

1668
01:23:33,612 --> 01:23:36,572
Speaker 2: had gone away, Well, well, you see you didn't. This

1669
01:23:36,652 --> 01:23:38,452
Speaker 2: is information. You don't even know they went away. Now

1670
01:23:38,532 --> 01:23:41,492
Speaker 2: they're back. You know, the first piece of news is

1671
01:23:42,093 --> 01:23:42,812
Speaker 2: irrelevant to you now?

1672
01:23:42,893 --> 01:23:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. If I still got your CDs, you're cool. Now,

1673
01:23:45,372 --> 01:23:46,093
Speaker 3: You're very cool.

1674
01:23:46,293 --> 01:23:49,053
Speaker 2: I'm twenty and I use heaps of CDs, mostly because

1675
01:23:49,093 --> 01:23:50,412
Speaker 2: bla car doesn't have bluetooth.

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01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:54,173
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number. Get

1677
01:23:54,253 --> 01:23:57,452
Speaker 3: a joy, Oh doll?

1678
01:23:57,532 --> 01:23:58,492
Speaker 4: You good?

1679
01:23:58,853 --> 01:24:00,612
Speaker 3: Now you're a big CD fan? Is that right?

1680
01:24:02,293 --> 01:24:02,412
Speaker 4: Well?

1681
01:24:02,452 --> 01:24:07,132
Speaker 17: I've got teenage boys and last Christmas their favorite present

1682
01:24:07,492 --> 01:24:08,533
Speaker 17: was the record.

1683
01:24:10,333 --> 01:24:11,932
Speaker 2: Did you say? Do you say? Teenage boys?

1684
01:24:12,812 --> 01:24:13,012
Speaker 21: Yep?

1685
01:24:13,572 --> 01:24:14,732
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, and.

1686
01:24:16,812 --> 01:24:18,852
Speaker 17: You see the record players on the house, one on

1687
01:24:18,973 --> 01:24:20,652
Speaker 17: each one on their rooms and one on the retro

1688
01:24:20,732 --> 01:24:24,852
Speaker 17: lounge retrolouns wi Fi three. Yeah, so that's where we

1689
01:24:24,893 --> 01:24:27,532
Speaker 17: play all the records and uh, you know, you know

1690
01:24:27,612 --> 01:24:29,293
Speaker 17: the old sing get up and change the records. They've

1691
01:24:29,372 --> 01:24:33,932
Speaker 17: come back obviously good. Is a surprise that the teenagers

1692
01:24:33,973 --> 01:24:34,572
Speaker 17: are into it now?

1693
01:24:35,053 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so so your kids both have record players

1694
01:24:38,133 --> 01:24:40,053
Speaker 2: in their bedrooms, did you say yep?

1695
01:24:40,532 --> 01:24:40,732
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1696
01:24:40,893 --> 01:24:43,532
Speaker 2: Wow? And I mean there is a saying about records.

1697
01:24:43,692 --> 01:24:46,213
Speaker 2: What are people like about records? It's the inconvenience and

1698
01:24:46,253 --> 01:24:50,772
Speaker 2: the expense. Are they listening to only records? Are they

1699
01:24:50,893 --> 01:24:52,333
Speaker 2: also blasting streaming?

1700
01:24:53,853 --> 01:24:55,933
Speaker 17: Nah, they've gone off a lot of the streaming. I

1701
01:24:56,013 --> 01:24:58,612
Speaker 17: mean they will do it, but I mean records is

1702
01:24:58,612 --> 01:25:00,852
Speaker 17: the way to go it. Just like you say, before

1703
01:25:00,893 --> 01:25:03,452
Speaker 17: the touch the field, the tangible side of it and

1704
01:25:03,572 --> 01:25:05,372
Speaker 17: been able to show the screens. You know, hey, look

1705
01:25:05,372 --> 01:25:07,973
Speaker 17: at this, you know, versus the digital side of it,

1706
01:25:08,572 --> 01:25:09,852
Speaker 17: and there's nothing there is there.

1707
01:25:09,933 --> 01:25:10,572
Speaker 16: Got a character.

1708
01:25:10,812 --> 01:25:12,492
Speaker 3: I wonder if a part of it is you know,

1709
01:25:12,532 --> 01:25:14,372
Speaker 3: they call it the paradox a choice when you've got

1710
01:25:14,532 --> 01:25:17,812
Speaker 3: so many options that you just cannot decide what you

1711
01:25:17,933 --> 01:25:20,772
Speaker 3: want to listen to that. When you've got your CD

1712
01:25:20,853 --> 01:25:23,093
Speaker 3: collection or your record collection, you can see it all

1713
01:25:23,173 --> 01:25:24,532
Speaker 3: there and you think, you know what, I do want

1714
01:25:24,572 --> 01:25:26,412
Speaker 3: to hear the Red or Chili Peppers today, or maybe

1715
01:25:26,452 --> 01:25:29,253
Speaker 3: a bit of Charlie Brown's Christmas. It just you don't

1716
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:32,173
Speaker 3: have a million or one hundred million different options to

1717
01:25:32,253 --> 01:25:34,772
Speaker 3: go through, which just makes it a bit more real, right.

1718
01:25:35,853 --> 01:25:36,053
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1719
01:25:36,253 --> 01:25:37,812
Speaker 17: And the thing is I should say to people if

1720
01:25:37,812 --> 01:25:40,893
Speaker 17: they still got their DVD collections, because I've got some

1721
01:25:41,133 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 17: really good movies from the last of twenty six years.

1722
01:25:43,893 --> 01:25:45,333
Speaker 17: Though we all choose one to each chuck it on

1723
01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:48,452
Speaker 17: the floor, right, and then who's going to choose? It's

1724
01:25:48,452 --> 01:25:50,333
Speaker 17: someone who say to the dog, what do you watch it?

1725
01:25:50,372 --> 01:25:50,732
Speaker 21: When it goes?

1726
01:25:51,173 --> 01:25:51,692
Speaker 23: Is what we watch.

1727
01:25:53,652 --> 01:25:54,412
Speaker 19: There's no argument.

1728
01:25:55,213 --> 01:25:58,252
Speaker 2: I love that joy. You're running an old schoolhouse, yeah, household.

1729
01:25:58,853 --> 01:26:02,492
Speaker 2: But I don't know about that about paradox choice, Yeah,

1730
01:26:02,572 --> 01:26:05,133
Speaker 2: because with my record collection, I end up just on

1731
01:26:05,253 --> 01:26:07,652
Speaker 2: my knees in front of the you know, the cabinet,

1732
01:26:08,492 --> 01:26:10,133
Speaker 2: through for ages before I put something off.

1733
01:26:10,253 --> 01:26:12,412
Speaker 3: You do have close to a million options, don't ye Oh.

1734
01:26:12,452 --> 01:26:14,812
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1735
01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,372
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two a year, still enjoying your CDs.

1736
01:26:18,412 --> 01:26:20,612
Speaker 3: They are call again. According to gen Z, so I

1737
01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:21,293
Speaker 3: love to hear from you.

1738
01:26:21,532 --> 01:26:24,732
Speaker 2: My boys twenty and twenty two are buying vinyl record albums.

1739
01:26:25,013 --> 01:26:27,612
Speaker 2: Mister twenty two came back with Michael Jackson's Thriller and

1740
01:26:27,652 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 2: Off the Wall. They already have more vinyl albums than

1741
01:26:30,013 --> 01:26:31,772
Speaker 2: I did at their age. And I'm a genixer. I

1742
01:26:31,973 --> 01:26:35,772
Speaker 2: just bought Thriller and Off the Wall on vinyl. Oh good,

1743
01:26:35,933 --> 01:26:39,132
Speaker 2: off the Wall is some incredible record. Yeah, incredible production

1744
01:26:39,253 --> 01:26:41,013
Speaker 2: on both those albums, So I totally get it. I

1745
01:26:41,532 --> 01:26:43,253
Speaker 2: bought re issues of both those albums just in the

1746
01:26:43,372 --> 01:26:44,372
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks.

1747
01:26:44,372 --> 01:26:46,612
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. Right back, very shortly. It is

1748
01:26:46,772 --> 01:26:48,172
Speaker 3: eighteen past three.

1749
01:26:52,133 --> 01:26:55,532
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1750
01:26:55,572 --> 01:26:57,892
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB is.

1751
01:26:57,933 --> 01:26:58,692
Speaker 3: Twenty past three.

1752
01:26:59,093 --> 01:26:59,732
Speaker 2: Welcome to show.

1753
01:26:59,853 --> 01:27:00,093
Speaker 4: Ryan.

1754
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:01,492
Speaker 2: You're into your physical media?

1755
01:27:02,213 --> 01:27:04,532
Speaker 3: Hey, team, here we go, very good. What do you got?

1756
01:27:05,532 --> 01:27:06,532
Speaker 4: Oh? Everything?

