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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 1: news talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 2: The White Tonguey Tribunals released its first take on the

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Speaker 2: Treaty Principles bill. Says it's discriminatory. We'll get you across.

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Speaker 2: The detail was Chris likes An exaggerating how bad the

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Speaker 2: world is in that speech that he gave last night.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have a chat to Foreign Affairs expert

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Miller on that and of course the meeting with

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Speaker 2: Elbow today and Sir Bob Charles on why he's upset

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Speaker 2: with the live tour eyeing up christ Church. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a no brainer, don't you, that Tapapa

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Speaker 2: should charge the international visitors for entry. They've announce they're

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Speaker 2: going to start doing it from next month. It's still

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Speaker 2: going to be free fast kiwis, but the overseas visitors

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Speaker 2: will have to pay thirty five bucks if they're over

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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen. I think it's a no brainer

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Speaker 2: because half of Tapapa's visitors are foreign there presumably if

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Speaker 2: they're foreign, they're presumably tourists. But the thing is funded entirely,

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Speaker 2: by the looks of things, by kiwis. So basically, we

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Speaker 2: pay for one hundred percent of something that we only

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Speaker 2: use fifty percent of that silly, it's obviously a good

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Speaker 2: call to get the other lot to stump up too.

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Speaker 2: Not entirely convinced by the classically Kiwi approach, they're going

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Speaker 2: to take to taking the money, which is an honesty

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Speaker 2: box system. I mean, come on, seriously, what they're doing

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Speaker 2: is at the door, they'll say to you, where are

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Speaker 2: you from? And if you say poor, you'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: They'll be like, welcome to welcome to to Papa. But

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Speaker 2: if you say, oh, the USA, they'll say, oh, can

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Speaker 2: you just go up the steps there and just buy

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Speaker 2: yourself a ticket? I mean, I think you can see

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Speaker 2: how that instruction is going to be ignored, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: they keep an eye on that and make sure it's

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Speaker 2: actually working. But as for the general idea, I'd be

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Speaker 2: surprised if there are any downsides to this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think tourists nowadays are pretty used to paying for attractions,

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Speaker 2: I went to Singapore a couple of weeks ago, went

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Speaker 2: to this attraction called the Cloud Forest, which is basically

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Speaker 2: and they're missing some cloud into the air, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you walk around, you have a look at the orchards. Yay.

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Speaker 2: It cost me three times what it would cost the locals.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care at all. I didn't even notice it.

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Speaker 2: I just expected it. Looked at the exchange rate just now.

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Speaker 2: It was more than forty New Zealand dollars to go

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Speaker 2: It was the one of the lamest things I did

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Speaker 2: is because I come from a country where we have

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Speaker 2: real mountains with actual waterfalls. I just go for a

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Speaker 2: the built inside this dome, right, But I didn't care.

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Speaker 2: I didn't begrudge to spend it all. It just felt

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Speaker 2: like one of those things that happens when you are

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Speaker 2: a tourist and you're on holiday. You go and see

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Speaker 2: some stuff, some of it's gonna be awesome, some of

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Speaker 2: it's gonna suck. You take a bit of a punt,

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Speaker 2: right And I feel like the tourists who go to

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Speaker 2: Papa and inevitably think it sucks because it does, are

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Speaker 2: also going to have the same approach. Don't you think

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Speaker 2: they're gonna pay thirty five bucks and be like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know that's just what happens. And actually thirty five

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Speaker 2: much more for a man made mountain. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: into Papa. Obviously, now hopefully more and more of our

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Speaker 2: attractions than this country actually start doing this. Hamilton Gardens

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Speaker 2: announced a week ago it's going to start doing it.

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Speaker 2: Auckland Museum already does it, and both these places, by

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Speaker 2: the way, locals in the area Auckland does, and Hamiltonians

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Speaker 2: get in free and everybody else is expected to pay.

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Speaker 2: Never mind the international guys as well. Doc's been doing

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Speaker 2: basically just leaving money on the table.

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Speaker 1: Ever do for Cea Ellens, You're welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what you think. Nine two ninety two is

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Speaker 2: the text number. Obviously the standard text fees apply now supermarkets.

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Speaker 2: Supermarkets are in trouble today with the Grocery Commission, aren't

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Speaker 2: they for the dodging pricing. So he's taken a crack

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Speaker 2: so big that Kiwis could be losing tens of million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year on this now. J Morasmusen is the

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Speaker 2: head of Research and Advocacy at Consumer New Zealand AGMA

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Speaker 2: cure to heather you into this.

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Speaker 4: What the commissioners saying. I think that it is a

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Speaker 4: supermarkets have been guilty of pricing discrepancies and that's something

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Speaker 4: that is costing New Zealand's tens of millions of dollars

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Speaker 4: a year. However, I think that what he's calling for

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Speaker 2: No, because it feels like it's now my job to

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Speaker 2: Why can't they fix it at their end?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question. So you look at the

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Speaker 4: Commission and there is a groceryting, there's a supermarket commissioner himself,

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Speaker 4: and then we also have these major supermarkets who have

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Speaker 4: historically made pretty good profits. We think that it should

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Speaker 4: little bit more carefully. But on top of that, we

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Speaker 4: also think it's a really fundamental part of running a

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Speaker 4: fact that after a market study the supermarkets can't even

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Speaker 2: They say it's just mistakes, right, it's not deliberate on

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Speaker 2: So if it's just mistakes, is there any way really

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Speaker 2: this just one of the things that happens when you

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's a question about what is a

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Speaker 4: reasonable level of mistake. And yes, they are dealing with

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Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of products and they all need to

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Speaker 4: be priced. But from our research, we've found sixty five

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Speaker 4: percent of shoppers are not pricing inaccuracies when they go

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Speaker 4: The Commissioner himself has said that tens of millions of

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Speaker 4: And when I say that, I mean fines. So I

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Speaker 4: is there not? And if there is a problem, which

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Speaker 4: And when we say reporting that you going to the

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Speaker 4: supermarket telling the supermarket there's a problem, the supermarket telling

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Speaker 4: the commissioner there's a problem. Is that enough?

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Speaker 2: So what should a fine be if I end up

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Speaker 2: paying I don't know, let's say eight ninety nine four

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Speaker 2: something I thought was five ninety nine, What should they

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Speaker 4: Well, if you mean you to shopper.

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Speaker 2: I'm shopper. I mean, I'd much rather be the supermarket

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Speaker 2: owner at the stage, but I am, unfortunately the shopper.

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Speaker 4: So we think for the shopper, we think that they

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Speaker 4: the difference. So the Commissioner has asked for a more

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Speaker 4: generous refund, which we think is great. But you know,

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Speaker 4: cases where the serpmarkets have been caught doing this a

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Speaker 4: little bit more prolifically. So there was an example of

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Speaker 4: Commission and was fined seventy eight thousand dollars. This didn't

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Speaker 4: And this is about investment and innovation from the supermarkets,

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Speaker 4: as you're putting in the resourcing to ensure that they're

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we don't often give the supermarkets a shout out,

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Speaker 2: but shout out to all Worths for actually doing this

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Speaker 2: already and giving you your money back and the product yet.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, And I think that also when you look

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Speaker 4: at the letters that the Commissioner has sent to the supermarkets,

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Speaker 2: Jem Listen, thank you very much for talking us through.

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Speaker 2: It's Jim Rassments are the head of research and advocacy

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Speaker 2: at Consumer New Zealand. Heather. Everyone should pay for any

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Speaker 2: If the don't attract enough business, they should close down.

