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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two sixty four, the ninth

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Speaker 2: of December in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's a Tuesday, and you know, one of the main

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Speaker 2: to a special message to our podcast only listeners. I

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Speaker 2: was getting sent some stuff on Instagram with the many, many,

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Speaker 2: many minutes of podcast listening people did to our podcast

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Speaker 2: over the year. There was someone that had thirty six

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Speaker 3: What a freaking legend you are.

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Speaker 2: Because Spotify will tell you how many, how many hours

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Speaker 2: It's a big been a big, big old year. But

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Speaker 2: the other reason, apart from saying hello to you, a

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Speaker 2: point out the things that we say we're going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was there anything that was left on the cutting

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Speaker 3: room floor today?

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Speaker 2: I think?

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Speaker 3: I mean no, I think we got to everything.

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Speaker 2: Did we Okay, well, there's no point in talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Then everything is there.

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Speaker 2: And give a taste to keep from us. All right, then,

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Speaker 2: love you, love you.

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Speaker 4: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 5: Be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. So you're welcome into Tuesday show. I

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Speaker 3: hope you're doing pretty well.

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Speaker 6: Great.

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Speaker 3: Dear of your company is always got a med now.

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Speaker 2: Before in our regional part of the show before we

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Speaker 2: went nationwide, we were talking about how a text came through.

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Speaker 2: There was a slightly ominous sounding texts that came through.

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Speaker 3: Could have gone either way from a mic yep.

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Speaker 2: That It's said, I'm dropping off a package at reception.

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Speaker 2: I'm on my way into zb studio reception with a

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Speaker 2: package for Matt and Tyler Eta thirty five minutes. That

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Speaker 2: was from Mike and then another text package has been delivered,

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Speaker 2: so straight to the point, and so you know, in

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Speaker 2: an act of cowardice, I sent Tyler down to get

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Speaker 2: the package and open it.

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Speaker 3: I was willing to take a hat for the team.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And we opened the package and it is explosives.

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Speaker 3: It is explosives.

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Speaker 2: It is explosives.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we're not even getting it, actually is.

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Speaker 2: It is explosives and the fun side of explosives though,

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Speaker 2: And here's the letter. So it came in a tin

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Speaker 2: box with a feather in it.

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Speaker 3: There was one solo feather in So when I saw that.

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Speaker 2: Feather at the top, I was like, is this the

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Speaker 3: This is a message and it's a bad message.

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Speaker 2: And then there was some cotton buds and then there

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Speaker 2: was a bunch of real deal from the era. Pohas

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Speaker 2: you beauty, the funnest of firecrackers, thunderbombs. There you go,

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Speaker 2: and this with this note here, Hi, Matt and Tyler,

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Speaker 2: are you both able to dispose of the contents of

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Speaker 2: this tin safely? Please? Was legal in New Zealand in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. Approximately three weeks back, Matt said on

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Speaker 2: air he would give me a complimentary copy of his book.

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Speaker 2: This is my post dezets if I sent him a gift.

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Speaker 2: I hope you have an enjoyable positive season. Thanks Mike.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mike, we could definitely dispose of them, hopefully safely,

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Speaker 3: but we can't promise that. But what a gift. That

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I think these need to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these are beautiful pohas. What a great

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Speaker 3: That's a hell of a thing to give up, Mike,

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Speaker 3: and we thank you.

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Speaker 2: That is such a thank you so much, Mike. That

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure a copy of your book is hitting

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Speaker 3: his way. It's a hell of a Christmas gift. Explosives

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Speaker 3: for Christmas. That's when he boy wants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I can find a copy floating

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Speaker 3: Good on your mate good Man. If anyone else wants

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Speaker 2: You know the address, But that's probably the highest level

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Speaker 3: Nothing bigger than that. Please, please right to today's show.

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Speaker 3: After three o'clock. I want to talk about instant polls.

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Speaker 3: And this is yesterday. As we were doing the show, Matt,

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Speaker 3: foldable monstrosity of a pool that's got rolled out so

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Speaker 2: got us talking about the old, the old, the old

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any. I don't know if any

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Speaker 2: Whatever body of water you can rustle up in your yard,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, I mean that one that we saw

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that. After two o'clock, A forty dollar

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Speaker 2: These are double happies. Ah, So what was the what's

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Speaker 2: the difference between the poha and a double happy?

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Speaker 3: And what are the thunderbolts? Thunderbolts must have been.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was just the brand name. Anyway. Sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll post a photo of it and if anyone

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock. A forty doll a parking fine has

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Speaker 3: owner of the Saint James Theatre and Auckland Trends Sport AT.

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Speaker 3: So this is despite AT's parent body, the Auckland Council

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Speaker 3: So this is Steve Bible. He says he's disputed the

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Speaker 3: the ludicrous refusal by AT to provide the theater with

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Speaker 3: a loading zone exemption in Lawn Street, which the building

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Speaker 3: doozy from AT that they'll find the theater owner trying

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Speaker 2: AT hates cars and they want to punish anyone that

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Speaker 2: like run the Saint James Goddamn Theater.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there's no flexibility in it. But we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat to you about that after two o'clock

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've got to the bottom of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're all just different sizes of the same thing. Right,

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Speaker 2: So pohas and double happies are just smaller thunderbolts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and they're all and they're all, in my.

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Speaker 2: Mind come under the name pohas. Yep, right, the poh

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Speaker 2: but the thunderbolt which we've been seeing is like just

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Speaker 2: Happies and pohas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the real deal. That's the real nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: kick ass around the back of the garage.

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Speaker 2: Do not holding your hand, lay on the ground, light, fuse,

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Speaker 3: It's Mini T and T effectively. So we're looking forward

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Speaker 3: to disposing of those safely. As Mike would say a

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Speaker 2: Where are we going to find an adult to supervise

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Speaker 2: us when we leave these?

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Speaker 3: Solve that one later on. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: our productivity is growing. Started off with a business advisor

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Speaker 3: back to February is slowing down at our productivity. Then

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, your thoughts on this? Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: That'd be for a good afternoon due twenty one past one.

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Speaker 9: A Joe, Hi, how are.

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Speaker 10: As well as to have that break because.

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Speaker 9: That's good for your mental health. And you you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess it'll be the same amount of breaks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for you cool, Joe. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Debate has fired up over whether our long summer break

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Speaker 2: As summer breaks too long?

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Speaker 3: Well, our summer break is long compared to the rest

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Speaker 7: But I think the question is not is it too long?

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Speaker 6: The question should be can we afford it?

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, in the last ten years, our productivity growth

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Speaker 7: We now are ranked sixty third out of sixty seven countries.

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Speaker 6: So our productivity is rather low.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven past one, So we're talking about the Christmas

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Speaker 2: You have spent a few Christmas in England. I believe

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Speaker 11: The London, the Colination Street, it got darker past by

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Speaker 11: The only bit of flat land you could see was

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Speaker 8: But they did.

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Speaker 11: And I've enjoyed my life here in New Zealand thoroughly.

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Speaker 11: And the holiday is exactly what it should be. I mean,

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Speaker 11: Eve you work, you have a couple of days off.

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Speaker 11: If you could work it, you get three days unpaid leave.

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Speaker 11: Then you have another couple of days at New Year.

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Speaker 11: A little bit down the track, it's Wellington Anniversary. A

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Speaker 7: You worked for half a.

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Speaker 11: Day as a concession. And then you wonder and you're

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Speaker 11: complaining about it. For God's sake, Now, this is the

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Speaker 11: than it was fifty years ago.

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Speaker 2: So what what do you think people are complaining about, Tony?

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Speaker 7: What? What?

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Speaker 8: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: What do you think the complainers that you put the

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Speaker 11: I said, I cannot see what the complaint is. This

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Speaker 7: You can't go out.

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Speaker 2: It's always annoying that that's not the complaint. The complaint

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Speaker 2: is that we're off for so long that it affects

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Speaker 2: product productivity and you know, people can't get anything done

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Speaker 2: around that time.

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Speaker 11: Well, that's always been the cats. So what's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you've rung up and you're sort of yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the prigm, well that we're asking what the problem is,

447
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Speaker 2: if there's a problem, or whether whether it's just a

448
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Speaker 2: fantastic thing that we should celebrate or the fact that

449
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Speaker 2: our country is not earning enough money, and part of

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Speaker 2: that problem might be, as has been suggested by by

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Speaker 2: Toss and backed up by Simon Bridges, that it is

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Speaker 2: a problem for us getting things done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Tony loves chrismas he loves us some holiday.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Tony, But no point getting annoyed at

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Speaker 3: the discussion. So there's the whole point about the debate.

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Speaker 3: But nice to hear from your mate. Right, it is

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Speaker 3: bang on one point thirty. We are taking your calls. Oh,

458
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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty around the Christmas shutdown

459
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Speaker 3: doesn't need to be rethought. But we're also going to

460
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Speaker 3: catch up with Simon Kur, ACTMP and Undersecretary for RMA

461
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Speaker 3: reform that has just been released and it is a

462
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Speaker 3: huge piece of legislation. So we'll go through that with

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Speaker 3: Simon Court next. It is twenty nine to two back

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Speaker 3: for soon.

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Speaker 2: Youth talks.

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Speaker 8: Ad be headlines with blue.

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Speaker 5: Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The

468
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Speaker 5: government's released details of it's makeover of the Resource Management

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Speaker 5: to Act, including two new bills to slash some rules,

470
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Speaker 5: reduce the need for many consents and speed some up.

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Speaker 5: More than one hundred existing council plans will reduce to

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Speaker 5: seventeen regional ones, and councils will be required to have

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Speaker 5: more long term planning for roads, pipes, power networks and

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Speaker 5: renewable energy projects. Police have announced the hunting thirty six

475
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Speaker 5: year old Adrian Parney after one person was fatally stabbed

476
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Speaker 5: and another seriously injured on a bus in East Auckland

477
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Speaker 5: last night, is considered dangerous and shouldn't be approached. A

478
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Speaker 5: devastating house fire in mun o Wati this morning is

479
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Speaker 5: being described as complex. Two people still haven't been found

480
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Speaker 5: since the Foxton Beach property went up in flames about

481
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Speaker 5: five am. Police Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham's appointed a top

482
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Speaker 5: lawyer following a damning police watchdog report involving then Decuity

483
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Speaker 5: Commissioner Jevan mcskimming. The Trade Minister says he's deep in

484
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Speaker 5: negotiations with India and is close to securing a free

485
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Speaker 5: trade agreement. Aren Z Rising Sunary and staff Costs. Treasury

486
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Speaker 5: wants government to ensure executives are being held to account.

487
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Speaker 5: See this and more from Media Insider at zid Herald Premium.

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Speaker 5: Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean. So as you heard

490
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Speaker 3: in Railings headlines, the government says its makeover of the

491
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Speaker 3: Resource Management Act is a once in a generation shift.

492
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Speaker 3: The overhall has two new bills that slash some rules,

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Speaker 3: reduces a need for many consents, and speeds some up.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now on the phones as Simon Court Act

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Speaker 3: MP and Under Secretary for our m A Reform Simon,

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Speaker 3: very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon Tyler.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt as well. Simon.

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Speaker 8: How are you?

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Speaker 7: Oh Matt, how are you?

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Speaker 13: Very good?

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be forgotten. Hey and look beer

503
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Speaker 2: with us because we're just looking through this right now.

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Speaker 2: But from what I can understand, you're cutting consent and

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Speaker 2: permit numbers by forty six percent. So what are the

506
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Speaker 2: key things people will now be able to do on

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Speaker 2: their property or in their businesses without needing consent.

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Speaker 7: Well, I've experienced this firsthand, Matt, as a civil engineer

509
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Speaker 7: for nearly twenty five years. I've had to get consents,

510
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Speaker 7: I've had to get private plan changes through. I've had

511
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Speaker 7: to explain to planners over and over. You know, how

512
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Speaker 7: you manage it works so that the selt doesn't end

513
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Speaker 7: up in the stream and so trucks don't end up

514
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Speaker 7: tracking mud out on the road. By the time you've

515
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Speaker 7: done this a dozen times, and then imagine that around

516
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Speaker 7: the country, key wes have done this thousands and thousands

517
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Speaker 7: of times over you So, why are we still explaining

518
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Speaker 7: the same thing to planners when we already know how

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Speaker 7: to manage these effects. Well, so what we're doing in

520
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Speaker 7: the system, as we're simplifying, we're going to introduce national

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Speaker 7: standards for common activity is going to have far fewer plans.

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Speaker 7: But your question around, how do we make sure we've

523
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Speaker 7: got fewer consents? How do we know we're actually asking

524
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Speaker 7: the planning system to do less. We've slimmed the scope

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Speaker 7: right down. The old roma was all around sustainable management.

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Speaker 7: You know these kind of concepts that came out of

527
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Speaker 7: the nineteen eighties, the un sustainable development goals. It was

528
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Speaker 7: all vibes back then. We've just said simply, what do

529
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Speaker 7: we need to manage to protect the environment, and what

530
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Speaker 7: do we need to manage. So as a private property owner,

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Speaker 7: you can do more with your land. So we're going

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Speaker 7: to have far fewer plans, fewer rules, national standards that say, look,

533
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Speaker 7: you want to do some land development, we want to

534
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Speaker 7: do some clearing. As long as you follow these standards,

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Speaker 7: you won't have to ask for consent. And that's one

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Speaker 7: of the ways we're going to reduce a number of

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Speaker 7: consents demanded from say forty plus thousand a year down

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Speaker 7: to around twenty thousand a year in the new system.

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Speaker 2: So practically, just in a personal level, on putting in

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Speaker 2: a non sweet bathroom, the cacents are quite punishing. Will

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Speaker 2: this help me with that?

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Speaker 7: Well, if you've got a heritage house right now, in fact,

543
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Speaker 7: the councilor might have rules about what you're allowed to

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Speaker 7: do with the inside of your house. And so in

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Speaker 7: the new system, we're going to say, look, the inside

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Speaker 7: of your property is no longer something that counsels and

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Speaker 7: the resource management system is going to be looking at.

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Speaker 7: If the effects are only on you, then there's no

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Speaker 7: need for rules around that. The consents required. You know,

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Speaker 7: for things about which way your front door faces, the

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Speaker 7: color of your front door, the internal layout of your home.

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Speaker 7: All of those things are currently able to be litigated

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Speaker 7: through the RMA. In the new system, they won't be right.

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Speaker 3: Could be good news for you, Matt, So just explain

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Speaker 3: to us the idea of this regulatory relief provision. How

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Speaker 3: does that going to work? Is that effectively, if a

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Speaker 3: person's property is negatively affected by council planning decisions, they

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Speaker 3: may be able to claim relief from that council.

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Speaker 7: That's right. As an act MP and a champion of

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Speaker 7: property rights, I'm so proud of the regulatory relief measures

561
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Speaker 7: in this legislation. We've heard from farmers and property owners

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Speaker 7: around the country that council officers pick up the felz

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Speaker 7: and they start coloring in maps with sensitive natural areas

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Speaker 7: and heritage overlays and cultural overlays, and they don't really

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Speaker 7: face the costs of their decisions. Because if you're a

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Speaker 7: private property owner and I spoke to a woman up

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Speaker 7: in the Mochi near Tai Happi a few months ago,

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Speaker 7: seventy percent of farm had been painted over with sensitive

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Speaker 7: natural areas or outstanding landscapes. Look, it is a beautiful property,

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Speaker 7: but there's only half a dozen people ever see it

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Speaker 7: in a given year, and a few farmers who drive

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Speaker 7: past every day. But what it meant was a huge

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Speaker 7: loss in value. The ability to develop that property, even

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Speaker 7: to put in a fence or cut a track would

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Speaker 7: have needed a resource consent. So in the news system,

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Speaker 7: if councils want to do that, firstly, there's going to

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Speaker 7: be a much higher thresholder. It's going to have to

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Speaker 7: be truly significant or outstanding, not just recons from a

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Speaker 7: council officer with a clipboard. And if they do insist

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Speaker 7: that they want to apply these controls to someone's property,

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Speaker 7: they're going to have to offer them either rates relief,

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Speaker 7: a cash grant, or it could be something simpler that

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Speaker 7: doesn't actually cost the council any money, such as biodiversity

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Speaker 7: credits or the ability to develop another part of that

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Speaker 7: property in a much more intensive way. So we don't

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Speaker 7: want to force a whole lot of cost on councils,

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Speaker 7: but we want to force the cost of making these

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Speaker 7: decisions that harm private property owners. We want to force

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Speaker 7: them to face those decisions.

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Speaker 2: You begin at a pushback on this though, what you

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Speaker 2: simon from environmental groups and heritage.

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Speaker 7: Groups, Well, that's not what we've heard, mat because what

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Speaker 7: they do like is that a separate piece of legislation,

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Speaker 7: a Natural Environment Bill we're introducing next week, will say look,

595
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Speaker 7: we need to set environmental limits and around the country,

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Speaker 7: whether it's fresh water or a biodiversity, those people doing

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Speaker 7: development need to meet those limits. We've got a transparent

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Speaker 7: way of setting the limits. We're not going to have

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Speaker 7: every council to a choose your own adventure about water quality.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the stuff is going to be standardized.

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Speaker 7: We want it to be simple, and we want it

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Speaker 7: to be introduced and implemented within the next couple of years.

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Speaker 7: So I think from an environmental NGO point of view,

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Speaker 7: we're actually hearing that they're generally supportive of the direction

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Speaker 7: of this reform, which.

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Speaker 3: Is happening something that will be music to a lot

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Speaker 3: of people's ears. I think simon is the public participation rights.

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Speaker 3: They're being narrowed to affected parties so effectively, if you

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Speaker 3: want to put up a new fence, will put up

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Speaker 3: a new tree. The only people who can jump on

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Speaker 3: board on the submission process are your next door neighbors.

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Speaker 3: No longer people up and down the country saying we're

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Speaker 3: worried about the flight path of birds. It's just going

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Speaker 3: to be the next door neighbors who can make submissions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. When it comes to the planning bill,

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Speaker 7: that's absolutely clear that only those who are directly affected,

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Speaker 7: like neighbors, and who are affected in a way that

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Speaker 7: is more than minor, will get to be notified. And

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Speaker 7: that's quite different from the current system, where obviously sometimes

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Speaker 7: council planners will say, oh, we're not sure who's affected,

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Speaker 7: we're going to publicly notify it. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 7: horrific thing to hear if you're trying to build a

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Speaker 7: home or do a development, because it basically means that

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Speaker 7: instead of negotiating with a few neighbors about effects, all

625
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Speaker 7: of a sudden, every Tom, Dick and Harry can pile in.

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Speaker 7: And you know, we've seen that with the wantaka McDonald's.

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Speaker 7: We've seen that with the t row Starbucks. You know,

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Speaker 7: these are people who just want to run a franchise.

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Speaker 7: You know, kiwis like you and I trying to get

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Speaker 7: ahead to want to employ people. And yet you've got

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Speaker 7: all kinds of groups from you know, Health New Zealand

632
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Speaker 7: or you know, save New Zealand from overpriced iced coffees

633
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Speaker 7: piling in and saying that you shouldn't be allowed to

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Speaker 7: do it. Turn a new system. We're raising the threshold

635
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Speaker 7: in terms of what effects are considered by the system

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Speaker 7: and also really narrowing who can object and flea.

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Speaker 3: How much you're expected to save with the government to

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Speaker 3: save through this process, Simon, I've just looking at some

639
00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:15,933
Speaker 3: numbers here, but it's roughly about three point one billion

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Speaker 3: dollars a year.

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Speaker 7: Potentially. We're aiming to all the projections we've seen that

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Speaker 7: we can increase GDP by over half of percent a

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Speaker 7: year between now in twenty fifty, which is a huge

644
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Speaker 7: return to New Zealand and the billions of dollars a

645
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:36,773
Speaker 7: year of extra economic activity. But we're also have identified

646
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Speaker 7: over thirteen billion dollars in savings to not just government

647
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Speaker 7: but also the keywis who have to apply for all

648
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Speaker 7: of these consents. So that's going to have a material

649
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Speaker 7: impact on bottom line, but it's also going to just

650
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Speaker 7: free people up to build the things that kiwis want.

651
00:30:53,093 --> 00:30:56,053
Speaker 7: We want warm, dry homes and places that are close

652
00:30:56,093 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 7: to where we live, close to where we play and work.

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Speaker 7: We want decent roads that can be built in a

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Speaker 7: decent time frame and not held up for years and

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Speaker 7: years and years with kind of random or relitigating environmental

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Speaker 7: issues that can be quite simply dealt with. So look,

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Speaker 7: great savings, great economic opportunities. And as a civil engineer

658
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Speaker 7: who's battled the resource management system for over twenty five

659
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Speaker 7: nearly twenty five years before I was elected to Parliament

660
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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty, I'm really proud of what we've achieved

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Speaker 7: here Today.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Simon Court, ACTMP and Under Secretary for

663
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Speaker 2: RMA reform. Here's a text for you. My worry is

664
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Speaker 2: that cowboys will rule supreme.

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Speaker 7: What do you say to that, Well, look, I'd love

666
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Speaker 7: for cowboys to be able to roam the prairie of

667
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Speaker 7: New Zealand without having to worry about council officers with

668
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Speaker 7: clipboards coming and telling them you can't ride there. It's

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Speaker 7: a centitive natural area. We've got to find this balance right.

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Speaker 7: New Zealanders love the environment that we live and that's

671
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Speaker 7: why people choose to move to places that are own,

672
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Speaker 7: like places like Titangi, where I used to live.

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Speaker 14: In the bush or near the bush.

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Speaker 6: We want to.

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Speaker 7: Protect those things. We've already got ways to protect them

676
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Speaker 7: with cove and it's under say the q E two

677
00:32:10,573 --> 00:32:15,333
Speaker 7: covenants for sensitive natural Environments. People do that voluntarily, So

678
00:32:15,693 --> 00:32:18,693
Speaker 7: there's plenty of protection for the natural environment in the

679
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Speaker 7: Natural Environment Bill. And I would encourage your listeners, those

680
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Speaker 7: who want to make a submission to do that through

681
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Speaker 7: the parliamentary process. That'll be through Environment Committee, and I

682
00:32:28,973 --> 00:32:31,493
Speaker 7: understand submissions will open towards the end of next week,

683
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Speaker 7: once we've read those bills in the House for the

684
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Speaker 7: first time.

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Speaker 2: So best case scenario for you, when will this all happen.

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Speaker 7: We're going to get these two pieces of legislation, a

687
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Speaker 7: new Planning Bill a new Natural Environment Bill passed by

688
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Speaker 7: the middle of next year. And then in parallel, we're

689
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Speaker 7: going to be delivering what's called the National Direction Package

690
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Speaker 7: and National Standards for planning because we can't have the

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Speaker 7: current over one thy one hundred different zones across sixty

692
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Speaker 7: seven councils. In the new system, we're going to standardize

693
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:05,013
Speaker 7: which zones councils can pick from, and they're not going

694
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Speaker 7: to be doing choose your own adventure when it comes

695
00:33:06,933 --> 00:33:10,533
Speaker 7: to planning their cities, so all of these things, national direction,

696
00:33:10,693 --> 00:33:13,173
Speaker 7: national standards have to flow on very quickly. Next year

697
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Speaker 7: councils will be doing their new plans under the new

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Speaker 7: system in twenty twenty seven. We aim to have the

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Speaker 7: whole thing wrapped up within three years, by twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: nine fully implemented, so we are going gangbusters. It's pedaled

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Speaker 7: to the medal. Quite a different approach to the previous

702
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Speaker 7: government's ten years to implement stuff, and it was going

703
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Speaker 7: to be more complicated, So I'm confident we can get there.

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Speaker 7: Christopership and I are are going to continue to keep

705
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Speaker 7: an eye on the stuff and make sure that it's

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Speaker 7: delivered in the way we anticipate.

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Speaker 3: There are some significant changes and Simon, you've got a

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Speaker 3: big afternoon ahead of you, no doubt, but really appreciate

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Speaker 3: you coming on and discussing.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Tyler, Thanks Matt.

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Speaker 3: That is Simon Courts, under Secretary for the RMA reform

712
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Speaker 3: and also act MP. There'll be plenty more to come

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Speaker 3: on that as the afternoon progresses, but we are going

714
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Speaker 3: to get back to our discussion about the Christmas shutdown

715
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Speaker 3: and whether that needs to be rethought, so taking more

716
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Speaker 3: of your calls on O it hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

719
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said b it is eleven two two.

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Speaker 2: It's a great text here I have to share out

722
00:34:25,253 --> 00:34:28,613
Speaker 2: from Phil. It says, hey, sire, send a text message to.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two great texts text of the week.

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Speaker 2: That just really sort of cuts through the bs.

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Speaker 3: That text, it certainly does. That puts it all into perspective.

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Speaker 2: Al Right, what are we talking about, Tyler. We're back

727
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Speaker 2: on track.

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Speaker 3: We're back on track. It's been all go this hour.

729
00:34:40,053 --> 00:34:42,613
Speaker 3: But we're going back to our discussion about the Christmas shutdown.

