1 00:00:19,059 --> 00:00:22,178 Speaker 1: Kyota at Chelsea Daniels here, host of the Front Page. 2 00:00:22,379 --> 00:00:24,779 Speaker 1: We're taking a week breakover summer, but to help fill 3 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:28,499 Speaker 1: the gap, we're reissuing some of our most significant episodes 4 00:00:28,539 --> 00:00:32,019 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five on behalf of the Front Page team. 5 00:00:32,138 --> 00:00:34,619 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and we look forward to being back 6 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:37,539 Speaker 1: with you on January twelfth, twenty twenty six. 7 00:00:44,259 --> 00:00:44,699 Speaker 2: Kyota. 8 00:00:44,778 --> 00:00:47,819 Speaker 1: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 9 00:00:47,899 --> 00:00:54,699 Speaker 1: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. French exchange 10 00:00:54,739 --> 00:00:57,939 Speaker 1: student Elois Roland was last seen five. 11 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:59,099 Speaker 2: Years ago today. 12 00:00:59,499 --> 00:01:03,859 Speaker 1: The then eighteen year old's disappearance has baffled authorities ever since. 13 00:01:04,339 --> 00:01:06,739 Speaker 2: Was it murder, a kidnapping, an accident? 14 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:09,619 Speaker 1: Did he get lost in the bush, commit suicide or 15 00:01:09,619 --> 00:01:10,699 Speaker 1: plan an escape? 16 00:01:11,139 --> 00:01:13,619 Speaker 2: Is he still alive? Does he want to be found? 17 00:01:14,059 --> 00:01:17,419 Speaker 1: He searches Google Maps for directions to Peeh about five 18 00:01:17,459 --> 00:01:21,499 Speaker 1: am that morning, walks for nearly two hours. He turns 19 00:01:21,619 --> 00:01:24,738 Speaker 1: onto Piha Road about nine to sixteen am, and at 20 00:01:24,859 --> 00:01:28,539 Speaker 1: nine forty eight am the battery on his phone goes 21 00:01:28,619 --> 00:01:34,859 Speaker 1: dead and then nothing nothing For five years. Today, on 22 00:01:34,899 --> 00:01:38,339 Speaker 1: the Front Page, Herald's senior journalist an Elise joins us 23 00:01:38,378 --> 00:01:41,458 Speaker 1: as we take a look back at Eloi's disappearance, we'll 24 00:01:41,499 --> 00:01:44,859 Speaker 1: also hear some clips from my conversations with Aloa's parents, 25 00:01:44,899 --> 00:01:49,179 Speaker 1: Tieri and Catmine, and Bruno du Bois of A Cappella Productions, 26 00:01:49,538 --> 00:01:53,459 Speaker 1: who directed a documentary series in France about Lawa's story 27 00:01:57,538 --> 00:02:00,499 Speaker 1: and Elois disappeared five years ago. 28 00:02:00,659 --> 00:02:02,698 Speaker 2: Can you tell me a little bit about the investigation. 29 00:02:02,819 --> 00:02:06,619 Speaker 3: Initially, police were able to ascertain that after he left 30 00:02:06,739 --> 00:02:09,179 Speaker 3: his host family's home, which was on the north Shore, 31 00:02:09,299 --> 00:02:12,059 Speaker 3: he came into town and got on a train who 32 00:02:12,059 --> 00:02:14,419 Speaker 3: was sent at Britomart, the big transport center in Auckland, 33 00:02:14,779 --> 00:02:17,738 Speaker 3: and then he was seen again on camera in West Auckland, 34 00:02:17,819 --> 00:02:21,099 Speaker 3: and from there they know that he's probably walked ten 35 00:02:21,139 --> 00:02:24,259 Speaker 3: kilometers to the area of Peiha Road. That's where his 36 00:02:24,299 --> 00:02:26,539 Speaker 3: cell phone was tracked to and that's where it stopped. 