1757
01:27:06,652 --> 01:27:09,812
Speaker 24: Well, specifically, I think for me it's probably a genre thing.

1758
01:27:10,333 --> 01:27:12,852
Speaker 24: Like people who like heavy metal, like metal heads and stuff,

1759
01:27:13,372 --> 01:27:16,932
Speaker 24: very very loyal to their physical media, so like even

1760
01:27:16,973 --> 01:27:18,452
Speaker 24: on like trade me and stuff, if you look at

1761
01:27:18,612 --> 01:27:22,612
Speaker 24: the prices of physical media around CDs, cassettes, records, anything

1762
01:27:22,652 --> 01:27:24,652
Speaker 24: and sort of metal seems to sort of hould its

1763
01:27:24,772 --> 01:27:28,012
Speaker 24: value and go really really well for sales, whereas yeah,

1764
01:27:28,093 --> 01:27:30,133
Speaker 24: like I had got my CDs from when I was

1765
01:27:30,173 --> 01:27:33,133
Speaker 24: still a kid, still buy them, you know, double up

1766
01:27:33,173 --> 01:27:36,213
Speaker 24: on LP tapes, CDs, all that sort of stuff as well.

1767
01:27:36,692 --> 01:27:37,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, love it.

1768
01:27:37,532 --> 01:27:40,492
Speaker 2: Great, I mean, Ryan, you can. You'd have to pull

1769
01:27:41,013 --> 01:27:45,652
Speaker 2: my limited edition red vinyl version of Killer More out

1770
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:46,932
Speaker 2: of my cold dead hand.

1771
01:27:48,853 --> 01:27:49,612
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah.

1772
01:27:49,692 --> 01:27:51,492
Speaker 24: Yeah, and you know what, that would get snapped up

1773
01:27:51,492 --> 01:27:52,893
Speaker 24: straight away as soon as you put it up for

1774
01:27:53,093 --> 01:27:54,532
Speaker 24: you know, you ever wanted to put it up the

1775
01:27:54,532 --> 01:27:55,532
Speaker 24: sailor It'll be gone.

1776
01:27:55,772 --> 01:27:55,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1777
01:27:56,412 --> 01:27:59,333
Speaker 3: Now, interesting you mentioned cassettes because that was I was

1778
01:27:59,372 --> 01:28:02,293
Speaker 3: in the cassette generation and my very first cassette was

1779
01:28:02,492 --> 01:28:05,173
Speaker 3: X Nail on the Ombre by the Offspring and it's

1780
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:08,253
Speaker 3: long gone. And I'm so guarded that's long gone because

1781
01:28:08,492 --> 01:28:11,333
Speaker 3: the you know, the the we pull out that you had,

1782
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:14,012
Speaker 3: it had all these jokes and sort of comedy elements

1783
01:28:14,093 --> 01:28:16,012
Speaker 3: to it in very sort of off the wall humor

1784
01:28:16,053 --> 01:28:18,093
Speaker 3: by the Offspring. But if anyone's got a copy of

1785
01:28:18,133 --> 01:28:20,972
Speaker 3: that on cassette tape. Please let me know. I'll pay

1786
01:28:20,973 --> 01:28:21,532
Speaker 3: good money for it.

1787
01:28:22,532 --> 01:28:22,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1788
01:28:22,772 --> 01:28:25,253
Speaker 24: I was the same, my heaps of cassette as a

1789
01:28:25,372 --> 01:28:27,013
Speaker 24: as a young fellow doing an apprenticeship, left them in

1790
01:28:27,013 --> 01:28:29,212
Speaker 24: the work bands and stuff, and then started buying CDs.

1791
01:28:29,372 --> 01:28:32,412
Speaker 24: And I don't need the cassettes anymore, and now, kicking myself,

1792
01:28:32,853 --> 01:28:34,892
Speaker 24: watch I still have them all but you know, bottom

1793
01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:37,452
Speaker 24: my CD still go through and eventually and buy some

1794
01:28:37,612 --> 01:28:40,893
Speaker 24: if you can. And it's pretty good the more on

1795
01:28:41,333 --> 01:28:42,452
Speaker 24: display on the racks and stuff.

1796
01:28:42,532 --> 01:28:44,932
Speaker 2: All right, so you're still running a CD tree beside

1797
01:28:44,973 --> 01:28:46,052
Speaker 2: the TV in the stereo.

1798
01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:51,093
Speaker 24: Oh, it's more of a war, but yeah, yeah, I

1799
01:28:51,213 --> 01:28:54,053
Speaker 24: got the records, the CDs and the tapes. Yeah, love

1800
01:28:54,213 --> 01:28:55,293
Speaker 24: love the old physical media.

1801
01:28:56,492 --> 01:28:59,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what about what about visually? Are you running

1802
01:28:59,253 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 2: DVDs now?

1803
01:29:01,412 --> 01:29:03,532
Speaker 24: Not so much DVDs? Yeah, sort of keep the TV

1804
01:29:03,612 --> 01:29:05,612
Speaker 24: out of the music room and just got to use

1805
01:29:05,652 --> 01:29:08,012
Speaker 24: it for sitting down and having having a good listen.

1806
01:29:08,372 --> 01:29:09,772
Speaker 2: And you're good on you, Ryan and all the best

1807
01:29:09,812 --> 01:29:10,652
Speaker 2: with your physical media.

1808
01:29:10,732 --> 01:29:14,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a good man. Fantastic If anyone's rocking vhises

1809
01:29:14,333 --> 01:29:15,372
Speaker 3: as well, can you hear from you?

1810
01:29:15,933 --> 01:29:19,333
Speaker 2: Jonathan? CDs and vinyl guys, are they your thing?

1811
01:29:19,492 --> 01:29:20,772
Speaker 25: Ye, yes they are.

1812
01:29:20,853 --> 01:29:21,013
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1813
01:29:21,013 --> 01:29:22,452
Speaker 25: I was playing to Buy the record on the weekends.

1814
01:29:22,452 --> 01:29:26,732
Speaker 25: Actually went very nicely. Unfortunately, my CD is broken. I

1815
01:29:27,133 --> 01:29:29,452
Speaker 25: can't play my CDs, so what I end up doing

1816
01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:31,572
Speaker 25: is just ripping them onto the computer and then putting

1817
01:29:31,572 --> 01:29:33,412
Speaker 25: them on the phone or wherever. But I do have

1818
01:29:33,572 --> 01:29:38,133
Speaker 25: quite an extensive collection of CDs, predominantly compilations. I've got

1819
01:29:38,213 --> 01:29:41,812
Speaker 25: quite a comprehensive seventies and eighties compilations, and that's my

1820
01:29:41,893 --> 01:29:44,333
Speaker 25: favorite CD to buy a compilation, So you're getting a

1821
01:29:44,372 --> 01:29:48,893
Speaker 25: mix of different artists over the one CD. But the

1822
01:29:48,973 --> 01:29:52,333
Speaker 25: thing I like about CDs is the tactile nature of them.

1823
01:29:52,412 --> 01:29:54,093
Speaker 25: You can hold them in your hand, you can look

1824
01:29:54,133 --> 01:29:56,013
Speaker 25: at them, you can hold them to an angle and

1825
01:29:56,133 --> 01:29:57,612
Speaker 25: they kind of go rainbow on you.

1826
01:29:57,652 --> 01:29:58,053
Speaker 4: A little bit.

1827
01:29:58,333 --> 01:29:58,532
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1828
01:30:00,133 --> 01:30:03,013
Speaker 25: But and the thing that the thing I look for

1829
01:30:03,093 --> 01:30:05,133
Speaker 25: most on the CD is the liner notes. That's the

1830
01:30:05,692 --> 01:30:09,492
Speaker 25: little package inside the paper package that can sometimes and

1831
01:30:10,652 --> 01:30:13,213
Speaker 25: you can find yourself reading quite a bit of material

1832
01:30:13,293 --> 01:30:14,133
Speaker 25: on those liner notes.

1833
01:30:14,412 --> 01:30:18,172
Speaker 2: You're good on you, Jonathan, Yeah, I mean lyric sheets

1834
01:30:18,612 --> 01:30:21,692
Speaker 2: something to look at. It's more more more tangible. Yeah,

1835
01:30:21,853 --> 01:30:25,852
Speaker 2: I mean I get it. This Texas is more landfall crap,

1836
01:30:26,053 --> 01:30:30,972
Speaker 2: no CDs, no vinyls, holograms now, yes, please bring back

1837
01:30:31,572 --> 01:30:36,092
Speaker 2: the VH inestegrated adult material. Help this new generation avoid

1838
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:40,173
Speaker 2: the pitfalls of the horrific online world might be something you, man,

1839
01:30:40,293 --> 01:30:42,812
Speaker 2: I mean, good luck with that one. Yeah, yeah, So

1840
01:30:43,732 --> 01:30:46,932
Speaker 2: it does seem like people are still they still love it, yep.