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Speaker 2: It's part of me that loves that, but then I

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Speaker 2: it's being reported in Australia just in the last few

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Speaker 2: to have that NRL team. Apparently the Aussie cabinet has

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Speaker 2: So that's sad news unfortunately, sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the days headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 6: Hello Heather.

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Speaker 2: I think the All Blacks have got this one in

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Speaker 2: the bag.

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Speaker 6: I think so, yep. They normally bounce back from defeat,

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Speaker 6: particularly against the same team. When Argentina beat US two

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Speaker 6: years ago in christ Church the following week in Hamilton

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Speaker 6: fifty three to three. Expect similar tomorrow night. I reckon

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Speaker 6: it'll be a thirty plus victory. I just can't see

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Speaker 6: a scenario under which the All Blacks lose this game.

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Speaker 6: It just doesn't seem like a feasible proposition to me.

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Speaker 2: What if they play as poorly as they did last week.

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Speaker 6: See, I don't think they will. If they do, they're

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Speaker 6: in trouble. I just don't think they will. As I say,

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Speaker 6: the All Blacks have this culture, this history, this habit

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Speaker 6: of not playing badly two weeks in a row against

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Speaker 6: the same opposition. So look, I fully expect that they'll

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Speaker 6: They'll have taken the and I this with the learnings

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Speaker 6: from last week, the lessons, and they'll apply those at

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Poni, are we going to have to change

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to export our awesomeness and to them, whereas

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Speaker 6: So they're almost like they're two ways to the same

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Speaker 6: Well, I think they all would be. I think all

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Speaker 2: Mate. That's actually an unfair question, isn't it. You should

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Speaker 2: I've just put twenty bucks in Argentina thanks to Jason Pine.

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather duper c

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Speaker 9: cracking down on this, especially in the state of California,

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Speaker 9: because the drugs just become more and more popular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you make it sound like something therapeutic.

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Speaker 2: People also use it to get high, don't they.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they do, they do it. Weightlifters often use

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Speaker 9: it as well, and drug sellers are pushing it more

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Speaker 9: and more on the on the on the street, and

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Speaker 9: it's just becoming something that's becoming more and more common,

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Speaker 9: whereas you know, maybe three four years ago it was

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Speaker 9: it was something that even your doctor wasn't too familiar with.

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Speaker 2: Do I hear earlier correctly that somebody's been charged with

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Speaker 2: actually injecting it into him?

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Speaker 9: I believe that is one of the things that they

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Speaker 9: said at the press conference earlier today. I can't confirm

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Speaker 9: that exactly, but they've they've said that there has been

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Speaker 9: people that have been have contributed to that, that bought

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Speaker 9: it for him, and that may have done that.

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Speaker 2: Oh Okay, that sounds that's grim, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: so I can't even self administer. All right, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: Kamona's going to a real lead in the polls, isn't she?

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Speaker 9: Well, she has I mean, this is really interesting to

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Speaker 9: follow this. For the last couple of weeks, they had

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Speaker 9: the first Emerson College polling, a national survey. It's a

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Speaker 9: pretty big poll that comes out, and this is the

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Speaker 9: first one since President Biden decided not to seek reelection,

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Speaker 9: and they're finding that she's a leading Donald Trump fifty

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Speaker 9: to forty percent forty six percent. Excuse me. And what's

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Speaker 9: interesting too is if I guess maybe four percent support

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Speaker 9: Robert Kennedy Junior right now. So I mean it's not

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Speaker 9: a lot, but it's enough that could break, you know,

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Speaker 9: a very close race. And since last month, Trump's support

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Speaker 9: has just dropped among likely voters. Interesting though, ninety three

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Speaker 9: percent of voters are extremely or motivated to vote this November. Now,

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Speaker 9: I don't think we're going to see anywhere near that

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Speaker 9: that kind of turnout. That would just be unprecedented here

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Speaker 9: in the US. That being said, it's become a lot

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Speaker 9: more interesting since Kamala Harris got into the race than

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Speaker 9: it was when Joe Biden was here.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what did you make of that appearance by Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think he's starting to have I think

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Speaker 9: he's starting to relax a little bit, honestly, because he

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Speaker 9: knows he's a lame duck president right now. He's poking

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Speaker 9: fun of himself. And he made his first joint appearance

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Speaker 9: with Kamala Harris today and basically they were focusing on

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Speaker 9: drug costs and and Harris is set to announce tomorrow

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Speaker 9: her four year plan to lower housing costs tomorrow, and

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Speaker 9: of course Donald Trump got into this. But I honestly

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Speaker 9: think that Joe Biden now feels like there's a weight

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Speaker 9: that's been lifted off his shoulder. He seems more relaxed.

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Speaker 9: He's poking front of himself, he's smiling a little bit more.

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Speaker 9: He seems like he's having a conversation and not sort

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Speaker 9: of remembering what he's supposed to be saying or reading

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Speaker 9: off the teleprompter right now. So I think this was

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Speaker 9: a really smart move, not only for him personally, but

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Speaker 9: for the entire Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there can be no doubt in his mind

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Speaker 2: that he did the right thing right. I mean, just

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Speaker 2: look at the momentum behind you, look at the polls

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Speaker 2: as opposed to his polls. It was obviously the right

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Speaker 2: thing to do.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I think this is going to be I mean,

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Speaker 9: there was so much worry. I think that what are

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Speaker 9: people going to say about his legacy if he were

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Speaker 9: to do this. I think, honestly, he's going to be

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Speaker 9: a lot more respected in hindsight now that he's done this.

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Speaker 9: Especially slave Kamala continues on this trajectory that she seems

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Speaker 9: to be going against the Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Dan She's got an annoying voice, doesn't she.

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Speaker 9: She has been accused of having an annoying voice. She

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Speaker 9: has been accused of having an annoying laugh and also

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Speaker 9: laughing in places where you're just not supposed to laugh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but is she does she annoy you?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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Speaker 9: I think there are times where she does because I

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Speaker 9: lose the threat of what she's saying.

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Speaker 2: Because you're listening to the way she's saying it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and the and the way she says that, and

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Speaker 9: just that laugh that seems to come out of nowhere

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Speaker 9: and you're like, oh, did I miss something And you're like, no,

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Speaker 9: that's it's almost like a nervous tick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Dan, thank you for settling that for me.

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Speaker 2: That's Dan Mitchinson now US correspondent. This is just listen

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Speaker 2: again our president, so finden. I think that's list annoying

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Speaker 2: than this one.

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Speaker 8: Though I could speak all afternoon about the person that

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Speaker 8: I am standing on this stage with.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm being unfair, Maybe I'm being unfair. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting a little overload of karmel at at

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Speaker 2: the minute, and it's just starting to get a little annoying. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: listen on to something much much more serious. Far at

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Speaker 2: a hospital, the emergency department there at the moment is

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Speaker 2: in code black. Now this means no more patients can

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Speaker 2: go to Faraday's emergency department. It's hit one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty percent capacity. In fact, it's hit more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent capacity. I think it's at one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six or something like that. What's happened

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Speaker 2: is that they have eighty arrivals. Have eighty people have

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Speaker 2: walked in since midnight to round about now twenty one

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Speaker 2: arrived in one hour for an emergency department. That is

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Speaker 2: a lot to be coping with. One staff member there said,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen this before. It is so busy at

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Speaker 2: the moment, so obviously bit of a worry about what's

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Speaker 2: going on up there. It brings me to what Ashley

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Speaker 2: Bloomfield has had to say in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run you through that when we get

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Speaker 2: a chance.

