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Speaker 1: So this comes from the dancing and the head of

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Speaker 1: a pinfile. We've got angst around this FDA India wording.

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Speaker 1: Now confirmation from the government that the agreement would not

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Speaker 1: allow New Zealand to impose a cap on students visas

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Speaker 1: specifically from India. Now, is this the part that Winston

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Speaker 1: Peters and the xenophobes have been milking? Now, Trade Minister

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Speaker 1: Tom mclay's with this. Good morning, Hey, make good morning.

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Speaker 1: Do you accept that this is the sort of thing

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Speaker 1: in election year that people will grab and run with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, but it's really important

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Speaker 2: to rise it up a level. Number one. There was

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Speaker 2: always going to be a bit of politics around this

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Speaker 2: because it is a very big deal. It's one point

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Speaker 2: four billion people. You know. I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 2: speculation about tens and tens of thousands of Indians just

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Speaker 2: having the absolute right to come to New Zealand. Make

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Speaker 2: this is a trade deal, it's not an immigration deal.

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Speaker 2: They do not have that ability. The New Zealand Governor

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Speaker 2: has reserve the right to change visa settings as we

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Speaker 2: need to. And the final point would be we have

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Speaker 2: now a trade deal. One of the best in there

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Speaker 2: is done with anybody. We're five million people are one

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Speaker 2: point four billion. This is a very good deal for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. And each party in Parliament is going to

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Speaker 2: have to decide how are they going to make the

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Speaker 2: case of where their support lies.

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Speaker 1: As regards the text. Could you have been clearer?

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Speaker 2: Well, the answer is yes, I could have. But you've

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Speaker 2: heard me say on your show. It's going through a

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Speaker 2: legal verification and then we'll look to release it. There's

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Speaker 2: a Herald article today that is correct that says India

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Speaker 2: has asked it not to be released. If you think

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Speaker 2: about it, they're negotiating with the EU and the US

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Speaker 2: and they're very sensitive about what they've given us equally

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Speaker 2: what they will give others, and so you know, we

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Speaker 2: can only release things and talk about things widely when

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Speaker 2: our partners in this case India agree. So yes, it

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Speaker 2: could have been clearer in it, but at the same time,

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Speaker 2: it's going through legal verification and it's my expectation it

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Speaker 2: will be released to the public and every single member

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Speaker 2: of Parliament that it has a right to have a

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Speaker 2: better understanding of it, and we'll go through a proper

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Speaker 2: and full parliamentary scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 1: Fly in the ointment here is our policy settings in

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Speaker 1: terms of bringing people into the country are unchanged. So

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Speaker 1: in other words, we want more nurses, we will decide

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Speaker 1: how many more nurses we won't go. We want two

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Speaker 1: thousand nurses, but no one from India, because we've never

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Speaker 1: done that and therefore nothing's different.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Well, the debate at the moment has moved

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Speaker 2: to students and whether or not we can cap the

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Speaker 2: number of students, and actually there has never been a

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Speaker 2: cap on number of students. We've never said we want

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Speaker 2: them from Australia, we don't want them from the UK,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think any future government would ever do that.

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Speaker 2: That makes no sense to But what we have always

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Speaker 2: done is we have changed the visa settings, the conditions

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Speaker 2: that you have to meet to be able to get

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Speaker 2: a visa to come and study in New Zealand. If

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Speaker 2: we jump back to when we were in government previously,

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Speaker 2: there were a very large number of students in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: As a result of COVID, it went down, but the

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Speaker 2: previous government we have changed those settings to make sure

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Speaker 2: that actually the number of places the students coming here,

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Speaker 2: matches are required and we can continue to well, this

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Speaker 2: is general settings.

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Speaker 1: This is just immigration policies the way it's always been.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly right, and you've got that exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And there is nothing in the agreement that alters have

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Speaker 2: stopped the current of future in New Zealand government from

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Speaker 2: doing that. But I want to come back again and look,

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Speaker 2: I accept there was always going to be a bit

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Speaker 2: of politics around this. It doesn't surprise me. But Mike,

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Speaker 2: this is a trade deal with one point four billion people.

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Speaker 2: Go all the way back to the China agreement, when

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Speaker 2: there was the same sort of angst. If we hadn't

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Speaker 2: have done that deal over a few Chinese, you know,

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Speaker 2: chefs coming here. I think our economy was much poorer.

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Speaker 2: It'd be far fewer jobs. This is a great deal

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Speaker 2: with India and we just need to grab it by

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Speaker 2: the horns and let Kiwi businesses do what they do best,

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Speaker 2: go overseas and make money.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, No man, nice to talk to your Tom McLay

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Speaker 1: trade minister. Is it getting harder to do anything in

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Speaker 1: this country? Is everything we try and do in this

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Speaker 1: country that's positive? Some idiot's going to moan about it,

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Speaker 1: is that where we're at Now.

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