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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talk said by Squeaky door or Squeaky floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter wolf Camp, the Resident

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Speaker 1: Builder on us talk.

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Speaker 2: Seat by the house Sizzoro, even when it's.

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Speaker 3: Dark, even when the grass is overgrown.

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Speaker 2: In the yard, and even when the dog is too

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Speaker 2: old to barn, and when you're sitting at the table

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Speaker 2: trying not to stop scissor hole, even when we are banne,

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Speaker 2: even when you're therellone house sizzle hole, even when those goes,

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Speaker 2: even when you go around from the ones you love,

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Speaker 2: your moms.

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Speaker 4: Screams, broken pans.

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Speaker 5: Being in fund.

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Speaker 3: Locals vesper when they're gone, leaving them, even when wilbra Ben,

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Speaker 3: even when you're in airlone.

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Speaker 4: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the show.

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Speaker 4: My name is Pick wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and

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Speaker 4: this is the Resident Builder on Sunday, an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: talk all things building and construction. Anything that you might

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Speaker 4: have sort of encountered during the week, a dilemma, a dispute,

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Speaker 4: an insight perhaps that you'd like to generate, if you'd

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Speaker 4: like to talk about building and construction, Well, this is

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Speaker 4: exactly the right place to be. Let's put some CRC

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Speaker 4: on that to microphone stand rdio. Look, I have to say, folks,

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Speaker 4: it's been a week of fixing stuff ups and well,

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Speaker 4: actually one small success which I can share with you

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Speaker 4: a little bit later on. But after a couple of

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Speaker 4: which I alluded to I think at the end of

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Speaker 4: the person that might have put those fence posts in

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Speaker 4: however many years ago, and we're probably talking somewhere around

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Speaker 4: forty years ago, maybe I have too high an expectation

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Speaker 4: of how long a fence should last. But anyway, the

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Speaker 4: three fence posts that had literally just rotted at the connection,

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Speaker 4: let's say, at the point where the post goes into

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Speaker 4: the concrete into the ground. And as I had plenty

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Speaker 4: of time, myself actually and my son had plenty of

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Speaker 4: time to contemplate these things. After a couple of hours

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Speaker 4: with a spade of sort of fosking around the edge

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Speaker 4: trying to wiggle out what looked like an old rotten

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Speaker 4: tooth out of the remaining piece of concrete before eventually

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Speaker 4: getting it all out, cleaning the hole out, and being

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Speaker 4: able to put new concrete in. And the one thing

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Speaker 4: the concrete sloped away from the post rather than effectively

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Speaker 4: there at the bottom of the post. Hence three posts

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Speaker 4: had kind of rotted through to the point where the

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Speaker 4: on an awkward lean. Anyway. That was Monday, Tuesday, sort

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Speaker 4: you never will text messages these days you never really

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Speaker 4: want to get. There's no dom dum, dum dum. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So I trust that you've had a slightly more progressive

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Speaker 4: But then the nature of owning property, the nature of

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Speaker 4: times it's just well, if it hadn't been done better

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Speaker 4: in the first place, I wouldn't be here with my

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Speaker 4: favorite spade digging away on a Monday morning RDIO. Welcome

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Speaker 4: along to the show. My name's Pete wolf Camp. This

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Speaker 4: is an opportunity for you to talk about building, to

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Speaker 4: very excited about this. To be fair, Ben Thompson is

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Speaker 4: stage in the future and we'll invite you callers listeners

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Speaker 4: o'clock and we will run through your questions, still playing

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Speaker 4: that depressing song to start the show. Hey, after the

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Speaker 4: week that I've had, absolutely houses are home, no matter

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Speaker 4: find a trades person to come and fix it? Well,

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Speaker 4: see that's where relationships matter. I'll tell you all about

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Speaker 4: my mate Phil a bit later on Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. Welcome along, Good to have your company

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Speaker 4: this morning. Thirteenth of July. Let's get amongst it. Eight

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Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Tom

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Speaker 4: are very good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Peter pleasure taking my call. First off, Sarah,

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Speaker 6: I like to say that I really enjoy your show.

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Speaker 6: I think it's surry and lightning.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 6: My question are mate. I've just bought a two bedroom

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Speaker 6: brick and toole unit.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 6: And I've got a build a report. The guy said

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Speaker 6: to clear a few wheepholes in the bricks.

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Speaker 4: Great good.

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Speaker 6: And there's no damp course under the house in the

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Speaker 6: is it may sound a bit simple, but I assume

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Speaker 6: I have to when I clear the wheepholes, I've got

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Speaker 6: to go right through to create airflow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So when the the weepholes that the building inspector

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Speaker 4: the little vertical purpose what we call purpse or penetrations

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the bottom course or the sorry, the first course effective.

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Speaker 8: But I'll go around and do and create the whole lot.

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Speaker 4: So when they've how have they come clogged or were

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, it's the how the little unit's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I tell you what a nice simple way

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Speaker 4: masonry bit like about an eight mil one into a

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Speaker 4: all of that mortar up that way, and then with

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Speaker 4: If you happen to have like a wet and dry

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Speaker 4: No true. And in terms of the vapor barrier, it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I could almost stand up in the

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, I mean yeah. See, I've always excuse me,

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Speaker 4: I've always had the opinion that over a certain height, right,

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Speaker 4: in that volume, you've probably got a reasonable amount of

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Speaker 4: air flow, right, that will move that still are around.

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Speaker 4: But so the foundation for your place, if it's a

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Speaker 4: And then it's got those little square grills, those concrete

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Speaker 4: where your airflow is coming from. Okay, you want to

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Speaker 4: make sure that they're cleaned out as well. But look

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Speaker 4: there's no harm to doing vapor barrier. So if you

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Speaker 4: want to make it a bit. Is the underfloor insulated.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it is great. Yes, Okay, Look.

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Speaker 4: I think making sure that you've got good airflow in

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Speaker 4: pre purchase inspector packing up on those things. That's really useful.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you very much for trouble Tom. You

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Speaker 4: take care. Actually, just on that I was reading it

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Speaker 4: whether there were any weather tightness issues with it. In

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Speaker 4: the judgment, quoting just from memory, the judge said that

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Speaker 4: were aware that the building did leak or did have

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Speaker 4: owner of this Lekua five hundred thousand dollars. But I'm

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Speaker 4: new owner of the property, which is sensible, that's them

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Speaker 4: doing their due diligence. But the report had come back

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Speaker 4: there's nothing, there's no concerns here, So they had obviously

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Speaker 4: sued the pre purchase inspector as well, or their company

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Speaker 4: win on their part. And I'd be interesting to know

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Speaker 4: whether or not they went to their insurer and was

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Speaker 4: able to get funds from there insurer. For the report

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Speaker 4: to be fair, just looking at the photographs, you'd look

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Speaker 4: at it and go you'd have to be super cautious

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Speaker 4: about that building, you know, if you saw that, you

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Speaker 4: want to talk about those sorts of things. We can

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Speaker 4: do that as well on the show. Right now, the

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Speaker 4: lines are open and the number is eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty. You can text as well nine to nine

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Speaker 4: two which is EDBZB from your mobile phone, and if

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Speaker 4: you'd like to email me you are more than welcome.

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Speaker 4: It's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz so p

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Speaker 4: e t E at newstalksib dot co dot Z coming

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Speaker 4: up nineteen minutes after six. If you've got a question,

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Speaker 5: Good morning Peter. Look, I've got aluminium windows that I'm

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Speaker 5: one of the strip magnets came off, yeah, is it?

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Speaker 4: News Talk said, be fascinating text, Morning Pete. How much

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Speaker 4: sized trailer, unscrewed it all, laid it on the trailer,

433
00:26:16,415 --> 00:26:18,895
Speaker 4: drove round to the corners of the job, and just

434
00:26:18,975 --> 00:26:23,295
Speaker 4: carried the panels, essentially five panels up there. I guess

435
00:26:23,295 --> 00:26:25,935
Speaker 4: the question is more that you know you wouldn't want

436
00:26:25,935 --> 00:26:29,135
Speaker 4: to be doing it outside of ours and would you

437
00:26:29,175 --> 00:26:31,775
Speaker 4: want to be doing it all of the time? Probably not,

438
00:26:32,175 --> 00:26:37,335
Speaker 4: But look I was in the shed not yesterday. Actually,

439
00:26:37,415 --> 00:26:39,175
Speaker 4: will I be in the shed today making stuff?

440
00:26:39,255 --> 00:26:39,455
Speaker 9: Yeah?

441
00:26:39,455 --> 00:26:43,175
Speaker 4: I probably will later on this afternoon. Got a little

442
00:26:43,255 --> 00:26:45,575
Speaker 4: job that I want to get finished. I think it's

443
00:26:45,575 --> 00:26:48,055
Speaker 4: a courtesy thing, isn't it. I wight one hundred eighty

444
00:26:48,135 --> 00:26:51,975
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call Colin. Good morning

445
00:26:51,975 --> 00:26:56,255
Speaker 4: to you, Good morning tea. How very nice to talk

446
00:26:56,295 --> 00:26:59,015
Speaker 4: to you, Colin. How are you good?

447
00:26:59,015 --> 00:26:59,215
Speaker 5: Peter?

448
00:26:59,415 --> 00:27:01,455
Speaker 8: I bang patre out my roost.

449
00:27:02,055 --> 00:27:02,215
Speaker 4: Yes.

450
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:09,775
Speaker 10: And I'm just wondering roughly if I when I do

451
00:27:10,015 --> 00:27:16,815
Speaker 10: the inulation, roughly, what would what would that costs? Say,

452
00:27:16,855 --> 00:27:19,175
Speaker 10: if you want to put new bets for item?

453
00:27:20,455 --> 00:27:23,215
Speaker 4: It depends well, it depends on so many things that

454
00:27:23,335 --> 00:27:26,455
Speaker 4: it's actually really really difficult to give you a generic

455
00:27:26,815 --> 00:27:31,375
Speaker 4: fray or costs. So when you say I want to

456
00:27:31,375 --> 00:27:33,735
Speaker 4: put insulation, and are you putting it into the ceiling,

457
00:27:33,935 --> 00:27:37,495
Speaker 4: into the subfloor, into the exterior walls.

458
00:27:38,255 --> 00:27:42,815
Speaker 10: It's just it's just into the ceilings teeter yep.

459
00:27:44,735 --> 00:27:48,095
Speaker 4: And is there already insulation there or is it empty?

460
00:27:49,695 --> 00:27:56,215
Speaker 10: Well, it's got the original intulation there. Yes, this place

461
00:27:56,455 --> 00:28:01,015
Speaker 10: is what this place is built in the early seventies.

462
00:28:01,935 --> 00:28:05,375
Speaker 10: It's telling you two bit and place on you and

463
00:28:06,055 --> 00:28:09,495
Speaker 10: of you already had a heat punting neck putton. But

464
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,735
Speaker 10: I thought, after having the roof done, I've still got

465
00:28:12,855 --> 00:28:17,575
Speaker 10: to do my ceiling. Yeah, absolutely, I thought that, don't

466
00:28:18,255 --> 00:28:20,575
Speaker 10: don'ts and back to something just in the ceiling to

467
00:28:20,695 --> 00:28:21,735
Speaker 10: have the dentness and.

468
00:28:21,855 --> 00:28:24,895
Speaker 4: That, Yes, I think that's a really wise idea. Look,

469
00:28:26,335 --> 00:28:29,535
Speaker 4: you know, you're probably looking at somewhere around eighteen hundred

470
00:28:29,855 --> 00:28:32,535
Speaker 4: two thousand dollars, maybe a bit less if it's a

471
00:28:32,615 --> 00:28:35,575
Speaker 4: smaller place. So and the other way of looking at

472
00:28:35,615 --> 00:28:38,775
Speaker 4: it is somewhere between eighteen and about twenty five bucks

473
00:28:38,815 --> 00:28:41,455
Speaker 4: a square meter, and some of that will depend on

474
00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:45,295
Speaker 4: like they obviously, because you've already got insulation there. You

475
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:48,415
Speaker 4: can leave that insulation there and you can lay a

476
00:28:48,615 --> 00:28:53,295
Speaker 4: new layer of insulation. So ideally rolls of insulation, so

477
00:28:53,495 --> 00:28:55,975
Speaker 4: rather than individual pads, if you can go for rolls

478
00:28:56,495 --> 00:29:00,135
Speaker 4: and roll that out at ninety degrees to the direction

479
00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:03,975
Speaker 4: of your trusses so that it laps over the top

480
00:29:04,055 --> 00:29:06,015
Speaker 4: of what we call the bottom cord of the trust,

481
00:29:07,135 --> 00:29:10,215
Speaker 4: and that'll provide you with really really good insulation. Do

482
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:15,655
Speaker 4: you have down lights? What type of lighting do you

483
00:29:15,735 --> 00:29:16,375
Speaker 4: have in the ceiling?

484
00:29:18,135 --> 00:29:24,375
Speaker 10: There were some light pottin but just small ones that

485
00:29:24,615 --> 00:29:28,135
Speaker 10: were yeah, but just small.

486
00:29:27,935 --> 00:29:29,095
Speaker 8: Ones, Peter, Yeah.

487
00:29:30,135 --> 00:29:35,295
Speaker 10: Covers you can actually pull down so you can around

488
00:29:35,335 --> 00:29:37,575
Speaker 10: the thing to do the ceilings all right.

489
00:29:38,295 --> 00:29:40,935
Speaker 4: The reason I ask is that you know, particularly houses

490
00:29:41,775 --> 00:29:45,255
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties ninety nineties, we went through and blasted on

491
00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:47,455
Speaker 4: hundred mile holes in the ceiling and popped in these

492
00:29:47,975 --> 00:29:52,175
Speaker 4: old fashioned incandescent fittings, right, So a conventional sort of

493
00:29:52,255 --> 00:29:55,535
Speaker 4: light bulb that we're familiar with and a fitting, and

494
00:29:55,655 --> 00:29:57,255
Speaker 4: then you had to make sure that there was a

495
00:29:57,335 --> 00:29:59,895
Speaker 4: gap around that, right, you couldn't bring the insulation up

496
00:29:59,935 --> 00:30:02,055
Speaker 4: to it. And what that did for most of our

497
00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:06,095
Speaker 4: ceilings is just provided little chimneys little vents for all

498
00:30:06,135 --> 00:30:08,535
Speaker 4: of the warmth of you've built up just to go through,

499
00:30:08,655 --> 00:30:13,935
Speaker 4: and it drops the performance of the ceiling insulation massively, right,

500
00:30:15,455 --> 00:30:18,975
Speaker 4: you know, fifteen to twenty percent less effective because we've

501
00:30:19,015 --> 00:30:22,815
Speaker 4: got those particular types of light. So I'm always encouraging

502
00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:25,775
Speaker 4: people if you're going to upgrade your ceiling insulation, look

503
00:30:25,815 --> 00:30:28,575
Speaker 4: at the type of light fittings. It's a great opportunity

504
00:30:28,655 --> 00:30:32,015
Speaker 4: to take out those old fashioned ones, put in some

505
00:30:32,415 --> 00:30:36,495
Speaker 4: LED fixtures and then if you get the right LED

506
00:30:36,735 --> 00:30:40,735
Speaker 4: light fixture, you can also then a butt or enclose

507
00:30:40,815 --> 00:30:43,095
Speaker 4: your insulation so you can bring the insulation right up

508
00:30:43,135 --> 00:30:45,255
Speaker 4: to the side of the fitting, or in some cases

509
00:30:45,295 --> 00:30:47,255
Speaker 4: you can actually bring the insulation up to it and

510
00:30:47,335 --> 00:30:50,455
Speaker 4: then another piece over the top. I always recommend putting

511
00:30:50,455 --> 00:30:54,255
Speaker 4: the driver for the LEDs up on top of the

512
00:30:54,295 --> 00:30:58,055
Speaker 4: insulation so it doesn't overheat. But you know, being able

513
00:30:58,135 --> 00:31:03,895
Speaker 4: to reduce the amount of heat loss through those penetrations

514
00:31:04,255 --> 00:31:07,175
Speaker 4: makes a big difference. So you know, to have a

515
00:31:07,215 --> 00:31:09,735
Speaker 4: look at the lighting that you've got and if you

516
00:31:09,895 --> 00:31:13,415
Speaker 4: can afford it, go through and change that as well.

517
00:31:14,375 --> 00:31:17,255
Speaker 4: It'd be worth doing. Colin so and look and the

518
00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:19,855
Speaker 4: other rule of thumb with tradespeople, if you're not familiar

519
00:31:19,895 --> 00:31:21,495
Speaker 4: with it, if you're not working with people that you know.

520
00:31:22,175 --> 00:31:26,415
Speaker 4: Is I think over three quotes and then don't be

521
00:31:26,575 --> 00:31:28,735
Speaker 4: like the person that I heard of years ago who

522
00:31:28,815 --> 00:31:31,575
Speaker 4: got I think eleven quotes for a building job. Right,

523
00:31:31,655 --> 00:31:34,575
Speaker 4: it was a you know, one hundred hundred and fifty

524
00:31:34,615 --> 00:31:37,415
Speaker 4: thousand dollars building job. They got eleven quotes. They took

525
00:31:37,495 --> 00:31:41,455
Speaker 4: the lowest quote and then wondered why it went wrong.

526
00:31:41,815 --> 00:31:44,375
Speaker 4: So don't be like that person. Colin, all the very best, you,

527
00:31:44,415 --> 00:31:45,935
Speaker 4: thank you very much for your call. O W eight

528
00:31:46,055 --> 00:31:48,935
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Call before the break.

529
00:31:48,975 --> 00:31:51,495
Speaker 4: We'll take this text if you'd like to call. Now's

530
00:31:51,495 --> 00:31:53,215
Speaker 4: a great time. We got some spare lines. Oh, eight

531
00:31:53,335 --> 00:31:56,095
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Hello, Pete. We're

532
00:31:56,135 --> 00:31:59,375
Speaker 4: buying a home with five years of a and then

533
00:31:59,415 --> 00:32:01,175
Speaker 4: it's a group home builder. I'll leave their name out

534
00:32:01,215 --> 00:32:05,575
Speaker 4: of it for a little bit. So five years of

535
00:32:05,815 --> 00:32:08,095
Speaker 4: a building guarantee to run on a ten year term.

536
00:32:08,335 --> 00:32:10,535
Speaker 4: Is there any formal process to go through to have

537
00:32:10,695 --> 00:32:14,615
Speaker 4: this guarantee transferred into our name? What if the current

538
00:32:14,735 --> 00:32:17,775
Speaker 4: owner never had the guarantee put into their name this

539
00:32:18,015 --> 00:32:22,295
Speaker 4: aspect is unclear. Thank you for your help. I would

540
00:32:22,335 --> 00:32:25,175
Speaker 4: suggest that you go back to and you obviously know

541
00:32:25,335 --> 00:32:27,775
Speaker 4: the name of the group home builder that built the house,

542
00:32:28,055 --> 00:32:34,215
Speaker 4: and follow it through from there. Some of these sort

543
00:32:34,255 --> 00:32:41,815
Speaker 4: of warranty insurance policies are not transferable, others are, but

544
00:32:42,615 --> 00:32:45,655
Speaker 4: there shouldn't be anything unclear about this. It's going to

545
00:32:45,735 --> 00:32:49,295
Speaker 4: be a yes or no. So I would suggest that

546
00:32:49,415 --> 00:32:52,575
Speaker 4: if you know if the house is basically must be

547
00:32:52,655 --> 00:32:54,455
Speaker 4: five years old, if it's five years into a ten

548
00:32:54,535 --> 00:32:58,775
Speaker 4: year term, then all of that paperwork will exist. And

549
00:32:59,215 --> 00:33:02,575
Speaker 4: I did see one the other day. It was attached

550
00:33:02,615 --> 00:33:07,615
Speaker 4: actually as a sale and purchase agreement that the essentially

551
00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:10,415
Speaker 4: the warranty form. So it was a ten year warranty

552
00:33:10,495 --> 00:33:13,655
Speaker 4: on the house that was over and above what you

553
00:33:13,775 --> 00:33:18,015
Speaker 4: get through statutory requirements so Consumer Guarantees Act, the Building Act,

554
00:33:18,095 --> 00:33:22,015
Speaker 4: and so on. This was a specific building warranty taken

555
00:33:22,095 --> 00:33:26,935
Speaker 4: out for that property and that was able to be transferred.