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Speaker 1: Barry Soopa's next Politics with Centrics credit check your customers

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Speaker 2: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with me.

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Speaker 7: Now have Barry, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Now, the White Tiny Tribunals already had a crack about

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Speaker 2: the Treaty Principal's bill.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm afraid you're going to be a bit luxeened

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Speaker 13: out today because he's at the center of all of

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Speaker 13: the stories that I'll be talking about, although David Seymour

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Speaker 13: was right at the center of this one. The treaty's

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Speaker 13: principal bill that hasn't even been drafted yet and it

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Speaker 13: won't be tabled in the House probably until November. So

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Speaker 13: I think the White Tangi Tribunal is getting ahead of itself.

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Speaker 13: It's put out a report. They studied it urgently, studied

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Speaker 13: what I'm not quite sure, but they describe what they

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Speaker 13: said was the bill as a solution to a problem

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Speaker 13: that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 7: They went on to say that, look.

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Speaker 13: The Crown agreed to pursue a policy without any engagement

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Speaker 13: or discussion with Maldi. Well, this bill, when it comes

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Speaker 13: into the House will go to a select committee. That's

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Speaker 13: when Maori like everybody else, are able to put in

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Speaker 13: a submission to the bill and say what they do

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Speaker 13: or don't like about it. So you can understand why

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Speaker 13: the way Tongy Tribunal at the moment, the question mark

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Speaker 13: is over it and it's relevance when it comes out

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Speaker 13: with a sort of nonsense before the legislation has even

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Speaker 13: been written. The Prime Minister, of course, is in Australia,

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Speaker 13: and he says National's position has always been the same.

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Speaker 13: They'll support the bill through its first reading to get

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Speaker 13: it to a select committee. Chris Luxon says the tribunal

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Speaker 13: is simply jumping the gun.

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Speaker 11: In my conversations with EMAI leaders, it's raised. It's certainly

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Speaker 11: a challenging issue. The Treaty Principal's Bill has not come

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Speaker 11: before Cabinet, so there hasn't been a discussion in cabinet

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Speaker 11: about that. Secondly, I just say to either way, tongue

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Speaker 11: tribunal has been somewhat premature, I believe when we actually

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Speaker 11: haven't got a bill in front of us to talk to.

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Speaker 14: So you know, that's my view on it and what.

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Speaker 13: David Seymour has always said that his fundamental question is

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Speaker 13: why are the successful societies or where are the successful

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Speaker 13: societies that treat people differently than based on their ancestry.

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Speaker 13: He says, you cannot differentiate people living in a country

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Speaker 13: simply based on ancestry, and that'll be the argument, and

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Speaker 13: no doubt there'll be a well, no doubt there will

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Speaker 13: certainly be a lot of debate.

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Speaker 7: On this in the centry.

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Speaker 2: If there is no bill. What have they assessed. Have

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Speaker 2: they just had a little peruse through the internet.

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Speaker 13: Well, they would have, no doubt seen all the publicity

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Speaker 13: and the lead up to it, so they could google

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Speaker 13: that exactly.

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Speaker 2: You're making massive assumptions like none of us know what's

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Speaker 2: going to be in that bill.

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Speaker 13: Although David Seymour has said fairly specifically what he would

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Speaker 13: like to see is one rule for all in New Zealand,

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Speaker 13: and you know he basically sees the treaty in the

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Speaker 13: way that nobody should be treated again from anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Idea of something versus what is actually in aspressive legislation

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Speaker 2: post piece of legislation could be two completely different things.

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Speaker 2: Totally jump the gun massively. But any well, I'll have

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Speaker 2: a chat to them later. What about Luxo and Albanesi.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well they got on like brothers, as they always do.

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Speaker 2: And that's really big thing about how far back they go?

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Speaker 2: How far back do they go?

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Speaker 7: Alban Ezi and Chris Luckson.

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Speaker 13: Well, when Chris Lackson was the chief executive of their

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Speaker 13: New Zealand apparently and I'm not sure what the association was,

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Speaker 13: but he got to know alban Ezi apparently quite well,

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Speaker 13: just as John Key knew Malcolm Turnbull well in the

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Speaker 13: money market areas. Remember they used to make great play

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Speaker 13: of that. They seem to get along while watching them

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Speaker 13: standing alongside each other today. But the big issue that

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Speaker 13: New Zealand, and I know it's going to go nowhere,

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Speaker 13: but that is the five oh ones and feeding our

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Speaker 13: gangs in this country, unlike our doing a few years back,

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Speaker 13: who said the five by one's deportation was corrosive to

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Speaker 13: our relationship. You remember standing alongside Scott Morrison and Sydney Luxon,

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Speaker 13: on the other hand, simply beg to differ with Albanezi.

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Speaker 11: We've got a very strongly held position. We don't think

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Speaker 11: it's fair and I've articulated that, and the promises assured

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Speaker 11: me there be a common sense approach to it, and

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Speaker 11: we'll make sure that we'll continue to monitor and and

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Speaker 11: we'll continue to engage it. And again I just say

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Speaker 11: to you, you know, we have a deep relationship and

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Speaker 11: the relationship between stratings is in fantastic shape.

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Speaker 9: But it's quite okay that we have.

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Speaker 11: A difference, and this is a difference and we both

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Speaker 11: can articulate our positions on it, and that's good.

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Speaker 13: I think the one thing that has come out of

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Speaker 13: this is that common sense approach and that seemed to

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Speaker 13: be overturned by the Australians earlier this year. And if

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Speaker 13: they do adopt that common sense approach, that is, if

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Speaker 13: a person goes to Australia as an infant, then they

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Speaker 13: shouldn't be deported back to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: You, Barry. See, common sense is a word that can

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Speaker 2: be can be read different ways. So common sense to

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Speaker 2: a key we is that the person grew up from

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Speaker 2: as a baby in Australia, don't.

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Speaker 7: See him, that it's bad habits there.

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Speaker 2: But the common sense to in Australia is that persons

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Speaker 2: now are rapist and threatens our country, send them to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Okay, you can see both

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Speaker 13: sides of the argument.

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Speaker 2: I gets, Barry. Thank you, I really appreciate it. We'll

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Speaker 2: wrap the political week that was later on quarter past six.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence right away from five, digging.

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Speaker 1: Into the issues that affect you. The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 15: All that's happened if the Justice ministers signed the expedition order.

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Speaker 15: But guess what happens next he gets to repigle that

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Speaker 15: is there something profoundly wrong with the judicial process that

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Speaker 15: if you have enough money and enough lawyers you can

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Speaker 15: pretty much put off the day of reckoning for as

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Speaker 15: long as you want.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's that's a valid question.

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Speaker 9: He could have landed anywhere.

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Speaker 15: If he didn't land in New Zealand, we never would

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Speaker 15: have heard of him, The judicial process never would have

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Speaker 15: been bogged down with him, the government never would have

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Speaker 15: been involved with them at all. Back Monday, from six am,

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Speaker 15: the mic asking Breakfast at the Rain drove of the

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Speaker 15: last news talk.

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Speaker 4: Z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather Karmala sounds like Janice from Friends. Bang on, we

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Speaker 2: went to listen to Janie from Friends. This is Janie

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Speaker 2: from Friends.

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Speaker 1: Oh I miss your.

