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Speaker 1: So new data from Health New Zealand release to news

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Speaker 1: talks there be patients being discharged from hospital with meth

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Speaker 1: as part of their diagnosis has quadrupled in the last decade.

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Speaker 1: The amount of the wastewater testing doubled, but since twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen as well, which is obviously not great. Mike saban Form,

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Speaker 1: a detective and drug educator on the show Mike Good Morning,

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Speaker 1: Uri Row. Where's it all coming from?

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Speaker 2: The mess? Yeah, Southeast Asia and now South America.

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Speaker 1: And then does it go to the five oh one

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Speaker 1: gangs and then to Northland.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've had a triple tripling in the last twelve

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Speaker 2: months in actual effect, so a fair bit of it

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Speaker 2: will be But I think the five ones I've had

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Speaker 2: certainly had a hand to play. I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: largely where the American South American connections now come in.

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Speaker 2: But we're a country that has a large appetite for

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Speaker 2: a drug that we pay a lot more for than

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Speaker 2: anyone else. So it's not surprising that you know, the

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Speaker 2: problem with bad bubbling away for the last twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five years is continuing on with a head esteem.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you confident in those wastewater numbers that they

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Speaker 1: I mean they're terrible, but are they accurate?

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Speaker 2: Well, there are much better indicator than probably what we've

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Speaker 2: had before. But in a place like Northham, for example,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people obviously that are on septic tank,

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Speaker 2: so it's not picking them up, so it's not entirely accurate.

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Speaker 2: But if you look across a number of the other indicators,

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Speaker 2: that certainly because they're pretty good indication that use usage

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Speaker 2: is just steadily increasing and now exponentially increasing in recent years.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do about it? I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: been banging our heads against the wall trying to stop

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Speaker 1: this at the border. Clearly we're not stopping it. I

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Speaker 1: mean we're doing all we can and we're spending a

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Speaker 1: lot of money trying to do it, but it's not working.

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Speaker 2: What do we do well? I guess the question is

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Speaker 2: if there's a demand, they'll always be a supply. It's

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Speaker 2: like any other commodity. It's just that this particular commodity,

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Speaker 2: you know, people get addicted to the stuff, they can't

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Speaker 2: not use it, and so you know, for the suppliers,

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Speaker 2: it's a really really made customers that just keep buying more.

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Speaker 2: So demand reduction really is the key I mean fundamentally,

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Speaker 2: you've got to turn the tap off on the supply

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Speaker 2: because otherwise people are going to keep supplying it, and

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Speaker 2: we don't really address that, haven't done so for the

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Speaker 2: twenty five years. We've had the problem largely because our

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Speaker 2: policy is centered around the notion of harmonimization or problem limitation,

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Speaker 2: which accepts that use is going to happen and tries

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Speaker 2: to manage it, which is the wrong way to go

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Speaker 2: about it. Anywhere that's seen any reductions has really had

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Speaker 2: a focus on prevention, which we do with tobacco, we

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Speaker 2: do with you know, diabetes and other health issues. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure why drug use we say, well, let's just

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Speaker 2: try and manage the problem instead of preventing it from

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Speaker 2: starting an affairs.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Mike, appreciate your time this morning. Mike Sabin form

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Speaker 1: a detective drug educator of course nationally MP as well the.

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