556
00:33:27,295 --> 00:33:31,655
Speaker 4: But my understanding is not always all of them are

557
00:33:32,415 --> 00:33:35,175
Speaker 4: able to be transferred. In a quick text as well

558
00:33:35,215 --> 00:33:37,295
Speaker 4: before the break. Hopefully that helps Julie. I'd just go

559
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:40,615
Speaker 4: back to the original builders, get them to give you

560
00:33:40,735 --> 00:33:45,015
Speaker 4: a straight answer about that, Pete, Are you legally allowed

561
00:33:45,095 --> 00:33:47,935
Speaker 4: to put an external PowerPoint on an exterior wall wired

562
00:33:48,015 --> 00:33:55,575
Speaker 4: into a PowerPoint inside yourself? I wouldn't I put it

563
00:33:55,655 --> 00:33:59,455
Speaker 4: that way. I wouldn't. I would get an electrician to

564
00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:02,935
Speaker 4: come and do that. I think that it's right on

565
00:34:03,055 --> 00:34:05,855
Speaker 4: the edge of what you might actually be permissible to do.

566
00:34:05,935 --> 00:34:11,415
Speaker 4: And I think even there used to be rules around

567
00:34:12,575 --> 00:34:15,295
Speaker 4: that you could do as a homeowner. You could do

568
00:34:15,375 --> 00:34:17,535
Speaker 4: a certain amount of electrical work. You couldn't go back

569
00:34:17,575 --> 00:34:21,735
Speaker 4: to the board. That's definitely still the case, but I

570
00:34:21,815 --> 00:34:24,695
Speaker 4: actually think that the scope of what you're allowed to

571
00:34:24,775 --> 00:34:29,015
Speaker 4: do has been reduced. So I would recommend in this instance,

572
00:34:29,055 --> 00:34:32,495
Speaker 4: particularly because you're dealing with exterior penetrations and so on,

573
00:34:33,175 --> 00:34:35,175
Speaker 4: I would get a registered electrician to.

574
00:34:35,255 --> 00:34:35,895
Speaker 8: Do that work.

575
00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:38,535
Speaker 4: It is coming up fourteen minutes away from seven room.

576
00:34:38,695 --> 00:34:40,535
Speaker 4: We've got news sport and we're the top of the

577
00:34:40,575 --> 00:34:43,495
Speaker 4: hour at seven. But we'll take your calls. We'll talk

578
00:34:43,535 --> 00:34:45,055
Speaker 4: to Glennis straight after.

579
00:34:44,895 --> 00:34:48,415
Speaker 1: The break doing other house sorting the garden asked Pete

580
00:34:48,455 --> 00:34:51,775
Speaker 1: for a hand's a resident builder with Peter Wolfcap Call

581
00:34:52,015 --> 00:34:53,455
Speaker 1: eighty eighty.

582
00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:56,335
Speaker 4: News talks'd be your news talks that'd be the lines

583
00:34:56,375 --> 00:34:58,175
Speaker 4: are open. The number to call, Oh, eight hundred and

584
00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:01,495
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is that number? Glennis? Hello there?

585
00:35:01,895 --> 00:35:02,695
Speaker 8: Oh, how are you so?

586
00:35:02,895 --> 00:35:04,655
Speaker 11: My voice is scoring a bit. The house is a

587
00:35:04,695 --> 00:35:05,375
Speaker 11: bit damp and.

588
00:35:05,415 --> 00:35:09,415
Speaker 4: Col right, which is exactly what we're hoping to solve

589
00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:10,935
Speaker 4: the home standard, isn't it.

590
00:35:11,255 --> 00:35:14,775
Speaker 11: I'm actually coughing up everything just about like respiratory.

591
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:15,015
Speaker 12: You know.

592
00:35:15,695 --> 00:35:15,855
Speaker 13: Now.

593
00:35:16,295 --> 00:35:20,175
Speaker 11: The ceiling they put in was fluff, installed in the

594
00:35:20,255 --> 00:35:24,295
Speaker 11: first of January two thousand and nine and inspected in

595
00:35:24,415 --> 00:35:28,175
Speaker 11: twenty and twenty. Now that's fifteen years, isn't it. From

596
00:35:28,255 --> 00:35:30,935
Speaker 11: the first to January to the sixteenth to January two

597
00:35:30,975 --> 00:35:33,935
Speaker 11: thousand and the thickness is two point nine Is that

598
00:35:34,095 --> 00:35:34,615
Speaker 11: sick enough?

599
00:35:34,735 --> 00:35:35,015
Speaker 6: Pete?

600
00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:39,015
Speaker 4: I think we're aiming for about the way in which

601
00:35:39,215 --> 00:35:43,775
Speaker 4: the Healthy Homes Legislation describes it as you need about

602
00:35:43,815 --> 00:35:46,575
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty millimeters of thickness, right.

603
00:35:46,975 --> 00:35:49,495
Speaker 11: Ah, So they've made the big mistake. And then the

604
00:35:49,615 --> 00:35:54,255
Speaker 11: floor is polyest nylons. That's one point three.

605
00:35:55,615 --> 00:35:56,735
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well.

606
00:35:56,815 --> 00:35:57,335
Speaker 12: On the floor.

607
00:35:57,415 --> 00:35:59,775
Speaker 11: But the ceiling, I think is because there's not enough

608
00:35:59,855 --> 00:36:03,335
Speaker 11: thickness up there. Because when they put when they put

609
00:36:03,375 --> 00:36:05,055
Speaker 11: it in, I think they just blew it in like

610
00:36:05,335 --> 00:36:08,535
Speaker 11: balls of cotton ball, you know, do not? So basically

611
00:36:08,655 --> 00:36:11,295
Speaker 11: what what's what in my eyes before I go? Is

612
00:36:11,695 --> 00:36:17,295
Speaker 11: another thickness on top or underneath? What's up there already? Maybe?

613
00:36:19,015 --> 00:36:24,175
Speaker 4: Certainly it's it's quite common to you know, add insulation

614
00:36:24,335 --> 00:36:28,695
Speaker 4: where old insulation has essentially it's compressed, right, and it

615
00:36:28,815 --> 00:36:32,095
Speaker 4: happens with pad type insulation. It certainly happens with some

616
00:36:32,255 --> 00:36:38,135
Speaker 4: of the blowing in insulation. So over time they compress

617
00:36:38,695 --> 00:36:39,375
Speaker 4: and offer.

618
00:36:39,375 --> 00:36:41,735
Speaker 11: It's a long time fifteen years, isn't it, from the

619
00:36:41,815 --> 00:36:45,135
Speaker 11: first to January to to inspect it on the sixteenth

620
00:36:45,215 --> 00:36:46,815
Speaker 11: of January twenty twenty.

621
00:36:48,615 --> 00:36:52,375
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, look, you know, insulation's fairly well true. True,

622
00:36:52,375 --> 00:36:53,455
Speaker 4: it's dormant, right, I have.

623
00:36:53,535 --> 00:36:55,495
Speaker 11: A case or anything about the household?

624
00:36:55,535 --> 00:36:55,735
Speaker 2: Do I?

625
00:36:56,495 --> 00:36:56,615
Speaker 13: Well?

626
00:36:56,815 --> 00:37:00,215
Speaker 4: I think first you'd have to like if you could

627
00:37:00,215 --> 00:37:02,895
Speaker 4: get someone either you could go up or you get someone.

628
00:37:02,735 --> 00:37:03,455
Speaker 10: To go up.

629
00:37:03,495 --> 00:37:05,735
Speaker 11: I'm not allowed to go up. But it's a housing corporate.

630
00:37:05,895 --> 00:37:09,815
Speaker 4: Oh in that case, you know housing Actually I saw

631
00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:14,855
Speaker 4: or kind of order said that ninety eight point five

632
00:37:14,975 --> 00:37:18,495
Speaker 4: percent of their properties now comply with the Healthy Homes legislation,

633
00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:22,935
Speaker 4: So yours should comply. I think what we're starting to

634
00:37:23,335 --> 00:37:25,855
Speaker 4: You know now that this has been a discussion for

635
00:37:26,815 --> 00:37:29,575
Speaker 4: six or seven years, right, so from the introduction of

636
00:37:29,615 --> 00:37:33,215
Speaker 4: the legislation through to now where as of the first

637
00:37:33,255 --> 00:37:36,615
Speaker 4: of July, so you know, thirteen days ago, there are

638
00:37:36,735 --> 00:37:41,215
Speaker 4: no more excuses. If you've got a residential tendancy and

639
00:37:41,495 --> 00:37:43,415
Speaker 4: you're the owner of it or the landlord or the

640
00:37:43,455 --> 00:37:48,175
Speaker 4: property manager of it, they must comply. There's no more exemptions,

641
00:37:48,215 --> 00:37:51,415
Speaker 4: there's no more basically excuses, right So, I think what

642
00:37:51,535 --> 00:37:54,135
Speaker 4: we're starting to find is that lots and lots of

643
00:37:54,135 --> 00:37:58,095
Speaker 4: people are looking critically at their rental properties, going well, look,

644
00:37:58,175 --> 00:38:01,935
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the report is true and an

645
00:38:02,015 --> 00:38:06,535
Speaker 4: honest reflection of the condition of the building, or my

646
00:38:06,695 --> 00:38:10,495
Speaker 4: landlord has delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed, and now there is

647
00:38:10,615 --> 00:38:15,695
Speaker 4: no more time. Right So, but in terms for your property,

648
00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:21,375
Speaker 4: the requirement is because not everyone knows exactly what type

649
00:38:21,375 --> 00:38:22,535
Speaker 4: of insulation when in there.

650
00:38:22,615 --> 00:38:22,735
Speaker 7: Right.

651
00:38:23,095 --> 00:38:25,895
Speaker 4: So, the current practice, and it's a really good one,

652
00:38:26,055 --> 00:38:29,735
Speaker 4: is that the insulation installers will literally cut the label

653
00:38:29,975 --> 00:38:32,975
Speaker 4: off the bag of insulation and they'll staple that to

654
00:38:33,095 --> 00:38:35,455
Speaker 4: the rafters or to the joists, right, And it's and

655
00:38:35,695 --> 00:38:38,735
Speaker 4: typically around the access hatch. That's a really good practice,

656
00:38:39,215 --> 00:38:41,455
Speaker 4: so that you could open the hatch, pop your head

657
00:38:41,495 --> 00:38:45,175
Speaker 4: in there, look for the label from the product. It's

658
00:38:45,255 --> 00:38:47,135
Speaker 4: staple to the rafter. It's right there, and you go,

659
00:38:47,295 --> 00:38:50,335
Speaker 4: oh great, they've put in two point nine or three

660
00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,495
Speaker 4: point six or four point two whatever it's going to be.

661
00:38:53,935 --> 00:38:57,655
Speaker 4: But if it's older insulation, what the requirement is is

662
00:38:57,735 --> 00:39:00,295
Speaker 4: that if it's one hundred and twenty mili thick, it's

663
00:39:00,415 --> 00:39:04,575
Speaker 4: deemed to comply. And I'm saying that they've made a

664
00:39:04,735 --> 00:39:08,335
Speaker 4: very conscious decision around that because a lot of insulation

665
00:39:08,655 --> 00:39:10,535
Speaker 4: and I can remember installing it. Let's say in the

666
00:39:10,615 --> 00:39:14,535
Speaker 4: early nineteen nineties, sealing insulation was one hundred mil thick

667
00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:19,375
Speaker 4: right or thereabouts. Now if that's gone and that won't comply,

668
00:39:19,975 --> 00:39:24,255
Speaker 4: it needs to be one hundred and twenty millimeters. Okay,

669
00:39:24,535 --> 00:39:28,695
Speaker 4: all the very best. I take care, and again, you

670
00:39:28,735 --> 00:39:31,175
Speaker 4: know if you're a Actually I was, funnily enough, I

671
00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:34,895
Speaker 4: was listening to a podcast yesterday with a group of

672
00:39:35,015 --> 00:39:39,655
Speaker 4: sort of property investors landlords discussing the healthy home standards,

673
00:39:41,215 --> 00:39:46,095
Speaker 4: and obviously they were coming from a landlord's perspective, so

674
00:39:46,135 --> 00:39:48,535
Speaker 4: they were talking about tenants who perhaps now will have

675
00:39:48,735 --> 00:39:53,295
Speaker 4: waited until the first of July before making a claim

676
00:39:53,375 --> 00:39:56,255
Speaker 4: to the Tendency Services for a breach of the Healthy

677
00:39:56,335 --> 00:39:59,575
Speaker 4: Home standards. So if the draft proofing isn't right, the

678
00:39:59,655 --> 00:40:03,775
Speaker 4: extraction's not right, the insulation's not right, the heating requirement

679
00:40:04,615 --> 00:40:08,935
Speaker 4: that's not right. Now take a claim to tendancy services.

680
00:40:08,975 --> 00:40:14,175
Speaker 4: Apparently Tendency Services three quarters of the claims are now

681
00:40:14,215 --> 00:40:18,015
Speaker 4: around healthy homes. And look, is it fair to say

682
00:40:18,175 --> 00:40:21,615
Speaker 4: that in some cases it's a motivation not around the

683
00:40:21,695 --> 00:40:25,295
Speaker 4: actual quality of the house, but around the potential for

684
00:40:25,695 --> 00:40:31,655
Speaker 4: financial recompense. So, landlown, I'm reading this from the Tendency

685
00:40:31,695 --> 00:40:35,415
Speaker 4: Services website. Landlords who do not meet their obligations under

686
00:40:35,415 --> 00:40:38,055
Speaker 4: the Healthy Home Standards are in breach of the Residential

687
00:40:38,095 --> 00:40:41,815
Speaker 4: Tendencies Act nine in eighty six and may face consequences

688
00:40:41,935 --> 00:40:48,055
Speaker 4: like financial penalties up to seven two hundred dollars. So

689
00:40:48,135 --> 00:40:50,615
Speaker 4: if you're a landlord and you haven't got your act together,

690
00:40:50,655 --> 00:40:52,215
Speaker 4: I mean you've had your head in the sand for

691
00:40:52,295 --> 00:40:57,415
Speaker 4: the last gosh, I don't know, five years. Also times up,

692
00:40:57,695 --> 00:40:59,775
Speaker 4: it's as simple as that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

693
00:40:59,855 --> 00:41:03,055
Speaker 4: eighty will come back and talk more about building construction

694
00:41:03,935 --> 00:41:07,815
Speaker 4: and the wonderful world of just getting stuff done. And

695
00:41:07,935 --> 00:41:10,375
Speaker 4: that was kind of my week, actually fixing stuff that

696
00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:13,015
Speaker 4: I wish I didn't have to fix, but I did anyway. Oh,

697
00:41:13,055 --> 00:41:14,855
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty teen eight because the car, we'll

698
00:41:14,855 --> 00:41:17,135
Speaker 4: get things set up. We'll talk to you straight after news,

699
00:41:17,135 --> 00:41:17,775
Speaker 4: sport and weather.

700
00:41:25,975 --> 00:41:28,855
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

701
00:41:28,935 --> 00:41:31,015
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

702
00:41:31,095 --> 00:41:35,335
Speaker 1: wolf Cap call on eight eighty, the resident builder on

703
00:41:35,455 --> 00:41:36,295
Speaker 1: news talks b.

704
00:41:55,455 --> 00:42:01,415
Speaker 3: Chucker Jack Chack, chucker Jack check Once upon the tone

705
00:42:01,535 --> 00:42:02,255
Speaker 3: of the railroad.

706
00:42:03,335 --> 00:42:04,895
Speaker 4: I have to say, folks, it's been high on my

707
00:42:05,015 --> 00:42:09,735
Speaker 4: list of rotate on the music that's Hadestown. By the way,

708
00:42:10,535 --> 00:42:13,215
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, but I might have to fix

709
00:42:13,295 --> 00:42:14,935
Speaker 4: that in the next couple of months. Oh, eight hundred

710
00:42:14,975 --> 00:42:18,495
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty. Let's talk all things building and construction. Chris,

711
00:42:18,615 --> 00:42:27,055
Speaker 4: thank you for your insights. So just to be clear, well,

712
00:42:27,095 --> 00:42:31,335
Speaker 4: I don't know that the caller did think that two

713
00:42:31,375 --> 00:42:36,975
Speaker 4: point nine was a measurement, but either way, let's be

714
00:42:37,095 --> 00:42:40,175
Speaker 4: really clear. The requirements of the Healthy Home standards right

715
00:42:40,255 --> 00:42:43,615
Speaker 4: now are that if you don't know exactly what the

716
00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:47,575
Speaker 4: insulation is and that's why it's really useful when insulation installers,

717
00:42:47,615 --> 00:42:50,215
Speaker 4: and it's been reasonably common practice, probably for the last

718
00:42:50,295 --> 00:42:52,575
Speaker 4: ten years or so, is you just take a label

719
00:42:52,615 --> 00:42:55,335
Speaker 4: from the bag that the insulation came in, and you

720
00:42:55,415 --> 00:42:58,495
Speaker 4: staple that to the rafters or to the joys, depending

721
00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:00,615
Speaker 4: on whether it's in the ceiling or on the underfloor,

722
00:43:01,055 --> 00:43:04,695
Speaker 4: and that then indicates and shows people exactly what type

723
00:43:04,695 --> 00:43:08,015
Speaker 4: of insulation has been installed. And sometimes they write the

724
00:43:08,175 --> 00:43:11,695
Speaker 4: date on it as well, which is super useful for

725
00:43:11,895 --> 00:43:16,095
Speaker 4: properties that had insulation installed before that was common practice.

726
00:43:17,055 --> 00:43:19,975
Speaker 4: The requirements for the Healthy Home standards is that it

727
00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:24,135
Speaker 4: has one hundred and twenty milimeters of insulation. That's the loft,

728
00:43:24,335 --> 00:43:26,535
Speaker 4: so from the bottom of the insulation to the top

729
00:43:27,055 --> 00:43:31,335
Speaker 4: should be one hundred and twenty millimeters. And because you

730
00:43:31,455 --> 00:43:34,695
Speaker 4: might not be able to determine what the original insallation,

731
00:43:34,855 --> 00:43:38,135
Speaker 4: what the r value the resistance value of that insulation

732
00:43:38,415 --> 00:43:41,095
Speaker 4: was in the first place, So if you can't, if

733
00:43:41,135 --> 00:43:43,975
Speaker 4: you don't know, there's no evidence for it, then the

734
00:43:44,095 --> 00:43:46,175
Speaker 4: fallback position is it's got to be one hundred and

735
00:43:46,215 --> 00:43:49,255
Speaker 4: twenty mili thick. Ideally it should be more than that.

736
00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:53,695
Speaker 4: That's only that's a very minimal level of insulation, and

737
00:43:53,815 --> 00:43:55,855
Speaker 4: if it is only one hundred and twenty milimeters, there's

738
00:43:55,895 --> 00:44:00,775
Speaker 4: probably there is definitely an advantage to increasing that as well.