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Speaker 2: This is Kamela our president show Biden. So we're trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out what it is, like, what is it

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Speaker 2: that they've got in common? And what it is is

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Speaker 2: that they kind of draw their words, right, so they

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Speaker 2: draw that word out, but then as well as that,

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Speaker 2: there's a kind of like it isn't it doesn't just

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Speaker 2: come out, it's sort of forced out like like that,

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Speaker 2: like kind of like a truck passing like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're like one of those. So now, so now listen

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Speaker 2: to it and see if you can hear what we're hearing. Janice, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I miss your.

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Speaker 8: Kamala our president show Biden.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's okay right now, but it's

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Speaker 2: gonna get annoying, do you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 2: like she, I actually think that she He's lucky she's

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Speaker 2: done the desinda and taken over at the last minute,

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Speaker 2: so there isn't time to get irritated by it. Like

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Speaker 2: it's basically, we're in August, we're voting in November. You

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Speaker 2: hardly have time to get to know Karmela or get

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Speaker 2: irritated by the genus from friend's voice. So before you

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Speaker 2: know it, she's already. She's there already. That's basically how

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Speaker 2: it's going to roll for her. Listen. Luxon. So Christopher

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Speaker 2: Luxon and Albanesi had their meeting today, right one of

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Speaker 2: the things that came up in it is cyber attacks.

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Speaker 2: Cyber attacks, they are making quite a big play off

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Speaker 2: at the moment, and they basically they basically are putting

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Speaker 2: cyber now into the kind of alliance that we have

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Speaker 2: between ourselves as countries. Because of course the Aussies are

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Speaker 2: our only ally right, so and if the Aussies are attacked,

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Speaker 2: we're exposed to expected to go and defend them, and

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Speaker 2: so on and so forth. I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: has quite the NATO expectation, but regardless, they are now

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Speaker 2: saying if one of our countries is the subject of

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Speaker 2: a cyber attack, it could joint it could trigger a

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Speaker 2: joint cooperation under Transhasman agreement. So they're taking this quite seriously.

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Speaker 2: They're elevating it. We're gonna have a chat to Jeff

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Speaker 2: Miller Foreign Affairs experts shortly about that deal, with the

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Speaker 2: White Tonguey Tribunal's report next, and then Sir Bob Charles

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Speaker 2: on why he absolutely will not even cross the road

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Speaker 2: to go and see any of those live players if

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Speaker 2: they come to christ Church News Talks dB beyond the.

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Speaker 1: Lesson the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather due to thee Alan drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, let's get connected a news talk as that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The White Tonguey Tribunal has released its first take

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Speaker 2: on the government's treaty Principles Bill and it doesn't like it.

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Speaker 2: It says it's unfair and it's discriminatory and it should

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Speaker 2: be abandoned. But the Prime Minister has already pushed back,

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Speaker 2: saying it's a coalition commitment with to pursue the bill

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Speaker 2: to first reading.

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Speaker 11: There will be different party positions around the issue. I

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Speaker 11: acknowledge that it's a challenging issue that has been in

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Speaker 11: my conversations with eerie leaders up and down the country.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Sam Carpenter is a former White Tonguy Tribunal historian

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Speaker 2: now researcher at Laide Law Collagen with us Hey, Sam, Sam,

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Speaker 2: there's no bill written, so what have they based this on?

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Speaker 16: Well, based on that leaked advice on the coalition agreement

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Speaker 16: which says that the bill will be introduced on the

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Speaker 16: based but on the basis of existing Act policy.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 16: I mean there seems to be some difference of opinion

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Speaker 16: about whether you know it was it was the right

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Speaker 16: time to hold such an inquiry, But I think given

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Speaker 16: the constitutional significance, it's probably reasonable that the Tribunal did

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Speaker 16: jump at this.

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Speaker 2: What what can possibly be discriminatory about what Act has released?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think the real sticking point in terms of

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Speaker 16: the historical treaty and and also I guess the interpretation

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Speaker 16: of treaty principles by courts, government and the tribunal since

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Speaker 16: the nineteen eighties. Is the Article two proposed clause or

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Speaker 16: proposed principle which essentially diminishes or or takes away marty

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Speaker 16: rights under the guarantee of Bangotiertanga. An Article two so

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Speaker 16: essentially transmographies that into a sort of a guarantee of

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Speaker 16: Bangotiertanga for all New Zealanders, which is kind of pretty

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Speaker 16: historically untenable.

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Speaker 14: So how is this.

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Speaker 2: Taking away any rights? Just explained to me, how does

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Speaker 2: it take away rights from marty from ewing.

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Speaker 17: Well, the.

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Speaker 16: Article one of tility says that the Crown gets the

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Speaker 16: right to govern and Article two is the exchange is

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Speaker 16: that the Crown then promises to protect the rights of

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Speaker 16: Hapoo and e Ewi groups in particular you know, to

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Speaker 16: lands for US fisheries another time, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And how does this kind to take that away?

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Speaker 16: Well, it's basically proposing to face that Article two stayment

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Speaker 16: in the actual treaty and also as understood you know,

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Speaker 16: as the principles are typically understood as a guarantee of rangatanga.

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Speaker 16: For Mary to say that Article two just means a

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Speaker 16: guarantee of tanga for all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: Over their land and their property. But would that so

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Speaker 2: would it not be like this, sam if if Ewe

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Speaker 2: and Hapou have got a tongue chieftainship over this particular

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Speaker 2: piece of land and and and you know, and this property.

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Speaker 2: If you extend that then to everybody in the country,

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Speaker 2: how does that diminish what Ewe and Hapu have got

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Speaker 2: because it just it just reinforces they also have it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think it just reduces Article two to

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Speaker 16: some sort of liberal democratic property right. But there's really

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Speaker 16: no need to do that. I mean, I think one

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Speaker 16: of the well, one of the objections the Tribunal has

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Speaker 16: in the report, which is a very useful report I

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Speaker 16: think in terms of, you know, how it examines this issue.

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Speaker 16: It says, basically, there's no there's no need for a

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Speaker 16: true principle of bill and and potentially it will create

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Speaker 16: lots of confusion in the existing war and the way

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Speaker 16: principles are understood in existing both statute war but also

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Speaker 16: the way the courts look.

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Speaker 2: But let us so let's just understand something So what

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Speaker 2: the what the tribunal is saying is that by extending

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Speaker 2: the same right of chieftainship to everybody, it takes it

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Speaker 2: away from Mari.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, because I mean, I mean, it's it's pretty clearly understood.

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Speaker 16: I think in the in the jurisprudence that the guarantee

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Speaker 16: of citizenship or citizenship rights of all individuals is guaranteed

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Speaker 16: an Article three. Yes, that's the rights of subject, and

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Speaker 16: that Article two is a uniquely Mary guarantee to hapu,

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Speaker 16: to collective groups with respect to their lands and times.

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Speaker 16: So I mean extrying to abstract Article two into some

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Speaker 16: sort of vagues liberal democratic equality before the law, but

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Speaker 16: it just makes no sense of the historical treating and

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Speaker 16: I think it makes no sense of how it developed treaties.

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Speaker 2: How the sounds. How the sounds is by arguing, for

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Speaker 2: for the fact that everybody should have a quality. If

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Speaker 2: that is not acceptable to the White Tiny Tribunal, then

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Speaker 2: the White Tiny Tribunal's position must be that there is

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Speaker 2: no equality and Mary has special rights over everybody else.

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Speaker 16: No, I don't agree with that. I mean, the tribunals

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Speaker 16: says quite clearly, you know, all New Zanders have equal

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Speaker 16: rights of citizenship. But that Article two provides, you know,

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Speaker 16: essential guarantees.