1841
01:30:47,053 --> 01:30:49,333
Speaker 2: And I still love my vinyl. But I'm not willing

1842
01:30:49,372 --> 01:30:50,692
Speaker 2: to go to DVDs again, you.

1843
01:30:50,692 --> 01:30:53,012
Speaker 3: Know, I reckon, No man, I miss DVDs.

1844
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:56,492
Speaker 2: Some people that are massive Blu Ray fans and such.

1845
01:30:56,933 --> 01:30:59,572
Speaker 2: I just think having that the world of movies at

1846
01:30:59,612 --> 01:31:02,092
Speaker 2: your fingertips on your TV is amazing.

1847
01:31:02,372 --> 01:31:04,253
Speaker 3: What about those title screens though, where you get the

1848
01:31:04,293 --> 01:31:06,972
Speaker 3: little behind the scenes, but some pieces you can get

1849
01:31:07,053 --> 01:31:09,692
Speaker 3: the filmmaker talking over top of the movie if you

1850
01:31:09,772 --> 01:31:12,532
Speaker 3: so choose. You know, that's harder to come across these days.

1851
01:31:12,933 --> 01:31:15,533
Speaker 2: What I do mass is cassette tapes and the bup

1852
01:31:15,692 --> 01:31:18,892
Speaker 2: when you've you know, when the two sides don't match, Yeah,

1853
01:31:19,093 --> 01:31:20,692
Speaker 2: so you have to wait, you have to fast forward

1854
01:31:20,732 --> 01:31:21,852
Speaker 2: so you can start the other side.

1855
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:22,053
Speaker 4: You know.

1856
01:31:22,253 --> 01:31:25,013
Speaker 3: Oh, it brings back memories, right, great discussion. Thank you

1857
01:31:25,213 --> 01:31:28,133
Speaker 3: very much to everyone who text and called on that one,

1858
01:31:28,812 --> 01:31:32,293
Speaker 3: but coming up next, stand by because the man, the myth,

1859
01:31:32,333 --> 01:31:35,333
Speaker 3: the legend, Leehart will be joining us. That is coming

1860
01:31:35,412 --> 01:31:37,133
Speaker 3: up next. It is twenty five past three.

1861
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1863
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1864
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Speaker 12: pleaded guilty last month to representative charges. New Zealand's twelve

1866
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Speaker 12: month road Cone Hotline will take its last complaint on Friday,

1867
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Speaker 12: a five week trial in the High Court at Auckland.

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1880
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Speaker 12: Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Well Lee Hart. He needs no introduction, but we'll give

1885
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:21,732
Speaker 3: him one anyway. He is this country's funniest and most

1886
01:33:21,812 --> 01:33:26,612
Speaker 3: talented comedian, broadcaster and businessman. His business career continues to

1887
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Speaker 3: saw with Snacker Changy Chips. He's launched the wildly popular

1888
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Speaker 3: paid to talk show on podcast on Radio Hodaki, and

1889
01:33:33,213 --> 01:33:35,652
Speaker 3: he's picked up the Radio Award for the best Sports

1890
01:33:35,732 --> 01:33:39,092
Speaker 3: podcast for Sports Cafe Ish. It is a great pleasure

1891
01:33:39,213 --> 01:33:41,892
Speaker 3: to welcome in as part of our Christmas catch ups

1892
01:33:42,253 --> 01:33:44,133
Speaker 3: with kick Ass Kiwi's Lee Hart.

1893
01:33:45,253 --> 01:33:48,372
Speaker 9: You know that pleads to see you got the intro

1894
01:33:48,732 --> 01:33:49,293
Speaker 9: emailed you.

1895
01:33:49,612 --> 01:33:51,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you for that. Yeah, well saved us

1896
01:33:51,532 --> 01:33:52,052
Speaker 3: a lot of hassle.

1897
01:33:52,093 --> 01:33:54,492
Speaker 2: Well if we go to that winning the podcast for

1898
01:33:55,692 --> 01:33:57,492
Speaker 2: Best Podcast. There was a tot of surprise for you.

1899
01:33:57,772 --> 01:34:00,133
Speaker 2: You weren't there to win it. You didn't know you'd

1900
01:34:00,173 --> 01:34:03,772
Speaker 2: be nominated, and you went up and received it. It

1901
01:34:03,893 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 2: was all a bit of a surprise for me that one,

1902
01:34:05,532 --> 01:34:05,812
Speaker 2: wasn't it.

1903
01:34:06,333 --> 01:34:07,972
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's why I was just singing out with mate,

1904
01:34:08,732 --> 01:34:12,053
Speaker 9: you know, for radio shows and other podcasts, that kind

1905
01:34:12,053 --> 01:34:13,492
Speaker 9: of thing. I was just sort of just snuck in

1906
01:34:14,133 --> 01:34:14,732
Speaker 9: and I didn't.

1907
01:34:14,532 --> 01:34:15,892
Speaker 4: Even realize we were nominated.

1908
01:34:15,973 --> 01:34:17,612
Speaker 2: Spurs and Rick.

1909
01:34:17,532 --> 01:34:20,213
Speaker 9: Certainly didn't jump me, and so I was there and

1910
01:34:20,612 --> 01:34:22,132
Speaker 9: next thing I know, I had to get on stage

1911
01:34:22,173 --> 01:34:24,572
Speaker 9: and probably make the worst speech I've ever made. But

1912
01:34:24,732 --> 01:34:26,532
Speaker 9: in the end of the day, it was on X behalf,

1913
01:34:26,572 --> 01:34:27,293
Speaker 9: So it didn't really matter.

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01:34:28,173 --> 01:34:29,772
Speaker 3: When you're there for a few free drinks and you're

1915
01:34:29,772 --> 01:34:31,253
Speaker 3: getting the ward lely. I mean, you know that's a

1916
01:34:31,293 --> 01:34:32,093
Speaker 3: nice bonus, isn't it.

1917
01:34:32,732 --> 01:34:37,133
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly exactly. But I've been fair not to I'd

1918
01:34:37,173 --> 01:34:39,492
Speaker 9: actually feel not to win award, to be honest, better

1919
01:34:39,612 --> 01:34:40,812
Speaker 9: just go along, isn't it. You know?

1920
01:34:41,253 --> 01:34:42,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always thought about that. When I'm not known

1921
01:34:42,933 --> 01:34:45,093
Speaker 2: for a war, I'm always sitting there going, oh, I

1922
01:34:45,133 --> 01:34:47,253
Speaker 2: don't win, because then I have to do the speech.

1923
01:34:47,572 --> 01:34:49,372
Speaker 2: How you're a man with that with a million ideas,

1924
01:34:49,452 --> 01:34:52,532
Speaker 2: always got something on the boil, Lee, you know what,

1925
01:34:52,812 --> 01:34:55,012
Speaker 2: what ventures have you fired up this year that people

1926
01:34:55,093 --> 01:34:57,333
Speaker 2: might not know about this year?

1927
01:34:59,492 --> 01:35:00,293
Speaker 4: It's funny, isn't that?

1928
01:35:00,372 --> 01:35:02,732
Speaker 9: Because I'm just kept looking at the calendar and the

1929
01:35:02,812 --> 01:35:06,852
Speaker 9: date and I remember January last year or this time

1930
01:35:06,893 --> 01:35:09,213
Speaker 9: the year before theen God next he is getting massive.

1931
01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:11,333
Speaker 9: I'm going to do all these things I kept talking

1932
01:35:11,333 --> 01:35:14,532
Speaker 9: about on radio shows that I go along and what's

1933
01:35:14,532 --> 01:35:16,093
Speaker 9: happening next to you know, talk about I'm trying to

1934
01:35:16,173 --> 01:35:17,852
Speaker 9: I should go back and see.

1935
01:35:17,692 --> 01:35:18,333
Speaker 4: What I mentioned.

1936
01:35:18,412 --> 01:35:21,293
Speaker 9: But I don't think I've done any of it. I've

1937
01:35:21,452 --> 01:35:22,173
Speaker 9: sort of been busy.

1938
01:35:22,213 --> 01:35:23,213
Speaker 4: I found like I've been busy.

1939
01:35:25,053 --> 01:35:26,892
Speaker 9: I always want to do a TV show every year

1940
01:35:27,053 --> 01:35:30,053
Speaker 9: if I can, sort of a self indulgent kind of thing,

1941
01:35:30,173 --> 01:35:33,492
Speaker 9: a travel show or getting around the place, and I've

1942
01:35:33,572 --> 01:35:36,133
Speaker 9: found I didn't do it this year. So in many ways,

1943
01:35:36,173 --> 01:35:39,492
Speaker 9: I feel like I'm not that I've let myself out.