739
00:44:00,935 --> 00:44:04,335
Speaker 4: But those are the requirements as per the Healthy Home Standards,

740
00:44:04,455 --> 00:44:05,375
Speaker 4: as per the guides.

741
00:44:06,095 --> 00:44:06,615
Speaker 13: It does.

742
00:44:07,255 --> 00:44:09,855
Speaker 4: It does raise. This is an interesting thing as well

743
00:44:09,935 --> 00:44:13,255
Speaker 4: in terms of for something that we've talked about for

744
00:44:13,655 --> 00:44:16,095
Speaker 4: quite a long time, so it's had quite a long

745
00:44:16,255 --> 00:44:19,535
Speaker 4: leading you know, so for landlords in terms of getting

746
00:44:19,535 --> 00:44:22,135
Speaker 4: properties to Healthy home standard, it's not like this is

747
00:44:22,215 --> 00:44:26,295
Speaker 4: new information. We've known about this. It's got to be

748
00:44:26,375 --> 00:44:29,455
Speaker 4: the better part of six years. So all of those

749
00:44:29,535 --> 00:44:32,415
Speaker 4: deadlines for you know, you've got this exemption or that

750
00:44:32,535 --> 00:44:36,655
Speaker 4: exemption pretty much are past. All properties should now comply

751
00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:40,095
Speaker 4: with the Healthy Home standards, and the guidance for that

752
00:44:40,335 --> 00:44:43,055
Speaker 4: is on the tenancy website. And then one of the

753
00:44:43,135 --> 00:44:46,455
Speaker 4: requirements is that you provide a healthy Homes assessment to

754
00:44:46,615 --> 00:44:50,615
Speaker 4: the tenant, either upon request, I'm pretty sure, or certainly

755
00:44:50,655 --> 00:44:54,735
Speaker 4: when a new tenancy is signed. The healthy Homes assessment

756
00:44:54,855 --> 00:44:59,415
Speaker 4: needs to be attached to the tenancy agreement. And then

757
00:44:59,495 --> 00:45:01,975
Speaker 4: it gets on too And I've had this conversation with

758
00:45:02,015 --> 00:45:04,055
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people recently, you know who does

759
00:45:04,175 --> 00:45:08,055
Speaker 4: them and who gets to see them. And right now,

760
00:45:08,215 --> 00:45:11,815
Speaker 4: while there are some qualifications around people who could undertake them,

761
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:16,295
Speaker 4: there is no requirement to have a qualified person undertake

762
00:45:16,415 --> 00:45:20,815
Speaker 4: the healthy homes assessment. So some landlords possibly are doing

763
00:45:20,895 --> 00:45:23,895
Speaker 4: their own and then it becomes a question of what

764
00:45:24,295 --> 00:45:27,655
Speaker 4: can you challenge it or what happens if you find

765
00:45:27,695 --> 00:45:32,335
Speaker 4: a discrepancy between them? Clear as mud, says Chris.

766
00:45:32,495 --> 00:45:32,855
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

767
00:45:33,415 --> 00:45:37,095
Speaker 4: Look, it does get on, it does it get confusing.

768
00:45:37,255 --> 00:45:39,295
Speaker 4: It sort of is, but it sort of isn't either.

769
00:45:40,615 --> 00:45:42,655
Speaker 4: But look, you know, I mentioned this last week on

770
00:45:42,735 --> 00:45:47,335
Speaker 4: the show. I have been sort of engaged with a dispute,

771
00:45:47,695 --> 00:45:50,255
Speaker 4: an investigation, let's say, and that's probably a bit a

772
00:45:50,415 --> 00:45:53,655
Speaker 4: grandizing of me to call it an investigation, but a

773
00:45:53,735 --> 00:45:57,815
Speaker 4: situation where a property had a healthy Homes assessment, they

774
00:45:57,895 --> 00:46:00,095
Speaker 4: did the heating calculation and they came up with a

775
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:04,015
Speaker 4: number in terms of what the heating requirement was, and

776
00:46:04,135 --> 00:46:07,975
Speaker 4: setting aside, where we got to in the end, two

777
00:46:08,255 --> 00:46:13,015
Speaker 4: healthy homes assessments on exactly the same property came up

778
00:46:13,135 --> 00:46:16,135
Speaker 4: with numbers that were twenty five percent different from each other,

779
00:46:16,495 --> 00:46:19,895
Speaker 4: so one got a heating requirement or more than twenty

780
00:46:19,935 --> 00:46:22,615
Speaker 4: five percent. Actually one got a heating requirement of about

781
00:46:22,655 --> 00:46:27,695
Speaker 4: four point four killerbo. That was the requirement. Someone else

782
00:46:27,855 --> 00:46:32,255
Speaker 4: did an assessment of exactly the same property, nothing had changed,

783
00:46:32,775 --> 00:46:40,815
Speaker 4: and their requirement was three. So it does. It's an

784
00:46:40,895 --> 00:46:44,455
Speaker 4: imperfect system. It's still better than not having one in

785
00:46:44,575 --> 00:46:48,855
Speaker 4: my opinion, but it is definitely still an imperfect system.

786
00:46:49,895 --> 00:46:53,975
Speaker 4: I do wonder, at the risk of introducing more rules

787
00:46:54,015 --> 00:46:58,495
Speaker 4: and regulations, whether or not the person who presents the

788
00:46:58,695 --> 00:47:03,375
Speaker 4: healthy Homes assessment must prove some sort of qualification to

789
00:47:03,535 --> 00:47:07,695
Speaker 4: do them, to undertake them. I mean, there's a couple

790
00:47:07,735 --> 00:47:10,015
Speaker 4: of as I understand that I'd be interested in talking

791
00:47:10,055 --> 00:47:12,775
Speaker 4: to someone who might have done it. There are a

792
00:47:12,855 --> 00:47:16,815
Speaker 4: couple of I think two day courses which have NZQA

793
00:47:18,735 --> 00:47:22,935
Speaker 4: qualification for these types of things. Or obviously, if you're

794
00:47:23,055 --> 00:47:29,495
Speaker 4: already a building surveyor charted surveyor something like that you've

795
00:47:29,575 --> 00:47:33,655
Speaker 4: got it, would being an LBP be a suitable qualification

796
00:47:33,855 --> 00:47:38,775
Speaker 4: for being able to undertake it? You know, just because

797
00:47:38,775 --> 00:47:41,175
Speaker 4: you've got a calculator and tape measure, does that make

798
00:47:41,255 --> 00:47:44,255
Speaker 4: you the right person to issue a healthy home statement

799
00:47:44,615 --> 00:47:47,655
Speaker 4: and do the heating assessment? Take some calls on that

800
00:47:47,695 --> 00:47:49,695
Speaker 4: if you wish, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

801
00:47:49,775 --> 00:47:52,055
Speaker 4: the number to call now. Just a quick reminder too,

802
00:47:52,135 --> 00:47:54,935
Speaker 4: but we've already we literally have been swamped with Texas.

803
00:47:55,015 --> 00:47:57,815
Speaker 4: Can be a very popular segment of the show in

804
00:47:57,935 --> 00:47:59,895
Speaker 4: the next hour, So after the eight o'clock news, Ben

805
00:47:59,975 --> 00:48:04,375
Speaker 4: Thompson his director at Pigeon Judge Lawyers. He is a

806
00:48:04,495 --> 00:48:08,455
Speaker 4: specialist in Crossley. I've invited them back on the show.

807
00:48:08,695 --> 00:48:11,255
Speaker 4: I'm going to try and basically do nothing but read

808
00:48:11,295 --> 00:48:13,815
Speaker 4: out your text. So if you've got a specific text

809
00:48:13,935 --> 00:48:17,975
Speaker 4: question about cross Leases, feel free to send them through

810
00:48:18,135 --> 00:48:20,455
Speaker 4: to nine to ninety two and we'll do that with

811
00:48:20,655 --> 00:48:23,415
Speaker 4: Ben straight after the news at eleven o'clock at eight

812
00:48:23,455 --> 00:48:27,055
Speaker 4: o'clock rather right now, we are taking your call. So

813
00:48:27,095 --> 00:48:29,415
Speaker 4: if you've got a question of a building nature, eight

814
00:48:29,535 --> 00:48:32,895
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is exactly that number to call.

815
00:48:33,735 --> 00:48:37,895
Speaker 4: A couple of other texts that have come through, a

816
00:48:37,975 --> 00:48:40,615
Speaker 4: lot of them are now I mentioned something, well, someone

817
00:48:40,655 --> 00:48:43,295
Speaker 4: text through and said, can I do if I've got

818
00:48:43,335 --> 00:48:45,495
Speaker 4: an indoor PowerPoint and I want to put an outdoor

819
00:48:45,575 --> 00:48:50,695
Speaker 4: PowerPoint within a close proximity of it. So literally what

820
00:48:50,815 --> 00:48:52,615
Speaker 4: I'm guessing is you're going to just drill through the

821
00:48:52,695 --> 00:48:54,935
Speaker 4: wall from the back of the existing PowerPoint out through

822
00:48:55,015 --> 00:48:58,095
Speaker 4: the outside and put an external PowerPoint on. Can I

823
00:48:58,215 --> 00:49:02,175
Speaker 4: do that, Haye Pete says someone. No, they can't run

824
00:49:02,295 --> 00:49:05,255
Speaker 4: you wiring even five hundred millimeters enliven it as a

825
00:49:05,415 --> 00:49:08,695
Speaker 4: non license person. They could set it up and then

826
00:49:08,775 --> 00:49:10,655
Speaker 4: pay a Sparky to live in it and test the

827
00:49:10,735 --> 00:49:14,495
Speaker 4: circuit and issue a coc Any new outlet must be

828
00:49:14,775 --> 00:49:18,335
Speaker 4: RCD protected, so may as well get an electrician in

829
00:49:18,415 --> 00:49:21,215
Speaker 4: the first case. That's from Tony, Thank you very much, Tony.

830
00:49:21,535 --> 00:49:24,375
Speaker 4: And so the important thing is about the RCD, so

831
00:49:24,615 --> 00:49:28,135
Speaker 4: adding actually that's maybe what would have triggered as well.

832
00:49:28,215 --> 00:49:31,495
Speaker 4: Obviously the outside PowerPoint needs to be RCD protected, but

833
00:49:31,655 --> 00:49:34,975
Speaker 4: also from it's been this for a number of years now,

834
00:49:35,415 --> 00:49:39,615
Speaker 4: adding a new PowerPoint to an existing circuit. If your

835
00:49:39,815 --> 00:49:45,935
Speaker 4: existing board does not have RCDs on it, then an

836
00:49:46,015 --> 00:49:50,935
Speaker 4: electrician must install an RCD to protect that line. So

837
00:49:51,055 --> 00:49:56,175
Speaker 4: there you go, there's a simple answer. No, you need

838
00:49:56,255 --> 00:49:59,095
Speaker 4: to get a sparky to do that. Asking for a friend,

839
00:49:59,335 --> 00:50:02,975
Speaker 4: if I've got a light switch that's stopped working properly,

840
00:50:03,415 --> 00:50:06,895
Speaker 4: can I replace that with exactly the same light switch

841
00:50:08,095 --> 00:50:11,215
Speaker 4: myself asking for a friend. Of course, oh, eight hundred

842
00:50:11,215 --> 00:50:13,375
Speaker 4: and eighty ten minutes on my job list. As it happens,

843
00:50:13,455 --> 00:50:16,495
Speaker 4: it is fifteen minutes after seven the other thing, just

844
00:50:16,535 --> 00:50:18,295
Speaker 4: while we were waiting for these calls to get lined up.

845
00:50:18,975 --> 00:50:22,855
Speaker 4: I've been fascinated by a story that I kind of

846
00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:27,335
Speaker 4: stumbled upon out of the UK. Where in the UK,

847
00:50:27,655 --> 00:50:30,735
Speaker 4: I think anywhere in the world we have it. We

848
00:50:31,095 --> 00:50:33,935
Speaker 4: as in trades people have a tremendous problem with people

849
00:50:34,055 --> 00:50:38,255
Speaker 4: nicking our stuff right, nicking our tools. I've had a

850
00:50:38,375 --> 00:50:43,215
Speaker 4: mate recently work van was broken into power tools gone,

851
00:50:43,615 --> 00:50:47,055
Speaker 4: hand tools gone. I've had stuff stolen out of the

852
00:50:47,095 --> 00:50:49,415
Speaker 4: back of the ute, out of the trailer I had.

853
00:50:49,575 --> 00:50:52,135
Speaker 4: I remember years ago loading gear onto the back of

854
00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:54,815
Speaker 4: the truck walking back to the house and when I

855
00:50:54,975 --> 00:50:59,015
Speaker 4: walked back, someone had pinched a ram set gun, Senco

856
00:51:00,015 --> 00:51:04,215
Speaker 4: nailer and one other tool. It was like fifteen hundred

857
00:51:04,255 --> 00:51:07,535
Speaker 4: bucks in a matter of minutes. So tall theft is

858
00:51:07,575 --> 00:51:12,975
Speaker 4: a real issue. So the story that I stumbled upon

859
00:51:13,055 --> 00:51:16,255
Speaker 4: in the States, well in the UK, was a group

860
00:51:16,335 --> 00:51:19,735
Speaker 4: that wants to advocate for stronger penalties for people that

861
00:51:20,015 --> 00:51:25,975
Speaker 4: steal somebody else's work. Tools, so you know there's there's

862
00:51:26,135 --> 00:51:29,695
Speaker 4: obviously theft, and then theft of tools will get a

863
00:51:29,815 --> 00:51:33,735
Speaker 4: higher penalty. Got to say quite like that. Oh, eight

864
00:51:33,895 --> 00:51:35,975
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call Terry,

865
00:51:36,015 --> 00:51:36,735
Speaker 4: Good morning.

866
00:51:37,815 --> 00:51:41,535
Speaker 7: Hello, I bringing I've bought a house that was built

867
00:51:41,575 --> 00:51:45,335
Speaker 7: in nineteen fifty, the brick house, and at the front

868
00:51:45,375 --> 00:51:48,335
Speaker 7: of the house it has this large deck. Now, the

869
00:51:48,415 --> 00:51:53,615
Speaker 7: deck used to be a tank well when I got here,

870
00:51:53,815 --> 00:51:59,215
Speaker 7: and so I decommissioned, had to do the tank decommission.

871
00:51:59,375 --> 00:52:02,855
Speaker 4: Yes, and it has a tile a tile.

872
00:52:02,695 --> 00:52:05,815
Speaker 7: Serve that like it's been tiled, but the tiles are

873
00:52:05,855 --> 00:52:10,655
Speaker 7: extremely spongey. They've all leached water from the cullar and

874
00:52:10,735 --> 00:52:13,295
Speaker 7: everything has all gone. And I thought I could just

875
00:52:13,575 --> 00:52:16,695
Speaker 7: tile the deck again. Now this is only the start

876
00:52:16,735 --> 00:52:20,135
Speaker 7: of my journey. So so I've been told by the

877
00:52:20,935 --> 00:52:25,695
Speaker 7: plummer that apparently you're not allowed to membrane under tiles now,

878
00:52:26,735 --> 00:52:30,135
Speaker 7: and so I'm not sure whether I can retile it

879
00:52:30,455 --> 00:52:35,175
Speaker 7: or what we're supposed to use these days. Okay, so

880
00:52:35,815 --> 00:52:39,575
Speaker 7: we need to get it so it doesn't get water logged.

881
00:52:39,855 --> 00:52:43,055
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the deck that you want to retile is

882
00:52:43,175 --> 00:52:46,975
Speaker 4: that over a habitable space, like, is there a room

883
00:52:47,055 --> 00:52:47,375
Speaker 4: below it.

884
00:52:48,415 --> 00:52:51,575
Speaker 7: No, thank goodness, there's no room above it or below it.

885
00:52:51,695 --> 00:52:53,735
Speaker 7: But it's at the front of the house.

886
00:52:54,295 --> 00:52:59,215
Speaker 4: Yes. The person that you're talking to is right in

887
00:52:59,375 --> 00:53:02,655
Speaker 4: the sense that if that deck was a membrane deck

888
00:53:02,855 --> 00:53:06,095
Speaker 4: over a habitable space, best practice now is that you

889
00:53:06,175 --> 00:53:10,415
Speaker 4: don't directly adhere tiles to it because it's they fail, right,

890
00:53:11,415 --> 00:53:15,175
Speaker 4: and have failed quite a lot. But if in this

891
00:53:15,375 --> 00:53:21,255
Speaker 4: instance the deck is not over a habitable space, it's

892
00:53:21,495 --> 00:53:22,095
Speaker 4: low risk.

893
00:53:22,215 --> 00:53:22,335
Speaker 8: Right.

894
00:53:22,495 --> 00:53:24,935
Speaker 4: If it failed, the worst thing that would happen is

895
00:53:24,975 --> 00:53:26,415
Speaker 4: the ground underneath it gets wet.

896
00:53:27,495 --> 00:53:30,615
Speaker 13: Yes, that's correct, in which case it's actually a block

897
00:53:31,215 --> 00:53:35,295
Speaker 13: is a block tank? Yes, and you know, and you

898
00:53:35,375 --> 00:53:37,135
Speaker 13: can go in underneath the house and look at the

899
00:53:37,215 --> 00:53:39,375
Speaker 13: sides of it, and you can see where there's been

900
00:53:39,455 --> 00:53:41,895
Speaker 13: water leaching through the side of the concrete. So the

901
00:53:41,975 --> 00:53:43,415
Speaker 13: concrete's quite damn Yes.

902
00:53:44,095 --> 00:53:46,575
Speaker 4: So the where the tiles are at the front of

903
00:53:46,615 --> 00:53:50,455
Speaker 4: the house or is on a concrete lid on that

904
00:53:50,615 --> 00:53:52,855
Speaker 4: tank or is it a timber lid on the tank.

905
00:53:54,055 --> 00:53:55,175
Speaker 7: No, it's all concrete.

906
00:53:55,175 --> 00:53:55,895
Speaker 4: It's all concrete.

907
00:53:55,975 --> 00:54:00,255
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, where do you actually get here? The cover

908
00:54:00,415 --> 00:54:02,655
Speaker 7: is considering getting into the tank. But we've just been

909
00:54:02,695 --> 00:54:08,575
Speaker 7: waiting for the weas ap purpose, and but it's terracotta

910
00:54:08,655 --> 00:54:12,695
Speaker 7: tiles on the top, and so everything looks as it's

911
00:54:12,735 --> 00:54:14,855
Speaker 7: been done perfectly, but it's just a long way down

912
00:54:14,935 --> 00:54:16,815
Speaker 7: the track and needs to be corrected.

913
00:54:18,495 --> 00:54:21,815
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have any hesitation about ripping those tiles off,

914
00:54:22,055 --> 00:54:25,495
Speaker 4: rewaterproofing the substrate, and tiling back onto it, because you're

915
00:54:25,535 --> 00:54:27,375
Speaker 4: tiling over the top of a water tank and it's

916
00:54:27,375 --> 00:54:32,255
Speaker 4: already concrete anyway, So I wouldn't have a problem doing that.

917
00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:36,615
Speaker 7: Oh look, thank you so much. I've always listened to

918
00:54:36,735 --> 00:54:39,375
Speaker 7: your program and think I get so many good tips

919
00:54:39,415 --> 00:54:42,615
Speaker 7: from it, and I thought, well, I need to ask

920
00:54:42,695 --> 00:54:44,175
Speaker 7: the question. So thanks so much.

921
00:54:44,415 --> 00:54:47,455
Speaker 4: I mean, I understand and I appreciate the concern from

922
00:54:47,895 --> 00:54:49,855
Speaker 4: you know, the person that gave you that advice, but

923
00:54:50,015 --> 00:54:53,015
Speaker 4: they're kind of conflating to separate issues, right. So in

924
00:54:53,095 --> 00:54:56,935
Speaker 4: this instance here, the idea is to protect the habitable space.