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Speaker 2: Other rights for Marty as other rights, other special rights,

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Speaker 2: well right, more rights.

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Speaker 3: Tame to.

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Speaker 16: Things that pertained to Mary as tribal people. I mean

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Speaker 16: that's the historical position.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yep, yeah, Sam, listen, I appreciate it's quite a

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Speaker 2: narly subject and when we probably need more time to

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Speaker 2: deal with. I really appreciate your time, doctor Sam Carpent,

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Speaker 2: a former White Tonguey tribunal historian now a researcher at

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Speaker 2: Laidlaw College Heather.

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Speaker 1: Due to Cela, New Zealand and.

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Speaker 2: Ozzie have committed to working in lockstep like never before

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Speaker 2: over security issues. Christopher Luxon and Elbow Anthony Albanezi have

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Speaker 2: wrapped up their bilateral meeting in Canberra and they've agreed

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Speaker 2: to activate the alliance if either nation faces a severe

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Speaker 2: cyber attack with US now on. This is international geopolitical

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Speaker 2: analyst Jeffrey mellahe Jeffrey, good evening here. What do you

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Speaker 2: make of the cyber attack thing?

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Speaker 5: It is interesting. I mean, look the change to New

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Speaker 5: Zeedan's independent foreign policy, I mean independent foreign policies over

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Speaker 5: Christopher lux and courted a nonsense last night at the

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Speaker 5: Lower Institute in Sydney. But these changes are revolutionary and

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Speaker 5: revolutionary at the same time. And each time at these

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Speaker 5: two leaders meet with seeing something new. And so this

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Speaker 5: is what was what was unveiled today, and it's just

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Speaker 5: really turning everything up a notch each time, and very

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Speaker 5: much in opposition to China. And that's the elephant in

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Speaker 5: the room and all of this that New Zealand really

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Speaker 5: is on the collision course with China now and it's

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Speaker 5: becoming clearer and clearer.

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Speaker 2: Head he's been accused of ea, this is Christopher Luxon

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Speaker 2: of exaggerating how bad things are in that speech last night.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's fair?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 5: I think Look, that speech was very very hawkish that

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Speaker 5: he gave last night, and in the Q and A

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Speaker 5: he was equally hawkish. And he, you know, in the

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Speaker 5: Q and A afterwards, he drew a straight line between

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Speaker 5: Ukraine and Asia and he was asked afterwards by journalists

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Speaker 5: about this and he mentioned Taiwan and then it's tried

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Speaker 5: to take it back and walk it back. And I

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Speaker 5: think there's a lesson there for Christopher Luxe. And he

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Speaker 5: does speak very quickly, he talks very quickly, and he

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Speaker 5: likes to answer very quickly. But some of these things

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Speaker 5: really really matter, and words matter usually in diplomacy. You've

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Speaker 5: got to be very very careful with your choice of words.

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Speaker 5: Beijing will be listening very closely to what he says,

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Speaker 5: and you know, you just have to be I think

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Speaker 5: you have to be a little bit more subtle here

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Speaker 5: with some of these things because there could be real

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Speaker 5: consequences here for New Zealander's. New Zealand's biggest trading partner

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Speaker 5: is China, thirty eight billion dollars worth of two way

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Speaker 5: trade and all of that could be at stake here.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey is so good to talk to you, mate. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. Jeffrey Miller, International geopolitical analyst. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you caught what Jeffrey just said there was

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Speaker 2: like you just said it, but it's a quite serious thing.

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Speaker 2: Could put New Zealand on a collision course with China.

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Speaker 2: So keep an eye on more commentary on that. Damien McKenzie,

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Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie, let's get you across all of this details

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Speaker 2: Now that could be our friends, our family, our neighbors.

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Speaker 2: real difference every daffodil. Daffodil represents a story of hope,

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00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: struggle and support, and it's about coming together when times

872
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: are tough, just like kiwis always do. So your donation,

873
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: big or small, can make a real difference to someone's journey.

874
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: It funds vital research, it helps the Cancer Society provide

875
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: support services, and it brings hope to those who need

876
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: it most. So let's make every daffodil count with A

877
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: and Z the stafford all day and show what New

878
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: Zealanders are made of. Text donate to two four four

879
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: two to get the link to make a donation.

880
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 9: Heather Duplessy, Ellen, I'm gonna get.

881
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: To your texts on the White Tongue Tribunal shortly and

882
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: get you across what's gone on with Demo nineteen past five.

883
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: Not everyone loves the idea of live gold a golf

884
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: holding an event in christ Church. Rumor has at the

885
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: Saudi Back Breakaway competitions looking at coming to the gardens

886
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: city maybe as soon as next year. Send some officials

887
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: over to have a look at the christ Church Golf Club.

888
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Sir Bob Charles is a patron of that club and

889
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: is with us now, Hi, Sir Bob.

890
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 3: Good evening.

891
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Why don't you love this?

892
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: Why don't I love love? Yeah? Because they are, how

893
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: do I what's the best way to describe it, creating

894
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: turmoil in the golf industry, And I don't like turmoil.

895
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: I don't They're they're breaking in on the traditional game

896
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: and they're trying to do something else, and I'm not

897
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: in favor of it. I'm a fifty year what should

898
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: we say, a member of the USPGA, I'm a honery

899
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: member of the Royal and Ancient. I'm uh fifty years.

900
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: I've been with the European Tour and I don't like

901
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 3: the what they have done to the game of golf.

902
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 3: It's taking away from its traditions, which I'm a traditionalist

903
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: and I just don't don't condone what they're what they're

904
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: trying to do, which is tearing, tearing the game of

905
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: golf apart.

906
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: So apparently the Adelaide thing is awesome and it sounds

907
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: like it's going to be great, and that wouldn't tempt you,

908
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: tempt me to what to go and have a look

909
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: if it's a great tournament, some wonderful golf.

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: Look, I know nothing about them coming to christ Church.

911
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: I haven't been informed about it. I wouldn't walk across

912
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: the street to see them play. In fact, if it's

913
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: in christ Church, I'll go to down the Millbrook as

914
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: far away as I can and and enjoying my own

915
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: golf in my own time. No, it's it's it's a

916
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: bit of a semi disaster. And the sooner that the

917
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: powers that be that I've spoken of of the Royal

918
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: and Ancient, the European Tour, the PGA two in the

919
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: United States, the sooner they sit down around the table

920
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: and sort it out and get back to the traditions

921
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: of the game, the game as it was played, the better. Yeah,

922
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned anyway.

923
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: So, Bob, thank you. I really appreciate your time. That

924
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: sir Bob Charles, legendary New Zealand golfer. All right, here

925
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: we go, Damien McKenzie. Damien McKenzie is not playing because

926
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie apparently got in trouble, according to The Herald

927
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: after the Fiji match, not on the day of the

928
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: Fiji match, not on the night of the Figi match.

929
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: The next day, missed the bus from San Diego all

930
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: the way back to Los Angeles. Now, apparently the bus,

931
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: we understand, left at five in the afternoon. So that's

932
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: that was a big night, wasn't it the night before?