1944
01:35:39,532 --> 01:35:41,412
Speaker 4: Well, what does it discute anyway? For a start? Who

1945
01:35:41,492 --> 01:35:41,973
Speaker 4: watches them?

1946
01:35:42,412 --> 01:35:44,652
Speaker 9: But I sort of feel that there's a gap there.

1947
01:35:45,053 --> 01:35:46,572
Speaker 9: But I feel like I've been doing a lot of

1948
01:35:46,652 --> 01:35:49,253
Speaker 9: filming and stuff. Anyways, I've been just as busy, but

1949
01:35:49,652 --> 01:35:51,293
Speaker 9: it just feels a little lot more fragmented.

1950
01:35:51,372 --> 01:35:51,812
Speaker 4: Put it that way.

1951
01:35:52,732 --> 01:35:54,612
Speaker 2: I feel like I was on something. Yeah, I feel

1952
01:35:54,612 --> 01:35:56,572
Speaker 2: like I was on something that was kind of TV.

1953
01:35:56,853 --> 01:35:59,532
Speaker 2: Like with you this year they paid to talk podcast.

1954
01:35:59,612 --> 01:36:00,173
Speaker 2: You're filming that?

1955
01:36:01,293 --> 01:36:03,133
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, I mean a lot of the podcast of

1956
01:36:03,213 --> 01:36:05,532
Speaker 9: films nowadays, a lot of the radio shows of films.

1957
01:36:05,612 --> 01:36:08,693
Speaker 9: So does that make a radio show that's filmed aodcast

1958
01:36:08,732 --> 01:36:10,852
Speaker 9: and vice versa. And I mean when I was doing radio,

1959
01:36:10,893 --> 01:36:13,092
Speaker 9: of course, a couple of years back, they started filming

1960
01:36:13,133 --> 01:36:16,532
Speaker 9: stuff then, and I was always not uncomfortable that. I

1961
01:36:16,612 --> 01:36:18,852
Speaker 9: was just thinking, well, at what point does this become

1962
01:36:19,053 --> 01:36:22,093
Speaker 9: a TV show? If you know what I mean? And

1963
01:36:22,213 --> 01:36:24,692
Speaker 9: the reason I say that, in my case, I perform

1964
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:28,253
Speaker 9: or act slightly different. When I'm doing radio. You sit

1965
01:36:28,372 --> 01:36:31,932
Speaker 9: back and my and you it's a little bit more reactive.

1966
01:36:31,973 --> 01:36:35,053
Speaker 9: I suppose with TV I'm a little bit more I

1967
01:36:35,133 --> 01:36:39,173
Speaker 9: would taken trives, but yep, you're sort of sort of

1968
01:36:39,213 --> 01:36:41,412
Speaker 9: more in control of it, I think, and I like

1969
01:36:41,492 --> 01:36:42,933
Speaker 9: to think. I like to know what I'm doing a

1970
01:36:43,253 --> 01:36:46,213
Speaker 9: bit more. And that's what I liked about radio. You

1971
01:36:46,253 --> 01:36:48,452
Speaker 9: could relax. But also, look what I liked about TV

1972
01:36:48,812 --> 01:36:52,972
Speaker 9: was you know, you're making something that you might revert

1973
01:36:53,173 --> 01:36:55,173
Speaker 9: uspose in a few years time and watch again, whereas

1974
01:36:55,213 --> 01:36:58,572
Speaker 9: a radio you know, can be as you guys know

1975
01:36:58,732 --> 01:37:01,612
Speaker 9: it's that was that show last week and you know

1976
01:37:01,853 --> 01:37:03,053
Speaker 9: it's of the day.

1977
01:37:04,213 --> 01:37:06,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's one of one of the worst things

1978
01:37:06,572 --> 01:37:08,572
Speaker 2: that happened to radio was when they started filming. You

1979
01:37:08,652 --> 01:37:11,772
Speaker 2: couldn't make up huge lies about where you were. You

1980
01:37:11,812 --> 01:37:13,612
Speaker 2: couldn't pick you put on.

1981
01:37:13,853 --> 01:37:15,412
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, theater of the Mine.

1982
01:37:15,452 --> 01:37:16,572
Speaker 2: You know, it's a disaster.

1983
01:37:17,973 --> 01:37:21,372
Speaker 9: Well, podcast seems just sort of at the moment slip

1984
01:37:21,492 --> 01:37:23,772
Speaker 9: between the middle of that, a bit of a no

1985
01:37:23,933 --> 01:37:25,013
Speaker 9: man's land turkey for me.

1986
01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:25,293
Speaker 18: You know.

1987
01:37:25,492 --> 01:37:27,572
Speaker 9: So I did the podcast Maybe You Talk this year

1988
01:37:27,572 --> 01:37:29,253
Speaker 9: and I thought, well, we might as well film it.

1989
01:37:29,652 --> 01:37:31,372
Speaker 9: As soon as we started doing that, I'm thinking, well

1990
01:37:31,452 --> 01:37:35,732
Speaker 9: we might as well might as I do it at

1991
01:37:35,772 --> 01:37:38,333
Speaker 9: the Eco Lodge and trying to add I don't know,

1992
01:37:38,732 --> 01:37:40,293
Speaker 9: it's it's a funny one.

1993
01:37:40,732 --> 01:37:41,812
Speaker 4: I'm still going to understand it.

1994
01:37:41,973 --> 01:37:43,932
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it, matey. How are the chips going?

1995
01:37:43,973 --> 01:37:45,372
Speaker 3: You had a big goal of getting a snack of

1996
01:37:45,452 --> 01:37:48,572
Speaker 3: chainey chipped to every KeyWe How did you go on

1997
01:37:48,612 --> 01:37:49,052
Speaker 3: that journey.

1998
01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:52,812
Speaker 9: Yeah, I hope you wouldn't bring that up and put

1999
01:37:52,853 --> 01:37:56,333
Speaker 9: it away. The the what you call it the promotion

2000
01:37:56,652 --> 01:37:59,293
Speaker 9: was to be popular. I think it was a bit

2001
01:37:59,372 --> 01:38:01,412
Speaker 9: bit ambitious trying to get one chip to every key

2002
01:38:01,532 --> 01:38:04,492
Speaker 9: in the country, but I tried. I did about probably

2003
01:38:04,532 --> 01:38:08,213
Speaker 9: less than one hundred, and then and then the community

2004
01:38:08,492 --> 01:38:10,253
Speaker 9: to speak in New Zealand took over and which was

2005
01:38:10,333 --> 01:38:12,213
Speaker 9: kind of the deep an was kind of the plan,

2006
01:38:12,333 --> 01:38:14,852
Speaker 9: I think, and it was it's really good and as

2007
01:38:14,853 --> 01:38:16,973
Speaker 9: I say, you know, thanks asking the chips going, are

2008
01:38:17,013 --> 01:38:21,013
Speaker 9: going really good? We like to think, you know that

2009
01:38:21,492 --> 01:38:23,293
Speaker 9: that was the idea of the campaign that you know,

2010
01:38:23,333 --> 01:38:26,572
Speaker 9: once everybody chines one, you know, I'm buying large, most

2011
01:38:26,612 --> 01:38:27,692
Speaker 9: people say, yeah, I'm.

2012
01:38:27,532 --> 01:38:28,412
Speaker 4: Pretty damn good, you know.

2013
01:38:28,492 --> 01:38:29,572
Speaker 2: I mean that's the good chips.

2014
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:32,492
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's pretty basic chips and ship but you know

2015
01:38:32,612 --> 01:38:34,892
Speaker 9: you can have you know, we like to think they're

2016
01:38:34,893 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 9: pretty good, you know, and it's yeah, why not.

2017
01:38:38,293 --> 01:38:40,652
Speaker 2: They're on the New Zealand flights now, which which I

2018
01:38:40,772 --> 01:38:42,412
Speaker 2: was quite impressed by it because you know, we've been

2019
01:38:42,452 --> 01:38:46,572
Speaker 2: friends for a long time, Lee Hart, and the whole

2020
01:38:46,692 --> 01:38:49,852
Speaker 2: ship thing sort of surprised me because you know, you've

2021
01:38:49,893 --> 01:38:52,572
Speaker 2: done a lot of stuff. And then the chips immediately

2022
01:38:52,612 --> 01:38:54,333
Speaker 2: tried them. They were delicious, and I thought, well, he's

2023
01:38:54,412 --> 01:38:55,612
Speaker 2: just a bit of a tie in. Here's a bit

2024
01:38:55,652 --> 01:38:58,772
Speaker 2: of a novelty thing, Lise, He's doing a little thing.

2025
01:38:59,133 --> 01:39:02,132
Speaker 2: And then it exploded into being one of the biggest

2026
01:39:02,133 --> 01:39:02,852
Speaker 2: things you've ever done.

