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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Hello Jonathan, Hello, Heather made I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Have you recovered from your Thanksgiving? Well, I want to

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Speaker 1: say feast, but it was really it was more than that.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it. I think they're still turkey leftovers floating around

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Speaker 2: the place somewhere. I think I've been eating turkey sandwiches

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Speaker 2: for about five days now.

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Speaker 1: The word and if you didn't like it at the start,

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Speaker 1: what a crime? Punishment? Listen, tell me what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the Venezuelan bozies and the pressure on the government?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, turning from foodies to conflict. Yeah. Look, this is

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Speaker 2: becoming a real issue for the Trump administration. They essentially

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Speaker 2: have faced a lot of criticism and questions over this

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Speaker 2: sort of double strike that took place on the first

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Speaker 2: of the Venezuelan boats back on September two. There had

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Speaker 2: been allegations put to the Department of War that, at

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Speaker 2: the request of Pete haiks At, the US had carried

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Speaker 2: out the first strike on the boat saw survivors, and

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Speaker 2: carried out a second now killing those survivors. The Defense

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Speaker 2: Secretary has denied that today. It was his first opportunity

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Speaker 2: in front of cameras to speak publicly about this, and

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Speaker 2: essentially he said, look, yes he saw the first strike,

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Speaker 2: but then he disappeared off for another meeting. Didn't see

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Speaker 2: the second strike. That was actually overseen by a senior

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Speaker 2: official at the Pentagon, and he was all perfectly fine

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Speaker 2: with that. Now there are questions as to whether this

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Speaker 2: needs further investigation by Congress, whether we need to see

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Speaker 2: the military officials hauled in before Congress to answer questions

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Speaker 2: over this, whether the Defense Secretary is going to be

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Speaker 2: called up to answer questions over this, But both the

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Speaker 2: President and the Defense Secretary are saying essentially, look, we

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Speaker 2: need nothing about this second strike on survivors. We weren't there,

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Speaker 2: we didn't see it. The Defense Secretary going as far

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Speaker 2: today as to say, you know that this is the

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Speaker 2: fog of war. And so I think you are likely

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Speaker 2: to see Democrats continue to ramp up the pressure on

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Speaker 2: the administration over this issue, and that's no surprise. But

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Venezuela, well, the President has been

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Speaker 2: trying to push this line. He's trying to stop drug trafficking.

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Speaker 2: He's promised said that there would be a ground invasion,

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Speaker 2: a ground strike coming very soon. Whether or not that

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Speaker 2: actually happens remains to be seen. Whether this is actually

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Speaker 2: just a ploy by him to ramp up diplomatic pressure

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Speaker 2: on Nicholas Maduro, the socialist authoritarian leader inside Venezuela is

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Speaker 2: probably more likely.

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Speaker 1: And listen, what are we hearing from the meeting with

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Speaker 1: Whipkof and Peerson in Moscow.

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Speaker 2: Well, you touched on it briefly there, and that is

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Speaker 2: essentially there is no compromise. There is no deal. That

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Speaker 2: is the headline coming out of it. Where we've seen

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Speaker 2: these pictures of Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, president Trump's

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Speaker 2: son in law, paraded around Moscow essentially like tourists off

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Speaker 2: to a Michelin starred restaurant and various sites around the

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Speaker 2: Red Square in Moscow itself, and then they would take

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Speaker 2: an inside for the meeting that lasted round about five

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Speaker 2: or six hours. But nothing of significance came of it.

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Speaker 2: They don't appear to be any close. You heard the

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Speaker 2: fighting words from Vladimir Putin before the meeting even started,

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Speaker 2: that this is Europe's fault, that he is ready to

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Speaker 2: go to war. I mean, this is the language he

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Speaker 2: has used previously when he finds himself in a tough

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Speaker 2: position trying to negotiate with the United States. But he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's not budging his ground whatsoever. And right now, if

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Speaker 2: you were the US sitting looking at these negotiations, thinking

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Speaker 2: you've spent months and months of these, you'd have to

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Speaker 2: start wondering what is it that Vladimir Putin is actually

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Speaker 2: going to compromise on, if anything, And if he's not

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Speaker 2: going to compromise, what's the next step?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, fair point, fair question there. What's Sabrina Carpenter

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Speaker 1: not happy about?

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Speaker 2: Mate, Well, she's not happy about the president. This is

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Speaker 2: yet another figure from the world of entertainment. Of course,

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Speaker 2: many of the Swifties across the network would know that

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Speaker 2: Sabrina was accompanying her and her on a recent eras tour. Now,

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Speaker 2: Sabrina is not happy about the Trump administration using one

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Speaker 2: of her songs in a video that was about ice

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Speaker 2: raids and deporting people. She essentially took to social media

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Speaker 2: to say, you know that, to stop this. She doesn't

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Speaker 2: stand by it. She wants them to remove her music

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Speaker 2: from this. We've seen artists say this to the administration,

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Speaker 2: and I think the administration posts these videos with music

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Speaker 2: from vocal critics of their own campaign and administration, knowing

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Speaker 2: full well the response they're going to get, and they

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Speaker 2: certainly got a rise out of Saprina Carpetal.

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Speaker 1: Didn't they. Just Hey, Jonathan, thank you so much. Really

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Speaker 1: enjoy joy talking to you, and enjoy your turkey sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Is Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent. For more from Hither Duplessy

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