933
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know, Maybe I don't know, maybe you're

934
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: still having a big night, but maybe you just have

935
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: a good sleep somewhere just but anyway, you missed the bus,

936
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: and that's a big no no. And so he had

937
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: to make a journey of two hundred and ten k's

938
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: to get himself to the airport. Now, the Herald had

939
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: a look at what you'd be paying if you were

940
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: apparently apparently they understand he wasn't an uber, and what

941
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: you'd be paying in an uber on today's rates to

942
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: go from from what that point to the other point,

943
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: we'd be costing him four hundred New Zealand dollars. But

944
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: if he wanted to be a flash guy, and look, frankly,

945
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to be a flash guy After a

946
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: big night sometimes you just need your comforts. And he

947
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: went for a black suv option cool one thousand dollars

948
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: to get yourself to the airport.

949
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 18: That would that be odd being an uber driver though,

950
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 18: and being like and the guy gets in the car

951
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 18: and you're like, Okay, where are we going? And he's like, oh,

952
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 18: Los Lax And you're like, oh, Lax Street on the

953
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 18: other side of San Diego, and he's like, no, Lax.

954
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 18: The airport in Los Angeles, the other city, be.

955
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: Thinking about and you could find get you there, get

956
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: Damien there. But then you've got to make your way.

957
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 18: To drive all the way back way or you've got

958
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 18: to find fears, like all the way down from LA

959
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 18: to San Diego. And what if you're about to clock

960
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 18: out for the night, like you're all done, You're like, okay,

961
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 18: I'll just do this one last right, Well.

962
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: This is true, but you do have the option of

963
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: a Nuba driver fortunately to decline. But with that one

964
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: thousand bucks, I hope you tipped, is what I'm saying. Oh, yeah,

965
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: I'd be like, get him in there five twenty three the.

966
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Name you trust to get the answers you need and

967
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: a dup to c Alan drive with one New Zealand

968
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk.

969
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 7: As they'd be.

970
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of texts saying actually we just

971
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: need to get on board with the change in the

972
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: Gulf world. We're going to talk to the sports tittle.

973
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: They'll be with us in about fifteen minutes five twenty six.

974
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 3: Listen.

975
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: I actually feel quite nervous about what TVNZ's got planned

976
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: at the moment because if this goes wrong, I'm worried

977
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: the taxpayers are going to end up carrying the can.

978
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: So apparently TVNZ is considering making us pay for some

979
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: of their content. At the moment, it's all free, but

980
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: they want to make us pay for things like sports

981
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: and you know, popular shows, maybe before they get released.

982
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: You'd pay it before before pay and see it earlier

983
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: than everybody else. And maybe you get like an ad

984
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: free premium. So some people are watching it for free

985
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: with the ads. You get to pay to take the

986
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: ads out. Now I've got a problem with any of

987
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: that that stuff. Smart, I mean, this is how they're

988
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: going to make TV ands at a modern business because

989
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: the old school way of just relying on the ads

990
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: on TV is not working anymore. And by relying on that,

991
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: they are actually right now about to lose about thirty

992
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: three million dollars this year alone. But it's the next

993
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: thing I'm nervous about. They now need to buy content

994
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: that they think that we will pay for. They are

995
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: apparently considering HBO, who are the people who make White

996
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: Lotus and Succession in House of the Dragon, And it's

997
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: fair enough because that stuff's popular, but also considering sport.

998
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: Now they've already got cricket that was given to them,

999
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: they've got netball, they've got a little bit of rugby,

1000
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: but sport is expensive. It's not a slam dunk. Spark

1001
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: tried it, Spark that was a massive flop. It lasted

1002
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: four years, lost them tens of millions of dollars, and

1003
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: eventually they just gave up and gave the cricket away,

1004
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: which is why TVNS has got the cricket. That worries

1005
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: me because this is a big financial gamble by a

1006
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 2: company that you can hardly say is well run, given

1007
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: that it's probably thirty three million dollars in the red

1008
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: and can't even make people redundant without that backfiring. If

1009
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: this doesn't work, unlike with a private company that will

1010
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: just carry the can itself. If this fails, it's on us,

1011
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: the taxpayers. I don't want to bail these guys out.

1012
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: They've got one hundred million bucks in cash reserves. But

1013
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: if they keep losing money like that at the moment,

1014
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: that's only going to last a few years. So I'm

1015
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: nervous about.

1016
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: This together, Duplessy, Alan geez.

1017
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: Damn that liberal democratic view that everyone has equal rights

1018
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: A Heather geez, Hither that equality business sounds dangerous? Here

1019
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: the Great Interview, This demonstrates a serious failure with the

1020
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: way some people are thinking. Here. The sam objective because

1021
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: his role requires him to the arguments he mounted, in

1022
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: my opinion, are exactly the things that most of us

1023
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: object to. I agree with that. Critics of the Treaty

1024
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Principles Bill are going to find that their only argument

1025
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: against it is that it makes everybody equal and some

1026
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: people deserve more rights than others. And that's not going

1027
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: to be very popular, is it. Headlines are next.

1028
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1029
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Here the duples see

1030
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1031
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: news talk as that'd be.

1032
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: Then Phosa feels like goody of just the right right

1033
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: who are coaches and people often fail to make departure times.

1034
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: Some take the uber to catch up. Auckland for white

1035
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: pillmore is approximately three hundred dollars handy to know, Thank

1036
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: you Auckland to hobbiton my favorite place is approximate I

1037
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: was if I was I was going to get on

1038
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: the Turks to be a hobbited, approximately three hundred and

1039
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: fifty dollars. How much did Damien actually pay it? Bet

1040
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't as much more I just told you before.

1041
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like four hundred bucks. Possibly at today's rates it's

1042
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: heaps more than that. Anyway, Listen, I don't think this

1043
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of discipline dropping him from the squad. If this

1044
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: is what's happened because of this works, we wouldn't talk

1045
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: to the sports title. They'll be with us shortly and

1046
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: right now. It's twenty three away from six now to

1047
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: Papa is going to start charging a thirty five dollars

1048
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: entry fee for international tourists starting next month. The National

1049
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Museum says it's because rising energy costs and insurance and

1050
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: staff costs all becoming a little bit expensive and they

1051
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: think this will bring in an additional five to ten

1052
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: million dollars per year. To PAPA spokesperson As Kate campaign

1053
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: Cape he cular Heather Kate, why is it taking you

1054
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: so long?

1055
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 4: Well, it's something we've thought about over the years quite

1056
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: a few times, and I think maybe it's just an

1057
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 4: idea that time has come.

1058
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 19: You know.

1059
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: I think, like a lot of places in New Zealand,

1060
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: we're facing rising costs and we are probably really lucky

1061
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: in that we have this option that we can take

1062
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: which we think is going to work for our international visitors,

1063
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: because we know the first thing most of them ask

1064
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: when they rock up to the door is where do

1065
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: I pay?

1066
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: How did you decide on thirty five bucks?

1067
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: We've benchmarked around different places. You know, you've got forty

1068
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: two to go out the sky Tower, it's thirty two

1069
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: it all from museum. It's twenty six to go into

1070
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: the Zeelandish Sanctuary here in Wellington. So we looked around

1071
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: at those benchmarks and we talk to our friends and

1072
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: tourism industry and wanted to set it. It's something that

1073
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 4: reflects the value that people get when they visit to Papa.

1074
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: Our international visitors spend on average two hours at to Papa,

1075
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 4: so you know they're investing a bit of time there,

1076
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 4: and yeah, we think it'll be give value for money

1077
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: for them.

1078
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried about your honesty box system

1079
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 2: that you're running here. Are you sure that you should

1080
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: be leaving it up to them to self fide defus

1081
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: tourists and then go buy a ticket.