37 00:02:27,019 --> 00:02:30,258 Speaker 3: They checked that area extensively. They went through the bush, 38 00:02:30,339 --> 00:02:33,778 Speaker 3: they went door knocking, they just did everything they could 39 00:02:33,819 --> 00:02:36,779 Speaker 3: in that area to find traces of him, and there 40 00:02:36,819 --> 00:02:39,619 Speaker 3: was just nothing. At some point later on they found 41 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:41,779 Speaker 3: a T shirt and that was sent off to be 42 00:02:41,819 --> 00:02:44,059 Speaker 3: forensically tested, but wasn't his. 43 00:02:44,299 --> 00:02:46,899 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of interest about his disappearance here, 44 00:02:46,939 --> 00:02:49,778 Speaker 1: but also actually in France. I've spoken with the director there, 45 00:02:49,779 --> 00:02:53,779 Speaker 1: Bruno d'u pois of a Cappella Productions, about a documentary 46 00:02:53,819 --> 00:02:56,259 Speaker 1: series he actually did, and he's told me it's gotten 47 00:02:56,258 --> 00:02:58,179 Speaker 1: a lot of traction over there. 48 00:02:58,779 --> 00:03:02,339 Speaker 4: In France. We heard a lot about this toy because 49 00:03:02,379 --> 00:03:06,339 Speaker 4: at this time it was COVID. I discover by Facebook 50 00:03:06,418 --> 00:03:10,299 Speaker 4: and I was very concerned because it was very strange. 51 00:03:10,339 --> 00:03:13,259 Speaker 4: We don't heard about this do it? And I think 52 00:03:13,379 --> 00:03:17,179 Speaker 4: it was a very very big injustice. And they start 53 00:03:17,258 --> 00:03:20,939 Speaker 4: to work about this. Toya meets the family and promised 54 00:03:20,939 --> 00:03:24,099 Speaker 4: to help them to try to understand what's happened to Eloids. 55 00:03:24,258 --> 00:03:27,899 Speaker 4: And after we have to wait for two years before 56 00:03:28,099 --> 00:03:30,939 Speaker 4: can come to New Zealand because you know use Alund 57 00:03:31,019 --> 00:03:34,459 Speaker 4: closing border to her to wait is a long way, 58 00:03:34,619 --> 00:03:37,859 Speaker 4: a long time. It was very difficult for parents and 59 00:03:38,139 --> 00:03:42,139 Speaker 4: as this time we can only work with internet. With 60 00:03:42,699 --> 00:03:47,738 Speaker 4: his family, we tried to find everything about his life 61 00:03:47,939 --> 00:03:50,618 Speaker 4: in New Zealand by such a networks activity. 62 00:03:50,819 --> 00:03:52,898 Speaker 1: I think it's important to note el One went missing 63 00:03:52,939 --> 00:03:55,819 Speaker 1: in the early days of COVID. Hey the week after 64 00:03:55,859 --> 00:04:00,379 Speaker 1: he went missing, the who actually officially declared a global pandemic. 65 00:04:00,379 --> 00:04:03,739 Speaker 1: This gives us some insight into how it's disappearance kind 66 00:04:03,779 --> 00:04:05,019 Speaker 1: of flew under the radar a bit. 67 00:04:05,099 --> 00:04:08,259 Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, it absolutely did. And a lot of people 68 00:04:08,299 --> 00:04:11,299 Speaker 3: go missing in New Zealand and turn up later on. 69 00:04:11,379 --> 00:04:13,099 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of stories that we do, a 70 00:04:13,139 --> 00:04:15,299 Speaker 3: lot of press releases we get from policing. This person 71 00:04:15,379 --> 00:04:17,659 Speaker 3: is missing and then a few hours later they've been found. 