925
00:54:56,975 --> 00:54:59,655
Speaker 4: It's not a habitable space below, it's already a concrete

926
00:55:00,295 --> 00:55:02,855
Speaker 4: water tank. Tiles have probably just reached the end of

927
00:55:02,895 --> 00:55:05,615
Speaker 4: their life and the waterproofing underneath it. Strip the tiles off,

928
00:55:05,695 --> 00:55:08,455
Speaker 4: redo the water proofing, lay the tiles down. Job done.

929
00:55:09,415 --> 00:55:12,215
Speaker 7: Fantastic. In the other thing, the other question right like

930
00:55:12,295 --> 00:55:15,775
Speaker 7: to ask, is that they had initially said that tiles

931
00:55:15,855 --> 00:55:18,495
Speaker 7: now have to be on some sort of little you know,

932
00:55:18,615 --> 00:55:23,615
Speaker 7: you can't actually a tile to a membrane. You actually

933
00:55:23,655 --> 00:55:26,135
Speaker 7: have to have these little sort of foundations under the tiles.

934
00:55:26,215 --> 00:55:26,855
Speaker 11: Is that correct?

935
00:55:28,775 --> 00:55:32,055
Speaker 4: No, Again, that's that's kind of conflating two things. So

936
00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:35,055
Speaker 4: standard practice, let's say, for a let's say it's a

937
00:55:35,295 --> 00:55:40,575
Speaker 4: timber deck over a habitable space below right, and what

938
00:55:40,735 --> 00:55:43,735
Speaker 4: we would typically do today is we would waterproof that

939
00:55:43,895 --> 00:55:48,095
Speaker 4: deck and then instead of directly adhering tiles down to it,

940
00:55:49,055 --> 00:55:51,695
Speaker 4: you use a different type of tile which is much thicker,

941
00:55:51,775 --> 00:55:54,415
Speaker 4: and we put them on little stands like boos on jacks,

942
00:55:54,735 --> 00:55:57,215
Speaker 4: and then you can lay it there and that allows

943
00:55:57,295 --> 00:55:59,695
Speaker 4: the water to percolate through the tiles, hit the waterproofing

944
00:55:59,775 --> 00:56:02,375
Speaker 4: and run away. It also means that if there's a

945
00:56:02,455 --> 00:56:05,095
Speaker 4: problem with the waterproofing, you can lift the tiles out.

946
00:56:05,175 --> 00:56:06,775
Speaker 4: You can do it with a timber man as well,

947
00:56:07,335 --> 00:56:11,455
Speaker 4: and it allows you to maintain the waterproofing and get

948
00:56:11,495 --> 00:56:14,415
Speaker 4: access to it. Whereas and I've been involved in the

949
00:56:14,815 --> 00:56:17,695
Speaker 4: one that I built years and years ago, it was

950
00:56:17,735 --> 00:56:22,935
Speaker 4: when you could still direct fixed down and the surface

951
00:56:23,055 --> 00:56:26,895
Speaker 4: tension of the tile heating up, pulled the adhesive, pulled

952
00:56:26,975 --> 00:56:29,175
Speaker 4: the lap open and allowed water to get in there.

953
00:56:29,255 --> 00:56:32,415
Speaker 4: And so that's why we don't direct fix anymore, so

954
00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:35,535
Speaker 4: that I would still have to do that on a

955
00:56:35,615 --> 00:56:40,295
Speaker 4: different situation. Yes, yeah, yeah, Okay, nice to talk to you.

956
00:56:41,495 --> 00:56:44,335
Speaker 4: You have a great day. Take here, Terry all by

957
00:56:44,375 --> 00:56:47,015
Speaker 4: then Hey Ron, ok morning Pete.

958
00:56:47,935 --> 00:56:52,295
Speaker 12: A question for you. We have a rental property, waterfront

959
00:56:52,375 --> 00:56:59,655
Speaker 12: property which has flooded under the house judas storm over

960
00:56:59,735 --> 00:57:02,495
Speaker 12: the last forty years about two or three times. Yes,

961
00:57:03,735 --> 00:57:07,975
Speaker 12: Now I'm concerned about putting a man brain over the

962
00:57:08,095 --> 00:57:10,135
Speaker 12: ground there and it not drying out.

963
00:57:10,935 --> 00:57:11,135
Speaker 8: Yeah.

964
00:57:11,175 --> 00:57:15,255
Speaker 12: If you do that, you know the consequences of it.

965
00:57:16,175 --> 00:57:19,055
Speaker 12: It gets a good air circulation underneath and it is

966
00:57:19,215 --> 00:57:23,655
Speaker 12: perfectly dry underneath. What's your thoughts on that?

967
00:57:24,815 --> 00:57:27,375
Speaker 4: I suppose what you have to then try and do.

968
00:57:27,895 --> 00:57:30,375
Speaker 4: And it's a little bit unclear to be fair, is

969
00:57:31,135 --> 00:57:34,455
Speaker 4: could you in terms of the healthy homes assessment?

970
00:57:34,575 --> 00:57:34,695
Speaker 7: Right?

971
00:57:34,775 --> 00:57:37,335
Speaker 4: So you know to a large degree it's a tick

972
00:57:37,415 --> 00:57:41,895
Speaker 4: box process. So is there extraction? Tick is there? Installation?

973
00:57:42,095 --> 00:57:47,575
Speaker 4: Tick is there? You know, draft proofing, tick, stormwater mitigation, tick,

974
00:57:48,975 --> 00:57:52,055
Speaker 4: vapor barrier, you're going to put a cross there, right,

975
00:57:52,535 --> 00:57:55,535
Speaker 4: And so then you would need to make an argument

976
00:57:56,495 --> 00:58:00,455
Speaker 4: to say that in this particular instance, I've considered all

977
00:58:00,535 --> 00:58:04,375
Speaker 4: of the issues and I've decided that it's better actually

978
00:58:04,455 --> 00:58:07,135
Speaker 4: for the health of the property to not install that.

979
00:58:07,575 --> 00:58:10,375
Speaker 4: But then you'd also have to provide some evidence as

980
00:58:10,455 --> 00:58:14,695
Speaker 4: to you know, why you might think that it's better,

981
00:58:14,815 --> 00:58:17,255
Speaker 4: but it still might even if you've got issues with

982
00:58:18,015 --> 00:58:20,055
Speaker 4: groundwater migrating underneath the house.

983
00:58:20,935 --> 00:58:24,255
Speaker 12: No, we don't. And it's over one hundred year old

984
00:58:24,375 --> 00:58:27,855
Speaker 12: house and it's as dry as a bone underneath there,

985
00:58:28,055 --> 00:58:32,015
Speaker 12: and it's nothing runs underneath it. And I'm just concerned

986
00:58:32,055 --> 00:58:35,895
Speaker 12: that like or six or seven years ago, we had

987
00:58:35,975 --> 00:58:44,215
Speaker 12: a massive meter rise and wow, but it dries out

988
00:58:44,695 --> 00:58:47,375
Speaker 12: and it's got good wind circulation underneath it. We've got

989
00:58:47,575 --> 00:58:51,495
Speaker 12: insulation top and bottom, yep, on the house. Everything else complies.

990
00:58:51,575 --> 00:58:54,775
Speaker 12: But that is one concern that I have. I don't

991
00:58:54,815 --> 00:58:57,375
Speaker 12: mind spending the money or doing it, but it could

992
00:58:57,535 --> 00:58:58,935
Speaker 12: end up a disaster area.

993
00:58:59,175 --> 00:59:02,375
Speaker 4: Yeah, although can I put this point to you that

994
00:59:02,655 --> 00:59:05,775
Speaker 4: let's say there's a concern that there might be some

995
00:59:05,935 --> 00:59:08,735
Speaker 4: floody at some time in the future. Right, So in

996
00:59:08,815 --> 00:59:12,135
Speaker 4: the that's an unlikely event, or it's hopefully a very

997
00:59:12,335 --> 00:59:17,535
Speaker 4: rare event. So very rare that happened because you have

998
00:59:17,615 --> 00:59:19,895
Speaker 4: to take the joints of the polythene vapor barrier. But

999
00:59:20,255 --> 00:59:23,135
Speaker 4: you know, let's say you had some flooding and then

1000
00:59:25,695 --> 00:59:28,375
Speaker 4: you know you were concerned about that drying out. You

1001
00:59:28,495 --> 00:59:30,975
Speaker 4: could just lift the vapor barrier for a couple of

1002
00:59:31,055 --> 00:59:33,375
Speaker 4: weeks and then put it back down again, couldn't you So,

1003
00:59:34,015 --> 00:59:37,335
Speaker 4: And in the meantime, the vapor barrier is still doing

1004
00:59:37,415 --> 00:59:40,415
Speaker 4: what vapor barriers do, which has stop moisture that's in

1005
00:59:40,495 --> 00:59:45,255
Speaker 4: the ground from migrating up and making that space damp.

1006
00:59:45,415 --> 00:59:50,615
Speaker 4: So I would still put the vapor barrier down, and

1007
00:59:50,735 --> 00:59:53,095
Speaker 4: then if there's a flood, you could deal with that then,

1008
00:59:53,535 --> 00:59:55,535
Speaker 4: but you'll get the advantage of the vapor barrier for

1009
00:59:55,575 --> 00:59:56,295
Speaker 4: the rest of the time.

1010
00:59:57,015 --> 01:00:01,095
Speaker 12: Is hard to do with all the jack stupe.

1011
01:00:01,255 --> 01:00:03,935
Speaker 4: Yeah, it takes a little bit of time, but it

1012
01:00:04,735 --> 01:00:07,295
Speaker 4: does make a difference, and that it makes a difference.

1013
01:00:09,175 --> 01:00:11,975
Speaker 12: If I did, I'll get somebody else to give me

1014
01:00:12,015 --> 01:00:16,775
Speaker 12: an opinion on it, which I wouldn't mind doing, and

1015
01:00:18,135 --> 01:00:21,215
Speaker 12: you know, see what to do from there. But I

1016
01:00:21,375 --> 01:00:25,895
Speaker 12: possibly could on the healthy homes, but say that I

1017
01:00:26,055 --> 01:00:30,055
Speaker 12: consider that this would be a health hazard doing it,

1018
01:00:30,215 --> 01:00:31,055
Speaker 12: because you know.

1019
01:00:31,375 --> 01:00:34,175
Speaker 4: You didn't have to provide some evidence, right, So then

1020
01:00:34,215 --> 01:00:36,975
Speaker 4: you've got to find a building survey or a building

1021
01:00:37,055 --> 01:00:42,175
Speaker 4: scientist or a heating consultant who would provide you with

1022
01:00:42,255 --> 01:00:46,815
Speaker 4: evidence for that. And I'm not no, no, because my

1023
01:00:46,935 --> 01:00:48,735
Speaker 4: advice would be put the vapor barrier down.

1024
01:00:49,615 --> 01:00:52,455
Speaker 12: Okay, I'm going to leave it there.

1025
01:00:52,535 --> 01:00:54,295
Speaker 4: Ro Thank you very much for your call mate, all

1026
01:00:54,335 --> 01:00:56,575
Speaker 4: the very best you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1027
01:00:56,735 --> 01:00:58,695
Speaker 4: eighty is that number to call. We'll talk to Lisa

1028
01:00:58,775 --> 01:00:59,535
Speaker 4: straight after the break.

1029
01:01:00,335 --> 01:01:03,895
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

1030
01:01:04,015 --> 01:01:05,935
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder.

1031
01:01:06,415 --> 01:01:09,255
Speaker 4: News Talk said, b yeah, when you talk said the

1032
01:01:09,535 --> 01:01:12,215
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call

1033
01:01:12,535 --> 01:01:16,895
Speaker 4: and Lisa are very good morning to you. Hello, Lisa.

1034
01:01:18,735 --> 01:01:20,295
Speaker 14: Oh it's Leslie.

1035
01:01:20,495 --> 01:01:23,735
Speaker 4: Oh Leslie. Sorry, Oh that's cool. I can't read.

1036
01:01:25,335 --> 01:01:29,135
Speaker 14: That's all right. It's ringing about the healthy home.

1037
01:01:30,055 --> 01:01:30,575
Speaker 5: Got a daughter.

1038
01:01:30,655 --> 01:01:33,735
Speaker 14: He's in a student flat that in the house has

1039
01:01:33,735 --> 01:01:37,495
Speaker 14: got a flat roof. Now that landlord is dead. That

1040
01:01:37,935 --> 01:01:41,855
Speaker 14: it's part insulated, but there's an area that's inaccessible.

1041
01:01:42,095 --> 01:01:44,655
Speaker 8: Yes, is that it's acceptable.

1042
01:01:44,855 --> 01:01:48,615
Speaker 4: That is acceptable. So the requirement is that roof spaces

1043
01:01:48,695 --> 01:01:52,895
Speaker 4: and underfloor areas need to be insulated if they're accessible.

1044
01:01:53,335 --> 01:01:56,535
Speaker 4: So something like a skillion roof, you know, where there's rafters,

1045
01:01:56,615 --> 01:01:58,855
Speaker 4: there's lining on one side on the inside, and there's

1046
01:01:58,935 --> 01:02:02,855
Speaker 4: roofing iron on the top, there's no requirement that's inaccessible, right,

1047
01:02:03,855 --> 01:02:08,175
Speaker 4: So there's no requirement to insulate that. So the I

1048
01:02:08,295 --> 01:02:11,295
Speaker 4: guess what it is is the law, the legislation stops

1049
01:02:11,455 --> 01:02:17,575
Speaker 4: at anything that requires reconstruction. So that's probably also why

1050
01:02:17,815 --> 01:02:21,975
Speaker 4: there's no requirement to insulate exterior walls because we know

1051
01:02:22,215 --> 01:02:26,295
Speaker 4: that you know, basically anything before nineteen seventy eight had

1052
01:02:26,375 --> 01:02:30,615
Speaker 4: little to no insulation in it. So you know, look,

1053
01:02:30,735 --> 01:02:33,015
Speaker 4: maybe it'll come in the future. I don't know, but yes,

1054
01:02:33,815 --> 01:02:37,935
Speaker 4: right now, that's a legal exemption to the insulation requirements

1055
01:02:38,215 --> 01:02:39,295
Speaker 4: if it's inaccessible.

1056
01:02:40,335 --> 01:02:44,695
Speaker 14: Okay, so sorry, I'm not not a builder. But when

1057
01:02:44,735 --> 01:02:46,935
Speaker 14: you say the rafters are exposed.

1058
01:02:46,975 --> 01:02:49,215
Speaker 4: No, no, no, what it would be. Let's say if

1059
01:02:49,255 --> 01:02:51,455
Speaker 4: it's a lean to extension or a bit of a

1060
01:02:51,535 --> 01:02:55,775
Speaker 4: flat roof, right, so typically you've got your rafters, then

1061
01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,495
Speaker 4: you would put plaster board on the underside, you'll have

1062
01:02:58,575 --> 01:03:00,655
Speaker 4: the roofing iron on top. There's no way to get

1063
01:03:00,695 --> 01:03:03,655
Speaker 4: in there apart from taking the roof off or pulling

1064
01:03:03,695 --> 01:03:06,295
Speaker 4: the ceiling down, So that's considered an excess.

1065
01:03:07,775 --> 01:03:10,175
Speaker 7: Okay, Oh it's good to know.

1066
01:03:11,095 --> 01:03:14,575
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's it's a challenge because

1067
01:03:14,895 --> 01:03:17,775
Speaker 4: a lot of those spaces have got either no insulation

1068
01:03:17,975 --> 01:03:23,255
Speaker 4: or poor insulation. And you know what, how insulation works

1069
01:03:23,375 --> 01:03:26,895
Speaker 4: best is when everything is insulated because in the end,

1070
01:03:27,015 --> 01:03:29,935
Speaker 4: heat that can't escape one way, we'll look for the

1071
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,295
Speaker 4: next week spot. So while it's good to insulate ceilings,

1072
01:03:33,335 --> 01:03:37,895
Speaker 4: obviously it is better to insulate everything to slow down

1073
01:03:37,975 --> 01:03:40,735
Speaker 4: heat transfer. But yeah, we live in the real world,

1074
01:03:40,855 --> 01:03:45,295
Speaker 4: not the I wish it was world. Yeah, nice to

1075
01:03:45,335 --> 01:03:45,655
Speaker 4: talk to you.

1076
01:03:46,975 --> 01:03:47,455
Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you.

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01:03:47,655 --> 01:03:53,775
Speaker 4: Take care bother then, Dave, what's up? Well, what's not

1078
01:03:53,935 --> 01:03:55,615
Speaker 4: up yet? But you'd like to put it up more

1079
01:03:55,655 --> 01:03:55,855
Speaker 4: to the.

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01:03:55,855 --> 01:04:01,135
Speaker 15: Point, oh not quite as early as you get up.

1081
01:04:01,215 --> 01:04:08,135
Speaker 15: But anyway, got we're in a new place with the

1082
01:04:09,455 --> 01:04:11,695
Speaker 15: silly design with no feats and.

1083
01:04:13,215 --> 01:04:13,735
Speaker 8: Stuff like that.

1084
01:04:15,975 --> 01:04:19,615
Speaker 15: So our ranch slider is when we open them, the

1085
01:04:19,735 --> 01:04:22,335
Speaker 15: rain comes in. Because if it's just a straight walk

1086
01:04:24,015 --> 01:04:29,535
Speaker 15: just looking at putting a well a roof for goal.

1087
01:04:29,735 --> 01:04:31,495
Speaker 15: So I don't know whether you'd call that a veranda

1088
01:04:31,575 --> 01:04:35,135
Speaker 15: or what you'd call it. Technically, it was like a

1089
01:04:35,255 --> 01:04:41,455
Speaker 15: clear roof on it, but we've only got about two

1090
01:04:41,455 --> 01:04:44,335
Speaker 15: and a half meters to the boundary, and as far

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01:04:44,415 --> 01:04:47,215
Speaker 15: as I could sort of find out, looked like you

1092
01:04:47,295 --> 01:04:50,655
Speaker 15: could go maybe as close as a meter to the boundary,

1093
01:04:50,735 --> 01:04:53,135
Speaker 15: but I'm not one hundred percent sure on that. So

1094
01:04:53,215 --> 01:04:57,495
Speaker 15: I just wanted to clarify how close and how high

1095
01:04:57,575 --> 01:05:00,855
Speaker 15: you can go to the boundary. It's on the eastern boundary. Yeah,

1096
01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:06,495
Speaker 15: there was going to be a freestanding sort of a thing, Okay,

1097
01:05:07,535 --> 01:05:08,535
Speaker 15: I don't want to attack it.

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01:05:09,055 --> 01:05:10,335
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good thinking.

1099
01:05:11,735 --> 01:05:15,815
Speaker 15: Ten year warranty. So yeah, I'm a builder myself, but

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01:05:15,935 --> 01:05:16,975
Speaker 15: I'm yeah.