2027
01:39:03,732 --> 01:39:05,692
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it's a kind of a company of theirs.

2028
01:39:06,013 --> 01:39:09,452
Speaker 9: I mean, it's like, you know, some will stick eventually,

2029
01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:14,532
Speaker 9: you know, I don't all the TV for years and stuff.

2030
01:39:14,572 --> 01:39:16,973
Speaker 9: And the reason I started beer brand first, and that

2031
01:39:17,173 --> 01:39:20,452
Speaker 9: was to try to keep momentum going in between TV

2032
01:39:20,572 --> 01:39:21,933
Speaker 9: shows or funding grounds.

2033
01:39:21,652 --> 01:39:22,253
Speaker 4: You know what that's like.

2034
01:39:22,853 --> 01:39:25,972
Speaker 9: So I thought, you know, let's keep them momentum going

2035
01:39:26,093 --> 01:39:27,692
Speaker 9: so you can have a product out there and you know,

2036
01:39:27,772 --> 01:39:29,772
Speaker 9: doing some work to you, you know, where you're waiting

2037
01:39:30,133 --> 01:39:33,452
Speaker 9: to make another show. And the beers took off, and

2038
01:39:33,532 --> 01:39:36,372
Speaker 9: that sort of had the same attitude, et cetera of

2039
01:39:36,452 --> 01:39:39,013
Speaker 9: a you know, sort of self deprecating kind of thing,

2040
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:41,093
Speaker 9: like a lot of the comedy A supposed we were doing.

2041
01:39:41,652 --> 01:39:44,093
Speaker 9: And then when the beer it was going fine as well,

2042
01:39:44,173 --> 01:39:45,772
Speaker 9: but you're kind of a need a new story the

2043
01:39:45,812 --> 01:39:48,093
Speaker 9: whole time, So I thought, what the hell why don't

2044
01:39:48,133 --> 01:39:51,012
Speaker 9: we get a snack to go along with with the beer.

2045
01:39:51,452 --> 01:39:52,972
Speaker 9: You know, it's an obvious thing to do, and it'll

2046
01:39:52,973 --> 01:39:54,852
Speaker 9: be fun, and I'm not thinking too much of it.

2047
01:39:55,173 --> 01:39:57,972
Speaker 9: It was actually nuts that I was thinking up first.

2048
01:39:59,093 --> 01:40:01,492
Speaker 9: So I approached Griffin's and they said, oh, yep, I'll

2049
01:40:01,532 --> 01:40:03,093
Speaker 9: give a go, And next thing, you know, we're doing

2050
01:40:03,173 --> 01:40:07,652
Speaker 9: chips instead of nuts. And then and there you go,

2051
01:40:07,772 --> 01:40:09,772
Speaker 9: and it's sort of sort of taken off. So it's

2052
01:40:09,853 --> 01:40:12,412
Speaker 9: kind of thirty years in the making, but it seems

2053
01:40:12,532 --> 01:40:13,372
Speaker 9: very sudden, you know.

2054
01:40:13,652 --> 01:40:16,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as a businessman, how do you feel the

2055
01:40:17,013 --> 01:40:18,093
Speaker 2: country is going?

2056
01:40:19,293 --> 01:40:19,452
Speaker 4: Oh?

2057
01:40:19,652 --> 01:40:24,173
Speaker 9: As a businessman, Look, it's funny because I can only

2058
01:40:25,213 --> 01:40:28,652
Speaker 9: I can only get engauged from you know, sort of

2059
01:40:28,732 --> 01:40:31,253
Speaker 9: news stories of seeing people out there and my friends

2060
01:40:31,333 --> 01:40:34,133
Speaker 9: and family and people you know that have got other

2061
01:40:34,692 --> 01:40:36,093
Speaker 9: you know, legitimate.

2062
01:40:35,692 --> 01:40:36,412
Speaker 4: Businesses and stuff.

2063
01:40:36,412 --> 01:40:38,532
Speaker 9: And rather people are really still struggling out there, and

2064
01:40:39,133 --> 01:40:42,173
Speaker 9: some are saying it's getting better and some saying it's

2065
01:40:42,213 --> 01:40:45,093
Speaker 9: taking long to recover. Then then it should have the

2066
01:40:45,173 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 9: problem with the chip.

2067
01:40:46,333 --> 01:40:48,293
Speaker 4: Gag for example, you remember COVID, for.

2068
01:40:48,293 --> 01:40:53,412
Speaker 9: Example, when everybody was really struggling, ironically, chips was selling.

2069
01:40:53,973 --> 01:40:57,173
Speaker 9: You know, I was selling great in markets because that's

2070
01:40:57,213 --> 01:40:59,812
Speaker 9: all people were doing for eating chips and things. And

2071
01:40:59,933 --> 01:41:03,412
Speaker 9: even in even in sort of a type of times,

2072
01:41:03,452 --> 01:41:06,412
Speaker 9: you know, you know certain foods and stuff rightly wrong,

2073
01:41:06,492 --> 01:41:09,333
Speaker 9: they still still get eating. Understand certainly not an economy

2074
01:41:09,372 --> 01:41:11,572
Speaker 9: proof because you know, there's riding up and down with

2075
01:41:11,652 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 9: the economy now, but I like to think it's without

2076
01:41:17,053 --> 01:41:19,253
Speaker 9: I like to think it's getting better, but it's slower

2077
01:41:19,293 --> 01:41:24,372
Speaker 9: than I thought. But you know, I can't complain that

2078
01:41:24,452 --> 01:41:26,173
Speaker 9: on that front. I do look out there. I do

2079
01:41:26,293 --> 01:41:29,053
Speaker 9: worry about some you know, all the restaurants, cafes, all

2080
01:41:29,053 --> 01:41:30,932
Speaker 9: that sort of stuff closing down and stuff, and hope

2081
01:41:31,053 --> 01:41:33,652
Speaker 9: there is you know, at the bottom at least, and

2082
01:41:33,732 --> 01:41:35,093
Speaker 9: we're starting to come out of it. So you know,

2083
01:41:35,133 --> 01:41:36,253
Speaker 9: I'm positive about next year.

2084
01:41:36,812 --> 01:41:38,893
Speaker 3: It feels like there is some optimism afoot, which is

2085
01:41:38,893 --> 01:41:39,253
Speaker 3: a good thing.

2086
01:41:39,372 --> 01:41:39,492
Speaker 13: Lee.

2087
01:41:39,612 --> 01:41:41,933
Speaker 3: This isn't a similar vein, But what is exciting you

2088
01:41:42,532 --> 01:41:44,892
Speaker 3: as we in twenty twenty five and going into next year?

2089
01:41:45,013 --> 01:41:46,972
Speaker 9: I could probably tell you sexually, but it doesn't seem

2090
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,212
Speaker 9: the time or place to be doing that, So instead

2091
01:41:49,253 --> 01:41:51,772
Speaker 9: I would sort of talk about next year. I'm hoping

2092
01:41:51,812 --> 01:41:54,172
Speaker 9: to get back into some sort of TV I suppose,

2093
01:41:55,133 --> 01:41:57,412
Speaker 9: you know, seeing I didn't do anything this year. The

2094
01:41:57,492 --> 01:41:59,053
Speaker 9: other thing that's kind of excited me is the fact

2095
01:41:59,053 --> 01:42:01,133
Speaker 9: that my daughter, my owners, is off to university the

2096
01:42:01,173 --> 01:42:04,772
Speaker 9: next year. So my excitement is kind of you know,

2097
01:42:05,133 --> 01:42:07,412
Speaker 9: through her and away. My sons already down there, so

2098
01:42:07,452 --> 01:42:09,692
Speaker 9: I'll be here, I'm a say, really around the house

2099
01:42:09,732 --> 01:42:12,652
Speaker 9: like I'm sort of being an empty maester, so I'll

2100
01:42:12,692 --> 01:42:15,812
Speaker 9: have no excuses not to get on and then maybe

2101
01:42:15,893 --> 01:42:19,293
Speaker 9: do something for get met. I'm that's really excited about

2102
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:21,412
Speaker 9: her because you know she's going down and you know

2103
01:42:21,492 --> 01:42:23,333
Speaker 9: you think back and you're going to still the old course.

2104
01:42:23,372 --> 01:42:26,013
Speaker 9: But that's so excited that the whole idea of them.

2105
01:42:26,013 --> 01:42:27,692
Speaker 9: So I'll be able to go down the ends with

2106
01:42:27,772 --> 01:42:31,852
Speaker 9: her and him, and that's exciting me. So it's going

2107
01:42:31,933 --> 01:42:33,652
Speaker 9: to be a big year either way, regardless of what

2108
01:42:33,732 --> 01:42:35,013
Speaker 9: I do. It's going to be a big year, you know,

2109
01:42:35,133 --> 01:42:37,893
Speaker 9: for my family in that sense. So that's exciting me.