72 00:04:18,539 --> 00:04:21,259 Speaker 3: We knew that Alwa hadn't been found, we knew that 73 00:04:21,259 --> 00:04:23,699 Speaker 3: he was still missing, but also this huge, big pandemic 74 00:04:24,179 --> 00:04:26,059 Speaker 3: was happening at the time, and a lot of things 75 00:04:26,099 --> 00:04:29,699 Speaker 3: just became sort of secondary, I guess in the headlines, 76 00:04:30,379 --> 00:04:32,419 Speaker 3: and that must have been so frustrating for his family 77 00:04:32,539 --> 00:04:34,099 Speaker 3: being on the other side of the world. They can't 78 00:04:34,139 --> 00:04:38,219 Speaker 3: get here to search themselves. But the police have assured 79 00:04:38,219 --> 00:04:40,779 Speaker 3: that they've just done everything they can. They've chased every lead, 80 00:04:41,059 --> 00:04:43,019 Speaker 3: any tip that's come in, they've looked at and if 81 00:04:43,059 --> 00:04:45,539 Speaker 3: it's you know, if it's something they can work with, 82 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:49,099 Speaker 3: they have done that. But it was such an unprecedented 83 00:04:49,179 --> 00:04:51,619 Speaker 3: and unknown time in the world, and I think that 84 00:04:51,779 --> 00:04:54,779 Speaker 3: the events of COVID definitely took this over for sure. 85 00:04:55,259 --> 00:04:58,339 Speaker 3: And again, I just cannot imagine someone in my family 86 00:04:58,339 --> 00:04:59,819 Speaker 3: being missing on the other side of the world and 87 00:04:59,859 --> 00:05:02,259 Speaker 3: not being able to physically go there and look for 88 00:05:02,299 --> 00:05:05,499 Speaker 3: them myself and see the area and understand what might 89 00:05:05,499 --> 00:05:06,139 Speaker 3: have been going on. 90 00:05:06,259 --> 00:05:09,899 Speaker 1: So Elua came to New Zealand to study English, and 91 00:05:09,939 --> 00:05:12,219 Speaker 1: as far as his family was aware, he didn't actually 92 00:05:12,259 --> 00:05:15,779 Speaker 1: have any previous mental health concerns. But what kind of 93 00:05:15,779 --> 00:05:19,579 Speaker 1: behavior did he exhibit while he was here, so there were. 94 00:05:19,419 --> 00:05:22,659 Speaker 3: No red flags for his host family. He had planned 95 00:05:22,699 --> 00:05:25,619 Speaker 3: to go home earlier. He changed his flights to go 96 00:05:25,699 --> 00:05:29,139 Speaker 3: home earlier in the month. I think he was Judigo 97 00:05:29,179 --> 00:05:30,739 Speaker 3: home in late May, and he changed his flight to 98 00:05:30,739 --> 00:05:33,259 Speaker 3: the twenty first. He told friends that he was homesick. 99 00:05:33,379 --> 00:05:35,699 Speaker 3: He felt very lonely here and he was missing friends 100 00:05:36,139 --> 00:05:39,299 Speaker 3: and family. He wanted to just go back to France. 101 00:05:39,459 --> 00:05:42,659 Speaker 3: And he was actually really excited because he had a 102 00:05:42,739 --> 00:05:44,819 Speaker 3: test coming up to get into the Air Force and 103 00:05:44,859 --> 00:05:46,379 Speaker 3: he wanted to go back and do that early and 104 00:05:46,619 --> 00:05:48,659 Speaker 3: move on with that. So he was a young person 105 00:05:48,699 --> 00:05:51,499 Speaker 3: with plans and he was excited about his future. But 106 00:05:51,539 --> 00:05:53,779 Speaker 3: at the same time he was homesick. He was, you know, 107 00:05:53,899 --> 00:05:56,099 Speaker 3: speaking about loneliness, and you know, there were some other 108 00:05:56,139 --> 00:05:58,339 Speaker 3: things going on. You know, I think there had been 109 00:05:58,379 --> 00:06:01,699 Speaker 3: a romantic situation that hadn't gone his way, and understandably 110 00:06:01,739 --> 00:06:04,619 Speaker 3: he wasn't feeling great. But even so, his friends that 111 00:06:04,659 --> 00:06:08,579 Speaker 3: he spoke to regularly didn't have any sort of huge 112 00:06:08,619 --> 00:06:10,699 Speaker 3: concerns about him at the time. 113 00:06:14,899 --> 00:06:17,699 Speaker 1: So Bruno, the director I spoke to, actually said from 114 00:06:17,699 --> 