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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International realty, local and

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Speaker 2: Right on the huddle with this Seven've got Jack Dame,

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Speaker 2: host of Q and A and Saturday Morning is David

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Speaker 2: Farracuria Pulsa and here we blog it as a hello

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Speaker 2: you two. Okay, David, what's the problem with lux and

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Speaker 2: why to fifty one percent of us think that he's

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Speaker 2: out of touch?

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Speaker 3: The nature of that question, and it's a very interesting

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Speaker 3: one because it's asked all around the world because one

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Speaker 3: of the things in polling and politics is you you

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Speaker 3: always want to patrol to portray the other side is

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Speaker 3: our touch, and it tends to get people green unless

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Speaker 3: you're quite exceptional, because look, the average person never thinks

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Speaker 3: the prime minister or ministers are particularly in touch. So

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Speaker 3: the nature of the question, have you asked there about

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Speaker 3: other party leaders? You probably get similar results. On top

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Speaker 3: of that, though it is partly a wealth thing, as

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Speaker 3: partly e saying, yo, does this person understand what it's

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Speaker 3: like to be poor, etc. So when you get that

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Speaker 3: combination that you're an incumbent and you're wealthy, you tend

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Speaker 3: not to do on that but to put it in context, though,

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Speaker 3: Luxn's overall favorability is around my latest poll plus four.

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Speaker 3: Now you can look at them and say that's not

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Speaker 3: great plus four. You know, he had just Sender John

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Speaker 3: Key at plus twoty plus forty. But Lock around the

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Speaker 3: World Alvines is minus twenty. Kea Starmer's at minus thirty.

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Speaker 3: By them, well he's dead.

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Speaker 2: I think you are giving me the worst examples though,

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Speaker 2: David Barah, don't try and play that trick with me.

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Speaker 3: Most incumbents are actually unpopular. So when you're at plus

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Speaker 3: five y, yeah, that's not too bad.

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Speaker 2: But why is he not doing as well as jk Helen,

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Speaker 2: just Sinda, et cetera, Jake.

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Speaker 3: Ky and just Sinder will once and a generation politicians

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Speaker 3: in terms of their tonet.

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Speaker 4: Well are spoiled.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Look you look at Australia.

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Speaker 3: Remember they many of their elections were contests between two

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Speaker 3: politicians at minus twenty and when English went up against Jacinda,

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Speaker 3: they were both at round plus forty. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we realize how.

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Speaker 4: Rare that is.

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Speaker 3: That's a really popular choice.

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Speaker 2: Jack, What do you reckon?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you guys have covered it off. I've

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Speaker 5: just said a couple of things. I think we forget

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Speaker 5: that he's actually pretty new to politics and he's been

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Speaker 5: out of New Zealand for a long time, so it's

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Speaker 5: been overseas for a while. And I'm not saying he

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Speaker 5: doesn't understand New Zealand, but I think there's some like

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Speaker 5: context your stuff that you always benefit from if you've

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Speaker 5: been here for a longer period recently. I also think

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Speaker 5: having not been in politics as long as as both

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Speaker 5: John Key and Jacinda are doing before they became Prime Minister,

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Speaker 5: and Bil English as well, maybe his political instincts aren't

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Speaker 5: quite as well honed yet as some of his predecessors.

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Speaker 5: And one last thing I'd add is just like on

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Speaker 5: the communication front, as you both mentioned, John Key and

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Speaker 5: Sindra a Dern were just extraordinarily talented, talented communicators in

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Speaker 5: their own in their own ways, quite quite different ways,

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Speaker 5: and I just think it's incredibly hard act to follow.

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Speaker 5: When you're in that role as Prime minister, everyone expects

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Speaker 5: you to have, you know, absolutely perfect communication skills. I

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Speaker 5: don't think Christoph Lux is a bad communicator, but he's

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Speaker 5: not able to kind of be nearly as natural and

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Speaker 4: John Key's worth. What a couple hundred millondollars? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: True, Okay, guys, we'll take a break, come back, very short.

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Speaker 1: Letter the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate

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Speaker 1: the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tory Farner has just put out a statement. I

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Speaker 2: can immediately see that they're in trouble. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: run you through that before the end of this half hour.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you're back with a huddle, Jack, tam and

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Speaker 2: David Baras. Speaking of which, Jack, do you think that

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Speaker 2: this meets a threshold? Do you think that they have

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Speaker 2: done enough in this meeting to be able to stop

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Speaker 5: Well, it absolutely depends on the plan that she's can

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Speaker 5: be presenting to the Minister and whether or not there's

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Speaker 5: a feasible way they're going to be able to pass

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Speaker 5: this long term plan.

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Speaker 2: So the plan is this, Jack, The plan is that

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Speaker 2: they've agreed to cuts off roughly between three to five

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Speaker 2: Is that enough?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be enough by itself

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Speaker 5: to stop the minister from intervening. But I also think

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Speaker 5: I know that this minister is very very enthusiastic about

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Speaker 5: maintaining community level democracy. We all remember that he restored

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Speaker 5: with that ethos despite the very obvious problems they have

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Speaker 5: in Wellington, I don't think that will necessarily be the

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Speaker 5: death knell like that, they may still have an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Remember, a Crown monitor does not remove the democracy, so

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Speaker 2: that's not he can.