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01:05:18,975 --> 01:05:23,095
Speaker 4: Look, there's actually a really quite useful tool that works

1102
01:05:23,215 --> 01:05:27,055
Speaker 4: most of the time that MB have created, and it's

1103
01:05:27,095 --> 01:05:30,895
Speaker 4: called can I build it? Dot gov dot NZ And

1104
01:05:31,135 --> 01:05:33,815
Speaker 4: essentially it takes you through a checklist, a yes snow

1105
01:05:33,895 --> 01:05:39,255
Speaker 4: type thing, so you type in purglar and then so

1106
01:05:40,415 --> 01:05:43,015
Speaker 4: how I've always understood it is that often you could

1107
01:05:43,055 --> 01:05:45,975
Speaker 4: build purgolars without requiring a consent, but as soon as

1108
01:05:46,015 --> 01:05:48,975
Speaker 4: you put a roof on it, then it triggers the

1109
01:05:49,055 --> 01:05:52,175
Speaker 4: requirement for building consent, but that's changed a little bit

1110
01:05:52,295 --> 01:05:54,655
Speaker 4: with the extension to Schedule one of the Act, where

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01:05:54,855 --> 01:05:59,495
Speaker 4: the size of that has increased. But I think that

1112
01:05:59,575 --> 01:06:02,655
Speaker 4: if you're looking at possibly a system and they've come

1113
01:06:02,735 --> 01:06:05,535
Speaker 4: down dramatically in terms of the kid set ones, you know,

1114
01:06:06,495 --> 01:06:10,775
Speaker 4: four posts, a frame and adjustable lovers. Right, so when

1115
01:06:10,815 --> 01:06:15,615
Speaker 4: it's open, it's open. It's not a roof, But in

1116
01:06:15,855 --> 01:06:18,055
Speaker 4: summer time, when you want the shading, you could close

1117
01:06:18,135 --> 01:06:20,215
Speaker 4: the roof. It catches the rain water. You've got to

1118
01:06:20,255 --> 01:06:22,975
Speaker 4: direct that away. But if you got the right size one,

1119
01:06:23,135 --> 01:06:24,575
Speaker 4: and I think again, if you were a little bit

1120
01:06:24,655 --> 01:06:28,215
Speaker 4: courteous by not going closer than a meter to the boundary,

1121
01:06:28,655 --> 01:06:33,015
Speaker 4: and it's not overpowering the neighbor, and it's not attached

1122
01:06:33,055 --> 01:06:37,535
Speaker 4: to the house, then I would probably say be practical,

1123
01:06:37,695 --> 01:06:42,575
Speaker 4: put up, Put that up and get the benefit of

1124
01:06:42,615 --> 01:06:45,655
Speaker 4: the shading. Which you're absolutely right. And I had a

1125
01:06:45,695 --> 01:06:49,335
Speaker 4: long conversation with a building surveyor earlier this week about

1126
01:06:49,655 --> 01:06:53,455
Speaker 4: you know, the poor design and the lack of foresight

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01:06:53,615 --> 01:06:56,735
Speaker 4: that a lot of kind of modern townhouses have where

1128
01:06:57,535 --> 01:07:00,775
Speaker 4: often they'll put in large, you know, sections of glazing

1129
01:07:01,135 --> 01:07:05,575
Speaker 4: that tend to overheat the house, and that sounds like

1130
01:07:05,695 --> 01:07:07,055
Speaker 4: exactly the sue that you've got.

1131
01:07:08,775 --> 01:07:10,495
Speaker 15: Yeah, we've got one on the front and one on

1132
01:07:10,615 --> 01:07:12,855
Speaker 15: the side, and we knew that it was a stupid

1133
01:07:12,935 --> 01:07:15,255
Speaker 15: design when we bought it, but with like the house

1134
01:07:15,335 --> 01:07:16,095
Speaker 15: and it's new, so.

1135
01:07:18,055 --> 01:07:22,415
Speaker 4: You know, shading in some instances is relatively straightforward. Right,

1136
01:07:22,495 --> 01:07:24,735
Speaker 4: So I think you've probably in your mind got a

1137
01:07:24,855 --> 01:07:28,135
Speaker 4: really sensible solution to it, particularly if you use something

1138
01:07:28,175 --> 01:07:31,455
Speaker 4: that's adjustable, because you know, in winter you might want

1139
01:07:31,535 --> 01:07:34,815
Speaker 4: that soul again, right, you don't mind that you're getting

1140
01:07:34,855 --> 01:07:36,895
Speaker 4: a bit of heat into the house because it helps

1141
01:07:36,935 --> 01:07:39,975
Speaker 4: warm the house up, but comes summertime when you don't

1142
01:07:40,015 --> 01:07:43,215
Speaker 4: want that space overheat. If you've got something that's adjustable

1143
01:07:43,295 --> 01:07:45,015
Speaker 4: that you can block out the heat and do it

1144
01:07:45,095 --> 01:07:47,055
Speaker 4: on the outside of the building, that's fantastic.

1145
01:07:48,655 --> 01:07:50,855
Speaker 15: Well what was that side again? So I can I

1146
01:07:51,015 --> 01:07:53,135
Speaker 15: build a dot G O V T.

1147
01:07:53,415 --> 01:07:57,615
Speaker 4: Wasn't that that's the one? Yeah, it's it's pretty good.

1148
01:07:57,695 --> 01:07:59,775
Speaker 4: It you know, it's it's not one hundred percent, but

1149
01:07:59,895 --> 01:08:02,015
Speaker 4: I've I've found it quite useful in terms of you

1150
01:08:02,975 --> 01:08:05,455
Speaker 4: literally it just takes you through a flow chart. Right,

1151
01:08:06,295 --> 01:08:08,975
Speaker 4: this is what I want to build, is it how big?

1152
01:08:09,135 --> 01:08:10,735
Speaker 4: Is it doesn't have a roof? Da da da da

1153
01:08:10,775 --> 01:08:12,895
Speaker 4: da da da da da, And it will It'll take

1154
01:08:12,935 --> 01:08:14,615
Speaker 4: you through and say whether or not you need to

1155
01:08:14,935 --> 01:08:17,655
Speaker 4: get a consent or not. It's not one hundred percent perfect,

1156
01:08:17,695 --> 01:08:18,295
Speaker 4: it's pretty good.

1157
01:08:19,415 --> 01:08:22,495
Speaker 15: The main thing is we're just trying to keep the

1158
01:08:22,615 --> 01:08:24,615
Speaker 15: rain out when we so we can let the dog

1159
01:08:24,695 --> 01:08:25,495
Speaker 15: in and out and have it.

1160
01:08:26,455 --> 01:08:26,655
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1161
01:08:26,935 --> 01:08:30,615
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again you know, we think about older and

1162
01:08:30,735 --> 01:08:33,495
Speaker 4: you'll be familiar with them, you know, villas and bungalows

1163
01:08:33,495 --> 01:08:36,375
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, often with verandahs with a

1164
01:08:36,495 --> 01:08:39,535
Speaker 4: covered space. I've been doing some work on a nineteen

1165
01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:43,095
Speaker 4: seventies house, nice, big, six hundred mili eves. You know,

1166
01:08:43,215 --> 01:08:46,255
Speaker 4: apart from driving rain that the top of the windows

1167
01:08:46,375 --> 01:08:49,095
Speaker 4: never even get water on them, right, So all of

1168
01:08:49,135 --> 01:08:53,295
Speaker 4: those critical weak points are protected. But suddenly, you know,

1169
01:08:53,975 --> 01:08:56,615
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say we've got real concerns

1170
01:08:56,615 --> 01:08:59,815
Speaker 4: about what might be a two or three story facade

1171
01:08:59,855 --> 01:09:03,535
Speaker 4: that's almost sheer vertical with very little protection at the top.

1172
01:09:03,655 --> 01:09:05,975
Speaker 4: It's a lot of wind and rain that's going to

1173
01:09:06,055 --> 01:09:10,095
Speaker 4: dry against that facad every single time we have bad weather,

1174
01:09:10,335 --> 01:09:14,055
Speaker 4: right or in clement weather. So the building has to

1175
01:09:14,175 --> 01:09:18,695
Speaker 4: work so much harder whereas and I understand why because

1176
01:09:18,735 --> 01:09:21,455
Speaker 4: I guess that the safite is considered part of the

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01:09:21,495 --> 01:09:24,295
Speaker 4: footprint of the house, right and so suddenly you'd have

1178
01:09:24,415 --> 01:09:26,815
Speaker 4: to build three hundred million or six hundred mil further

1179
01:09:26,935 --> 01:09:29,295
Speaker 4: in to allow the roof to sit out six hundred mil.

1180
01:09:29,375 --> 01:09:32,295
Speaker 4: But the protection that the safites in the eaves give

1181
01:09:32,335 --> 01:09:36,335
Speaker 4: our buildings shouldn't be underestimated and potentially shading as well.

1182
01:09:36,695 --> 01:09:39,975
Speaker 15: So can I just ask one though, we.

1183
01:09:42,455 --> 01:09:43,135
Speaker 8: Are there any.

1184
01:09:46,015 --> 01:09:49,375
Speaker 15: Set companies that you like, any diy ones that you

1185
01:09:49,455 --> 01:09:52,095
Speaker 15: can buy yourself the components and make it yourself that

1186
01:09:52,215 --> 01:09:52,655
Speaker 15: you know of.

1187
01:09:54,135 --> 01:09:57,255
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know that. I don't think I've ever

1188
01:09:57,335 --> 01:10:00,895
Speaker 4: bought from them, but people like Trade Tested and trade

1189
01:10:00,935 --> 01:10:06,055
Speaker 4: Depot in those sorts of places that jumps to mine. Yeah, okay,

1190
01:10:06,135 --> 01:10:08,055
Speaker 4: now look yourself out mate. All the best.

1191
01:10:09,135 --> 01:10:12,015
Speaker 15: Okay, it's a great, great show. You've got an amazing

1192
01:10:12,055 --> 01:10:14,655
Speaker 15: amount of information and.

1193
01:10:14,735 --> 01:10:17,975
Speaker 4: Yes, and the old Morgan, I'm amazed that it stays

1194
01:10:18,015 --> 01:10:20,735
Speaker 4: there sometimes. Hey, Dave, thanks very much, but all the best,

1195
01:10:21,855 --> 01:10:23,055
Speaker 4: Take care, all the best.

1196
01:10:23,095 --> 01:10:23,455
Speaker 8: By way.

1197
01:10:25,055 --> 01:10:27,735
Speaker 4: Quick text from Andy can a tenant request proof a

1198
01:10:27,815 --> 01:10:30,895
Speaker 4: document that states the health meet the house meets the

1199
01:10:30,975 --> 01:10:33,975
Speaker 4: Healthy Home standard. Thanks from Andy. Yes, I would imagine

1200
01:10:33,975 --> 01:10:38,295
Speaker 4: you could. I think for the last couple of years,

1201
01:10:38,655 --> 01:10:41,415
Speaker 4: a Healthy Homes assessment needs to be attached to the

1202
01:10:41,495 --> 01:10:44,535
Speaker 4: tenancy agreement. So let's say you're one of these tenants

1203
01:10:44,895 --> 01:10:46,775
Speaker 4: where you've been in the house ten or fifteen years.

1204
01:10:46,855 --> 01:10:49,975
Speaker 4: So way before the introduction of the Healthy Home standards,

1205
01:10:51,455 --> 01:10:53,655
Speaker 4: there was for a long time one of the exemptions

1206
01:10:53,815 --> 01:10:56,775
Speaker 4: was if you had a sitting tenant, you didn't need

1207
01:10:56,895 --> 01:11:00,295
Speaker 4: to comply with the Healthy Home standard until a new

1208
01:11:00,415 --> 01:11:03,655
Speaker 4: tenancy started, and lots of people rent for a long

1209
01:11:03,735 --> 01:11:07,455
Speaker 4: time with the same property, so they were exempt. But

1210
01:11:07,655 --> 01:11:09,855
Speaker 4: all of those exemptions are over now. So if you

1211
01:11:09,975 --> 01:11:11,815
Speaker 4: happen to be a sitting tenant, and I was talking

1212
01:11:11,855 --> 01:11:14,855
Speaker 4: to someone yesterday who's exactly in this position, they've rented

1213
01:11:15,175 --> 01:11:21,975
Speaker 4: the same property for thirteen fourteen years, and broadly it complies,

1214
01:11:22,055 --> 01:11:24,175
Speaker 4: but I think there's probably a few things where the

1215
01:11:24,295 --> 01:11:29,255
Speaker 4: landlord doesn't realize that their property doesn't comply anymore with

1216
01:11:29,415 --> 01:11:33,615
Speaker 4: Healthy Home standards. Long term tenant, Yes, they can go back,

1217
01:11:33,855 --> 01:11:37,495
Speaker 4: I think and ask for a copy of the Healthy

1218
01:11:37,615 --> 01:11:41,975
Speaker 4: Homes assessment. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number

1219
01:11:42,015 --> 01:11:44,375
Speaker 4: to call. We'll talk to Ian straight after this break.

1220
01:11:44,695 --> 01:11:48,575
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right The resident

1221
01:11:48,615 --> 01:11:52,295
Speaker 1: Filder with Peter WOLFCAF call OH eight hundred eight youth

1222
01:11:52,335 --> 01:11:52,855
Speaker 1: Talk ZB.

1223
01:11:53,855 --> 01:11:55,295
Speaker 4: I've done a little bit of a search as well,

1224
01:11:55,415 --> 01:11:57,535
Speaker 4: so I use that online tool can I build it

1225
01:11:57,615 --> 01:12:01,175
Speaker 4: dot gov, dot m Z and typed in pergola. Came

1226
01:12:01,255 --> 01:12:04,215
Speaker 4: up with one result and then the next question is

1227
01:12:04,295 --> 01:12:07,375
Speaker 4: does it have a roof? Yes, it does building consent,

1228
01:12:08,935 --> 01:12:11,255
Speaker 4: which to be fair, wasn't what I was expecting. But anyway,

1229
01:12:12,175 --> 01:12:13,895
Speaker 4: then I've had a little bit of an extra search

1230
01:12:14,055 --> 01:12:16,335
Speaker 4: and had a look at, in this case the Auckland

1231
01:12:16,415 --> 01:12:22,255
Speaker 4: Council website. So Dave, they have a tool that allows

1232
01:12:22,375 --> 01:12:26,615
Speaker 4: you to put in a bit more information where you're located,

1233
01:12:26,655 --> 01:12:30,295
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, and takes about ten minutes to complete.

1234
01:12:30,495 --> 01:12:32,135
Speaker 4: So have a look at that. Just search on the

1235
01:12:32,295 --> 01:12:35,975
Speaker 4: Auckland Council dot gov, dot nz website and you might

1236
01:12:36,015 --> 01:12:38,175
Speaker 4: be able to find out a little bit more sort

1237
01:12:38,175 --> 01:12:39,975
Speaker 4: of it's a bit more nuanced, it's a bit more

1238
01:12:40,015 --> 01:12:42,255
Speaker 4: involved to try and figure out whether or not you

1239
01:12:42,335 --> 01:12:44,655
Speaker 4: need a consent for that particular project.

1240
01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:49,735
Speaker 9: Ian, good morning, Good morning, Petter, thank you for your time, pleasure.

1241
01:12:50,695 --> 01:12:53,895
Speaker 9: We've got a two hundred and fifty square meter home

1242
01:12:55,095 --> 01:13:00,535
Speaker 9: brick and tile, and we're selling it the insulation and

1243
01:13:00,655 --> 01:13:04,055
Speaker 9: it is the original installation from two thousand and nine.

1244
01:13:04,895 --> 01:13:06,255
Speaker 9: Am I going to have to upbraid?

1245
01:13:06,935 --> 01:13:06,975
Speaker 13: No?

1246
01:13:08,895 --> 01:13:13,935
Speaker 4: No, So it's a really short answer because the only

1247
01:13:14,055 --> 01:13:18,055
Speaker 4: requirement around the insulation is for healthy homes. Right, So

1248
01:13:18,295 --> 01:13:22,495
Speaker 4: if you are selling a private house, you're selling it

1249
01:13:23,055 --> 01:13:25,295
Speaker 4: basically as as we're as right, it complied with a

1250
01:13:25,335 --> 01:13:27,415
Speaker 4: building code at the time. I presume that if it's

1251
01:13:27,455 --> 01:13:30,735
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, you've had the final inspection, you've

1252
01:13:30,775 --> 01:13:37,135
Speaker 4: got a certificate of code compliance. Then that's it. Now,

1253
01:13:38,775 --> 01:13:42,815
Speaker 4: to slightly complicate things, if, for example, the person who

1254
01:13:43,015 --> 01:13:47,655
Speaker 4: was buying your property is a property investor and intends

1255
01:13:47,735 --> 01:13:51,095
Speaker 4: to rent the property out, they would need to ensure

1256
01:13:51,135 --> 01:13:54,455
Speaker 4: that it complies with a healthy home standard. And just

1257
01:13:54,575 --> 01:13:57,975
Speaker 4: because it passed the final inspection and has a CCC

1258
01:13:58,695 --> 01:14:01,575
Speaker 4: does not mean that it necessarily complies with a healthy

1259
01:14:01,615 --> 01:14:05,575
Speaker 4: home standard. But that's not your problem, that's their problem.

1260
01:14:06,495 --> 01:14:06,815
Speaker 9: Okay.

1261
01:14:07,135 --> 01:14:10,895
Speaker 4: Yeah, so no, there's no requirement for you to upgrade

1262
01:14:11,215 --> 01:14:13,375
Speaker 4: your property in order to sell it.

1263
01:14:14,895 --> 01:14:19,455
Speaker 9: So it's got a tile roof, but there's no membrane

1264
01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:22,335
Speaker 9: between the rafters and the tiles.

1265
01:14:22,415 --> 01:14:22,735
Speaker 4: Correct.

1266
01:14:23,655 --> 01:14:24,775
Speaker 9: Should that be a worry?

1267
01:14:25,175 --> 01:14:27,975
Speaker 4: No, that's common practice and it's still common practice today.

1268
01:14:28,535 --> 01:14:30,895
Speaker 4: So I think it's fifteen degrees. So if you've got

1269
01:14:31,055 --> 01:14:33,375
Speaker 4: a roof that is more than fifteen degrees with the

1270
01:14:33,415 --> 01:14:37,775
Speaker 4: concrete tiles on them, there's no requirement for a roofing underlay.

1271
01:14:38,855 --> 01:14:42,175
Speaker 4: It's only required, and it's very uncommon to see tiles

1272
01:14:42,335 --> 01:14:46,015
Speaker 4: on a roof that's less than fifteen degrees. It would

1273
01:14:46,095 --> 01:14:49,015
Speaker 4: be required there, but no, it's not required even today

1274
01:14:49,055 --> 01:14:49,535
Speaker 4: in the code.

1275
01:14:50,735 --> 01:14:53,375
Speaker 9: Okay, if we're buying a home that was built in

1276
01:14:53,495 --> 01:14:56,455
Speaker 9: two thousand and nine, should I be worried about the

1277
01:14:56,615 --> 01:15:02,455
Speaker 9: copper in it? Two thousand and nine, Sorry, two thousand time.

1278
01:15:06,855 --> 01:15:09,415
Speaker 4: Why would you think there's copper because even in two

1279
01:15:09,415 --> 01:15:13,095
Speaker 4: thousand and five, this is in terms of hot water

1280
01:15:13,535 --> 01:15:17,575
Speaker 4: reticulation or just water reticulation in general.

1281
01:15:18,775 --> 01:15:20,935
Speaker 9: We had a building report done and the guy has

1282
01:15:21,055 --> 01:15:23,215
Speaker 9: come back saying, you need your plumber to look at

1283
01:15:23,295 --> 01:15:30,775
Speaker 9: it because there's a repair that's been done to copper pipe.

