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Speaker 1: Seven Harvard on the surface or at the headline level.

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Speaker 1: What Trump is looking to do with places like Harvard

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Speaker 1: is go you can't go round being anti semitic the

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Speaker 1: way you are. So there's a funding rouse of Richard

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Speaker 1: Arnold on that. Shortly meantime back here is this the future?

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Speaker 1: There's your question this morning. Customs and the Defense Force.

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Speaker 1: They've got these two uncrewed surface vessels that are going

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Speaker 1: to be used to disrupt transnational organized crime. They're USVs

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Speaker 1: are there. They were trialed last year. Apparently they're seven

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Speaker 1: and a half meters long. They use a mix of solar,

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Speaker 1: wind and tide power to move, so they can be

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Speaker 1: at sea for a long time. Customs Deputy chief Executive

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Speaker 1: of Operations, Jamie Bamfort's with us on all of this. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: Morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, morning Mike. How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? When we say Customs and Defense, do you

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Speaker 1: share it all to your sort of co lab and

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Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've invested alongside Defense in buying those two concruise

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Speaker 2: serface vessels, so it's a sort of joint venture.

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Speaker 1: What do you pay for them?

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Speaker 2: What are they worth? You're about a million and a

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Speaker 2: half dollars for each one, so not cheap, but considerably cheaper,

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Speaker 2: and getting a frigate out there to do the same

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Speaker 2: sort of job.

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Speaker 1: And will they do the same sort of job as.

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Speaker 2: A frigid, Yes they will. I mean the Pacific Ocean

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Speaker 2: has gone from being a defense to a bit of

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Speaker 2: a risk vector for us, with our drug cartels and

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Speaker 2: our adversaries starting to smuggle through the huge ocean. We

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Speaker 2: have the world eleventh largest coastline, so we've got a large,

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Speaker 2: expansive sea to monitor, and so these two vessels give

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Speaker 2: us the opportunity to see and look across the oceans

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Speaker 2: and see what's coming our way.

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Speaker 1: What do you do about it? Because if I was

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Speaker 1: a drug smuggler, I would outrun you. I see there's

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Speaker 1: no people on board. I might blow you up. Do

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Speaker 1: you have all of those sort of things covered, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do.

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Speaker 2: We work closely with defense and police and other agencies,

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Speaker 2: so make sure we've got a good understanding what's happening

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Speaker 2: and we kind of plan accordingly. So I think you'd

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Speaker 2: have seen we've been into the Sea of Defense to

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Speaker 2: pick up three tons of cocaine a year or tour ago.

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Speaker 2: We also arrest people on shore, So we've got many,

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Speaker 2: many kind of ways of responding to that issue.

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Speaker 1: Is this a game changer or just a technological advance?

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Speaker 2: I think it's both. Actually, it used to be hugely

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Speaker 2: expensive for us to sort of have this capability. Prices

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Speaker 2: come down because technology is advanced. We're tech hungry at

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Speaker 2: Customs and defense, and so I think it really kind

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Speaker 2: of brings us into the game and gives us some capability.

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Speaker 2: It is our adversaries there growing too.

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Speaker 1: Does the tech improve over time, so when you talk

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Speaker 1: about solar, wind and tide, does it use all of

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Speaker 1: that at the same time, And is that tech improving exponentially?

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Speaker 2: Yes it is, and yes it can. So it can

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Speaker 2: be at sea for quite a long time. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you put out like I said, a frigate needs fueling.

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Speaker 2: It's got men and women on board. They need feeding,

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Speaker 2: so it can only be out there for so long.

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Speaker 2: Last expense these things pretty cheap gives us good maritime

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Speaker 2: domain awareness as we call it in the trade for

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Speaker 2: a very cheap price.

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Speaker 1: Really nice to go. Well, Jamie appreciate it. Jamie Benford,

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Speaker 1: who's the Customs Deputy Chief Executive of Operation sounds good,

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