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Speaker 4: It's not a commissioner.

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Speaker 5: No, no, it's like the first step, right yeah, and

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Speaker 5: and and they may he may well consider that it

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Speaker 5: meets that threat, meets that threshold. I certainly don't think

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Speaker 5: it meets meets the commissioner threshold just yet. But if

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Speaker 5: they can't agree on these cuts and where these cuts

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Speaker 5: need to be, and can't therefore pass a long term plan,

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Speaker 5: well clearly that you know, that makes things a whole

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Speaker 4: Than they already are, and they're already pretty bad.

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Speaker 2: David, I don't think this saves a day like to

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Speaker 2: a one and a half hour crisis meeting on a

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Speaker 2: Wednesday ahead of a meeting with the minister on a

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Speaker 2: Thursday just smacks of desperation, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: There's a band aid, but having said that, the government

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Speaker 3: shouldn't intervene in my view, both on principal and politics,

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Speaker 3: the principal cases that the threshold should be very high.

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Speaker 3: They didn't intervene when Tim Shedbot was obviously dementing that.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to actually be failing, like e Ken,

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Speaker 3: we're at you're statutory levels.

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Speaker 4: There's elections a year.

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Speaker 3: So the principal case isn't there for intervention just because

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Speaker 3: their muppets doesn't actually mean with their muppets we voted for.

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Speaker 4: But the political case is stronger.

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Speaker 3: Why would you want to and to and have Wellington's

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Speaker 3: problems become central government?

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Speaker 2: This is a very you make a very good point, David,

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Speaker 2: and I thought about this and I reckon, I've got

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Speaker 2: the answer for you. Right, you put a Crown monitor

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Speaker 2: in there who just basically holds their hands so it

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Speaker 2: looks like you're doing something when you're not actually doing

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Speaker 2: all that much and you're not taking on their problems.

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Speaker 2: But what it also does then it helps your local

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Speaker 2: Wellington based MP who frankly can't win a seat and

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Speaker 2: need some assistance being Nicola Willis, so she gets some

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Speaker 2: credit for the fact that she has actually taken this

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Speaker 3: You see what I mean, Here's what's more important than

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Speaker 3: Nicola winning Ohario.

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Speaker 4: If you're national's winning your next election. He's what I

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Speaker 4: would do.

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Speaker 3: I'd tell the whole country want to know a Labor

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Speaker 3: I mean, this.

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Speaker 2: Is actually a fair point, isn't it. Jack. If you

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Speaker 2: just let Tory carry on down the path that she's

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Speaker 2: going down, you basically just write the advertisement for what

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Speaker 4: Well, I think from a strategic perspective.

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Speaker 5: I think from a strategic perspective, David's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 5: The thing is, though, I mean, like Tory has to

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Speaker 5: your point, has has arguably been let down by people

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Speaker 2: But this also made me excuses for Toy.

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Speaker 4: No I know I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying I think I think Toy has been let

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Speaker 5: I think there's an argument to be made that she

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Speaker 2: Also without that she's doing a fine job of letting

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Speaker 4: I also well, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, you know, she was the one seeking to compromise

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Speaker 5: it was it was people on the left of her

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Speaker 2: It's not problem, that's not the that is not.

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Speaker 4: The I'm not saying it's good. I'm not Look, I'm

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Speaker 4: really not the at all.

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Speaker 5: I'm not defending the council at all. I think it

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Speaker 5: also speaks to people like completely misunderstanding the dynamics and

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Speaker 4: They are entirely different beasts.

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Speaker 5: Running them is entirely different, and I think local council

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Speaker 4: And actually, you know, there's a good argument to be said.

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Speaker 5: That actually, before you become here, maybe getting a bit

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Speaker 5: more experienced in local government would be a valuable thing

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Speaker 5: because you can realize the importance of consensus and.

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Speaker 4: When you look at consensus.

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Speaker 5: When you look at consensus, I think it's very hard

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Speaker 5: to go past how Wayne Brown has performed and surprised

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Speaker 5: a lot of people in building consensus on.

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Speaker 4: Both sides of the political aisle. Wayne has been appear

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Speaker 4: all from New Wellington right now and there you go.

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Speaker 2: There you go vote for the old guys. Hey, what

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Speaker 2: happened to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: David?

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Speaker 2: What was up with that?

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Speaker 4: This is what we him.

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Speaker 3: It is more benign where he just decides to stop talking.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing, any other Pool petitian who did that,

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Speaker 3: you'd be calling the ambulance up to say, psychechick, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 3: But what this is like totally in character, probably some

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Speaker 3: of the least concerning stuff he could do. And that

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Speaker 3: is sort of why they like him too, Like, look,

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Speaker 3: he's crazy, but that's a fun crazy where he's so

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Speaker 3: unconventional people like we were talking but before about laxing

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Speaker 3: people who support Trump, and I don't like him because

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Speaker 3: he's himself. He does this authentic nutty stuff which any

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Speaker 3: professional press secretary would not be saying, Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: a good idea. Just stop talking and dance.

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Speaker 2: For guys, listen, I really appreciate talking to the bar

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Speaker 2: of you. Thank you so much, Jack. I'm David Parrison.

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