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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zianders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number ninety nine, one hundred shows tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about a little bit more tomorrow. But you know,

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Speaker 2: when I started doing the show, I thought I'll just

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Speaker 2: get through one episode. Nearly got through one hundred, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and loving it, and particularly today's show was super interesting.

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Speaker 2: The revelations we got into black market topacco in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand I found riveting.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: The chat about purpose that we pivoted to at the

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Speaker 2: end of the show lovely. I found it uplifting, but

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Speaker 2: also a massively jarring pivot from just people that are

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Speaker 2: massively addicted to SIGs and people selling buying dodgy siggs

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Speaker 2: to just you know, becoming a better person and having

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Speaker 2: something to follow in life.

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Speaker 4: It was not a nice way to finish, but you'll

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Speaker 4: know it when you hear him. His name is John

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Speaker 4: and he tells all about the black market see.

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Speaker 4: Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Tuesday seven,

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Speaker 4: pass one. Hope you're feeling good on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Get a mate, get a Tyler, gide everyone. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it's April, the first April full statues. Anyone do April

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Speaker 2: Fool's Day? Japes anymore?

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Speaker 3: Japes?

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Speaker 2: Japes is a great way people have been saying to

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Speaker 2: me that jape doesn't exist. I've been using the word japes,

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Speaker 2: and I get texts on nine two, nine and two

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Speaker 2: saying that that's no words. Jape is clearly a word.

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Speaker 2: Jape means practical joke.

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Speaker 4: Chrigan, is this just a Heath Family special? That this

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Speaker 2: I've never heard jape. You've never heard jake. You've japed me?

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Speaker 4: No, haven't you heard like your josh in that means

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Speaker 4: like you're joking, jake head jape.

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Speaker 2: A jolly jape? Yea, Well, no one played any jolly

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Speaker 2: japes on me today. It's disappointing, but it's not after

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Speaker 2: It's after twelve now, so it's too late for jolly japes.

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Speaker 4: And if you've heard about jape before nine two nine two,

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Speaker 4: he needs some support here.

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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent sure jape is a word, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, We're gonna findsentary and find it jape jape Okay.

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Speaker 2: According to Wikipedia, jape is a cinnamon for a practical joke.

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Speaker 2: I'm right, Okay, Well we got I thought I was

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Speaker 2: going crazy, like I had walked into a simulation and

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Speaker 2: or gone into another dimension and one will is gone missay. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like that movie Yesterday where all the Beatles words,

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Speaker 2: felt like I'd done that. No, jape is a word.

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Speaker 4: But on to the rest of the show. After three o'clock,

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Speaker 4: we want to have a chat about purpose on the

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Speaker 4: back of an interview that Mike did this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. He was talking to explosive Joseph Parker

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Speaker 2: and it was a fantastic interview actually, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Mike Costkin using all twenty five years of his broadcasting

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Speaker 2: really good place and he talked about purpose and how

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Speaker 2: he has a purpose in his life and as a result,

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Speaker 2: everything else follows from that. And it got me thinking

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Speaker 2: about purpose because more and more we're hearing if you've

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Speaker 2: got a purpose than everything else. If you've got a

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Speaker 2: hy the house falls into place, as they say, But

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Speaker 2: what is a purpose? What are purposes? And what is

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Speaker 2: your purpose in life? We just want to talk about

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Speaker 2: it and how do you find your purpose? If if

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Speaker 2: there's a young person coming through, how do you find

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Speaker 2: your purpose? Some of us hit forty and we still

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Speaker 2: haven't found our purpose in life. Until you do. Things

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Speaker 2: are difficult.

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Speaker 4: Yep, one hundred percent. That's going to be a great shed.

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Speaker 4: After three o'clock, After two o'clock has tobacco tax hit

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Speaker 4: its limit? Sorry, now you continue, Tyler, Well, I mean

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Speaker 4: we all know that the tax on tobacco will go

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Speaker 4: up again. It is the April April the first where

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Speaker 4: a lot of those changes happen. But as it stands

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Speaker 4: at the moment, a pack of twenty five siggis now

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Speaker 4: costs just under fifty bucks, but the tax can make

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Speaker 4: up eighty percent of that cost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you consider that in Cambodia and Vietnam,

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Speaker 2: cigarettes costs less than three dollars a pack. So essentially

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Speaker 2: the amount of people smoking his plateau, but the amount

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Speaker 2: of tax is coming in. So it suggests the amount

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Speaker 2: of tax that's coming in is lowering so that more

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Speaker 2: and more people are going to the black market. Some

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Speaker 2: people have said that maybe twenty five percent of all

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Speaker 2: the cigarettes smoked in New Zealand might be black market cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: That's massive. Yeah, So I want to hear about this

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Speaker 2: black market. And look, give us a ring of eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty, and you don't give us

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Speaker 2: your name, yep, but we want to hear where you're

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Speaker 2: getting these black mants. Don't give us your name or

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Speaker 2: where you're getting it. But your name talk us through

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Speaker 2: the process of how people are getting these black market cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: Also like to hear from people that are holding on

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Speaker 2: to smoking. When it's fifty dollars a pack, who's keeping

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Speaker 2: going fifty bucks for twenty five cigarettes?

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Speaker 6: Boy?

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Speaker 2: Boy, when I used to smoke, you would ask for

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Speaker 2: a cigarette and people would share them round. You know,

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Speaker 2: you'd bummer seat climb a dozen easy as they weren't

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Speaker 2: two bucks each at that point. Oh, it's a rich

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Speaker 2: man's sport now, that's for sure. But right now, speaking

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Speaker 2: of what some perceive as a rich man's sport, Auckland's

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Speaker 2: America's cup bed is over as Team New Zealand confirmed

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Speaker 2: the funds are not available, so after conversations were underway

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Speaker 2: last month, Auckland will not be moving forward as a

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Speaker 2: potential host, with Emerates Team New Zealand noting a lack

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Speaker 2: of funding made available by the government. It was understood

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Speaker 2: that Team New Zealand we're looking for about one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty million, with half of that ideally coming from

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Speaker 2: private backers. Yeah, as Wayne Brown said, it's just too

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Speaker 2: much money at the moment. We've got other areas that

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Speaker 2: we need to invest seventy five million in. So hang

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Speaker 2: on a minute. That might have been Chris Luxon that

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Speaker 2: said that, I'm just going to have a look at

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Speaker 2: this article. We'll get to the one of who said that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but the upshot is that one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 2: Italy to do it. Do you care. Have we moved

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Speaker 2: on from the America's Cup? I mean I just accepted

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Speaker 2: it wasn't coming back. You know, when they chose twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one was fantastic. What an incredible experience that was.

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Speaker 2: Bought the city together and the country together in a strange,

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Speaker 2: strange time. I loved every moment of that, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know the and especially you know, the final races.

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Speaker 2: But when they didn't come back, then I thought it

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Speaker 2: was just all over. And you know, now I've got

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Speaker 2: sale GP so who gets yeah, who gires?

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Speaker 4: I mean when I read this this morning, I was

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Speaker 4: a little bit gutted, but not as guarded as I

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Speaker 4: would have been in previous years when we didn't get

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Speaker 4: it across the line. And to your question, whether it's

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Speaker 4: time to just say see you later. It's never coming back,

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Speaker 4: and let's forget about how we feel about the America's Cup. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: part of me agrees with that, but also I think

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Speaker 4: maybe we're just a little bit too ambitious. We're thinking

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Speaker 4: that we can hold events of this magnitude.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you try and spend one hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy five million of government money on an America's Cup,

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Speaker 2: people say it's a rich person sport. What about the

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Speaker 2: need in hospital? Because whatever anyone tries to spend any

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Speaker 2: Dunedin Hospital. But you know, the counter argument to that

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Speaker 2: is allegedly Barcelona, Barcelona made two billion dollars off the

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Speaker 2: America's Cup. Two billion dollars was generated from the America's

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Speaker 2: Cup in Barcelona. Yeah, so you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars if you get two billion dollars back,

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Speaker 2: as you know, a decent equation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten Eighty'd love to hear

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Speaker 4: from you on this. Are you gutted that America's Cup

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Speaker 4: will not be held in Auckland for the next the

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Speaker 4: thirty seven thirty eighth rather addition, or is it time

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Speaker 4: for us as a as a nation collectively to say

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Speaker 4: see you later. It's never coming back. We're moving on

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Speaker 4: for the America's Cup and we don't care.

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Speaker 2: This text that says jape's is an imported word used

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Speaker 2: by fools and pretentious people trying to show they are

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Speaker 2: above us. Plubs. Well done you from Bob, Really so Bob.

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Speaker 2: If you think jape is an impressive word, I mean

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Speaker 2: I got it from Viz magazine. Anyone remember Visit magazine.

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Speaker 2: That's not that boogie as it bust to gonad and

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Speaker 2: it is unfeasibly large, definitely a word in the Oxford

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Speaker 2: Dictionary meaning practical joke to you.

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Speaker 4: If it's in the Oxford Dictionary, it's legit. Oh, eight

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Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about the

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Speaker 4: America's Cup not coming back to New Zealand? Love to

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Speaker 4: hear from u on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: It is a quarter past one.

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Speaker 4: Good Afternoon. It is eighteen past one. Are you gunted

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Speaker 4: that the next America's Cup will not be coming back

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Speaker 2: And I was right when it was when I said

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Speaker 4: Well this one, this Texas does care, Craig Matton Tyler,

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Speaker 4: Also, the GP sailing GP racing, it's far more exciting

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Speaker 2: We sh would be investing in that competition. Well that's

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Speaker 4: I went to that race down in Littleton and it

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Speaker 4: Major events generate significant economic, cultural, and social benefits for

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Speaker 4: We've heard that argument time and time again, and there

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Speaker 2: And do you believe the two billion dollar figure. I'm

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Speaker 4: It's beautiful Bathlona said, like the locals Buffalon.

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Speaker 4: And it'll be interesting to see whether Italy or one

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Speaker 4: we'll pay whatever you want. I just wonder whether it's

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Speaker 4: But love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: Well this text to disagrees and saying the government leading

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Speaker 8: Finally, the government looks to bring a bit of real

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Speaker 9: We're going to make it a lot clearer, so you

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Speaker 8: My experience, to be frank, A lot of that stuff,

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, it is twenty five past one and we're

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Speaker 4: talking about the America's Cup. The bit is over for Auckland.

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Speaker 4: It is not going to be the host of the

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Speaker 3: Do we care?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't care as much because sal GP is

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Speaker 2: fantastic and that keeps coming back. It's cheaper. Although this

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Speaker 10: Yeah go No, I think the negative, like we might

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Speaker 10: So we've got the opportunity to have it, and at

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Speaker 10: the end of the day is we've wasted you know

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Speaker 10: what things happen with COVID and all that mustn't it.

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Speaker 10: We are short of money to an agree, But what

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Speaker 7: It's could be ten.

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Speaker 10: Why not give it a go.

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Speaker 11: But if it happens again and we don't make a profit,

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Speaker 11: then don't do it. We've got an opportunity here. Crystal

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Speaker 11: Luson says, Oh, we want to make this government, this

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Speaker 7: They're going to stop it?

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Speaker 11: I reckon, it's a negative approach.

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Speaker 2: So where would you like to see the one hundred

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Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 11: I think you know, everybody's shorter of money. But we

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Speaker 11: where's our pride? We have any more pride in this

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Speaker 11: her so challenge it here. A Jimmy might lose it,

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Speaker 11: so why not challenge it here?

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Speaker 13: It could be gone.

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Speaker 11: We've got it here, so let's let's be pride and

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Speaker 14: That's going to be worth money.

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Speaker 2: Like your Look, you're playing to my patriotism and it's

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's a good reason. But we're not getting it.

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Speaker 2: It's not coming in twenty twenty seven. That's been decided now, Pete,

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like our sal GP is a

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Speaker 11: Oh Grant, he said we're going to hold it here.

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Speaker 11: Seem quite possibly he did here. I think he's been

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Speaker 11: been bit stepped in the face too. If you're sorry

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Speaker 11: but now too because Base I said, we don't want

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Speaker 4: A turnaround for Grant Dalton. I think more and more

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Good things ca okay?

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Speaker 16: So well I think it should be.

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Speaker 16: I mean you've got situation, for example, where the last

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Speaker 16: could have offered special America's Cup packages offshore buyers. You've got,

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Speaker 16: obviously the TV networks that operate here like TVNZ and

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Speaker 16: of course, you know you've got big organizations like Loto.

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Speaker 16: The people are quite happy to spend millions and millions

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Speaker 16: to I mean, one thing. Just to sort of think

437
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Speaker 16: back on Russell Coots started the massive carbon fiber construction

438
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Speaker 16: business help at Walkward's for the America's cup industry, and

439
00:20:49,693 --> 00:20:52,493
Speaker 16: a lot of those guys ended up going on to

440
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Speaker 16: actually help rocket Lands create the rockets that are flying

441
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Speaker 16: out in New Zealand and North America these days because

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Speaker 16: they became experts in carbon fiber development and technology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and there's no doubt that you know, our

444
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Speaker 2: expertise in your building and in sailing on the world

445
00:21:15,293 --> 00:21:18,773
Speaker 2: stage definitely show New Zealand in a good light and

446
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Speaker 2: in a way that New Zealand. You know, often people

447
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Speaker 2: talk about our agriculture, often, people talk about how to

448
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,533
Speaker 2: beautiful we are, but not often that we're at the

449
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Speaker 2: cutting edge of tech. So that is absolutely, Graham, a

450
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Speaker 2: fantastic thing.

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Speaker 16: Yep, one hundred percent agree. And as I said, I

452
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Speaker 16: think you know, it's chump change one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 16: It sounds like a lot of money, but really governments

454
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Speaker 16: waste that.

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Speaker 2: True potentially, Graham, because governments have wasted so much money.

456
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Speaker 2: I mean, if the City rail Link hadn't come and

457
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Speaker 2: at close to six billion dollars, maybe we'd have a

458
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Speaker 2: bit more to splash around for other fun things like

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Speaker 2: the America's Cup.

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Speaker 4: They've done a lot of America's Cups, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: But thank you so much for your call, Graham.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to call. Right coming up, we're going to have a

464
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Speaker 4: chat to form world class sailor and Team New Zealand

465
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Speaker 4: member Mark Orham's about his thoughts, but keen on yours.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to call. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 17: US talk said the headlines We's blue bubble taxis It's

469
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Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Minister of Sport

470
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Speaker 17: says the harsh reality as a government can't cough up

471
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Speaker 17: cash for the America's Cup. With an announcement today Auckland's

472
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Speaker 17: bid won't go ahead. The Workplace Relations Minister says she's

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Speaker 17: fixing unclear laws by removing landowner liability for accidents on

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Speaker 17: their land and changes to health and safety rules. A

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Speaker 17: thirty eight year old wanted man on the run has

476
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Speaker 17: been caught in Auckland after overtaking traffic, running red lights

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Speaker 17: and driving on the footpath before being spiked in the

478
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Speaker 17: North Shore's at Totravail a warning of rise in electricity bills.

479
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Speaker 17: It could be dangerous for people with respiratory conditions living

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Speaker 17: in cold and damp homes. The average household power bill

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Speaker 17: is going up about ten dollars a month from today.

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Speaker 17: A hearing for an ex a Christchurch Boys high school

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Speaker 17: teacher claiming unjustified construction to dismissal has included allegations of

484
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Speaker 17: defecation on a driveway farm. MAC is funding six more

485
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Speaker 17: cancer drugs and one for antibiotic resistant infections from today.

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Speaker 17: About two hundred and ten people will benefit over the

487
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Speaker 17: next year. Has Ethical Investing lost its shine? Find out

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Speaker 17: more at enzi herold at Premium. Now back to Matt

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Speaker 17: Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the

491
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Speaker 4: loss of America's Cup. Auckland will not be the host

492
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Speaker 4: of the thirty eighth edition of the America's Cup.

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Speaker 2: Do you care?

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty CE number to call?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you care?

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Speaker 3: Do I care?

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Speaker 18: No?

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Speaker 2: I was asking people generally, do you care? Passionate? Not

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Speaker 2: you No, I don't care what you think. Brian, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 19: Afternoon, Brian.

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Speaker 20: The government's borrowing money and over first five, So why

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Speaker 20: don't I just take another one hundred and fifty million

504
00:24:05,853 --> 00:24:09,973
Speaker 20: on that Anti America's Cup here in New Zealand, and

505
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Speaker 20: then half the money they earned from the event.

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Speaker 19: Half that goes back towards one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 21: Money and that they had to borrow. The other half

508
00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:20,493
Speaker 21: goes back in.

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Speaker 20: The New Zealand economy to port or to have water

510
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Speaker 20: or the nice things to have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the idea of we are

512
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Speaker 2: borrowing a lot of money and we have to decide

513
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Speaker 2: we can't just keep borrowing money. And you might say

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty millions not much will seventy five

515
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Speaker 2: from the central government, seventy five from from Auckland City.

516
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Speaker 2: But one hundred and fifty million here, fifty million there,

517
00:24:45,133 --> 00:24:47,813
Speaker 2: twenty million there, five hundred million the year. You know,

518
00:24:48,693 --> 00:24:50,373
Speaker 2: it all adds adds up, and I guess at some

519
00:24:50,413 --> 00:24:53,893
Speaker 2: point the government's got to go well in terms of priorities,

520
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Speaker 2: borrowing the money to pay for the America's Cup isn't

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Speaker 2: something that we feel we can do right now.

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Speaker 20: Oh, Matt Pilot could always go put their hands.

523
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Speaker 22: In their pocket.

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Speaker 2: Take Yeah, well Mett could.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that could definitely make a big detail of that

526
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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million. Me on the other hands,

527
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'll probably be more harm than good. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you still get paid or I thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Brian right joining us now. Mark Worams is a former

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Speaker 4: World Champion sailor Team New Zealand member, author and currently

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Speaker 4: Professor of Sport and Recreation at the Auckland University of Technology.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Mark.

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Speaker 2: How gatta are you that the America's Cup isn't coming

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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Well, to be honest, I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised.

537
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Speaker 5: It was always a bit of a long shot. I

538
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Speaker 5: own in some ways I was a little surprised that

539
00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:46,213
Speaker 5: they were even exploring that option, and when they said

540
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Speaker 5: that they were, then of course your hopes get raised

541
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Speaker 5: a fair bit. But realistically it was always going to

542
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Speaker 5: be difficult in the current economic climate that we're in

543
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Speaker 5: here in New Zealand to make the numbers stack up,

544
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Speaker 5: and I do understand that from a Team New Zealand perspective,

545
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Speaker 5: what they need to do first and foremost is they

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Speaker 5: have enough money to mount a successful defense of the

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Speaker 5: America's Cup. Because if you haven't got the money to

548
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Speaker 5: keep the team together, we go back to two thousand

549
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Speaker 5: and three and that's something we don't want to revisit.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of money, does Team New Zealand even want

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Speaker 2: to bring it here considering the money and coverage that

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Speaker 2: it can be captured in the northern hemosphere.

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Speaker 5: I think Team New Zealand absolutely wants to have it here.

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Speaker 5: We've got to remember that the vast majority of the

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Speaker 5: team are New Zealanders. They've grown up here, they're proud

556
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Speaker 5: New Zealand Sailors. And of course there's the home court

557
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Speaker 5: advantage if you like, We as a team and as

558
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Speaker 5: sailors know the holdactun Golf better than anybody and so

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Speaker 5: that gives us a real sense of being able to

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Speaker 5: stay at home with our families and have the local

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Speaker 5: support and to know intimately the waters that would be

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Speaker 5: competing on. So if they could make the money stack up,

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Speaker 5: I think that they absolutely would have wanted to have

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Speaker 5: it here. But again it comes back to the basics

565
00:27:03,453 --> 00:27:06,213
Speaker 5: of this is an expensive game and so you've got

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Speaker 5: to have a pretty deep poker to be able to

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Speaker 5: have the team stay together to build the sort of

568
00:27:12,853 --> 00:27:16,333
Speaker 5: boat that you need to be successful as a defender.

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Speaker 5: And if you go in without a full kind of

570
00:27:20,613 --> 00:27:23,653
Speaker 5: wholester of weapons against the opposition that comes at you,

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Speaker 5: you end up getting shot down. So I agree and

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Speaker 5: I understand the prioritization of ensuring the team is as

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Speaker 5: competitive as it can be.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Mark Orham's aut sailing professor. Does SALGP

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Speaker 2: cover the yachting for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 5: I think it does for a certain portion of time.

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course, the o GP is only really

578
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Speaker 5: a three day event, so over that period of time

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Speaker 5: people absolutely love it and it's a real highlight now

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Speaker 5: of the sailing calendar in New Zealand. And of course

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Speaker 5: the recent event in Auckland was a great success. But

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Speaker 5: it's quite different than the America's Cup. The America's Cup

583
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Speaker 5: goes on for many months. You have teams and all

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Speaker 5: of their families who stay here and become part of

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Speaker 5: the local community. You have all of the sort of

586
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Speaker 5: input from supiots who choose to come down for the summer,

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00:28:12,933 --> 00:28:16,093
Speaker 5: and so the America's Cup is are much much longer

588
00:28:16,373 --> 00:28:19,653
Speaker 5: and in much more sustained kind of event in terms

589
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Speaker 5: of its impact and its interest. And of course you

590
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Speaker 5: can't replicate the history of the America's Cup, which is

591
00:28:25,893 --> 00:28:30,173
Speaker 5: the oldest international sporting event bar none. So sale GPS great,

592
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Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, but the America's Cup is something

593
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Speaker 5: that's very hard to replicate.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we would have done more to find

595
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Speaker 2: the money if it wasn't for sale GP or do

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Speaker 2: do you think there's a lot of people like me

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00:28:40,333 --> 00:28:42,213
Speaker 2: that go sal GP was awesome, so at least we're

598
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Speaker 2: getting some of that experience.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd see them as sort of two alternative products,

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Speaker 5: if you like. Even though they're both elite professional competitive

601
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Speaker 5: sailing events, they fill quite different roles from my perspective.

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00:29:00,173 --> 00:29:02,573
Speaker 5: Sale GP for me, is a little bit sort of

603
00:29:02,693 --> 00:29:07,533
Speaker 5: an analogous to the Formula one or Moto GP, and

604
00:29:07,653 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 5: while it's affiliated by and large, you've got these teams

605
00:29:11,293 --> 00:29:14,533
Speaker 5: that are traveling around the world and it's a bit

606
00:29:14,573 --> 00:29:18,133
Speaker 5: of a traveling road show that happens periodically every month

607
00:29:18,293 --> 00:29:21,573
Speaker 5: or in some cases every week or two. The America's

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00:29:21,613 --> 00:29:23,933
Speaker 5: Cup is an event a bit more like the Olympic Games.

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Speaker 22: You know, you build up to it over.

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Speaker 5: Four or five years. It has a long history, has

611
00:29:28,293 --> 00:29:31,893
Speaker 5: a lot of prestige, a lot of controversy, and so

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00:29:32,253 --> 00:29:34,653
Speaker 5: they for me, they feel sort of slightly different roles,

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00:29:34,693 --> 00:29:36,813
Speaker 5: even though we have some of the same people competing

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Speaker 5: in both events.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to at selling professor Mark Orhams. What does

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Speaker 2: this mean for our high tech boating and boat building

617
00:29:45,693 --> 00:29:49,413
Speaker 2: and sailing industries not having the America's Cup coming down here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think both both the marine industry and Auckland

619
00:29:53,293 --> 00:29:56,013
Speaker 5: and more widely in New Zealand and the hospitality industry

620
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Speaker 5: but will be really disappointed because there's no question that

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Speaker 5: the America's Cup has and could continue to provide a

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Speaker 5: major impetus for those two industry or those two sectors

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Speaker 5: if you like. It's not so much from the input

624
00:30:10,933 --> 00:30:14,613
Speaker 5: in to Team New Zealand itself or even the America's

625
00:30:14,693 --> 00:30:18,013
Speaker 5: Cup specifically, it's more about the sorts of profile and

626
00:30:18,293 --> 00:30:21,093
Speaker 5: especially the super yachts and other visitors who come down,

627
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Speaker 5: because when they do bring those really valuable large vessels

628
00:30:25,093 --> 00:30:27,853
Speaker 5: down here, they spend many months. They often take the

629
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Speaker 5: opportunity to refit and pull out of the water, and

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00:30:30,893 --> 00:30:33,293
Speaker 5: they spend an enormous amount of money while they're here,

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Speaker 5: and that supports that marine industry. So without the America's

632
00:30:37,093 --> 00:30:40,533
Speaker 5: Cup being hosted here, you lose that opportunity. New Zealand's

633
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:42,693
Speaker 5: a long way to come to and so for those

634
00:30:42,733 --> 00:30:45,573
Speaker 5: super yachts and all money that comes with them, you

635
00:30:45,693 --> 00:30:47,493
Speaker 5: need a really good reason to come down to the

636
00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:50,253
Speaker 5: bottom of the planet. The America's Cup provides that reason.

637
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Speaker 5: So not having it here means that we miss out

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Speaker 5: on that vest.