730
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Speaker 3: So there's a number of people who are questioning whether

731
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Speaker 3: that's the right time and whether we need to have

732
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Speaker 3: a bit of a change around because a lot of

733
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Speaker 3: people start to shut down in November and don't get

734
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Speaker 3: back into it until fab What do you say.

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Speaker 2: Olwen, welcome to the show. If I said your name correctly.

736
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Speaker 6: Are you sure I have Matthew Trevor.

737
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Speaker 14: Mate?

738
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Speaker 3: How are ye?

739
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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: That's right? Yeah, they've learned his name down at the cafe.

741
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Speaker 2: Now it only took a year, but they got it

742
00:35:06,413 --> 00:35:10,573
Speaker 2: today today day. Actually you just see the regular place

743
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Speaker 2: and they remembered your order even yeah, Tyler.

744
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Speaker 3: And that was that was a big day for me.

745
00:35:14,733 --> 00:35:16,573
Speaker 3: It's only taken a year, and how many coffees. I

746
00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:18,172
Speaker 3: probably spend ten thousand dollars down there.

747
00:35:18,213 --> 00:35:21,013
Speaker 2: But it's a little things that matter anyway, yours please

748
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Speaker 2: it is so.

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Speaker 6: I work in education in Auckland. We've talked before about reading,

750
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Speaker 6: but I also sort of accidentally own the Russell Booking

751
00:35:32,773 --> 00:35:36,853
Speaker 6: and Information Center and a small art shop in the

752
00:35:36,893 --> 00:35:37,533
Speaker 6: Bay of Islands.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 6: So one thing that we forget. There are lots of

755
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Speaker 6: little places around New Zealand, a little sometimes woodyanger, the

756
00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:57,973
Speaker 6: Bay of Islands, Reglin, all sorts of places that were

757
00:35:57,973 --> 00:36:02,733
Speaker 6: at the Coromandel, of course, that rely on the summer

758
00:36:02,813 --> 00:36:11,213
Speaker 6: holidays or their annual income. So yep, maybe Central Auckland,

759
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:15,893
Speaker 6: Central Wellington and other places sort of closed down a bit,

760
00:36:16,373 --> 00:36:18,693
Speaker 6: but these places that need these illness us to go

761
00:36:18,933 --> 00:36:22,172
Speaker 6: there to spend some money, to take a fishing, chance,

762
00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:26,053
Speaker 6: to go out yachting, to stay in some accommodation, to

763
00:36:26,173 --> 00:36:29,093
Speaker 6: buy from the local products and things like that because

764
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Speaker 6: that's a part of the New Zealand economy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good point. So you got us policelickers.

766
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Speaker 2: We work all year and make our money and we

767
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Speaker 2: need to spread it around the businesses outside of Ponsonby Road.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and can you imagine, Well, I mean, I know

769
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Speaker 6: you guys will know that the Bay of Islands is

770
00:36:47,853 --> 00:36:52,053
Speaker 6: just a beautiful place. We have yachting charters, we had

771
00:36:52,093 --> 00:36:53,813
Speaker 6: fishing charters. You can go out in the hole in

772
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Speaker 6: the rock. We had a lady from America yesterday who

773
00:36:58,573 --> 00:37:01,813
Speaker 6: brought us photos in for I don't know how many

774
00:37:01,893 --> 00:37:06,533
Speaker 6: dolphins just went jumping all around the boat. And this

775
00:37:06,773 --> 00:37:09,613
Speaker 6: is a part of our culture and part of our productivity.

776
00:37:10,213 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 6: And if we don't enhance it and promote it, you know,

777
00:37:15,413 --> 00:37:17,613
Speaker 6: GDP is not as good and if you want to

778
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:21,493
Speaker 6: go down that way. So we need to have a

779
00:37:21,613 --> 00:37:25,813
Speaker 6: situation where both New Zealanders but also New Zealand's encouraging

780
00:37:25,853 --> 00:37:29,773
Speaker 6: people coming here for tourism spend money in these areas

781
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Speaker 6: because otherwise they just get neglected.

782
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Speaker 2: How much you would let's just say, because you know,

783
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Speaker 2: whenever you go away on the summer holiday, you get

784
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Speaker 2: acquainted with your beach fish and chip shop, right, that

785
00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:42,253
Speaker 2: becomes very important to you and your beach dairy just

786
00:37:42,373 --> 00:37:45,013
Speaker 2: you know, you know, they're just the sort of meet

787
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Speaker 2: and veg meet and veg for one of a better

788
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Speaker 2: word businesses for summer. What percentage you reckon of their

789
00:37:52,013 --> 00:37:55,533
Speaker 2: yearly business comes from that long Christmas break?

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Speaker 6: Okay, from from experience running those two businesses for the

791
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Speaker 6: last few years. People talk about the shoulder. So the

792
00:38:04,733 --> 00:38:10,013
Speaker 6: shoulder is kind of September, October and November. We start

793
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Speaker 6: to get more people beginning to come through. And again

794
00:38:15,053 --> 00:38:19,093
Speaker 6: that's important Russell and the Bay of Islands and the

795
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Speaker 6: further North and that really is the winterless North, and

796
00:38:22,613 --> 00:38:25,732
Speaker 6: I think it's the country. We need to promote those

797
00:38:25,813 --> 00:38:29,613
Speaker 6: areas like we have won and Queenstown where it's now

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Speaker 6: an all year round tourism venture.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: I would say that, let's say from December the first

801
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:48,293
Speaker 6: until the end of April, I would say that seventy

802
00:38:48,373 --> 00:38:51,093
Speaker 6: percent of the business comes through that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that is significant. That is a great logical argument.

804
00:38:55,893 --> 00:38:58,013
Speaker 3: I think he started to to me, actually, nothing wrong

805
00:38:58,053 --> 00:39:00,373
Speaker 3: with the summer holidays. Back in a moth it is

806
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Speaker 3: seven to two.

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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

808
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

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00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:14,613
Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is four minutes to two plenty of

810
00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:15,773
Speaker 3: texts coming through and.

811
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Speaker 2: New Zealand' productivity isn't low because of Christmas, it's because

812
00:39:18,613 --> 00:39:20,893
Speaker 2: of all the extra sick days and the days that

813
00:39:20,973 --> 00:39:24,893
Speaker 2: people like to take, making them long weekends. Yeah, man,

814
00:39:24,973 --> 00:39:26,093
Speaker 2: a lot of sick days, a lot.

815
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Speaker 3: Of people taking sick days, certainly is Yeah, we're going

816
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:30,172
Speaker 3: to keep this one going because so many people want

817
00:39:30,173 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 3: to have a chat about this and we're really keen

818
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:33,093
Speaker 3: to have a chat with you. Oh eight hundred and

819
00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:37,413
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is our summer holiday shutdown too long?

820
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Speaker 3: And is it in the wrong place? Love to get

821
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Speaker 3: your thoughts on that.

822
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Speaker 2: What a bunch of simple hobbits we are and the

823
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Speaker 2: Iroquois are on their way. Have a good one your

824
00:39:46,493 --> 00:39:47,893
Speaker 2: muppets regards Mark.

825
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, a lot of love a net text.

826
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Speaker 2: Here's a bit of Gwen Stefani's singing about Christmas.

827
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Speaker 3: Stay right here and news, sport and weather fast approaching

828
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Speaker 3: but taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk ZEDB.

831
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Speaker 3: Well, how did do you welcome back into the show?

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Speaker 3: Six past two?

833
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Speaker 2: Now, if you were listening before, you would know that

834
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Speaker 2: we got a text saying I'm dropping off a package

835
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Speaker 2: for Matt and Tyler at Newstalk ZB. I'll be in

836
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Speaker 2: a few minutes. And then we got to follow up

837
00:40:33,373 --> 00:40:38,212
Speaker 2: text saying the package has been delivered. And then I thought,

838
00:40:38,253 --> 00:40:39,973
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is an explosive device, so I

839
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Speaker 2: sent Tyler down to get it.

840
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Speaker 7: You did.

841
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Speaker 3: You stayed up on the first floor, me down into.

842
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Speaker 2: The hiding under the desk, and then you went down

843
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Speaker 2: and you brought back up this tin that I have

844
00:40:50,773 --> 00:40:52,893
Speaker 2: in front of me now, and we opened it up

845
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Speaker 2: and it was an explosive device.

846
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Speaker 3: It absolutely was.

847
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Speaker 2: It was original Poeharts, like thirty five year old fire crackers.

848
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Speaker 3: Yeap, the original, the original Poora.

849
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Speaker 2: The beloved ones, and I described them as Pohas and

850
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Speaker 2: some people excidency, no, they're double happies. But I said

851
00:41:10,733 --> 00:41:14,453
Speaker 2: on the packet it says thunderbomb. But the Great New

852
00:41:14,533 --> 00:41:17,692
Speaker 2: Zealander Mike who sent this letter in with it, which

853
00:41:17,813 --> 00:41:20,853
Speaker 2: basically said where's this letter? And when we opened it up,

854
00:41:21,253 --> 00:41:23,013
Speaker 2: it was just a feather, one feather. I'd like to

855
00:41:23,093 --> 00:41:24,893
Speaker 2: know from Mike if you're still listening to what the

856
00:41:24,973 --> 00:41:26,933
Speaker 2: one feather meant, because when you opened it up, Tyler,

857
00:41:26,933 --> 00:41:28,653
Speaker 2: it was like, is this from a serial killer and

858
00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:31,293
Speaker 2: they're sending a message with just one feather on some cotton.

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Speaker 3: But it was a worry, wasn't it.

860
00:41:32,653 --> 00:41:32,813
Speaker 7: Yeah?

861
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Speaker 2: But he basically said, are you both able to dispose

862
00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:38,213
Speaker 2: of the contents of this and safely?

863
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:38,693
Speaker 7: Please?

864
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Speaker 2: They were legal in New Zealand the nineteen eighties and

865
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Speaker 2: it just said send me a copy of your book

866
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Speaker 2: for these, Matt, So I will you so we'll see them.

867
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Speaker 2: He just texted back in to clarify and what I

868
00:41:50,973 --> 00:41:52,613
Speaker 2: was talking about for Hi, guys, I've been driving but

869
00:41:52,693 --> 00:41:55,293
Speaker 2: heard your reaction an hour ago, just the reaction I

870
00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:58,253
Speaker 2: was hoping for. Those ones were a special edition that

871
00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:00,493
Speaker 2: came out one year and are extra allowed, So these

872
00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 2: are just basically extra loud Pohars or double haired. Due

873
00:42:03,853 --> 00:42:06,573
Speaker 2: to that, I've kept them for thirty five years. They

874
00:42:06,613 --> 00:42:08,933
Speaker 2: still work like the day I bought them. Looking forward

875
00:42:08,973 --> 00:42:12,172
Speaker 2: to reading Matt's book. From Mike, what a great buddy gift.

876
00:42:12,293 --> 00:42:15,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, what an awesome New Zealander. Anyone else who's got

877
00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:17,333
Speaker 3: semi legal contraband that they want to send our way

878
00:42:17,653 --> 00:42:19,133
Speaker 3: and we take it.

879
00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:21,813
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is I bought a piece of

880
00:42:22,013 --> 00:42:25,013
Speaker 2: art when I was in Coramndeltown recently, which was just

881
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:28,293
Speaker 2: a depiction, a painting of a packet of poharts. Yep,

882
00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:30,493
Speaker 2: just because I had such great memories of them. There's

883
00:42:30,533 --> 00:42:32,853
Speaker 2: a lot of no soldier there, so that that picture

884
00:42:32,933 --> 00:42:35,213
Speaker 2: is on my wall. I've just forgotten the name of

885
00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:37,533
Speaker 2: the artist, but I'll look him up again.

886
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:38,613
Speaker 3: Not Dick Frazzel.

887
00:42:38,733 --> 00:42:41,373
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Dick. I look it up. But it

888
00:42:41,853 --> 00:42:43,053
Speaker 2: was a great piece of art that I got. And

889
00:42:43,133 --> 00:42:44,212
Speaker 2: now I've got the real deal.

890
00:42:44,453 --> 00:42:46,733
Speaker 3: How good, Mike, you're a great great man. They're going

891
00:42:46,813 --> 00:42:49,373
Speaker 3: to go down to treat safely, we should say, well not,

892
00:42:50,293 --> 00:42:51,373
Speaker 3: We'll figure out what to do with them.

893
00:42:51,533 --> 00:42:53,573
Speaker 2: I probably won't let them off in the my Costing

894
00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:55,573
Speaker 2: Memorial studio, Yeah, or will.

895
00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:57,493
Speaker 3: I That quad's looking pretty empty at the moment. We

896
00:42:57,573 --> 00:42:59,093
Speaker 3: could just let off a few and see what happens.

897
00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:02,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely, surely it can't do much too much damage

898
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:04,253
Speaker 2: in this rubbishpin full of screwed up.

899
00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:07,293
Speaker 3: It's a paper beside me here, right, Let's get back

900
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:09,333
Speaker 3: to our discussion you have been having and love to

901
00:43:09,373 --> 00:43:10,813
Speaker 3: get your thoughts. So e one hundred and eighty ten

902
00:43:10,853 --> 00:43:13,653
Speaker 3: eighty is that number. So there is a bunch of

903
00:43:13,853 --> 00:43:16,853
Speaker 3: people and prominent people who are saying that our Christmas

904
00:43:16,893 --> 00:43:19,853
Speaker 3: shutdown is bad for productivity. It started off with an

905
00:43:19,853 --> 00:43:23,053
Speaker 3: opinion piece from a business advisor, Toss Grumley, who said

906
00:43:23,053 --> 00:43:25,652
Speaker 3: the mentality of circle back in fab seems to start

907
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:28,692
Speaker 3: in late November or early December. The Prime Minister Chris

908
00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 3: Luxan was asked about it by Heather do police see

909
00:43:31,013 --> 00:43:34,133
Speaker 3: Allen on this station and he said personally he gets

910
00:43:34,173 --> 00:43:36,453
Speaker 3: back to work in early jan and now. Si'mer bridge

911
00:43:36,493 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 3: is head of the Auckland Business Chamber, said there was

912
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:41,453
Speaker 3: objective merit in the idea that it's too long and

913
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:44,133
Speaker 3: in the wrong place, and he also said he's spoken

914
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:47,692
Speaker 3: to international business people who see New Zealanders as lifestylers.

915
00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:50,133
Speaker 2: Yes, so I gues the two sides of the argument

916
00:43:50,213 --> 00:43:54,493
Speaker 2: are New Zealand loses momentum, doesn't it effectively pausing the

917
00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:58,493
Speaker 2: economy for you could argue in this article argues Tas

918
00:43:58,693 --> 00:44:02,613
Speaker 2: argues eight to ten weeks doesn't he which deglays critical decisions,

919
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:06,133
Speaker 2: reduces productivity at a time when growth is already very

920
00:44:06,293 --> 00:44:09,133
Speaker 2: very soft in New Zealand. And maybe a shorter, more

921
00:44:09,173 --> 00:44:12,213
Speaker 2: efficient break would keep the country aligned with global business

922
00:44:12,293 --> 00:44:16,173
Speaker 2: rhythms and improved output. Because if you've got them shutting

923
00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:17,813
Speaker 2: down in summer and US shutting down in summer, that's

924
00:44:17,813 --> 00:44:20,573
Speaker 2: effectively us being shut down for twice the time compared

925
00:44:20,573 --> 00:44:24,213
Speaker 2: to the Northern hemisphere. But then again, New Zealand's summers,

926
00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:27,013
Speaker 2: the long summer, it's our national identity. It's one of

927
00:44:27,053 --> 00:44:28,893
Speaker 2: the most kiwi things, isn't it?

928
00:44:28,933 --> 00:44:30,053
Speaker 3: Beautiful time a year.

929
00:44:30,173 --> 00:44:34,493
Speaker 2: It's that rear time. You know, family cohesion, spend time

930
00:44:34,533 --> 00:44:39,093
Speaker 2: with the family, camping spot, health and happiness. And you know,

931
00:44:39,173 --> 00:44:42,013
Speaker 2: if we cut it simply to be like the work

932
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:44,413
Speaker 2: cultures overseas, then you know, are we just going to

933
00:44:44,613 --> 00:44:47,613
Speaker 2: blow our mental health? And you know, and a road

934
00:44:48,213 --> 00:44:51,693
Speaker 2: one of the few lifestyle benefits can we still have

935
00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:53,652
Speaker 2: one of the few great things. When people look at

936
00:44:53,693 --> 00:44:57,373
Speaker 2: New Zealand, you go that time and your stubbies going

937
00:44:57,453 --> 00:45:00,613
Speaker 2: back a bit and your flip flops yep, birkinstocks and

938
00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:04,773
Speaker 2: you're singy, sunburned and not knowing what bloody data is.

939
00:45:05,053 --> 00:45:08,293
Speaker 2: Great memories may still happen, and spending time with the kids,

940
00:45:09,093 --> 00:45:10,813
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, should camping?

941
00:45:11,373 --> 00:45:12,853
Speaker 3: I think one. You know, we get a lot of

942
00:45:12,893 --> 00:45:15,133
Speaker 3: pushback on the idea that we do anything different for

943
00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 3: the old summer holidays, and it's a kiwriter passage. As

944
00:45:17,653 --> 00:45:21,013
Speaker 3: you say, I generally think Kiwis do work hard for

945
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:23,533
Speaker 3: the majority of the year. We talk about low productivity,

946
00:45:23,573 --> 00:45:25,333
Speaker 3: but if you get a KeyWe going over to work

947
00:45:25,373 --> 00:45:29,013
Speaker 3: in Australia and nine times out of ten they say

948
00:45:29,053 --> 00:45:30,933
Speaker 3: how lazy the Aussies are. They work a thirty eight

949
00:45:31,053 --> 00:45:34,333
Speaker 3: hour week. Everything's held up by health and safety. If

950
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,933
Speaker 3: there's any chance to put down tools and not do

951
00:45:36,973 --> 00:45:38,733
Speaker 3: any work, the Aussies will take it. And it's a

952
00:45:38,813 --> 00:45:40,933
Speaker 3: frustration for a lot of Kiwi workers that they see

953
00:45:40,973 --> 00:45:43,013
Speaker 3: that and like, boys, what are we doing. We've got

954
00:45:43,053 --> 00:45:44,453
Speaker 3: a job to do. We're going to wrap this up

955
00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:46,253
Speaker 3: so we can go home and actually enjoy our time,

956
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:48,333
Speaker 3: you know. For I think the mentality for a lot

957
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:51,173
Speaker 3: of Kiwi's apart from this time of year is that

958
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:53,573
Speaker 3: we stay until the job is done. But then when

959
00:45:53,613 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 3: we get to the end of the year, we've worked

960
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:58,692
Speaker 3: our butts off that we feel now is the time

961
00:45:58,773 --> 00:46:01,373
Speaker 3: that we can have a good breather and then kackas

962
00:46:01,373 --> 00:46:02,172
Speaker 3: in the new year again.

963
00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:03,773
Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think about this?

964
00:46:04,013 --> 00:46:06,893
Speaker 2: T one hundred and eighty ten eighty this Texas Massive

965
00:46:06,893 --> 00:46:09,013
Speaker 2: amounts of money gets spent over the some break. Yeah,

966
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:12,373
Speaker 2: and we had a fantastic call pointing out that in

967
00:46:12,493 --> 00:46:16,293
Speaker 2: many ways that long break is disseminating the money earned

968
00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:19,493
Speaker 2: in the big cities out into the small beach towns

969
00:46:19,533 --> 00:46:22,733
Speaker 2: and the resort towns and moving stuff around the country

970
00:46:23,253 --> 00:46:26,653
Speaker 2: and that sort of regional economy absolutely depends on it,

971
00:46:26,773 --> 00:46:31,733
Speaker 2: especially Northland and such. But the six says absolutely not.

972
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:34,293
Speaker 2: I'm shattered by the nineteenth. Three weeks off at this

973
00:46:34,373 --> 00:46:36,212
Speaker 2: point is needed. I don't even know how you would

974
00:46:36,253 --> 00:46:39,293
Speaker 2: shift a holiday period around Christmas boxing in years are

975
00:46:39,333 --> 00:46:43,053
Speaker 2: we expected to work through all that? Leave my holidays alone?

976
00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:46,613
Speaker 3: Thank you keep those techs coming through ninety two nine two,

977
00:46:47,093 --> 00:46:48,533
Speaker 3: But we really are keen to have a chat with

978
00:46:48,573 --> 00:46:51,253
Speaker 3: you on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is

979
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:52,093
Speaker 3: thirteen past two.

980
00:46:52,453 --> 00:46:56,933
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

981
00:46:57,093 --> 00:47:01,053
Speaker 1: Afternoons call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

982
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:05,173
Speaker 3: It is sixteen past two, so we're talking about the

983
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:07,893
Speaker 3: summer break. There's been a few prominent voices come to

984
00:47:08,093 --> 00:47:11,493
Speaker 3: the four that it's too long. It's shut down for

985
00:47:11,653 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 3: eight weeks to ten weeks, and certainly with the mentality

986
00:47:14,413 --> 00:47:16,133
Speaker 3: that you wrap things up in November and don't get

987
00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,133
Speaker 3: back to it till fab So do things need a

988
00:47:18,213 --> 00:47:19,933
Speaker 3: change or is that a ride a passage is a

989
00:47:19,973 --> 00:47:20,333
Speaker 3: key week.

990
00:47:20,493 --> 00:47:22,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a few people have texted along this line,

991
00:47:23,013 --> 00:47:25,093
Speaker 2: Who the hell shuts down for eight to ten weeks

992
00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:27,373
Speaker 2: when we only get four weeks leave a year. But

993
00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:31,693
Speaker 2: the argument is that there's no guarantee that people are

994
00:47:31,733 --> 00:47:34,813
Speaker 2: going to be back, so everything gets put off and

995
00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 2: so people shove it in neutral yep, and cruise into Christmas,

996
00:47:40,373 --> 00:47:44,173
Speaker 2: just just coast into Christmas. And as I was saying before,

997
00:47:44,213 --> 00:47:47,813
Speaker 2: I've got a friend who unfortunately lost his job sort

998
00:47:47,853 --> 00:47:51,453
Speaker 2: of end of October at the beginning of November, and

999
00:47:51,613 --> 00:47:54,973
Speaker 2: the recruiting agency was like, no one's bothering to do

1000
00:47:55,373 --> 00:47:58,213
Speaker 2: the due diligence of trying to hire someone now, so

1001
00:47:58,333 --> 00:48:00,333
Speaker 2: you might as well get back to us in February.

1002
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:00,813
Speaker 3: Which sucks.

1003
00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 2: Well, I understand where they come and from, because that

1004
00:48:02,973 --> 00:48:05,453
Speaker 2: person doesn't want to work, because that person in the

1005
00:48:05,493 --> 00:48:08,173
Speaker 2: recruitment office, he's there the whole time. Yeah, it's just

1006
00:48:08,413 --> 00:48:11,173
Speaker 2: you can't the people in different companies, You can't guarantee

1007
00:48:11,253 --> 00:48:13,493
Speaker 2: who's going to be there, and everyone just gets this

1008
00:48:13,653 --> 00:48:15,813
Speaker 2: mindset that you kind of have to put things off

1009
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:17,573
Speaker 2: till after white tonguey day.

1010
00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 3: Ye you mentally switched off until that time.

1011
00:48:19,653 --> 00:48:22,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you just can't guarantee that. And you know,

1012
00:48:22,693 --> 00:48:25,732
Speaker 2: you've got the government agencies, councils and stuff that shut down,

1013
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 2: and when they open up again, they've got a backlog

1014
00:48:29,493 --> 00:48:32,493
Speaker 2: and no real motivation to clear it. So we just

1015
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:36,413
Speaker 2: get this sort of bottleneck where things don't get done

1016
00:48:36,573 --> 00:48:38,373
Speaker 2: and then it takes a long time to start up.

1017
00:48:38,573 --> 00:48:41,613
Speaker 2: Things don't get started before the break because people are

1018
00:48:41,653 --> 00:48:44,213
Speaker 2: thinking about the break, and then they don't get started

1019
00:48:44,253 --> 00:48:46,413
Speaker 2: after the breaks. People are coming back at different times,

1020
00:48:46,573 --> 00:48:50,333
Speaker 2: and also, you know there's the bottleneck yeah, from being

1021
00:48:50,373 --> 00:48:53,292
Speaker 2: closed down. So that's the argument. So we're not saying

1022
00:48:53,293 --> 00:48:55,333
Speaker 2: that people are taking eight weeks or ten weeks off.

1023
00:48:55,653 --> 00:48:56,652
Speaker 3: Certainly not, it's just.

1024
00:48:56,973 --> 00:48:58,653
Speaker 2: There's a sort of a ghost slow that happens.

1025
00:48:59,013 --> 00:49:05,413
Speaker 12: Tom, your thoughts, Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm the

1026
00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:09,533
Speaker 12: belief of the long period like a low productivity.

