1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Afternoon. Donald Trump says Israel has agreed to a sixty 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: day cease fire deal in Gaza and has warned Hamas 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: to take this deal as well because it will only 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: get worse. Israel and Hamasa yet to confirm this publicly. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: International relations expert Stephen Hodley is back of this high Stephen. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Oh, good evening. Hello, Nice to be talking to you again. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: It's lovely to talk to you again. Do you think 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: that he is forcing them into a c spire by 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: doing this? 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Donald Trump wants to put himself in the middle 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: of it, take credit for the whole thing. It's bizarre. 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: If you go on to the internet, you find Trump 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: says everything. I've seen nothing from Nataniahu yet or from 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: Hamas spokespeople. So this is very much a proformative initiative 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: by Trump himself. 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Will it work because it worked? This is how he 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: played it out with Iran and Israel, didn't it and 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: it actually. 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Worked well, I'm not sure sure because the major issues 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: still remain. Hamas want Israel out of Gaza, and Israel 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: is not inclined to leave Gaza until Hamas is disarmed 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: and all the hostages are returned. So the fundamental clash 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 2: between the two is still there no matter what Trump says. 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: So how could it possibly work, Stephen, Well, it cants. 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: We're talking about two incompatible demands between Hamas that wants 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: to survive, keep the hostages, keep control of the Gaza population, 27 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: and Israel that wants the opposite. So I predict that 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: whatever Trump says, the conflict will continue and he will 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: have to nail agencies will have to do their best 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: to help the innocent victims. 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Well, the I mean, in the scenario that you're describing, 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: this conflict just goes on until one or other side 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: is wiped out. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: It's much different to the Israeli Iran conflict. We're not 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: talking about two governments. We're talking about a government and 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: a militia, and the way they operate is totally different. 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Israelis are trying to operate according to law and bureaucratic practice, 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: and the militia are operating according to survival tactics and 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: using whatever advantages they can of the broken terrain and 40 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: terrorist initiatives. So it's an asymmetrical conflict therefore quite different 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: to the clash between Israel and Iran. 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: I See, so whatever if there was a ceasefire that 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: was agreed to. It would be temporary, it would be yes, 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: it'd be wonderful. 45 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: I mean, we all want to cease fire. We want 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: the innocent people to stop being harmed and killed. We 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: want aid to flow into Gaza. We want the rebuilding 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: process to begin. Remember it didn't take more than a 49 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: year or two to rebuild Germany and Japan. They were 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: flintened after World War Two. So the potential for a 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: rebuilt and a dynamic new Gaza is there. The potential 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: for a resolution of Israel with the Gulf Arab States 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: it is also there now that is that Iran is disarmed, 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: So there are lots of potential, but the Palestinians stand 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: right in the middle of it. Until this issue is settled, 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: then nothing else is settled. 57 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, thank you as always appreciated. Stephen Hoadley, 58 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: International relations expert. For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, 59 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.