1082
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean our biggest priority was, you know, to

1083
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 4: Papa's free for New Zealanders, always has been, always will be,

1084
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: and our number one priority was to make this easy

1085
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: for New Zealanders. So we wanted them to not have

1086
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 4: any barriers when they arrived. So that was what drove

1087
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 4: that decision. Of course, it's going to be a little

1088
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: bit of an experiment and we'll see how that works.

1089
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: But I think that you know, most people who travel

1090
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: to New Zealand, they've come a long way, they've invested

1091
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: a lot of time and money to get here, and

1092
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 4: most of them are looking for where they pay when

1093
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: they arrived. So I'm sure a few backpackers will claim

1094
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 4: there from Johnsonville or where parents next through.

1095
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: But listen, have you ever been to Auckland Museum.

1096
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, it was there just the other day.

1097
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, and they do this right, They've got the thing

1098
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: where it's very clearly free for Auckland's donation from anybody

1099
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: else in the country. And then the international guys charge

1100
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: and they have a little ticketing booth, don't they.

1101
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know the last time you're

1102
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 4: at to Papa We of course, our building is quite unique.

1103
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: We've got high volumes of people coming through that ground

1104
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: level and then we've got you know, it's quite a

1105
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 4: small area, and then we've got stairs in a lift

1106
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: leading up to the upstairs. So for us, it's a

1107
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 4: combination of making it easy for the Kiwi visitors but

1108
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: also the practicalities of our building. And look, if we

1109
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: find it's not working, we can tweak it.

1110
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 5: You know.

1111
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: Obviously we've never done it before, but this is where

1112
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 4: we wanted to start off. Anyway.

1113
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes you guys have got some exhibitions where everybody has

1114
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: to pay. Are you going to make the tour? So

1115
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: if I have to go and see Monet and pay

1116
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: twenty bucks, are you going to make them pay thirty

1117
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: five bucks plus twenty bucks.

1118
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the entry charge for internationals is for entry

1119
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 4: to the museum, and then there's other things they might

1120
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 4: add on top of that. They might add a tour,

1121
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: they might add a special exhibition, what have you. I

1122
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: mean again, our international visitors when they're in New Zealand,

1123
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: they usually hear for a good few weeks and they're

1124
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 4: really pushing the boat out in a lot of cases.

1125
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: So the advice we've had from other friends in the

1126
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: sector is that international visitors are often looking to do more,

1127
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: to spend more, to have that once in the life

1128
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 4: fun experience.

1129
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: Kate, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Kate Camp

1130
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: to Papa spokesperson, I'll put you wrong. The whole point

1131
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: of talking about Damien McKenzie is not that he got punished.

1132
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: It's that he didn't get punished. So let's talk to

1133
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: the sports huddle about it. Nineteen away from six.

1134
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty

1135
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: on Parallel Reach and Results.

1136
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 18: Text and to touts and that Capital Pas continues the

1137
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 18: old last lose again in Wellington.

1138
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 7: We're just thirty eight thirty.

1139
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: And he lives. I'm very disappointed in what they've done

1140
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: to the game of golf. I don't want anything to.

1141
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 9: Do with him for that matter, to play in the

1142
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 9: NRL's big deal, and I don't think we should just

1143
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 9: be handing out jerseys.

1144
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 7: We want to win every week and then to put

1145
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 7: the best team out there to win.

1146
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: On the sportshuddle with me this evening, Levina Goods, sports

1147
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: journalists just back from the Olympics, and Adam Cooper, host

1148
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: of the All Sports Briefists Wellington.

1149
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 6: Hello, are you too, evening?

1150
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 20: Yeah, I like that.

1151
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: I like that.

1152
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: Yep.

1153
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: Like just like pre into coops. I'm okay with Demo

1154
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: getting no punishment.

1155
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: How about you.

1156
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 20: Well, from what we know, absolutely, if it was just

1157
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 20: a genuine mistake of missing the bus supposedly according to

1158
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 20: this Herald article early evening after the day after the game,

1159
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 20: then for me that there's less of a suspicion around,

1160
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 20: you know, any anything that could get him into trouble

1161
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 20: or was worthy of suspension. Had he just been having

1162
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 20: a snooze and genuinely missed his alarm clock and missed

1163
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 20: the bus and having to do them alarm clock well

1164
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 20: after playing a game of rugby and maybe you know,

1165
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 20: being being out a few hours after the game, maybe

1166
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 20: he wanted to catch up on some sleep.

1167
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 7: I don't know, I can't.

1168
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 20: I'm just not overly reading too much into this other

1169
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 20: than it being a genuine mistake. Different timings of day,

1170
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 20: missing busses and things may be different. But I'm glad

1171
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 20: that this appears to have led to nothing so far.

1172
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 20: We know the All Blacks do punish people when they

1173
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 20: do get into trouble. Mark to Leia, we saw him,

1174
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 20: you know, be in trouble at the World Cup last year,

1175
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 20: and I remember back to Auckland where there was was

1176
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 20: that the Zookeeper's son bar here that when Aaron Cruden

1177
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 20: had a big night out there and mister flight to

1178
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 20: somewhere overseas South Africa. I think so there has been

1179
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 20: punishment before. So I would say if what Damian McKinsey

1180
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 20: did was serious, and given that he was possibly a

1181
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,959
Speaker 20: question mark even after last week's game, then we would

1182
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 20: have seen a punishment handed out by now what do

1183
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 20: you reckon, Leavina.

1184
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 17: It's taken a while to get out, like we've only

1185
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 17: just found out about it after that PGI in game,

1186
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 17: But now it has come out and we realized that

1187
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 17: he was still the first five. I actually totally agree, not.

1188
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 21: With you or Adam.

1189
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 17: I feel as though if Richie McCall was still the

1190
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 17: captain of the All Blacks and he had a player

1191
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 17: that didn't turn up on time to hop on a

1192
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 17: bas to head somewhere, then they'd be held accountable and

1193
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 17: be punished.

1194
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: For whatever reason.

1195
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: Kind of change in standards.

1196
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, it's complete, just because he's a good guy

1197
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 17: and a nice guy, and maybe just because he wasn't.

1198
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 17: I don't know, but I mean, there's protocol and you

1199
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 17: need to turn up on time, and there's this sense

1200
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 17: of worth when it comes to dotting the All Blacks Jersey,

1201
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 17: and I feel as so it was quite lackluster. It

1202
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 17: was a pretty poor decision, especially when you know lots

1203
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 17: of people, including me, are questioning whether or not he

1204
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 17: should be in that first five position first up. Anyway,

1205
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 17: I don't think get stun himself. I certainly wouldn't put

1206
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 17: him in there at the moment. He's not my first five,

1207
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 17: but neither is TJ Perdonada for me the first summer

1208
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 17: nine either.

1209
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: At this stage, I think that's a fair call. I

1210
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: mean Cope's TJ is lucky that he's back, isn't he?

1211
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think so.

1212
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 20: I mean, we all know what he's capable of, and

1213
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 20: he is a player that will give his one hundred

1214
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 20: and fifty hundred or two hundred percent every game he plays.

1215
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 20: But obviously you look at the eras last week, you

1216
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 20: look at where the All Blacks faulted. Some of those

1217
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 20: just wayward passing, you know, just weird angles with the ball,

1218
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 20: you know, getting across the park as a half back

1219
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 20: and as a first five, and Damien McKenzie they have

1220
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 20: to be responsible for some of that. So it's been

1221
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 20: interesting to see how Scott Robertson has dealt with his

1222
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 20: first loss as All Blacks coach. We were all anticipating

1223
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 20: on Thursday that we wouldn't see t J. Pettinada hold

1224
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 20: onto that nine jersey or even Damien McKenzie at ten,

1225
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 20: even though Scott Robinson are pretty much said straight after

1226
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 20: last week that he'd be sticking with him. So we're

1227
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 20: seeing Scott Robertson here stick with his guns.