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Speaker 4: Grant Dalton is a phenomenal fundraiser, is very formidable at

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Speaker 4: what he does in that realm. Why couldn't we change

641
00:31:01,373 --> 00:31:04,173
Speaker 4: the balance for what the government provides versus what the

642
00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:08,173
Speaker 4: private backers would provide is they're just not the appetite

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00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:10,893
Speaker 4: from those private bankers. They don't get enough return from

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00:31:10,933 --> 00:31:13,213
Speaker 4: what they're putting in. If you're talking about one hundred

645
00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:13,613
Speaker 4: and fifty mil.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, And I think you've identified something that not

647
00:31:17,773 --> 00:31:20,893
Speaker 5: many people have and that Grant Dalton is exceptional at this.

648
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Speaker 5: He is somebody who has developed a very credible commercial

649
00:31:28,213 --> 00:31:33,173
Speaker 5: proposition that he puts to people. He's cultivated important relationships

650
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:35,933
Speaker 5: with high net worth individuals who trust him and want

651
00:31:36,013 --> 00:31:39,293
Speaker 5: to back him. That said, it's a big ass to

652
00:31:39,413 --> 00:31:41,293
Speaker 5: try and get to those sort of numbers of the

653
00:31:41,373 --> 00:31:47,133
Speaker 5: basis of personal connections and trust with high networth individuals,

654
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Speaker 5: and especially in the corporate sense, sponsoring an event at

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Speaker 5: the bottom of the planet where the vast majority of

656
00:31:54,693 --> 00:31:57,813
Speaker 5: their customers and profile they're looking for. It's in the

657
00:31:57,893 --> 00:32:00,493
Speaker 5: middle of the night in the Northern Hemisphere. Those things

658
00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:03,213
Speaker 5: make it really difficult. So Grant Dalton will find it

659
00:32:03,413 --> 00:32:06,453
Speaker 5: much easier to sell the product of the America's Cup

660
00:32:06,493 --> 00:32:09,053
Speaker 5: and support for Team New Zealand in the North Hemisphere

661
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:12,053
Speaker 5: than he will down here in New Zealand. That's just

662
00:32:12,173 --> 00:32:16,413
Speaker 5: the sort of geographical reality and the commercial reality of

663
00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:17,973
Speaker 5: the global marketplace.

664
00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:23,053
Speaker 2: So having said all that, can you see it ever

665
00:32:23,173 --> 00:32:24,253
Speaker 2: coming back to New Zealand?

666
00:32:25,493 --> 00:32:28,933
Speaker 5: Yes, I can, actually, I mean maybe I'm I'm a

667
00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:32,893
Speaker 5: forever optimist. The reason that I'm optimistic about it is

668
00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:36,293
Speaker 5: that there is still a real commitment within Team New

669
00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:39,253
Speaker 5: Zealand to say we want to host the America's Cup here.

670
00:32:39,613 --> 00:32:41,733
Speaker 5: But we know to have that opportunity, we've got to

671
00:32:41,773 --> 00:32:44,413
Speaker 5: win it, because if we don't want it, then we

672
00:32:45,733 --> 00:32:48,213
Speaker 5: don't shape what happens in the next event. There is

673
00:32:48,253 --> 00:32:50,973
Speaker 5: a context at the moment which is meant that this

674
00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:54,253
Speaker 5: attempt to host the thirty eighth America's Cup here in

675
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:56,893
Speaker 5: New Zealand has failed. And that context is that we

676
00:32:57,013 --> 00:33:02,213
Speaker 5: are really in a financially challenging context in terms of

677
00:33:02,693 --> 00:33:06,133
Speaker 5: our economy, in terms of our businesses, the government books,

678
00:33:06,453 --> 00:33:10,773
Speaker 5: Allgland Council's books, and so we might and I hope

679
00:33:10,813 --> 00:33:13,693
Speaker 5: we do see that turnaround and the near future, if

680
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:16,933
Speaker 5: we are able to successfully defend the America's Cup and

681
00:33:17,013 --> 00:33:20,293
Speaker 5: wherever it is in two thousand and twenty seven, then

682
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:24,373
Speaker 5: we'll have an opportunity to have another go at bringing

683
00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:28,133
Speaker 5: it back to Auckland when our financial circumstances might be

684
00:33:28,493 --> 00:33:29,613
Speaker 5: be more conducive to that.

685
00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:32,173
Speaker 4: Mark really good to chat with you. Thank you very

686
00:33:32,253 --> 00:33:33,413
Speaker 4: much for your time this afternoon.

687
00:33:34,093 --> 00:33:35,493
Speaker 6: Absolute please it all the best.

688
00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:38,333
Speaker 4: That is Mark Orm's former a World champion sailor Team

689
00:33:38,373 --> 00:33:41,413
Speaker 4: New Zealand member and professor of Sport and Recreation at

690
00:33:41,493 --> 00:33:44,293
Speaker 4: Auckland University of Technology. Will take more of your calls

691
00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:46,253
Speaker 4: very shortly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

692
00:33:46,253 --> 00:33:46,613
Speaker 4: the number.

693
00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:49,213
Speaker 2: Call this Texas. They is one hundred and fifty million dollars.

694
00:33:49,573 --> 00:33:52,253
Speaker 2: We could buy a navy ship that doesn't sink. Yeah,

695
00:33:52,533 --> 00:33:54,733
Speaker 2: well we had one that doesn't sink, but we sunk it.

696
00:33:54,813 --> 00:33:56,093
Speaker 2: I don't have a good luck with that. Yeah, it

697
00:33:56,133 --> 00:34:00,493
Speaker 2: wasn't the ship's fault exactly. It has fourteen to two the.

698
00:34:00,613 --> 00:34:03,133
Speaker 3: Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along

699
00:34:03,213 --> 00:34:03,493
Speaker 3: the way.

700
00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:07,653
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo xin eighty innovation

701
00:34:07,893 --> 00:34:10,573
Speaker 1: style and deserve have it all you talk.

702
00:34:10,453 --> 00:34:14,053
Speaker 4: They'd be good Afternoon. Is the government right to say

703
00:34:14,172 --> 00:34:17,373
Speaker 4: no to funding the next Americas come here in Auckland?

704
00:34:18,333 --> 00:34:19,213
Speaker 2: Jason? How are you?

705
00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:21,013
Speaker 21: Yeah?

706
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:21,573
Speaker 6: Good, Jess.

707
00:34:21,933 --> 00:34:25,573
Speaker 19: Look, I think there's a couple of aspects at play here.

708
00:34:26,013 --> 00:34:26,212
Speaker 23: One.

709
00:34:26,413 --> 00:34:29,213
Speaker 12: I don't think there is any doubt that the event

710
00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:32,253
Speaker 12: and has done for the ones that we've hosted here

711
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:34,732
Speaker 12: in New Zealand have economic payback. I don't think there's

712
00:34:34,733 --> 00:34:36,493
Speaker 12: any doubt about that. But it'll be good to see

713
00:34:37,653 --> 00:34:39,453
Speaker 12: well it's too late now, it's but academic, but it'd

714
00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:42,853
Speaker 12: be great to have seen the you know, the economic

715
00:34:42,933 --> 00:34:47,212
Speaker 12: factors here in terms of where they think how many

716
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:49,213
Speaker 12: how many hundred million was it that they needed.

717
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:50,733
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty million.

718
00:34:50,893 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 12: One hundred and fifty million if we if we you know,

719
00:34:54,333 --> 00:34:56,013
Speaker 12: walked out that amount of money. You know, what does

720
00:34:56,053 --> 00:34:59,013
Speaker 12: that actually return? I the life of me never really

721
00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:02,573
Speaker 12: seen the sciences of that. And another thing I've never

722
00:35:02,653 --> 00:35:04,652
Speaker 12: been sure on and no one's really answered it either,

723
00:35:04,773 --> 00:35:08,093
Speaker 12: is I'm assuming, given the status of that event and

724
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:11,893
Speaker 12: and the wealth of it, that it attracts prize money

725
00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:15,053
Speaker 12: for the winning syndicate. So if that was the case,

726
00:35:15,093 --> 00:35:17,133
Speaker 12: it'd be great to know actually what that is, because

727
00:35:17,133 --> 00:35:20,453
Speaker 12: I'm sure there is prize money rather than just the prestige.

728
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,573
Speaker 12: Why couldn't that there have been some sort of formula

729
00:35:23,653 --> 00:35:25,413
Speaker 12: here or structure where like we did a couple of

730
00:35:25,493 --> 00:35:31,093
Speaker 12: events go that Emirates was actually just lented as I'm

731
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:34,053
Speaker 12: pretty sure we loaned them the money some regattas back

732
00:35:34,053 --> 00:35:38,413
Speaker 12: and ended it having to pay it back. I just

733
00:35:38,453 --> 00:35:40,653
Speaker 12: think it's a little bit of lost opportunity, but agree

734
00:35:40,693 --> 00:35:43,573
Speaker 12: wholeheartedly that if you do the pros and cons, we

735
00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:46,292
Speaker 12: we're not in a situation fiscally where we can fund

736
00:35:46,373 --> 00:35:49,133
Speaker 12: up that sort of money. It's just a you know,

737
00:35:49,293 --> 00:35:49,973
Speaker 12: as a freebie.

738
00:35:50,173 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you, Jason. I think it's interesting when

739
00:35:53,853 --> 00:35:56,652
Speaker 2: they do those, you know, those equations on how much

740
00:35:56,773 --> 00:36:00,453
Speaker 2: money an event brings in, like the America's Cup. Yeah,

741
00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:02,853
Speaker 2: because you don't know that that money wasn't going to

742
00:36:02,853 --> 00:36:04,333
Speaker 2: be you know, there's a centin amount of money, especially

743
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:06,333
Speaker 2: the domestic side of it. There was a certain amount

744
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:08,172
Speaker 2: of money that was going to be spent. It got

745
00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,453
Speaker 2: spent there, Yeah, but it could have been spent somewhere else.

746
00:36:10,493 --> 00:36:13,053
Speaker 2: So the domestic side of it's a little bit squirrelly

747
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:15,453
Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, they may have spent

748
00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:17,213
Speaker 2: it on something to do with the America's Cup. They

749
00:36:17,293 --> 00:36:19,493
Speaker 2: may have just blinded at the pokes.

750
00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 3: You don't know.

751
00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:24,333
Speaker 2: Yah, there's the Satain amount of discretionary spending. Hard to quantify. Yeah,

752
00:36:24,813 --> 00:36:26,253
Speaker 2: but they have come up with a figure of two

753
00:36:26,333 --> 00:36:30,213
Speaker 2: billion in New Zealand dollars out of Barcelona. But Buthlona

754
00:36:30,213 --> 00:36:31,493
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it again exactly.

755
00:36:31,573 --> 00:36:33,093
Speaker 4: So what does that say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

756
00:36:33,133 --> 00:36:34,533
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call.

757
00:36:34,813 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 2: It is nine to two.

758
00:36:38,213 --> 00:36:41,853
Speaker 1: Mattith Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

759
00:36:41,853 --> 00:36:45,373
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo xc

760
00:36:45,573 --> 00:36:48,933
Speaker 1: N eighty Tick every box, a seamless experience of weeks

761
00:36:49,053 --> 00:36:49,893
Speaker 1: News Talks.

762
00:36:49,733 --> 00:36:54,013
Speaker 4: NB News Talks theb It is seven to two. Graham,

763
00:36:54,053 --> 00:36:54,653
Speaker 4: good afternoon.

764
00:36:55,053 --> 00:36:57,773
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on us not hosting the America's Cup in

765
00:36:57,773 --> 00:36:58,493
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven.

766
00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's it's a dreadful shame, you know that.

767
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:08,853
Speaker 14: I think it's central government both allow because of one

768
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:12,853
Speaker 14: of the tail wagers. Not only don't think real central government,

769
00:37:12,893 --> 00:37:16,173
Speaker 14: but one of the baby parties said no taxes, so

770
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:19,253
Speaker 14: they don't allow the bed tax. They use the wrong language.

771
00:37:19,253 --> 00:37:21,333
Speaker 14: They should have said bed levy about two and a

772
00:37:21,373 --> 00:37:24,293
Speaker 14: half bucks a night on a hotel room. You wouldn't

773
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:27,133
Speaker 14: there's not even even the cheapest hotel in New Zealand.

774
00:37:27,413 --> 00:37:30,933
Speaker 14: In Auckland, sorry, wouldn't even notice that. To raise one

775
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:34,053
Speaker 14: hundred million pucks. They did it around and choose not

776
00:37:34,693 --> 00:37:40,693
Speaker 14: to proceed with that. The so called sophisticated people in Wellington,

777
00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:44,093
Speaker 14: and they've killed it and it's ad Remember the economic

778
00:37:44,213 --> 00:37:47,453
Speaker 14: impact is one billion or two billion. And I agree

779
00:37:47,493 --> 00:37:50,333
Speaker 14: with the previous caller who said, how do you really know, Well,

780
00:37:50,373 --> 00:37:52,533
Speaker 14: you don't really know. But what you do know about

781
00:37:52,573 --> 00:37:56,453
Speaker 14: these fantastic events. They lift the city. And when the

782
00:37:56,533 --> 00:38:01,933
Speaker 14: city is lifted, there's immeasurable there's an immeasurable positive for

783
00:38:02,093 --> 00:38:05,613
Speaker 14: everyone in the city and it's just so sad that

784
00:38:05,893 --> 00:38:08,213
Speaker 14: something is gorgeous, that it's such a New Zealand thing.

785
00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:11,253
Speaker 14: America's Cup, I mean, goodn's me news. There's one at

786
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:15,333
Speaker 14: three times that's been under celebrated too, but you know,

787
00:38:15,693 --> 00:38:19,693
Speaker 14: just crazy, just crazy that it doesn't happen because of

788
00:38:19,813 --> 00:38:21,733
Speaker 14: merely mouth civil servants and Willicans.

789
00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:24,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your your thoughts on that, Graham.

790
00:38:24,493 --> 00:38:26,293
Speaker 2: There's no doubt in twenty twenty one, it did bring

791
00:38:26,373 --> 00:38:29,533
Speaker 2: the city together. It was an absolutely spectacular event, especially

792
00:38:29,653 --> 00:38:32,093
Speaker 2: you know, the best of thirteen race against the Lunarossa.

793
00:38:32,773 --> 00:38:34,933
Speaker 2: That was if that was I tell you some of

794
00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:37,053
Speaker 2: the best times of my life down there, down there

795
00:38:37,093 --> 00:38:37,693
Speaker 2: at the Viaduct.

796
00:38:37,893 --> 00:38:40,172
Speaker 4: Well, not even being an Auckland, being in christ Church.

797
00:38:40,253 --> 00:38:42,293
Speaker 4: I think it brought the country together. I could feel

798
00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:44,493
Speaker 4: the hype down in christ Chach because everybody was into it.

799
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:47,253
Speaker 4: And Graham's right, that's something that you cannot measure, but

800
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:50,573
Speaker 4: it's there, that general hype and happiness and well being

801
00:38:50,773 --> 00:38:52,692
Speaker 4: of New Zealand as a whole. When we hold an

802
00:38:52,733 --> 00:38:54,173
Speaker 4: event like that and we win it.

803
00:38:54,253 --> 00:38:56,253
Speaker 2: Well it's all academic because it's not coming back in

804
00:38:56,333 --> 00:39:00,093
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Maybe our economy will go rock star again.

805
00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:03,813
Speaker 2: And if New Zealand won it again then maybe we'll

806
00:39:03,853 --> 00:39:05,933
Speaker 2: have some money in the future and we can bring

807
00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:08,692
Speaker 2: it back. But right now we have I've been able

808
00:39:08,693 --> 00:39:10,093
Speaker 2: to rustle up one hundred and fifty mil.

809
00:39:10,613 --> 00:39:12,853
Speaker 4: So it's so long for now a couple of techs

810
00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:16,293
Speaker 4: to wrap this up. Guys, why are we not co

811
00:39:16,373 --> 00:39:18,573
Speaker 4: hosting it with Sydney. We could have New Zealand versus

812
00:39:18,613 --> 00:39:21,133
Speaker 4: Australia and Auckland for the right race the winner of

813
00:39:21,333 --> 00:39:23,853
Speaker 4: the Louis Verton Cup in Sydney. Nothing like a bit

814
00:39:23,893 --> 00:39:25,173
Speaker 4: of trans tesman rivalry.

815
00:39:25,693 --> 00:39:27,973
Speaker 2: This text at DAL says Auckland needs to tidy itself

816
00:39:28,053 --> 00:39:30,293
Speaker 2: up before anything big is held here. It's a mess here.

817
00:39:30,693 --> 00:39:32,613
Speaker 2: You can't invite people around when we haven't cleaned up

818
00:39:32,613 --> 00:39:33,093
Speaker 2: our own house.

819
00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:36,173
Speaker 4: It's good point at OL, Yeah, very good, keep it

820
00:39:36,293 --> 00:39:39,653
Speaker 4: clean right. Coming up after two o'clock, let's have a

821
00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:44,053
Speaker 4: chat about the black market of tobacco. The excized tax

822
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:47,533
Speaker 4: is increasing again and now for a pack of twenty

823
00:39:47,613 --> 00:39:50,292
Speaker 4: five costing fifty bucks, the text can make up eighty

824
00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:50,813
Speaker 4: percent of that.

825
00:39:51,053 --> 00:39:53,692
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah, so I want to hear from someone that's

826
00:39:53,733 --> 00:39:57,493
Speaker 2: bought black market cigarettes. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

827
00:39:57,533 --> 00:40:00,533
Speaker 2: You don't have to tell us where or who you are.

828
00:40:00,893 --> 00:40:02,013
Speaker 2: We just want to know the process.

829
00:40:02,173 --> 00:40:02,373
Speaker 5: Yep.

830
00:40:02,493 --> 00:40:04,053
Speaker 4: And if you grow tobacco as well, we want to

831
00:40:04,133 --> 00:40:06,493
Speaker 4: hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

832
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,333
Speaker 2: It is three minute.

833
00:40:08,413 --> 00:40:10,533
Speaker 4: It's to two New Sport and Weather or it's the

834
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,653
Speaker 4: way you're listening to Matt and Tyler.

835
00:40:11,813 --> 00:40:18,493
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you, Mad Heath and Tyler Adams.

836
00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:21,573
Speaker 3: Talking with you all afternoon.

837
00:40:21,813 --> 00:40:26,413
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety.

838
00:40:26,213 --> 00:40:27,293
Speaker 3: News Talk ZB.

839
00:40:28,573 --> 00:40:32,013
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Six pass too.

840
00:40:32,093 --> 00:40:34,253
Speaker 4: Now just a reminder today we are giving you another

841
00:40:34,373 --> 00:40:37,133
Speaker 4: chance to win five hundred bucks cash and go into

842
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:39,453
Speaker 4: the drawer for the ultimate island to escape, all thanks

843
00:40:39,493 --> 00:40:40,533
Speaker 4: to New A Islands.

844
00:40:42,053 --> 00:40:44,773
Speaker 2: As that's right. The grand prize return flights for four

845
00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:47,733
Speaker 2: to u A, seven nights for four and two deluxe

846
00:40:47,813 --> 00:40:50,973
Speaker 2: rooms at the scenic Matavia Resort, including the daily breakfast

847
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:53,613
Speaker 2: choice of either a one day fishing charter for four

848
00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:57,413
Speaker 2: or a day's dive snorkeling and charter in the beautiful

849
00:40:57,453 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 2: clear waters, seven days vehicle rental and an island tour.

850
00:41:01,253 --> 00:41:01,933
Speaker 2: What a prize?

851
00:41:02,173 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a place. I'm just reading here. The clearest

852
00:41:04,973 --> 00:41:07,413
Speaker 4: water in the Pacific with eighty meter visibility.

853
00:41:07,773 --> 00:41:10,173
Speaker 2: A meat, you'd be lucky for one in New Zealand.

854
00:41:10,493 --> 00:41:11,213
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

855
00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:13,693
Speaker 4: That is a beautiful place. So how it works, we

856
00:41:13,813 --> 00:41:16,053
Speaker 4: will read out a question, listen for that QUT call.

857
00:41:16,173 --> 00:41:18,253
Speaker 4: Then we will read out the question related to New Way,

858
00:41:18,733 --> 00:41:21,533
Speaker 4: and the first caller through on eight hundred and eighty

859
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,093
Speaker 4: ten eighty with the Correick danswer wins that five hundred

860
00:41:24,093 --> 00:41:27,133
Speaker 4: bucks cash and everybody else listening. Then you go and

861
00:41:27,253 --> 00:41:30,173
Speaker 4: register and submit the day's answer at newstalksb dot go

862
00:41:30,533 --> 00:41:32,293
Speaker 4: dot co dot nz to go on the drawer for

863
00:41:32,333 --> 00:41:35,093
Speaker 4: the grand prize on Friday. But right now, Tyler, let's

864
00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 4: have a chat about black market tobacco.

865
00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:42,133
Speaker 2: Darts, ladies and gentlemen. So here we go. Interesting topic.

866
00:41:42,293 --> 00:41:44,093
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We want to hear

867
00:41:44,213 --> 00:41:46,613
Speaker 2: from you if you're getting SIGs on the black market.

868
00:41:46,693 --> 00:41:51,413
Speaker 2: You can keep all the details secret, yep, but we'd

869
00:41:51,493 --> 00:41:54,133
Speaker 2: like to hear about the process. Excise tax on tobacco

870
00:41:54,293 --> 00:41:57,893
Speaker 2: might be lifting, but the amount collected has dropped, sparking

871
00:41:58,253 --> 00:42:00,733
Speaker 2: warnings that smokers might be turning to the black market

872
00:42:00,813 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 2: for their cigarette. It's a pack of twenty five SIGs

873
00:42:03,693 --> 00:42:07,573
Speaker 2: now costs just under fifty bucks. That's insanely that is

874
00:42:07,653 --> 00:42:10,772
Speaker 2: a lot of a pack of Winfield twenties is thirty

875
00:42:10,813 --> 00:42:15,013
Speaker 2: eight fifty that's for twenties and twenty five dollars twenty

876
00:42:15,053 --> 00:42:17,293
Speaker 2: five dollars. Forty four of that thirty eight to fifty

877
00:42:17,573 --> 00:42:21,693
Speaker 2: for the twenty pack is excise tax. So the question is, really,

878
00:42:23,373 --> 00:42:24,813
Speaker 2: if you've got as high as you can on the

879
00:42:24,893 --> 00:42:27,533
Speaker 2: excise tax, are you just you know, And it's done

880
00:42:27,533 --> 00:42:29,973
Speaker 2: a good job bringing smoking rates back down, and I

881
00:42:30,013 --> 00:42:35,213
Speaker 2: think the insane cost of cigarettes it has been a

882
00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:37,453
Speaker 2: lot of the reason why smoking rates have dropped plummeted,

883
00:42:37,573 --> 00:42:40,813
Speaker 2: right and you know a couple that without not being

884
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 2: able to do it inside and such. But now it's

885
00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:46,933
Speaker 2: getting to the point where it's so expensive and about

886
00:42:46,973 --> 00:42:49,732
Speaker 2: to go up again that it's just pushing people towards

887
00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:50,292
Speaker 2: the black market.

888
00:42:50,413 --> 00:42:52,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you do buy your tobacco on the

889
00:42:53,013 --> 00:42:55,253
Speaker 4: black market, we'd love to hear from you. How easy

890
00:42:55,413 --> 00:42:57,573
Speaker 4: is it to get a hold of and we can

891
00:42:57,653 --> 00:42:58,813
Speaker 4: keep your name anonymous.

892
00:42:58,853 --> 00:42:59,853
Speaker 2: But where do you go?

893
00:43:00,013 --> 00:43:03,373
Speaker 4: To get it clearly. When it's two bucks per cigarette,

894
00:43:03,653 --> 00:43:06,773
Speaker 4: that is crazy money. And when back when I was smoking,

895
00:43:06,973 --> 00:43:09,333
Speaker 4: I can remember, actually I think it was about twenty

896
00:43:09,373 --> 00:43:11,373
Speaker 4: cents a cigarette, So I could bear with that that.

897
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:13,853
Speaker 4: I just pictured myself checking away a twenty cent coin

898
00:43:13,893 --> 00:43:14,893
Speaker 4: each time I had a cigarette.

899
00:43:15,053 --> 00:43:17,573
Speaker 2: Tell if I was a smoker these days, like I

900
00:43:17,733 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 2: was back in the day, and someone asked for a cigarette,

901
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:21,453
Speaker 2: I'd have to consider very carefully whether I'm going to

902
00:43:21,493 --> 00:43:23,213
Speaker 2: give him a two dollars cigare to serve you can

903
00:43:23,413 --> 00:43:27,653
Speaker 2: a cigarette. The FDA report found consumption of illicit tobacco

904
00:43:27,693 --> 00:43:30,652
Speaker 2: and New Zealand increase thirty seven percent in twenty twenty three,

905
00:43:31,253 --> 00:43:34,293
Speaker 2: even as overall consumption declined. Almost a quarter of all

906
00:43:34,293 --> 00:43:38,652
Speaker 2: tobacco consumed in the country was illicit tobacca. So how

907
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:41,213
Speaker 2: do you get your hands on the illicit tobacco?

908
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:41,613
Speaker 6: Yeah?