2110
01:42:38,133 --> 01:42:40,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one when your kids go off

2111
01:42:40,173 --> 01:42:42,053
Speaker 2: to university. And if you could visit my son down

2112
01:42:42,093 --> 01:42:43,932
Speaker 2: in Totago as well well you're down there, that would

2113
01:42:43,933 --> 01:42:47,732
Speaker 2: be great for me as well. But the annoying thing

2114
01:42:47,933 --> 01:42:50,013
Speaker 2: about that is that they don't know how great the

2115
01:42:50,093 --> 01:42:53,053
Speaker 2: situation is. They're unt necessarily And I was just saying

2116
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:55,452
Speaker 2: to my son yesterday, Oh my god, I was just

2117
01:42:55,732 --> 01:42:58,692
Speaker 2: talking up his life to him so much this holiday.

2118
01:42:58,732 --> 01:43:01,412
Speaker 2: You're on between years of university. You know, you're off

2119
01:43:01,452 --> 01:43:04,133
Speaker 2: to a targe next year. You've got this, you've got that,

2120
01:43:04,333 --> 01:43:07,652
Speaker 2: you're young, you've got the whole. And he's like, oh yeah,

2121
01:43:07,772 --> 01:43:08,213
Speaker 2: broke there.

2122
01:43:09,532 --> 01:43:11,973
Speaker 9: Yeah, And they don't know. I mean, but we went.

2123
01:43:12,053 --> 01:43:15,532
Speaker 9: The old kids the same, you know, you don't know

2124
01:43:15,572 --> 01:43:18,652
Speaker 9: how like you are, you know in that sense. I

2125
01:43:18,732 --> 01:43:20,893
Speaker 9: mean they've got these festivals he thing nowadays to go

2126
01:43:21,053 --> 01:43:22,692
Speaker 9: to and all this sort of stuff, and it's all

2127
01:43:22,812 --> 01:43:25,932
Speaker 9: built in their whole time after's built around that kind

2128
01:43:25,973 --> 01:43:28,012
Speaker 9: of stuff. You know, Yeah, really have that luxturally?

2129
01:43:28,213 --> 01:43:31,732
Speaker 3: Oh is your life bugger? All responsibility. You can drink

2130
01:43:31,772 --> 01:43:33,732
Speaker 3: as much as you want, you can do pretty much

2131
01:43:33,772 --> 01:43:34,213
Speaker 3: what you want.

2132
01:43:34,412 --> 01:43:37,452
Speaker 2: You stay reasonably thin. Yeah, whatever you eat, whatever you do.

2133
01:43:38,013 --> 01:43:40,892
Speaker 2: It's amazing that you just you just got swirling drama

2134
01:43:40,933 --> 01:43:42,973
Speaker 2: around you for some for some reason.

2135
01:43:43,253 --> 01:43:44,933
Speaker 3: We're loving this chat with you, mate. If you just

2136
01:43:45,013 --> 01:43:46,812
Speaker 3: hold there for a couple of minutes, we're going to

2137
01:43:46,853 --> 01:43:50,452
Speaker 3: come back with some punishing Christmas questions and then let

2138
01:43:50,532 --> 01:43:52,213
Speaker 3: you go. So you just told their mate we'll come

2139
01:43:52,293 --> 01:43:54,892
Speaker 3: back very shortly. We are talking to Lee Heart as

2140
01:43:54,973 --> 01:43:57,652
Speaker 3: part of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwi's.

2141
01:43:57,812 --> 01:43:59,932
Speaker 3: You're listening to news talks. They're be back very shortly.

2142
01:44:00,532 --> 01:44:03,933
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2143
01:44:04,253 --> 01:44:05,213
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2144
01:44:05,452 --> 01:44:09,852
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk News Talks.

2145
01:44:09,893 --> 01:44:12,293
Speaker 3: It'd be We are joined by the one and only

2146
01:44:12,492 --> 01:44:14,732
Speaker 3: Lee Hard as part of our Christmas catch ups with

2147
01:44:14,893 --> 01:44:17,692
Speaker 3: kick Ass Kiwi's. Lee, thanks very much for joining us.

2148
01:44:18,013 --> 01:44:19,772
Speaker 2: When I came up with the name Christmas Ketchups with

2149
01:44:20,093 --> 01:44:21,893
Speaker 2: kick Ass Kiwis, I felt quite proud about it, But

2150
01:44:21,973 --> 01:44:23,612
Speaker 2: every time you say it now I feel a little

2151
01:44:23,652 --> 01:44:27,412
Speaker 2: bit humiliated. What does the Christmas menu look like for you?

2152
01:44:27,572 --> 01:44:30,932
Speaker 4: Lee? Are the menu? That's a good point.

2153
01:44:31,133 --> 01:44:32,293
Speaker 9: It's going to be quite a quiet one.

2154
01:44:32,293 --> 01:44:32,572
Speaker 4: That's here.

2155
01:44:32,572 --> 01:44:34,253
Speaker 9: I'm hit to both church, so I think it's just

2156
01:44:34,372 --> 01:44:36,612
Speaker 9: going to be me and my mum and dad. My

2157
01:44:36,732 --> 01:44:38,772
Speaker 9: brother will stay up here and it's just one of

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01:44:38,772 --> 01:44:41,452
Speaker 9: those years where it's that way, that way. I think

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01:44:41,452 --> 01:44:43,932
Speaker 9: we've decided to go. Let's do this time We will

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01:44:43,973 --> 01:44:46,412
Speaker 9: definitely have white bait in the morning on Christmas Day,

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01:44:47,772 --> 01:44:50,772
Speaker 9: you know, late morning kind of thing. And I can

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01:44:50,812 --> 01:44:54,253
Speaker 9: actually tell you it's something menu because my Mum asked me, what.

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01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:54,772
Speaker 4: Would you do?

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01:44:54,853 --> 01:44:56,812
Speaker 9: I think we're going to do a lamb roast. Nice

2165
01:44:56,973 --> 01:44:59,652
Speaker 9: but rather than having a lamb and a ham and

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01:44:59,772 --> 01:45:01,253
Speaker 9: a turkey, we think we're just going to go with

2167
01:45:01,333 --> 01:45:03,932
Speaker 9: the lamb. Then I heard Dad and yelling their background

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01:45:04,013 --> 01:45:09,812
Speaker 9: or maybe just a barbecue. Thank you change the last minute.

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01:45:10,532 --> 01:45:12,532
Speaker 9: But it's going to be pretty low key, you know,

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01:45:12,652 --> 01:45:14,572
Speaker 9: if week and stuff, that's what up and as far

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01:45:14,652 --> 01:45:18,012
Speaker 9: as you know, I'll be surprised. It should be pretty basic,

2172
01:45:18,173 --> 01:45:19,252
Speaker 9: pretty basic stuff.

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01:45:19,372 --> 01:45:21,652
Speaker 3: That sounds like a great time. The beast and worst

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01:45:21,692 --> 01:45:23,532
Speaker 3: things about the feast of seasonally.

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Speaker 9: Well, worst things are probably doing these sort of puff

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01:45:28,612 --> 01:45:34,053
Speaker 9: pieces on newspapers and radio and that about Christmas. No,

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01:45:34,213 --> 01:45:36,852
Speaker 9: actually I like Christmas. I like the whole sort of thing.

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01:45:36,933 --> 01:45:39,852
Speaker 9: And you know, and I lose track of days and

2179
01:45:39,933 --> 01:45:42,692
Speaker 9: twenty seven to that before Christmas. That's why it's at Christmas,

2180
01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:43,093
Speaker 9: you know.

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01:45:43,893 --> 01:45:44,732
Speaker 4: I like Christmas.

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01:45:44,933 --> 01:45:48,213
Speaker 9: I'm thinking back to the whole commercialism side of it,

2183
01:45:48,333 --> 01:45:50,652
Speaker 9: as in the last few years has started to annoy

2184
01:45:50,772 --> 01:45:53,893
Speaker 9: me a little bit. You know, you get washing, you know,

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01:45:53,973 --> 01:45:56,812
Speaker 9: going shopping walls, and I don't actually shop for anyone

2186
01:45:56,853 --> 01:45:59,652
Speaker 9: anymore now when i'm sort of somehow that sounds word

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01:45:59,732 --> 01:46:01,692
Speaker 9: down and no one seems to shop for me, So

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01:46:04,133 --> 01:46:06,652
Speaker 9: there's not so much of that going on. My kids, obviously,

2189
01:46:06,652 --> 01:46:08,652
Speaker 9: I'll get them something, but I think that'll be just

2190
01:46:08,692 --> 01:46:12,212
Speaker 9: the personal cash I think before they went went away. Anyway,

2191
01:46:12,893 --> 01:46:15,852
Speaker 9: we'll see about that. But the worst things I remember

2192
01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:18,012
Speaker 9: some of the worst gifts I got. So for example,

2193
01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:21,012
Speaker 9: when I was a kid, there's different times, of course,

2194
01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:24,612
Speaker 9: you know. I remember what I wanted was a brand

2195
01:46:24,612 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 9: new Tensby bike. You know, like a lot of kids

2196
01:46:27,293 --> 01:46:29,133
Speaker 9: when they were like eight or nine or ten were

2197
01:46:29,412 --> 01:46:32,253
Speaker 9: trying to get kind of thing. And this year I

2198
01:46:32,412 --> 01:46:34,492
Speaker 9: just got the combination lot for one, you know, you know,

2199
01:46:34,572 --> 01:46:37,253
Speaker 9: the security, the lock, and that was that was under

2200
01:46:37,253 --> 01:46:39,253
Speaker 9: the tree and I thought, wow, that's amazing. I mean,

2201
01:46:39,293 --> 01:46:42,293
Speaker 9: the bike must be outside, and it wasn't.