1027
00:49:09,613 --> 00:49:13,853
Speaker 14: I think it's basically it's a mess or maybe or

1028
00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:17,893
Speaker 14: even like a short sighted bill mm hmm. Yeah, I

1029
00:49:18,013 --> 00:49:26,813
Speaker 14: believe because I believe, I mean the I believe of

1030
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:33,053
Speaker 14: long enough and the high quality in the high quality

1031
00:49:34,213 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 14: holiday periods, and I mean it's actually good for you know,

1032
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:40,533
Speaker 14: for the it's it's sustainable and it's good for high

1033
00:49:40,613 --> 00:49:44,133
Speaker 14: quality outputs. I mean afterwards, I mean after the after

1034
00:49:44,213 --> 00:49:45,733
Speaker 14: the Christmas or after the holiday.

1035
00:49:46,173 --> 00:49:48,213
Speaker 2: So you think you come back, you come back, you

1036
00:49:48,293 --> 00:49:51,493
Speaker 2: come back from the holidays. Everyone comes back roaring and

1037
00:49:51,573 --> 00:49:55,173
Speaker 2: recharged and kicks as you know, for the first.

1038
00:49:56,573 --> 00:49:59,373
Speaker 14: If you shortened that, it's actually it's actually bad for

1039
00:49:59,493 --> 00:50:01,133
Speaker 14: the for the morole, I mean after all.

1040
00:50:02,053 --> 00:50:05,733
Speaker 2: M I guess one of the arguments, though, Tom, is

1041
00:50:06,013 --> 00:50:09,493
Speaker 2: that the rest of the world is is operational at

1042
00:50:09,533 --> 00:50:12,693
Speaker 2: this time, and you know, we're in a global economy

1043
00:50:12,813 --> 00:50:16,453
Speaker 2: right now, and so overseas people trying to do business

1044
00:50:16,493 --> 00:50:19,333
Speaker 2: here get the perception because they shut in this summer

1045
00:50:19,453 --> 00:50:21,093
Speaker 2: they've had, they have their breaking in the time they

1046
00:50:21,133 --> 00:50:22,693
Speaker 2: wish they were shut down when they need to do

1047
00:50:22,773 --> 00:50:24,453
Speaker 2: business with us, and so we miss out.

1048
00:50:25,493 --> 00:50:30,053
Speaker 14: I mean there's a loss of I mean reasons or

1049
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:34,933
Speaker 14: causes for no productive productivity. But I believe the primary

1050
00:50:35,013 --> 00:50:38,853
Speaker 14: courses in here, especially in New Zealand, I believe it's

1051
00:50:39,093 --> 00:50:41,173
Speaker 14: nothing to do with all this. I believe it's it

1052
00:50:41,213 --> 00:50:44,893
Speaker 14: should be tied with the government policy. I mean the

1053
00:50:44,973 --> 00:50:49,773
Speaker 14: compliance with the Council, the retakes, all the other regulations.

1054
00:50:50,813 --> 00:50:54,133
Speaker 14: These are the main issues for all the countries. For

1055
00:50:54,253 --> 00:50:57,613
Speaker 14: the so called the no productivity, I mean you should

1056
00:50:58,213 --> 00:51:01,453
Speaker 14: I mean the personal court production. They should always look

1057
00:51:01,573 --> 00:51:04,773
Speaker 14: up for the policy site for the for the you know,

1058
00:51:04,893 --> 00:51:08,653
Speaker 14: for the regulation site for the compliance side in instead

1059
00:51:08,693 --> 00:51:10,253
Speaker 14: of pupils.

1060
00:51:10,413 --> 00:51:10,613
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1061
00:51:10,733 --> 00:51:12,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot in that time. We're

1062
00:51:12,213 --> 00:51:15,053
Speaker 3: not saying that that's the core reason we've got low productivity.

1063
00:51:15,093 --> 00:51:17,493
Speaker 3: Obviously there's other reasons, but just on that. You know,

1064
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:20,133
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that have the Christmas shutdown

1065
00:51:20,133 --> 00:51:22,413
Speaker 3: for four weeks because it's a business decision and because

1066
00:51:22,453 --> 00:51:24,732
Speaker 3: that's the way it's always been. But what that means

1067
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:26,173
Speaker 3: for a lot of work is is they have to

1068
00:51:26,253 --> 00:51:28,253
Speaker 3: save up all of their annual leave for the end

1069
00:51:28,333 --> 00:51:31,213
Speaker 3: of the year, so they run ragged for eight months

1070
00:51:31,253 --> 00:51:32,693
Speaker 3: of the year. And I don't know if that's a

1071
00:51:32,773 --> 00:51:35,213
Speaker 3: healthy way to operate it. Doesn't it make more sense

1072
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:37,772
Speaker 3: that if there's a change in culture that you take

1073
00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:39,933
Speaker 3: a week that is completely off work, you're not on

1074
00:51:40,013 --> 00:51:42,773
Speaker 3: your emails, you switch off completely, you get a breather,

1075
00:51:43,253 --> 00:51:46,172
Speaker 3: say in March, then you take another week in July,

1076
00:51:46,613 --> 00:51:48,853
Speaker 3: then you take two weeks at Christmas. Isn't that a

1077
00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:52,573
Speaker 3: better way to operate mentally than just going hammer and

1078
00:51:52,693 --> 00:51:56,013
Speaker 3: to your rints by November? You can't be bothered until

1079
00:51:56,093 --> 00:51:57,773
Speaker 3: fab and you're going to take you four weeks in

1080
00:51:57,813 --> 00:51:58,013
Speaker 3: one go.

1081
00:51:58,373 --> 00:52:00,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also agree. I think Tom's got a good

1082
00:52:00,973 --> 00:52:04,053
Speaker 2: point there as well. The idea of you know, I

1083
00:52:04,213 --> 00:52:07,133
Speaker 2: kind of think productivity is like a piano accordion, So

1084
00:52:07,453 --> 00:52:09,133
Speaker 2: you know, in the amount of work you get done, right,

1085
00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:11,893
Speaker 2: So people always go, oh, you're stuck in traffic, So

1086
00:52:12,053 --> 00:52:14,613
Speaker 2: that is that is lower productivity. No, I think people

1087
00:52:14,693 --> 00:52:16,813
Speaker 2: can only get a certain amount done and so if

1088
00:52:16,813 --> 00:52:18,853
Speaker 2: they're stuck in traffic, they get more done when they

1089
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,373
Speaker 2: get it to work, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1090
00:52:20,413 --> 00:52:23,853
Speaker 2: the idea that people go hard all the time, so

1091
00:52:24,093 --> 00:52:27,013
Speaker 2: you know, there's no guarantee that if you just cut

1092
00:52:27,053 --> 00:52:30,573
Speaker 2: the holiday back down that people wouldn't just generally speak

1093
00:52:30,613 --> 00:52:32,733
Speaker 2: and go a little bit slower throughout the entire year.

1094
00:52:32,853 --> 00:52:35,212
Speaker 3: It's a great analogy. You love that taking your calls

1095
00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:38,133
Speaker 3: on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the Christmas shutdown?

1096
00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:40,613
Speaker 3: Is it too long? And is it in the right place?

1097
00:52:40,693 --> 00:52:42,053
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past two.

1098
00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:50,333
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1099
00:52:50,413 --> 00:52:52,293
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk Z'B.

1100
00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:54,933
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. So we're talking about the Christmas shutdown.

1101
00:52:54,933 --> 00:52:57,733
Speaker 3: There's been some criticism that it is not good for

1102
00:52:57,853 --> 00:53:00,653
Speaker 3: our economy when mentally a lot of businesses start to

1103
00:53:00,773 --> 00:53:03,573
Speaker 3: check out round about November and circle back in February.

1104
00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:05,293
Speaker 3: But what do you say, oh eight hundred and eighteen.

1105
00:53:05,053 --> 00:53:06,773
Speaker 2: Eighty The sixer says, there's an argument for the way

1106
00:53:06,813 --> 00:53:08,693
Speaker 2: people tend to switch off far to early and do

1107
00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,533
Speaker 2: take a bit too long to get back into it.

1108
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:12,853
Speaker 2: But I definitely think that for a four week period

1109
00:53:12,933 --> 00:53:16,893
Speaker 2: during the Christmas year, summer break to recharge is so good.

1110
00:53:16,973 --> 00:53:19,293
Speaker 2: Spend time at the beach with family, and friends. It's

1111
00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:21,252
Speaker 2: a good thing. Yeah, I mean, part of me thinks

1112
00:53:21,293 --> 00:53:23,653
Speaker 2: that if we've got a productivity problem, let's fix it

1113
00:53:23,813 --> 00:53:27,252
Speaker 2: out up during the rest of the year, and maybe

1114
00:53:27,413 --> 00:53:29,973
Speaker 2: there needs to be some people that stay hands on deck.

1115
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:32,933
Speaker 2: So you know, people are talking a lot about the

1116
00:53:33,053 --> 00:53:35,493
Speaker 2: problems they have with government departments shutting down and then

1117
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:37,772
Speaker 2: taking along to them start. Maybe some of those people

1118
00:53:37,893 --> 00:53:41,253
Speaker 2: have to stay at the pumps and things are workable

1119
00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:43,933
Speaker 2: for the people that are staying on. There's a lot

1120
00:53:43,973 --> 00:53:45,773
Speaker 2: of people that have to work on all across, a

1121
00:53:45,853 --> 00:53:47,893
Speaker 2: lot of people in the trades of course, the tourism industry,

1122
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,493
Speaker 2: hospital industry, they have to keep things going.

1123
00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:52,093
Speaker 3: It's fair in the public service.

1124
00:53:52,173 --> 00:53:54,333
Speaker 2: So maybe it's the public service needs to keep going

1125
00:53:54,373 --> 00:53:58,053
Speaker 2: at that time and take their holidays a bit more

1126
00:53:58,093 --> 00:54:00,933
Speaker 2: spread out across the year, so the country is operational

1127
00:54:00,973 --> 00:54:02,133
Speaker 2: if you want to use it, if you know what

1128
00:54:02,173 --> 00:54:02,613
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1129
00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:03,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

1130
00:54:05,053 --> 00:54:07,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, apart from that productivity in the rest of the year,

1131
00:54:07,653 --> 00:54:10,733
Speaker 2: because it is so good to have this holiday, so

1132
00:54:11,293 --> 00:54:14,453
Speaker 2: maybe we make sure that we work out economy such

1133
00:54:14,533 --> 00:54:16,093
Speaker 2: that we can have this amazing thing.

1134
00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:16,413
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1135
00:54:16,493 --> 00:54:18,693
Speaker 3: Interesting, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number?

1136
00:54:19,373 --> 00:54:21,333
Speaker 3: Yvon Or. Yvonne, Sorry, how are you?

1137
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:23,373
Speaker 14: I'm fine, boy?

1138
00:54:23,453 --> 00:54:26,853
Speaker 15: Is your standing good as usual? I'll wait into this.

1139
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:29,253
Speaker 15: One of the things that you both have overlocked is

1140
00:54:29,293 --> 00:54:32,093
Speaker 15: the fact that how impractical is it to take a

1141
00:54:32,173 --> 00:54:34,573
Speaker 15: heart day in the middle of July when your kids

1142
00:54:34,653 --> 00:54:38,533
Speaker 15: are at school. School teacher's di nicity about you taking

1143
00:54:38,533 --> 00:54:40,253
Speaker 15: them out of school.

1144
00:54:42,253 --> 00:54:43,773
Speaker 2: It would have to the change would have to be

1145
00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:46,013
Speaker 2: hand in hand. That would be That would actually be

1146
00:54:46,053 --> 00:54:47,853
Speaker 2: the key change. If the government was going to change this,

1147
00:54:48,373 --> 00:54:50,853
Speaker 2: they'd have to change the school holiday time, wouldn't they.

1148
00:54:52,413 --> 00:54:53,093
Speaker 7: Try that one?

1149
00:54:56,573 --> 00:54:59,973
Speaker 15: But it's not really fake. I've worked in the stress,

1150
00:55:01,373 --> 00:55:04,813
Speaker 15: working in the in the tourist industry. Christmas is full on.

1151
00:55:05,053 --> 00:55:07,252
Speaker 15: You need more hands on than normal.

1152
00:55:08,453 --> 00:55:08,773
Speaker 11: Trade.

1153
00:55:09,493 --> 00:55:12,732
Speaker 15: Think those sort of things they needed continuous. I mean

1154
00:55:13,013 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 15: I'm striking there for already you on a couple of trading. Sorry,

1155
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:21,413
Speaker 15: we're closing down. Well, I work seven days in an industry,

1156
00:55:21,453 --> 00:55:23,652
Speaker 15: the seven days a week. You want to buy beer

1157
00:55:23,733 --> 00:55:27,293
Speaker 15: on Sunday on Christmas Eve, but you don't actually want

1158
00:55:27,293 --> 00:55:31,333
Speaker 15: to work for me Christmas Eve? Well, yeah, I for that.

1159
00:55:31,773 --> 00:55:35,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think yeah realistically, and.

1160
00:55:35,893 --> 00:55:38,333
Speaker 15: Think of it from the employer's point of view. He's

1161
00:55:38,413 --> 00:55:41,653
Speaker 15: also got to maintain a trade and maintain a business

1162
00:55:41,933 --> 00:55:43,172
Speaker 15: to keep the cash work going.

1163
00:55:45,093 --> 00:55:45,253
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1164
00:55:45,413 --> 00:55:47,253
Speaker 15: Nice to have four weeks, but not very practical.

1165
00:55:47,773 --> 00:55:49,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for you cool, appreciate it.

1166
00:55:49,693 --> 00:55:52,173
Speaker 3: I never minded working over Christmas to a certain extent.

1167
00:55:52,413 --> 00:55:54,213
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're younger, it's a bit easier to

1168
00:55:54,293 --> 00:55:57,413
Speaker 3: try and push through over some of the Christmas dates

1169
00:55:57,453 --> 00:55:59,013
Speaker 3: and you get paid a little bit more money. But

1170
00:55:59,053 --> 00:56:00,573
Speaker 3: I get it gets a bit tougher as you get older,

1171
00:56:00,573 --> 00:56:01,813
Speaker 3: when you've got families, et cetera.

1172
00:56:02,573 --> 00:56:05,893
Speaker 2: This topic is just Tory nonsense from you fascists. What

1173
00:56:06,133 --> 00:56:08,613
Speaker 2: are the holidays and productively stats for a strict Earlia,

1174
00:56:08,653 --> 00:56:11,133
Speaker 2: South Africa and half of the South American companies at

1175
00:56:11,173 --> 00:56:13,172
Speaker 2: this time of the year, And who the hell wants

1176
00:56:13,213 --> 00:56:15,533
Speaker 2: to take all their holidays in July with our shitty weather.

1177
00:56:16,133 --> 00:56:18,373
Speaker 2: We are in a different hemisphere, different worlds.

1178
00:56:18,453 --> 00:56:19,333
Speaker 6: Do we do?

1179
00:56:19,453 --> 00:56:22,133
Speaker 2: We have Tory in New Zealand? Is that I feel

1180
00:56:22,173 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 2: that's slipping in? I mean, toy is a British thing, right.

1181
00:56:24,373 --> 00:56:26,053
Speaker 3: It's such a UK sledge? Is it a sledge?

1182
00:56:26,253 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 11: It is?

1183
00:56:26,733 --> 00:56:29,093
Speaker 2: It just means, it just means sort of the right

1184
00:56:29,173 --> 00:56:32,253
Speaker 2: wing parties, right, Yeah, Tory I I've just seen it

1185
00:56:32,493 --> 00:56:34,093
Speaker 2: come through in a few techs. I feel like I'm

1186
00:56:34,093 --> 00:56:35,973
Speaker 2: watching that old TV show my parents used to watch,

1187
00:56:36,093 --> 00:56:36,613
Speaker 2: Yest Minister.

1188
00:56:37,133 --> 00:56:39,733
Speaker 3: Great show. By the way, Yes, Prime Minister, thank you

1189
00:56:39,853 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 3: very much for that text. Bruce, how are you mate?

1190
00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:43,333
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1191
00:56:43,453 --> 00:56:47,613
Speaker 11: Hi guys, yeah good. The holiday, the holiday thing, it's

1192
00:56:48,173 --> 00:56:51,413
Speaker 11: I reckon, it's it's a cultural thing in New Zealand.

1193
00:56:51,453 --> 00:56:53,773
Speaker 11: But what do you guys reckon? And you've touched on

1194
00:56:53,853 --> 00:56:56,573
Speaker 11: it before, and it's just a psyche that we have

1195
00:56:57,093 --> 00:57:01,813
Speaker 11: of going on holiday m and you know, just a

1196
00:57:01,893 --> 00:57:05,893
Speaker 11: sort of case and point when you work, when you

1197
00:57:06,013 --> 00:57:09,613
Speaker 11: work overseas and come back to New Zealand. The thing

1198
00:57:09,693 --> 00:57:12,053
Speaker 11: that struck me is that the country is actually in

1199
00:57:12,293 --> 00:57:15,812
Speaker 11: slow motion most of the time. And what I'm saying

1200
00:57:15,853 --> 00:57:19,373
Speaker 11: there is talking about the mentality like we just had

1201
00:57:19,413 --> 00:57:23,293
Speaker 11: a long weekend a while ago, and the whole week

1202
00:57:23,853 --> 00:57:28,573
Speaker 11: preceding that, all the conversation on the radio and everybody

1203
00:57:28,813 --> 00:57:31,373
Speaker 11: was talking about the long weekend. You know, we were

1204
00:57:31,533 --> 00:57:34,613
Speaker 11: focused on a day off, a day off, and then

1205
00:57:35,253 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 11: I tried to get something done on Friday and that

1206
00:57:37,893 --> 00:57:40,653
Speaker 11: closed shop at two o'clock. I had to come back

1207
00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:44,213
Speaker 11: on Tuesday. That was five days to get a simple

1208
00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:47,693
Speaker 11: job done. They could have could have knocked off in

1209
00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:53,013
Speaker 11: the afternoon. So I've also I also read somewhere that

1210
00:57:53,693 --> 00:57:59,653
Speaker 11: we actually publish articles where employees told how to work

1211
00:57:59,733 --> 00:58:03,013
Speaker 11: the holiday system so they get the most days off,

1212
00:58:03,413 --> 00:58:07,093
Speaker 11: paid for their paid for the paid for by their employer,

1213
00:58:08,373 --> 00:58:12,013
Speaker 11: were doing the least work. And just one couple of

1214
00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:15,093
Speaker 11: other final comments. We talk about a work life balance

1215
00:58:15,133 --> 00:58:19,013
Speaker 11: in this country and burnout. I've worked in other countries

1216
00:58:19,013 --> 00:58:21,413
Speaker 11: all over the world and they never talk about burnout

1217
00:58:21,573 --> 00:58:24,573
Speaker 11: or work life balance. And from where I'm seeing, I

1218
00:58:24,653 --> 00:58:29,533
Speaker 11: could not imagine many New Zealand workers suffering from burnout or.

1219
00:58:31,293 --> 00:58:32,253
Speaker 7: Or work overload.

1220
00:58:32,373 --> 00:58:36,293
Speaker 11: We you know, we really, we really are a country

1221
00:58:36,373 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 11: in slow motion. It's hard to say it when.

1222
00:58:40,733 --> 00:58:42,613
Speaker 2: That's so true, Bruce, When people when you come back

1223
00:58:42,653 --> 00:58:47,453
Speaker 2: from overseas, when I've been working in London or Los Angeles,

1224
00:58:47,813 --> 00:58:50,053
Speaker 2: even or when I've been in India and I come

1225
00:58:50,053 --> 00:58:52,693
Speaker 2: back to New Zealand, the pace of life here is

1226
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:56,653
Speaker 2: very slow. Even the pace of conversation is very very slow,

1227
00:58:56,693 --> 00:59:00,813
Speaker 2: and we do we do tend to circle our conversation

1228
00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:04,693
Speaker 2: around things like the weather and the upcoming holidays. And

1229
00:59:04,853 --> 00:59:08,173
Speaker 2: I had a Chan to a friend the other day

1230
00:59:08,573 --> 00:59:11,013
Speaker 2: and you know, it took two weeks out and I said,

1231
00:59:11,733 --> 00:59:13,573
Speaker 2: you know, you look like you've shoved it neutral and

1232
00:59:13,613 --> 00:59:16,053
Speaker 2: you're cruising down to Christmas. And he goes, yeah, for

1233
00:59:16,093 --> 00:59:18,373
Speaker 2: about a month, and actually I've been going reverse for

1234
00:59:18,373 --> 00:59:22,773
Speaker 2: the last two weeks. So if we actually went hard,

1235
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,653
Speaker 2: if we just went absolutely hard, because we all feel

1236
00:59:25,693 --> 00:59:27,653
Speaker 2: it at this time of year, we start going, oh yeah,

1237
00:59:27,653 --> 00:59:29,813
Speaker 2: we're thinking about it, we start slowing down even slower

1238
00:59:29,853 --> 00:59:32,413
Speaker 2: than we are before. And we just went wrote hard

1239
00:59:32,493 --> 00:59:34,693
Speaker 2: right up to the finish line and then rest it

1240
00:59:34,773 --> 00:59:36,733
Speaker 2: hard and then came back hard, it would be fine.

1241
00:59:36,733 --> 00:59:38,853
Speaker 2: But that's what they're talking about. This eight eight to

1242
00:59:38,933 --> 00:59:41,013
Speaker 2: ten weeks. It becomes this what you're talking about, Bruce,

1243
00:59:41,133 --> 00:59:44,293
Speaker 2: is it? It becomes a slow down before the actual

1244
00:59:44,613 --> 00:59:46,933
Speaker 2: holiday and then and then it's a slow start.

1245
00:59:48,133 --> 00:59:49,973
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah sort of instead of it should be

1246
00:59:50,093 --> 00:59:53,813
Speaker 11: work hard, play hard, you know, work hard, play hard

1247
00:59:53,893 --> 00:59:55,493
Speaker 11: for a while and then get back to work again.

1248
00:59:55,613 --> 00:59:58,973
Speaker 11: It's just it's a cultural thing and you can't blame it.

1249
00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:00,453
Speaker 11: You know that I'm up in the far nor the

1250
01:00:00,573 --> 01:00:03,733
Speaker 11: weather is just dreamy. You don't feel like working. It's

1251
01:00:03,853 --> 01:00:06,973
Speaker 11: just it's beautiful. You're hanging out on the beach, and

1252
01:00:07,213 --> 01:00:09,373
Speaker 11: I can't blame people for not wanting to work at

1253
01:00:09,453 --> 01:00:12,773
Speaker 11: this time of year because January February March I just

1254
01:00:14,093 --> 01:00:15,613
Speaker 11: copy the best climate in the world.

1255
01:00:16,173 --> 01:00:18,493
Speaker 2: It's been fantastic, Bruce. Thank for your call. Someone also

1256
01:00:18,893 --> 01:00:20,973
Speaker 2: is sort of talking about the climate here. It's not

1257
01:00:21,133 --> 01:00:22,973
Speaker 2: that the holiday period is too long. It's at the

1258
01:00:23,013 --> 01:00:25,293
Speaker 2: wrong time. The weather between Christmas and New Years is

1259
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:27,533
Speaker 2: always shy. It every year, and there is a story

1260
01:00:27,573 --> 01:00:30,453
Speaker 2: on TV about washed out Sodom campus home after a

1261
01:00:30,493 --> 01:00:33,253
Speaker 2: tropical cyclone. Then everyone needs to work to school in

1262
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:35,973
Speaker 2: February when it's thirty plus degrees. We need to move

1263
01:00:36,053 --> 01:00:38,413
Speaker 2: Christmas to two jan twenty five. Or what we could

1264
01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:40,853
Speaker 2: do is we could just treat Christmas a little bit

1265
01:00:40,893 --> 01:00:43,493
Speaker 2: like Easter. We have a couple of days off yep,

1266
01:00:44,093 --> 01:00:46,613
Speaker 2: and then we move and so that that's sort of

1267
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:50,013
Speaker 2: a week break there, and then we have another holiday

1268
01:00:50,453 --> 01:00:54,293
Speaker 2: around March late February. March. Yea up here, but you

1269
01:00:54,373 --> 01:00:57,133
Speaker 2: know I'm from Dunedin and your midwinter by March ten.

1270
01:00:58,773 --> 01:01:00,533
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is another to call.

1271
01:01:00,613 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 3: Headlines with Ray Lean in nineteen nine till it is

1272
01:01:03,533 --> 01:01:06,133
Speaker 3: a text number of that shier thing back very shortly.

1273
01:01:08,493 --> 01:01:08,653
Speaker 7: Used.