909
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:45,293
Speaker 2: I one hundred tobacca? Again, Am I pronouncing that right? Tobacco?

910
00:43:45,533 --> 00:43:47,212
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm saying by that. That was weird.

911
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:50,253
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty is the number to call

912
00:43:50,293 --> 00:43:51,573
Speaker 4: love to hear from you on this one?

913
00:43:51,853 --> 00:43:54,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting way to put it. Someone

914
00:43:54,253 --> 00:43:56,773
Speaker 2: on the Median wage has to work a forty hour

915
00:43:56,853 --> 00:43:59,772
Speaker 2: week for five weeks just to afford to smoke half

916
00:43:59,813 --> 00:44:02,413
Speaker 2: a pack a day for a year. That's a complex

917
00:44:02,453 --> 00:44:04,653
Speaker 2: way to put it. But anyway, if you and so

918
00:44:04,973 --> 00:44:07,933
Speaker 2: are we just hammering the same addicted people. So we've

919
00:44:07,933 --> 00:44:10,253
Speaker 2: got to seven percent of people, they're just fully addicted

920
00:44:11,173 --> 00:44:13,252
Speaker 2: and you know, whatever things we're doing, because if you chat,

921
00:44:13,573 --> 00:44:15,853
Speaker 2: they were just you know, forcing them into the black market.

922
00:44:15,973 --> 00:44:18,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, so at fifty bucks per pack, it's at the

923
00:44:18,933 --> 00:44:20,893
Speaker 4: higher end. But if you're a packa day, I was

924
00:44:20,893 --> 00:44:22,613
Speaker 4: a pack of day, maybe a little bit more than that,

925
00:44:23,173 --> 00:44:25,613
Speaker 4: so that by the end of the week four hundred bucks?

926
00:44:25,893 --> 00:44:28,413
Speaker 2: Were you backhanding? How did you smoke?

927
00:44:28,933 --> 00:44:28,973
Speaker 24: No?

928
00:44:29,093 --> 00:44:31,053
Speaker 4: No, I did the two fingers, two fingers, three fingers,

929
00:44:31,133 --> 00:44:32,493
Speaker 4: yeah lower Tayley's though I didn't.

930
00:44:32,493 --> 00:44:36,893
Speaker 2: I didn't do rollies. You went a pretentious backhander like me. Anyway,

931
00:44:37,053 --> 00:44:37,732
Speaker 2: let's not go back.

932
00:44:37,893 --> 00:44:39,493
Speaker 4: We need to get the cameras on. That didn't look

933
00:44:39,493 --> 00:44:40,692
Speaker 4: like cigarettes or smoking there.

934
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:45,013
Speaker 2: Let's not reminiscent about a glory day smoking cigarettes because

935
00:44:45,213 --> 00:44:47,133
Speaker 2: thankfully both of us have managed to kick that to touch.

936
00:44:47,253 --> 00:44:49,172
Speaker 4: Yep, but keen to hear from you for now? Yeah,

937
00:44:49,253 --> 00:44:52,333
Speaker 4: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

938
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Speaker 4: It is eleven past two. Beag very shortly here on

939
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Speaker 4: News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoon

941
00:45:02,173 --> 00:45:06,093
Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

942
00:45:06,253 --> 00:45:08,973
Speaker 3: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Talk.

943
00:45:08,853 --> 00:45:13,253
Speaker 4: Said, good afternoon, and we're talking about the black market

944
00:45:13,373 --> 00:45:16,733
Speaker 4: of tobacco on the back of another increase in tax

945
00:45:16,933 --> 00:45:20,013
Speaker 4: on your standard pack of Siggi's. It is a rich

946
00:45:20,093 --> 00:45:21,733
Speaker 4: man's game these days. If you want to try and

947
00:45:21,813 --> 00:45:24,613
Speaker 4: smoke and do it legally, well, it.

948
00:45:24,733 --> 00:45:28,733
Speaker 2: Is a rich man's game in price. But as it

949
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:32,533
Speaker 2: turns out, it is generally poor people that are still

950
00:45:32,573 --> 00:45:35,013
Speaker 2: smoking in that seven percent, which maybe why the black

951
00:45:35,093 --> 00:45:38,973
Speaker 2: market is growing some Some studies suggests twenty five percent

952
00:45:39,133 --> 00:45:42,373
Speaker 2: of all SIGs sold in New zealandle tobacco is a

953
00:45:42,693 --> 00:45:48,573
Speaker 2: legal tobacco. This textas says Tyler, you're still smoking hot?

954
00:45:48,653 --> 00:45:48,933
Speaker 13: That is?

955
00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:50,893
Speaker 2: Oh thank you? Who is that from Red?

956
00:45:51,253 --> 00:45:51,413
Speaker 5: Oh?

957
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:57,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks Red? Right there you go, Amanda, Hi,

958
00:45:57,973 --> 00:46:01,293
Speaker 2: how are you welcome to the show? So black market cigarettes?

959
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:09,333
Speaker 21: Yeah? So someone I knows fives and believe with them

960
00:46:09,533 --> 00:46:12,613
Speaker 21: like a five k area. I know of at least

961
00:46:12,693 --> 00:46:18,813
Speaker 21: two places that sell them, but they just must be everywhere.

962
00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:21,692
Speaker 2: What kind of places are selling them?

963
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:26,653
Speaker 21: Like bake shops and liquor shops?

964
00:46:27,173 --> 00:46:29,533
Speaker 3: Right, it is the two that I know of.

965
00:46:30,013 --> 00:46:34,573
Speaker 2: And how does your friends you know, address the issue

966
00:46:34,693 --> 00:46:37,292
Speaker 2: because obviously they're not going to put these black market

967
00:46:37,293 --> 00:46:39,693
Speaker 2: cigarettes up on the shelf. How does that?

968
00:46:39,853 --> 00:46:40,413
Speaker 3: How do you know?

969
00:46:40,773 --> 00:46:43,613
Speaker 2: How does she know or he know for which which

970
00:46:43,653 --> 00:46:46,212
Speaker 2: shops are selling them? And be how do you raise

971
00:46:46,293 --> 00:46:47,493
Speaker 2: it with the person at the counter?

972
00:46:48,813 --> 00:46:51,172
Speaker 21: I think, like I think the first place that they

973
00:46:51,293 --> 00:46:53,613
Speaker 21: used to get them timed, they kind of developed a

974
00:46:53,653 --> 00:46:57,573
Speaker 21: relationship because that looked like our local place. Yeah, so

975
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:00,053
Speaker 21: it just came about through that. But then the other

976
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:02,573
Speaker 21: place I know about was just Word of Mounts someone

977
00:47:02,613 --> 00:47:04,613
Speaker 21: else who brought them there.

978
00:47:05,053 --> 00:47:07,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not really risking much though.

979
00:47:07,133 --> 00:47:09,172
Speaker 4: I mean they used to call it loose works as

980
00:47:09,173 --> 00:47:11,493
Speaker 4: an American term, but it would be single cigarettes that

981
00:47:11,653 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 4: someone may sell you and highly illegal. But you didn't

982
00:47:14,453 --> 00:47:16,973
Speaker 4: risk much by saying, hey, do you sell Lucy's? So

983
00:47:17,013 --> 00:47:18,652
Speaker 4: I imagine it would be something similar to that.

984
00:47:18,693 --> 00:47:23,053
Speaker 21: Amanda, Yeah, yeah, probably, I think like the some of

985
00:47:23,093 --> 00:47:26,333
Speaker 21: the liquor shops also sell like their self single drakes

986
00:47:26,373 --> 00:47:27,533
Speaker 21: when they're not made too as well.

987
00:47:27,773 --> 00:47:29,533
Speaker 22: I think, yeah, it's.

988
00:47:29,413 --> 00:47:32,453
Speaker 4: Kind of like that saying and so you're not surprised

989
00:47:32,653 --> 00:47:35,973
Speaker 4: by this figure that twenty five percent of smokers may

990
00:47:36,013 --> 00:47:37,773
Speaker 4: be buying off the off the black market.

991
00:47:39,213 --> 00:47:39,893
Speaker 6: Die not at all?

992
00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:43,013
Speaker 21: And you know, yeah, why wouldn't they when they could

993
00:47:43,053 --> 00:47:44,453
Speaker 21: get it for half the rise?

994
00:47:44,813 --> 00:47:47,493
Speaker 2: How much? So it's about half the price. So if

995
00:47:47,533 --> 00:47:51,413
Speaker 2: we're saying here fifty dollars or just under fifty dollars

996
00:47:51,453 --> 00:47:54,933
Speaker 2: for pack twenty five, so you're paying twenty.

997
00:47:54,773 --> 00:47:58,293
Speaker 21: Five bucks for that, ye're twenty twenty five a packer

998
00:47:58,813 --> 00:48:00,333
Speaker 21: and like normally bought a part.

999
00:48:01,053 --> 00:48:05,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow. And any idea how the particular vape shops

1000
00:48:06,093 --> 00:48:10,212
Speaker 2: or liquor stores get those cigarettes where they source them from?

1001
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:16,453
Speaker 21: No, no idea, no, but when well, and from what

1002
00:48:16,693 --> 00:48:19,653
Speaker 21: I know, when they're sold to the person that I know,

1003
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:23,173
Speaker 21: they're put in a like a bag or in a

1004
00:48:23,293 --> 00:48:26,133
Speaker 21: box or something, so you can't see what's in the

1005
00:48:26,173 --> 00:48:28,252
Speaker 21: bag or box right.

1006
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:30,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, out the door.

1007
00:48:31,093 --> 00:48:33,212
Speaker 2: And I guess once you've done it once then then

1008
00:48:33,293 --> 00:48:35,693
Speaker 2: it's much easier just to come back and you know

1009
00:48:35,773 --> 00:48:36,453
Speaker 2: they know what you want.

1010
00:48:37,613 --> 00:48:38,213
Speaker 21: Yeah, totally.

1011
00:48:38,493 --> 00:48:41,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Thank you so much, Amanda. And is your

1012
00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:45,813
Speaker 2: friends concerned about getting caught? Is there a feeling that

1013
00:48:45,893 --> 00:48:48,973
Speaker 2: there's some danger in buying these black market cigarettes?

1014
00:48:51,013 --> 00:48:53,133
Speaker 15: No, not that, not that I know of.

1015
00:48:53,293 --> 00:48:57,213
Speaker 21: I mean, the text are huge on the legitimate ones. Anyway,

1016
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:01,292
Speaker 21: I guess my only thought would be like, because they're

1017
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:04,733
Speaker 21: not regulated, because they're coming in legally, then do we

1018
00:49:04,813 --> 00:49:06,732
Speaker 21: actually know what's them? I mean, I know this bad

1019
00:49:06,773 --> 00:49:09,733
Speaker 21: stuff in the Ana, but yeah.

1020
00:49:09,653 --> 00:49:12,933
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that is the risk I do I wonder, Amanda.

1021
00:49:13,013 --> 00:49:15,373
Speaker 4: It might be hard to tell, but I'd understand people

1022
00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:17,773
Speaker 4: can grow their own to some extent, whether it is

1023
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:21,373
Speaker 4: you know, the homegrowing tobacco that's somehow being well.

1024
00:49:21,413 --> 00:49:24,893
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, install the cigarettes a pretty major operation, Tyler.

1025
00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:26,373
Speaker 2: But I guess if there's a lot of money in it,

1026
00:49:26,453 --> 00:49:28,733
Speaker 2: that you have grown your own homegrown tobacco and then

1027
00:49:28,773 --> 00:49:31,293
Speaker 2: you you've got a machine rolling them up into tailor mates,

1028
00:49:31,693 --> 00:49:34,493
Speaker 2: that maybe there's a market for that today. Thank you

1029
00:49:34,573 --> 00:49:36,773
Speaker 2: so much for your call, Amanda. It is funny the

1030
00:49:36,853 --> 00:49:40,453
Speaker 2: idea that they might not be you know, healthy for you,

1031
00:49:40,533 --> 00:49:43,053
Speaker 2: the cigarettes. You know, you know, you be careful how

1032
00:49:43,093 --> 00:49:45,733
Speaker 2: they made. They might they might turn out that they're

1033
00:49:45,773 --> 00:49:48,253
Speaker 2: bad for your health. If they're not regulated, you've got

1034
00:49:48,293 --> 00:49:48,693
Speaker 2: to be careful.

1035
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 4: We've got to be real careful outlays.

1036
00:49:51,493 --> 00:49:55,133
Speaker 2: Unlike the regulated ones that are incredibly good for you. Jason,

1037
00:49:55,773 --> 00:49:59,413
Speaker 2: your thoughts on black market SIGs, You've got to be.

1038
00:49:59,453 --> 00:50:05,133
Speaker 19: Honestly buy them. I'll buy three peckets a week. I'll

1039
00:50:05,173 --> 00:50:07,613
Speaker 19: pay twenty bucks a pecket for a pecket of twenties.

1040
00:50:09,213 --> 00:50:09,413
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1041
00:50:09,453 --> 00:50:13,613
Speaker 19: I get them from a particular dairy in a particular

1042
00:50:14,133 --> 00:50:17,613
Speaker 19: city in New Zealand. I say, what one, but that

1043
00:50:17,733 --> 00:50:19,573
Speaker 19: there is not the only place that you get them

1044
00:50:20,013 --> 00:50:22,373
Speaker 19: is the bake shop and also the local list shop.

1045
00:50:23,013 --> 00:50:26,973
Speaker 19: So yeah, but it's a it's about half the cost

1046
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:30,413
Speaker 19: of going out and getting a normal packet.

1047
00:50:31,013 --> 00:50:33,253
Speaker 2: Are they? Are they you know, well known brands that

1048
00:50:33,413 --> 00:50:34,173
Speaker 2: you're buying.

1049
00:50:35,293 --> 00:50:37,893
Speaker 19: No, it's got like Chinese riding and stuff on it

1050
00:50:38,053 --> 00:50:42,493
Speaker 19: like that. You know, you buy the normal packet of twenties,

1051
00:50:42,533 --> 00:50:45,933
Speaker 19: it's cardboard. These ones are like paper wrapping, but it's

1052
00:50:45,973 --> 00:50:49,053
Speaker 19: still sealed and it's you know, plastic sealed and everything.

1053
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:52,093
Speaker 19: And it's yeah, I don't have an issue of it.

1054
00:50:52,253 --> 00:50:54,772
Speaker 19: You know, it's half the cost, that's yeah?

1055
00:50:55,533 --> 00:50:56,893
Speaker 6: Is that? You know?

1056
00:50:57,573 --> 00:51:00,293
Speaker 2: Are they good? Cigarettes. Do you do you like them?

1057
00:51:01,253 --> 00:51:03,933
Speaker 19: I wouldn't say that. You know that every brain is different,

1058
00:51:04,013 --> 00:51:06,933
Speaker 19: it's different, but you know, I'm not going to complain

1059
00:51:06,973 --> 00:51:07,812
Speaker 19: when they're half the cost.

1060
00:51:08,093 --> 00:51:10,013
Speaker 2: And are they the same each time or is it

1061
00:51:10,053 --> 00:51:11,653
Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise.

1062
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:12,693
Speaker 3: That you get No?

1063
00:51:12,813 --> 00:51:16,453
Speaker 19: No, no, they're just basically what you're buying Johnna. Yeah right,

1064
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:17,653
Speaker 19: exactly the same packaging.

1065
00:51:19,133 --> 00:51:23,373
Speaker 2: And you know, have you attempted just to give up smoking?

1066
00:51:24,493 --> 00:51:24,613
Speaker 5: Oh?

1067
00:51:24,653 --> 00:51:26,973
Speaker 19: I smoked and ibate sung down to three packets a

1068
00:51:27,053 --> 00:51:28,293
Speaker 19: day a week? Sorry?

1069
00:51:28,373 --> 00:51:28,533
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1070
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:32,573
Speaker 19: Yeah, so you know I might smoke one and innovate

1071
00:51:32,653 --> 00:51:34,212
Speaker 19: for a couple of hours and you have another one.

1072
00:51:34,613 --> 00:51:37,653
Speaker 4: So what eppens if you you're away on holiday or

1073
00:51:37,773 --> 00:51:39,813
Speaker 4: out of out of where you live Jason, and you

1074
00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:41,973
Speaker 4: need to find some more illicit to back or is that.

1075
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:42,772
Speaker 2: Pretty easy to find?

1076
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:45,973
Speaker 19: Well, I'll probably buy a cartain for a least to

1077
00:51:46,013 --> 00:51:46,973
Speaker 19: be honest, good boy?

1078
00:51:47,093 --> 00:51:47,253
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1079
00:51:47,333 --> 00:51:49,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, How did you raise it? Jason? How did you

1080
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:51,613
Speaker 2: raise it? Which you know, it sounds like you've got

1081
00:51:51,653 --> 00:51:55,252
Speaker 2: three options there locally to you? How did you raise

1082
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:57,453
Speaker 2: it or find out that it was an opportunity to

1083
00:51:57,893 --> 00:51:59,413
Speaker 2: buy these black masket cigarettes?

1084
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:03,693
Speaker 19: Just word of mouths from a week, colleague, and.

1085
00:52:03,773 --> 00:52:05,733
Speaker 2: So you go and go he did you how did

1086
00:52:05,773 --> 00:52:07,813
Speaker 2: you address it? Did you just go straight straight up

1087
00:52:07,813 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 2: the guts? And you've got any black markets aggress for me?

1088
00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 19: Or you know, you know, you get told to go

1089
00:52:14,133 --> 00:52:15,773
Speaker 19: in and just go. Have you got any of those

1090
00:52:15,853 --> 00:52:18,573
Speaker 19: cheap things? And they know exactly what you're talking about?

1091
00:52:18,733 --> 00:52:21,453
Speaker 19: And you know you've got to pay in cash, don't

1092
00:52:21,493 --> 00:52:22,613
Speaker 19: expect a receipt or nothing.

1093
00:52:22,853 --> 00:52:23,053
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1094
00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:26,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so have you got any idea how they're

1095
00:52:26,773 --> 00:52:28,973
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're just buying them at the vape

1096
00:52:29,013 --> 00:52:32,293
Speaker 2: shop or whatever, but have you got any idea how

1097
00:52:32,373 --> 00:52:35,253
Speaker 2: they're sourcing them, how they're getting into the country, because.

1098
00:52:35,053 --> 00:52:38,613
Speaker 18: You know, I'm pretty sure I doose are like all

1099
00:52:38,693 --> 00:52:42,692
Speaker 18: these liquor stores and dairies and all that, they all

1100
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:46,013
Speaker 18: pull their resources together and buy everything in bulk, right,

1101
00:52:46,093 --> 00:52:48,493
Speaker 18: and so they're all so it's technically coming in and

1102
00:52:48,613 --> 00:52:51,252
Speaker 18: the containers when they're buying all the other stuff, it's

1103
00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:53,613
Speaker 18: coming and as it in the containers, no doubt.

1104
00:52:54,253 --> 00:52:56,053
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, right, Yeah, so you buy

1105
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:57,533
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff and then there's a bunch of

1106
00:52:58,853 --> 00:52:59,732
Speaker 2: darts in there as well.

1107
00:52:59,853 --> 00:53:02,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, So was it not a part of you, Jason,

1108
00:53:02,093 --> 00:53:04,692
Speaker 4: that thought going going to black market is just too hard.

1109
00:53:04,733 --> 00:53:06,973
Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm going to do vaping because it's cheaper,

1110
00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:07,933
Speaker 4: or just quit all together.

1111
00:53:10,373 --> 00:53:13,053
Speaker 19: Well, I'm trying to quit that It's easier say than done.

1112
00:53:13,293 --> 00:53:13,453
Speaker 3: Yep.

1113
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:16,413
Speaker 19: Like I said, I'd cut back half of what I

1114
00:53:16,613 --> 00:53:19,373
Speaker 19: was making, but it's just the last half that's had.

1115
00:53:19,493 --> 00:53:23,413
Speaker 19: But yeah, I'll keep paying twenty bucks a cigarette as

1116
00:53:23,413 --> 00:53:25,333
Speaker 19: long as the garden, as long as over you.

1117
00:53:25,613 --> 00:53:25,813
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1118
00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:27,373
Speaker 2: So do you think in a way the black markets

1119
00:53:28,013 --> 00:53:32,533
Speaker 2: cigarettes are enabling enabling you to keep smoking and that

1120
00:53:32,653 --> 00:53:34,053
Speaker 2: if you were having to pay fifty bucks for a

1121
00:53:34,053 --> 00:53:37,053
Speaker 2: pack of twenty five's, it might finally nip it in

1122
00:53:37,093 --> 00:53:37,533
Speaker 2: the bud.

1123
00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:40,773
Speaker 19: For you, to be honest at the stage, right and now,

1124
00:53:41,773 --> 00:53:43,973
Speaker 19: I would probably still fork out the fifty It's just

1125
00:53:44,373 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 19: something else would have the good Yeah, yeah, no.

1126
00:53:46,693 --> 00:53:49,293
Speaker 2: Fair enough to Thank you so much for sharing, Jason,

1127
00:53:49,373 --> 00:53:49,893
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1128
00:53:49,973 --> 00:53:52,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, very thank you mate. Very interesting. Eight one hundred

1129
00:53:52,733 --> 00:53:54,693
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number.

1130
00:53:54,533 --> 00:53:56,573
Speaker 2: Call I'd like to know, and I've just been trying

1131
00:53:56,573 --> 00:53:59,213
Speaker 2: to look this up, but I struggle to find the information.

1132
00:53:59,653 --> 00:54:02,413
Speaker 2: You know what the penalty is for if you get

1133
00:54:02,493 --> 00:54:06,373
Speaker 2: caught buying black market cigarettes? What the penalty is for

1134
00:54:06,693 --> 00:54:09,493
Speaker 2: selling them? Yeah, you know what the penalty is for

1135
00:54:09,613 --> 00:54:13,213
Speaker 2: smuggling them into the country. I don't imagine it's on

1136
00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:17,213
Speaker 2: the same scale as meth and fitamine. You were cocaine. No,

1137
00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:20,293
Speaker 2: So I wonder if you know, does your shop immediately

1138
00:54:20,333 --> 00:54:21,053
Speaker 2: get shut down?

1139
00:54:21,293 --> 00:54:21,453
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1140
00:54:21,493 --> 00:54:23,333
Speaker 2: You know, do you get immediately? You know, is the

1141
00:54:23,533 --> 00:54:28,373
Speaker 2: jail time for selling a pack of twenty dollars Chinese cigarettes?

1142
00:54:28,613 --> 00:54:29,733
Speaker 2: I'dn't be interested to know.

1143
00:54:29,813 --> 00:54:31,253
Speaker 4: Well, if the cops pulled you over and you had

1144
00:54:31,293 --> 00:54:33,333
Speaker 4: a pack of Chinese cigarettes on you, I mean, that's

1145
00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:35,373
Speaker 4: pretty easy to took your way out of that cent Sorry,

1146
00:54:35,573 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 4: I just came.

1147
00:54:35,973 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 2: Back from China. Immediate tasering and then you're on your way.

1148
00:54:38,973 --> 00:54:40,853
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you know

1149
00:54:41,653 --> 00:54:42,933
Speaker 4: what happens if you do get caught.

1150
00:54:43,013 --> 00:54:46,293
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, and I'll continue my research. Yes,

1151
00:54:47,013 --> 00:54:48,453
Speaker 2: twenty three past two.

1152
00:54:53,053 --> 00:54:56,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1153
00:54:56,813 --> 00:54:58,373
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1154
00:54:59,413 --> 00:55:02,973
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, and we're talking about the black market trade

1155
00:55:03,053 --> 00:55:06,453
Speaker 4: of tobacco in New Zealand. Quite a large part of

1156
00:55:06,573 --> 00:55:09,293
Speaker 4: the smoky market up to twenty five percent, maybe more,

1157
00:55:09,333 --> 00:55:12,573
Speaker 4: but that's according to a survey. But this is on

1158
00:55:12,653 --> 00:55:15,613
Speaker 4: the back of excised tax once again going up. A

1159
00:55:15,693 --> 00:55:17,813
Speaker 4: pack of twenty five cigarettes now can cost up to

1160
00:55:17,933 --> 00:55:20,773
Speaker 4: fifty bucks, and depending on the brand, tax can make

1161
00:55:20,853 --> 00:55:22,613
Speaker 4: up eighty percent of the costs. So for a pack

1162
00:55:22,693 --> 00:55:25,453
Speaker 4: of fifty sorry twenty five cigarettes at fifty bucks, that

1163
00:55:25,493 --> 00:55:27,893
Speaker 4: would be forty dollars as tax, which is crazy.

1164
00:55:28,413 --> 00:55:30,373
Speaker 2: Mate of mine says this text of works at the ports.

1165
00:55:30,813 --> 00:55:33,373
Speaker 2: He buys a curtain of off the crew of Chinese

1166
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:36,613
Speaker 2: ships fifteen dollars a pack. There you go, Okay, all

1167
00:55:36,653 --> 00:55:39,893
Speaker 2: happens at the port. Yeah, other Texas is basically so

1168
00:55:39,973 --> 00:55:42,373
Speaker 2: basically the government is solely responsible for the rise in

1169
00:55:42,493 --> 00:55:46,053
Speaker 2: dairy client crime. I wouldn't say solely responsible. It's a

1170
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:47,533
Speaker 2: lot to do with the people that are doing the

1171
00:55:47,813 --> 00:55:48,453
Speaker 2: dairy crime.