1284
01:15:32,055 --> 01:15:39,495
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean the there was a cave or there

1285
01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:42,455
Speaker 4: were several cases a few years ago and when I

1286
01:15:42,575 --> 01:15:44,255
Speaker 4: say a few years ago, it could be like five

1287
01:15:44,295 --> 01:15:48,455
Speaker 4: to fifteen years ago where there was a batch of

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01:15:48,575 --> 01:15:51,375
Speaker 4: copper that came into the country that turned out to

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01:15:51,535 --> 01:15:55,775
Speaker 4: have the wall was thinner than required, right, and so

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01:15:55,895 --> 01:15:59,055
Speaker 4: there were a number of leaks from that. Then if

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01:15:59,095 --> 01:16:04,055
Speaker 4: you go back to the nineties, there was Duck's Quest plumbing,

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01:16:05,095 --> 01:16:08,575
Speaker 4: which has even to fail a lot. So if it's

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01:16:08,655 --> 01:16:12,295
Speaker 4: a black plastic piping with a sort of copper elbow

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01:16:12,415 --> 01:16:17,095
Speaker 4: on it Duck's Quest, that is genuinely a problem. And

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01:16:17,335 --> 01:16:21,535
Speaker 4: if it hasn't been replaced, you know eventually it'll fail somewhere.

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01:16:22,855 --> 01:16:27,615
Speaker 4: But copper, that's unlikely. Look, if the building, the pre

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01:16:27,735 --> 01:16:30,335
Speaker 4: purchase inspector has picked up something that you think is

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01:16:30,655 --> 01:16:33,935
Speaker 4: you know, a genuine concern, then yeah, by all means

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01:16:33,975 --> 01:16:35,295
Speaker 4: get a plumber to have a look at it. But

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01:16:35,455 --> 01:16:39,015
Speaker 4: you know, again, the plumber who did the work, they

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01:16:39,015 --> 01:16:41,695
Speaker 4: are self certifying, right, so they should have done the

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01:16:41,735 --> 01:16:44,735
Speaker 4: work in accordance with best practice, and so you'd like

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01:16:44,855 --> 01:16:48,215
Speaker 4: to be reasonably confident that the repair will be of

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01:16:48,335 --> 01:16:54,415
Speaker 4: a professional standard. Okay, yeah, right, no trouble at all. No,

1305
01:16:54,535 --> 01:16:57,415
Speaker 4: they're great questions, really appreciate and good luck with the process.

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01:16:58,495 --> 01:17:00,415
Speaker 4: Thank you all the best to you and take care.

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01:17:01,855 --> 01:17:05,735
Speaker 4: Now remember in the next hour we're going to change

1308
01:17:05,775 --> 01:17:08,655
Speaker 4: gear a little bit. But Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer,

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01:17:08,855 --> 01:17:11,895
Speaker 4: a lawyer who specializes in cross lease, is going to

1310
01:17:11,975 --> 01:17:16,135
Speaker 4: be on the phone with us after eight o'clock. I've

1311
01:17:16,175 --> 01:17:18,255
Speaker 4: already got a bunch of texts that I might have

1312
01:17:18,455 --> 01:17:20,455
Speaker 4: room for a couple more, but please don't be offended

1313
01:17:20,455 --> 01:17:22,015
Speaker 4: if I don't get to your text The whole point

1314
01:17:22,055 --> 01:17:23,775
Speaker 4: he joined us a couple of months ago on the

1315
01:17:23,775 --> 01:17:26,975
Speaker 4: show to get him back is to answer texts. So

1316
01:17:27,175 --> 01:17:32,455
Speaker 4: if you've got a specific, hopefully concise question around a

1317
01:17:32,535 --> 01:17:36,575
Speaker 4: cross lease issue, Ben will have a crack at answering that.

1318
01:17:36,895 --> 01:17:40,255
Speaker 4: And I can't think of a more qualified person to

1319
01:17:40,335 --> 01:17:42,055
Speaker 4: talk to than him, So really looking forward to that.

1320
01:17:42,175 --> 01:17:44,575
Speaker 4: That's in the next half hour of the show, after

1321
01:17:44,695 --> 01:17:47,415
Speaker 4: the news at eight o'clock, and thereafter, of course we're

1322
01:17:47,415 --> 01:17:49,335
Speaker 4: into the garden with the red client passed. From eight

1323
01:17:49,335 --> 01:17:50,895
Speaker 4: point thirty, we'll come back and have a chat with

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01:17:51,015 --> 01:17:51,935
Speaker 4: Joy in just a moment.

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01:17:53,535 --> 01:17:56,975
Speaker 1: God was but maybe call Pete first. Vida Wolfcaf the

1326
01:17:57,175 --> 01:17:58,975
Speaker 1: resident builder. News Talk said, b.

1327
01:18:00,535 --> 01:18:02,295
Speaker 4: Write your own news Talk said, be you remember New

1328
01:18:02,335 --> 01:18:04,375
Speaker 4: Sport and weare the top of the are at eight o'clock.

1329
01:18:04,415 --> 01:18:07,455
Speaker 4: But before then, joy, very good morning to you.

1330
01:18:08,895 --> 01:18:12,615
Speaker 16: Hell okay, I've got a for mic a bench that's

1331
01:18:13,655 --> 01:18:17,135
Speaker 16: that's about twenty years old. It's a dark stone type lock,

1332
01:18:17,775 --> 01:18:20,415
Speaker 16: but around the stunt bench it's lost its glossed and

1333
01:18:20,455 --> 01:18:21,895
Speaker 16: it's sort of gone a bit white.

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01:18:22,455 --> 01:18:22,615
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:18:23,975 --> 01:18:26,255
Speaker 16: Is there a product that can go on that to

1336
01:18:26,335 --> 01:18:28,415
Speaker 16: bring that back to life and match the rest of it?

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01:18:29,575 --> 01:18:34,535
Speaker 4: I wouldn't think so, because essentially what's happened is, you know,

1338
01:18:34,655 --> 01:18:37,975
Speaker 4: four Mica has got a veneer on it, right, so

1339
01:18:38,375 --> 01:18:42,535
Speaker 4: it's probably the actual veneer that's worn away rather than

1340
01:18:42,775 --> 01:18:45,935
Speaker 4: just kind of being dulled, it's actually literally worn away.

1341
01:18:46,215 --> 01:18:49,135
Speaker 4: And you know you can imagine right next to the

1342
01:18:49,175 --> 01:18:52,215
Speaker 4: sink is a high use area. So after that amount

1343
01:18:52,255 --> 01:18:58,095
Speaker 4: of time, what you could I was going to say,

1344
01:18:58,655 --> 01:19:02,535
Speaker 4: I mean, is the bench installed in such a way

1345
01:19:02,615 --> 01:19:06,175
Speaker 4: that it's could be dismounted like taken out.

1346
01:19:08,015 --> 01:19:10,055
Speaker 16: It could do, but it's got it's quite a long

1347
01:19:10,095 --> 01:19:10,735
Speaker 16: bench because.

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01:19:10,535 --> 01:19:14,535
Speaker 4: It's yea and is there a splashback that comes down

1349
01:19:14,615 --> 01:19:18,575
Speaker 4: onto it and all that sort of thing? Well side panels? Okay,

1350
01:19:22,335 --> 01:19:24,735
Speaker 4: in terms of restoring it No, I don't think there's

1351
01:19:24,775 --> 01:19:30,695
Speaker 4: anything could you see? And the concern is always if

1352
01:19:30,735 --> 01:19:33,575
Speaker 4: you try and like paint it or resurface it, it's

1353
01:19:33,655 --> 01:19:36,055
Speaker 4: whether or not at bonds and is as durable as

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01:19:36,095 --> 01:19:40,215
Speaker 4: four micro and for Micah generally as durable. Look, I

1355
01:19:40,295 --> 01:19:42,975
Speaker 4: think the short answer is probably it's reached the end

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01:19:43,055 --> 01:19:47,135
Speaker 4: of its serviceable life. You could take it in and

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01:19:47,255 --> 01:19:49,775
Speaker 4: have it resurfaced, as in a new layer of four

1358
01:19:49,815 --> 01:19:52,175
Speaker 4: micro over the top. But I don't know many for

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01:19:52,335 --> 01:19:55,215
Speaker 4: Micah bench top people that would be happy doing that

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01:19:55,375 --> 01:20:00,695
Speaker 4: to a substrate that they haven't prepared themselves. Yeah, I

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01:20:00,815 --> 01:20:02,495
Speaker 4: think it just might be at the end of its life.

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01:20:04,135 --> 01:20:06,015
Speaker 4: Thank you, Things get worn out. Sorry to be the

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01:20:06,095 --> 01:20:10,535
Speaker 4: bear a bad tidings. All right, all the best you

1364
01:20:10,655 --> 01:20:14,895
Speaker 4: join you take care. I mean I've had for micro

1365
01:20:14,935 --> 01:20:19,455
Speaker 4: adhead to substrates like thick ploid benches and that sort

1366
01:20:19,455 --> 01:20:24,335
Speaker 4: of thing. Yes, so it could be resurfaced. Quick story

1367
01:20:25,215 --> 01:20:29,215
Speaker 4: before we go to the news. So on Thursday or evening,

1368
01:20:29,255 --> 01:20:31,735
Speaker 4: about eight thirty nine o'clock, I get a phone call

1369
01:20:31,855 --> 01:20:34,855
Speaker 4: from a person that manages a property that I look

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01:20:34,895 --> 01:20:38,095
Speaker 4: after going there is no hot water. Thursday night was

1371
01:20:38,135 --> 01:20:41,375
Speaker 4: a pretty miserable night. Friday was even worse, and Auckland

1372
01:20:41,455 --> 01:20:43,215
Speaker 4: that was much worse around the rest of the country.

1373
01:20:43,615 --> 01:20:46,735
Speaker 4: So anyway, we went there on Thursday night, met the

1374
01:20:46,735 --> 01:20:48,895
Speaker 4: people who are in the house, apologized for the fact

1375
01:20:48,935 --> 01:20:52,535
Speaker 4: that they had no hot water. Rang one of my

1376
01:20:52,655 --> 01:20:54,375
Speaker 4: plumbers who said, yeah, I can be there later in

1377
01:20:54,415 --> 01:20:57,215
Speaker 4: the afternoon. Rang another plumber that I know and said,

1378
01:20:58,015 --> 01:21:00,655
Speaker 4: because he's a gas specialist, Hey, this is the issue.

1379
01:21:00,735 --> 01:21:03,615
Speaker 4: I'm under pressure. Can you help me out? Yep, I'll

1380
01:21:03,695 --> 01:21:06,615
Speaker 4: send Levi round. He'll be there at about nine o'clock morning.

1381
01:21:06,695 --> 01:21:09,095
Speaker 4: Had a look at the cylinder. Cylinder. You know, it's

1382
01:21:09,215 --> 01:21:11,895
Speaker 4: Califhont right, so an external water heater, gas water heater.

1383
01:21:14,615 --> 01:21:16,735
Speaker 4: I've got the receipt for it. It's I bought it

1384
01:21:16,855 --> 01:21:21,815
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, November twenty nineteen, so not that old anyway.

1385
01:21:21,975 --> 01:21:24,655
Speaker 4: Dead dead is a doornail. Nothing you can do to

1386
01:21:24,735 --> 01:21:26,455
Speaker 4: fix it, right, What am I going to do? Well,

1387
01:21:26,535 --> 01:21:28,055
Speaker 4: we can put a new one in great, Can you

1388
01:21:28,135 --> 01:21:31,655
Speaker 4: do it today? Yep. I'll phone film a boss and

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01:21:31,895 --> 01:21:34,175
Speaker 4: we'll get something sorted out. Phil hops in the truck

1390
01:21:34,295 --> 01:21:37,615
Speaker 4: goes down, buys a brand new RINAI twenty six liter

1391
01:21:38,215 --> 01:21:42,655
Speaker 4: gas Califont turns up, makes the adjustments, gets it fitted

1392
01:21:42,775 --> 01:21:46,175
Speaker 4: sorted out. So Phil read from Gas Serve. Thank you, mate,

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01:21:46,255 --> 01:21:49,575
Speaker 4: You've saved my bacon on a number of occasions, but

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01:21:49,655 --> 01:21:53,695
Speaker 4: on particular coming out on a miserable grotty day during

1395
01:21:53,775 --> 01:21:58,215
Speaker 4: school holidays, dragging your son with you. I did bribe

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01:21:58,255 --> 01:22:02,535
Speaker 4: them with coffee and slices of chocolate brownie, which seemed

1397
01:22:02,535 --> 01:22:04,695
Speaker 4: to go quite well given it was a miserable old

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01:22:04,775 --> 01:22:08,255
Speaker 4: day on Friday. But again, Phil Reid, who I've known.

1399
01:22:08,615 --> 01:22:11,535
Speaker 4: He was an apprentice working for a local plumber when

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01:22:11,575 --> 01:22:16,935
Speaker 4: I first met him thirty odd years ago. Probably fantastic guy.

1401
01:22:17,015 --> 01:22:19,095
Speaker 4: So gas Serve dot co dot Nz. If you need

1402
01:22:19,575 --> 01:22:23,655
Speaker 4: underfloor heating and reticated gas central heating, he's the man

1403
01:22:23,735 --> 01:22:26,535
Speaker 4: to talk to. That's Gas Serve. Look him up online.

1404
01:22:26,655 --> 01:22:35,655
Speaker 4: Thanks PHILP really appreciate it. My hero for the day. Radio.

1405
01:22:35,735 --> 01:22:38,735
Speaker 4: We're back with Ben Thompson straight after the news at

1406
01:22:38,815 --> 01:22:40,615
Speaker 4: eight o'clock. We're talking cross.

1407
01:22:40,375 --> 01:22:44,015
Speaker 1: Leases, doing up the house, sorting the guard and asked

1408
01:22:44,055 --> 01:22:47,855
Speaker 1: Pete for ahead the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap Call.

1409
01:22:49,535 --> 01:23:02,535
Speaker 4: News Talks. Isaiah, my producer has found by list of

1410
01:23:02,655 --> 01:23:06,495
Speaker 4: paper songs and eventually will work through them to be

1411
01:23:06,655 --> 01:23:08,935
Speaker 4: like a bit of added ender. Well, a very good morning,

1412
01:23:08,975 --> 01:23:11,895
Speaker 4: welcome along to the show. It is six minutes after

1413
01:23:12,055 --> 01:23:14,495
Speaker 4: eight here at News Talk Set B. At eight thirty

1414
01:23:14,495 --> 01:23:16,655
Speaker 4: we're going to jump into the garden with red climb pass.

1415
01:23:17,295 --> 01:23:21,815
Speaker 4: But right now an opportunity to invite back a previous

1416
01:23:22,055 --> 01:23:25,215
Speaker 4: guest who joined us a little while ago to talk

1417
01:23:25,255 --> 01:23:29,095
Speaker 4: about cross leases. A very good morning, Ben, Hi be

1418
01:23:29,255 --> 01:23:33,335
Speaker 4: good morning, So Ben Thompson, you're with Pigeon Judge. And

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01:23:33,495 --> 01:23:36,255
Speaker 4: when I first rang you, I said, do you know

1420
01:23:36,375 --> 01:23:39,455
Speaker 4: much about cross leases? And your comment was, well, look,

1421
01:23:39,455 --> 01:23:41,895
Speaker 4: I've just presented to the Law Society and I thought, right,

1422
01:23:42,255 --> 01:23:44,655
Speaker 4: nuff set, let's crack into this. You're an expert on this.

1423
01:23:44,975 --> 01:23:47,655
Speaker 4: And when we spoke last time, just kind of a

1424
01:23:47,775 --> 01:23:50,975
Speaker 4: general background. What is cross leases? Where did they come from?

1425
01:23:51,175 --> 01:23:54,415
Speaker 4: What's a defective title? These sorts of things. We got

1426
01:23:54,655 --> 01:24:00,415
Speaker 4: a truckload of text messages, so if it's okay with you,

1427
01:24:01,095 --> 01:24:03,575
Speaker 4: I'm going to try and not do anything but read

1428
01:24:03,655 --> 01:24:07,295
Speaker 4: out text messages from callers who in Texters who have

1429
01:24:07,415 --> 01:24:10,535
Speaker 4: been texting in since just after six this morning, and

1430
01:24:10,655 --> 01:24:15,255
Speaker 4: we're going to go rapid fire responses to this. Bearing

1431
01:24:15,335 --> 01:24:18,335
Speaker 4: in mind, what's the standard disclaimer from lawyers that appear

1432
01:24:18,375 --> 01:24:20,175
Speaker 4: on the radio. You know, this shouldn't be seen as

1433
01:24:20,215 --> 01:24:22,655
Speaker 4: specific legal advice to your lawyer, et cetera.

1434
01:24:23,975 --> 01:24:25,655
Speaker 8: That's right, it's obviously generic.

1435
01:24:25,775 --> 01:24:25,975
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1436
01:24:26,095 --> 01:24:28,015
Speaker 8: No, no one cross lease is going to be the

1437
01:24:28,095 --> 01:24:31,535
Speaker 8: same in terms of each individual least potentially going to

1438
01:24:31,575 --> 01:24:34,295
Speaker 8: be different. But you're happy to help with the general

1439
01:24:34,335 --> 01:24:36,015
Speaker 8: inquiries that are coming in brilliant.

1440
01:24:36,615 --> 01:24:39,055
Speaker 4: In fact, I went to look at a property on

1441
01:24:39,495 --> 01:24:41,655
Speaker 4: Friday in the pouring rain and it was a cross

1442
01:24:41,735 --> 01:24:43,895
Speaker 4: lease one and attached to the property file was the

1443
01:24:43,975 --> 01:24:47,415
Speaker 4: cross leaf. So what you're saying is that each individual

1444
01:24:47,495 --> 01:24:51,135
Speaker 4: agreement can slightly differ from one to the other.

1445
01:24:52,095 --> 01:24:56,095
Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely, so cross leases, the relevant cross lease for

1446
01:24:56,095 --> 01:24:59,215
Speaker 8: that particular property potentially is entirely unique. I mean they're

1447
01:24:59,255 --> 01:25:02,815
Speaker 8: based on most cases, they're based on a standard precedent. Yes,

1448
01:25:02,975 --> 01:25:06,215
Speaker 8: And of that precedent, there's maybe five or six iterations

1449
01:25:06,375 --> 01:25:08,575
Speaker 8: that came out of various periods since cross lease has

1450
01:25:08,615 --> 01:25:11,575
Speaker 8: started to come into play. We're currently on one that

1451
01:25:11,695 --> 01:25:15,735
Speaker 8: came out, you know, several years ago. But yeah, first,

1452
01:25:15,735 --> 01:25:17,415
Speaker 8: so firstly you've got to ask them which version of

1453
01:25:17,495 --> 01:25:20,295
Speaker 8: which cross lease that you're on, and then potentially the

1454
01:25:20,375 --> 01:25:24,015
Speaker 8: lawyer that registers it, you know, often will have deleted clause,

1455
01:25:24,015 --> 01:25:26,735
Speaker 8: has added things in that right, particularly you're nique to

1456
01:25:26,775 --> 01:25:29,895
Speaker 8: your cross lease. So whilst some of this stuff is

1457
01:25:30,055 --> 01:25:32,495
Speaker 8: general and applies across the board, you always need to

1458
01:25:32,535 --> 01:25:34,455
Speaker 8: go back and look specifically at the cross lease of

1459
01:25:34,535 --> 01:25:35,575
Speaker 8: the property that you're dealing with.

1460
01:25:36,895 --> 01:25:39,815
Speaker 4: Which if you're purchasing a property that is cross lease,

1461
01:25:40,055 --> 01:25:42,095
Speaker 4: you you would want to make sure that someone takes

1462
01:25:42,135 --> 01:25:44,215
Speaker 4: the time to read through that very keirefully.