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01:46:42,293 --> 01:46:42,772
Speaker 4: It was just that.

2203
01:46:43,452 --> 01:46:46,572
Speaker 9: And all the other kids got a bike and stuff

2204
01:46:46,652 --> 01:46:48,892
Speaker 9: now were hanging out of the I'll be hanging down

2205
01:46:48,933 --> 01:46:51,812
Speaker 9: to the bike path with their bikes and I just

2206
01:46:51,893 --> 01:46:55,213
Speaker 9: be standing there with the combination chain. You know, I'm

2207
01:46:55,293 --> 01:46:59,532
Speaker 9: locking it, locking it, and I'm knocking it again. I

2208
01:46:59,572 --> 01:47:02,253
Speaker 9: remember saying to Dad, you know, that's not fair, Dad,

2209
01:47:03,893 --> 01:47:11,412
Speaker 9: and he goes, Life's not fair. So that was that

2210
01:47:11,853 --> 01:47:13,812
Speaker 9: was That gift was a lesson more.

2211
01:47:13,732 --> 01:47:14,253
Speaker 4: Than when.

2212
01:47:15,612 --> 01:47:17,932
Speaker 2: Love kids love a gift, that's a lesson.

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01:47:19,812 --> 01:47:22,652
Speaker 9: I don't know. I should maybe retract. My parents will

2214
01:47:22,652 --> 01:47:26,213
Speaker 9: definitely be listening to this, so no, it could be.

2215
01:47:26,572 --> 01:47:27,173
Speaker 4: It gets through it.

2216
01:47:29,253 --> 01:47:31,412
Speaker 2: It's hard to retract. It's out there, it's live now.

2217
01:47:31,973 --> 01:47:34,133
Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that about commercialism because I watched

2218
01:47:34,213 --> 01:47:37,253
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown Christmas from nineteen sixty five, You've watched on

2219
01:47:37,253 --> 01:47:40,732
Speaker 2: Apple TV, and I've always loved the music to it.

2220
01:47:41,333 --> 01:47:43,572
Speaker 2: I lostened that every year, the jazzy kind of Christmas stuff,

2221
01:47:43,812 --> 01:47:45,692
Speaker 2: and the whole theme of that in ninety sixty five

2222
01:47:45,893 --> 01:47:48,852
Speaker 2: was the rant commercialization of Christmas. It's the whole theme

2223
01:47:48,893 --> 01:47:51,133
Speaker 2: of it. And I was thinking, you don't know what's coming.

2224
01:47:52,213 --> 01:47:54,852
Speaker 2: You wait, Charles Seltz, you do not know what's coming.

2225
01:47:54,893 --> 01:47:58,213
Speaker 2: If you don't, Christmas is commercials nineteen sixty five, you just.

2226
01:47:58,253 --> 01:48:01,973
Speaker 9: Want boxing days sales. That that is almost criminal, isn't it.

2227
01:48:02,412 --> 01:48:02,612
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2228
01:48:03,333 --> 01:48:06,253
Speaker 2: Well, as a concept, yeah, yeah, well, it's just like

2229
01:48:06,532 --> 01:48:08,972
Speaker 2: we're going to play you for your caring about Christmas

2230
01:48:09,053 --> 01:48:10,892
Speaker 2: and then and then you know, if you don't care,

2231
01:48:10,973 --> 01:48:13,892
Speaker 2: then we'll give you a deal of the day after Well, again,

2232
01:48:14,412 --> 01:48:16,572
Speaker 2: we'll play you will clearly play your emotions.

2233
01:48:18,013 --> 01:48:19,652
Speaker 9: I mean, it's all right if you're trying to get

2234
01:48:19,692 --> 01:48:22,492
Speaker 9: in like a TV for yourself or something or you

2235
01:48:22,933 --> 01:48:24,652
Speaker 9: you know, but if your kids are waiting for Christmas

2236
01:48:24,732 --> 01:48:26,412
Speaker 9: present and you say, look, I just wait a couple

2237
01:48:26,452 --> 01:48:30,933
Speaker 9: of days to Christmas before you get the present, you know,

2238
01:48:32,293 --> 01:48:35,053
Speaker 9: it just seems that sort of having a double dipping. Really,

2239
01:48:35,093 --> 01:48:38,492
Speaker 9: they seed to be with the you know, the Boxing

2240
01:48:38,572 --> 01:48:41,772
Speaker 9: Day sales and the whole and the whole Christmas free

2241
01:48:41,893 --> 01:48:42,732
Speaker 9: Christmas prices.

2242
01:48:42,772 --> 01:48:44,933
Speaker 2: You know, the whole Christmas thing is let up with

2243
01:48:45,053 --> 01:48:48,213
Speaker 2: the Black Friday sales as well. Now, Lee, we're pushing

2244
01:48:48,253 --> 01:48:50,933
Speaker 2: the gratitude barrow hard on the show this year. So

2245
01:48:51,333 --> 01:48:53,532
Speaker 2: this is a this is a cliched question for you.

2246
01:48:53,853 --> 01:48:54,852
Speaker 2: What are you grateful for?

2247
01:48:55,053 --> 01:48:55,293
Speaker 4: Mate?

2248
01:48:58,812 --> 01:49:01,253
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it might be a cliche question, So I'll

2249
01:49:01,293 --> 01:49:02,333
Speaker 9: give a cliche.

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01:49:02,093 --> 01:49:03,412
Speaker 2: Answer and appreciate.

2251
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:06,852
Speaker 4: And you can quote me on this.

2252
01:49:07,452 --> 01:49:09,372
Speaker 9: It's got to be family. He really has been in

2253
01:49:09,452 --> 01:49:13,133
Speaker 9: the last couple years, so it's a real interesting time

2254
01:49:13,293 --> 01:49:17,333
Speaker 9: with them, you know, moving on are there and you know,

2255
01:49:17,532 --> 01:49:19,732
Speaker 9: as we know, there's always some people in your life,

2256
01:49:21,053 --> 01:49:23,732
Speaker 9: even this week that you know that have lost lost people,

2257
01:49:23,973 --> 01:49:25,293
Speaker 9: you know, literally lost people.

2258
01:49:26,732 --> 01:49:26,893
Speaker 4: You know.

2259
01:49:27,053 --> 01:49:29,732
Speaker 9: That puts everything in perspective, and it's just such a

2260
01:49:30,093 --> 01:49:33,853
Speaker 9: you know, it really does. Also if you know on Thursday,

2261
01:49:34,213 --> 01:49:37,213
Speaker 9: you know, and a relatively young person, you know, so

2262
01:49:37,612 --> 01:49:40,652
Speaker 9: what and you know, we've lost a family member not

2263
01:49:40,893 --> 01:49:43,973
Speaker 9: so long ago, you know, and that's going to make

2264
01:49:44,013 --> 01:49:47,612
Speaker 9: this Christmas very very strange and hard and different for

2265
01:49:47,732 --> 01:49:50,572
Speaker 9: a lot so many people this country, you know, just

2266
01:49:50,732 --> 01:49:52,852
Speaker 9: so so many people. It would be a weird, weird

2267
01:49:52,933 --> 01:49:56,253
Speaker 9: Christmas as it is every year. So while I can

2268
01:49:56,333 --> 01:49:58,893
Speaker 9: be I'm just so thankful for what I got to

2269
01:49:58,973 --> 01:49:59,932
Speaker 9: be honest with my family.

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01:50:00,173 --> 01:50:03,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautifully, Sidley. And finally, Mate, what is your favorite

2271
01:50:03,853 --> 01:50:04,372
Speaker 3: Christmas song?