1172
00:55:50,293 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 4: Some responsibility there, you'd think, guys, I don't smoke and

1173
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:55,172
Speaker 4: never have, but I know a few people who buy

1174
00:55:55,453 --> 00:55:59,453
Speaker 4: illegal SIGs from a local owned dairy where you have

1175
00:55:59,573 --> 00:56:01,573
Speaker 4: to be very secretive when asking for them.

1176
00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:04,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is I guess the point. Black market

1177
00:56:04,253 --> 00:56:06,853
Speaker 2: cigarettes are causing future health costs without paying for them,

1178
00:56:06,973 --> 00:56:10,733
Speaker 2: no more public health provisions. Smokers their own bad choices, Simon.

1179
00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:15,933
Speaker 2: So he's saying that if you smoke then you get

1180
00:56:16,013 --> 00:56:19,653
Speaker 2: lung ganta or whatever going to cancer. Then, according to Simon,

1181
00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:21,333
Speaker 2: he just wants you to die.

1182
00:56:21,973 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean it isn't that money going

1183
00:56:24,533 --> 00:56:27,293
Speaker 4: back into the health system hopefully the text that they

1184
00:56:27,373 --> 00:56:29,013
Speaker 4: can cream off the toime.

1185
00:56:28,933 --> 00:56:31,693
Speaker 2: Well, it's always an and like I'm just speaking without

1186
00:56:31,773 --> 00:56:35,733
Speaker 2: having any facts or figures here, which I'm happy to do.

1187
00:56:36,213 --> 00:56:38,973
Speaker 2: But in the past people have said that they took

1188
00:56:39,053 --> 00:56:42,293
Speaker 2: more money from excised tax than cost to the house

1189
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,013
Speaker 2: system of dealing with the smokers.

1190
00:56:44,173 --> 00:56:44,373
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1191
00:56:44,773 --> 00:56:46,693
Speaker 2: That was always the thing, wasn't it. And that was

1192
00:56:46,693 --> 00:56:49,013
Speaker 2: always the reason one of the reasons given why they

1193
00:56:49,053 --> 00:56:52,453
Speaker 2: didn't completely get rid of smoking, you know, cigarettes, because

1194
00:56:52,573 --> 00:56:55,133
Speaker 2: it was actually a net gain to the country having

1195
00:56:55,173 --> 00:56:58,693
Speaker 2: some smokers, you know, being willing to be addicted and

1196
00:56:58,773 --> 00:56:59,333
Speaker 2: pay that much.

1197
00:56:59,493 --> 00:57:04,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were patriots in a way. John, How are

1198
00:57:04,653 --> 00:57:05,373
Speaker 4: you this afternoon?

1199
00:57:06,453 --> 00:57:07,893
Speaker 6: Goody good?

1200
00:57:08,013 --> 00:57:09,813
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about the black market tobacco?

1201
00:57:10,773 --> 00:57:11,212
Speaker 14: A man?

1202
00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:15,493
Speaker 6: So where where I live in Aukland, Man, it's just

1203
00:57:15,613 --> 00:57:19,213
Speaker 6: so like open, like you just rock up to the

1204
00:57:19,293 --> 00:57:21,773
Speaker 6: dairy and you just ask them, shut up, do you

1205
00:57:21,933 --> 00:57:26,093
Speaker 6: have I'll just say these Chinese cigrettes, you know, but

1206
00:57:26,173 --> 00:57:27,893
Speaker 6: they kind of come in like a soft pack and

1207
00:57:27,933 --> 00:57:30,533
Speaker 6: a hard pack, and some of them kind of come

1208
00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 6: in like a there's some that come in like a premium,

1209
00:57:33,573 --> 00:57:36,253
Speaker 6: like you kind of get some that are better than

1210
00:57:37,493 --> 00:57:40,213
Speaker 6: the others. But like I think Jason stated, it was

1211
00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:44,013
Speaker 6: like the average prices around fifteen to twenty dollars, depending

1212
00:57:44,013 --> 00:57:45,613
Speaker 6: on how much you play it. It's like if you

1213
00:57:45,693 --> 00:57:48,933
Speaker 6: buy a carded, it kind of sets around fifteen dollars

1214
00:57:48,973 --> 00:57:56,213
Speaker 6: of carden. But yeah, it's it's just so so open

1215
00:57:56,613 --> 00:57:59,493
Speaker 6: the market. It's like you can kind of just purchase

1216
00:57:59,573 --> 00:58:05,933
Speaker 6: from They've got Facebook groups. Man, I even tell you guys,

1217
00:58:06,013 --> 00:58:08,253
Speaker 6: like I think I was like seven years ago when

1218
00:58:08,453 --> 00:58:12,053
Speaker 6: Boom started happening. You know, even myself, I was so

1219
00:58:12,133 --> 00:58:14,733
Speaker 6: I purchased like a thousand dollars worth of a guy

1220
00:58:14,813 --> 00:58:20,813
Speaker 6: that was uh an importer of illegal tobacco, and man,

1221
00:58:20,853 --> 00:58:23,093
Speaker 6: I'll just like triple my money, you know, certain will

1222
00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:26,733
Speaker 6: be like three thousand, you know it was. I was

1223
00:58:26,813 --> 00:58:29,253
Speaker 6: definitely our market was just so easy to get. It's

1224
00:58:29,373 --> 00:58:33,453
Speaker 6: kind of it's kind of quite a little bit more

1225
00:58:34,893 --> 00:58:37,533
Speaker 6: difficult to get it at bulk these days because the

1226
00:58:37,653 --> 00:58:40,093
Speaker 6: government's kind of cracked down on it, and I think

1227
00:58:40,213 --> 00:58:44,933
Speaker 6: we stopped we stopped their game maybe two three years ago.

1228
00:58:45,413 --> 00:58:47,613
Speaker 6: But I was definitely our market that was so easy,

1229
00:58:48,293 --> 00:58:50,253
Speaker 6: so easy to get the stuff in by bulk.

1230
00:58:51,773 --> 00:58:56,653
Speaker 2: Hey, John, have you ever heard of anyone being busted,

1231
00:58:56,653 --> 00:58:59,333
Speaker 2: anyone you know or you know any of the places

1232
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:02,773
Speaker 2: that you've bought these these uh you know, black market

1233
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:04,173
Speaker 2: cigarettes off ever being busted.

1234
00:59:05,293 --> 00:59:09,573
Speaker 6: So the places that are currently selling in them in

1235
00:59:09,653 --> 00:59:11,733
Speaker 6: the area that I stay, Man, they've been operating for

1236
00:59:11,813 --> 00:59:17,253
Speaker 6: like four years, you know, that's all. And it's just yeah,

1237
00:59:17,973 --> 00:59:20,253
Speaker 6: at something where the locals kind of don't really say

1238
00:59:20,293 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 6: anything because everyone's benefiting from the you know it down

1239
00:59:26,973 --> 00:59:29,853
Speaker 6: It's definitely and I think how you follows said that

1240
00:59:30,053 --> 00:59:34,013
Speaker 6: there's a market out there for people actually growing tobacco.

1241
00:59:34,093 --> 00:59:38,213
Speaker 6: The actually is, you know, and I think you guys

1242
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:43,333
Speaker 6: chuckled at someone rolling tailies, then there there's people out there,

1243
00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:48,333
Speaker 6: there's a certain culture that they grow the certain tobacco.

1244
00:59:48,853 --> 00:59:50,653
Speaker 6: Man as harsh as well.

1245
00:59:50,773 --> 00:59:52,893
Speaker 4: Then what's going to ask John, is you know what

1246
00:59:53,053 --> 00:59:54,933
Speaker 4: is the head like that don't like it would be

1247
00:59:55,053 --> 00:59:56,413
Speaker 4: pretty pretty hard on the lungs.

1248
00:59:57,053 --> 00:59:59,693
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty heavy. So they are, so one tailor

1249
00:59:59,813 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 6: will be equivalent to like smoking four four or five

1250
01:00:04,053 --> 01:00:04,653
Speaker 6: and one job.

1251
01:00:04,773 --> 01:00:08,933
Speaker 2: You know you're getting a special film in that or

1252
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:10,893
Speaker 2: is it just just straight up the guards?

1253
01:00:10,973 --> 01:00:11,173
Speaker 25: Yeah?

1254
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:14,973
Speaker 6: No, no, So it's fully they've got a full tailor

1255
01:00:15,093 --> 01:00:18,853
Speaker 6: rolling machine makes clean teenies. So you can pick up

1256
01:00:18,893 --> 01:00:24,413
Speaker 6: a twenty roll Chilis for like ten bucks. You get

1257
01:00:24,453 --> 01:00:27,533
Speaker 6: a thirty grand for like man for like fifteen bucks.

1258
01:00:28,133 --> 01:00:30,173
Speaker 6: And it's just the market still, you know.

1259
01:00:30,293 --> 01:00:33,333
Speaker 2: And they've got an extra machine turning them into tailies.

1260
01:00:33,653 --> 01:00:37,413
Speaker 2: That's operation. And they two tone colors or they you

1261
01:00:37,493 --> 01:00:39,413
Speaker 2: know that does it look just like a you know,

1262
01:00:39,613 --> 01:00:39,893
Speaker 2: just like a.

1263
01:00:39,893 --> 01:00:42,893
Speaker 6: Boat one that looks exactly like a boat one that

1264
01:00:43,013 --> 01:00:45,133
Speaker 6: comes in the only thing that they're didn't come in

1265
01:00:45,173 --> 01:00:47,693
Speaker 6: as a packet. They're coming kind of little a little

1266
01:00:47,733 --> 01:00:50,773
Speaker 6: bad rap, you know, the little sandwich bad Yeah.

1267
01:00:51,653 --> 01:00:54,133
Speaker 2: Can you can you pick your region? John? You know,

1268
01:00:54,213 --> 01:00:55,653
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a sucker for a bit of

1269
01:00:55,733 --> 01:00:58,053
Speaker 2: Motika tobacco, can you can you ask for that?

1270
01:00:58,973 --> 01:01:01,413
Speaker 6: Oh man? This is like they didn't come in like

1271
01:01:01,453 --> 01:01:08,773
Speaker 6: a port Royal flavor. It's just like the street. It's like, yeah,

1272
01:01:08,813 --> 01:01:11,493
Speaker 6: the guy that was kind of growing it was. He

1273
01:01:11,533 --> 01:01:15,773
Speaker 6: used to always say, put hair on your chest, you know. Definitely,

1274
01:01:16,093 --> 01:01:21,853
Speaker 6: like I said, Geneva's that's that's definitely a market that's open.

1275
01:01:22,413 --> 01:01:24,853
Speaker 6: There's no fear in getting caught.

1276
01:01:25,773 --> 01:01:28,573
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Hey, John, when you seen before that you'd

1277
01:01:28,613 --> 01:01:32,573
Speaker 2: bought bulk in the past, How big can you get?

1278
01:01:32,653 --> 01:01:33,973
Speaker 2: And how hard was it back in the day. You

1279
01:01:34,013 --> 01:01:36,733
Speaker 2: see that in recent years it's got harder. But how

1280
01:01:36,853 --> 01:01:39,973
Speaker 2: easy was it to buy a big amount? And will

1281
01:01:40,013 --> 01:01:41,533
Speaker 2: you buy it just for yourself or you're buying it

1282
01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:42,093
Speaker 2: on sell?

1283
01:01:43,373 --> 01:01:45,973
Speaker 6: Were buying it on self? You know? It was I

1284
01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:47,813
Speaker 6: think that most I bought in one jot was like

1285
01:01:47,973 --> 01:01:52,893
Speaker 6: twenty k with Wow, and the return was like sixty

1286
01:01:53,173 --> 01:01:55,493
Speaker 6: depending on how greedy I wanted to get, Like I

1287
01:01:55,573 --> 01:01:57,773
Speaker 6: was getting packaged at like two dollars fifty a pack,

1288
01:01:58,173 --> 01:02:00,653
Speaker 6: and then I'll I'll put my premium on top, will

1289
01:02:00,693 --> 01:02:03,413
Speaker 6: be like twenty bucks, you know, depending And it's like

1290
01:02:03,653 --> 01:02:08,493
Speaker 6: at the customer that was buying, as they were buying more,

1291
01:02:09,133 --> 01:02:12,413
Speaker 6: I'll give them, I'll chuck it to you for fifteen bucks,

1292
01:02:12,453 --> 01:02:14,653
Speaker 6: you know. Yeah, And then the deal was always there,

1293
01:02:14,693 --> 01:02:17,533
Speaker 6: but it was just we had a we had a

1294
01:02:17,653 --> 01:02:20,853
Speaker 6: family that were importing containing a lots of it. Like

1295
01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:23,973
Speaker 6: it was like it was a no check you'll do

1296
01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,693
Speaker 6: just sit your order up and the guy will be

1297
01:02:27,813 --> 01:02:30,173
Speaker 6: here and then next week and then you go to

1298
01:02:30,293 --> 01:02:32,973
Speaker 6: the house and you'll just go click your buckles. And

1299
01:02:33,093 --> 01:02:37,213
Speaker 6: I thought, for me personally, the the logistics of story

1300
01:02:38,693 --> 01:02:43,453
Speaker 6: twinny k worth of cigarette kind of become a bit

1301
01:02:43,533 --> 01:02:46,093
Speaker 6: of a nightmare becers. You had all these buckles kind

1302
01:02:46,093 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 6: of stored up in your carriage, and it was just

1303
01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:53,133
Speaker 6: it was definitely a world that where I made some

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01:02:53,333 --> 01:02:57,133
Speaker 6: real quick cash, you know, and it was for myself.

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01:02:57,173 --> 01:02:59,373
Speaker 6: When I was at that age, I was I had

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Speaker 6: no fear of getting caught because I knew, like you said,

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Speaker 6: you know, it wasn't like I was selling like myth

1308
01:03:05,493 --> 01:03:07,853
Speaker 6: or Blenny weed or anything like that.

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Speaker 21: You know.

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Speaker 6: It was just like, see, if I get caught, I'll

1311
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Speaker 6: probably just get get a fine put on how and

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Speaker 6: D or something, you know, Or there was the fear

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01:03:18,733 --> 01:03:19,333
Speaker 6: wasn't there.

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Speaker 25: You know, And.

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Speaker 6: I knew I could just do it. And I felt,

1316
01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:24,413
Speaker 6: like I said, if I got caught, it was just

1317
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:29,133
Speaker 6: like just destroyed. You see, they see the judge, you know,

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01:03:29,213 --> 01:03:31,213
Speaker 6: you'll give me a slip on the end, you know,

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01:03:31,293 --> 01:03:35,173
Speaker 6: and it was just yeah, And I think that's why

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01:03:35,213 --> 01:03:38,653
Speaker 6: it's so open and the market up there, just everyone

1321
01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:42,253
Speaker 6: doesn't have their fear of having that big punishment come

1322
01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 6: down on them when they do get caught. I think,

1323
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Speaker 6: like I said, you know, the market has become a

1324
01:03:48,813 --> 01:03:51,973
Speaker 6: lot more hard of what the government really cracking down

1325
01:03:52,813 --> 01:03:58,253
Speaker 6: on all this illegal input of tobacco. But yeah, man,

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01:03:58,293 --> 01:04:01,213
Speaker 6: there's like all sorts of stages there. Like our cases

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01:04:01,253 --> 01:04:03,533
Speaker 6: said that was the soft pack, the hard pack, and

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01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:07,533
Speaker 6: we're like we're selling for at a point there we're

1329
01:04:07,573 --> 01:04:11,493
Speaker 6: selling like the done all equivalent of Chinese sobek goop,

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01:04:12,173 --> 01:04:13,493
Speaker 6: like the premium of previous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, fascinating. That is incredible. So that's a real insight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, can you hear from you? Eight hundred and

1333
01:04:21,773 --> 01:04:23,933
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighties and I'm gonna call twenty five to.

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Speaker 3: Three News Talk said.

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Speaker 17: The headlines with blue Bubble taxis there's no trouble with

1336
01:04:30,853 --> 01:04:34,133
Speaker 17: a blue bubble. Labour's leader says he wishes the government

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01:04:34,173 --> 01:04:37,213
Speaker 17: would try again to help get an Auckland America's cup

1338
01:04:37,293 --> 01:04:41,133
Speaker 17: bid across the line with News Today, it's been abandoned

1339
01:04:41,693 --> 01:04:45,413
Speaker 17: public service Minister Judith Collins will begin overhauling the Public

1340
01:04:45,493 --> 01:04:49,413
Speaker 17: Service Act in July, saying it's to improve performance management

1341
01:04:49,893 --> 01:04:54,213
Speaker 17: and reinforce merit based appointments. Auckland Airport is adjusting its

1342
01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:58,453
Speaker 17: targeted returns to arrange. The Commerce Commission judges reasonable at

1343
01:04:58,493 --> 01:05:02,413
Speaker 17: its cutting airline passenger charges for two years. Work has

1344
01:05:02,533 --> 01:05:06,213
Speaker 17: finally begun on replacing the East Capes Hikaway Bridge north

1345
01:05:06,253 --> 01:05:09,573
Speaker 17: of Tolliger Bay, two years after was hit by Cyclone

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01:05:09,613 --> 01:05:13,093
Speaker 17: Gabrielle much of the countries and for warm and wet

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01:05:13,173 --> 01:05:16,893
Speaker 17: weather this week, starting in the South Island late tomorrow. Westland,

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01:05:16,933 --> 01:05:19,733
Speaker 17: Gray District, Buller and Nelson will be the worst affected,

1349
01:05:20,093 --> 01:05:22,653
Speaker 17: as well as Tasman and parts of Marlborough and most

1350
01:05:22,693 --> 01:05:26,373
Speaker 17: of the North Island can expect falls on Friday. Audrey

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01:05:26,453 --> 01:05:30,133
Speaker 17: Soninson has been appointed Director General of Health and Ministry

1352
01:05:30,173 --> 01:05:33,853
Speaker 17: of Health Chief Executive Place Hellenstein's profit hit by tough

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01:05:33,933 --> 01:05:34,733
Speaker 17: New Zealand market.

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Speaker 2: Read more at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the

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01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:45,013
Speaker 4: illicit tobacco trade in New Zealand, a lot bigger than

1358
01:05:45,173 --> 01:05:48,973
Speaker 4: certainly on you about a study mentioned it was about

1359
01:05:49,013 --> 01:05:51,733
Speaker 4: twenty five percent of the smoking market in New Zealand,

1360
01:05:52,253 --> 01:05:54,733
Speaker 4: but going via our Texan calls, it seems to be

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01:05:54,893 --> 01:05:55,813
Speaker 4: incredibly prevalent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to get to the bottom of how

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01:05:57,933 --> 01:06:01,613
Speaker 2: much you know that the fines or the penalties or

1364
01:06:01,693 --> 01:06:06,053
Speaker 2: what happens if you get caught selling black market tobacco.

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01:06:06,853 --> 01:06:12,413
Speaker 2: In September twenty twenty for a tobacco shop owner received

1366
01:06:12,853 --> 01:06:16,773
Speaker 2: thirty six thousand dollars fines totaling thirty six thousand dollars

1367
01:06:16,773 --> 01:06:19,133
Speaker 2: falling enforcement and legal action by Health New Zealand and

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01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:23,213
Speaker 2: the Ministry of Health. We've got a Chrystchitch cigar and

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01:06:23,413 --> 01:06:25,853
Speaker 2: it was fine. I'll try and I'll have to break

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01:06:25,893 --> 01:06:28,453
Speaker 2: down this information, but this we'll tell you what the

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01:06:28,533 --> 01:06:31,693
Speaker 2: fines are when we get a chance to go through this. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:06:34,173 --> 01:06:38,093
Speaker 4: to call. Some great texts coming through, Guys. I grow

1374
01:06:38,173 --> 01:06:42,173
Speaker 4: my own tobacco cheap, but tastes like absolute shipe.

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01:06:42,773 --> 01:06:45,413
Speaker 2: That'd be like my home brew. Hey Scott, you also

1376
01:06:45,493 --> 01:06:46,453
Speaker 2: grow your own tobacco.

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01:06:47,453 --> 01:06:49,853
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, and I do it all legally. It's

1378
01:06:50,053 --> 01:06:53,373
Speaker 7: legal to buy the seeds from New Zealand. It's illegal

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01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:55,973
Speaker 7: to sell it, which I don't do. I just want

1380
01:06:55,973 --> 01:06:58,813
Speaker 7: to say that growing your tobacco was really really easy,

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01:06:59,413 --> 01:07:02,013
Speaker 7: and it's really easy to get a good flavor and

1382
01:07:02,133 --> 01:07:04,573
Speaker 7: smoke from it. It's all about currying goods and flavoring

1383
01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 7: it with rum wine, bourbon, with anything you want, really

1384
01:07:10,893 --> 01:07:11,453
Speaker 7: and so.

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01:07:11,773 --> 01:07:14,973
Speaker 2: And then you just roll the just rollies. You roll

1386
01:07:15,013 --> 01:07:16,093
Speaker 2: them up on some zig zags.

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Speaker 7: Is that it's rolley or smoking an old fashioned pipe

1388
01:07:19,373 --> 01:07:23,093
Speaker 7: like an old man or yeah, rollies as well. It

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01:07:23,293 --> 01:07:24,893
Speaker 7: just takes a bit of time and effort. But it's

1390
01:07:24,973 --> 01:07:26,853
Speaker 7: just so easy to grow. So it's one way of

1391
01:07:26,973 --> 01:07:28,133
Speaker 7: not needing to buy cigarettes.

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01:07:28,853 --> 01:07:31,533
Speaker 2: The part of my ignorance here as a previous smoker,

1393
01:07:31,573 --> 01:07:33,333
Speaker 2: but it never been a pipe smoker. Is that is

1394
01:07:33,413 --> 01:07:35,173
Speaker 2: the tobacco you put in a pipe the same as

1395
01:07:35,213 --> 01:07:36,573
Speaker 2: the tobacco you put in a cigarette.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's absolutely the same. I sometimes do get shot

1397
01:07:41,933 --> 01:07:43,693
Speaker 7: brought tobacco just to make it, just to make it

1398
01:07:43,773 --> 01:07:46,613
Speaker 7: turn a little bit better, But it's absolutely the same.

1399
01:07:46,693 --> 01:07:49,373
Speaker 7: It's all just about Unfortunately it's a bit of a process,

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01:07:49,493 --> 01:07:50,373
Speaker 7: but you learn.

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01:07:50,253 --> 01:07:51,133
Speaker 19: It over with time.

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01:07:51,213 --> 01:07:53,893
Speaker 7: It's about you's got to dry it properly and then

1403
01:07:53,973 --> 01:07:55,693
Speaker 7: get a good little flavor and like I said, with

1404
01:07:55,853 --> 01:07:58,573
Speaker 7: rum or wine, just like port Royal or or so

1405
01:07:58,813 --> 01:08:01,253
Speaker 7: whiskey something that I know. But yeah, absolutely the same.

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01:08:01,533 --> 01:08:04,293
Speaker 2: And it's the process involved. So you've got a plant,

1407
01:08:04,693 --> 01:08:07,373
Speaker 2: the tobacco plants, you got to dry them, process them.

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01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:10,533
Speaker 7: So you can buy the seeds online legally he from

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01:08:10,773 --> 01:08:13,613
Speaker 7: trade me or anywhere else perfectly legal to buy and

1410
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:16,293
Speaker 7: then just plants anywhere you want in your garden. It

1411
01:08:16,492 --> 01:08:19,133
Speaker 7: grows so we easily. It literally grows like a weed,

1412
01:08:19,773 --> 01:08:22,532
Speaker 7: and then after a couple of months, you cut it,

1413
01:08:23,133 --> 01:08:25,812
Speaker 7: you hang it, you let it dry out jewey about

1414
01:08:25,853 --> 01:08:28,053
Speaker 7: six to eight weeks, just depending.

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01:08:27,772 --> 01:08:28,133
Speaker 6: On the weather.

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01:08:28,253 --> 01:08:30,852
Speaker 7: And then after that it's favorite longer you leave it

1417
01:08:31,013 --> 01:08:33,572
Speaker 7: better to smoke. But yeah, it's really really easy and

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01:08:33,692 --> 01:08:34,492
Speaker 7: really really simple.

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01:08:34,772 --> 01:08:38,412
Speaker 4: And John mentioned before that it hits the lungs pretty hard.

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01:08:38,572 --> 01:08:41,053
Speaker 4: Is that is that the case with your stuff or

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01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:42,412
Speaker 4: you feel a bit more to it.

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01:08:44,293 --> 01:08:46,572
Speaker 12: Yeah, it wasn't the in the beginning, but you can

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01:08:46,692 --> 01:08:49,652
Speaker 12: go online and YouTube. There's so many people up there

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01:08:49,692 --> 01:08:52,293
Speaker 12: that are doing it across the world, and it's just

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01:08:52,412 --> 01:08:55,492
Speaker 12: about getting a good process of curing and being patient

1426
01:08:55,572 --> 01:08:58,173
Speaker 12: with it. But once you get your routine going, like

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Speaker 12: it's like it's been a picture of my garden. I've

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01:09:00,133 --> 01:09:03,173
Speaker 12: literally cut about fifty tobacco part about six flot high

1429
01:09:03,293 --> 01:09:04,092
Speaker 12: in the front garden.