1274
01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:12,133
Speaker 5: Talks at be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

1275
01:01:12,333 --> 01:01:15,693
Speaker 5: trouble with a blue bubble. The Resource Management Act is

1276
01:01:15,813 --> 01:01:19,293
Speaker 5: officially bound for the scrap heap, being replaced by two

1277
01:01:19,413 --> 01:01:22,813
Speaker 5: new laws aiming to cut consent and permit numbers by

1278
01:01:22,973 --> 01:01:27,733
Speaker 5: forty six percent and speed up those still required. Police

1279
01:01:27,773 --> 01:01:30,453
Speaker 5: have confirmed two people died in a house fire at

1280
01:01:30,493 --> 01:01:34,253
Speaker 5: Munuwatu's Foxton Beach this morning, after searching for the occupant

1281
01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:37,933
Speaker 5: since this morning. Police hunting a man after a fatal

1282
01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:42,333
Speaker 5: bus attack in Auckland's Glen Enns yesterday believe he's still armed.

1283
01:01:42,733 --> 01:01:45,853
Speaker 5: They're asking people with any information on thirty six year

1284
01:01:45,853 --> 01:01:49,253
Speaker 5: old Adrian Parney to call one one one, but worn

1285
01:01:49,333 --> 01:01:53,133
Speaker 5: he's dangerous and shouldn't be approached. Fire crews and a

1286
01:01:53,173 --> 01:01:56,373
Speaker 5: handful of helicopters are still battling a large fire burning

1287
01:01:56,493 --> 01:02:01,133
Speaker 5: since yesterday at Thomido National Park. Its perimeter is about

1288
01:02:01,253 --> 01:02:04,973
Speaker 5: eighty percent contained, It hasn't grown and covers two hundred

1289
01:02:04,973 --> 01:02:09,173
Speaker 5: and ninety six hectares. ACC's staff get their wish to

1290
01:02:09,293 --> 01:02:12,013
Speaker 5: keep working from home three days a week with a

1291
01:02:12,093 --> 01:02:15,813
Speaker 5: proposal scrap that required staff in the office three days

1292
01:02:15,933 --> 01:02:20,013
Speaker 5: up from two. You are a predator and a pedophile.

1293
01:02:20,573 --> 01:02:24,573
Speaker 5: Child abuse survivor confronts rapist in court. You can see

1294
01:02:24,573 --> 01:02:27,533
Speaker 5: the story at Enzaid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath

1295
01:02:27,573 --> 01:02:28,373
Speaker 5: and Tyler Adams.

1296
01:02:28,493 --> 01:02:30,813
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're carrying on

1297
01:02:30,893 --> 01:02:33,013
Speaker 3: this discussion we've been having because where I got a

1298
01:02:33,013 --> 01:02:34,453
Speaker 3: lot of people who want to have a chat about this,

1299
01:02:34,533 --> 01:02:37,413
Speaker 3: the old Christmas shutdown. There's been several voices come to

1300
01:02:37,453 --> 01:02:39,653
Speaker 3: the for saying it's at the wrong time, it's too long,

1301
01:02:40,053 --> 01:02:43,213
Speaker 3: and the mentality of pretty much wrapping up at November

1302
01:02:43,253 --> 01:02:47,973
Speaker 3: and circling back until February is you know, lowering our productivity.

1303
01:02:48,013 --> 01:02:49,733
Speaker 3: What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1304
01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:52,133
Speaker 2: The sixer says, I don't mind people who take three

1305
01:02:52,173 --> 01:02:55,093
Speaker 2: to four weeks off, but often solicitors and medical consultants

1306
01:02:55,173 --> 01:02:58,773
Speaker 2: talk take half December, all of January and then at

1307
01:02:58,853 --> 01:03:00,133
Speaker 2: least the first week of Februe IV.

1308
01:03:00,413 --> 01:03:00,573
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1309
01:03:00,613 --> 01:03:04,133
Speaker 2: See, that is the problem. It's the it's the stuff

1310
01:03:04,173 --> 01:03:07,333
Speaker 2: either side where you can't get things done because whilst

1311
01:03:07,373 --> 01:03:10,093
Speaker 2: most of us aren't taking that long off, some of

1312
01:03:10,213 --> 01:03:14,293
Speaker 2: us are, yeah, and so the infrastructure there isn't there

1313
01:03:15,013 --> 01:03:17,293
Speaker 2: such that people can plan to do things.

1314
01:03:17,413 --> 01:03:17,613
Speaker 3: Yep.

1315
01:03:18,293 --> 01:03:22,093
Speaker 2: So even if you're back, you can't really kick off

1316
01:03:22,133 --> 01:03:24,293
Speaker 2: at the same speed as you would like to. If

1317
01:03:24,293 --> 01:03:26,293
Speaker 2: we all hit the ground running at the same speed

1318
01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:29,493
Speaker 2: and we came back and we're like boom, let's go,

1319
01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:31,653
Speaker 2: then it would be all right.

1320
01:03:31,813 --> 01:03:33,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's so I mean, trying to get a

1321
01:03:33,453 --> 01:03:35,493
Speaker 3: hold of a lawyer over the Christmas time will generally

1322
01:03:35,533 --> 01:03:37,173
Speaker 3: good luck to you. And what if if you've just

1323
01:03:37,213 --> 01:03:39,333
Speaker 3: bought a house. I know circumstances like this that people

1324
01:03:39,373 --> 01:03:41,813
Speaker 3: have bought a house and then the lawyers are saying, well,

1325
01:03:41,853 --> 01:03:44,973
Speaker 3: I'm gone until feb. So you forget about your settlement

1326
01:03:45,053 --> 01:03:46,533
Speaker 3: date in the next couple of months, come back to

1327
01:03:46,613 --> 01:03:48,213
Speaker 3: me and Feb and we'll sort it. Then you've just

1328
01:03:48,253 --> 01:03:49,893
Speaker 3: bought a bloomin house you want to move into it,

1329
01:03:49,973 --> 01:03:50,693
Speaker 3: get it sorted out.

1330
01:03:50,893 --> 01:03:51,013
Speaker 7: Well.

1331
01:03:51,053 --> 01:03:52,693
Speaker 2: On the reverse side, because I've just bought a house

1332
01:03:52,733 --> 01:03:54,853
Speaker 2: and moved in, the high guys tribing a tradesman this

1333
01:03:55,293 --> 01:03:58,613
Speaker 2: time of year usually fill steam until Christmas Eve, last

1334
01:03:58,653 --> 01:04:01,413
Speaker 2: minute unorganized homeowners. Yeah, I keep saying the trader is

1335
01:04:01,453 --> 01:04:02,933
Speaker 2: can you do it before Christmas? And they're like, are

1336
01:04:02,973 --> 01:04:03,933
Speaker 2: you serious.

1337
01:04:04,053 --> 01:04:04,893
Speaker 3: They'd laugh in your face.

1338
01:04:06,933 --> 01:04:08,933
Speaker 2: Some of them have though, some of them. You know,

1339
01:04:08,973 --> 01:04:12,253
Speaker 2: I've got some flooring, a new floor being put in

1340
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:16,253
Speaker 2: on Friday, nice over the weekend, so I leave it.

1341
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:19,173
Speaker 3: At last minute, don't you. Yeah, that's the bloody thirteenth

1342
01:04:19,213 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 3: of December. That's crazy town. It's a good trading.

1343
01:04:23,533 --> 01:04:26,093
Speaker 2: Asked them though, like what could you And then they

1344
01:04:26,173 --> 01:04:28,093
Speaker 2: came back and said, we found you know, a joy

1345
01:04:28,133 --> 01:04:29,733
Speaker 2: has been canceled. We've got to we're coming in.

1346
01:04:30,373 --> 01:04:30,773
Speaker 3: How good?

1347
01:04:31,173 --> 01:04:33,253
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm doing that to trade these to a number.

1348
01:04:33,253 --> 01:04:35,733
Speaker 2: I'm saying, would you be able to do that? Like

1349
01:04:35,893 --> 01:04:37,613
Speaker 2: this afternoon, can you sneak me in.

1350
01:04:39,293 --> 01:04:39,493
Speaker 3: Mike?

1351
01:04:40,613 --> 01:04:46,533
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, yeah, just on the Christmas break. In my view,

1352
01:04:46,573 --> 01:04:49,453
Speaker 13: we should completely get rid of it. It's just another

1353
01:04:49,613 --> 01:04:53,853
Speaker 13: religious break that's right in the way. We're not run

1354
01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:58,413
Speaker 13: by that type of thing anymore. And why we're unproductive, Well,

1355
01:04:58,453 --> 01:05:00,933
Speaker 13: we're a tiny little Pacific island nation at the bottom

1356
01:05:00,973 --> 01:05:05,533
Speaker 13: of the world but off most world maps. You know,

1357
01:05:06,013 --> 01:05:10,213
Speaker 13: people here are inherently lazy, especially a lot of the boomers,

1358
01:05:10,893 --> 01:05:13,853
Speaker 13: but a lot of the younger people generations. Over and

1359
01:05:13,933 --> 01:05:17,093
Speaker 13: over again. Of course they leave for Australia or wherever

1360
01:05:17,213 --> 01:05:19,413
Speaker 13: and never come back. And there's three things that we

1361
01:05:19,533 --> 01:05:22,453
Speaker 13: do in this country. Three things we do agriculture, we

1362
01:05:22,613 --> 01:05:25,573
Speaker 13: do tourism, and we do housing. Now, wonder way, we're

1363
01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:26,373
Speaker 13: so unproductive.

1364
01:05:26,973 --> 01:05:29,853
Speaker 3: You've coming hot, Like I'm going to say, so, yeah, yeah,

1365
01:05:29,933 --> 01:05:31,853
Speaker 3: no more Christmas. We'll get rid of Christmas.

1366
01:05:31,933 --> 01:05:34,133
Speaker 2: Well, you know, like you know a lot of people

1367
01:05:34,213 --> 01:05:38,933
Speaker 2: celebrate Christmas religiously. For other people, it's trees and Santa

1368
01:05:39,013 --> 01:05:43,493
Speaker 2: Claus and various other things like that. You know that

1369
01:05:43,693 --> 01:05:45,693
Speaker 2: that part of it. So it's a celebration. I mean

1370
01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:48,693
Speaker 2: they're getting together for a communal dinner, family dinner. That

1371
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:49,973
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good thing, isn't.

1372
01:05:50,013 --> 01:05:50,173
Speaker 7: Mike?

1373
01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:53,773
Speaker 13: Excuse me about families and communities are broken down in

1374
01:05:53,813 --> 01:05:56,173
Speaker 13: this country. Why don't you just look at the you know,

1375
01:05:56,373 --> 01:05:59,533
Speaker 13: your average family, they're like, you know, they're broken up.

1376
01:05:59,653 --> 01:06:02,133
Speaker 13: You know, they're torn apart. You know, it's a breakdown

1377
01:06:02,213 --> 01:06:04,813
Speaker 13: mate in society. I mean maybe in that maybe in

1378
01:06:04,853 --> 01:06:07,053
Speaker 13: the rich area, there's a nice little community with a

1379
01:06:07,173 --> 01:06:10,573
Speaker 13: nice little pre isn't Christmas trees and all that. But

1380
01:06:10,653 --> 01:06:12,813
Speaker 13: I say get rid of Easter and get a lot

1381
01:06:12,853 --> 01:06:14,893
Speaker 13: of these holidays, Like you were saying someone was saying

1382
01:06:14,973 --> 01:06:19,973
Speaker 13: previously that we just come off a a a long weekend.

1383
01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:22,973
Speaker 13: You know, it's like long weekend after long weekend, things

1384
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:25,533
Speaker 13: are shut down. You know, I think a lot of

1385
01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:27,933
Speaker 13: New Zealanders are fed up with that. But you know,

1386
01:06:28,053 --> 01:06:30,813
Speaker 13: we're really unproductive because we don't mind for oil, we

1387
01:06:30,893 --> 01:06:33,573
Speaker 13: don't mind for gold. You know, we're all green peace

1388
01:06:33,653 --> 01:06:35,773
Speaker 13: and people want to vote the Greens, you know, and

1389
01:06:35,893 --> 01:06:38,173
Speaker 13: we want to save the world and bring everyone over

1390
01:06:38,213 --> 01:06:40,293
Speaker 13: here from Gaza. And in the next minute, we've got

1391
01:06:40,293 --> 01:06:43,093
Speaker 13: a housing crisis. You know, We've got much more problems

1392
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 13: than taking long breaks in this country.

1393
01:06:45,893 --> 01:06:48,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well, Mike, you're very compassionate about it,

1394
01:06:49,693 --> 01:06:51,933
Speaker 2: very passionate about Mike going to just go back to

1395
01:06:52,173 --> 01:06:53,893
Speaker 2: the point you made before. But I think that's that's

1396
01:06:53,893 --> 01:06:55,173
Speaker 2: a good one that you're saying. We do have a

1397
01:06:55,213 --> 01:07:00,493
Speaker 2: problem in our country that we are agriculture, housing and

1398
01:07:00,653 --> 01:07:04,453
Speaker 2: tourism and and it's hard to become. You know, we're

1399
01:07:04,533 --> 01:07:06,573
Speaker 2: very productive in the agriculture six year we've got we've

1400
01:07:06,573 --> 01:07:08,493
Speaker 2: got the productivity there if you if you just did

1401
01:07:08,533 --> 01:07:13,053
Speaker 2: our productivity and agriculture and tourism very good. And the

1402
01:07:13,133 --> 01:07:17,493
Speaker 2: housing thing, that's that's an interesting one because it's great

1403
01:07:17,613 --> 01:07:20,253
Speaker 2: internal economy. Yeah sure, but it's not bringing a lot

1404
01:07:20,293 --> 01:07:24,573
Speaker 2: of money into the into the country from overseas well.

1405
01:07:24,613 --> 01:07:26,813
Speaker 13: It's been great for the boomer homeowners in the last

1406
01:07:26,853 --> 01:07:29,133
Speaker 13: thirty or forty years, hasn't it, especially in the last

1407
01:07:29,173 --> 01:07:31,173
Speaker 13: ten or twenty. I mean, you know, it's just been

1408
01:07:31,213 --> 01:07:35,293
Speaker 13: a boom for them. Everyone else has been kicked aside.

1409
01:07:35,373 --> 01:07:40,853
Speaker 2: You know, astenicses and elder millennials have done all right

1410
01:07:40,893 --> 01:07:41,453
Speaker 2: by it as well.

1411
01:07:41,653 --> 01:07:44,133
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, you know that's right. I mean, you know,

1412
01:07:44,253 --> 01:07:46,013
Speaker 13: but the problem is that what are we going to

1413
01:07:46,133 --> 01:07:48,533
Speaker 13: do for people? Why do we just encourage people to

1414
01:07:48,653 --> 01:07:51,493
Speaker 13: have broken families? And it's all okay, just like people

1415
01:07:51,493 --> 01:07:53,453
Speaker 13: should have a license to have children, mate.

1416
01:07:53,733 --> 01:07:56,813
Speaker 2: But people would say things like Christmas and the people

1417
01:07:56,933 --> 01:07:59,093
Speaker 2: that have the you know, you talk about Christmas being

1418
01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,133
Speaker 2: a religious thing. The people that have the strongest families

1419
01:08:02,253 --> 01:08:05,733
Speaker 2: are actually in our country, the religious people.

1420
01:08:06,253 --> 01:08:07,493
Speaker 13: Isn't that hypocritical?

1421
01:08:08,093 --> 01:08:09,133
Speaker 6: You find that true?

1422
01:08:09,253 --> 01:08:12,093
Speaker 13: Right way, in what way and every way that they go,

1423
01:08:12,213 --> 01:08:14,253
Speaker 13: and they go and profess them. It's all okay, they're

1424
01:08:14,293 --> 01:08:16,293
Speaker 13: big families and all the rest of it. But don't

1425
01:08:16,333 --> 01:08:18,213
Speaker 13: worry about how to take care of them because God

1426
01:08:18,293 --> 01:08:20,612
Speaker 13: will do the work. Well, you know, come on, man,

1427
01:08:20,693 --> 01:08:22,732
Speaker 13: let's just these are the worse than the Bible times.

1428
01:08:23,053 --> 01:08:25,972
Speaker 13: These days that we live in now, I reckon, I reckon, these.

1429
01:08:25,812 --> 01:08:27,333
Speaker 2: Are some of these I reckon, these are some of

1430
01:08:27,372 --> 01:08:29,013
Speaker 2: the best times we've ever lived. I was saying to

1431
01:08:29,053 --> 01:08:31,173
Speaker 2: my son this morning, terrible. I was saying to my son,

1432
01:08:31,213 --> 01:08:32,652
Speaker 2: I mean, New Zealand's about the best you got it

1433
01:08:32,692 --> 01:08:35,253
Speaker 2: in the entire world. We know that we're in one

1434
01:08:35,293 --> 01:08:36,932
Speaker 2: of the luckiest places in the world and we live

1435
01:08:37,293 --> 01:08:39,492
Speaker 2: the basically one of the best lives we can. But

1436
01:08:39,532 --> 01:08:42,012
Speaker 2: I was saying to my son, who's nineteen, we're walking

1437
01:08:42,053 --> 01:08:44,412
Speaker 2: the dog this morning, and he was talking about, you know,

1438
01:08:44,853 --> 01:08:46,293
Speaker 2: his life and stuff, and I said, you know what,

1439
01:08:46,333 --> 01:08:48,213
Speaker 2: you're one of the first generations and so as I.

1440
01:08:48,692 --> 01:08:51,692
Speaker 2: When you're nineteen, you're not at war. So we need

1441
01:08:51,772 --> 01:08:53,133
Speaker 2: to hold on to that. At least we're not being

1442
01:08:53,173 --> 01:08:55,572
Speaker 2: put through the meat. At least we're not being put

1443
01:08:55,612 --> 01:08:58,853
Speaker 2: through the meat grinder like the young men for generations,

1444
01:08:58,933 --> 01:09:01,372
Speaker 2: going back, for ever and ever we're Mike, that's one

1445
01:09:01,412 --> 01:09:02,053
Speaker 2: thing to hold on to you.

1446
01:09:02,893 --> 01:09:04,492
Speaker 13: So I said, but we're all going to good big

1447
01:09:04,532 --> 01:09:06,412
Speaker 13: going back to war in my opinion, but no one

1448
01:09:06,452 --> 01:09:09,213
Speaker 13: wants to talk about that, do they. So everyone enjoying

1449
01:09:09,213 --> 01:09:11,452
Speaker 13: a nice holiday and your nice holidays off. But in

1450
01:09:11,532 --> 01:09:13,173
Speaker 13: my view, I'd be getting ready for all that.

1451
01:09:14,093 --> 01:09:14,852
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for me.

1452
01:09:14,893 --> 01:09:15,532
Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike.

1453
01:09:15,732 --> 01:09:17,213
Speaker 2: A lot to unpack from Mike's cool.

1454
01:09:17,293 --> 01:09:19,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, passionate, passionate, And we love you, Mike, and we

1455
01:09:19,772 --> 01:09:21,492
Speaker 3: hope things well. I hope things work out for you.

1456
01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:23,053
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in Mike's life at the moment.

1457
01:09:23,093 --> 01:09:25,412
Speaker 2: Obviously, I do think that things aren't as bad as

1458
01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:28,253
Speaker 2: people think they are. I mean, we don't starve now,

1459
01:09:28,732 --> 01:09:30,372
Speaker 2: so people think, you know, people a lot of people

1460
01:09:30,372 --> 01:09:32,093
Speaker 2: walking around saying we've got the worst it's the worst

1461
01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:33,652
Speaker 2: time to live and it's the worst place to live

1462
01:09:33,692 --> 01:09:35,812
Speaker 2: in New Zealand's that's sort of a beat up. It's

1463
01:09:35,812 --> 01:09:38,253
Speaker 2: actually pretty much the easiest time to live in the

1464
01:09:38,492 --> 01:09:42,052
Speaker 2: in the in history. I mean, people talk about the sixties,

1465
01:09:42,133 --> 01:09:45,532
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, but if you had any different ideas

1466
01:09:45,652 --> 01:09:48,093
Speaker 2: then the general ideas that were going around at that time,

1467
01:09:48,173 --> 01:09:50,253
Speaker 2: then then it wasn't a good It wasn't a good

1468
01:09:50,253 --> 01:09:52,293
Speaker 2: time to try new things back then.

1469
01:09:52,452 --> 01:09:55,852
Speaker 3: Exactly, and just you know, the level of different types

1470
01:09:55,893 --> 01:09:58,053
Speaker 3: of food that we can access. Just strolling through the

1471
01:09:58,093 --> 01:10:00,252
Speaker 3: door of the supermarket. Back in the sixties and seventies,

1472
01:10:00,333 --> 01:10:02,532
Speaker 3: you can't find eighty percent of that stuff. It was

1473
01:10:02,572 --> 01:10:05,132
Speaker 3: potatoes and meat and a few other bits and pieces.

1474
01:10:05,372 --> 01:10:05,892
Speaker 7: But just the.

1475
01:10:06,173 --> 01:10:09,733
Speaker 3: General options that you've got in general and today's living.

1476
01:10:09,532 --> 01:10:12,053
Speaker 2: Well, just how few things people had had a few

1477
01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:15,732
Speaker 2: possessions people have. Everyone was darning their socks. They went

1478
01:10:15,812 --> 01:10:17,532
Speaker 2: just going and buying another pair of rubbish socks that

1479
01:10:17,612 --> 01:10:20,572
Speaker 2: have been imported that were full of microplastics, and you

1480
01:10:20,732 --> 01:10:22,492
Speaker 2: just wear them a few times, your big toe comes

1481
01:10:22,492 --> 01:10:23,253
Speaker 2: out one hole and of.

1482
01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:24,452
Speaker 3: Them in the rubbish exactly.

1483
01:10:24,612 --> 01:10:26,852
Speaker 2: You know, people were sitting at home darling their socks

1484
01:10:26,853 --> 01:10:30,372
Speaker 2: because they couldn't afford to have multiple pairs of socks.

1485
01:10:30,412 --> 01:10:32,732
Speaker 2: That was right up into the eighties, ye, that people

1486
01:10:32,772 --> 01:10:34,612
Speaker 2: were doing that. So I don't think I think these

1487
01:10:34,612 --> 01:10:37,452
Speaker 2: are reasonably good times to be alive, you know, And

1488
01:10:37,572 --> 01:10:39,732
Speaker 2: to go back to the point I've made before. You know,

1489
01:10:40,133 --> 01:10:45,213
Speaker 2: the boomers, Gen X and Millennials and Gen Z these

1490
01:10:45,293 --> 01:10:47,812
Speaker 2: are rare generations. And some people went to war. You know,

1491
01:10:47,933 --> 01:10:51,092
Speaker 2: there was Korean War, Vietnam War, and we've had involvements

1492
01:10:51,133 --> 01:10:54,612
Speaker 2: in the Middle East and such. But generally speaking, every

1493
01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:59,132
Speaker 2: other generation going back through history had to lose members

1494
01:10:59,133 --> 01:11:02,372
Speaker 2: of their family to war. Yeah, I mean that's good.

1495
01:11:02,452 --> 01:11:04,533
Speaker 2: That's something to hang your hat on exactly perspective.

1496
01:11:04,612 --> 01:11:06,532
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1497
01:11:06,532 --> 01:11:08,293
Speaker 3: to call Love to hear your thoughts about the crew

1498
01:11:08,372 --> 01:11:10,452
Speaker 3: Smith shut down? Is it too long?

1499
01:11:10,612 --> 01:11:10,772
Speaker 7: Back?

1500
01:11:10,893 --> 01:11:12,093
Speaker 3: Very shortly? Sixteen to three?

1501
01:11:12,213 --> 01:11:14,853
Speaker 2: But can I just say to Mike great call Love

1502
01:11:14,853 --> 01:11:15,772
Speaker 2: the passion, you're a good man.

1503
01:11:15,853 --> 01:11:22,692
Speaker 1: Mike your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

1504
01:11:22,253 --> 01:11:25,453
Speaker 8: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk, say'd.

1505
01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:28,173
Speaker 3: Be thirteen to three. So we have been talking about

1506
01:11:28,253 --> 01:11:31,013
Speaker 3: the summer break. There's been some prominent voices say it's

1507
01:11:31,013 --> 01:11:33,692
Speaker 3: too longer at the wrong time. But there's a heck

1508
01:11:33,732 --> 01:11:37,093
Speaker 3: of a lot of feedback to Mike's call. Who came

1509
01:11:37,253 --> 01:11:39,612
Speaker 3: through before Mike was a bit upset about some elements

1510
01:11:39,612 --> 01:11:41,852
Speaker 3: of New Zealand life. Can you hear from you on

1511
01:11:41,933 --> 01:11:43,212
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1512
01:11:43,213 --> 01:11:45,052
Speaker 2: Mary, Welcome to the show. You're just back from India.

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01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:49,972
Speaker 16: I believe, yes, I am, And Mike has absolutely nothing

1514
01:11:50,053 --> 01:11:53,732
Speaker 16: to complain about, Mike, go and see what other people

1515
01:11:53,812 --> 01:11:56,532
Speaker 16: have to put up with. I've been home for one week.

1516
01:11:57,412 --> 01:12:00,852
Speaker 16: I loved the trip, but I hate to say I

1517
01:12:00,973 --> 01:12:03,213
Speaker 16: loved it because of the poverty.

