1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Barri so seeing your political correspondence with us. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: Hey Barry, good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: So we have got what thirty thousand turning up tomorrow 4 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: at Parliament, have we Well, I'll. 5 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Be able to tell you tomorrow. I'll be there, Heather, 6 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: so it'll be quite interesting to see. 7 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: So when did you decide to join the hecoy. 8 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, which I'm going to talk about fairly shortly. 9 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: But look, there is a concern and I've talked to 10 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: a number around Parliament and those that are positions of 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: power that they are concerned that such a large crowd 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: will be out in the front of Parliament and maybe 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: security being breached at the building itself. But the police 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: Minister Mark Mitchell here is putting on a brave face 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: in the face of that concern when he spoke to 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: reporters this afternoon. 17 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: I haven't seen any intelligence on that and there's certainly 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: be no indications of that by the hack we. I 19 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: think expectations have been very clear around that the police 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: have got the ability to be able to act a 21 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: move if there was any indication that they were choosing 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: to move into an unlawful occupation of Parliament. Crowns the 23 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: government will have a plan and toe of how the 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: hickere has received in the communications, in the contact. But 25 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 3: there will be, without a doubt, there will be content 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: and there will be conversations, but those plans, I'm not 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: the one to speak to those plans. 28 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: See interesting that because I just wonder now, is Chris Hopkins, 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, Chris Sipkins. I'll talk about him. He'll be 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: on the Equoy, which he says he'll be joining. But 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: whether Chris Luxen, He's given indications he may talk to them, 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: but will he David Seymour, while he seems to have 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: softened his position on that and now says that they 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: don't seem interested in talking to him, so why should 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: he bother? Goodness only knows what the Greens will do, 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: But my bet is they'll probably be having a walk 37 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it? 38 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: That how they're going to be met at Parliament? 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen very quickly, who is getting worked up about 40 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: the possibility of Parliament being breached? Because all I'm seeing 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: thus far is that these guys are doing this piece. 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: For that absolutely, and there is concern. But there's concern 43 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: now I think because of the number of gang members 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: that are expected to be there because two days after this, 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: on Thursday, gang patches will be outlawed, so you can 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: imagine the gangs will be out in force showing off 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: their patches again. Mitchell wasn't too concerned about the Hekhoi 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: being hijacked, just as the COVID protest most certainly was 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: when it came to a fiery end. The Minister says 50 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: there's nothing to stop gangs from taking part in the 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Hecoy though. 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: We're an open, free democracy where we must preserve the 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: right to peaceful protests. If they want to get in protest, 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: that's absolutely there right Enjoy. We're in the patch within 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: its four days, like you said, because when the laws 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: are enacted and come into force in it'll be illegal 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: to wear those patchurees anymore. It will be illegal to 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: try and intimidate the communities that these king members operating. 59 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: So they'll have their last outing with their patches tomorrow. 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, do you see how this has gone viral? 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: That's hacker. Oh it's absolutely nuts. 62 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: I read I know, I heard you mentioning the millions. 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: I read shown James's column in the Herald this morning. 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: He says, the Mara Party is hal ben and I 65 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: think you of this view as well head on creating 66 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: parliamentary disorder to boost their own membership totally. I think 67 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: he's probably right there. He said performing the Harker was 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: akin to playing the pied pie Pi, and the lemmings 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: from the Green Party and Labor followed accordingly. The international 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: image certainly has turned New Zealand into something of a 71 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: laughing stock around the world. American commentator Matt Walsh, who's 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: followed by millions in his country, took the merciless proverbial 73 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: out of New Zealand and a piece he did for 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: featuring the Hakker. Here's the mild edited version of what 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: Walsh's take was on The Treaty of White. 76 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: Tuckey established tribunals and led to a lot of rulemaking 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: by judge, but Parliament mostly stayed out of it. Now 78 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 4: with this new bill, David Seymour is trying to change that. 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: He's proposing concrete legislation that will clarify that everybody in 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: the country in New Zealand, whether they are Maori or not, 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: is entitled to the full protection of the law. The 82 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: moment you suggest withdrawing some of these privileges, or even 83 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: just like expanding it so that everybody benefits. They revolt, 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: turn your entire government into an international laughing stock. 85 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: See, and that's the view being held by many, I 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: think around the world. But the thing that you asked 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: me at the beginning, will I be on the equali 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm really upset by some members of the media that 89 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: have actually turned out on the equality and Look. I 90 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: know mihir Rangi Forbes, and she's a really nice woman 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: and I really enjoy her company when I see her. 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: But I don't think she should be on the hequaliys. 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: She's a front say show for Read in New Zealand 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: on Saturday mornings, and she's got another podcast podcast that 95 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: New Zealand contributes about a million dollars on ear to, 96 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: So I don't think she should be there. Of course, 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: She followed on from TV and z's chief content officer, 98 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: Nevak Rogers. 99 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: Who's going to be the editorial? 100 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: You know they shouldn't be. I'm sorry. I'm an old 101 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: media hand and if you want to be impartial, you 102 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: should be shown to be impartial, even though you may 103 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 2: ye look hold strong views. 104 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though. Nobody's going to be upset if 105 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: the spinoff turns up right because they wear their left 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: wing I don't want to say bias their left wing 107 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: perspective on their sleeves, but Aaron Z and TV and 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Z pretend to be down the middle right. And if 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: you're going to take taxpayer money and pretend to be 110 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: down the middle, you have to be down the middle. 111 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: You can't go on an anti government protest. 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: That's right, and I don't think there's any real place 113 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: for the media on anti government protests anyway, whether you like. 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: It or not. 115 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the Springbok tour is a good example. I 116 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: would have loved to have been on that protest against 117 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: part Aid, but I didn't. I covered it, but that 118 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: was about all it was. 119 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and appropriate. 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