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01:09:04,412 --> 01:09:08,173
Speaker 2: Hey, so, Scott, obviously smoking tobacco not great for you

1431
01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:12,772
Speaker 2: as as well known famously are you. It doesn't sound

1432
01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:14,852
Speaker 2: like you're trying to give up smoking if you're spending

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01:09:14,853 --> 01:09:16,132
Speaker 2: a lot of time growing.

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01:09:16,893 --> 01:09:20,852
Speaker 7: Smoking is absolutely bad for you. And I really encourage

1435
01:09:20,853 --> 01:09:23,452
Speaker 7: people don't smoke. But there's a lot of people like

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01:09:23,612 --> 01:09:28,173
Speaker 7: me who are you know, forty fifty sixty older who

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01:09:28,253 --> 01:09:31,372
Speaker 7: smoked all their lives and to prosecute them with higher

1438
01:09:31,452 --> 01:09:35,092
Speaker 7: taxes when when they're clearly addicted, it's a health issue.

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01:09:35,133 --> 01:09:37,213
Speaker 7: It's not a it shouldn't be a tax issue, right,

1440
01:09:37,692 --> 01:09:42,133
Speaker 7: So very of addictive smoked for forty fifty years, is

1441
01:09:42,173 --> 01:09:44,812
Speaker 7: it really said? You know, we're taxing them so much

1442
01:09:44,893 --> 01:09:48,092
Speaker 7: money and prosecuting a poor you know, old Penchner who's

1443
01:09:48,133 --> 01:09:51,973
Speaker 7: seventy smoked for sixty years, fifty years, and you know

1444
01:09:52,093 --> 01:09:54,612
Speaker 7: taking their money from them is like, what can you

1445
01:09:54,692 --> 01:09:55,612
Speaker 7: do if you're an addict?

1446
01:09:55,652 --> 01:09:56,213
Speaker 19: You're an apict?

1447
01:09:56,293 --> 01:10:00,772
Speaker 2: Right, So, Scotty, do you sell any of your of

1448
01:10:00,893 --> 01:10:02,933
Speaker 2: any of the cigarettes that you know, the tobacco that

1449
01:10:02,973 --> 01:10:05,452
Speaker 2: you grow, Scotty's, Scotty's lungbusters or anything.

1450
01:10:06,692 --> 01:10:07,173
Speaker 6: Sorry say that?

1451
01:10:07,293 --> 01:10:07,772
Speaker 7: What the question?

1452
01:10:07,893 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 6: Do I sell it?

1453
01:10:08,652 --> 01:10:08,852
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1454
01:10:09,973 --> 01:10:13,532
Speaker 2: Absolutely not not Yeah, fair enough, that's too far, all right,

1455
01:10:13,612 --> 01:10:14,492
Speaker 2: just chicking, just chicking.

1456
01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:15,973
Speaker 7: That's not true too.

1457
01:10:16,053 --> 01:10:17,012
Speaker 12: I definitely don't.

1458
01:10:17,253 --> 01:10:20,412
Speaker 7: It's awful for me and ye, yeah, all.

1459
01:10:20,372 --> 01:10:22,812
Speaker 2: Right, I thank you so much, Scott. There, very interesting.

1460
01:10:22,853 --> 01:10:24,732
Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot today.

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01:10:24,772 --> 01:10:26,933
Speaker 4: Heck yeah, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1462
01:10:26,973 --> 01:10:29,053
Speaker 4: the number to call love to hear from you that

1463
01:10:29,213 --> 01:10:30,213
Speaker 4: this this person.

1464
01:10:30,293 --> 01:10:33,253
Speaker 2: Brian says, given smoking kills five thousand people a year

1465
01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:35,253
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, why would you have a conversation about

1466
01:10:35,253 --> 01:10:39,173
Speaker 2: people growing their own et cetera. It's pathetic supporting more

1467
01:10:39,253 --> 01:10:42,093
Speaker 2: disease and death. That's from Brian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Brian, like,

1468
01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:48,092
Speaker 2: we should never talk about anything of that's dangerous because

1469
01:10:48,293 --> 01:10:50,732
Speaker 2: people are so vulnerable. Just hearing someone talking about it

1470
01:10:50,933 --> 01:10:53,652
Speaker 2: is going to make them suddenly start smoking.

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01:10:53,772 --> 01:10:53,972
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:10:54,093 --> 01:10:56,812
Speaker 2: Apparently people drink alcohol out there to do that. Yeah, apparently,

1473
01:10:57,173 --> 01:10:59,572
Speaker 2: how crazy is that? That's disgusting, isn't it. Wait till

1474
01:10:59,612 --> 01:11:00,572
Speaker 2: Brian finds out about that.

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01:11:00,732 --> 01:11:03,293
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1476
01:11:03,372 --> 01:11:04,812
Speaker 4: It is sixteen to three.

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01:11:06,333 --> 01:11:09,772
Speaker 1: Matty Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

1478
01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:14,092
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety attention

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01:11:14,213 --> 01:11:16,812
Speaker 1: to details and a commitment to comfort news talks.

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01:11:16,853 --> 01:11:19,773
Speaker 4: They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is thirteen

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01:11:20,013 --> 01:11:20,652
Speaker 4: to three.

1482
01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:23,492
Speaker 2: Gents. It's so easy to get anything thiss in New Zealand.

1483
01:11:23,652 --> 01:11:26,652
Speaker 2: Go do a one day course approved by MPI and

1484
01:11:26,732 --> 01:11:29,692
Speaker 2: get certified as an accredited person. This authorizes you to

1485
01:11:29,772 --> 01:11:35,133
Speaker 2: inspect open and containers. There are plenty of gang members

1486
01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:37,692
Speaker 2: who are such authorized. The GVT is more interested in

1487
01:11:37,772 --> 01:11:44,692
Speaker 2: biosecurity than the importation of illicit goods such as Siggy's. Yes, Sean, Doug,

1488
01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon? Get a doug Doggy, Douggy,

1489
01:11:51,372 --> 01:11:55,972
Speaker 2: Dougie Doggie? Ain't there? Okay, let's go to Neville. Hi, mate,

1490
01:11:56,173 --> 01:11:57,333
Speaker 2: how are how are your bunny?

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01:11:57,412 --> 01:11:57,572
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:11:57,612 --> 01:11:59,333
Speaker 13: Hey, I'm part of the story.

1493
01:11:59,412 --> 01:11:59,572
Speaker 24: You know.

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01:11:59,933 --> 01:12:03,173
Speaker 13: My sister works in a cigarette shop in Australia and

1495
01:12:03,412 --> 01:12:06,412
Speaker 13: New South Wales and it's owned by the Bendidos and

1496
01:12:06,532 --> 01:12:10,372
Speaker 13: that's all they sell is the illegal imported tobacco and

1497
01:12:10,812 --> 01:12:13,372
Speaker 13: smokes from throwing her in that. You know, well, every

1498
01:12:13,492 --> 01:12:15,732
Speaker 13: night on TV over there, you've got the articles about

1499
01:12:15,772 --> 01:12:17,492
Speaker 13: the government of clamping down on it and all the

1500
01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:20,333
Speaker 13: sort of thing. Well she's got she's got police coming

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01:12:20,412 --> 01:12:23,132
Speaker 13: into the shop and bike cigarettes and all that. It's

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01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:26,732
Speaker 13: a normal at the normal shop in the middle of town. Now,

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01:12:27,412 --> 01:12:30,333
Speaker 13: also over the you have the Commentero's also own the

1504
01:12:30,372 --> 01:12:32,173
Speaker 13: cigarette shops, and every now and then they have a

1505
01:12:32,213 --> 01:12:34,452
Speaker 13: bit of a rumble and they burn each other out

1506
01:12:35,053 --> 01:12:37,372
Speaker 13: right down in Sydney, down in Sydney more than that

1507
01:12:37,492 --> 01:12:38,013
Speaker 13: where she is.

1508
01:12:38,532 --> 01:12:39,452
Speaker 6: And I said, what if they.

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01:12:39,412 --> 01:12:40,293
Speaker 23: Burned out, she's the world.

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01:12:40,293 --> 01:12:41,772
Speaker 13: It doesn't really matter because I don't be there in

1511
01:12:41,812 --> 01:12:42,412
Speaker 13: the middle of the night.

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01:12:44,532 --> 01:12:47,773
Speaker 2: So you're saying that they've got going. So the Bandido

1513
01:12:47,893 --> 01:12:53,732
Speaker 2: is the famous motorcycle gang. They actually own own the shop. Yeah,

1514
01:12:53,893 --> 01:12:55,732
Speaker 2: and what kind of what kind of shop is it?

1515
01:12:55,812 --> 01:12:58,293
Speaker 13: It's a cigarette shop, cigarette shop shop, right, And so

1516
01:12:58,812 --> 01:12:59,733
Speaker 13: there's themselves.

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01:13:00,213 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 2: So they have some legit cigarettes on the shelf, but

1518
01:13:05,333 --> 01:13:07,933
Speaker 2: they're mainly just moving black market.

1519
01:13:07,812 --> 01:13:11,572
Speaker 13: Mainly just that it's not so much black market, that's

1520
01:13:11,572 --> 01:13:12,133
Speaker 13: what she says.

1521
01:13:12,333 --> 01:13:13,572
Speaker 6: She said, it's not even hidden.

1522
01:13:13,973 --> 01:13:15,973
Speaker 13: She said the police come in and buy the cigarette,

1523
01:13:16,093 --> 01:13:18,333
Speaker 13: you know that sort of thing. She she buys a

1524
01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:20,933
Speaker 13: kilo bag of the rough stuff and she takes it

1525
01:13:21,053 --> 01:13:24,013
Speaker 13: home and puts it in the old ninjabullet machine with

1526
01:13:24,173 --> 01:13:26,173
Speaker 13: some normal good stuff and a bit of bourbon and

1527
01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:28,772
Speaker 13: spins it all up and then drives it to make

1528
01:13:28,812 --> 01:13:32,452
Speaker 13: herself a better quality smoke. But other than that, it's

1529
01:13:32,492 --> 01:13:34,652
Speaker 13: free as a bitch, you know, she said. It's just

1530
01:13:34,853 --> 01:13:37,013
Speaker 13: you've got the government saying, oh, they're clamping down on it.

1531
01:13:37,053 --> 01:13:38,372
Speaker 6: They're going to do this, and they're going to do that.

1532
01:13:38,572 --> 01:13:41,972
Speaker 13: She said, our shops open every day that if they want.

1533
01:13:42,492 --> 01:13:44,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the only place to worre where cigarettes are

1534
01:13:44,732 --> 01:13:47,293
Speaker 2: more expensive than they are in New Zealand as Australia,

1535
01:13:47,412 --> 01:13:51,173
Speaker 2: I believe, incredibly expensive over there is your sister, okay

1536
01:13:51,333 --> 01:13:54,372
Speaker 2: working for the bandidos. Is she she worried about safety

1537
01:13:54,532 --> 01:13:54,972
Speaker 2: or yeah?

1538
01:13:55,572 --> 01:13:58,452
Speaker 13: No, no, she said, there's completely said. She said, if

1539
01:13:58,492 --> 01:13:59,932
Speaker 13: it's going to burn down, it's going to burn down

1540
01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:02,612
Speaker 13: in the middle of the night, you know. But that's

1541
01:14:02,853 --> 01:14:04,452
Speaker 13: she's up in the back of the Gold Coast. But

1542
01:14:05,572 --> 01:14:07,253
Speaker 13: the ones that are burning down, the ones that are

1543
01:14:07,293 --> 01:14:10,372
Speaker 13: brawling and all that are more down Sydney Melbourne Bandidos

1544
01:14:10,372 --> 01:14:11,892
Speaker 13: and the Commenteros having a little.

1545
01:14:11,692 --> 01:14:14,852
Speaker 4: Bit of an argument fire bombing over tobacco. I mean,

1546
01:14:15,093 --> 01:14:16,092
Speaker 4: well it is serious.

1547
01:14:16,133 --> 01:14:19,013
Speaker 2: Well, when it gets up to the fifty dollars for

1548
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:21,772
Speaker 2: a pack of twenty five, then it becomes, you know,

1549
01:14:21,812 --> 01:14:23,172
Speaker 2: a lucrative business for criminals.

1550
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:26,972
Speaker 4: Exactly, fascinating chats. Right now it is ten to three.

1551
01:14:27,732 --> 01:14:31,053
Speaker 1: Win an authentic Pacific getaway like no other thanks to

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01:14:31,253 --> 01:14:36,812
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1553
01:14:36,973 --> 01:14:38,053
Speaker 1: issues that affect you.

1554
01:14:38,372 --> 01:14:39,852
Speaker 3: And a bit of fun along the way.

1555
01:14:40,093 --> 01:14:44,012
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty Innovation,

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01:14:44,253 --> 01:14:47,093
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1557
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Speaker 1: when an authentic Pacific getaway like no other. Thankston, New

1558
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1559
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Speaker 4: Right, we've got a trip for four to New Way

1560
01:15:00,053 --> 01:15:03,892
Speaker 4: two B one crystal clear waters, friendly, welcoming people, warm days.

1561
01:15:04,293 --> 01:15:06,053
Speaker 2: It'll be wonderful. What's not to like?

1562
01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,133
Speaker 4: But first we need to find the answer to to

1563
01:15:08,452 --> 01:15:14,573
Speaker 4: day's question for five hundred bucks cash. Emily, Good afternoon, afternoon,

1564
01:15:15,173 --> 01:15:15,892
Speaker 4: how are you feeling.

1565
01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:20,972
Speaker 2: I'm nervous, You're nervous, Okay, Emily, this outworks. So I'll

1566
01:15:21,013 --> 01:15:23,452
Speaker 2: ask the question and you've got five seconds to answer it,

1567
01:15:23,492 --> 01:15:25,532
Speaker 2: and if you get it correct, you get five hundred bucks.

1568
01:15:25,532 --> 01:15:27,532
Speaker 2: If you get wrong, we go into the next person. Okay,

1569
01:15:27,652 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 2: you ready, okay, all right, all right, here we go,

1570
01:15:32,732 --> 01:15:36,293
Speaker 2: Emily for five hundred dollars. Which island is larger? Beautiful?

1571
01:15:36,372 --> 01:15:38,293
Speaker 2: New A or Raratonga.

1572
01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:42,692
Speaker 22: Is larger?

1573
01:15:44,853 --> 01:15:48,532
Speaker 2: So sorry, Emily. It's going to make it very easy

1574
01:15:48,612 --> 01:15:50,893
Speaker 2: for the next caller. This is going to make it

1575
01:15:51,173 --> 01:15:53,093
Speaker 2: very very easy for the We should have done. We

1576
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:57,293
Speaker 2: should have done at least multi joye. Greg. Hello, yeah, good,

1577
01:15:58,093 --> 01:16:00,933
Speaker 2: Now you're about to stand on the shoulder of a

1578
01:16:01,013 --> 01:16:06,692
Speaker 2: giant Greg for five hundred dollars. Which island is larger? Beautiful,

1579
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:07,973
Speaker 2: New A or Raratonga?

1580
01:16:08,812 --> 01:16:09,252
Speaker 6: Beautiful?

1581
01:16:12,093 --> 01:16:14,093
Speaker 2: What's four times the size? In fact?

1582
01:16:14,933 --> 01:16:15,173
Speaker 16: Greg?

1583
01:16:15,893 --> 01:16:17,852
Speaker 2: And you've won yourself five hundred dollars. What are you

1584
01:16:17,853 --> 01:16:18,612
Speaker 2: gonna do with the cash?

1585
01:16:18,652 --> 01:16:18,892
Speaker 23: Greg?

1586
01:16:19,812 --> 01:16:21,532
Speaker 13: I think go on the trap for sure.

1587
01:16:21,732 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, where would you go for five hundred bucks? Yeah,

1588
01:16:25,253 --> 01:16:29,132
Speaker 4: that's some good speeding money. You had some good spinning money, exactly, exactly,

1589
01:16:29,213 --> 01:16:30,852
Speaker 4: Well well done, and we'll put you in the drawer

1590
01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:33,972
Speaker 4: as well for that grand prize and that is our

1591
01:16:34,053 --> 01:16:36,532
Speaker 4: five hundred dollars winner for today. We'll do it all

1592
01:16:36,612 --> 01:16:39,492
Speaker 4: again tomorrow and now you've got today's answer, you just

1593
01:16:39,572 --> 01:16:42,852
Speaker 4: need to head to Newstalk zb dot co dot dot

1594
01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:45,493
Speaker 4: enz and submit that answer to be in for Friday's

1595
01:16:45,652 --> 01:16:49,213
Speaker 4: grand prize drawer and that amazing prize thanks to New

1596
01:16:49,333 --> 01:16:52,893
Speaker 4: A Island Flights for four seven nights accommodation excursions a

1597
01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:54,733
Speaker 4: real Pacific Island adventure.

1598
01:16:55,093 --> 01:16:58,253
Speaker 2: Fantastic, and come back tomorrow for another opportunity to win

1599
01:16:58,372 --> 01:16:59,133
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks.

1600
01:16:59,412 --> 01:17:03,732
Speaker 4: Absolutely, right after three o'clock, we are going to pick

1601
01:17:03,812 --> 01:17:06,933
Speaker 4: back up this tobacco conversation because we've had such a

1602
01:17:07,053 --> 01:17:11,293
Speaker 4: response about a legal black market tobacco, so we want

1603
01:17:11,333 --> 01:17:13,852
Speaker 4: to hear your stories on one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1604
01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:16,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk about purpose in life after

1605
01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:19,412
Speaker 2: Joe Parker's talk this morning, but we might stay with

1606
01:17:19,812 --> 01:17:22,133
Speaker 2: SIGs just a bit longer. You know, everybody wants a

1607
01:17:22,173 --> 01:17:26,013
Speaker 2: chattab the opposite of purpose in life. Oh, one hundred and.

1608
01:17:25,973 --> 01:17:28,133
Speaker 4: Eighty ten eighty C number to cor News Sport and

1609
01:17:28,253 --> 01:17:30,532
Speaker 4: where they're coming up. Very surely you're listening to Matton Tyler.

1610
01:17:30,732 --> 01:17:38,012
Speaker 4: Great to have your company is always good afternoon, Lacy.

1611
01:17:39,973 --> 01:17:41,612
Speaker 3: The person.

1612
01:17:44,372 --> 01:17:49,452
Speaker 25: Is this that see? I guess I'm working there because

1613
01:17:49,532 --> 01:17:54,412
Speaker 25: I'm a singer. Oh, it looks so cute about Joe.

1614
01:17:54,412 --> 01:18:00,093
Speaker 26: My man last so often.

1615
01:18:03,572 --> 01:18:10,173
Speaker 25: This column stop button drinking you for your concussion, not

1616
01:18:10,372 --> 01:18:17,333
Speaker 25: person for your unknown nothing too for yours. I cope

1617
01:18:18,013 --> 01:18:24,213
Speaker 25: for your lesson, got enough for your nice thinking about me.

1618
01:18:24,572 --> 01:18:26,612
Speaker 3: And I love So that's fair.

1619
01:18:26,853 --> 01:18:32,053
Speaker 26: I saw so you can say we are th mispisode

1620
01:18:32,893 --> 01:18:38,533
Speaker 26: that add to get alignment to know so you can sleep.

1621
01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:41,892
Speaker 2: To be unknown that these episode.

1622
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:47,452
Speaker 27: Think amound me all that's sweet. So you can sleep

1623
01:18:47,732 --> 01:18:55,213
Speaker 27: Berenice than this episode do love to alignment to those

1624
01:18:55,732 --> 01:18:56,852
Speaker 27: so you can see.

1625
01:18:58,372 --> 01:19:03,572
Speaker 2: That nest episode. So that's sweet.

1626
01:19:03,772 --> 01:19:04,333
Speaker 25: Like is so.

1627
01:19:07,333 --> 01:19:07,973
Speaker 21: That's not me?

1628
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:14,652
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk, It's Mattie

1629
01:19:14,893 --> 01:19:18,852
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC Nighty on

1630
01:19:19,053 --> 01:19:20,012
Speaker 1: News Talk SEV.

1631
01:19:20,893 --> 01:19:23,892
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show, seven past three

1632
01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:27,212
Speaker 4: and having a great discussion about black market tobacco.

1633
01:19:27,532 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually blowing my mind the people we've talked

1634
01:19:30,253 --> 01:19:33,453
Speaker 2: to how easy it is to buy black market cigarettes.

1635
01:19:34,053 --> 01:19:38,732
Speaker 2: But you know, there is some serious risks just looking

1636
01:19:38,772 --> 01:19:41,532
Speaker 2: at the story here from September last year. A discount

1637
01:19:41,652 --> 01:19:44,132
Speaker 2: vape and tobacco shop owner as well as a cigar

1638
01:19:44,293 --> 01:19:47,333
Speaker 2: shop and its owner have received fines totaling thirty six

1639
01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:52,692
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. There was a christ Each cigar shop that

1640
01:19:52,973 --> 01:19:55,893
Speaker 2: was fined twenty eight thousand dollars after eight breeches of

1641
01:19:55,973 --> 01:20:00,373
Speaker 2: smock smoke free Environment regulations, the owner of an employee,

1642
01:20:01,013 --> 01:20:03,173
Speaker 2: the owner and an employee of a discount specialist befind

1643
01:20:03,173 --> 01:20:06,772
Speaker 2: a total of eight thousand dollars for supplying tobacco products,

1644
01:20:07,293 --> 01:20:10,172
Speaker 2: and a christ Each Grea was fined fifty six thousand

1645
01:20:10,173 --> 01:20:14,012
Speaker 2: dollars in August. So very fine. There's some big fines

1646
01:20:14,053 --> 01:20:17,492
Speaker 2: around not following the laws around tobacco.

1647
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:21,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we put a request into ASH, which is

1648
01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:24,253
Speaker 4: the Action for Smoke Free Organization, just to try and

1649
01:20:24,293 --> 01:20:26,613
Speaker 4: give us a heads up on what the actual legislation

1650
01:20:26,772 --> 01:20:29,412
Speaker 4: says when it comes to selling illicit tobacco, and I'll

1651
01:20:29,452 --> 01:20:31,612
Speaker 4: just read out what they've sent back to us. An

1652
01:20:31,692 --> 01:20:35,213
Speaker 4: individual small business selling illicit packs can be fined up

1653
01:20:35,253 --> 01:20:38,412
Speaker 4: to four hundred dollars with an infringement notice. Although I'd

1654
01:20:38,452 --> 01:20:41,852
Speaker 4: point out that almost all customs enforcement is focused on

1655
01:20:42,013 --> 01:20:45,372
Speaker 4: borders and import, not local level supply. A challenge with

1656
01:20:45,452 --> 01:20:48,133
Speaker 4: local supplier is that anyone can sell tobacco if they

1657
01:20:48,173 --> 01:20:51,692
Speaker 4: comply with laws on display and sign its. Most local

1658
01:20:51,772 --> 01:20:54,572
Speaker 4: infringement is selling to minors or breaking down packs to

1659
01:20:54,612 --> 01:20:58,092
Speaker 4: sell individual cigarettes with some evidence of selling non duty

1660
01:20:58,213 --> 01:21:01,213
Speaker 4: paid or loose homegrow in tobacco. Most of the big

1661
01:21:01,293 --> 01:21:04,413
Speaker 4: penalties are brought down by customs.

1662
01:21:05,053 --> 01:21:07,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting because these ones that I'm talking

1663
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:11,732
Speaker 2: about here, like the cigarette and Cigar and Tobacco Shop

1664
01:21:12,213 --> 01:21:14,452
Speaker 2: in christ which it's twenty eight thousand foot eight breaches

1665
01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:17,412
Speaker 2: of Smoke Free Environments and Regulated Products Acts. The breeches

1666
01:21:17,452 --> 01:21:22,692
Speaker 2: related to selling, labeling and advertising of cigars. So get

1667
01:21:22,732 --> 01:21:24,772
Speaker 2: cigars out of their Cigars are fun, There's no problem

1668
01:21:24,812 --> 01:21:26,933
Speaker 2: with cigars. Yeah, I can't believe cigars are included and

1669
01:21:26,933 --> 01:21:30,612
Speaker 2: all this let's how you celebrate Yeah absolutely, I've celebrated

1670
01:21:30,652 --> 01:21:32,732
Speaker 2: both my kids with cigars. Yeah right, it's a nice

1671
01:21:32,772 --> 01:21:35,572
Speaker 2: thing to do. Yeah. But anyway, so these aren't actually

1672
01:21:35,692 --> 01:21:38,053
Speaker 2: for selling black This information I've been handed as nothing

1673
01:21:38,093 --> 01:21:42,452
Speaker 2: to do with black markets selling. So I'll can I

1674
01:21:42,532 --> 01:21:43,652
Speaker 2: go back in time and not read that out?