00:06:20,539 Speaker 1: the videos that he had seen, they thought maybe it 115 00:06:20,659 --> 00:06:25,019 Speaker 1: was schizophrenia, because you start developing those symptoms around that age. 116 00:06:25,419 --> 00:06:27,659 Speaker 1: But he did say that he's not a psychologist and 117 00:06:27,699 --> 00:06:30,379 Speaker 1: it could have been something else like depression. In the 118 00:06:30,419 --> 00:06:33,539 Speaker 1: months leading up to his disappearance, he had apparently fallen 119 00:06:33,579 --> 00:06:35,379 Speaker 1: in love with a French girl at his class. She 120 00:06:35,419 --> 00:06:39,019 Speaker 1: had a boyfriend who arrived in December. His teacher said 121 00:06:39,139 --> 00:06:42,779 Speaker 1: his mood changes, he started acting weird. He was sacked 122 00:06:42,779 --> 00:06:45,939 Speaker 1: from two restaurant jobs. At one of them, security took 123 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:48,699 Speaker 1: a video of him ranting and raving after being thrown out, 124 00:06:49,219 --> 00:06:51,299 Speaker 1: and he sends a video to his parents saying the 125 00:06:51,339 --> 00:06:54,618 Speaker 1: owner of the hotel he worked at created the coronavirus 126 00:06:54,619 --> 00:06:58,339 Speaker 1: and said that he wanted to quote kill him. One 127 00:06:58,379 --> 00:07:02,819 Speaker 1: thing though, for certain, is that Elois felt alone. 128 00:07:03,619 --> 00:07:08,178 Speaker 4: All those students start to judge him, has some strange 129 00:07:08,259 --> 00:07:11,139 Speaker 4: guy and if you work very alone. At this time, 130 00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:16,339 Speaker 4: he start to the publication on Facebook and Mastagram, strength 131 00:07:16,619 --> 00:07:21,979 Speaker 4: very long, very politive about his bad feeling, his sad feeling. 132 00:07:22,099 --> 00:07:24,699 Speaker 4: He was as sick, but he said a lot, he 133 00:07:24,859 --> 00:07:28,379 Speaker 4: said a lot in the social network. Everybody around him, 134 00:07:28,619 --> 00:07:32,939 Speaker 4: especially for those students in US school, rejected him and 135 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:36,179 Speaker 4: don't help him. And I think there is something with 136 00:07:36,299 --> 00:07:40,179 Speaker 4: more kind of kindness. Maybe somebody can help him and say, Okay, 137 00:07:41,019 --> 00:07:44,579 Speaker 4: you are sick. We can go in the hospitality or 138 00:07:44,659 --> 00:07:47,979 Speaker 4: doctor and we will help you. That's what happened. 139 00:07:48,139 --> 00:07:52,579 Speaker 1: You think basically he was acting strange. He may have 140 00:07:52,859 --> 00:07:57,499 Speaker 1: developed some kind of mental health condition, like perhaps schizophrenia, 141 00:07:57,699 --> 00:08:04,419 Speaker 1: and that kind of explains his rational behavior. What clues 142 00:08:04,699 --> 00:08:08,739 Speaker 1: did you find by looking through his social media accounts. 143 00:08:09,139 --> 00:08:10,499 Speaker 4: We found a lot of things and a lot of 144 00:08:10,579 --> 00:08:14,859 Speaker 4: mysage message he was very alone. He feels very alone, 145 00:08:14,939 --> 00:08:18,659 Speaker 4: and nobody else helps him. He sent a lot, a 146 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:21,819 Speaker 4: lot and a lot of message and story. And when 147 00:08:21,859 --> 00:08:25,019 Speaker 4: somebody do that, obviously it's for to caull help. 148 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:27,419 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:08:27,739 --> 00:08:32,259 Speaker 4: In one message, he's said by a voice message, everybody 150 00:08:32,739 --> 00:08:35,939 Speaker 4: can see I need help, but they don't. He said 151 00:08:35,979 --> 00:08:42,539 Speaker 4: it what is also very sad that he understanding himself. 