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01:25:45,175 --> 01:25:48,575
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Yeah. But what's what I've seen quite often is

1464
01:25:49,255 --> 01:25:52,655
Speaker 8: people will assume perhaps that they're the garden area their

1465
01:25:52,695 --> 01:25:56,855
Speaker 8: exclusive use areas. Then you set up correctly, but it's certainly,

1466
01:25:57,495 --> 01:25:59,695
Speaker 8: maybe not common, but certainly something we've seen quite a

1467
01:25:59,775 --> 01:26:03,135
Speaker 8: bit that that hasn't been the case. And so someone

1468
01:26:03,215 --> 01:26:05,415
Speaker 8: thinks they've got their private, fenced off garden area and

1469
01:26:05,455 --> 01:26:07,615
Speaker 8: that's their exclusive use, but the way that the cross

1470
01:26:07,655 --> 01:26:09,855
Speaker 8: lease had created actually means that that isn't the case,

1471
01:26:10,095 --> 01:26:12,215
Speaker 8: and it's technically common property and there would be nothing

1472
01:26:12,255 --> 01:26:15,895
Speaker 8: stopping the neighbor coming in there. I've also seen situations

1473
01:26:15,935 --> 01:26:18,935
Speaker 8: where they've sort of mislabeled, so they've they've tried to

1474
01:26:19,015 --> 01:26:21,335
Speaker 8: create it exclusively, but they've labeled one A and one

1475
01:26:21,415 --> 01:26:23,535
Speaker 8: bing have got it the wrong way around. So one

1476
01:26:23,575 --> 01:26:25,655
Speaker 8: hundred percent when you're buying, you do need to get

1477
01:26:25,735 --> 01:26:29,055
Speaker 8: the proper adviias to review and look into these things

1478
01:26:29,455 --> 01:26:32,375
Speaker 8: to make sure it's all all okay before you push

1479
01:26:32,455 --> 01:26:33,295
Speaker 8: go right.

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01:26:34,335 --> 01:26:37,095
Speaker 4: That's awesome, all right, let's rip into these ticks simple

1481
01:26:37,175 --> 01:26:39,935
Speaker 4: one hopefully to start with. Should cross lease units have

1482
01:26:40,135 --> 01:26:41,375
Speaker 4: separate water meters?

1483
01:26:44,895 --> 01:26:47,175
Speaker 8: Well, in the perfect world, yes, but if you bear

1484
01:26:47,175 --> 01:26:51,295
Speaker 8: in mind what they're effectively a form of evading subdivision

1485
01:26:51,335 --> 01:26:54,695
Speaker 8: walls prior to the Resource Management Act in ninety one yep.

1486
01:26:54,895 --> 01:26:57,695
Speaker 8: So as part of that, the way they would develop

1487
01:26:57,855 --> 01:27:01,055
Speaker 8: means that often the utilities is shared between the cross

1488
01:27:01,095 --> 01:27:04,415
Speaker 8: leash units, so they were still considered one property originally

1489
01:27:04,615 --> 01:27:07,055
Speaker 8: even though they had the separate you know, unit leases

1490
01:27:07,135 --> 01:27:12,055
Speaker 8: within them, and so the situation might often be that

1491
01:27:12,135 --> 01:27:16,615
Speaker 8: these utilities are shared and communal. Going forward, if someone

1492
01:27:16,695 --> 01:27:18,935
Speaker 8: wanted to create a cross lease now it's termed the

1493
01:27:19,015 --> 01:27:23,015
Speaker 8: form of subdivision council, would require separate utilities. Likewise, if

1494
01:27:23,055 --> 01:27:25,135
Speaker 8: you wanted to convert to THEE simple, which would be

1495
01:27:25,215 --> 01:27:28,615
Speaker 8: recommended for a lot of people, especially standalone houses, you

1496
01:27:28,735 --> 01:27:32,015
Speaker 8: have to get those separate water meters and utilities put in.

1497
01:27:32,215 --> 01:27:35,895
Speaker 8: But yeah, historically there's probably quite a few situations where

1498
01:27:36,095 --> 01:27:38,855
Speaker 8: that's not case and they are shared. But with the

1499
01:27:38,935 --> 01:27:41,695
Speaker 8: consent of your cross lease neighbor, you could approach them

1500
01:27:41,735 --> 01:27:43,495
Speaker 8: and say, we want to do this. But obviously it's

1501
01:27:43,495 --> 01:27:45,095
Speaker 8: going to be cost to that. But it would obviously

1502
01:27:46,055 --> 01:27:47,695
Speaker 8: just step in the right direction because if you do

1503
01:27:47,855 --> 01:27:49,415
Speaker 8: do that, then it's going to make it easier to

1504
01:27:49,455 --> 01:27:52,175
Speaker 8: separate out into fee simple down the track, which is

1505
01:27:52,175 --> 01:27:53,815
Speaker 8: obviously a desirable thing to do as well.

1506
01:27:54,895 --> 01:27:57,415
Speaker 4: Now that raises actually the next question, which has a

1507
01:27:57,575 --> 01:28:01,455
Speaker 4: questioned for being can you change a cross lease title

1508
01:28:01,535 --> 01:28:05,575
Speaker 4: to a free hold title in approximately what are the

1509
01:28:05,655 --> 01:28:06,255
Speaker 4: costs involved?

1510
01:28:07,575 --> 01:28:11,175
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yes, you can certain trust these properties are

1511
01:28:11,215 --> 01:28:13,815
Speaker 8: going to be better suited than others because bear in

1512
01:28:13,895 --> 01:28:16,055
Speaker 8: minds a lot of cross this as people are thinking

1513
01:28:16,055 --> 01:28:19,255
Speaker 8: about as probably like those two or three separate houses

1514
01:28:19,295 --> 01:28:22,415
Speaker 8: that are on the same driveway, separate buildings, all of

1515
01:28:22,455 --> 01:28:25,455
Speaker 8: those situations going to be simple with a right of

1516
01:28:25,495 --> 01:28:28,535
Speaker 8: ways and over the driveway would be perfect. But there

1517
01:28:28,575 --> 01:28:31,055
Speaker 8: are cross leases that are more like apartment buildings. They

1518
01:28:31,095 --> 01:28:33,855
Speaker 8: might even be multi layered apartment buildings. I'm not advising

1519
01:28:33,935 --> 01:28:36,295
Speaker 8: one not too long ago over a narrow neck. I

1520
01:28:36,375 --> 01:28:38,255
Speaker 8: think it was sixteen units and it was sort of

1521
01:28:38,335 --> 01:28:40,215
Speaker 8: two stories high, and I didn't have one in Commaramo

1522
01:28:40,335 --> 01:28:43,695
Speaker 8: about four story side. So those ones are never likely

1523
01:28:43,775 --> 01:28:46,535
Speaker 8: to be good be simple because of they're all sharing

1524
01:28:46,535 --> 01:28:48,375
Speaker 8: the same buildings, so they would be better to convert

1525
01:28:48,455 --> 01:28:51,455
Speaker 8: to unit titles or a body corporate. But coming back

1526
01:28:51,455 --> 01:28:54,495
Speaker 8: to the sort of more you know, the straightforward conversion,

1527
01:28:55,055 --> 01:28:58,295
Speaker 8: then yes, you can do it unanimously by consent, So

1528
01:28:58,375 --> 01:29:00,855
Speaker 8: if all of the owners agree, you can do it.

1529
01:29:01,055 --> 01:29:04,575
Speaker 8: If they don't agree, it becomes more difficult, and ultimately,

1530
01:29:04,695 --> 01:29:06,575
Speaker 8: if you really really wanted to do it, you can

1531
01:29:06,695 --> 01:29:08,895
Speaker 8: make an application for the court under the Property Law

1532
01:29:08,975 --> 01:29:12,215
Speaker 8: Act for separation, but that's got a clear bit of

1533
01:29:12,295 --> 01:29:16,535
Speaker 8: expense and delay and the stress of litigation. If everyone's

1534
01:29:16,655 --> 01:29:18,815
Speaker 8: agreeable and you're just wanting to do it, you know,

1535
01:29:19,655 --> 01:29:23,135
Speaker 8: in the sort of conventional way. The legal costs to

1536
01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:27,175
Speaker 8: separate the title aren't actually a significant as people might imagine,

1537
01:29:27,215 --> 01:29:30,735
Speaker 8: because really you're just surrendering the existing leases, applying for

1538
01:29:30,855 --> 01:29:33,655
Speaker 8: new titles, discharging the mortgages, and reregistering them. So I

1539
01:29:33,735 --> 01:29:36,215
Speaker 8: think generally for a two or three unit costs lease

1540
01:29:36,415 --> 01:29:38,375
Speaker 8: there might be no more than about five thousand dollars

1541
01:29:38,415 --> 01:29:42,255
Speaker 8: plus GST and any fees, but the greater expense will

1542
01:29:42,295 --> 01:29:45,255
Speaker 8: be the surveying and the council content fees. So we

1543
01:29:45,335 --> 01:29:47,215
Speaker 8: need to get like the input of a surveyor to

1544
01:29:47,295 --> 01:29:50,175
Speaker 8: sort of confirm exactly what you know drawing up the

1545
01:29:50,255 --> 01:29:53,175
Speaker 8: new title plan. Would be how much council would charge

1546
01:29:53,335 --> 01:29:55,575
Speaker 8: because they have to sign off on it as well.

1547
01:29:56,135 --> 01:29:59,975
Speaker 8: But in my experience, again that is greater than legal fees,

1548
01:30:00,135 --> 01:30:04,135
Speaker 8: maybe ten to fifteen. So all up, there's someone budgets

1549
01:30:04,135 --> 01:30:08,615
Speaker 8: around twenty thousand plus GSC. It's fairly realistic, and like

1550
01:30:08,695 --> 01:30:10,735
Speaker 8: I said, it's splitting up between three or four units

1551
01:30:11,335 --> 01:30:14,015
Speaker 8: five six thousand dollars each. It's actually quite quite a

1552
01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:16,575
Speaker 8: good value add to the property, I would say, because

1553
01:30:16,615 --> 01:30:18,575
Speaker 8: when people are looking the purchase property, if it's a

1554
01:30:18,655 --> 01:30:21,775
Speaker 8: fee simple no cross lease, they're normally willing to pay

1555
01:30:21,775 --> 01:30:23,575
Speaker 8: a bit more than if it was a cross this property.

1556
01:30:23,895 --> 01:30:27,935
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, great, Marina Pete. Can a new

1557
01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:30,295
Speaker 4: neighbor put up a fence on the boundary of a

1558
01:30:30,375 --> 01:30:34,535
Speaker 4: cross lease section without first getting consent from each owner

1559
01:30:34,975 --> 01:30:36,375
Speaker 4: of the crossley sections?

1560
01:30:37,575 --> 01:30:37,775
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1561
01:30:37,855 --> 01:30:41,015
Speaker 8: Not normally. So most cross leases have a clause that

1562
01:30:41,135 --> 01:30:44,095
Speaker 8: says you're not allowed to make any structural alterations to

1563
01:30:44,855 --> 01:30:47,775
Speaker 8: the property. But that clause in most cross leases also

1564
01:30:47,855 --> 01:30:50,975
Speaker 8: refers to fences as well, and so it requires you

1565
01:30:51,095 --> 01:30:53,535
Speaker 8: to get the consent of the cross lease neighbors. And

1566
01:30:53,655 --> 01:30:56,735
Speaker 8: there's normally a qualification that says that consent can't be

1567
01:30:56,815 --> 01:31:01,535
Speaker 8: unreasonably would held or delayed. So yeah, and the most

1568
01:31:01,575 --> 01:31:04,415
Speaker 8: cross lease wordings, they would be required to get the consent.

1569
01:31:04,855 --> 01:31:06,735
Speaker 8: But then if you turn it on balls on the

1570
01:31:06,775 --> 01:31:09,255
Speaker 8: other foot, it's like, can the neighbor with whole consent? Well,

1571
01:31:09,615 --> 01:31:11,855
Speaker 8: if it's just a normal fence, like you know, the

1572
01:31:12,215 --> 01:31:15,335
Speaker 8: co compliant not too high sort of for the relevant

1573
01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:17,135
Speaker 8: area it's in. So I think you probably know better

1574
01:31:17,135 --> 01:31:18,775
Speaker 8: than IP is about one point eight meters.

1575
01:31:18,815 --> 01:31:20,255
Speaker 4: It's pretty standard, pretty standard in.

1576
01:31:20,255 --> 01:31:22,935
Speaker 8: A sort of urban environment. If someone's proposing a normal

1577
01:31:23,015 --> 01:31:25,455
Speaker 8: one point eight fence on the boundary within the cross lease,

1578
01:31:25,775 --> 01:31:28,975
Speaker 8: it would be pretty difficult to withhold your consent reasonably,

1579
01:31:29,375 --> 01:31:31,615
Speaker 8: if you know. But if they're looking to put something

1580
01:31:31,655 --> 01:31:33,975
Speaker 8: in there that possibly is a bit too big or

1581
01:31:34,215 --> 01:31:37,135
Speaker 8: you know, has some kind of design feature that's impacting

1582
01:31:37,175 --> 01:31:39,375
Speaker 8: the neighbor. Then fair enough, they might need to negotiate.

1583
01:31:39,455 --> 01:31:41,535
Speaker 8: But so the answer to the question is yes, they

1584
01:31:41,535 --> 01:31:42,255
Speaker 8: should have got consent.

1585
01:31:42,375 --> 01:31:45,375
Speaker 4: I think from a from a practical point of view,

1586
01:31:45,615 --> 01:31:47,695
Speaker 4: how do you enforce reasonableness?

1587
01:31:48,935 --> 01:31:56,095
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's the lawyers make their money. Unfortunately, there's

1588
01:31:56,135 --> 01:31:59,095
Speaker 8: a bit of case law available to us, and most

1589
01:31:59,135 --> 01:32:02,455
Speaker 8: cross these disputes are decided by arbitrations. That's a private

1590
01:32:03,215 --> 01:32:05,895
Speaker 8: dispute resolution mechanism, so we don't get to see all

1591
01:32:05,895 --> 01:32:08,175
Speaker 8: the judge. But in the last few years there have

1592
01:32:08,335 --> 01:32:10,335
Speaker 8: been quite a few major cases that have gone through

1593
01:32:10,375 --> 01:32:12,375
Speaker 8: the courts which have given us a bit of a

1594
01:32:12,455 --> 01:32:15,935
Speaker 8: steer on what is reason or not reasonable. Prior to

1595
01:32:16,015 --> 01:32:18,215
Speaker 8: these cases, which only came out in the last two years,

1596
01:32:18,255 --> 01:32:20,575
Speaker 8: there was a test coming from the early nineties and

1597
01:32:20,655 --> 01:32:24,255
Speaker 8: it said anything more than a trifling detriment you could

1598
01:32:24,335 --> 01:32:28,855
Speaker 8: reasonably hold your consent. Now the words trifling detriment they don't.

1599
01:32:29,215 --> 01:32:33,015
Speaker 8: That really is a very low threshold. I mean, you know,

1600
01:32:33,135 --> 01:32:35,295
Speaker 8: if someone was to do something with their property to

1601
01:32:35,415 --> 01:32:39,775
Speaker 8: cause you a trifling effect, it's quite minor. But fortunately

1602
01:32:40,175 --> 01:32:42,615
Speaker 8: the test has kind of moved on in these recent

1603
01:32:42,735 --> 01:32:45,095
Speaker 8: cases and it sort of has to be certainly more

1604
01:32:45,215 --> 01:32:48,175
Speaker 8: significant with like a sort of material impact on the neighbor,

1605
01:32:49,095 --> 01:32:51,695
Speaker 8: and then that's where we find the reasonableness. Now, So

1606
01:32:52,335 --> 01:32:54,695
Speaker 8: things that, for example, at a practical level, if they're

1607
01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:58,295
Speaker 8: going to impact someone's privacy or their sunlight or their

1608
01:32:58,415 --> 01:33:01,495
Speaker 8: view in like a material way, then that would be

1609
01:33:01,535 --> 01:33:04,375
Speaker 8: something you could reasonably withhold your consent. But if the

1610
01:33:04,655 --> 01:33:07,415
Speaker 8: works that are being proposed are really having a fairly

1611
01:33:07,495 --> 01:33:09,575
Speaker 8: much yeah, they have an impact, but it's fairly minor,

1612
01:33:09,695 --> 01:33:12,655
Speaker 8: it's not really trading one of those problems, then I

1613
01:33:12,735 --> 01:33:16,015
Speaker 8: don't think it's sustainable to withhold your fullcent anymore.

1614
01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:20,855
Speaker 4: Okay, the quick one before the break. This person is

1615
01:33:20,935 --> 01:33:24,535
Speaker 4: on a cross lease title with an adjoined unit. There

1616
01:33:24,655 --> 01:33:27,655
Speaker 4: is only two on the on the property. When we

1617
01:33:27,775 --> 01:33:30,735
Speaker 4: brought the property, we understood that there was an issue

1618
01:33:31,815 --> 01:33:35,775
Speaker 4: with the title around common ground shared ground if you will,

1619
01:33:35,855 --> 01:33:38,895
Speaker 4: And just wondering if we go to sell because there's

1620
01:33:38,975 --> 01:33:42,575
Speaker 4: no exclusive use zones on the property, do we need

1621
01:33:42,655 --> 01:33:44,815
Speaker 4: to get that sorted and what would be the best

1622
01:33:44,895 --> 01:33:48,895
Speaker 4: way to do that. So again, is this not uncommon

1623
01:33:48,935 --> 01:33:51,775
Speaker 4: that there's no exclusive use and how would you make

1624
01:33:51,935 --> 01:33:53,095
Speaker 4: something exclusive use?

1625
01:33:54,175 --> 01:33:56,655
Speaker 8: Like I said, yeah, not entirely In common I've plastic

1626
01:33:56,735 --> 01:33:58,535
Speaker 8: quite a lot, and I've had someone in this exact

1627
01:33:58,615 --> 01:34:00,895
Speaker 8: situation where they're thinking of selling and they were aware

1628
01:34:00,935 --> 01:34:03,375
Speaker 8: of it and they wanted to resolve it. Yes, yeah,

1629
01:34:03,615 --> 01:34:05,495
Speaker 8: the recommend speak to you, a realistic agent, do the

1630
01:34:05,575 --> 01:34:08,255
Speaker 8: recommendation would be to resolve it, because ultimately you're going

1631
01:34:08,295 --> 01:34:09,975
Speaker 8: to be ruling out a lot of buyers if you

1632
01:34:10,055 --> 01:34:12,775
Speaker 8: don't resolve it, because most people are getting due diligent

1633
01:34:12,895 --> 01:34:16,975
Speaker 8: advice before they commit to purchase, and any confident lawyer

1634
01:34:17,095 --> 01:34:18,575
Speaker 8: is going to pick that up and tell them, oh,

1635
01:34:18,615 --> 01:34:21,215
Speaker 8: you do realize that it's not quite you know, okay

1636
01:34:21,295 --> 01:34:23,455
Speaker 8: in terms of the common property. So that's going to

1637
01:34:23,495 --> 01:34:25,215
Speaker 8: maybe rule that person out of the auction or the

1638
01:34:25,255 --> 01:34:28,055
Speaker 8: bidding process, or certainly reduce the amount they'd be willing

1639
01:34:28,095 --> 01:34:31,175
Speaker 8: to pay for it. And if there was first home buyer,

1640
01:34:31,215 --> 01:34:33,855
Speaker 8: it's requiring heavily on bank lending. It may even rule

1641
01:34:34,015 --> 01:34:36,415
Speaker 8: that altogether because the bank may not lend on a property,

1642
01:34:36,455 --> 01:34:38,815
Speaker 8: but it's got that issue. So the way the way

1643
01:34:38,895 --> 01:34:43,095
Speaker 8: to fix it though is ideally by consent. So approaching

1644
01:34:43,135 --> 01:34:45,495
Speaker 8: across these neighbors and say, look they're aware of it

1645
01:34:45,575 --> 01:34:48,255
Speaker 8: as well. Look it's in both of our interests to

1646
01:34:48,335 --> 01:34:51,575
Speaker 8: get this tidied up. It's actually not that complicated for

1647
01:34:51,815 --> 01:34:53,455
Speaker 8: us to tide it up as long as we sort

1648
01:34:53,495 --> 01:34:57,695
Speaker 8: of act in unison. And then yeah, you vary the

1649
01:34:57,775 --> 01:35:00,655
Speaker 8: cross lease effectively, so you would you would say in

1650
01:35:00,775 --> 01:35:03,375
Speaker 8: one of the clauses creating the exclusive with you theory

1651
01:35:03,495 --> 01:35:05,975
Speaker 8: referring to the development part of the plan to posit

1652
01:35:06,015 --> 01:35:09,015
Speaker 8: that with land information New Zealand, and then you're good

1653
01:35:09,055 --> 01:35:11,775
Speaker 8: to go. Did you need the consent of any bank mortgages?