1675
01:21:43,732 --> 01:21:43,892
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1676
01:21:43,933 --> 01:21:47,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's scratched off. Can we you know, stricken

1677
01:21:47,572 --> 01:21:49,293
Speaker 2: that from the record. Yeah, we can reset that.

1678
01:21:50,412 --> 01:21:52,892
Speaker 4: And I've got some information here about what the finds

1679
01:21:52,933 --> 01:21:54,532
Speaker 4: are at the custom level as well, which will get

1680
01:21:54,572 --> 01:21:56,013
Speaker 4: into very shortly. But we want to hear from you.

1681
01:21:56,133 --> 01:21:59,333
Speaker 4: I eight hundred eighty Doug.

1682
01:21:59,532 --> 01:22:01,013
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on illicit cigarettes?

1683
01:22:02,652 --> 01:22:02,973
Speaker 6: Love it?

1684
01:22:03,933 --> 01:22:07,572
Speaker 2: You love them? Straight straight out the gate? Be smoking

1685
01:22:07,652 --> 01:22:12,652
Speaker 2: since my mother's since your mother's womb, that would have

1686
01:22:12,692 --> 01:22:18,093
Speaker 2: been yeah, yeah, my father was half us, right, and

1687
01:22:18,333 --> 01:22:22,652
Speaker 2: so did you? Were they black market cigarettes? You're smoking

1688
01:22:22,692 --> 01:22:25,372
Speaker 2: your mother's room or were they you know, Peter Stuyvesant

1689
01:22:25,452 --> 01:22:25,972
Speaker 2: or something.

1690
01:22:27,013 --> 01:22:29,293
Speaker 22: Couldn't tell you. I believe that they were approximately a

1691
01:22:29,372 --> 01:22:31,532
Speaker 22: dollar seventy four. They wan up to two dollars seventy five,

1692
01:22:33,213 --> 01:22:34,452
Speaker 22: twenty five working.

1693
01:22:35,652 --> 01:22:37,572
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's interesting. You say that because I locked

1694
01:22:37,612 --> 01:22:41,652
Speaker 2: up before. What a packet of twenty Peter Stuyvesant's were

1695
01:22:41,732 --> 01:22:44,652
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and nineteen seventy one? A packet of twenties? Yeah,

1696
01:22:44,893 --> 01:22:48,892
Speaker 2: forty five cents, forty five forty five even with inflation,

1697
01:22:49,013 --> 01:22:50,253
Speaker 2: what would that be about five bucks?

1698
01:22:50,293 --> 01:22:50,812
Speaker 22: It will take?

1699
01:22:51,013 --> 01:22:51,173
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1700
01:22:51,612 --> 01:22:52,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, good times?

1701
01:22:52,612 --> 01:22:52,973
Speaker 19: All right?

1702
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:54,253
Speaker 2: Think of you a call, Doug.

1703
01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:57,052
Speaker 22: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I haven't finished.

1704
01:22:57,053 --> 01:22:58,532
Speaker 22: I've got I've got a good Christian for you.

1705
01:22:58,732 --> 01:22:58,972
Speaker 2: Okay.

1706
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:00,612
Speaker 22: Do you have ation fu of use?

1707
01:23:00,893 --> 01:23:01,093
Speaker 6: Yes?

1708
01:23:01,253 --> 01:23:01,412
Speaker 13: Yes?

1709
01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:04,772
Speaker 22: Can you peace? Pipe and Siggi's world just pipe it

1710
01:23:04,893 --> 01:23:07,012
Speaker 22: on please right speaking the truth?

1711
01:23:08,492 --> 01:23:12,173
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yes, and there's a come up yep, sisworld

1712
01:23:12,293 --> 01:23:12,652
Speaker 2: dot c.

1713
01:23:12,933 --> 01:23:17,932
Speaker 22: H caperin yep, yep. Tap it in and go to products. Yeah,

1714
01:23:18,133 --> 01:23:22,492
Speaker 22: here we go, okay, product and we'll start off at whole.

1715
01:23:22,532 --> 01:23:24,972
Speaker 2: You own your own, right yep.

1716
01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:28,293
Speaker 22: Okay. The first packet you'll see will be forty gram

1717
01:23:28,412 --> 01:23:29,652
Speaker 22: for proximate food dollars eighty.

1718
01:23:29,973 --> 01:23:32,772
Speaker 2: Yep, you get that royal bourbon shag tobacco for forty gram.

1719
01:23:33,732 --> 01:23:36,213
Speaker 22: No, you can buy drum everything. I preferred to fifty

1720
01:23:36,253 --> 01:23:39,492
Speaker 22: grands for four dollars eighty feet dollars eighty. So hanging

1721
01:23:39,532 --> 01:23:41,293
Speaker 22: on with two packets a week. So you have the

1722
01:23:41,372 --> 01:23:42,452
Speaker 22: two packets a week and.

1723
01:23:42,532 --> 01:23:43,652
Speaker 5: You just ordered them legal.

1724
01:23:44,213 --> 01:23:46,732
Speaker 3: It's legal online, of course it is.

1725
01:23:47,013 --> 01:23:47,933
Speaker 2: It's not legal.

1726
01:23:47,692 --> 01:23:49,852
Speaker 22: Otherwise I wouldn't give him. You know, as long as

1727
01:23:49,933 --> 01:23:52,973
Speaker 22: you don't purchase more than two packets. Wrong, as you

1728
01:23:53,013 --> 01:23:55,293
Speaker 22: don't purchase more than two packets. They come through customs

1729
01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:58,972
Speaker 22: in a cigar box because under the under the bacco lords,

1730
01:23:58,973 --> 01:24:01,412
Speaker 22: the cigar has the government at a certain weight and

1731
01:24:01,612 --> 01:24:04,772
Speaker 22: and percentage. And as long as long as you don't

1732
01:24:04,853 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 22: order more than two packets of tailor mades or volume own,

1733
01:24:08,772 --> 01:24:10,932
Speaker 22: you'll get it. And you'll be paying now around forty

1734
01:24:10,973 --> 01:24:13,213
Speaker 22: dollars for two fifty grams, which is one hundred and

1735
01:24:13,253 --> 01:24:15,372
Speaker 22: forty nine dollars that they can say, so you save

1736
01:24:15,452 --> 01:24:16,213
Speaker 22: in a couple of dollars.

1737
01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:19,972
Speaker 2: So Royal Bom and Jagg Tobacco, it's five stars. It's

1738
01:24:19,973 --> 01:24:22,092
Speaker 2: got five stars at Sigy World three dollars.

1739
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:26,173
Speaker 22: Eighty these, yes, sir, and I speak the truth. That's

1740
01:24:26,173 --> 01:24:28,892
Speaker 22: why I asked you a question first, right, and yeah,

1741
01:24:29,213 --> 01:24:31,252
Speaker 22: well the way I say it, okay, if a politician

1742
01:24:31,333 --> 01:24:32,772
Speaker 22: can go into the Bee High because it's not a

1743
01:24:33,053 --> 01:24:36,333
Speaker 22: public land a public bar and smoke a cigarette and

1744
01:24:36,372 --> 01:24:40,572
Speaker 22: a bar, well I feel that's actually that's actually one

1745
01:24:40,692 --> 01:24:42,052
Speaker 22: to the average New Zealand.

1746
01:24:42,093 --> 01:24:42,253
Speaker 6: Though.

1747
01:24:42,532 --> 01:24:45,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think you know what confused us is.

1748
01:24:46,053 --> 01:24:47,852
Speaker 2: You know, you may speak the truth, but you did

1749
01:24:47,893 --> 01:24:49,452
Speaker 2: start off by saying that you were smoking in your

1750
01:24:49,492 --> 01:24:51,852
Speaker 2: mum's wormb So, so Doug, you got to see that.

1751
01:24:51,893 --> 01:24:53,452
Speaker 2: They concuse me me.

1752
01:24:54,372 --> 01:24:56,452
Speaker 22: No, no, it is the truth because we're talking aback

1753
01:24:56,452 --> 01:24:58,213
Speaker 22: to ninety seven. Is my mother had her first hold

1754
01:24:58,213 --> 01:24:59,333
Speaker 22: in ninety fifty six.

1755
01:24:59,612 --> 01:24:59,692
Speaker 1: And.

1756
01:25:02,372 --> 01:25:06,093
Speaker 22: I've got younger brothers, and I noticed the reasons why

1757
01:25:06,213 --> 01:25:12,133
Speaker 22: my mother smote when she was pregnant, right, yeah. My

1758
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:15,052
Speaker 22: mother never told her life, never touched a drug anything

1759
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:19,213
Speaker 22: like that. She was a genuine New Zealand though. And yes,

1760
01:25:19,372 --> 01:25:20,973
Speaker 22: you see, but i'd just like, you know, I know

1761
01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:24,372
Speaker 22: that we have the information because the conversations you are

1762
01:25:24,372 --> 01:25:26,492
Speaker 22: having on the radio before was but I don't know,

1763
01:25:26,973 --> 01:25:30,013
Speaker 22: it's the same Christians and you're expecting a different you know.

1764
01:25:30,452 --> 01:25:33,492
Speaker 22: It was the guy bit boring because everybody knows about these.

1765
01:25:35,293 --> 01:25:37,133
Speaker 2: Neither, you know, Doug didn't get boring for me. I

1766
01:25:37,293 --> 01:25:40,253
Speaker 2: was absolutely stimulated. I did not know how easy it

1767
01:25:40,412 --> 01:25:42,972
Speaker 2: was to buy a black market cigarettes, yeah in New Zealand.

1768
01:25:43,053 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry if you were bored, Doug. But I

1769
01:25:45,933 --> 01:25:46,492
Speaker 2: was fizzing.

1770
01:25:46,572 --> 01:25:46,812
Speaker 6: I was.

1771
01:25:47,213 --> 01:25:49,053
Speaker 2: I was jumping around in my seat like a like

1772
01:25:49,612 --> 01:25:50,333
Speaker 2: a jumping bean.

1773
01:25:50,452 --> 01:25:52,612
Speaker 22: Tell the New Jellanders how to actually confuse the police.

1774
01:25:52,652 --> 01:25:52,932
Speaker 6: They can't.

1775
01:25:53,093 --> 01:25:55,053
Speaker 22: What you do is you buy the long packets of

1776
01:25:55,452 --> 01:25:58,652
Speaker 22: the cigarettes from pack and Sabre Dairy and then you

1777
01:25:58,732 --> 01:26:01,052
Speaker 22: put your Chinese packets and you're and they're touching you perfectly,

1778
01:26:01,093 --> 01:26:02,213
Speaker 22: and you just take the top off and when you

1779
01:26:02,253 --> 01:26:03,972
Speaker 22: open up the packet they look look like a packet

1780
01:26:04,053 --> 01:26:05,892
Speaker 22: of cigarettes. You buy from pack and saving a piece

1781
01:26:05,933 --> 01:26:07,293
Speaker 22: and go have a good day to here.

1782
01:26:08,612 --> 01:26:09,973
Speaker 2: Well, thank you U. It's a good time for some

1783
01:26:10,053 --> 01:26:10,692
Speaker 2: people out there now.

1784
01:26:10,692 --> 01:26:13,532
Speaker 4: I don't want to challenge Doug's legal background, but I'm

1785
01:26:13,692 --> 01:26:15,652
Speaker 4: just gonna venture to have a looking at this website.

1786
01:26:15,692 --> 01:26:18,772
Speaker 4: I don't think it is legal at all to be

1787
01:26:19,093 --> 01:26:22,293
Speaker 4: ordering these packs of cigarettes from a website that is

1788
01:26:22,333 --> 01:26:24,732
Speaker 4: based in Europe, even if it is two packs. You know,

1789
01:26:24,772 --> 01:26:26,772
Speaker 4: if customs find that, they're well within their right to

1790
01:26:26,853 --> 01:26:29,012
Speaker 4: just take that and say noop, you're not having.

1791
01:26:28,893 --> 01:26:32,732
Speaker 2: That three dollars ninety for some mulbur red like I'm

1792
01:26:32,772 --> 01:26:36,612
Speaker 2: going to look into Ciggi World, but I'm suspicious of

1793
01:26:36,692 --> 01:26:38,532
Speaker 2: Sigi World at this point. But thank you so much

1794
01:26:38,532 --> 01:26:39,133
Speaker 2: for you called Doug.

1795
01:26:39,253 --> 01:26:41,372
Speaker 4: Yep, oh, eight hundred, ay ten and eighty is the

1796
01:26:41,492 --> 01:26:43,612
Speaker 4: number to call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. And

1797
01:26:43,772 --> 01:26:47,013
Speaker 4: if you are buying black market tobacco, how easy is

1798
01:26:47,053 --> 01:26:48,652
Speaker 4: it to get a hold of it? And have you

1799
01:26:49,133 --> 01:26:50,812
Speaker 4: purchased off Sigiworld.

1800
01:26:50,492 --> 01:26:52,972
Speaker 2: That Texas says I worked at the International Mail Center

1801
01:26:52,973 --> 01:26:54,892
Speaker 2: of for three years. On a daily basis, hundreds, if

1802
01:26:54,933 --> 01:26:57,372
Speaker 2: not thousands, of cartoons of cigarettes from China would come

1803
01:26:57,412 --> 01:27:00,893
Speaker 2: down the male screening bouts. Customs were not interested in

1804
01:27:00,973 --> 01:27:03,772
Speaker 2: let it through. As with other substances, the importer's hammer

1805
01:27:03,812 --> 01:27:06,333
Speaker 2: the border with small packages, clearly knowing it was a

1806
01:27:06,452 --> 01:27:09,492
Speaker 2: numbers game, and any that were seeing we're not followed

1807
01:27:09,652 --> 01:27:12,173
Speaker 2: up with enforcement. That's interesting.

1808
01:27:12,333 --> 01:27:15,012
Speaker 4: Yeah, O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

1809
01:27:15,293 --> 01:27:15,492
Speaker 5: I mean.

1810
01:27:15,893 --> 01:27:18,492
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing with cigarettes because they are legal

1811
01:27:18,572 --> 01:27:21,093
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. They're incredibly expensive, right, so you know,

1812
01:27:21,692 --> 01:27:24,052
Speaker 2: as we started saying at the start of the fifty

1813
01:27:24,133 --> 01:27:27,893
Speaker 2: dollars nearly fifty dollars for a twenty five pack of

1814
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:33,973
Speaker 2: what are we talking about here, they were of Winfield. Yeah, yep, no,

1815
01:27:34,093 --> 01:27:39,612
Speaker 2: Winfield twenties thirty eight to fifty and for yeah, yes,

1816
01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:42,293
Speaker 2: that's right, fifty dollars for a pack and not really

1817
01:27:42,333 --> 01:27:43,932
Speaker 2: met us to the ground. But you know, fifty dollars

1818
01:27:44,013 --> 01:27:46,933
Speaker 2: for twenty fives, right, but they are still legal, you

1819
01:27:47,013 --> 01:27:49,492
Speaker 2: can still buy them, so it's slightly different than say,

1820
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:55,092
Speaker 2: meth and fetamine smuggling where it's it's not and it's illegal,

1821
01:27:55,372 --> 01:27:56,133
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying.

1822
01:27:56,253 --> 01:27:58,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean they're quite right that it's a

1823
01:27:58,133 --> 01:28:00,053
Speaker 4: numbers game. It always is it customs. But I'll just

1824
01:28:00,133 --> 01:28:02,133
Speaker 4: read out the data we've got here. So in the

1825
01:28:02,692 --> 01:28:04,812
Speaker 4: year to the end of September this year, there were

1826
01:28:04,933 --> 01:28:08,612
Speaker 4: seven million, thirty two, three hundred and seventy four visual

1827
01:28:08,612 --> 01:28:10,852
Speaker 4: cigarettes and cigars stopped at the border. That's up from

1828
01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:14,093
Speaker 4: five point seven million in twenty twenty two. So that's

1829
01:28:14,133 --> 01:28:15,892
Speaker 4: a heck of a lot of ciggy stopped at the border.

1830
01:28:16,013 --> 01:28:19,253
Speaker 4: Seven million ciggys and cigars, So clearly they are stopping

1831
01:28:19,293 --> 01:28:21,173
Speaker 4: a lot, just not all of them. Oh eight hundred

1832
01:28:21,253 --> 01:28:23,452
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call at sixteen

1833
01:28:23,532 --> 01:28:27,093
Speaker 4: past three. Very very good afternoon to you. We're talking

1834
01:28:27,093 --> 01:28:31,013
Speaker 4: about black markets cigarettes and plenty of texts have come

1835
01:28:31,093 --> 01:28:31,732
Speaker 4: through on this one.

1836
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:36,333
Speaker 2: We were talking before about this siggy world, and let's

1837
01:28:36,372 --> 01:28:38,013
Speaker 2: be honest, men, tyre are very confused a bout this

1838
01:28:38,093 --> 01:28:40,772
Speaker 2: because it doesn't seem legit. But anyway, it's called judy

1839
01:28:40,812 --> 01:28:43,053
Speaker 2: free boys, free of duty. You can bring it in

1840
01:28:43,293 --> 01:28:45,492
Speaker 2: and not have to pay tax. So long as you

1841
01:28:45,612 --> 01:28:50,133
Speaker 2: stay under the threshold. Okay, So here there is another

1842
01:28:50,173 --> 01:28:54,692
Speaker 2: one here on this So there is you can bring

1843
01:28:54,772 --> 01:28:57,972
Speaker 2: in fifty grams. You can bring in fifty grams duty

1844
01:28:58,053 --> 01:29:01,772
Speaker 2: free cigarettes for personal use. So what is fifty gram

1845
01:29:01,893 --> 01:29:03,932
Speaker 2: I don't know how how many SIGs as fifty grams?

1846
01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:05,333
Speaker 2: How much is a cigarette? Way?

1847
01:29:06,173 --> 01:29:08,572
Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty grams would be quite a few were your

1848
01:29:08,572 --> 01:29:09,412
Speaker 4: own sigis, wouldn't that?

1849
01:29:09,532 --> 01:29:11,852
Speaker 2: Yeah? My brain's hitting now, all right, I need someone

1850
01:29:11,933 --> 01:29:14,772
Speaker 2: someone explains me some eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Can

1851
01:29:14,812 --> 01:29:18,053
Speaker 2: you ring up please and explain this whole, this whole

1852
01:29:18,093 --> 01:29:20,732
Speaker 2: situation about what you can bring in without paying duty.

1853
01:29:20,812 --> 01:29:23,733
Speaker 4: We need some clarity, yere, because this is complex, very complex.

1854
01:29:23,452 --> 01:29:26,172
Speaker 2: Because it's just messing with my brain. That these camels

1855
01:29:26,173 --> 01:29:29,852
Speaker 2: are four fifty for a pair. That's a steal if

1856
01:29:30,213 --> 01:29:32,852
Speaker 2: you're into that sort of thing. I mean, not great

1857
01:29:32,853 --> 01:29:33,972
Speaker 2: for your laning. So let's be honest.

1858
01:29:34,093 --> 01:29:36,372
Speaker 4: No, no, exactly, not a steal for your health. Oh,

1859
01:29:36,452 --> 01:29:38,652
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty get a mic.

1860
01:29:40,772 --> 01:29:41,612
Speaker 24: Yeah, Hi, how are you?

1861
01:29:41,772 --> 01:29:42,213
Speaker 5: Yeah? Good?

1862
01:29:42,293 --> 01:29:43,452
Speaker 2: What's your take on this one?

1863
01:29:44,973 --> 01:29:45,213
Speaker 23: Well?

1864
01:29:45,732 --> 01:29:47,973
Speaker 24: I can remember in nineteen ninety when I was a

1865
01:29:48,053 --> 01:29:53,612
Speaker 24: teenager and some of us were smoking a bit. I

1866
01:29:53,692 --> 01:29:58,372
Speaker 24: remember buying John Brandon fifteen cigarettes, packet of fifteen John

1867
01:29:58,412 --> 01:30:01,852
Speaker 24: Brandon's for two dollars seventy five, So now that would

1868
01:30:01,893 --> 01:30:03,893
Speaker 24: be around about thirty dollars. So you know, with that

1869
01:30:04,253 --> 01:30:07,692
Speaker 24: huge increase and price, you can see why there's so

1870
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:12,452
Speaker 24: much tempt for people to get illegal cigarettes.

1871
01:30:11,973 --> 01:30:12,973
Speaker 6: And make money on it.

1872
01:30:13,093 --> 01:30:15,852
Speaker 24: Obviously, you know, yeah, when it's just open flather, if

1873
01:30:15,893 --> 01:30:17,612
Speaker 24: you can, you've got a system to get them.

1874
01:30:17,652 --> 01:30:20,772
Speaker 2: In wealthy do you still smoke, you're going to make them?

1875
01:30:21,612 --> 01:30:24,612
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, no, but I've always Yeah, I tried a

1876
01:30:24,652 --> 01:30:27,612
Speaker 24: few different brands when I was a teenager, probably the

1877
01:30:27,652 --> 01:30:29,932
Speaker 24: whole lot of them. Every time i'd buy a pack,

1878
01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:31,692
Speaker 24: it'll be a different brand, just to get a taste,

1879
01:30:31,853 --> 01:30:34,293
Speaker 24: and you know, it's like one packet a week or something.

1880
01:30:34,692 --> 01:30:37,492
Speaker 24: But then I end up roll these and so I've

1881
01:30:37,532 --> 01:30:39,972
Speaker 24: smoked for thirty five years. It's always been roll your owns,

1882
01:30:40,372 --> 01:30:41,852
Speaker 24: and it's been off and on. I've given up for

1883
01:30:41,933 --> 01:30:43,612
Speaker 24: a couple of years year and a year there, and

1884
01:30:43,973 --> 01:30:45,812
Speaker 24: now I've given up so many times I've lost count.

1885
01:30:45,853 --> 01:30:51,092
Speaker 24: But to me, it's it's one of the great simple

1886
01:30:51,133 --> 01:30:54,532
Speaker 24: pleasures in life. You know, it's it's satisfying, it's relaxing,

1887
01:30:54,612 --> 01:30:55,372
Speaker 24: and it's comforting.

1888
01:30:55,692 --> 01:30:56,293
Speaker 6: It's a comfort.

1889
01:30:56,893 --> 01:30:59,013
Speaker 2: Are you experiencing? How are you on to run? How

1890
01:30:59,053 --> 01:31:01,612
Speaker 2: are you on walking up a steep fly stairs?

1891
01:31:03,173 --> 01:31:03,372
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1892
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:05,293
Speaker 24: Well I don't exercise, so I'm terrible two flights of

1893
01:31:05,333 --> 01:31:07,092
Speaker 24: stairs and I'm huffing and puffing.

1894
01:31:07,372 --> 01:31:12,093
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, so I mean, yeah, yeah, you do.

1895
01:31:12,532 --> 01:31:15,412
Speaker 24: I mean the lungs develop a layer of phlegm to

1896
01:31:15,732 --> 01:31:19,932
Speaker 24: filter out the smoke that comes in. But if you stop,

1897
01:31:20,013 --> 01:31:22,892
Speaker 24: that just disappears. But and but that layer of phlegm

1898
01:31:23,372 --> 01:31:26,532
Speaker 24: that will inhibit oxygen intake. So you do get puffed

1899
01:31:26,532 --> 01:31:27,772
Speaker 24: if you're a smoker, that's for sure.

1900
01:31:27,973 --> 01:31:28,492
Speaker 19: I've learned that.

1901
01:31:28,652 --> 01:31:31,972
Speaker 6: But I remember a few years back, there's a there's.

1902
01:31:31,812 --> 01:31:36,972
Speaker 24: A few Scandinavian or Nordic tobacco websites, and I bought

1903
01:31:37,053 --> 01:31:41,132
Speaker 24: myself a pound of chewing tobacco. It was about thirty

1904
01:31:41,173 --> 01:31:45,012
Speaker 24: bucks and that came in and that lasted me about

1905
01:31:45,013 --> 01:31:47,812
Speaker 24: a year. It was a pound of chewing tobacco and

1906
01:31:49,253 --> 01:31:52,092
Speaker 24: you know, just the old and then so when that finished,

1907
01:31:52,692 --> 01:31:56,812
Speaker 24: I tried it again the following year and I got

1908
01:31:56,853 --> 01:31:58,692
Speaker 24: a note from customs and that hit me with like

1909
01:31:58,772 --> 01:32:03,532
Speaker 24: a two hundred dollars duty charge for me to release it.

1910
01:32:03,652 --> 01:32:05,333
Speaker 24: So it was like, oh, well, okay, I won't do that.

1911
01:32:06,253 --> 01:32:07,692
Speaker 24: So I don't know how the first lot got in,

1912
01:32:07,812 --> 01:32:10,933
Speaker 24: but that yeah, they are scanning it and they are

1913
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:12,892
Speaker 24: taking chewing tobacco.

1914
01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:15,973
Speaker 2: Like, so, do you get the same sort of nicotine

1915
01:32:16,412 --> 01:32:18,412
Speaker 2: buzz does it make?

1916
01:32:18,612 --> 01:32:20,173
Speaker 24: Yeah, you feel it in the back of the throat.