1518
01:12:02,853 --> 01:12:03,572
Speaker 17: And what I saw.

1519
01:12:04,732 --> 01:12:09,053
Speaker 16: So Mike, we've got nothing to complain about. This is

1520
01:12:09,093 --> 01:12:11,892
Speaker 16: a beautiful country and we're very lucky to live here.

1521
01:12:12,933 --> 01:12:15,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone was playing out. Someone was just pointing out

1522
01:12:15,853 --> 01:12:17,253
Speaker 2: on the text machine. I can't find it because there's

1523
01:12:17,253 --> 01:12:19,932
Speaker 2: so many coming through. But essentially, you know, we use

1524
01:12:21,053 --> 01:12:23,812
Speaker 2: clean water in our toilets. We have so much water

1525
01:12:23,973 --> 01:12:28,452
Speaker 2: that we flush, water that you could drink away and

1526
01:12:28,612 --> 01:12:31,772
Speaker 2: in huge parts of the world, the idea that you

1527
01:12:32,093 --> 01:12:34,532
Speaker 2: have it was interestingly. I'll say this to my son

1528
01:12:34,572 --> 01:12:36,732
Speaker 2: because we walked up a mountain this morning and there was,

1529
01:12:37,053 --> 01:12:39,692
Speaker 2: you know, it was a mountain. It's called a mount

1530
01:12:39,812 --> 01:12:42,333
Speaker 2: by the way. It had the big water tank on

1531
01:12:42,372 --> 01:12:44,253
Speaker 2: the top, and I was just explaining how water pressure

1532
01:12:44,293 --> 01:12:46,093
Speaker 2: works and how you know, you have to have the

1533
01:12:46,133 --> 01:12:48,213
Speaker 2: big tank up the top to create the water pressure

1534
01:12:48,253 --> 01:12:49,652
Speaker 2: in the pipe, so when you turn on a tap,

1535
01:12:49,973 --> 01:12:52,093
Speaker 2: the water comes out. And I was just saying, we

1536
01:12:52,492 --> 01:12:54,732
Speaker 2: forget about this, We forget about the incredible things that

1537
01:12:54,812 --> 01:12:56,492
Speaker 2: we have we just walk around and we don't look

1538
01:12:56,652 --> 01:12:58,933
Speaker 2: at what we've got and go. That's amazing. But the

1539
01:12:59,013 --> 01:13:00,892
Speaker 2: fact that you can turn on a tap and get

1540
01:13:00,973 --> 01:13:03,213
Speaker 2: water that you can drink out of the tap in

1541
01:13:03,333 --> 01:13:08,692
Speaker 2: your house is you have something that many many, many

1542
01:13:08,812 --> 01:13:12,572
Speaker 2: many many many millions, hundreds of millions of people, billions

1543
01:13:12,612 --> 01:13:13,372
Speaker 2: of people don't.

1544
01:13:14,293 --> 01:13:18,452
Speaker 16: Thirty plus million people just in Delhi living under a

1545
01:13:18,572 --> 01:13:23,852
Speaker 16: tree branch a family no clean water is a tourist.

1546
01:13:24,093 --> 01:13:26,173
Speaker 16: I mean, you can't drink your water. You have to

1547
01:13:26,213 --> 01:13:30,013
Speaker 16: buy a bottle of water. But you know, we just

1548
01:13:30,253 --> 01:13:33,092
Speaker 16: live in such a God blessed country.

1549
01:13:33,293 --> 01:13:37,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Mary, I often think about this. I

1550
01:13:37,652 --> 01:13:39,973
Speaker 2: often think about these too, that they come to my

1551
01:13:40,293 --> 01:13:42,293
Speaker 2: mind when I think about this. When I was in

1552
01:13:43,213 --> 01:13:46,852
Speaker 2: bengal Bangalore, Bengaluru, and I was and I was in

1553
01:13:47,013 --> 01:13:49,012
Speaker 2: a car driving around, and I saw these two kids

1554
01:13:49,213 --> 01:13:52,333
Speaker 2: actually in a dump. They were actually a dump in rags,

1555
01:13:53,412 --> 01:13:55,572
Speaker 2: you know, looking for moresels of food as we as

1556
01:13:55,652 --> 01:13:58,412
Speaker 2: we race past our in our in our car, and

1557
01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:03,293
Speaker 2: I I caught I caught eyes, you know, crossed eyes

1558
01:14:03,333 --> 01:14:05,412
Speaker 2: with one of them. And it hits me all the time.

1559
01:14:05,853 --> 01:14:08,893
Speaker 2: I think about what's happened to them? Yeah, And so

1560
01:14:09,133 --> 01:14:12,253
Speaker 2: there does need to be that perspective when we think

1561
01:14:12,492 --> 01:14:14,812
Speaker 2: when people there's sort of is a narrative. You know,

1562
01:14:14,973 --> 01:14:16,732
Speaker 2: we hear cost of living crisis, this, we hear this,

1563
01:14:17,093 --> 01:14:20,133
Speaker 2: this constant narrative that somehow, this generation or this is

1564
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,333
Speaker 2: a terrible time to live and this is a terrible

1565
01:14:22,372 --> 01:14:25,532
Speaker 2: country to live in. It's just not true. There are

1566
01:14:25,572 --> 01:14:29,212
Speaker 2: struggles in every single era. Every era has its struggles.

1567
01:14:29,253 --> 01:14:31,732
Speaker 2: You don't go through life without struggles, and some people

1568
01:14:31,812 --> 01:14:33,333
Speaker 2: have it worse than others, and we have to have

1569
01:14:33,452 --> 01:14:36,333
Speaker 2: compassion for that. But on the whole, New Zealand is

1570
01:14:36,732 --> 01:14:38,692
Speaker 2: a very good country to live in, definitely.

1571
01:14:39,492 --> 01:14:41,612
Speaker 16: And there's no welfare in India.

1572
01:14:41,853 --> 01:14:46,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, don't work, you die. Yeah, I heard this

1573
01:14:46,293 --> 01:14:49,492
Speaker 3: thought experiment actually, Mary, And it's on this point that

1574
01:14:49,652 --> 01:14:52,972
Speaker 3: imagine there's a world lottery and if you go into

1575
01:14:53,053 --> 01:14:55,692
Speaker 3: the lottery, you are assigned a new country to become

1576
01:14:55,732 --> 01:14:58,293
Speaker 3: a citizen. But the kicker as it's voluntary to put

1577
01:14:58,333 --> 01:15:01,652
Speaker 3: your ball into this lottery to be relocated to another country.

1578
01:15:01,732 --> 01:15:03,772
Speaker 3: How many New Zealanders do you think would take part

1579
01:15:03,812 --> 01:15:06,412
Speaker 3: in that lottery? I would say less than one percent.

1580
01:15:06,532 --> 01:15:08,572
Speaker 3: How many Indians do you think would take hard in

1581
01:15:08,612 --> 01:15:11,093
Speaker 3: that lottery, maybe forty percent one of them. Yeah, and

1582
01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:13,412
Speaker 3: it just puts things into perspective that you've hit the

1583
01:15:13,532 --> 01:15:16,253
Speaker 3: lottery in life, that you are able to live in

1584
01:15:16,333 --> 01:15:17,652
Speaker 3: this country called New Zealand.

1585
01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:18,572
Speaker 13: Yep.

1586
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:21,852
Speaker 16: And we're very, very lucky. And that's all I have

1587
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:24,652
Speaker 16: to say to Mike. Get out and open your eyes

1588
01:15:24,772 --> 01:15:26,293
Speaker 16: and go and see how other people love.

1589
01:15:27,053 --> 01:15:27,652
Speaker 3: What a great call.

1590
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:29,812
Speaker 2: But it's easy for people to get negative because you're

1591
01:15:30,253 --> 01:15:32,932
Speaker 2: you can get into a negative night mindset a you're

1592
01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:35,213
Speaker 2: getting told constantly that it's that it's really hard. But

1593
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:35,972
Speaker 2: it is hard.

1594
01:15:36,173 --> 01:15:37,852
Speaker 3: Life is hard, Yeah, very hard.

1595
01:15:37,973 --> 01:15:38,133
Speaker 7: Yep.

1596
01:15:38,253 --> 01:15:40,133
Speaker 2: It's just always been hard.

1597
01:15:40,412 --> 01:15:42,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about perspective. It is nine to three

1598
01:15:43,013 --> 01:15:44,532
Speaker 3: beg very shortly. Oh e one hundred and eighty ten

1599
01:15:44,572 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 3: eighty is that number?

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01:15:46,133 --> 01:15:46,812
Speaker 7: The issues that.

1601
01:15:46,893 --> 01:15:49,173
Speaker 8: Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1602
01:15:49,452 --> 01:15:54,052
Speaker 8: Mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be news.

1603
01:15:53,933 --> 01:15:57,572
Speaker 2: Talks dead be speaking of the ghost though, Yeah, far out.

1604
01:15:57,652 --> 01:15:58,532
Speaker 3: Get with the game, Tyler.

1605
01:15:58,612 --> 01:15:59,333
Speaker 2: We didn't even get on.

1606
01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:00,612
Speaker 3: That's the end of the air break.

1607
01:16:00,652 --> 01:16:03,372
Speaker 2: I want to how long that break was? Then? Now

1608
01:16:03,572 --> 01:16:06,692
Speaker 2: that's the that's the big Christmas break. The ten seconds

1609
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:08,133
Speaker 2: it took us to get back on here. When it's

1610
01:16:08,133 --> 01:16:09,132
Speaker 2: the stop that's.

1611
01:16:09,013 --> 01:16:09,612
Speaker 8: All we need.

1612
01:16:09,812 --> 01:16:13,133
Speaker 3: I will quickly take Gabrielle. We've got about sixty seconds out.

1613
01:16:13,452 --> 01:16:14,213
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts on this?

1614
01:16:16,253 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 17: Hi, Tyler and Matt how I use good?

1615
01:16:20,612 --> 01:16:24,452
Speaker 13: So I think that.

1616
01:16:26,372 --> 01:16:30,053
Speaker 17: I think that we do should continue with the culture.

1617
01:16:29,732 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 6: That we have in terms of our holiday breaks and

1618
01:16:32,893 --> 01:16:33,572
Speaker 6: stuff like that.

1619
01:16:34,213 --> 01:16:39,812
Speaker 17: I've never been in any joabor employment whereby everyone starts

1620
01:16:39,853 --> 01:16:43,293
Speaker 17: to give it away by November and not start really

1621
01:16:43,412 --> 01:16:46,612
Speaker 17: into it until February. You have set all of those

1622
01:16:46,893 --> 01:16:49,492
Speaker 17: and it's as simple as that. Once you've done your statutories,

1623
01:16:51,133 --> 01:16:54,013
Speaker 17: then you get straight into work and should be no

1624
01:16:54,372 --> 01:16:55,053
Speaker 17: less than that.

1625
01:16:57,173 --> 01:16:57,852
Speaker 7: You're saying that.

1626
01:16:58,173 --> 01:17:01,012
Speaker 17: You're saying that, ah, well, everyone gives it away weeks

1627
01:17:01,173 --> 01:17:05,253
Speaker 17: or months before and doesn't really get into it a

1628
01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:06,812
Speaker 17: month until a month later.

1629
01:17:07,492 --> 01:17:13,053
Speaker 6: So I have disagree with you guys there. Also, you

1630
01:17:13,173 --> 01:17:14,253
Speaker 6: were mentioning.

1631
01:17:13,933 --> 01:17:18,813
Speaker 17: About so much more options that we have nowadays in terms.

1632
01:17:18,612 --> 01:17:22,532
Speaker 6: Of product and stuff like that. But at the same time.

1633
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:26,213
Speaker 17: You're mentioning too the products that we get from overseas.

1634
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:30,372
Speaker 17: There you know they've got one ripping and they're filled

1635
01:17:30,532 --> 01:17:36,213
Speaker 17: with microplastics, or we've got young kids who are employed

1636
01:17:36,253 --> 01:17:40,293
Speaker 17: by these people. I don't know that that's really as

1637
01:17:40,372 --> 01:17:42,412
Speaker 17: good as what we make out.

1638
01:17:43,732 --> 01:17:45,572
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Gabriel. We've we've

1639
01:17:45,572 --> 01:17:46,612
Speaker 2: got to go. But I get it. I think we

1640
01:17:46,692 --> 01:17:48,732
Speaker 2: were saying that was a bad thing. Yeah, that part

1641
01:17:48,772 --> 01:17:51,213
Speaker 2: of it. But anyway, So just to sum up, I've

1642
01:17:51,253 --> 01:17:53,933
Speaker 2: been thinking about this, the great New Zealand shutdown. We

1643
01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:56,412
Speaker 2: quietly accept that the country is basically on flight mode

1644
01:17:56,732 --> 01:17:59,452
Speaker 2: around this time of year, six to eight weeks in

1645
01:17:59,572 --> 01:18:01,892
Speaker 2: total with the shutdowns, and how long it takes the startup.

1646
01:18:01,933 --> 01:18:04,213
Speaker 2: But maybe we actually need it. Maybe we're a small

1647
01:18:04,572 --> 01:18:07,293
Speaker 2: country that runs pretty hot most of the year. BERND

1648
01:18:07,492 --> 01:18:10,333
Speaker 2: isn't such a great thing. Then again, the world doesn't

1649
01:18:10,333 --> 01:18:12,173
Speaker 2: wait for us to finish our beat holidays, does it.

1650
01:18:12,532 --> 01:18:16,052
Speaker 2: So investors don't pause, hospitals don't stop, the big issues

1651
01:18:16,093 --> 01:18:17,933
Speaker 2: don't take Jenny off. So it seems like one of

1652
01:18:17,973 --> 01:18:20,452
Speaker 2: those gray areas. Do we cling to the last Grace

1653
01:18:20,572 --> 01:18:23,612
Speaker 2: Key week tradition or do we admit the world's sped

1654
01:18:23,692 --> 01:18:25,772
Speaker 2: up and we haven't. Maybe the real question isn't whether

1655
01:18:25,812 --> 01:18:27,492
Speaker 2: the break is too long, it's whether we have the

1656
01:18:27,532 --> 01:18:30,452
Speaker 2: conditions and environment in place to kick us to our

1657
01:18:30,572 --> 01:18:33,732
Speaker 2: full abilities for the rest of the year, because personally,

1658
01:18:34,412 --> 01:18:36,492
Speaker 2: I am hanging out for this holiday. It's gonna be

1659
01:18:36,572 --> 01:18:39,692
Speaker 2: so good. I'm gonna get so sunburn. Forget, I'm gonna

1660
01:18:39,692 --> 01:18:40,412
Speaker 2: forget what day it is.

1661
01:18:40,532 --> 01:18:43,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring it on, good discussion, Thank you very much.

1662
01:18:43,093 --> 01:18:46,452
Speaker 3: After three o'clock parking tickets and Auckland will tell you

1663
01:18:46,532 --> 01:18:46,892
Speaker 3: more soon.

1664
01:18:49,053 --> 01:18:51,973
Speaker 8: Your new home are insightful and entertaining.

1665
01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:57,132
Speaker 1: Talk It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Savvy.

1666
01:18:57,893 --> 01:19:00,892
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show seven

1667
01:19:00,973 --> 01:19:01,772
Speaker 3: past three.

1668
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:04,173
Speaker 2: Just to recap on the developing story that's been happening

1669
01:19:04,213 --> 01:19:06,933
Speaker 2: through our show. Earlier in the show, we got a

1670
01:19:06,973 --> 01:19:11,652
Speaker 2: text saying I'm dropping off a package at reception. I'll

1671
01:19:11,692 --> 01:19:12,772
Speaker 2: be there in thirty five minutes.

1672
01:19:12,853 --> 01:19:13,013
Speaker 7: Yep.

1673
01:19:13,213 --> 01:19:14,892
Speaker 3: Slightly ominous, and we thought, what kind.

1674
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:18,732
Speaker 2: Of package is that? And then another text the package

1675
01:19:18,772 --> 01:19:21,652
Speaker 2: has been dropped off yep. And so I thought maybe

1676
01:19:21,652 --> 01:19:23,492
Speaker 2: it would be an explosive device, so I sent Tyler

1677
01:19:23,532 --> 01:19:23,973
Speaker 2: down to get it.

1678
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:24,253
Speaker 7: YEP.

1679
01:19:24,293 --> 01:19:26,172
Speaker 3: I took one for the team for safety reasons.

1680
01:19:26,893 --> 01:19:29,412
Speaker 2: Well, I had under the desk up here. Tyler brought

1681
01:19:29,452 --> 01:19:31,893
Speaker 2: it back up and it was a tin. It was

1682
01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,093
Speaker 2: a tin, little Christmas tin Christmas Cake Company. We opened

1683
01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:37,892
Speaker 2: it up and there were two feathers at the top,

1684
01:19:38,333 --> 01:19:41,293
Speaker 2: and we thought, what is this? Listener might send us

1685
01:19:41,492 --> 01:19:43,412
Speaker 2: these two feathers at the top? Yep, is this a

1686
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:47,452
Speaker 2: serial killer? Has this got some deeper meaning? Are we

1687
01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:51,692
Speaker 2: going to be part of a twenty episode true crime podcast?

1688
01:19:52,692 --> 01:19:54,372
Speaker 2: And then there were some cotton wall buds under that,

1689
01:19:54,532 --> 01:19:58,852
Speaker 2: and under that there were some pohas, original thirty five

1690
01:19:58,973 --> 01:20:01,612
Speaker 2: year old pohs. So it was an explosive device like

1691
01:20:01,692 --> 01:20:05,893
Speaker 2: I worried, but the best possible explosive device. Yep, the

1692
01:20:06,013 --> 01:20:09,732
Speaker 2: thunder bombs which are powerful and double happies that were

1693
01:20:09,772 --> 01:20:11,732
Speaker 2: only out for a limited period of time.

1694
01:20:11,812 --> 01:20:12,293
Speaker 3: Big bang.

1695
01:20:12,492 --> 01:20:14,253
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for that, Mike. And he

1696
01:20:14,372 --> 01:20:16,772
Speaker 2: sent us a letter saying, I hope you like these.

1697
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:19,973
Speaker 2: Send us a copy of your book, man, So a

1698
01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:23,532
Speaker 2: copy of my book will be be winging its way

1699
01:20:23,612 --> 01:20:25,452
Speaker 2: to you, Mike. Send us a present and you might

1700
01:20:25,532 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 2: want to copy of my book.

1701
01:20:26,452 --> 01:20:28,253
Speaker 3: It's a good deal, I mean, take it. I don't

1702
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:28,892
Speaker 3: have to give anything.

1703
01:20:29,053 --> 01:20:31,412
Speaker 2: Terrible deal for my publisher as I grabbed free book

1704
01:20:31,412 --> 01:20:32,893
Speaker 2: copies of books and send them out to people with

1705
01:20:32,893 --> 01:20:37,173
Speaker 2: a great deal for me. But anyway, just to finish

1706
01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:39,692
Speaker 2: off the story and this at the same time, I said,

1707
01:20:39,692 --> 01:20:43,892
Speaker 2: there's a fantastic artist in Coray Mandeltown that makes these

1708
01:20:44,492 --> 01:20:49,732
Speaker 2: huge He sends this beautiful painting of a Pohart packet yep,

1709
01:20:50,213 --> 01:20:52,372
Speaker 2: and you can buy these beautiful prints of it. And

1710
01:20:52,452 --> 01:20:53,892
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember his name. I ran into

1711
01:20:53,933 --> 01:20:55,612
Speaker 2: him when I was in Coral Mandeletown a few months

1712
01:20:55,652 --> 01:20:59,173
Speaker 2: ago and we had a great chat and a friend

1713
01:20:59,173 --> 01:21:03,092
Speaker 2: of mine both got a bigger and a smaller version

1714
01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:05,812
Speaker 2: of this. This this fantastic it's hard to describe. It's

1715
01:21:05,973 --> 01:21:09,213
Speaker 2: very very cool piece of art. It's just a beautiful

1716
01:21:09,253 --> 01:21:12,173
Speaker 2: painting of a Pohart packet with some pretty funny writing

1717
01:21:12,213 --> 01:21:14,612
Speaker 2: on it. Mate, it's the It's very cool. But anyway,

1718
01:21:14,612 --> 01:21:18,093
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember his name, shame on me, But I

1719
01:21:18,213 --> 01:21:21,173
Speaker 2: have now because he's remissaged me. He was listening Paul

1720
01:21:21,293 --> 01:21:27,093
Speaker 2: Cornwell Underscore Creative on Instagram or or he's got a

1721
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:31,852
Speaker 2: web start. So just google Paul Cornwell Creative and check

1722
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:36,852
Speaker 2: out these these awesome Pohat artworks. They're they're very cool.

1723
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:39,013
Speaker 2: You know, if you're if you're a gen xer like me.

1724
01:21:39,093 --> 01:21:41,612
Speaker 2: Were you were you operating you know you're a millennial?

1725
01:21:41,612 --> 01:21:43,173
Speaker 2: Are you operating around po hard times?

1726
01:21:43,452 --> 01:21:45,333
Speaker 3: We're a right on the end of it, the poet

1727
01:21:45,492 --> 01:21:48,053
Speaker 3: and the skyrockets before the government said no, you can't

1728
01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:49,652
Speaker 3: be trusted. But man, they were good years.

1729
01:21:50,013 --> 01:21:51,772
Speaker 2: Me and my mate Mike, not the mic that sent

1730
01:21:51,893 --> 01:21:54,452
Speaker 2: me this explosive device, but my other mate Mike. We're

1731
01:21:54,492 --> 01:21:57,572
Speaker 2: in corimandal Town and we saw this, these this pohart

1732
01:21:57,692 --> 01:22:00,213
Speaker 2: art on the on the wall of a shop and there,

1733
01:22:00,213 --> 01:22:02,253
Speaker 2: and we nearly teared up. It just brought up such

1734
01:22:02,333 --> 01:22:05,372
Speaker 2: great memories of belowing the live, living crap out of

1735
01:22:05,412 --> 01:22:07,532
Speaker 2: our neighborhoods with these pohas back in the day.

1736
01:22:07,612 --> 01:22:08,933
Speaker 3: So it's beautiful nostalgia.

1737
01:22:09,173 --> 01:22:13,492
Speaker 2: So Paul Cornwell Creative look him up? How good Paul

1738
01:22:13,572 --> 01:22:15,973
Speaker 2: Cornwell Underscore Creative on Instagram.

1739
01:22:16,213 --> 01:22:16,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, love that.

1740
01:22:17,293 --> 01:22:18,572
Speaker 2: And if you want to have a if you want

1741
01:22:18,572 --> 01:22:21,333
Speaker 2: to see a shot of the explosive device that was

1742
01:22:21,372 --> 01:22:25,893
Speaker 2: sent into a show from another mic, then I just

1743
01:22:25,973 --> 01:22:27,852
Speaker 2: posted a picture of it up on my story at

1744
01:22:27,893 --> 01:22:29,812
Speaker 2: Matt Heathens it on Instagram.

1745
01:22:29,933 --> 01:22:31,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty so check it out. It's so good.

1746
01:22:32,053 --> 01:22:33,452
Speaker 3: It's a pretty good, good, pretty.

1747
01:22:33,253 --> 01:22:36,333
Speaker 2: Good package with the explosives and the cotton cotton buds

1748
01:22:36,372 --> 01:22:36,892
Speaker 2: and the feathers.

1749
01:22:37,293 --> 01:22:41,853
Speaker 3: What a Christmas caft? Right, so AT they are causing.

1750
01:22:41,572 --> 01:22:44,852
Speaker 2: The ear minute. It's Coramndel, not Coramndal Town, is that right?

1751
01:22:45,253 --> 01:22:48,412
Speaker 2: I always call it coram Mandal Town so people know

1752
01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:52,412
Speaker 2: that I'm not referring to the general Coromandel of it.

1753
01:22:52,452 --> 01:22:54,772
Speaker 2: I've never actually been, I'm ashamed to say. But everybody

1754
01:22:54,812 --> 01:23:00,253
Speaker 2: says Mandeltown from the because otherwise people go, people go.

1755
01:23:01,572 --> 01:23:03,093
Speaker 2: It was an art shop and the Coramandel and the

1756
01:23:03,133 --> 01:23:04,133
Speaker 2: Cora Mandal is a huge place.

1757
01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:04,412
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1758
01:23:04,492 --> 01:23:06,652
Speaker 2: How you say Cora Mandal Town for the bit that's

1759
01:23:06,692 --> 01:23:07,253
Speaker 2: right up the top.

1760
01:23:07,333 --> 01:23:09,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right, far Texter, We love you,

1761
01:23:09,772 --> 01:23:12,732
Speaker 3: but you're wrong. Yeah yeah, right, let's get into this one.

