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Speaker 1: So the PM yesterday and is post scabs signaling the IRGC,

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Speaker 1: that's the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Could they're the really

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Speaker 1: bad ones? Could soon be officially listed as a terrorist

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Speaker 1: organization here in.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand for New Zealand to designate the IIGC as

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Speaker 2: a terrorist entiteent, will you do that again? That has

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Speaker 2: been a process, as you know, around terrorism designation that

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Speaker 2: we have separately from this event. But suffice to say

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Speaker 2: that I think we'll have our decision on that very shortly.

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Speaker 1: The Aussies have already done it. They've also expelled their

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Speaker 1: Iranian ambassador, Phil GoF, former Foreign Affairs Minister with US

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Speaker 1: and Minister of Defense. Good morning Phil, Yes, good morning. Right?

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Speaker 1: Does it really matter if we do that at this

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Speaker 1: point it.

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Speaker 3: Looks like it's totally opportunistic to do it now. If

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Speaker 3: you're going to do it, you should have done it

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Speaker 3: much earlier. But you've also got to be consistent. So

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Speaker 3: we decide that Iran, which has an awful regime, we're

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Speaker 3: not going to have diplomatic relations with it, or we're

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Speaker 3: going to prescribe their military. What about Russia? Russia invaded Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: It's killed hundreds of thousands of people. Why do we

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Speaker 3: treat Rahan different from another oppressive regime or North Korea.

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Speaker 3: You need to be consistent in your foreign policy and

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Speaker 3: you need to follow the rule of law. Really, Luxant

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Speaker 3: six and seven's over that that's obvious from his performances.

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Speaker 3: He knows that the action by Trump and Israel was illegal,

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Speaker 3: but he just can't find the words to say that

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Speaker 3: and say, well, we don't care about the rule of

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Speaker 3: international law anymore.

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Speaker 1: But no one can look at Starma. Yeah, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: you know what we're going to when you're enough. You've

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Speaker 1: got to be careful, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world where we have a predictable

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Speaker 3: leader in the United States, the United States, the very

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Speaker 3: country that's set up the rule of law in the

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Speaker 3: United Nations with other countries, and we're too scared to

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Speaker 3: say anything that might offend them. Therefore, we've effectively abandoned

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Speaker 3: our sovereignty. We're not prepared to say what we think,

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Speaker 3: to speak the truth and to do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: We've been here before with the run. What do you see?

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Speaker 1: What's the endgame here? What's going to happen? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Well? Trump has talked about it being regime change, and

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Speaker 3: he's encouraging people to rise up, but then he's saying

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Speaker 3: he's not going to put boots on the ground. And

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Speaker 3: we've seen that story before. So you encourage people to

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Speaker 3: rise up, they don't have the guns, they get slaughtered,

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Speaker 3: and the United States stands back and doesn't do anything

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Speaker 3: because it's not going to put boots on the ground.

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Speaker 3: You don't advise people to do something that results in

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Speaker 3: them being slaughtered unless you're prepared to back them up,

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Speaker 3: and they're not prepared to do that. It's really, you know,

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Speaker 3: human rights don't matter that much to Trump. When he

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Speaker 3: changed the leadership in Venezuela, he didn't change the regime.

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