1917
01:32:20,253 --> 01:32:24,612
Speaker 24: You feel that the nicotine. But it's it's mixed with

1918
01:32:24,692 --> 01:32:28,572
Speaker 24: sugar because straight tobacco and it's a really strong, rich

1919
01:32:28,652 --> 01:32:33,412
Speaker 24: tobacco is well it's it's bitter and sour, so it's ye,

1920
01:32:33,612 --> 01:32:36,412
Speaker 24: mold with sugar, right, But I mean it wasn't great.

1921
01:32:36,492 --> 01:32:38,053
Speaker 6: I didn't I didn't know. It wasn't doing.

1922
01:32:38,253 --> 01:32:41,452
Speaker 2: There used to be every every every bar in New

1923
01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:43,572
Speaker 2: Zealand used to have a spittoon back in the day.

1924
01:32:44,133 --> 01:32:44,852
Speaker 2: So people.

1925
01:32:46,133 --> 01:32:46,692
Speaker 23: Yeah, like.

1926
01:32:49,452 --> 01:32:57,532
Speaker 24: Western American, yeah, chewing tobacco. But ten years ago, from

1927
01:32:57,772 --> 01:33:01,452
Speaker 24: the Scandinavian sight, they actually were selling a it was

1928
01:33:01,492 --> 01:33:05,372
Speaker 24: a tobacco lozenge. It was made from tobacco and it

1929
01:33:05,492 --> 01:33:08,412
Speaker 24: was really strong, and I got a few packets and

1930
01:33:08,532 --> 01:33:11,452
Speaker 24: you know, that was straightforward and legal. But then the

1931
01:33:11,812 --> 01:33:14,772
Speaker 24: governments in Europe decided some one. I don't know why

1932
01:33:14,853 --> 01:33:17,412
Speaker 24: they decided to ban it, but yeah, that was quite

1933
01:33:17,412 --> 01:33:22,133
Speaker 24: an interesting tobacco option, and it just dissolved in your mouth.

1934
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:24,772
Speaker 2: Mike tried. Have you tried to? Have you tried to

1935
01:33:25,253 --> 01:33:26,932
Speaker 2: stop smoking? In what ways?

1936
01:33:27,013 --> 01:33:27,213
Speaker 6: Have you?

1937
01:33:27,612 --> 01:33:27,772
Speaker 17: You know?

1938
01:33:27,853 --> 01:33:27,893
Speaker 24: What?

1939
01:33:28,013 --> 01:33:29,012
Speaker 2: What message you employed?

1940
01:33:29,053 --> 01:33:30,892
Speaker 24: So many times I've gone up, but no, then after

1941
01:33:30,893 --> 01:33:32,892
Speaker 24: a couple of years, I think I'll just go back

1942
01:33:32,893 --> 01:33:34,933
Speaker 24: to it. So at this stage now I just like

1943
01:33:35,013 --> 01:33:37,293
Speaker 24: a few roll your own cigarettes later in the afternoon

1944
01:33:37,412 --> 01:33:39,572
Speaker 24: with a couple of beers, and you know, it's just

1945
01:33:39,893 --> 01:33:40,532
Speaker 24: an enjoyment.

1946
01:33:41,572 --> 01:33:44,293
Speaker 6: So I'm not really damaging myself too much. But I mean,

1947
01:33:44,333 --> 01:33:45,093
Speaker 6: I think the.

1948
01:33:45,173 --> 01:33:48,693
Speaker 24: Laws now are great, like stopping kids, you know, developing

1949
01:33:49,372 --> 01:33:53,372
Speaker 24: rungs and teenagers, young teenagers, and the high price prevents

1950
01:33:53,492 --> 01:33:56,013
Speaker 24: kids from access and cigarettes. So that's a good thing.

1951
01:33:56,093 --> 01:33:59,293
Speaker 24: But just a couple of things to fear the coming on.

1952
01:33:59,412 --> 01:34:02,933
Speaker 24: I remember through the media about ten years ago on

1953
01:34:03,053 --> 01:34:05,333
Speaker 24: that law that you're allowed to grow your own tobacco

1954
01:34:05,732 --> 01:34:06,372
Speaker 24: for your own use.

1955
01:34:07,133 --> 01:34:08,652
Speaker 6: Remember in the papers there.

1956
01:34:08,572 --> 01:34:11,133
Speaker 24: Was a guy down in Muchueko on Nelson somewhere, and

1957
01:34:11,253 --> 01:34:13,013
Speaker 24: he had acres of the stuff growing and they and

1958
01:34:13,893 --> 01:34:16,452
Speaker 24: they investigated them and he just said, oh, well, sorry,

1959
01:34:16,532 --> 01:34:21,612
Speaker 24: it's personal use, which was extremely doubtful, but that's all

1960
01:34:21,692 --> 01:34:24,652
Speaker 24: he said. So I don't know with the outcome of that.

1961
01:34:24,732 --> 01:34:27,692
Speaker 24: But just one further thing is that a friend of

1962
01:34:27,732 --> 01:34:31,932
Speaker 24: mine went to Jakata and I think with that Indonesia yep, yep,

1963
01:34:32,093 --> 01:34:35,093
Speaker 24: and over there he brought back a few packets of

1964
01:34:35,133 --> 01:34:37,412
Speaker 24: cigarettes and the cheapest chips like a dollar each, you know,

1965
01:34:37,572 --> 01:34:42,253
Speaker 24: or whatever, and they mixed their tobacco with clothes like

1966
01:34:42,372 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 24: clove oil. And the reason they do that is because

1967
01:34:45,412 --> 01:34:48,692
Speaker 24: over there people can't afford dental care. And it's a

1968
01:34:49,213 --> 01:34:53,213
Speaker 24: well known remedy that if you've got painful teeth, oil

1969
01:34:53,293 --> 01:34:55,572
Speaker 24: of clothes, clove oil, if you dab it on a

1970
01:34:55,732 --> 01:34:58,812
Speaker 24: bad tooth, it stops the pain immediately. So a lot

1971
01:34:58,853 --> 01:35:02,132
Speaker 24: of the population they get ultrachuap cigarettes mixed with clothes

1972
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:05,532
Speaker 24: and they smoked them to relieve their tooth problems and

1973
01:35:05,572 --> 01:35:06,132
Speaker 24: their toothpain.

1974
01:35:06,333 --> 01:35:11,532
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's just a sort of genuine information there.

1975
01:35:11,612 --> 01:35:12,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting, Mike.

1976
01:35:13,253 --> 01:35:16,852
Speaker 4: Initially he said clothes like you know, fabruck and I thought, oh, yeah,

1977
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:18,612
Speaker 4: that that makes sense, but clothes as much.

1978
01:35:18,692 --> 01:35:20,372
Speaker 2: But if you believe some of the pictures I've seen

1979
01:35:20,452 --> 01:35:22,013
Speaker 2: on packs of cigarettes I used to buy back in

1980
01:35:22,013 --> 01:35:26,173
Speaker 2: the day, the the the benefits for your teeth have

1981
01:35:26,293 --> 01:35:29,692
Speaker 2: short lived. Yes, exactly. It seems a pretty horrible pictures.

1982
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:33,612
Speaker 2: So siggy World is a Chinese website selling counterfeit products.

1983
01:35:33,772 --> 01:35:36,692
Speaker 2: Check out how many of the packages they have Mandarin

1984
01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:41,053
Speaker 2: writing on the packets. To get to the bottom of

1985
01:35:41,093 --> 01:35:43,612
Speaker 2: this at some point, absolutely, but there's no doubt, you know,

1986
01:35:43,853 --> 01:35:47,412
Speaker 2: as Mike says that the excised tax on cigarettes has

1987
01:35:47,772 --> 01:35:50,652
Speaker 2: reduced smoking in New Zealand. Yeah, and that's an absolute,

1988
01:35:50,692 --> 01:35:53,293
Speaker 2: that's a that's a good thing. But really what started

1989
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:56,173
Speaker 2: off this conversation was is it getting to the point

1990
01:35:56,293 --> 01:35:58,692
Speaker 2: where it's so high now that it's tipping people over

1991
01:35:58,772 --> 01:36:03,893
Speaker 2: into the black market? And because cigarette smoking smoking, the

1992
01:36:03,973 --> 01:36:06,293
Speaker 2: decrease of it, I think it's sitting at a stubborn

1993
01:36:06,532 --> 01:36:10,253
Speaker 2: five six percent that isn't going down, and yet the

1994
01:36:10,612 --> 01:36:13,772
Speaker 2: exos tax is coming and suggesting that people are now

1995
01:36:13,893 --> 01:36:15,852
Speaker 2: going getting their cigarettes on the black market. And what

1996
01:36:15,933 --> 01:36:18,333
Speaker 2: we've heard over the last we while talking to people,

1997
01:36:18,333 --> 01:36:20,892
Speaker 2: as it seems very easy to just go and buy

1998
01:36:21,053 --> 01:36:22,252
Speaker 2: some black market cigarette.

1999
01:36:22,333 --> 01:36:24,133
Speaker 4: Certainly does oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2000
01:36:24,173 --> 01:36:26,692
Speaker 4: The number to call. It is twenty six past.

2001
01:36:26,492 --> 01:36:32,452
Speaker 3: Three Matt Heathen Tayler Adams.

2002
01:36:32,572 --> 01:36:35,412
Speaker 1: Afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on

2003
01:36:35,572 --> 01:36:36,412
Speaker 1: Youth Talk ZB.

2004
01:36:36,933 --> 01:36:40,253
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, It is twenty nine past three, Denis. Where

2005
01:36:40,293 --> 01:36:41,972
Speaker 2: do you get your black market cigarettes from?

2006
01:36:43,293 --> 01:36:43,813
Speaker 22: Hospital?

2007
01:36:44,293 --> 01:36:48,213
Speaker 2: What's the hospital? Yeah, all right, tell us more.

2008
01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:55,452
Speaker 23: Oh well, I've got smoking place there. And if you

2009
01:36:55,532 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 23: were outside because I used to work there but a

2010
01:36:58,492 --> 01:37:03,213
Speaker 23: few months ago. And if they've got you're outside having

2011
01:37:03,253 --> 01:37:05,413
Speaker 23: the smoke because you're not allowed to smoke on the premises.

2012
01:37:06,133 --> 01:37:08,572
Speaker 23: They have the smoking police out there telling you to

2013
01:37:08,652 --> 01:37:09,612
Speaker 23: do and not what to do.

2014
01:37:11,093 --> 01:37:14,253
Speaker 2: Yep, So where do they Where did the SIGs come

2015
01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:14,812
Speaker 2: in that you're.

2016
01:37:14,652 --> 01:37:17,372
Speaker 6: Buying from the hospital.

2017
01:37:17,933 --> 01:37:19,012
Speaker 23: That's where I got them from.

2018
01:37:19,853 --> 01:37:22,333
Speaker 4: Who gave them to you? From the hospital?

2019
01:37:22,612 --> 01:37:29,853
Speaker 2: Dennis? I can't say, all right, okay, this is mysterious.

2020
01:37:29,893 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 2: This is very mysterious.

2021
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:33,772
Speaker 4: From the hospital. But there's SIGGI police that are taking

2022
01:37:33,812 --> 01:37:36,013
Speaker 4: your ciggies away. I don't know where you going with this.

2023
01:37:36,093 --> 01:37:38,572
Speaker 2: I tell you there's little things in this world more

2024
01:37:38,612 --> 01:37:40,732
Speaker 2: disturbing than when you're driving past the hospital and you

2025
01:37:40,812 --> 01:37:43,372
Speaker 2: see someone in a gown with a drip hang out

2026
01:37:43,372 --> 01:37:46,133
Speaker 2: their arms with a with a dart in their mouth.

2027
01:37:46,853 --> 01:37:49,452
Speaker 2: That's a sorry state, isn't it. I think you have

2028
01:37:49,572 --> 01:37:51,133
Speaker 2: to go a very long way from the hospital now

2029
01:37:51,173 --> 01:37:53,772
Speaker 2: to smoke a cigarette, but historically used to see that

2030
01:37:53,893 --> 01:37:54,532
Speaker 2: out the front.

2031
01:37:54,772 --> 01:37:54,972
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2032
01:37:55,053 --> 01:37:58,652
Speaker 2: Someone, that's a sad image. It's a very sad image. Well,

2033
01:37:58,652 --> 01:38:00,213
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't so long ago in New Zealand

2034
01:38:00,253 --> 01:38:02,772
Speaker 2: where you're allowed to smoke in your hospital bed really

2035
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:05,333
Speaker 2: well yeah, I mean just about to smoke complaints. Yeah,

2036
01:38:05,372 --> 01:38:09,933
Speaker 2: that's right. That's bloody. Subject's gone off the rails. So

2037
01:38:10,412 --> 01:38:12,893
Speaker 2: we'll put that one to bed. Let's just say that

2038
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:16,652
Speaker 2: black market cigarettes they seem to be shockingly easy to get,

2039
01:38:17,173 --> 01:38:20,692
Speaker 2: and that you know, the tax on cigarettes has done

2040
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 2: a lot of hard heavy lifting to get people off cigarettes,

2041
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:28,213
Speaker 2: but maybe it's just now so expensive that it's pushing

2042
01:38:29,053 --> 01:38:30,213
Speaker 2: people towards the black market.

2043
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:33,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating chat. Thank you to everybody who phoned and

2044
01:38:33,612 --> 01:38:36,133
Speaker 4: teached on that one. Coming up after the headline. Next,

2045
01:38:36,213 --> 01:38:37,772
Speaker 4: have a chat about purpose in life.

2046
01:38:37,853 --> 01:38:41,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Let's cleanse the palette some with some

2047
01:38:41,492 --> 01:38:43,852
Speaker 2: sort of I guess deep philosophy you might call it.

2048
01:38:43,973 --> 01:38:47,852
Speaker 2: I heard Joseph Parker on my Costing breakfast this morning

2049
01:38:47,893 --> 01:38:50,932
Speaker 2: twenty five years it said, be Mike Costking, Well, incredible, Yeah,

2050
01:38:51,692 --> 01:38:53,852
Speaker 2: And Joseph Parker was talking about how he's got a

2051
01:38:53,893 --> 01:38:57,213
Speaker 2: purpose in life and as a result, he's happy. And

2052
01:38:57,492 --> 01:38:59,133
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about that, and it seems to

2053
01:38:59,173 --> 01:39:01,173
Speaker 2: be something we're hearing more and more that if you

2054
01:39:01,213 --> 01:39:03,973
Speaker 2: have a purpose in life, then you know, if you

2055
01:39:04,093 --> 01:39:06,652
Speaker 2: have a why, it's easy to find easier to find

2056
01:39:06,692 --> 01:39:09,133
Speaker 2: a how as they say, how do you find that

2057
01:39:09,213 --> 01:39:11,812
Speaker 2: purpose in life correctly? And do you have a purpose

2058
01:39:11,853 --> 01:39:13,652
Speaker 2: in life? And if you have one eight hundred and

2059
01:39:13,652 --> 01:39:15,692
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty, can you give us a call and

2060
01:39:16,053 --> 01:39:18,452
Speaker 2: share it with us? And so maybe other people might

2061
01:39:18,492 --> 01:39:19,612
Speaker 2: be have to jump on that purpose.

2062
01:39:19,692 --> 01:39:22,212
Speaker 4: Yep, we're at a booster. It is twenty nine to four.

2063
01:39:24,612 --> 01:39:27,772
Speaker 17: News Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2064
01:39:27,812 --> 01:39:31,812
Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. Queenstown councilor Nicki Gladding

2065
01:39:31,933 --> 01:39:34,652
Speaker 17: has been stripped of her committee roles in a nine

2066
01:39:34,732 --> 01:39:38,492
Speaker 17: to two vote after leaking a confidential council plan to

2067
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:42,173
Speaker 17: release waste water into the Shotover River. Former Bay of

2068
01:39:42,253 --> 01:39:46,412
Speaker 17: Plenty lawyer Paulette Maine has pleaded guilty to fraudulently claiming

2069
01:39:46,492 --> 01:39:49,652
Speaker 17: nearly three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars from the

2070
01:39:49,732 --> 01:39:54,133
Speaker 17: Family Legal Service Advice. Between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two,

2071
01:39:54,853 --> 01:39:58,333
Speaker 17: Mesteria of Educations released a draft year seven to thirteen

2072
01:39:58,452 --> 01:40:02,573
Speaker 17: English curriculum which includes a Shakespeare work and a nineteenth

2073
01:40:02,692 --> 01:40:06,333
Speaker 17: century text. At years twelve and thirteen, all years would

2074
01:40:06,372 --> 01:40:10,093
Speaker 17: learn texts from New Zealand authors. The Green Party says

2075
01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:13,652
Speaker 17: abuse and threats have ramped up against an MP whose

2076
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:18,092
Speaker 17: old private Instagram posts have been publicized that included sexually

2077
01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:22,293
Speaker 17: suggestive captions. Warnings Traffic could be slow on the East

2078
01:40:22,372 --> 01:40:26,452
Speaker 17: Capes State Highway thirty five north of Tolliger Bay during

2079
01:40:26,532 --> 01:40:30,812
Speaker 17: work to finally replace the cyclone damage Hikawhai Bridge in

2080
01:40:30,933 --> 01:40:35,093
Speaker 17: New Zealand versus Australia. Over seventies at Cricket Test Match showcases,

2081
01:40:35,173 --> 01:40:38,172
Speaker 17: Golden Oldies in sport, seemore at ends at Herald Premium.

2082
01:40:38,492 --> 01:40:39,852
Speaker 2: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

2083
01:40:40,133 --> 01:40:43,652
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty five to four.

2084
01:40:43,732 --> 01:40:45,372
Speaker 4: Let's talk about purpose in life.

2085
01:40:45,612 --> 01:40:48,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Joseph Parker was on the my co

2086
01:40:48,213 --> 01:40:51,973
Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast this morning, and he seems very cheerful, and

2087
01:40:52,452 --> 01:40:54,293
Speaker 2: he said a bunch of things that make me think

2088
01:40:54,333 --> 01:40:58,852
Speaker 2: he's in a really, really good mental space, and he

2089
01:40:59,013 --> 01:41:01,812
Speaker 2: has his philosophy right. He talked about not worrying about

2090
01:41:01,853 --> 01:41:05,133
Speaker 2: things he can't control, and he can't control who the

2091
01:41:05,213 --> 01:41:08,293
Speaker 2: next person he fights is, or if people pull out

2092
01:41:08,372 --> 01:41:11,812
Speaker 2: of fights and needs to fight someone else. But he

2093
01:41:11,893 --> 01:41:14,412
Speaker 2: was talking about his purpose in life, and here he

2094
01:41:14,532 --> 01:41:15,092
Speaker 2: is this morning.

2095
01:41:15,372 --> 01:41:18,412
Speaker 28: I am driven and I'm motivated. My goal is to

2096
01:41:18,452 --> 01:41:20,772
Speaker 28: become champion of the world. My next goal is to

2097
01:41:20,812 --> 01:41:24,692
Speaker 28: become unified champion, undisputed. So because I have these goals

2098
01:41:24,772 --> 01:41:28,333
Speaker 28: in mind, I'm doing everything I can now to prepare.

2099
01:41:28,572 --> 01:41:30,532
Speaker 28: But I don't even know what's next, but I love it.

2100
01:41:31,532 --> 01:41:33,053
Speaker 28: I don't know what's next, but I love it. I

2101
01:41:33,133 --> 01:41:35,412
Speaker 28: love my job. I love waking up every day. I'm

2102
01:41:35,452 --> 01:41:38,253
Speaker 28: always in good mood at the moment because I'm at

2103
01:41:38,293 --> 01:41:40,732
Speaker 28: a deaficet in terms of eating, which means I'm eating

2104
01:41:40,812 --> 01:41:43,573
Speaker 28: less food. I do get grumpy a lot faster.

2105
01:41:43,452 --> 01:41:47,093
Speaker 2: With the kids. Sorry kids, Sorry wife, But I love it.

2106
01:41:47,372 --> 01:41:50,173
Speaker 28: I love it because I enjoy what I do, and

2107
01:41:50,253 --> 01:41:51,333
Speaker 28: it is purpose.

2108
01:41:51,973 --> 01:41:54,652
Speaker 2: That is a hell of her Quite so he has

2109
01:41:54,973 --> 01:41:59,333
Speaker 2: a very distinctive purpose, a very clear purpose in life

2110
01:41:59,732 --> 01:42:04,292
Speaker 2: of what he wants to achieve. But by all accounts

2111
01:42:04,492 --> 01:42:07,013
Speaker 2: and everything you know, you read, and people that you

2112
01:42:07,133 --> 01:42:09,452
Speaker 2: read that are happy day tend to have a purpose.

2113
01:42:09,452 --> 01:42:11,612
Speaker 2: As I put it before, if you have a why,

2114
01:42:11,732 --> 01:42:15,652
Speaker 2: then it's easy to find a how. But not everyone

2115
01:42:15,732 --> 01:42:19,213
Speaker 2: has a purpose like Joseph Parker does. It's not as

2116
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:22,013
Speaker 2: clear to people what their purpose is. Do you have

2117
01:42:22,093 --> 01:42:24,452
Speaker 2: a purpose in life, Tyler? Do you know what you're

2118
01:42:24,572 --> 01:42:27,293
Speaker 2: striving for or are you just sort of treading water

2119
01:42:27,452 --> 01:42:29,492
Speaker 2: day by day trying to stay off the vapes.

2120
01:42:30,692 --> 01:42:33,572
Speaker 4: Definitely staying off the vapes and the black market tobacco.

2121
01:42:33,812 --> 01:42:34,612
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

2122
01:42:34,853 --> 01:42:37,532
Speaker 4: I think I'm getting closer to figuring out what my

2123
01:42:37,732 --> 01:42:40,652
Speaker 4: purpose is. I can't put it into words, but I

2124
01:42:40,772 --> 01:42:43,412
Speaker 4: feel like I'm getting closer to getting to that point

2125
01:42:43,492 --> 01:42:47,173
Speaker 4: where I am happy. It's not quite the right the word,

2126
01:42:47,293 --> 01:42:51,572
Speaker 4: but I am more. I am more thankful for the

2127
01:42:51,652 --> 01:42:54,333
Speaker 4: things that I've got, and I am leaning into the

2128
01:42:54,452 --> 01:42:56,812
Speaker 4: things that make me happy and not getting rapped up

2129
01:42:56,853 --> 01:42:58,372
Speaker 4: by the things that you used to make me.

2130
01:42:58,532 --> 01:42:59,492
Speaker 2: Really pissed off.

2131
01:43:00,013 --> 01:43:02,053
Speaker 4: And I think that's as close to finding a bit

2132
01:43:02,093 --> 01:43:04,293
Speaker 4: of purpose in life that you can, you can get

2133
01:43:04,333 --> 01:43:06,173
Speaker 4: to it this stage, but I've still got some time

2134
01:43:06,213 --> 01:43:07,133
Speaker 4: to go before I cut it.

2135
01:43:09,973 --> 01:43:10,173
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2136
01:43:10,412 --> 01:43:15,213
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because, as I talked about in the show,

2137
01:43:15,732 --> 01:43:19,013
Speaker 2: my son recently moved out of home and that gave

2138
01:43:19,133 --> 01:43:21,293
Speaker 2: me left a hole in my heart. I felt it

2139
01:43:21,412 --> 01:43:25,053
Speaker 2: quite acutely, and I didn't expect to, and I've been

2140
01:43:25,093 --> 01:43:28,333
Speaker 2: trying to analyze exactly why that was. And I've still

2141
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:31,812
Speaker 2: got another son at home. But I realized that since

2142
01:43:32,372 --> 01:43:35,612
Speaker 2: the second that that kid came into this world, my

2143
01:43:35,772 --> 01:43:39,133
Speaker 2: purpose was clear to me that I needed to earn

2144
01:43:39,213 --> 01:43:41,772
Speaker 2: some money and make sure this guy had what he

2145
01:43:41,893 --> 01:43:45,333
Speaker 2: needed and a roof over his head and food. And

2146
01:43:46,692 --> 01:43:48,772
Speaker 2: in my head, I thought, I've got to get this

2147
01:43:48,812 --> 01:43:51,492
Speaker 2: guy through school, and that for some reason, I decided

2148
01:43:51,492 --> 01:43:53,933
Speaker 2: it was just school. I'll do everything I can, and

2149
01:43:54,013 --> 01:43:56,372
Speaker 2: my whole focus on life, my purpose was to get

2150
01:43:56,412 --> 01:43:59,893
Speaker 2: this guy through school. So when he left school and

2151
01:44:00,133 --> 01:44:03,932
Speaker 2: left home headed off to university, I felt like part

2152
01:44:03,973 --> 01:44:06,293
Speaker 2: of the purpose. That's what I'm trying to put my

2153
01:44:06,333 --> 01:44:08,333
Speaker 2: finger on. I feel like a bit of my purpose

2154
01:44:08,372 --> 01:44:10,492
Speaker 2: has disappeared. I've still got the purpose for the other one.

2155
01:44:10,532 --> 01:44:12,372
Speaker 2: But you see that that's only another couple of years.

2156
01:44:12,973 --> 01:44:15,053
Speaker 2: So now I'm searching around for another purpose. And maybe

2157
01:44:15,093 --> 01:44:19,213
Speaker 2: that's why it hit me what Joseph Parker was saying.