152 00:08:42,539 --> 00:08:45,979 Speaker 4: He has some trouble. He wondered himself about what's happened 153 00:08:45,979 --> 00:08:48,219 Speaker 4: to him, and he said it. He said it a 154 00:08:48,259 --> 00:08:53,379 Speaker 4: lot on story by voice message, but everybody wiljecting nobody had. 155 00:09:05,699 --> 00:09:10,338 Speaker 1: And what have police said about the investigation into Elwa's disappearance. 156 00:09:10,539 --> 00:09:13,139 Speaker 3: Look, they've said all along that it remains open, that 157 00:09:13,218 --> 00:09:15,778 Speaker 3: they will follow up any line of inquiry in it. 158 00:09:16,419 --> 00:09:19,339 Speaker 3: You know, in cases like this, they don't stay active 159 00:09:19,338 --> 00:09:22,299 Speaker 3: on a daily basis. You know, police can only do 160 00:09:22,338 --> 00:09:23,939 Speaker 3: so much and then they have to sort of move 161 00:09:23,978 --> 00:09:26,179 Speaker 3: to the next phase of an investigation. So while this 162 00:09:26,259 --> 00:09:28,499 Speaker 3: is never closed, there's not a whole team working on 163 00:09:28,539 --> 00:09:30,578 Speaker 3: it every day. They have promised though that if there 164 00:09:30,659 --> 00:09:34,259 Speaker 3: is new information, they'll act on it. And you know, 165 00:09:34,498 --> 00:09:36,859 Speaker 3: it's a hard part of New Zealand when someone goes 166 00:09:36,899 --> 00:09:39,458 Speaker 3: missing out on that west coast. And I don't think 167 00:09:39,458 --> 00:09:42,859 Speaker 3: a lot of people understand that the area our bush 168 00:09:42,978 --> 00:09:46,019 Speaker 3: is intense. It's not just a little forest, it's not 169 00:09:46,098 --> 00:09:51,179 Speaker 3: just some trees. It's really heavy forestation and it's a 170 00:09:51,218 --> 00:09:56,219 Speaker 3: really precarious sort of you know ground and terrain, and 171 00:09:56,299 --> 00:10:00,059 Speaker 3: police can only do so much they employ search and 172 00:10:00,098 --> 00:10:04,539 Speaker 3: rescue professionals, they use dogs, they drones now and heat 173 00:10:04,618 --> 00:10:07,099 Speaker 3: seeking drones, and they've got so many ways to look 174 00:10:07,139 --> 00:10:09,258 Speaker 3: for people and they employ all of those in a 175 00:10:09,299 --> 00:10:12,419 Speaker 3: case like this. They've always said they won't close this 176 00:10:12,539 --> 00:10:16,259 Speaker 3: case until or unless they, you know, have really good 177 00:10:16,299 --> 00:10:18,299 Speaker 3: reason to. There have been other cases of people that 178 00:10:18,338 --> 00:10:20,778 Speaker 3: have gone missing in that area, and after a while, 179 00:10:20,819 --> 00:10:23,378 Speaker 3: the only sort of logical conclusion is that they have 180 00:10:23,458 --> 00:10:26,739 Speaker 3: passed away, and those cases have been referred to the coroner. 181 00:10:27,179 --> 00:10:31,978 Speaker 3: Aloa's case hasn't yet, and police have assured his family 182 00:10:32,098 --> 00:10:35,218 Speaker 3: and us, you know, multiple times that in any new 183 00:10:35,259 --> 00:10:38,019 Speaker 3: information they will act on and it remains open and 184 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:40,659 Speaker 3: anyone with information is encouraged to come forward. 185 00:10:40,899 --> 00:10:46,299 Speaker 1: So documentary filmmaker Dupois and the Rolands, they think that 186 00:10:46,338 --> 00:10:50,418 Speaker 1: there are endless scenarios about what could have happened to Elois. 