1762
01:23:12,853 --> 01:23:15,412
Speaker 3: So a forty dollar parking fine has been the subject

1763
01:23:15,452 --> 01:23:17,852
Speaker 3: of a judge alone trial between the owner of Saint

1764
01:23:17,933 --> 01:23:22,452
Speaker 3: James Theatre and Auckland Transport. So theater owner Steve Bilb

1765
01:23:22,612 --> 01:23:24,812
Speaker 3: says he disputed the parking fine and caught as a

1766
01:23:24,893 --> 01:23:28,412
Speaker 3: last resort protest over the ludicrous refusal by AT to

1767
01:23:28,492 --> 01:23:31,412
Speaker 3: provide the theater with a loading zone exemption in Lawn Street.

1768
01:23:31,412 --> 01:23:34,772
Speaker 3: Which the building backs onto. Steve Bilby joins us on

1769
01:23:34,933 --> 01:23:37,452
Speaker 3: the phone right now, Steve, good afternoon to you.

1770
01:23:38,652 --> 01:23:41,652
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, hey, Steve. Before we get into the parking issue.

1771
01:23:41,812 --> 01:23:44,412
Speaker 2: The Saint James obviously such a great place off so

1772
01:23:44,532 --> 01:23:49,052
Speaker 2: many fantastic memories watching shows there. Saw Motorhead there, nice

1773
01:23:49,293 --> 01:23:52,293
Speaker 2: saw the Strokes there, among many other great shows. So

1774
01:23:52,532 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 2: how's everything looking.

1775
01:23:55,093 --> 01:23:56,093
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's good, it's good.

1776
01:23:56,253 --> 01:23:58,133
Speaker 18: He's still of got our funding approved earlier on in

1777
01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:01,213
Speaker 18: the year, and you know we've made a start or

1778
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:04,253
Speaker 18: the asbestos has removed, so physical, I guess the big

1779
01:24:04,293 --> 01:24:06,652
Speaker 18: physical works will kick off early in the new year,

1780
01:24:06,772 --> 01:24:08,893
Speaker 18: and we're trying to have it rep and again for

1781
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:10,012
Speaker 18: its one hundredth birthday.

1782
01:24:10,532 --> 01:24:12,092
Speaker 2: What's the capacity of the Saint James.

1783
01:24:13,692 --> 01:24:16,572
Speaker 18: So, with the ground floor and standing, it's about two thousand,

1784
01:24:16,692 --> 01:24:20,892
Speaker 18: four hundred, and were fully seated, it's about fourteen hundred

1785
01:24:20,893 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 18: and eighty.

1786
01:24:21,452 --> 01:24:25,772
Speaker 2: That's great. That's a great size venue for a certain

1787
01:24:26,372 --> 01:24:28,333
Speaker 2: certain kind of band and gig and.

1788
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:29,372
Speaker 7: And what is it?

1789
01:24:29,612 --> 01:24:32,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okay, Why is loading access on lawn

1790
01:24:32,933 --> 01:24:35,612
Speaker 2: streets so essential for the Saint James to succeed?

1791
01:24:37,173 --> 01:24:40,213
Speaker 18: Well, essentially, the theater is one hundred years old almost,

1792
01:24:40,572 --> 01:24:44,213
Speaker 18: and Lawn Street was originally built as the loading service

1793
01:24:44,293 --> 01:24:46,933
Speaker 18: way or service lane for the theater, and over the

1794
01:24:47,013 --> 01:24:50,173
Speaker 18: last one hundred years, appreciate it that things change, But

1795
01:24:50,293 --> 01:24:53,093
Speaker 18: the theater itself wasn't built with loading, so essentially the

1796
01:24:53,133 --> 01:24:55,253
Speaker 18: big doors that open up onto Lawn Street open up

1797
01:24:55,253 --> 01:24:58,612
Speaker 18: straight onto the stage, so you know, we can't drive

1798
01:24:58,692 --> 01:25:00,612
Speaker 18: trucks in there or anything like that, so essentially we

1799
01:25:00,652 --> 01:25:04,133
Speaker 18: have to stop outside it to load, and to even

1800
01:25:04,213 --> 01:25:07,133
Speaker 18: open those doors, which are the only vehicle entrance into

1801
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:09,612
Speaker 18: the building, you actually have to stop outside the doors,

1802
01:25:09,652 --> 01:25:11,452
Speaker 18: walk inside the building and open the doors from the

1803
01:25:11,532 --> 01:25:15,012
Speaker 18: inside because they're big, heritage, huge barn style doors.

1804
01:25:15,732 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 7: And essentially what's.

1805
01:25:17,093 --> 01:25:21,213
Speaker 18: Been happening is at have been they really don't like

1806
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:23,772
Speaker 18: that vehicle crossing that we have on Lawn Street and

1807
01:25:24,372 --> 01:25:27,012
Speaker 18: have been pinging us while we stop there and hold

1808
01:25:27,253 --> 01:25:29,412
Speaker 18: to go inside and open the doors and then drive through.

1809
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:30,293
Speaker 6: So it things.

1810
01:25:30,293 --> 01:25:33,452
Speaker 18: We had to open up our front gate, and they

1811
01:25:33,532 --> 01:25:35,293
Speaker 18: got to the point where they took me to court

1812
01:25:35,372 --> 01:25:36,933
Speaker 18: and prosecuted us for it.

1813
01:25:37,253 --> 01:25:42,572
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, so how do they expect you

1814
01:25:42,772 --> 01:25:45,852
Speaker 2: to operate? Doesn't there have to be some common sense

1815
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:48,692
Speaker 2: around this kind of situation. We need things to be

1816
01:25:48,732 --> 01:25:53,213
Speaker 2: able to operate in this central business district or else

1817
01:25:53,692 --> 01:25:54,452
Speaker 2: no one will go there.

1818
01:25:54,692 --> 01:25:56,572
Speaker 18: This was this was my argument with them, and I

1819
01:25:56,692 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 18: think you know that the prosecutor suggested that, you know,

1820
01:25:59,213 --> 01:26:01,612
Speaker 18: perhaps public transport can be used to help load in.

1821
01:26:01,732 --> 01:26:05,293
Speaker 2: Some said that, did someone did someone seriously say that

1822
01:26:05,372 --> 01:26:05,812
Speaker 2: out loud?

1823
01:26:06,933 --> 01:26:11,412
Speaker 18: The prosecutor said that. In the prosecution we were just like,

1824
01:26:11,572 --> 01:26:16,133
Speaker 18: this is this is ludicrous. It's inoperable, and all can

1825
01:26:16,173 --> 01:26:17,933
Speaker 18: transport have turned around said well, you can apply for

1826
01:26:17,973 --> 01:26:21,652
Speaker 18: a temporary management permit each time, but there are a

1827
01:26:21,732 --> 01:26:23,972
Speaker 18: few thousand dollars each time, and every time we pack

1828
01:26:24,053 --> 01:26:26,253
Speaker 18: in and pack out, it adds a few thousand dollars

1829
01:26:26,293 --> 01:26:28,532
Speaker 18: to each show. And we also don't have a certainty

1830
01:26:28,572 --> 01:26:30,372
Speaker 18: that they're actually going to issue them. You know what

1831
01:26:30,452 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 18: happens if they decide one day that, oh, actually no,

1832
01:26:32,732 --> 01:26:34,532
Speaker 18: we don't like that show or we don't want to

1833
01:26:34,532 --> 01:26:36,652
Speaker 18: do that, and they don't issue it, and suddenly we've

1834
01:26:36,652 --> 01:26:40,213
Speaker 18: got operational problems. So we've sort of drawn a line

1835
01:26:40,213 --> 01:26:42,812
Speaker 18: in the sand and challenged it now on the basis

1836
01:26:42,853 --> 01:26:45,333
Speaker 18: that we've got another year or two to solve it

1837
01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:49,333
Speaker 18: long term before it actually makes the theater inoperable.

1838
01:26:49,933 --> 01:26:53,973
Speaker 2: So they seriously think that that Lemmy could load his

1839
01:26:54,492 --> 01:26:58,933
Speaker 2: Marshal Superbase one hundred what is totally in the in

1840
01:26:59,053 --> 01:27:04,892
Speaker 2: the his four fifteen inch cabinets and that's a bus.

1841
01:27:05,053 --> 01:27:05,973
Speaker 18: That was the submission.

1842
01:27:06,732 --> 01:27:10,133
Speaker 3: The disconnect at least sort of people, it is unbelievable.

1843
01:27:10,213 --> 01:27:12,532
Speaker 3: So you've been chatting with them for ten years on

1844
01:27:12,652 --> 01:27:14,732
Speaker 3: this and this is what we hear about Auckland Transport

1845
01:27:14,812 --> 01:27:17,732
Speaker 3: specifically again and again Steve. There just seems to be

1846
01:27:18,372 --> 01:27:20,253
Speaker 3: and this is my words, a level of arrogance. But

1847
01:27:20,372 --> 01:27:23,772
Speaker 3: there's there's no flexibility there. There's no looking at your

1848
01:27:23,853 --> 01:27:26,532
Speaker 3: situation and say, actually, this is common sense. We're going

1849
01:27:26,612 --> 01:27:28,572
Speaker 3: to give them an exemption for full time because it's

1850
01:27:28,572 --> 01:27:31,492
Speaker 3: a great thing having these productions and musicians in town.

1851
01:27:31,572 --> 01:27:32,972
Speaker 3: There's just none of that sort of thinking.

1852
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:36,532
Speaker 18: Clearly, there's absolutely none of it. Look, I think they

1853
01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:40,972
Speaker 18: they get stuck in their particular view and you can't

1854
01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:43,692
Speaker 18: change their mind. Organizationally, they're just a night me to

1855
01:27:43,772 --> 01:27:45,812
Speaker 18: deal with. I don't even take meetings with them anymore.

1856
01:27:45,853 --> 01:27:48,173
Speaker 18: It's just it's not worth it's a waste of time.

1857
01:27:48,732 --> 01:27:51,053
Speaker 18: So we're going to start pushing for essentially a real change,

1858
01:27:51,093 --> 01:27:54,133
Speaker 18: And that's why we've challenged it so that people can't

1859
01:27:54,213 --> 01:27:56,372
Speaker 18: just say, oh, Steve, you know they won't enforce that

1860
01:27:56,452 --> 01:27:58,732
Speaker 18: for you. Surely they'll let you load there, but they don't.

1861
01:27:59,093 --> 01:28:00,333
Speaker 18: But this proves they don't.

1862
01:28:00,452 --> 01:28:01,972
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are sexing and saying

1863
01:28:02,013 --> 01:28:06,892
Speaker 2: that at is ideologically against cars. They think that there

1864
01:28:07,173 --> 01:28:11,333
Speaker 2: is basically an innates in driving cars and any form

1865
01:28:11,612 --> 01:28:18,572
Speaker 2: of combustion engine vehicle as a crime. Do you get

1866
01:28:18,612 --> 01:28:21,652
Speaker 2: that feeling that that that just blankets They're not trying

1867
01:28:21,692 --> 01:28:25,812
Speaker 2: to make things work for business owners and for the city.

1868
01:28:25,973 --> 01:28:28,852
Speaker 2: They're trying to enforce some kind of ideology upon the

1869
01:28:29,812 --> 01:28:31,293
Speaker 2: citizens of the city.

1870
01:28:32,652 --> 01:28:33,572
Speaker 6: That's absolutely the issue.

1871
01:28:33,612 --> 01:28:35,652
Speaker 18: And even when this area, you know, there's a whole

1872
01:28:35,692 --> 01:28:37,372
Speaker 18: lot of theaters in the town Hall, all in the

1873
01:28:37,452 --> 01:28:40,293
Speaker 18: same area, and ubers can't even get in there. So

1874
01:28:40,893 --> 01:28:43,612
Speaker 18: into this area because they've closed part of Queen Street

1875
01:28:43,612 --> 01:28:47,013
Speaker 18: to vehicles, including ubers. So how do we get these

1876
01:28:47,053 --> 01:28:50,133
Speaker 18: people in and out after shows or before shows? How

1877
01:28:50,173 --> 01:28:52,772
Speaker 18: do they come in and spend money at restaurants and things?

1878
01:28:53,213 --> 01:28:55,973
Speaker 18: And I think the answer has been what's happened is

1879
01:28:56,013 --> 01:28:56,572
Speaker 18: that people.

1880
01:28:56,412 --> 01:28:56,852
Speaker 3: Don't come in.

1881
01:28:57,293 --> 01:28:59,812
Speaker 18: Theye's not coming in and now my concern is that

1882
01:28:59,893 --> 01:29:02,652
Speaker 18: we have a generation which maybe don't have a connection

1883
01:29:02,853 --> 01:29:03,652
Speaker 18: to the city center.

1884
01:29:03,772 --> 01:29:06,612
Speaker 2: I think that they just don't. I think that's true,

1885
01:29:07,053 --> 01:29:09,093
Speaker 2: and I think also part of it. And this is

1886
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 2: just me running a slight conspiracy theory, but I think

1887
01:29:12,812 --> 01:29:14,852
Speaker 2: it's so important for the City Rail Link to work

1888
01:29:16,013 --> 01:29:19,693
Speaker 2: to justify its huge costs, that they're going to engineer

1889
01:29:19,853 --> 01:29:23,492
Speaker 2: things such that it has to it has to work.

1890
01:29:23,492 --> 01:29:26,732
Speaker 2: How does it feel to get a thirty dollars public

1891
01:29:26,812 --> 01:29:28,333
Speaker 2: fight and you know, how to get to get these

1892
01:29:28,692 --> 01:29:31,372
Speaker 2: fines when you're just trying to maintain a building? Does

1893
01:29:31,412 --> 01:29:34,652
Speaker 2: that when you're working hard, you're trying to get something done,

1894
01:29:34,893 --> 01:29:36,893
Speaker 2: How does it feel to get that fine? Just to

1895
01:29:37,173 --> 01:29:37,812
Speaker 2: make it personal?

1896
01:29:38,532 --> 01:29:41,452
Speaker 18: It's pretty it's pretty frustrating, to be honest. The situation.

1897
01:29:41,652 --> 01:29:44,173
Speaker 18: So we're opposite the Central Library and I come in

1898
01:29:44,253 --> 01:29:46,213
Speaker 18: in the morning and it's a pretty rough bit of

1899
01:29:46,253 --> 01:29:48,532
Speaker 18: Midtown at the moment, and Midtown is not a good story.

1900
01:29:49,053 --> 01:29:52,092
Speaker 18: Is fifteen odd tent set up outside the City Library

1901
01:29:52,213 --> 01:29:54,532
Speaker 18: in the morning. I've come in and we're just trying

1902
01:29:54,572 --> 01:29:56,253
Speaker 18: to make a difference. The councilors said, come in here,

1903
01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:57,973
Speaker 18: invest in this area. This is going to be in

1904
01:29:58,133 --> 01:30:01,213
Speaker 18: the next great area, but you know that's happening on

1905
01:30:01,253 --> 01:30:02,812
Speaker 18: one side of the road. And then we're trying to

1906
01:30:02,853 --> 01:30:05,333
Speaker 18: do what they want. And then I'm literally in the

1907
01:30:05,412 --> 01:30:08,732
Speaker 18: car in the evidence that they submitted. I'm in sitting

1908
01:30:08,772 --> 01:30:11,372
Speaker 18: in the car on the photo. So I've literally just arrived,

1909
01:30:11,853 --> 01:30:16,652
Speaker 18: open the gate and that thing does your unreal Yeah,

1910
01:30:16,652 --> 01:30:17,053
Speaker 18: I'm in it.

1911
01:30:17,412 --> 01:30:17,532
Speaker 12: Ye.

1912
01:30:18,173 --> 01:30:20,933
Speaker 2: So basically, practically, what changes do you think need to

1913
01:30:20,973 --> 01:30:23,492
Speaker 2: be made from from at and the council for the

1914
01:30:23,572 --> 01:30:27,492
Speaker 2: theater to operate property once while you're while you're getting

1915
01:30:27,492 --> 01:30:28,892
Speaker 2: it operational, and once it opens.

1916
01:30:30,053 --> 01:30:32,133
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think the whole of Midtown needs. It needs

1917
01:30:32,293 --> 01:30:36,852
Speaker 18: an actual logical service, servicing and loading plan. And you know,

1918
01:30:36,933 --> 01:30:38,852
Speaker 18: we need to take into account that the theater is there.

1919
01:30:38,973 --> 01:30:40,772
Speaker 18: We can't move it, so we need to be able

1920
01:30:40,812 --> 01:30:42,412
Speaker 18: to get things to it. And it's the same with

1921
01:30:42,492 --> 01:30:44,732
Speaker 18: the Civic, It's the same with the town Hall, same

1922
01:30:44,772 --> 01:30:47,293
Speaker 18: with all the other venues around there that that because

1923
01:30:47,293 --> 01:30:50,812
Speaker 18: there's a whole collection of them, the art gallery, the library,

1924
01:30:50,933 --> 01:30:53,412
Speaker 18: so it's just that there isn't that And I think

1925
01:30:53,612 --> 01:30:55,772
Speaker 18: at think they rule the roost, and in a way

1926
01:30:55,853 --> 01:30:57,973
Speaker 18: they do, and I think that's that's part of the

1927
01:30:58,053 --> 01:31:00,973
Speaker 18: floor of the design of the system. You know, the

1928
01:31:01,053 --> 01:31:03,013
Speaker 18: mayor is trying to take control of that because I

1929
01:31:03,053 --> 01:31:07,372
Speaker 18: think he's realized that the management there just it's so

1930
01:31:07,532 --> 01:31:10,812
Speaker 18: institutional that you can't change its mind. You know, it's

1931
01:31:10,853 --> 01:31:14,133
Speaker 18: built into that organization. So our hope is that we

1932
01:31:14,452 --> 01:31:16,093
Speaker 18: you know, we can get some common sense. Council have

1933
01:31:16,173 --> 01:31:18,572
Speaker 18: just written in government have written a thirty million dollar

1934
01:31:18,652 --> 01:31:21,333
Speaker 18: check to help the restoration. So it seems madness that

1935
01:31:21,452 --> 01:31:25,212
Speaker 18: they then won't give us a framework or regulatory environment

1936
01:31:25,293 --> 01:31:27,093
Speaker 18: that enables it to actually work.

1937
01:31:28,133 --> 01:31:30,812
Speaker 3: Well, Steve, we hope they get some common sense and

1938
01:31:30,853 --> 01:31:33,732
Speaker 3: some logic in their brains before the scheduled opening in

1939
01:31:33,772 --> 01:31:35,772
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, which we're all looking forward to, mate,

1940
01:31:35,772 --> 01:31:37,133
Speaker 3: But all the best and keep fighting.

1941
01:31:38,372 --> 01:31:39,612
Speaker 18: Thank you had a good one day, guys.

1942
01:31:39,692 --> 01:31:41,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, you two that getting a lot of support on

1943
01:31:41,732 --> 01:31:44,333
Speaker 2: the text machine here, Yeah, Steve, absolutely, mate.

1944
01:31:44,412 --> 01:31:46,852
Speaker 3: Go Well, that is Steve Wilby, the owner of the

1945
01:31:47,093 --> 01:31:51,293
Speaker 3: historic Saint James Theater. It is nineteen past three on

1946
01:31:51,492 --> 01:31:52,012
Speaker 3: News Talk.

1947
01:31:52,093 --> 01:31:53,293
Speaker 8: S'd be very good.

1948
01:31:53,173 --> 01:31:55,372
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. So we've just got off the phone

1949
01:31:55,452 --> 01:31:59,253
Speaker 3: with Steve Beebley well the interview rather, he's at logheads

1950
01:31:59,293 --> 01:32:01,013
Speaker 3: with AT, as a lot of people are. This time

1951
01:32:01,093 --> 01:32:03,732
Speaker 3: he was fined forty bucks for trying to unload gear

1952
01:32:03,973 --> 01:32:06,412
Speaker 3: into the historic Saint James Theater.

1953
01:32:06,812 --> 01:32:09,572
Speaker 2: I think we should change the name of Auckland Transport

1954
01:32:09,692 --> 01:32:14,852
Speaker 2: to Auckland Walk or will kill you? Okay? This textas

1955
01:32:14,893 --> 01:32:17,532
Speaker 2: says the problem Wayne Brown faces as meor is that

1956
01:32:17,652 --> 01:32:20,852
Speaker 2: although he has taken back control of AT, he needs

1957
01:32:20,893 --> 01:32:23,772
Speaker 2: the government to change laws to empower him. It's sitting

1958
01:32:23,812 --> 01:32:26,293
Speaker 2: onto the do list for the government right now. See,

1959
01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:31,933
Speaker 2: because you know this kind of illogical behavior. You know what,

1960
01:32:32,013 --> 01:32:34,932
Speaker 2: if you think about Wayne Brown, he's a logical man

1961
01:32:35,093 --> 01:32:37,892
Speaker 2: with an engineering mind. So if he's looking at something

1962
01:32:37,973 --> 01:32:41,253
Speaker 2: like the Saint James that's received this this funding and

1963
01:32:41,452 --> 01:32:46,293
Speaker 2: they can't do their business without Auckland Transport constantly finding

1964
01:32:46,333 --> 01:32:48,852
Speaker 2: them for loading stuff into there, and the only way

1965
01:32:48,893 --> 01:32:52,732
Speaker 2: they can load it into the Saint James. And when

1966
01:32:52,772 --> 01:32:55,053
Speaker 2: it practically when they're when they're running, when they're up

1967
01:32:55,053 --> 01:32:56,893
Speaker 2: and running, they've actually built the place. So this is

1968
01:32:57,173 --> 01:33:00,093
Speaker 2: hitting them when they're trying to construct the place, and

1969
01:33:00,213 --> 01:33:02,612
Speaker 2: then when it's up and running, the fact that people

1970
01:33:02,692 --> 01:33:04,333
Speaker 2: can't get an uber from out the front of it,

1971
01:33:04,692 --> 01:33:07,452
Speaker 2: so to get an audience in and out or a

1972
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:08,812
Speaker 2: taxi or whatever. It's crazy.

1973
01:33:09,013 --> 01:33:13,652
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but hopefully that's just a tick box exercise

1974
01:33:13,692 --> 01:33:15,652
Speaker 3: so Wayne Brown can take control of AT.

1975
01:33:16,853 --> 01:33:19,092
Speaker 2: I voted for Wayne Brown to taser these pricks.

1976
01:33:19,732 --> 01:33:20,452
Speaker 3: I like that, Dick.

1977
01:33:20,572 --> 01:33:22,493
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was exactly on this manifesto.

1978
01:33:23,732 --> 01:33:26,133
Speaker 3: We're taking plenty of ticks on this. There's so many

1979
01:33:26,213 --> 01:33:27,812
Speaker 3: that have come through, so we'll get to a few

1980
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:30,972
Speaker 3: more very shortly. It is twenty four past three.

1981
01:33:31,013 --> 01:33:37,892
Speaker 1: Back in the month, mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call

1982
01:33:38,013 --> 01:33:40,333
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk

1983
01:33:40,412 --> 01:33:41,612
Speaker 1: ZV afternoon.

1984
01:33:41,692 --> 01:33:44,213
Speaker 3: We are talking about the fight that the owner of

1985
01:33:44,492 --> 01:33:47,973
Speaker 3: the Historic since James Theater is having with AT. At

1986
01:33:48,013 --> 01:33:50,812
Speaker 3: the moment, we've had a truckload of texts coming through.

1987
01:33:51,173 --> 01:33:53,372
Speaker 3: Just a thought I had, Matt. Do you think part

1988
01:33:53,412 --> 01:33:55,213
Speaker 3: of this is because Wayne Brown has said he wants

1989
01:33:55,293 --> 01:33:59,012
Speaker 3: to amalgamate eight back into the council and rest control

1990
01:33:59,492 --> 01:34:01,293
Speaker 3: over them because he's not a big fan. Do you

1991
01:34:01,412 --> 01:34:03,892
Speaker 3: think some of this is from AT. It just plays

1992
01:34:03,933 --> 01:34:06,892
Speaker 3: into that arrogance that it's almost like a final stuff

1993
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:10,452
Speaker 3: you to everybody. We're going nobody likes us, So we're

1994
01:34:10,492 --> 01:34:13,052
Speaker 3: just going to say no to everybody because we're already hated.

1995
01:34:13,253 --> 01:34:17,293
Speaker 2: Well to reference yes, Minister for the second time in

1996
01:34:17,372 --> 01:34:20,372
Speaker 2: the show. Can't remember why I last referenced it resturants again.

1997
01:34:20,812 --> 01:34:24,173
Speaker 2: There's that power that is, that unelected power that makes

1998
01:34:24,253 --> 01:34:26,892
Speaker 2: us really really angry when they're making decisions that are

1999
01:34:26,933 --> 01:34:30,812
Speaker 2: incredibly illogical and are having horrible effects on people's lives

2000
01:34:30,853 --> 01:34:32,572
Speaker 2: and people that are trying to do productive things like

2001
01:34:32,652 --> 01:34:36,892
Speaker 2: bring back this incredible theater that will be great size

2002
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:39,492
Speaker 2: venue for some incredible things to happen our city, and

2003
01:34:39,572 --> 01:34:43,412
Speaker 2: these unelected people are these people making these decisions because

2004
01:34:43,452 --> 01:34:47,772
Speaker 2: they've got this ideology, this vision that's theirs, but it's

2005
01:34:47,812 --> 01:34:50,693
Speaker 2: not a vision that is supported by the wide population,

2006
01:34:51,213 --> 01:34:52,973
Speaker 2: so it's sort of enforced upon us.