2158
01:44:19,253 --> 01:44:22,612
Speaker 2: He has a very clear purpose in his life, but.

2159
01:44:22,692 --> 01:44:25,852
Speaker 4: There I mean, he also mentioned a lot about his family, right,

2160
01:44:26,013 --> 01:44:30,213
Speaker 4: his kids, and his partner and his wife, And perhaps

2161
01:44:30,293 --> 01:44:32,133
Speaker 4: for a lot of people that is part of a

2162
01:44:32,293 --> 01:44:36,852
Speaker 4: purpose is that you are doing things for someone more

2163
01:44:36,933 --> 01:44:39,492
Speaker 4: than yourself. There is something out there that is greater

2164
01:44:39,612 --> 01:44:41,452
Speaker 4: than you that you were doing it for.

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01:44:42,213 --> 01:44:44,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think a purpose has to be

2166
01:44:44,652 --> 01:44:48,413
Speaker 2: that spectacular. And actually no, I do think that's spectacular

2167
01:44:48,452 --> 01:44:52,812
Speaker 2: what my father does. But he's the greenskeeper at his club, right,

2168
01:44:53,013 --> 01:44:55,812
Speaker 2: love that and he puts so much effort into it,

2169
01:44:55,973 --> 01:44:58,133
Speaker 2: and he puts theff into it because it's important for

2170
01:44:58,213 --> 01:45:00,372
Speaker 2: the other people at the club that they have great

2171
01:45:00,452 --> 01:45:04,333
Speaker 2: greens and it's and he sees the purpose of that,

2172
01:45:04,532 --> 01:45:06,972
Speaker 2: and he is doing it at an incredibly high level.

2173
01:45:07,013 --> 01:45:10,412
Speaker 2: So he's retired. Then his purpose became to make sure

2174
01:45:10,492 --> 01:45:13,013
Speaker 2: that the greens at his club were phenomenal and that

2175
01:45:13,133 --> 01:45:15,893
Speaker 2: people had a great spot to play on. And I

2176
01:45:16,013 --> 01:45:18,333
Speaker 2: think that's given him a great purpose. It's a huge

2177
01:45:18,333 --> 01:45:20,812
Speaker 2: amount of huge amount of work. So I think any

2178
01:45:20,853 --> 01:45:23,892
Speaker 2: purpose has to come with struggle and a certain amount

2179
01:45:24,093 --> 01:45:27,012
Speaker 2: of work. It can't be you don't get a purpose.

2180
01:45:27,053 --> 01:45:30,293
Speaker 2: Your purpose isn't sitting on the couch. Yeah, that's never

2181
01:45:30,333 --> 01:45:32,053
Speaker 2: going to be your purpose. Toil is part of it.

2182
01:45:32,253 --> 01:45:36,693
Speaker 4: That toil, but also that satisfaction from hard work and achievement.

2183
01:45:37,173 --> 01:45:39,333
Speaker 2: And you don't it never end, You don't need you

2184
01:45:39,532 --> 01:45:43,412
Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to get there. Yeah. But anyway, Oh,

2185
01:45:43,452 --> 01:45:45,732
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty, have you got a purpose

2186
01:45:45,893 --> 01:45:46,333
Speaker 2: in life?

2187
01:45:46,572 --> 01:45:47,173
Speaker 6: And what is it?

2188
01:45:47,532 --> 01:45:48,973
Speaker 2: And are you willing to share it with us? And

2189
01:45:49,053 --> 01:45:51,012
Speaker 2: how did you find it? And is it something else?

2190
01:45:51,053 --> 01:45:51,093
Speaker 17: That?

2191
01:45:51,253 --> 01:45:53,213
Speaker 2: Is it something I can jump on as my purpose

2192
01:45:53,253 --> 01:45:55,692
Speaker 2: in life disappears as my kids leave me. Matt needs

2193
01:45:55,692 --> 01:45:55,972
Speaker 2: a hand.

2194
01:45:56,013 --> 01:45:58,213
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is seen number to call.

2195
01:45:58,253 --> 01:45:59,133
Speaker 2: It is twenty to four.

2196
01:46:00,532 --> 01:46:03,133
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

2197
01:46:03,213 --> 01:46:06,692
Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo xc

2198
01:46:06,893 --> 01:46:10,293
Speaker 1: N eighty tick every barbe a seamless experience of weeds.

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01:46:10,412 --> 01:46:11,412
Speaker 3: News talk said, be.

2200
01:46:11,853 --> 01:46:14,212
Speaker 4: It is seventeen to four and we're talking about purpose

2201
01:46:14,293 --> 01:46:16,492
Speaker 4: in life on the back of the interview Mike did

2202
01:46:16,532 --> 01:46:17,333
Speaker 4: with Joseph Parker.

2203
01:46:17,532 --> 01:46:19,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was envious because he on a number

2204
01:46:19,692 --> 01:46:23,133
Speaker 2: of reasons. A he's, you know, a specimen, a very

2205
01:46:23,213 --> 01:46:25,572
Speaker 2: talented man, but he had a very He's got a

2206
01:46:25,812 --> 01:46:28,492
Speaker 2: very distinctive purpose, and that's to make it to the

2207
01:46:28,572 --> 01:46:29,452
Speaker 2: very top of boxing.

2208
01:46:29,612 --> 01:46:32,213
Speaker 4: How relax did he sound? I mean, and going back

2209
01:46:32,293 --> 01:46:34,412
Speaker 4: to what he said was his purpose in life. But

2210
01:46:35,053 --> 01:46:37,772
Speaker 4: when I listened to that interview, I thought, man like,

2211
01:46:37,933 --> 01:46:41,253
Speaker 4: for a guy who lost well probably would have been

2212
01:46:41,293 --> 01:46:43,173
Speaker 4: one of the biggest fights of his career, and to

2213
01:46:43,293 --> 01:46:44,493
Speaker 4: still have that philosophy.

2214
01:46:44,652 --> 01:46:47,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an athost man. As the Stix has said.

2215
01:46:47,173 --> 01:46:49,173
Speaker 2: He has an eleven to one record in the last

2216
01:46:49,213 --> 01:46:50,852
Speaker 2: six years. And I think, you know, there's a lot

2217
01:46:50,853 --> 01:46:52,452
Speaker 2: to do with the gut health and what he's doing

2218
01:46:52,492 --> 01:46:54,932
Speaker 2: there with his diet. But also I think he has

2219
01:46:55,013 --> 01:46:58,253
Speaker 2: got his philosophy right. My purpose in life, says Linda,

2220
01:46:58,372 --> 01:47:01,333
Speaker 2: is to have my kids well rounded and settled before

2221
01:47:01,333 --> 01:47:04,892
Speaker 2: I popped me clogs. Yeah, I mean that's purpose. That's true.

2222
01:47:05,853 --> 01:47:09,173
Speaker 2: That is a good purpose, Aaron. It's on thoughts on

2223
01:47:09,213 --> 01:47:10,253
Speaker 2: a purpose in life.

2224
01:47:11,772 --> 01:47:14,732
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's I guess it's starting with the why really

2225
01:47:15,333 --> 01:47:18,053
Speaker 15: A few years ago, I got to go to a

2226
01:47:18,772 --> 01:47:21,293
Speaker 15: talk in Auckland with Simon Sinek. He wrote a book

2227
01:47:21,372 --> 01:47:25,612
Speaker 15: called Start with Why, based around businesses and stuff. But

2228
01:47:25,732 --> 01:47:28,812
Speaker 15: my why is to influence you in becoming the strongest

2229
01:47:29,013 --> 01:47:29,892
Speaker 15: version of yourself.

2230
01:47:31,532 --> 01:47:33,532
Speaker 4: So say that one again. That is what you said,

2231
01:47:33,572 --> 01:47:36,093
Speaker 4: that's what you said to your wife. I just missed

2232
01:47:36,133 --> 01:47:38,293
Speaker 4: that part, to.

2233
01:47:38,412 --> 01:47:42,132
Speaker 15: Influence you and becoming the strongest version of yourself right right.

2234
01:47:42,173 --> 01:47:45,932
Speaker 2: Yet strong across what dimensions.

2235
01:47:47,133 --> 01:47:51,372
Speaker 15: Or just words, whatever that word means to you. It's strength,

2236
01:47:51,412 --> 01:47:55,213
Speaker 15: whether it's physical, whether it's mental, emotional, overcoming all that stuff.

2237
01:47:55,293 --> 01:47:59,052
Speaker 15: So I'm a I'm a strength and conditioning coach, crystal

2238
01:47:59,093 --> 01:48:04,572
Speaker 15: trainer and triathlon coach and nutritionist, and so I deal

2239
01:48:04,612 --> 01:48:09,013
Speaker 15: with that realm every single day with people in particular overcoming.

2240
01:48:09,093 --> 01:48:11,133
Speaker 15: And I like what I believe one of you just

2241
01:48:11,213 --> 01:48:14,852
Speaker 15: did before about you know, there's there has to be struggle,

2242
01:48:15,732 --> 01:48:18,612
Speaker 15: and I guess without knowing that struggle is no real

2243
01:48:18,853 --> 01:48:23,093
Speaker 15: comparison to give you to understand you've had the overcoming. Yeah,

2244
01:48:23,452 --> 01:48:25,612
Speaker 15: and also I think you want to be also said,

2245
01:48:25,652 --> 01:48:28,412
Speaker 15: it's not really striving for happiness because happiness is like

2246
01:48:28,572 --> 01:48:31,572
Speaker 15: they can fleet and they can come and go. But yeah, yeah,

2247
01:48:31,893 --> 01:48:34,492
Speaker 15: there's something to be said for overcoming, whether it's something

2248
01:48:34,532 --> 01:48:37,612
Speaker 15: as simple as a daily task or you know, people

2249
01:48:37,692 --> 01:48:39,652
Speaker 15: I deal with, it's about getting up and down off

2250
01:48:39,692 --> 01:48:42,772
Speaker 15: the toilet without without any pain, you know, like it's

2251
01:48:42,973 --> 01:48:47,812
Speaker 15: it's it's not the glorified finishing nine man or or

2252
01:48:48,333 --> 01:48:51,013
Speaker 15: be the world's strongest or those things are awesome as

2253
01:48:51,053 --> 01:48:54,652
Speaker 15: well as Joe Parker's interview was pretty awesome, But it's

2254
01:48:54,692 --> 01:49:00,173
Speaker 15: sometimes overcoming and the simple daily Yeah. So for people

2255
01:49:00,253 --> 01:49:01,692
Speaker 15: in that strength realm, it's.

2256
01:49:01,572 --> 01:49:04,293
Speaker 2: Pretty huge because there is there is of course, that

2257
01:49:04,452 --> 01:49:07,173
Speaker 2: saying that you're only competing with yourself yesterday. You're not

2258
01:49:07,253 --> 01:49:10,452
Speaker 2: competing with anyone else. So if if you can be

2259
01:49:10,692 --> 01:49:13,572
Speaker 2: if you can be better across you know, you know,

2260
01:49:13,692 --> 01:49:18,532
Speaker 2: stronger across whatever dimensions from the day before, then you've

2261
01:49:18,732 --> 01:49:20,532
Speaker 2: you've you know, you know, then that's a win for

2262
01:49:20,772 --> 01:49:21,372
Speaker 2: for that day.

2263
01:49:24,933 --> 01:49:27,093
Speaker 15: And it's so I mean, it's so easy to fall

2264
01:49:27,133 --> 01:49:31,452
Speaker 15: into the comparison, I guess you could say, especially in

2265
01:49:31,452 --> 01:49:34,053
Speaker 15: the day and age you're living now, but but ultimately, yeah,

2266
01:49:34,053 --> 01:49:35,372
Speaker 15: you're only ever battling yourself.

2267
01:49:35,692 --> 01:49:39,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting with so, you know, I go

2268
01:49:39,492 --> 01:49:42,572
Speaker 2: to the gym, every every second day. And there is

2269
01:49:42,692 --> 01:49:47,133
Speaker 2: something about experiencing pain because it's very painful as you

2270
01:49:47,213 --> 01:49:51,012
Speaker 2: push yourself in a good way, but you don't get

2271
01:49:51,372 --> 01:49:54,412
Speaker 2: the you don't get the full up unless you've had

2272
01:49:54,652 --> 01:49:57,612
Speaker 2: the pain. So so you were rewarded as you walk

2273
01:49:57,652 --> 01:50:00,013
Speaker 2: out of the gym. That that reward you get for

2274
01:50:00,333 --> 01:50:05,493
Speaker 2: doing something hard is fantastic. You get all these endorphins.

2275
01:50:05,732 --> 01:50:07,612
Speaker 2: But I think that's the that's the truth. And I

2276
01:50:07,652 --> 01:50:09,492
Speaker 2: don't know if you agree with not err and across

2277
01:50:09,612 --> 01:50:14,972
Speaker 2: everything in life, doing hard things, whatever they are, that's

2278
01:50:15,173 --> 01:50:17,652
Speaker 2: that's how you get the reward of contentment.

2279
01:50:19,053 --> 01:50:22,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, one dred percent. I mean, I you look at

2280
01:50:22,692 --> 01:50:24,892
Speaker 15: a lot of marriages nowadays, like I think the percentage

2281
01:50:24,933 --> 01:50:28,612
Speaker 15: is like fifty percent rate of marriages and divorced because

2282
01:50:28,612 --> 01:50:29,973
Speaker 15: I sort of like, you know, throw out and get

2283
01:50:30,013 --> 01:50:32,133
Speaker 15: a new one. But I mean, some of the best

2284
01:50:32,333 --> 01:50:36,172
Speaker 15: marriages I have seen, whether it's in friend circles of families,

2285
01:50:36,372 --> 01:50:39,732
Speaker 15: they've gone through some of the most hardships, you know,

2286
01:50:39,812 --> 01:50:43,572
Speaker 15: whether it's infidelity or there was just struggle with the

2287
01:50:43,652 --> 01:50:45,372
Speaker 15: kids or whatever. But some of those ones that come

2288
01:50:45,412 --> 01:50:47,213
Speaker 15: out on the other side, they had so much friction

2289
01:50:47,333 --> 01:50:50,532
Speaker 15: and so much tension, but they they were strong through it. Yea.

2290
01:50:51,293 --> 01:50:53,892
Speaker 15: You know, there's so many areas of life where it's

2291
01:50:53,933 --> 01:50:57,412
Speaker 15: you know, something as simple as as weight loss or

2292
01:50:57,572 --> 01:51:01,772
Speaker 15: health improvements. You know, there is in a friction, you know,

2293
01:51:01,853 --> 01:51:04,852
Speaker 15: as the discipline, it's they're not eating that or going

2294
01:51:04,893 --> 01:51:08,213
Speaker 15: to bed earlier or you know all those things, or

2295
01:51:08,532 --> 01:51:10,293
Speaker 15: you know, or biting your lip when your wife says

2296
01:51:10,333 --> 01:51:13,372
Speaker 15: something that you're not too happy with you. That's kind

2297
01:51:13,412 --> 01:51:14,572
Speaker 15: of it's all those things.

2298
01:51:14,612 --> 01:51:16,812
Speaker 2: And to struggle to dah well, I mean for sorry

2299
01:51:16,812 --> 01:51:16,973
Speaker 2: you go.

2300
01:51:17,412 --> 01:51:19,492
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, to take your wee well,

2301
01:51:19,572 --> 01:51:22,772
Speaker 4: to find that your your clarity of thought now is phenomenal. Eron,

2302
01:51:22,853 --> 01:51:26,572
Speaker 4: but you mentioned you're forty five, and the speaker Simon sink.

2303
01:51:26,772 --> 01:51:29,173
Speaker 4: Was that something that just clicked in your head? That's

2304
01:51:29,492 --> 01:51:31,013
Speaker 4: that said, I know my purpose now.

2305
01:51:32,812 --> 01:51:34,253
Speaker 6: Look I sound forty five.

2306
01:51:34,333 --> 01:51:39,572
Speaker 15: No, I I am thirty stacks right. I've been about

2307
01:51:40,213 --> 01:51:42,973
Speaker 15: I'm coming up almost twenty years in the sort of

2308
01:51:43,053 --> 01:51:47,492
Speaker 15: gym industry and wellness industry from sort of having my

2309
01:51:47,572 --> 01:51:49,972
Speaker 15: first flight till now. And it was something I always

2310
01:51:50,013 --> 01:51:52,692
Speaker 15: strive for, wanting to help someone. And it started because

2311
01:51:53,293 --> 01:51:55,492
Speaker 15: basically wanted to help my mum lose weight because she

2312
01:51:55,572 --> 01:51:58,893
Speaker 15: had a lot of health issues that she's overcome. So

2313
01:51:58,933 --> 01:52:00,892
Speaker 15: it's sort of started with that and a grew into

2314
01:52:01,013 --> 01:52:03,412
Speaker 15: just wanting to help people. But I needed a bit

2315
01:52:03,492 --> 01:52:08,692
Speaker 15: of clarity and that Simon Cinek meeting that was one

2316
01:52:08,772 --> 01:52:11,213
Speaker 15: of the instances, I guess. But I've done got to

2317
01:52:11,293 --> 01:52:14,132
Speaker 15: work along the way, just I guess, understanding the psyche

2318
01:52:14,253 --> 01:52:18,133
Speaker 15: more and the emotion more, and I mean influencing you

2319
01:52:18,213 --> 01:52:20,293
Speaker 15: to become the strongest version of yourself, I guess is

2320
01:52:20,333 --> 01:52:22,253
Speaker 15: just a catchy phrase to just I just want to

2321
01:52:22,333 --> 01:52:25,452
Speaker 15: make people stronger for whatever reason they need that strength.

2322
01:52:25,772 --> 01:52:28,093
Speaker 2: Not good on you, Aeron. So that's your purpose of

2323
01:52:28,213 --> 01:52:31,732
Speaker 2: helping other people find their purpose And good on you, Yeah,

2324
01:52:31,732 --> 01:52:32,452
Speaker 2: I say love that.

2325
01:52:32,612 --> 01:52:34,532
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number

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01:52:34,532 --> 01:52:37,372
Speaker 4: of call. We'll take a few more calls very shortly.

2327
01:52:37,412 --> 01:52:38,173
Speaker 4: It is ten to four.

2328
01:52:39,652 --> 01:52:43,013
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2329
01:52:43,372 --> 01:52:44,333
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2330
01:52:44,652 --> 01:52:46,532
Speaker 3: Matt and Tayler Afternoons with the.

2331
01:52:46,612 --> 01:52:50,452
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2332
01:52:50,572 --> 01:52:53,772
Speaker 3: News doalgs EDB on News Talks EDB.

2333
01:52:54,253 --> 01:52:56,452
Speaker 2: It is seven to four. It's been quite a jarring

2334
01:52:56,572 --> 01:52:59,012
Speaker 2: we while because we went deep into black market SIGs

2335
01:52:59,053 --> 01:53:01,253
Speaker 2: for for about an hour and twenty minutes and then

2336
01:53:01,293 --> 01:53:06,572
Speaker 2: suddenly pivoted into meaning and purpose in life. But Liam

2337
01:53:06,652 --> 01:53:08,372
Speaker 2: your thoughts on purpose.

2338
01:53:09,933 --> 01:53:13,572
Speaker 19: Hey, guys? Yeah, purpose, right? I think it's a very

2339
01:53:13,652 --> 01:53:16,532
Speaker 19: big kind of like question for someone to ask themselves

2340
01:53:16,572 --> 01:53:18,732
Speaker 19: from going up. I mean, I think the one thing

2341
01:53:18,772 --> 01:53:20,812
Speaker 19: that hit me when I was listening was like, I

2342
01:53:21,492 --> 01:53:23,412
Speaker 19: find that I'm still quite a young lad, right, I'm

2343
01:53:23,452 --> 01:53:26,652
Speaker 19: only twenty seven, and I feel like I'm quite privileged

2344
01:53:26,692 --> 01:53:28,652
Speaker 19: to be able to understand that I have, you know,

2345
01:53:29,532 --> 01:53:31,852
Speaker 19: found a bit of a purpose. It's a bit more

2346
01:53:31,973 --> 01:53:34,852
Speaker 19: like I wouldn't say vague, but like I feel my

2347
01:53:34,933 --> 01:53:38,372
Speaker 19: point my purpose is like it involves like more than

2348
01:53:38,492 --> 01:53:40,932
Speaker 19: just something very specified, right, Like it's not just one

2349
01:53:41,173 --> 01:53:42,053
Speaker 19: specific goal.

2350
01:53:42,293 --> 01:53:42,492
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2351
01:53:42,933 --> 01:53:45,012
Speaker 19: My purpose, I would say, is like a creation.

2352
01:53:45,333 --> 01:53:45,492
Speaker 5: Right.

2353
01:53:45,572 --> 01:53:46,772
Speaker 19: I'm a very creative guy.

2354
01:53:47,412 --> 01:53:48,053
Speaker 24: I love art.

2355
01:53:48,812 --> 01:53:50,612
Speaker 19: I've grown up around art. It's been the one thing

2356
01:53:50,652 --> 01:53:53,492
Speaker 19: that's kind of like kept me going. And I feel

2357
01:53:53,532 --> 01:53:57,293
Speaker 19: like that would be to me, the one thing that

2358
01:53:57,412 --> 01:53:59,333
Speaker 19: keeps me going, that's the one thing that keeps me

2359
01:53:59,492 --> 01:54:01,412
Speaker 19: kind of feeling alive. And I think that's you know,

2360
01:54:01,612 --> 01:54:04,852
Speaker 19: purpose is always something that keeps you right, like keeps

2361
01:54:04,893 --> 01:54:07,652
Speaker 19: you just wanting to you know, see the next day

2362
01:54:07,692 --> 01:54:08,812
Speaker 19: and move bond.

2363
01:54:08,692 --> 01:54:12,293
Speaker 2: And you're one of those people that's just compelled, compelled

2364
01:54:12,333 --> 01:54:12,973
Speaker 2: to make art.

2365
01:54:13,293 --> 01:54:13,452
Speaker 6: You know.

2366
01:54:13,532 --> 01:54:15,412
Speaker 2: I know a few musicians like that that they just

2367
01:54:16,093 --> 01:54:18,732
Speaker 2: every fiber of their being compels them towards a set

2368
01:54:18,853 --> 01:54:19,532
Speaker 2: and activity.

2369
01:54:20,973 --> 01:54:23,253
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, I would say it's like almost every

2370
01:54:23,333 --> 01:54:27,173
Speaker 19: creative would really agree in that sense that, like, creativity

2371
01:54:27,253 --> 01:54:30,972
Speaker 19: is definitely something that compels you to do something right.

2372
01:54:31,133 --> 01:54:35,052
Speaker 19: Like you know, everyone has that thought of like everyday

2373
01:54:35,133 --> 01:54:38,133
Speaker 19: life can be and can get so mundane, but when

2374
01:54:38,173 --> 01:54:41,092
Speaker 19: you really kind of fall into your creativity or your creatives,

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Speaker 19: you create a side. Yeah, you really do find a

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Speaker 19: lot of passion in it and you find Yeah, the

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Speaker 19: purpose I think is like you said, your musicians, you know,

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Speaker 19: they can't live without making music or Yeah, do they call.

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Speaker 4: That, you know, some people may call that flow when

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Speaker 4: you get into that space, if you're a creative mind

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Speaker 4: and you get into what they call some people call flow,

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Speaker 4: which would be as close to kind of pure happiness

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Speaker 4: as you could get.

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Speaker 19: I'd agree to a sense. You know, some people, you know,

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Speaker 19: some artists, some creative have like a terrible time creating art,

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Speaker 19: you know, Yeah, you'll be making something and you're just like.

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Speaker 6: Yoh, what is this? What am I doing?

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Speaker 19: Like, what's the point? Right? There's definitely a balance that

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Speaker 19: you have to find, I think with anyone's purpose as well,

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Speaker 19: and from the creative startup say, there is definitely a

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Speaker 19: state to get into, yeah, where you know it's working,

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Speaker 19: you know that they are this is my thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks so much for you call Liam and

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Speaker 2: all the best with that. This is quite an affecting text.

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Speaker 2: I've stumbled through life fifty nine years without any real focus,

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Speaker 2: but was handed my real purpose last year when my

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Speaker 2: wife was diagnosed with lung cancer. I'm very clear on

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Speaker 2: what purpose is now. Henry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Henry state. Yeah right, good discussion.

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Speaker 4: Really enjoyed that. That was a lovely little a palate

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Speaker 4: cleanser to finish the show. So thank you to everyone

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Speaker 4: who called him texts.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book and tried to find out

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Speaker 2: what purpose wasn't it? And all I came up with

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Speaker 2: by the end of the book was a purpose in

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Speaker 2: life most likely comes from some combination of if friction, gratitude,

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Speaker 2: human interaction, love, and community.

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Speaker 6: Nice. I like that.

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Speaker 4: That is a good summary. Hey, thank you very much

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Speaker 4: for today. Really enjoyed the discussion. Will do it all

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Speaker 4: again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi from us

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Speaker 2: A spinning hey by the way, Yeah, join us tomorrow

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Speaker 2: for Matt and Tyler's one hundredth show spectacular. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be amazing. Absolutely, We'll see you then slightly check

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Speaker 2: it like you other first.

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