187 00:10:50,419 --> 00:10:53,419 Speaker 4: We already can't know what's happened to you. We already 188 00:10:53,738 --> 00:10:57,939 Speaker 4: can not because we have no information, no clues. So 189 00:10:58,218 --> 00:11:03,139 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I think maybe my conviction is Issues 190 00:11:03,259 --> 00:11:08,098 Speaker 4: is shoes to live. But probably it went bad, I 191 00:11:08,098 --> 00:11:11,099 Speaker 4: think in first issues, but probably it went bad. But 192 00:11:11,539 --> 00:11:15,779 Speaker 4: I'm sure you know suicide and maybe what he's missing. 193 00:11:15,819 --> 00:11:21,138 Speaker 4: Now it's a criminal investigation, but we have no fact 194 00:11:21,299 --> 00:11:25,258 Speaker 4: that investigation, but we have no fact for missing, for suicidal, 195 00:11:25,299 --> 00:11:29,379 Speaker 4: and the fact as a believer as a bush. 196 00:11:30,019 --> 00:11:33,459 Speaker 1: So the detective in charge of the investigation told The 197 00:11:33,498 --> 00:11:36,619 Speaker 1: Herald in twenty twenty two he thought it was unlikely 198 00:11:36,659 --> 00:11:39,338 Speaker 1: that Aloa made it to the Black Sands of Piha Beach. 199 00:11:39,379 --> 00:11:43,098 Speaker 1: He said, my thoughts are still the bush. He's potentially 200 00:11:43,179 --> 00:11:45,498 Speaker 1: tried to take a shortcut to the beach and didn't 201 00:11:45,539 --> 00:11:50,019 Speaker 1: realize how far that would be and overestimated his abilities. 202 00:11:50,338 --> 00:11:53,299 Speaker 1: He said, it's pretty gnarly in there. It is possible 203 00:11:53,338 --> 00:11:56,098 Speaker 1: he's just thought, well, it's like a straight line down there, 204 00:11:56,098 --> 00:11:58,419 Speaker 1: so it shouldn't be a problem, and maybe he's gotten 205 00:11:58,419 --> 00:12:00,378 Speaker 1: into some grief in the bush somewhere. 206 00:12:00,578 --> 00:12:02,858 Speaker 3: The police have always told me that they're keeping an 207 00:12:02,899 --> 00:12:07,179 Speaker 3: open mind. Obviously the area Aloi has gone missing in 208 00:12:07,259 --> 00:12:10,859 Speaker 3: or was last seen, and is that really intense bush 209 00:12:11,218 --> 00:12:14,019 Speaker 3: sort of area. There's lots of places out there where 210 00:12:14,059 --> 00:12:17,939 Speaker 3: people can slip and fall and have accidents and may 211 00:12:18,019 --> 00:12:21,898 Speaker 3: not necessarily be found quickly. Now there's people out there 212 00:12:21,899 --> 00:12:26,258 Speaker 3: that have never been found, unfortunately, but police are open 213 00:12:26,299 --> 00:12:29,299 Speaker 3: to any any theory or any you know, they've not 214 00:12:29,338 --> 00:12:32,259 Speaker 3: shut down anything. There's no signs of foul play, there's 215 00:12:32,259 --> 00:12:35,459 Speaker 3: no signs of any sort of kidnap or you know, 216 00:12:35,498 --> 00:12:39,578 Speaker 3: suspicious circumstance. But equally, if someone came forward with information, 217 00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:42,259 Speaker 3: you know, the police have said that they will investigate that. 218 00:12:44,019 --> 00:12:47,699 Speaker 3: I just can't imagine what it's like for Aloi's family to, 219 00:12:48,179 --> 00:12:51,139 Speaker 3: as I said, not be able to come here and 220 00:12:51,218 --> 00:12:54,419 Speaker 3: to know and have that closure. There's just so many 221 00:12:54,498 --> 00:12:59,299 Speaker 3: unknowns for them, and you know, unsurprisingly, they must constantly 222 00:12:59,338 --> 00:13:02,939 Speaker 3: think about different ways and means that he's gone missing, 223 00:13:02,978 --> 00:13:04,859 Speaker 3: and that must be absolutely torturing for them. 224 00:13:05,098 --> 00:13:06,619 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Anna, Thank you. 225 00:13:11,498 --> 00:13:15,898 Speaker 1: I spoke with Aniwa's parents, Tieri and Katerine, and they 226 00:13:15,939 --> 00:13:19,578 Speaker 1: came to New Zealand in twenty twenty two. They appealed 227 00:13:19,578 --> 00:13:22,458 Speaker 1: to the public for any information about their son, and 228 00:13:22,498 --> 00:13:25,899 Speaker 1: they told me the five years since Elawa's disappearance just 229 00:13:25,939 --> 00:13:27,418 Speaker 1: feels like five days. 230 00:13:27,819 --> 00:13:32,499 Speaker 5: We are we are very we feel very heartbreaking, very worry. 231 00:13:32,738 --> 00:13:38,379 Speaker 5: On the It's very difficult since it's disciplined every day, 232 00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:43,179 Speaker 5: every night, really think to a war. It's very difficult 233 00:13:43,498 --> 00:13:47,738 Speaker 5: because we have not news of the war because of 234 00:13:48,458 --> 00:13:53,179 Speaker 5: the investigation. Police are very difficult for home, it's not 235 00:13:53,498 --> 00:13:59,778 Speaker 5: easy to communicate and every every day, the week, every month, 236 00:14:00,098 --> 00:14:04,618 Speaker 5: we try to keep the contact with New Zealand the authority. 237 00:14:05,338 --> 00:14:07,819 Speaker 2: What do you think happens? 238 00:14:08,299 --> 00:14:14,218 Speaker 5: In fact we always it is safe and in good health, 239 00:14:15,618 --> 00:14:20,819 Speaker 5: but it's very difficult. We have done everything to keep 240 00:14:21,419 --> 00:14:23,379 Speaker 5: open police investigations. 241 00:14:25,099 --> 00:14:28,819 Speaker 6: The police did a lot of such in the area 242 00:14:29,019 --> 00:14:35,419 Speaker 6: where i Wa disappeared, but she didn't find anything and 243 00:14:35,619 --> 00:14:38,619 Speaker 6: we we still don't know what what happened. 244 00:14:39,099 --> 00:14:43,859 Speaker 1: I have spoken with police and they say the file 245 00:14:44,339 --> 00:14:48,659 Speaker 1: remains open and to the disappearance of al Wir el 246 00:14:48,739 --> 00:14:53,019 Speaker 1: Wa is still a missing person and police continue to 247 00:14:53,179 --> 00:14:55,178 Speaker 1: follow up any news. 248 00:14:55,859 --> 00:14:57,059 Speaker 2: We are very greatful. 249 00:14:57,379 --> 00:15:01,499 Speaker 6: We are very grateful because for us, it's very important 250 00:15:01,579 --> 00:15:06,059 Speaker 6: that I war stay in the in the main and 251 00:15:06,259 --> 00:15:10,339 Speaker 6: the main of of the people on the world, on 252 00:15:10,379 --> 00:15:14,778 Speaker 6: the earth. The most important is that the people remember 253 00:15:15,739 --> 00:15:21,099 Speaker 6: ill war because perhaps y yeah, do you have a testimony? 254 00:15:22,099 --> 00:15:22,739 Speaker 2: We don't know. 255 00:15:26,419 --> 00:15:29,539 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 256 00:15:29,579 --> 00:15:33,339 Speaker 1: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 257 00:15:33,419 --> 00:15:37,459 Speaker 1: at enzidherld dot co dot nz. The Front Page is 258 00:15:37,459 --> 00:15:41,219 Speaker 1: produced by Ethan Sills and Richard Martin, who is also 259 00:15:41,379 --> 00:15:46,019 Speaker 1: a sound engineer. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to the front 260 00:15:46,059 --> 00:15:49,619 Speaker 1: page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and 261 00:15:49,739 --> 00:15:53,739 Speaker 1: tune in on Monday for another look behind the headlines.