2007
01:34:53,372 --> 01:34:55,852
Speaker 3: Nicely. Put a couple of texts coming through on nine

2008
01:34:55,893 --> 01:34:57,212
Speaker 3: to two, nine to two.

2009
01:34:59,013 --> 01:35:01,372
Speaker 2: If I had a dollar for every time you two

2010
01:35:01,492 --> 01:35:03,492
Speaker 2: said taser, I'd be loaded.

2011
01:35:04,013 --> 01:35:04,173
Speaker 7: Hey.

2012
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:06,932
Speaker 2: Someone off texted and off before and then another person

2013
01:35:07,053 --> 01:35:08,812
Speaker 2: email men said that they've got to take and they'll

2014
01:35:08,853 --> 01:35:12,333
Speaker 2: come and tas usus for christmastuff we want I'll.

2015
01:35:12,213 --> 01:35:14,932
Speaker 3: Think about that. One sounds like could be a good time.

2016
01:35:15,093 --> 01:35:18,293
Speaker 2: Steve, that guy from the Saint James should run for

2017
01:35:18,372 --> 01:35:21,452
Speaker 2: mayor what a great talker. Steve and Saint James Theater

2018
01:35:21,492 --> 01:35:24,532
Speaker 2: should sue Auckland Council and councilors personally for discrimination of

2019
01:35:24,612 --> 01:35:27,932
Speaker 2: patrons and attendees based on age disability under Human Rights

2020
01:35:28,013 --> 01:35:30,732
Speaker 2: Act nineteen ninety three six three hundred dollars per person

2021
01:35:30,772 --> 01:35:33,852
Speaker 2: per act. Yeah. Well, as that texta pointed out before,

2022
01:35:34,013 --> 01:35:36,013
Speaker 2: there is sort of a problem at the moment with

2023
01:35:37,372 --> 01:35:39,933
Speaker 2: Wayne Brown wanting to bring AT into the council. But

2024
01:35:40,253 --> 01:35:44,852
Speaker 2: AT is sort of a hangover from the operations around

2025
01:35:44,853 --> 01:35:45,532
Speaker 2: the super city.

2026
01:35:45,732 --> 01:35:45,932
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2027
01:35:46,452 --> 01:35:50,693
Speaker 2: So Wayne Brown's and the council are kind of hamstrung

2028
01:35:50,732 --> 01:35:51,213
Speaker 2: at the moment.

2029
01:35:51,333 --> 01:35:53,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they need to wait for central government.

2030
01:35:53,173 --> 01:35:55,812
Speaker 2: Until the central government makes you know, changes the law.

2031
01:35:56,093 --> 01:35:58,772
Speaker 3: Yeah. And this one getto Matt and Tyler for the

2032
01:35:58,812 --> 01:36:01,293
Speaker 3: AT Council lawyer to saying court that Steve should be

2033
01:36:01,372 --> 01:36:04,972
Speaker 3: taking public transport along with musicians and artists. Has proven

2034
01:36:05,013 --> 01:36:07,213
Speaker 3: that AT Transport have a conflict of interest where the

2035
01:36:07,253 --> 01:36:10,972
Speaker 3: public transport and Auckland is run by the organization who

2036
01:36:11,053 --> 01:36:14,732
Speaker 3: was ticketing finding Steve nicely, pot I should have thought

2037
01:36:14,732 --> 01:36:17,893
Speaker 3: about that. It is a massive conspiracy that they just

2038
01:36:17,973 --> 01:36:20,532
Speaker 3: turn around and sting good people like Steve and force

2039
01:36:20,612 --> 01:36:23,933
Speaker 3: them into their poorly use, poorly run public transport that

2040
01:36:24,013 --> 01:36:26,492
Speaker 3: nobody wants to use so they can justify their jobs.

2041
01:36:26,933 --> 01:36:29,133
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean Steve should have taken in a

2042
01:36:29,253 --> 01:36:32,732
Speaker 2: lighting rag or a pa into the courtroom. You wouldn't

2043
01:36:32,772 --> 01:36:34,732
Speaker 2: even get through the courtroom door, let alone the door

2044
01:36:34,772 --> 01:36:38,372
Speaker 2: of a bus. That's like, get it on a train.

2045
01:36:38,893 --> 01:36:40,812
Speaker 2: It's a ridiculous thing to say.

2046
01:36:40,933 --> 01:36:42,173
Speaker 3: It's like satire, isn't it.

2047
01:36:42,572 --> 01:36:45,812
Speaker 2: Take it on the back of a bloody push bike

2048
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:48,772
Speaker 2: on a bike lane. What are you talking about?

2049
01:36:49,732 --> 01:36:49,892
Speaker 7: Right?

2050
01:36:50,053 --> 01:36:52,972
Speaker 3: Good discussion and good on Steve for fighting the good

2051
01:36:53,013 --> 01:36:57,012
Speaker 3: fight and hopefully common sense prevails before the opening scheduled

2052
01:36:57,013 --> 01:36:59,652
Speaker 3: opening of the Saint James in twenty twenty eight. Coming

2053
01:36:59,732 --> 01:37:03,612
Speaker 3: up after the headlines a crucial issue for gearwe Styler.

2054
01:37:03,732 --> 01:37:09,372
Speaker 3: This is massive instant Paul's above ground pools fold? Are

2055
01:37:09,412 --> 01:37:11,333
Speaker 3: they a thing? Have you got one? We want to

2056
01:37:11,372 --> 01:37:13,412
Speaker 3: hear from you. We'll tell you more very shortly. As

2057
01:37:13,452 --> 01:37:14,452
Speaker 3: twenty nine past three.

2058
01:37:16,652 --> 01:37:20,093
Speaker 5: Jus Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's

2059
01:37:20,213 --> 01:37:23,892
Speaker 5: no trouble with a blue bubble. Two bills announced today

2060
01:37:24,013 --> 01:37:27,492
Speaker 5: to replace the Resource Management to Act establish a new

2061
01:37:27,612 --> 01:37:32,053
Speaker 5: system for managing environmental protection. They'll require councils to set

2062
01:37:32,133 --> 01:37:37,612
Speaker 5: ecosystem health limits following national standards for air, freshwater, coastal water,

2063
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:43,213
Speaker 5: land and soil and indigenous biodiversity. Police say fatal stamping

2064
01:37:43,253 --> 01:37:46,773
Speaker 5: on an Auckland bus last night was rare and senseless

2065
01:37:47,093 --> 01:37:49,852
Speaker 5: and they're hunting for a thirty six year old Adrian

2066
01:37:50,013 --> 01:37:53,692
Speaker 5: Parney who shouldn't be approached. One of WRE two's Foxton

2067
01:37:53,772 --> 01:37:56,812
Speaker 5: Beach is in shock after two people have died in

2068
01:37:56,893 --> 01:37:59,892
Speaker 5: a house fire this morning. The fire's cause hasn't yet

2069
01:37:59,973 --> 01:38:03,812
Speaker 5: been established. The pair will be formally identified in coming days.

2070
01:38:04,652 --> 01:38:07,892
Speaker 5: Fire and Emergency say ablaze now covering about three hundred

2071
01:38:07,933 --> 01:38:11,372
Speaker 5: hectare a torm Adirdoor National Park looks to have been

2072
01:38:11,492 --> 01:38:15,852
Speaker 5: calls by an unintentional mishap with a vehicle. The Government's

2073
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:21,012
Speaker 5: declined an application by global company Nova Algoma Cement Carriers

2074
01:38:21,452 --> 01:38:26,532
Speaker 5: to replace Kiwi crew with overseas workers. How Auckland Councils

2075
01:38:26,652 --> 01:38:31,572
Speaker 5: plan Change one twenty increases residents flood risk. Read the

2076
01:38:31,612 --> 01:38:34,213
Speaker 5: full column that ends at Herald Premium. Back now to

2077
01:38:34,293 --> 01:38:36,053
Speaker 5: Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

2078
01:38:36,612 --> 01:38:39,772
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to four.

2079
01:38:40,053 --> 01:38:41,852
Speaker 2: So I saw an infomercial. It popped up on the

2080
01:38:41,893 --> 01:38:45,012
Speaker 2: screen behind Tyler's head, and it was for the sort

2081
01:38:45,053 --> 01:38:48,093
Speaker 2: of fold up pool yep. So you could fold it up,

2082
01:38:48,213 --> 01:38:51,452
Speaker 2: you could put it away in a cupboard. Over winter,

2083
01:38:51,933 --> 01:38:53,612
Speaker 2: you put it in the back of your car, You

2084
01:38:53,812 --> 01:38:55,772
Speaker 2: open it up, and then you fill it up with

2085
01:38:55,812 --> 01:38:57,732
Speaker 2: water and then you sit in it with you with

2086
01:38:57,893 --> 01:39:01,532
Speaker 2: your family. Yeah, is this a real thing? Does would

2087
01:39:01,532 --> 01:39:03,812
Speaker 2: this really work? And it got me thinking because it's

2088
01:39:03,893 --> 01:39:07,572
Speaker 2: so freaking hot at the moment. It got me thinking

2089
01:39:07,652 --> 01:39:10,293
Speaker 2: about solutions for being able to sit in some cold

2090
01:39:10,372 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 2: water in your yard. And I was thinking about the

2091
01:39:13,853 --> 01:39:16,372
Speaker 2: para rubber pools. That's what they were called, weren't they yep.

2092
01:39:16,692 --> 01:39:20,172
Speaker 2: And so you get a big like a temporary plastic

2093
01:39:20,253 --> 01:39:22,452
Speaker 2: pool and you set it up in your yard and

2094
01:39:22,492 --> 01:39:25,253
Speaker 2: it's about what one meter deep something like that?

2095
01:39:25,372 --> 01:39:26,093
Speaker 3: Can they get lucky?

2096
01:39:26,372 --> 01:39:29,612
Speaker 2: Can they go deeper than that? Is that a good solution?

2097
01:39:30,293 --> 01:39:32,772
Speaker 2: Is that a good solution for my problem? Are you

2098
01:39:32,853 --> 01:39:35,492
Speaker 2: running one? Do you run one of those over the

2099
01:39:35,572 --> 01:39:37,932
Speaker 2: summer break? Are they good for the kids? Do people

2100
01:39:38,013 --> 01:39:39,812
Speaker 2: use them? And you can't dive into them because they're

2101
01:39:39,812 --> 01:39:42,173
Speaker 2: not deep enough. But as it gets really really hot,

2102
01:39:42,692 --> 01:39:46,372
Speaker 2: you could just sort of sit in your own juices

2103
01:39:46,412 --> 01:39:47,053
Speaker 2: in it, couldn't you?

2104
01:39:47,293 --> 01:39:47,492
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2105
01:39:47,893 --> 01:39:49,372
Speaker 2: Or are you better just to buy I've just looked

2106
01:39:49,452 --> 01:39:52,452
Speaker 2: up a five hundred liter plastic tub and sit in that.

2107
01:39:53,333 --> 01:39:55,772
Speaker 3: Some people would. I'm a big fan of the above

2108
01:39:55,812 --> 01:39:57,652
Speaker 3: ground pools, like the para rubber pools. And I'll tell

2109
01:39:57,652 --> 01:39:59,933
Speaker 3: you why that most people who go full noise and

2110
01:39:59,973 --> 01:40:02,572
Speaker 3: pay one hundred thousand dollars for a beautiful deep two

2111
01:40:02,692 --> 01:40:05,253
Speaker 3: meter pool, and they always say they're going to go

2112
01:40:05,293 --> 01:40:07,852
Speaker 3: out there and do laps. How many people seriously get

2113
01:40:07,933 --> 01:40:09,732
Speaker 3: up in the more and go to their fancy built

2114
01:40:09,772 --> 01:40:12,133
Speaker 3: in the ground pole and actually start doing laps and

2115
01:40:12,213 --> 01:40:14,333
Speaker 3: make full use of that deepness. That's all you need.

2116
01:40:14,492 --> 01:40:16,692
Speaker 3: All you need is half a meter that you can

2117
01:40:16,772 --> 01:40:19,253
Speaker 3: just dip into. Call off over some get the whole

2118
01:40:19,293 --> 01:40:22,412
Speaker 3: family in there, side by side, squeeze everybody in and

2119
01:40:22,532 --> 01:40:24,253
Speaker 3: have a good time. Throw a beach ball around if

2120
01:40:24,293 --> 01:40:24,492
Speaker 3: you want.

2121
01:40:25,173 --> 01:40:28,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what is the advantage of that over? I mean,

2122
01:40:28,173 --> 01:40:30,412
Speaker 2: if you've got little kids, they can swim around in it, right,

2123
01:40:30,732 --> 01:40:32,772
Speaker 2: the little kids again? Because of because I've just found

2124
01:40:32,812 --> 01:40:39,492
Speaker 2: this this round feature polyster pond an aquapro nine hundred

2125
01:40:39,532 --> 01:40:43,732
Speaker 2: and ten millimeter round plastic tub at a hard bed

2126
01:40:43,772 --> 01:40:46,612
Speaker 2: stored equapro. Yeah, couldn't you just sit in that?

2127
01:40:47,412 --> 01:40:47,612
Speaker 11: Here?

2128
01:40:48,772 --> 01:40:51,253
Speaker 2: Or here we go? Like, what have I got here?

2129
01:40:51,612 --> 01:40:56,772
Speaker 2: Trade tested a best Way steel pro frame pool that's

2130
01:40:57,253 --> 01:41:00,013
Speaker 2: four point five to seven meters times one point two

2131
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:02,692
Speaker 2: to two meters deep. That look that looks pretty good.

2132
01:41:02,732 --> 01:41:03,333
Speaker 3: That's all you need.

2133
01:41:03,372 --> 01:41:04,572
Speaker 2: That's got a filter and stuff.

2134
01:41:04,732 --> 01:41:07,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what is the admin for the above ground pools?

2135
01:41:07,213 --> 01:41:08,812
Speaker 3: Do you need to do the chemical and that sort

2136
01:41:08,812 --> 01:41:11,173
Speaker 3: of stuff? Obviously you've got to filter it. But love

2137
01:41:11,253 --> 01:41:13,772
Speaker 3: to hear from you if you've gone the above ground

2138
01:41:13,812 --> 01:41:16,572
Speaker 3: pool or one of these foldable pools, how's it going?

2139
01:41:16,732 --> 01:41:19,092
Speaker 3: Is that all you really need? Rather than spending tens,

2140
01:41:19,253 --> 01:41:22,653
Speaker 3: maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the underground

2141
01:41:22,692 --> 01:41:24,732
Speaker 3: pool so to speak, or the built into the ground pool.

2142
01:41:25,093 --> 01:41:26,972
Speaker 3: It Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

2143
01:41:27,133 --> 01:41:30,133
Speaker 2: Tim says? I have an intex above ground pool. It's

2144
01:41:30,173 --> 01:41:32,892
Speaker 2: into its sixth year and served us well. We upgraded

2145
01:41:32,933 --> 01:41:35,173
Speaker 2: it to a one point two meter high pool as

2146
01:41:35,213 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 2: the Hamilton City Council somehow managed to see it in

2147
01:41:37,812 --> 01:41:40,133
Speaker 2: my backyard while we were on holiday. We had a

2148
01:41:40,213 --> 01:41:42,652
Speaker 2: ninety centimeter high pool at the time, and we were

2149
01:41:42,732 --> 01:41:44,412
Speaker 2: told that we would need to fence it. This is

2150
01:41:44,492 --> 01:41:47,572
Speaker 2: despite our property being fully fenced and extremely private. We

2151
01:41:47,692 --> 01:41:50,092
Speaker 2: then needed to get the council to visit to sign

2152
01:41:50,253 --> 01:41:53,492
Speaker 2: off our one point two meter poll what which they

2153
01:41:53,572 --> 01:41:57,333
Speaker 2: made us wrap flimsy weed mat arounds it so it

2154
01:41:57,452 --> 01:42:00,972
Speaker 2: couldn't be climbed. Oh my god. We have since moved

2155
01:42:00,973 --> 01:42:02,812
Speaker 2: out of Hamilton and I had no more issues.

2156
01:42:02,853 --> 01:42:04,852
Speaker 3: I hope the RIMA changes started to deal with this

2157
01:42:04,893 --> 01:42:06,213
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Man, that's crazy.

2158
01:42:06,853 --> 01:42:09,532
Speaker 2: So when does it stop being a you know, when

2159
01:42:09,612 --> 01:42:11,772
Speaker 2: is it a you know, a waddling pool, a water

2160
01:42:11,893 --> 01:42:15,213
Speaker 2: trough and when does it become a pool?

2161
01:42:15,372 --> 01:42:17,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've got some insight on this, So one

2162
01:42:17,612 --> 01:42:20,253
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty with the old above ground pools,

2163
01:42:20,293 --> 01:42:23,133
Speaker 3: at what stage do you have to erect a fence

2164
01:42:23,213 --> 01:42:26,213
Speaker 3: around it? I mean, surely there's a difference between a

2165
01:42:26,253 --> 01:42:28,732
Speaker 3: paddling pool and something that's half a meter deep versus

2166
01:42:28,853 --> 01:42:29,892
Speaker 3: something that's two meters deep.

2167
01:42:29,933 --> 01:42:31,772
Speaker 2: I mean I'm looking at one above ground pool now

2168
01:42:31,893 --> 01:42:34,532
Speaker 2: that's yeah, it's four point two meters by two point

2169
01:42:34,612 --> 01:42:37,093
Speaker 2: five by one meter, and look there's a picture of

2170
01:42:37,133 --> 01:42:38,412
Speaker 2: a family having a great time in it.

2171
01:42:39,893 --> 01:42:43,572
Speaker 3: Pete, you do have a nine meter by three meter

2172
01:42:43,732 --> 01:42:44,492
Speaker 3: above ground pool.

2173
01:42:46,893 --> 01:42:47,093
Speaker 19: Yeah.

2174
01:42:47,293 --> 01:42:47,333
Speaker 5: Not.

2175
01:42:48,372 --> 01:42:54,652
Speaker 19: It's seven meters long, three meters wide, intech pool and

2176
01:42:54,772 --> 01:42:57,133
Speaker 19: one point one meter deep. Take seventeen and a half

2177
01:42:57,213 --> 01:42:58,213
Speaker 19: thousand liters of water.

2178
01:42:58,452 --> 01:43:01,973
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa wow, I've just got out of it.

2179
01:43:02,333 --> 01:43:03,052
Speaker 7: It's a good pool.

2180
01:43:03,492 --> 01:43:06,372
Speaker 2: And so that's one point four meters deep. That's that's

2181
01:43:06,612 --> 01:43:08,772
Speaker 2: that's deep enough for you tow one minute?

2182
01:43:08,812 --> 01:43:08,893
Speaker 12: Is it?

2183
01:43:09,013 --> 01:43:11,293
Speaker 2: Can you know, do freestyle in that?

2184
01:43:12,093 --> 01:43:12,293
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2185
01:43:12,333 --> 01:43:13,213
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can swimm it.

2186
01:43:13,333 --> 01:43:17,452
Speaker 19: You just you know, put a breast stroke, picks of

2187
01:43:17,572 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 19: boards and you can walk up and down and you

2188
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:20,973
Speaker 19: can jump on it. You can swimming it.

2189
01:43:21,053 --> 01:43:22,013
Speaker 8: You can. Yeah.

2190
01:43:22,293 --> 01:43:25,253
Speaker 19: It comes up above you know, top of my chest.

2191
01:43:25,372 --> 01:43:29,213
Speaker 19: So yeah, it's quite or seventeen and a half the

2192
01:43:29,253 --> 01:43:32,692
Speaker 19: thousand lids of water, so yeah, and it comes to

2193
01:43:32,772 --> 01:43:36,053
Speaker 19: the pump and you put your chlorine and you have

2194
01:43:36,133 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 19: a little you do everything like you do with a

2195
01:43:38,133 --> 01:43:41,972
Speaker 19: normal ball and make sure you know your levels correct.

2196
01:43:42,013 --> 01:43:44,293
Speaker 3: You know, stupid question, Pepe, but I take it. You

2197
01:43:44,412 --> 01:43:45,692
Speaker 3: just fill up via hose, do you?

2198
01:43:46,692 --> 01:43:49,132
Speaker 19: Oh a lot of it in the in the country,

2199
01:43:49,213 --> 01:43:50,173
Speaker 19: so it comes into a tank.

2200
01:43:50,293 --> 01:43:56,013
Speaker 20: So yeah, it takes once it's well, that's it for

2201
01:43:56,093 --> 01:43:57,852
Speaker 20: the for the whole year. But I mean, you know,

2202
01:43:58,053 --> 01:44:01,572
Speaker 20: you can actually probably leave it up. You can leave

2203
01:44:01,652 --> 01:44:05,812
Speaker 20: the map even during the winter, but you know, you've

2204
01:44:05,853 --> 01:44:07,972
Speaker 20: got to keep chlorinating them and looking after them.

2205
01:44:07,933 --> 01:44:08,013
Speaker 11: So.

2206
01:44:09,572 --> 01:44:12,372
Speaker 2: Otherwise it comes a bit of a septic situation and

2207
01:44:12,492 --> 01:44:13,572
Speaker 2: dark or poor starving in it.

2208
01:44:13,692 --> 01:44:15,932
Speaker 19: You can you can you can leave them Mark, Yeah,

2209
01:44:16,492 --> 01:44:17,732
Speaker 19: and you can treat them.

2210
01:44:18,173 --> 01:44:20,053
Speaker 2: And how long have you how long has that been?

2211
01:44:20,173 --> 01:44:22,093
Speaker 2: How long have you had this particular pool, Pete? How

2212
01:44:22,093 --> 01:44:23,012
Speaker 2: many years? Has not helped?

2213
01:44:23,013 --> 01:44:23,053
Speaker 16: You?

2214
01:44:23,853 --> 01:44:24,612
Speaker 7: Just had this year?

2215
01:44:25,652 --> 01:44:28,133
Speaker 19: But I had another one before they but the other

2216
01:44:28,173 --> 01:44:30,652
Speaker 19: one was the best way. There a cheaper version that

2217
01:44:30,853 --> 01:44:32,612
Speaker 19: they're quite check you're aren't from white to ten, but

2218
01:44:33,412 --> 01:44:36,372
Speaker 19: these are from power pools and there are much bitter pool.

2219
01:44:37,412 --> 01:44:39,652
Speaker 3: And that's the intext. Did you say I'm just having

2220
01:44:39,652 --> 01:44:40,092
Speaker 3: a looking.

2221
01:44:39,933 --> 01:44:44,972
Speaker 19: Down Yeah, inext And so two and a half grand

2222
01:44:45,333 --> 01:44:46,813
Speaker 19: for the whole kid everything.

2223
01:44:47,213 --> 01:44:51,253
Speaker 2: Not bad end up certainly cheaper than getting a you know,

2224
01:44:51,532 --> 01:44:54,852
Speaker 2: a fully concreted one. But I had some neighbors who

2225
01:44:55,053 --> 01:44:56,973
Speaker 2: just got out of Bobcat and dug a hole and

2226
01:44:57,053 --> 01:44:59,293
Speaker 2: put the power rubber pool in it. I mean, would

2227
01:44:59,293 --> 01:45:00,133
Speaker 2: you ever consider doing that?

2228
01:45:01,372 --> 01:45:04,732
Speaker 19: No, because it's not a solid wall, right, yeah, right,

2229
01:45:05,013 --> 01:45:05,932
Speaker 19: it's not a solid wall.

2230
01:45:06,053 --> 01:45:09,012
Speaker 20: So it's a wall that you fold up. So there's strong,

2231
01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:14,572
Speaker 20: very strong pools, very good pool actually good pump. And

2232
01:45:15,492 --> 01:45:17,333
Speaker 20: I've got a thermal cover on it, so yes, on

2233
01:45:17,412 --> 01:45:18,452
Speaker 20: a reel and that put the therm.

2234
01:45:18,372 --> 01:45:21,012
Speaker 19: Will cover down each night and when the sun comes out.

2235
01:45:21,053 --> 01:45:22,333
Speaker 7: Pizza, what are you? Yeah?

2236
01:45:23,253 --> 01:45:26,213
Speaker 19: So I've just I've just been in its running it

2237
01:45:26,253 --> 01:45:27,692
Speaker 19: around twenty five degrees at the moment.

2238
01:45:27,893 --> 01:45:30,333
Speaker 3: Nicely, that's lovely. Do you get punished by family members

2239
01:45:30,333 --> 01:45:31,973
Speaker 3: who want to come around in Christmas and use your

2240
01:45:32,013 --> 01:45:32,452
Speaker 3: para pool?

2241
01:45:34,973 --> 01:45:37,812
Speaker 6: There was someone here last weekend? Yeah, so you've got

2242
01:45:37,893 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 6: to clean up after them.