2272
01:50:04,853 --> 01:50:07,692
Speaker 9: Yep, I've got a couple. I'm an old rocket roller

2273
01:50:07,772 --> 01:50:10,772
Speaker 9: from from way back, because Matt knows like literally rock

2274
01:50:10,812 --> 01:50:13,093
Speaker 9: and roll, like Chuck Berry kind of stuff, so it's

2275
01:50:13,173 --> 01:50:15,772
Speaker 9: pretty fan classic. You know, Run Run Rudolph or Run

2276
01:50:15,853 --> 01:50:18,052
Speaker 9: Rudolf Run. I think it's called a lot of people

2277
01:50:18,093 --> 01:50:20,093
Speaker 9: have covered it. The food Fighters did a good cover

2278
01:50:20,173 --> 01:50:23,053
Speaker 9: of it, I think, and I hate to say it.

2279
01:50:23,253 --> 01:50:24,852
Speaker 9: You know, they're going back down the piece hair of

2280
01:50:24,893 --> 01:50:29,293
Speaker 9: a cheese angle, you know, the old band, you know,

2281
01:50:29,372 --> 01:50:32,412
Speaker 9: do they know it's Christmas band aid? I mean that

2282
01:50:33,013 --> 01:50:36,133
Speaker 9: probably because of the erar. You know, that was my era.

2283
01:50:36,293 --> 01:50:38,053
Speaker 9: I was fourteen or something and that came out, So

2284
01:50:38,532 --> 01:50:42,452
Speaker 9: it's nostalgic. It's nostalgic as well as a Christmas song

2285
01:50:42,492 --> 01:50:44,052
Speaker 9: for me, you know. I mean it's got the double meaning.

2286
01:50:44,412 --> 01:50:47,692
Speaker 9: I just remember being bloody fourteen fifteen with the whole

2287
01:50:47,732 --> 01:50:50,133
Speaker 9: overhead of me, and that still sounds you know, it

2288
01:50:50,213 --> 01:50:52,173
Speaker 9: sounds fresh. So it's the sort of thing you know.

2289
01:50:53,213 --> 01:50:55,892
Speaker 9: I'll play that for sure, and a bit of rock

2290
01:50:55,893 --> 01:50:57,372
Speaker 9: and roll Run Rudolph Run.

2291
01:50:57,612 --> 01:51:00,412
Speaker 3: Fantastic. We're going to play that for you right now. Lee,

2292
01:51:00,652 --> 01:51:03,492
Speaker 3: thank you very much, and have a fantastic Christmas in

2293
01:51:03,612 --> 01:51:05,213
Speaker 3: summer as well, and we'll catch up next year.

2294
01:51:05,612 --> 01:51:05,812
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2295
01:51:05,893 --> 01:51:08,173
Speaker 9: Likewise, you guys, have a good rue. Everyone stay safe

2296
01:51:08,652 --> 01:51:14,333
Speaker 9: from between the lanes, from between the flares, between the range.

2297
01:51:15,293 --> 01:51:19,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, great advice. Ye're fantastic, that is, of course, leeha.

2298
01:51:19,812 --> 01:51:22,212
Speaker 3: One of our Christmas catch ups with kick Ass Kiwis

2299
01:51:22,412 --> 01:51:31,692
Speaker 3: you're listening to news talks e b Begveryson, not of

2300
01:51:31,772 --> 01:51:32,813
Speaker 3: other rings.

2301
01:51:32,973 --> 01:51:39,452
Speaker 23: You know you're the mastermind. Run run Rudolf, run off

2302
01:51:39,572 --> 01:51:44,972
Speaker 23: and your bar behind, run run rude off.

2303
01:51:45,333 --> 01:51:46,932
Speaker 26: That gotta make it to town.

2304
01:51:49,973 --> 01:51:53,133
Speaker 27: Got to making Harry Clement he can take the freeway down,

2305
01:51:56,053 --> 01:51:58,852
Speaker 27: run run the rude o. Come, I'm really knocking Merry

2306
01:51:58,933 --> 01:52:04,053
Speaker 27: go round. They're kind of to a boy town. What

2307
01:52:04,253 --> 01:52:09,372
Speaker 27: have you been long in, Carl? All I want for

2308
01:52:09,492 --> 01:52:15,213
Speaker 27: Christmas is a rock and roll record guitar and then away,

2309
01:52:15,333 --> 01:52:21,372
Speaker 27: where to Rudolph? Where's the mac a shooting star? Run

2310
01:52:21,572 --> 01:52:24,853
Speaker 27: run Rudolf, Sanah, letn't make it in town.

2311
01:52:27,572 --> 01:52:30,852
Speaker 23: Santra, making Harry telling he can take the freeway down.

2312
01:52:33,853 --> 01:52:35,052
Speaker 23: Run run rudeo.

2313
01:52:35,572 --> 01:53:01,293
Speaker 26: Really, Michael, Merry go round, run run rude Santa's how

2314
01:53:01,412 --> 01:53:02,773
Speaker 26: to make it to count.

2315
01:53:05,372 --> 01:53:08,612
Speaker 23: Santra, making Harry telling he can take the freeway.

2316
01:53:08,492 --> 01:53:15,012
Speaker 27: Down, Run run Rudolf. I'm really like a Mary go round.

2317
01:53:17,692 --> 01:53:19,492
Speaker 27: Get then at a girl town.

2318
01:53:19,652 --> 01:53:25,052
Speaker 23: What the please? You want to get a little baby

2319
01:53:25,173 --> 01:53:27,852
Speaker 23: downd that can criest me drink and wet.

2320
01:53:30,093 --> 01:53:32,852
Speaker 27: And then a way way to Rudolph with and like

2321
01:53:32,933 --> 01:53:39,253
Speaker 27: a favorite jet, run round the rude off. Sana gotta

2322
01:53:39,372 --> 01:53:45,213
Speaker 27: make it to town Santra, making Harry coming. He can

2323
01:53:45,293 --> 01:53:51,492
Speaker 27: take the freeway down, Run run, rude off. I'm really

2324
01:53:51,612 --> 01:53:53,133
Speaker 27: micking Mary go around.

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01:54:01,053 --> 01:54:04,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2326
01:54:04,772 --> 01:54:05,732
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:54:05,973 --> 01:54:09,253
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, they'd.

2328
01:54:09,133 --> 01:54:13,452
Speaker 3: Be news talks. There'd be five to four are great

2329
01:54:13,532 --> 01:54:14,372
Speaker 3: manly hearts.

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01:54:14,772 --> 01:54:16,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great chat. Thanks so much for

2331
01:54:16,812 --> 01:54:19,213
Speaker 2: listening everyone. As always, we've loved our chats today. The

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01:54:19,253 --> 01:54:22,492
Speaker 2: podcast will be up in about an hour, including a

2333
01:54:22,532 --> 01:54:26,013
Speaker 2: special pot isolating our call with a fantastic lady called

2334
01:54:26,013 --> 01:54:29,772
Speaker 2: Dominique talking about her surrogacy story. That was That was

2335
01:54:29,812 --> 01:54:30,572
Speaker 2: a great chat.

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01:54:30,692 --> 01:54:30,892
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:54:31,253 --> 01:54:34,213
Speaker 2: Up next the tall, handsome and smart triple threat known

2338
01:54:34,253 --> 01:54:37,333
Speaker 2: as Ryan Bridge. But right now, Tyler, why would I

2339
01:54:37,493 --> 01:54:38,453
Speaker 2: be playing this song?

2340
01:54:38,853 --> 01:54:41,053
Speaker 3: What a banger from Pink Floyd and other Brick in

2341
01:54:41,133 --> 01:54:43,972
Speaker 3: the wall. It's because we had quite a good chats

2342
01:54:44,173 --> 01:54:47,573
Speaker 3: about violence in schools. Whether it is worse now than

2343
01:54:47,653 --> 01:54:49,253
Speaker 3: it was when we were in school. It was a

2344
01:54:49,293 --> 01:54:50,733
Speaker 3: great chat and a great great song.

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01:54:50,893 --> 01:54:52,293
Speaker 2: That was an easy one, was it? It was an

2346
01:54:52,293 --> 01:54:56,133
Speaker 2: easy one made vaguely fit, doesn't it? Did you know

2347
01:54:56,493 --> 01:55:00,653
Speaker 2: The Wall is the highest selling double album of all time, right,

2348
01:55:01,053 --> 01:55:03,613
Speaker 2: but only the second highest selling Pink Floyd album of

2349
01:55:03,653 --> 01:55:07,053
Speaker 2: all time. Absolute banger, all right you seeing Busy said,

2350
01:55:07,053 --> 01:55:10,293
Speaker 2: we'll let you go mere Christmas and it all tomorrow.

2351
01:55:10,533 --> 01:55:12,932
Speaker 2: I give him a taste of Kiwi from Matt and Tyler.

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01:55:12,973 --> 01:55:13,413
Speaker 9: I love you.

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01:56:08,653 --> 01:56:11,533
Speaker 1: For more from Newstalk set B listen live on air

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01:56:11,772 --> 01:56:14,413
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