1654
01:35:11,935 --> 01:35:14,695
Speaker 8: But that's normally just a formality because well, if it's

1655
01:35:14,695 --> 01:35:16,815
Speaker 8: explained to them in a letter, they understand it's a

1656
01:35:16,895 --> 01:35:21,095
Speaker 8: benefit for them, it's better for their security. So the

1657
01:35:21,215 --> 01:35:23,575
Speaker 8: banks may just charge a couple hundred dollars to give consent,

1658
01:35:24,255 --> 01:35:27,455
Speaker 8: you know, the legal fees again, a couple of thousand

1659
01:35:27,455 --> 01:35:29,775
Speaker 8: dollars probably to do that. It's not like I say,

1660
01:35:29,815 --> 01:35:33,695
Speaker 8: it's not so so complicated. It's just more that if

1661
01:35:33,735 --> 01:35:36,295
Speaker 8: the if the neighbors aren't all in agreements, then you've

1662
01:35:36,335 --> 01:35:38,455
Speaker 8: potentially got a bit of an issue because it becomes

1663
01:35:38,535 --> 01:35:41,575
Speaker 8: more complex then. But if if everyone's on the same page,

1664
01:35:41,895 --> 01:35:44,095
Speaker 8: and what I've seen as well is one neighbor may

1665
01:35:44,455 --> 01:35:46,295
Speaker 8: offer to pay for it because they're the ones that

1666
01:35:46,375 --> 01:35:50,215
Speaker 8: are wanting to Yeah, so this is like say you've

1667
01:35:50,255 --> 01:35:52,615
Speaker 8: got one of the neighbors that's sort of not that motivated,

1668
01:35:52,655 --> 01:35:54,975
Speaker 8: a bit apathetic, but you know they're not opposed to

1669
01:35:54,975 --> 01:35:56,695
Speaker 8: it either, they just don't want to pay. So the

1670
01:35:56,775 --> 01:35:58,535
Speaker 8: one that's selling might say, look, we'll pay for it

1671
01:35:58,935 --> 01:36:01,135
Speaker 8: as long as you're happy, and and that often works

1672
01:36:01,175 --> 01:36:03,855
Speaker 8: and then everyone gets the sort of title sorded. It's

1673
01:36:03,895 --> 01:36:04,335
Speaker 8: a good option.

1674
01:36:04,935 --> 01:36:08,135
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1675
01:36:08,175 --> 01:36:11,095
Speaker 4: you could just stay with us. Ben Thompson from Pigeon

1676
01:36:11,175 --> 01:36:13,655
Speaker 4: Judge is with us. We're talking cross leases back in

1677
01:36:13,735 --> 01:36:14,295
Speaker 4: a moment.

1678
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1681
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1700
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Speaker 4: morning on the program we have been Thompson from Pidgeon

1701
01:37:28,535 --> 01:37:31,815
Speaker 4: Judge Law. We're talking about cross lease. Is we only

1702
01:37:31,935 --> 01:37:33,455
Speaker 4: a couple of minutes left? I'm going to rush straight

1703
01:37:33,495 --> 01:37:36,175
Speaker 4: into this one. This is a person. It seems like

1704
01:37:36,295 --> 01:37:39,415
Speaker 4: there are two properties on the cross least there is

1705
01:37:39,495 --> 01:37:44,455
Speaker 4: a long driveway that requires repair, says the text. We've previously,

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01:37:44,895 --> 01:37:47,975
Speaker 4: We've asked previously for the flat b owner to go

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01:37:48,215 --> 01:37:50,935
Speaker 4: halves in a roof wash. They declined, Is there a

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01:37:51,055 --> 01:37:53,175
Speaker 4: way to get them to go halves on the cost

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01:37:53,295 --> 01:37:56,615
Speaker 4: to repair the driveway, and how can we enforce this

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01:37:56,975 --> 01:37:58,015
Speaker 4: through the least document.

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01:37:59,495 --> 01:38:03,135
Speaker 8: Then yes, again specifically the relevant lease, but most leases

1712
01:38:03,215 --> 01:38:07,255
Speaker 8: will have a requirement that the cost lessels that's the

1713
01:38:07,415 --> 01:38:10,015
Speaker 8: name used to refer to them jointly together have to

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01:38:10,135 --> 01:38:13,615
Speaker 8: repair and maintain the common property and things like the driveway.

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01:38:14,295 --> 01:38:17,495
Speaker 8: So that's a requirement under the lease. Now, making a

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01:38:17,535 --> 01:38:19,375
Speaker 8: proposal to them to go fifty to fifty is pretty

1717
01:38:19,375 --> 01:38:22,615
Speaker 8: fear and consistent of that. If they're refusing, then that's

1718
01:38:22,895 --> 01:38:25,295
Speaker 8: something like basically a breach of the lease, or they're

1719
01:38:25,335 --> 01:38:28,975
Speaker 8: refusing to perform their obligations on the belief, you can

1720
01:38:29,055 --> 01:38:33,015
Speaker 8: try and get a lawyer to sort of politely remind

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01:38:33,055 --> 01:38:35,695
Speaker 8: them of their rights and ask them to comply. If

1722
01:38:35,975 --> 01:38:39,055
Speaker 8: after that point they're still unwilling, then unfortunately you would

1723
01:38:39,095 --> 01:38:41,935
Speaker 8: have to go through the speed resolution provision under the lease,

1724
01:38:41,975 --> 01:38:47,535
Speaker 8: which almost all cases is arbitration. So you know, you'd

1725
01:38:47,615 --> 01:38:49,775
Speaker 8: appoint an arbitrator and then you'd seek to get an

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01:38:49,815 --> 01:38:52,655
Speaker 8: award requiring them to pay their heart and comply the lease.

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01:38:53,455 --> 01:38:56,015
Speaker 8: On the example that's given, it's almost certain that you'd

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01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,255
Speaker 8: be successful. And then you'd also be entitled to your

1729
01:38:58,335 --> 01:39:00,855
Speaker 8: legal costs as well, but you'd have to go through

1730
01:39:00,895 --> 01:39:03,255
Speaker 8: those motions and incur that initial cost before you've got

1731
01:39:03,295 --> 01:39:04,895
Speaker 8: them back to get there. So it is a little

1732
01:39:04,935 --> 01:39:08,495
Speaker 8: bit tedious and it would take several months. But yeah,

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01:39:08,735 --> 01:39:10,375
Speaker 8: so you do have the remedy is just you have

1734
01:39:10,535 --> 01:39:14,455
Speaker 8: to actively enforce that right Unfortunately, Yeah, that's one of

1735
01:39:14,455 --> 01:39:15,295
Speaker 8: the lease would require.

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01:39:16,615 --> 01:39:19,175
Speaker 4: It doesn't make for good neighborly relations either, does it.

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01:39:19,575 --> 01:39:21,695
Speaker 4: Back to point of view, you know, that's right.

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01:39:22,935 --> 01:39:27,415
Speaker 8: People sort of approach me when this is happening, and

1739
01:39:27,895 --> 01:39:30,575
Speaker 8: we they tried in a plight way, and I sort

1740
01:39:30,575 --> 01:39:33,135
Speaker 8: of just try and be a little bit more term

1741
01:39:33,415 --> 01:39:36,655
Speaker 8: and in the end we normally get it resolved without

1742
01:39:36,695 --> 01:39:38,855
Speaker 8: having to go to arbitration. Yeah, but you do have

1743
01:39:38,975 --> 01:39:41,295
Speaker 8: to spend that time, spending a few sort of more

1744
01:39:42,055 --> 01:39:47,655
Speaker 8: you know, direct and then and then after that then

1745
01:39:47,775 --> 01:39:48,935
Speaker 8: normally there's a solution.

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01:39:49,375 --> 01:39:53,735
Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic. Now this text says I live in I

1747
01:39:53,895 --> 01:39:55,735
Speaker 4: own and live in a cross lease property for the

1748
01:39:55,815 --> 01:39:59,855
Speaker 4: last three years, the neighboring property is occupied by renters. Recently,

1749
01:39:59,895 --> 01:40:02,655
Speaker 4: I've hit to replace the boundary fences it was falling apart.

1750
01:40:03,055 --> 01:40:05,615
Speaker 4: Before replacing it. I spoke to the property manager of

1751
01:40:05,695 --> 01:40:07,975
Speaker 4: the neighboring property and they said that the owner would

1752
01:40:07,975 --> 01:40:11,255
Speaker 4: be happy to share the costs after replacing the fence.

1753
01:40:11,375 --> 01:40:13,735
Speaker 4: I passed on the invoice eighteen hundred dollars to the

1754
01:40:13,775 --> 01:40:18,775
Speaker 4: property manager multiple times, no response. What are my next steps?

1755
01:40:20,375 --> 01:40:23,615
Speaker 4: Is this more a thing than a well?

1756
01:40:23,895 --> 01:40:25,815
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the cross list because it comes back to

1757
01:40:25,855 --> 01:40:28,095
Speaker 8: you it's the same appliers as the previous example in

1758
01:40:28,135 --> 01:40:31,815
Speaker 8: the way because they've already covenanted. Mean that means you

1759
01:40:31,895 --> 01:40:34,015
Speaker 8: know the clause in it that says they have to

1760
01:40:34,055 --> 01:40:37,415
Speaker 8: contribute to this sort of communal things and they're refusing

1761
01:40:37,495 --> 01:40:40,455
Speaker 8: to do that. But in this situation, they've also agreed

1762
01:40:40,855 --> 01:40:43,855
Speaker 8: to that work before it was done. So you've almost

1763
01:40:43,935 --> 01:40:47,415
Speaker 8: formed like a separate contract. And there's a debt you

1764
01:40:47,415 --> 01:40:50,895
Speaker 8: were knowing a rising out of that. So it's potentially

1765
01:40:50,975 --> 01:40:53,535
Speaker 8: even within the remit of the dispute tribunal, which would

1766
01:40:53,575 --> 01:40:56,295
Speaker 8: be handy for that person because that's quick and easy

1767
01:40:56,375 --> 01:40:58,255
Speaker 8: and you don't need lawyers and only costs, you know,

1768
01:40:58,535 --> 01:40:59,695
Speaker 8: not very much money.

1769
01:40:59,535 --> 01:40:59,975
Speaker 5: To get there.

1770
01:41:00,855 --> 01:41:02,895
Speaker 8: Cross Lee's discute normally can't be dealt with in the

1771
01:41:02,895 --> 01:41:06,655
Speaker 8: dispute tribunal because of the arbitration cause requiring disputes. But

1772
01:41:06,895 --> 01:41:10,695
Speaker 8: here potentially they've formed a separate agreement if if certain,

1773
01:41:10,735 --> 01:41:12,615
Speaker 8: if there was an email or some kind of evidence

1774
01:41:12,655 --> 01:41:15,815
Speaker 8: to say, yep, we're agreed to split half fence that way,

1775
01:41:16,175 --> 01:41:18,335
Speaker 8: and then then they've reneged on that. After the event,

1776
01:41:18,495 --> 01:41:22,775
Speaker 8: you can potentially seek to enforce that does If that's

1777
01:41:22,855 --> 01:41:24,455
Speaker 8: not the case and you're just relying on the lease,

1778
01:41:24,535 --> 01:41:27,135
Speaker 8: then yet again arbitration, like the previous example, is what

1779
01:41:27,215 --> 01:41:31,175
Speaker 8: you'd have to use. But again you'd be successful because

1780
01:41:31,295 --> 01:41:34,055
Speaker 8: it appears this person is just unwilling to perform their obligations.

1781
01:41:34,495 --> 01:41:36,815
Speaker 8: And so if you have a sort of friendly lawyer,

1782
01:41:36,855 --> 01:41:38,735
Speaker 8: you might again instruct him to sort of write the

1783
01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:41,495
Speaker 8: property manager and the owner setting out these things and

1784
01:41:41,575 --> 01:41:43,855
Speaker 8: what will happen if they don't fall into line, and

1785
01:41:44,015 --> 01:41:46,455
Speaker 8: hopefully that brings brings out an outcome.

1786
01:41:47,495 --> 01:41:51,375
Speaker 4: Right, Someone else has talked about converting a cross least

1787
01:41:51,415 --> 01:41:56,095
Speaker 4: to freehold title, and they mentioned to Tangi, the question

1788
01:41:56,255 --> 01:41:59,135
Speaker 4: is how much you know is it reasonable to expect

1789
01:41:59,175 --> 01:42:01,615
Speaker 4: that the value of a house might increase another sort

1790
01:42:01,615 --> 01:42:05,135
Speaker 4: of outside your remit. But in general too people do

1791
01:42:05,255 --> 01:42:08,655
Speaker 4: it because they do find that it's slightly more attractive

1792
01:42:08,895 --> 01:42:10,135
Speaker 4: in terms of sale and pictures.

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01:42:11,095 --> 01:42:13,415
Speaker 8: Yeah, based on my experience, I think so. I mean

1794
01:42:13,415 --> 01:42:15,615
Speaker 8: there's ultimately a question for a valuer or a real

1795
01:42:15,735 --> 01:42:19,175
Speaker 8: estate age, but from a legal side, when we're instructors

1796
01:42:19,295 --> 01:42:21,335
Speaker 8: to look at properties for clients that want to buy

1797
01:42:21,655 --> 01:42:24,815
Speaker 8: under due diligence, if we notice this across lease, well, firstly,

1798
01:42:24,855 --> 01:42:26,775
Speaker 8: our fees are going to be slightly higher because there's

1799
01:42:26,815 --> 01:42:29,015
Speaker 8: more things that we've got to look at, but also

1800
01:42:30,335 --> 01:42:32,295
Speaker 8: the level of information that we're providing them and the

1801
01:42:32,335 --> 01:42:34,735
Speaker 8: potential limitations of their use of the land and server

1802
01:42:34,855 --> 01:42:40,815
Speaker 8: development and improvements really undermine the value. So most I

1803
01:42:40,855 --> 01:42:42,895
Speaker 8: think it is fair to say that most people would

1804
01:42:42,975 --> 01:42:45,575
Speaker 8: be willing to pay a bit more for a fee

1805
01:42:45,615 --> 01:42:48,695
Speaker 8: simple than they would across lease just because you've got

1806
01:42:48,975 --> 01:42:51,655
Speaker 8: you know, more freedom, there are less rules of restrictions

1807
01:42:51,695 --> 01:42:53,615
Speaker 8: and how you can use your property. If you do

1808
01:42:53,695 --> 01:42:56,415
Speaker 8: a fee simple subdivision in a cross these setting, there

1809
01:42:56,535 --> 01:42:58,295
Speaker 8: probably is going to be a requirement to put some

1810
01:42:58,455 --> 01:43:01,135
Speaker 8: limitations in because often say because there's a lot of

1811
01:43:01,215 --> 01:43:04,215
Speaker 8: them out in sort of St. Helier's Camarramer Way, and

1812
01:43:04,295 --> 01:43:07,175
Speaker 8: there's views out over the over the gulf, and so

1813
01:43:07,375 --> 01:43:10,335
Speaker 8: clearly people aren't going to willingly give up their cross

1814
01:43:10,415 --> 01:43:12,615
Speaker 8: lease which prevents the person in front from building up.

1815
01:43:14,535 --> 01:43:17,695
Speaker 8: So in that situation, you can still de all of

1816
01:43:17,735 --> 01:43:19,895
Speaker 8: that and you can just put a height covenant and say, look, yeah,

1817
01:43:19,975 --> 01:43:22,295
Speaker 8: we'll go fee simple. We'll have a right away for

1818
01:43:22,415 --> 01:43:24,455
Speaker 8: the easement for the driveway, but we just want to

1819
01:43:24,575 --> 01:43:27,095
Speaker 8: limit you going above certain number of meters. And that

1820
01:43:27,495 --> 01:43:29,695
Speaker 8: still adds value because it still means that you can

1821
01:43:29,815 --> 01:43:32,815
Speaker 8: use your flat in a way that's independent, so you

1822
01:43:32,895 --> 01:43:34,535
Speaker 8: can have dogs, and you might be able to do

1823
01:43:34,695 --> 01:43:36,575
Speaker 8: work from home from a home office, because most cross

1824
01:43:36,655 --> 01:43:39,295
Speaker 8: leaders are for residential use only, so there's various other

1825
01:43:39,375 --> 01:43:41,175
Speaker 8: freedoms you're can get. You're just not gonna be able

1826
01:43:41,215 --> 01:43:43,375
Speaker 8: to put an extra two stories on or something like that.

1827
01:43:43,575 --> 01:43:46,335
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think it's fair to say in most

1828
01:43:46,335 --> 01:43:48,095
Speaker 8: situations it will add value to the property.

1829
01:43:48,735 --> 01:43:52,535
Speaker 4: Fantastic. It's been fast and furious. I really appreciate you

1830
01:43:52,775 --> 01:43:55,455
Speaker 4: sort of getting stuck, and we've worked through a bunch

1831
01:43:55,535 --> 01:43:58,495
Speaker 4: of ticks, and to be feared, we've had a lot

1832
01:43:58,495 --> 01:44:01,775
Speaker 4: of really positive feedback. People have really enjoyed your insights.

1833
01:44:01,855 --> 01:44:05,495
Speaker 4: So I might re chick out again at some stage,

1834
01:44:05,535 --> 01:44:06,735
Speaker 4: and when we'll do it all again.

1835
01:44:07,815 --> 01:44:08,895
Speaker 8: Thanks Pete. That sounds good.

1836
01:44:08,895 --> 01:44:12,975
Speaker 4: Pleasure, jeez, really appreciate it. Take care then. See then,

1837
01:44:13,455 --> 01:44:16,015
Speaker 4: a couple of people have asked how to contact Ben

1838
01:44:16,855 --> 01:44:19,375
Speaker 4: go through the firm that he works with. It's Pigeon

1839
01:44:19,535 --> 01:44:22,735
Speaker 4: Judge Lawyers, so it's pretty simple. You'll find them online.

1840
01:44:22,775 --> 01:44:27,215
Speaker 4: So Pigeon Judge Judd Lawyers, you'll find them online and

1841
01:44:27,775 --> 01:44:30,935
Speaker 4: Ben's email and mobile number are there. Again, my thanks

1842
01:44:30,975 --> 01:44:33,695
Speaker 4: to Ben for his time this morning. Right, let's jump

1843
01:44:33,735 --> 01:44:37,495
Speaker 4: into the garden. Rid Claiming Past is standing by if

1844
01:44:37,535 --> 01:44:40,135
Speaker 4: you've got a question for Rudd about the wonderful world

1845
01:44:40,175 --> 01:44:42,695
Speaker 4: of bugs or the wonderful world of gardens. Eight hundred

1846
01:44:42,695 --> 01:44:44,855
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call good

1847
01:44:45,495 --> 01:44:47,575
Speaker 4: Squeaky Door or Squeaky floor.

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