2243
01:45:38,812 --> 01:45:41,532
Speaker 2: But yeah, did you run a timer on? How long since?

2244
01:45:41,692 --> 01:45:43,412
Speaker 2: If they're having beers in the pool and you look

2245
01:45:43,492 --> 01:45:45,532
Speaker 2: over it to mate and you go, you have not

2246
01:45:46,053 --> 01:45:48,492
Speaker 2: You've had six beers and you haven't. You haven't gotten

2247
01:45:48,492 --> 01:45:49,692
Speaker 2: out of the pool yet. What's going on?

2248
01:45:49,812 --> 01:45:50,012
Speaker 3: Mate?

2249
01:45:50,213 --> 01:45:50,372
Speaker 7: Well?

2250
01:45:51,253 --> 01:45:54,972
Speaker 19: I s Simmaro's Caroline baypol so you can imagine.

2251
01:45:55,173 --> 01:46:00,452
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're hard you're hardened to it. Thank you.

2252
01:46:00,532 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 2: So much for you call Pete appreciating good luck with that.

2253
01:46:02,812 --> 01:46:04,253
Speaker 2: That pool sounds like a winner.

2254
01:46:04,333 --> 01:46:06,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds pretty good. One hundred eighty ten eighty. Love

2255
01:46:06,853 --> 01:46:08,852
Speaker 3: to hear from you. If you've gone the above ground Paul,

2256
01:46:09,013 --> 01:46:10,852
Speaker 3: what did you go for and does it work just

2257
01:46:11,013 --> 01:46:14,213
Speaker 3: as well as in the ground pool? Oh, one hundred

2258
01:46:14,213 --> 01:46:17,293
Speaker 3: and eighteen eighty is that number? It is nineteen to four.

2259
01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:20,532
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2260
01:46:20,572 --> 01:46:24,372
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk.

2261
01:46:24,452 --> 01:46:27,972
Speaker 3: Sa'd be for a good afternoon June sixteen to four.

2262
01:46:28,372 --> 01:46:30,892
Speaker 3: So we're talking about above ground pools. After Matt spider

2263
01:46:31,013 --> 01:46:34,532
Speaker 3: infommercial about this foldable pool that looked I mean, they

2264
01:46:34,612 --> 01:46:36,093
Speaker 3: made it look like a lot of fun, but to

2265
01:46:36,253 --> 01:46:39,212
Speaker 3: be honest, it was about ankle deep and they squeezed

2266
01:46:39,253 --> 01:46:42,492
Speaker 3: twenty people into this little, tiny, three meter monstrosity. But

2267
01:46:42,492 --> 01:46:44,213
Speaker 3: if you've gone above ground pool, how's it working?

2268
01:46:44,732 --> 01:46:47,532
Speaker 2: We have an above round pool with one point two

2269
01:46:47,612 --> 01:46:49,892
Speaker 2: meter sides. Doesn't need to be fenced as long as

2270
01:46:49,973 --> 01:46:52,572
Speaker 2: we take the ladder out, we're not using it. It's

2271
01:46:52,652 --> 01:46:56,213
Speaker 2: five point seven meters diameter, twenty thousand liters. It cost

2272
01:46:56,293 --> 01:46:57,852
Speaker 2: us five hundred dollars and it's the best thing that

2273
01:46:57,933 --> 01:47:00,173
Speaker 2: we've ever done in our lives.

2274
01:47:00,732 --> 01:47:00,932
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2275
01:47:01,053 --> 01:47:06,092
Speaker 2: So my spar pool doesn't need to be fenced because

2276
01:47:06,133 --> 01:47:06,932
Speaker 2: it's got a lid.

2277
01:47:06,893 --> 01:47:09,093
Speaker 3: That you lock down, right, you've got the clips on it.

2278
01:47:09,173 --> 01:47:11,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like this. My brother has a

2279
01:47:11,973 --> 01:47:16,012
Speaker 2: fifteen one hundred liter stainless steel milk vat that he uses,

2280
01:47:16,293 --> 01:47:22,253
Speaker 2: fits himself plus three to five ladies. Nice also lights

2281
01:47:22,293 --> 01:47:25,532
Speaker 2: a fire under it and makes a great spar also

2282
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:27,532
Speaker 2: has a six thousand liter vat with a built in

2283
01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:30,452
Speaker 2: firebox and fits fifteen people.

2284
01:47:30,652 --> 01:47:32,133
Speaker 3: Amazing. He should sell those.

2285
01:47:32,173 --> 01:47:34,372
Speaker 2: I'd buy one that's going back to sort of Roman

2286
01:47:34,492 --> 01:47:37,293
Speaker 2: bath technology. You light a little fire under it.

2287
01:47:37,572 --> 01:47:41,093
Speaker 3: It's romantic and three to five ladies, no doubt. It's nice.

2288
01:47:41,412 --> 01:47:42,213
Speaker 3: Well done that man.

2289
01:47:42,372 --> 01:47:44,932
Speaker 2: I'm impressive that he can convince three three to five

2290
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:48,812
Speaker 2: ladies to get into his fifteen hundred liters stainless steel

2291
01:47:48,893 --> 01:47:50,732
Speaker 2: still steal milk better.

2292
01:47:51,492 --> 01:47:52,572
Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing.

2293
01:47:52,692 --> 01:47:55,213
Speaker 2: Thank you, Danielle, Welcome to the show. You've got a

2294
01:47:55,253 --> 01:47:57,532
Speaker 2: pop up poll, pop up pool, pop up pool.

2295
01:47:57,973 --> 01:48:02,012
Speaker 10: Yeah, I have a pop up pool, nice by one

2296
01:48:02,133 --> 01:48:05,933
Speaker 10: point two two meters high, and I just checked the

2297
01:48:06,013 --> 01:48:08,652
Speaker 10: letter that flicks up when you're not using it, so

2298
01:48:08,812 --> 01:48:11,213
Speaker 10: no one else can get in. Fantastic.

2299
01:48:11,293 --> 01:48:12,013
Speaker 12: It's fabulous.

2300
01:48:12,492 --> 01:48:13,372
Speaker 7: It's nice and warm.

2301
01:48:13,532 --> 01:48:17,093
Speaker 10: I bet cover on it, and I have it up

2302
01:48:17,213 --> 01:48:17,932
Speaker 10: all year round.

2303
01:48:18,652 --> 01:48:21,372
Speaker 2: All right, you're doing the ice bathing in the winter

2304
01:48:21,532 --> 01:48:22,253
Speaker 2: for mental health.

2305
01:48:23,053 --> 01:48:25,213
Speaker 10: I don't use it in the winter, but I don't

2306
01:48:25,532 --> 01:48:27,732
Speaker 10: don't take all the water out again. It's like twenty

2307
01:48:27,812 --> 01:48:30,812
Speaker 10: five thousand liters right water, And so.

2308
01:48:30,853 --> 01:48:34,852
Speaker 2: You just keep chlorinating it through the winter months. Danielle, Yes,

2309
01:48:34,933 --> 01:48:35,612
Speaker 2: I do, and.

2310
01:48:35,732 --> 01:48:40,372
Speaker 10: It takes hardly any scoring. What it needs is the

2311
01:48:40,412 --> 01:48:42,572
Speaker 10: water to be keep moving. So I just have the

2312
01:48:42,652 --> 01:48:44,973
Speaker 10: pump on the timer every day for about four to

2313
01:48:45,093 --> 01:48:45,612
Speaker 10: five hours.

2314
01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:47,093
Speaker 6: It's fantastic, right.

2315
01:48:47,093 --> 01:48:49,652
Speaker 2: And how many years have you had this pool for, Danielle?

2316
01:48:50,612 --> 01:48:51,213
Speaker 7: Ten years?

2317
01:48:51,333 --> 01:48:51,452
Speaker 9: Oh?

2318
01:48:51,532 --> 01:48:53,812
Speaker 3: Wow? Nice going strong? Do you have to get a

2319
01:48:53,853 --> 01:48:55,692
Speaker 3: pull boy around once a year just to make sure

2320
01:48:55,692 --> 01:48:56,173
Speaker 3: it's all good?

2321
01:48:57,013 --> 01:48:57,452
Speaker 9: I don't know.

2322
01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,452
Speaker 10: I've got a robut though that cleans the bottom of

2323
01:49:00,532 --> 01:49:04,452
Speaker 10: it for me now, which is wonderful. So look at

2324
01:49:04,492 --> 01:49:08,052
Speaker 10: their great it's warmer than a ground pole.

2325
01:49:09,093 --> 01:49:09,293
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2326
01:49:09,572 --> 01:49:11,412
Speaker 3: And what did you pay for it?

2327
01:49:12,293 --> 01:49:12,412
Speaker 16: Oh?

2328
01:49:12,572 --> 01:49:14,852
Speaker 10: Look, I think I got it once such and it

2329
01:49:14,973 --> 01:49:16,532
Speaker 10: was eight hundred dollars it's.

2330
01:49:16,452 --> 01:49:16,932
Speaker 3: A good deal.

2331
01:49:19,572 --> 01:49:22,013
Speaker 2: Look how much joy that has brought you, Danielle in

2332
01:49:22,173 --> 01:49:25,652
Speaker 2: terms of money spent to happiness bought. That's a good

2333
01:49:25,732 --> 01:49:26,772
Speaker 2: eight hundred bucks, isn't it.

2334
01:49:27,772 --> 01:49:30,293
Speaker 10: It's the best money I ever spent. I've added a

2335
01:49:30,333 --> 01:49:32,812
Speaker 10: few bits and bobs to it, but again the fault

2336
01:49:32,933 --> 01:49:36,013
Speaker 10: is still going really strong, and you know, just put

2337
01:49:36,053 --> 01:49:39,253
Speaker 10: it on the time, mate, and it hardly takes any boring,

2338
01:49:39,372 --> 01:49:42,133
Speaker 10: so it's not you know, it's actually.

2339
01:49:41,973 --> 01:49:42,772
Speaker 11: Not that hard work.

2340
01:49:42,973 --> 01:49:44,973
Speaker 2: And are you doing laps in it or do you

2341
01:49:45,133 --> 01:49:47,173
Speaker 2: just sort of bob around, float around in it and

2342
01:49:47,253 --> 01:49:47,652
Speaker 2: cool down?

2343
01:49:47,973 --> 01:49:49,133
Speaker 10: I do wheel pulls in it.

2344
01:49:51,812 --> 01:49:56,293
Speaker 3: I would do. It's the best, not really long enough.

2345
01:49:57,652 --> 01:49:58,052
Speaker 12: Perfect.

2346
01:49:59,812 --> 01:50:02,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, thank you so much for calling and good luck.

2347
01:50:02,213 --> 01:50:04,532
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're can have a fantastic summer in

2348
01:50:04,572 --> 01:50:06,293
Speaker 2: that pool again, so good stuff.

2349
01:50:06,853 --> 01:50:07,133
Speaker 18: Thank you.

2350
01:50:08,492 --> 01:50:10,612
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.

2351
01:50:10,853 --> 01:50:12,932
Speaker 3: It's a great text. What about putting in a plungeball.

2352
01:50:12,933 --> 01:50:15,012
Speaker 3: I've always thought about that. It's just get a massive

2353
01:50:15,053 --> 01:50:17,412
Speaker 3: hole in the backyard in the rental and putting in.

2354
01:50:17,492 --> 01:50:19,173
Speaker 3: I think they do it with like freezers, you know,

2355
01:50:19,372 --> 01:50:22,093
Speaker 3: the chest freezes that you just chuck one of those

2356
01:50:22,133 --> 01:50:24,452
Speaker 3: bear boys in there. It's not really a plungeball, though,

2357
01:50:24,492 --> 01:50:24,612
Speaker 3: was it.

2358
01:50:24,812 --> 01:50:28,213
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this because in my suite at

2359
01:50:28,372 --> 01:50:32,812
Speaker 2: the Intercontinental Golf Spa and Resort in Fiji earlier this year,

2360
01:50:32,973 --> 01:50:34,772
Speaker 2: out the front of my suite, it just had this

2361
01:50:34,893 --> 01:50:37,572
Speaker 2: cool plunge pool. Yeah, so I just sort of floated

2362
01:50:37,612 --> 01:50:39,852
Speaker 2: in that and it was quite deep whilst I looked

2363
01:50:39,853 --> 01:50:43,213
Speaker 2: out to see. And the funny thing about it was

2364
01:50:43,572 --> 01:50:50,213
Speaker 2: it was about probably it was probably two meters by

2365
01:50:50,253 --> 01:50:52,333
Speaker 2: two meters, No, maybe one and a half meters by

2366
01:50:52,372 --> 01:50:54,053
Speaker 2: one and a half met It was small, but there

2367
01:50:54,133 --> 01:50:59,013
Speaker 2: was this huge life saver orange life saver beside it.

2368
01:50:59,812 --> 01:51:01,492
Speaker 2: So I was just thinking, who was the person that

2369
01:51:01,612 --> 01:51:04,572
Speaker 2: saw someone having a problem in this sponge pool, this

2370
01:51:05,053 --> 01:51:06,933
Speaker 2: plunge pool that you can stand up in, and the

2371
01:51:07,013 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 2: first response is instead of putting their hand out to

2372
01:51:09,372 --> 01:51:13,852
Speaker 2: pull you out, just to throw in this giant orange.

2373
01:51:15,692 --> 01:51:16,932
Speaker 3: Oh mate, that is beautiful.

2374
01:51:17,372 --> 01:51:17,452
Speaker 5: Oh.

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01:51:17,492 --> 01:51:20,053
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty to eighty is the number to call.

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01:51:20,093 --> 01:51:22,052
Speaker 3: A couple of texts coming through on nine two ninety

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01:51:22,053 --> 01:51:24,652
Speaker 3: two is well, we have.

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01:51:24,732 --> 01:51:26,892
Speaker 2: Had a four point four to seven times one point

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01:51:26,933 --> 01:51:28,932
Speaker 2: two to two best by Paul sitting in the box

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01:51:29,013 --> 01:51:31,093
Speaker 2: and the garage for three years. We set it up

2381
01:51:31,093 --> 01:51:33,133
Speaker 2: on the weekend, had a float with only about two

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01:51:33,173 --> 01:51:36,452
Speaker 2: feet of water in it, and it was absolute heaven

2383
01:51:36,732 --> 01:51:39,093
Speaker 2: having it filled right up. Now, as long as you

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01:51:39,173 --> 01:51:41,532
Speaker 2: remove the ladder and it's over one point two meters

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01:51:41,572 --> 01:51:43,812
Speaker 2: above the ground, you don't need a fence.

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01:51:43,973 --> 01:51:46,692
Speaker 3: Good to know, right, it is eleven minutes to fall

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01:51:46,732 --> 01:51:48,973
Speaker 3: back three surely, but keen to hear from you if

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01:51:49,053 --> 01:51:51,492
Speaker 3: you've got an above ground pool? How's it going?

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01:51:52,013 --> 01:51:52,532
Speaker 8: Nine to nine?

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01:51:52,572 --> 01:51:52,692
Speaker 7: Two?

2391
01:51:52,772 --> 01:51:55,213
Speaker 3: Is that text as well? Back for surely the.

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01:51:55,333 --> 01:51:59,253
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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01:51:59,333 --> 01:52:03,293
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said, be.

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01:52:04,372 --> 01:52:06,333
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Ju it is eight to four and

2395
01:52:06,412 --> 01:52:08,293
Speaker 3: we're talking about above ground pools. Is that the way

2396
01:52:08,492 --> 01:52:11,253
Speaker 3: to go versus pain? Sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars

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01:52:11,372 --> 01:52:13,293
Speaker 3: to dig it into the ground and have it all

2398
01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:15,412
Speaker 3: concreted up. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2399
01:52:15,452 --> 01:52:17,213
Speaker 3: that number to call? So many texts coming through.

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01:52:18,293 --> 01:52:20,293
Speaker 2: Update on the text that said my brother has a

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01:52:20,412 --> 01:52:22,612
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred liters stain of steel milk vat that he

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01:52:22,732 --> 01:52:25,532
Speaker 2: uses fits himself plus three to five ladies can also

2403
01:52:25,652 --> 01:52:27,612
Speaker 2: light an under fire a fire in it and makes

2404
01:52:27,652 --> 01:52:30,213
Speaker 2: a great spar also has a six thousand liter vat

2405
01:52:30,253 --> 01:52:33,253
Speaker 2: with a built in firebox, and I was asking the question,

2406
01:52:34,173 --> 01:52:36,452
Speaker 2: it's impressive that you can convince three to five ladies

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01:52:36,492 --> 01:52:39,492
Speaker 2: to get into this milk vat with it. He says,

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01:52:39,532 --> 01:52:41,933
Speaker 2: he's verya romantic. He's come back. He also cooks the

2409
01:52:42,053 --> 01:52:44,492
Speaker 2: dinner on the fire too. And for a laugh, when

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01:52:44,612 --> 01:52:49,013
Speaker 2: the cousins they strapped the vat to two kayaks and

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01:52:49,013 --> 01:52:51,892
Speaker 2: paddled out the manacau on the sandbar for a hot

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01:52:51,933 --> 01:52:52,892
Speaker 2: tub during low time.

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01:52:53,013 --> 01:52:53,492
Speaker 7: What a man?

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01:52:53,853 --> 01:52:57,932
Speaker 3: What a man? Ladies, just turn your spar off.

2415
01:52:57,893 --> 01:53:01,812
Speaker 2: Mat your muppets and then you sort it. Yeah that's true. Actually,

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01:53:02,013 --> 01:53:06,173
Speaker 2: so if a spar pool in summer, turn it off

2417
01:53:06,253 --> 01:53:07,772
Speaker 2: and then you've got a sort of a plungeball.

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01:53:07,812 --> 01:53:10,893
Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, good point. This one says guys in

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01:53:10,973 --> 01:53:15,253
Speaker 3: ground pool gape headlocked fenced up driveway, second farm gate

2420
01:53:15,372 --> 01:53:17,133
Speaker 3: lip so adult can figure out how to open it

2421
01:53:17,372 --> 01:53:19,972
Speaker 3: around the back of the house. I've got another heavy

2422
01:53:20,013 --> 01:53:21,732
Speaker 3: door that can't be open from the outside. But the

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01:53:21,933 --> 01:53:25,173
Speaker 3: in ground pool is an absolute must. Looked at the

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01:53:25,253 --> 01:53:27,412
Speaker 3: above ground pools and they're just not the same.

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01:53:27,732 --> 01:53:30,253
Speaker 2: Guys, says Trash. I have had a pool in my

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01:53:30,372 --> 01:53:32,732
Speaker 2: yard every summer for years. One of those best ways

2427
01:53:32,772 --> 01:53:35,492
Speaker 2: ones from warehouse, where you just blow up the ring

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01:53:35,652 --> 01:53:38,173
Speaker 2: and fill it up. Doesn't matter how deep, as long

2429
01:53:38,253 --> 01:53:40,132
Speaker 2: as you can get under the water and be cool

2430
01:53:40,853 --> 01:53:42,052
Speaker 2: whilst you sip your wine.

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01:53:42,412 --> 01:53:46,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your trash, very nice. And this one boys,

2432
01:53:46,812 --> 01:53:49,013
Speaker 3: My two young fellas took my ute to crap day

2433
01:53:49,093 --> 01:53:51,333
Speaker 3: and put a plastic liner in it and used it

2434
01:53:51,412 --> 01:53:54,013
Speaker 3: as a chili bin. As the day progressed, it was

2435
01:53:54,053 --> 01:53:56,333
Speaker 3: in the hawk's bait was hot. It got turned into

2436
01:53:56,333 --> 01:54:00,333
Speaker 3: an ice bath and they stayed in it and sunk

2437
01:54:00,452 --> 01:54:02,892
Speaker 3: the rest of their crates. Funny from Mecca, good times.

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01:54:02,973 --> 01:54:05,013
Speaker 2: That's thinking that there's a lot of people that are

2439
01:54:05,053 --> 01:54:07,213
Speaker 2: texting them, that are turning the back of their yutes

2440
01:54:07,253 --> 01:54:11,452
Speaker 2: into over this over summer time.

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01:54:11,572 --> 01:54:13,253
Speaker 3: That is Keiwi ingenuity at its best.

2442
01:54:14,253 --> 01:54:18,852
Speaker 2: Plenty more texts here like you're living the absolute dream life.

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01:54:18,893 --> 01:54:22,772
Speaker 2: I remember seeing a limousine once that had a pool

2444
01:54:22,812 --> 01:54:22,973
Speaker 2: in it.

2445
01:54:23,093 --> 01:54:24,812
Speaker 3: Oh how good? Yeah in New Zealand.

2446
01:54:25,532 --> 01:54:27,053
Speaker 2: No it wasn't in New Zealand, it was it was

2447
01:54:27,093 --> 01:54:29,452
Speaker 2: on some show. I think it was in Las Vegas,

2448
01:54:30,333 --> 01:54:31,852
Speaker 2: but it was no good at when you're stopping at

2449
01:54:31,853 --> 01:54:34,213
Speaker 2: the lights because all the water splashed forward.

2450
01:54:34,293 --> 01:54:34,453
Speaker 8: Right.

2451
01:54:34,573 --> 01:54:36,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know you can do that.

2452
01:54:36,493 --> 01:54:38,093
Speaker 2: You don't need a limousine and Las Vegas you can

2453
01:54:38,133 --> 01:54:41,293
Speaker 2: do that. You just if you're if you've put the

2454
01:54:41,373 --> 01:54:43,453
Speaker 2: right waterproofing in the back of your ut.

2455
01:54:43,613 --> 01:54:45,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you need a high lox. Good to go

2456
01:54:47,373 --> 01:54:50,093
Speaker 3: a couple more before we've got to wrap all this up.

2457
01:54:51,333 --> 01:54:56,613
Speaker 3: This one here, guys, we're in the YMAC and we

2458
01:54:57,133 --> 01:55:00,333
Speaker 3: have a fantastic sparpole. It's got a lockable lead, which

2459
01:55:00,413 --> 01:55:04,733
Speaker 3: is nice and easy. Fantastic to have. Sparpool was a

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01:55:04,812 --> 01:55:05,772
Speaker 3: must for Kiwi Living.

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01:55:06,573 --> 01:55:10,733
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, right, what a great chat we've had over

2462
01:55:10,772 --> 01:55:14,493
Speaker 2: the last three hours of radio. It's been a very

2463
01:55:14,693 --> 01:55:15,493
Speaker 2: very good time.

2464
01:55:16,173 --> 01:55:18,133
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's been a full on show, but we've

2465
01:55:18,253 --> 01:55:19,453
Speaker 3: absolutely loved it.

2466
01:55:19,772 --> 01:55:22,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for everyone for listening and

2467
01:55:22,653 --> 01:55:25,453
Speaker 2: everyone that texted in and called the tall, smart and

2468
01:55:25,533 --> 01:55:28,333
Speaker 2: handsome Ryan Bridge is in for Heather Ellen up next.

2469
01:55:28,373 --> 01:55:31,613
Speaker 2: He's a real triple threat, that man. But right now, Tyler,

2470
01:55:32,253 --> 01:55:35,093
Speaker 2: my good friend, why would I be playing this song

2471
01:55:35,213 --> 01:55:35,893
Speaker 2: by ACDC?

2472
01:55:36,093 --> 01:55:39,173
Speaker 3: Another one? I actually know what a tune eck addack

2473
01:55:39,253 --> 01:55:42,453
Speaker 3: a thunderstruck because you're looking at them right now. You

2474
01:55:42,533 --> 01:55:45,373
Speaker 3: were so enamored, enamored with this beautiful gift from Mike.

2475
01:55:45,893 --> 01:55:46,733
Speaker 3: We got delivered.

2476
01:55:47,053 --> 01:55:51,453
Speaker 2: We have an explosive package Thunderbombs, which is just the

2477
01:55:51,733 --> 01:55:56,213
Speaker 2: limited edition of Poha's Double Happies thirty five years. Might

2478
01:55:56,333 --> 01:55:58,133
Speaker 2: keep these and they just sent them in for us

2479
01:55:58,173 --> 01:56:03,052
Speaker 2: so we can fire up some little Poha, some little crackers.

2480
01:56:03,133 --> 01:56:05,053
Speaker 3: Have you got your lighter on you today? Should we

2481
01:56:05,093 --> 01:56:06,613
Speaker 3: head out into the quad right now and just see

2482
01:56:06,613 --> 01:56:06,933
Speaker 3: how they go?

2483
01:56:07,853 --> 01:56:10,933
Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't why wouldn't we exactly? Why would we not

2484
01:56:11,093 --> 01:56:13,653
Speaker 2: do that? Anyway you've seen us? He said. We'll let

2485
01:56:13,733 --> 01:56:16,293
Speaker 2: you go until tomorrow afternoon and give me a taste

2486
01:56:16,293 --> 01:56:17,293
Speaker 2: of Kiwi from Tyler and I.

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01:56:54,133 --> 01:56:55,293
Speaker 8: Matt and Tyler

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01:56:59,933 --> 01:57:02,493
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01:57:02,653 --> 01:57:05,573
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