1228
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 7: In theory.

1229
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 20: There's obviously been changes and the wings sevu Reese has

1230
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 20: been the ultimate you know, culprit here that has lost

1231
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 20: a spot in the twenty three altogether, but quite surprising

1232
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 20: not just with the nine and ten selections, but aside

1233
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 20: from one injury and force changed, are the entire forward

1234
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 20: pack stays identical as well, which that's probably the most

1235
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 20: surprising aspect for me, Heather, because they didn't have the

1236
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 20: best night in Wellington either last weekend.

1237
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: It's Levina. It's a team of second chances, isn't it.

1238
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: It kind of is, But isn't that weird?

1239
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 17: Like where does that come from? I mean, the All

1240
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 17: Blacks were out muscled upfront and in the breakdown, and

1241
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 17: apart from the group's injury and bringing into Mighty Williams,

1242
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 17: I think william should have been there in the first place.

1243
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 17: I mean, he's a big effective prop, but I honestly

1244
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 17: feel like maybe bring Ardi Severe back there in the flank.

1245
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 17: The Argentinian luses we're just so much better than ours

1246
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 17: and yet we haven't made changes there. And the attitude

1247
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 17: that I'm getting from our coaches the ABS deserve a

1248
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 17: chance at redemption and the timement, when did that happen

1249
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 17: to the All Blacks? You play a bad game, the

1250
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 17: forwards play crap. Change the forwards and also if your

1251
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 17: halfback isn't fast enough in distribution and isn't getting the

1252
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 17: kicks out, change the halfback. Where does this second chance

1253
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 17: come from? That's really new to me When it comes

1254
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 17: from the All Black selection panel and an All Blacks coach,

1255
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 17: it doesn't sit pretty with me here.

1256
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: It's totally different approach. Hey, guys, we' take a break.

1257
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Live next day. It's fourteen

1258
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: away from Sex.

1259
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty

1260
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: on parallel reach and results.

1261
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: So back of the sports huddle, Levina Good and Adam Cooper. Now, Levina,

1262
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: what do you make of Bob Charles's opposition to Live?

1263
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: Is he living in the past or is he actually

1264
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: get is a principal stance that he's taking.

1265
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 17: I understand his principal stance actually, but it's interesting. It

1266
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 17: kind of reminds me of the whole Sun City thing

1267
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 17: three or four decades ago and Live Golf. I mean,

1268
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 17: they're heavily backed by the Saudi Arabian says so much

1269
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 17: money and as we've realized in all forms of sport,

1270
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 17: at the moment, money talks and the stars are divided.

1271
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 17: There's multimillion dollar deals being offered to heaps of golfers,

1272
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 17: including Phil Nicholson and Karin Smith who have jumped to

1273
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 17: liv golf at the moment, and the PGA no longer

1274
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 17: has a monopoly. If you think about the effect it

1275
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 17: will have, well, maybe some people might say that Charles

1276
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 17: is a little old fashioned in it, but he's standing

1277
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 17: staunch with it and understand his appreciation for that. They

1278
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 17: did the closest it's come to New Zealand so far.

1279
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 17: Heather has been adelaide with a prize pool get this

1280
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 17: of forty three million New Zealand dollars. And it's attracting

1281
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 17: the younger viewers and it's been great for tourism. And

1282
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 17: I guess christ Church is saying, if we can get

1283
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 17: some younger people involved in golf, and if we can

1284
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 17: get more people tell our city it's a great thing.

1285
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 17: The generation Z they love it. In terms of the

1286
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 17: generation after that X Y L millennial, I'm not too sure.

1287
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 17: It's quite interesting. I get where Charles is coming from.

1288
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: I really do.

1289
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 17: Is it great or bad for the sport? I guess

1290
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 17: we have to wait and see, but it is actually happening.

1291
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: Coeps, what generation are you.

1292
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 20: I'm all for live. In fact, I'm based in Wellington.

1293
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 20: I might even book have tripped down to christ Church

1294
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 20: if lives hitting that zoomer proudly and you look at

1295
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 20: the star power this would bring. I mean it's not

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Speaker 20: the top top, but it is the close to the top.

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Speaker 20: You know, the Brighton de Chambeau, Brooks Keepka, you know

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Speaker 20: John Rahm, Patrick Reid, even Danny Lee, the kiw We've

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Speaker 20: tried to get him back to New Zealand so many

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Speaker 20: times over the years. Maybe this could be a final

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Speaker 20: homecoming for Danny Lee because he's part of this live circuit.

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Speaker 20: At the end of the day, it will get people there,

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Speaker 20: It's got star power, it will bring money in. I

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Speaker 20: know morally there are questions over it, but there isn't

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Speaker 20: all kinds of sport at the moment. You look where

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Speaker 20: cricket tournaments are, hell, do you look where you know

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Speaker 20: rugby is possibly doing this big Nations Cup tournament. You

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Speaker 20: can find issues with you know, funding and where the

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Speaker 20: money's come coming from in any kind of sport. And

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Speaker 20: I think we have to be open in New Zealand

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Speaker 20: to put on a show and get people involved and

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Speaker 20: they will go there and live in christ Church totally

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Speaker 20: respect where Sir Bob Charles comes from, with that traditions approach,

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Speaker 20: and there is always going to be that pushback.

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Speaker 7: But bring it on.

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Speaker 20: I say, bring lift to the zeal I.

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Speaker 2: Think we're all on board of that. Levina. Oh, the

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Speaker 2: Aussie Olympic Committee what a bunch of party poopers have

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Speaker 2: told us that we're bullying ray Gun and basically we

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Speaker 2: need to back off, but I don't want to back off.

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Speaker 7: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: It's really interesting?

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Speaker 17: When I was over in Paris, what I picked up

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Speaker 17: is this kind of seesaw emotion of public opinion. It

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Speaker 17: swayed back and forth like initially it was it was cringey,

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Speaker 17: how dare she? Then all of a sudden it was Oh,

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Speaker 17: it gave the ordinary person some hope, and now it's

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Speaker 17: swinging back to resentment. And I think, I honestly think

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Speaker 17: the thing is as a sports journalist, Heather, we live

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Speaker 17: vicariously through the athletes that we interview, and we always

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Speaker 17: know that we'll never get there. But all of a sudden,

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Speaker 17: Ray Gun's gone, oh wow, maybe there's a dunce I'll

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Speaker 17: be able to go compete at the Olympics, and we

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Speaker 17: think is it good.

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Speaker 5: Or is it bad to think?

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Speaker 17: I don't like I don't like the trolls. I don't

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Speaker 17: like that negativity. And some people are saying, well, she

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Speaker 17: took the position of someone that was really talented in breaking.

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Speaker 17: But in terms of the sport of breaking, is it art?

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Speaker 17: Is it a sport? That's a question that needs to

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Speaker 17: be asked. Did she take someone's position, That's a question

1342
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 17: that needs to be answerd Do we need to absolutely

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Speaker 17: degrade her completely publicly, That's a question that needs to

1344
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 17: be asked. What I do know is that more people

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Speaker 17: have watched Breaking than we could ever possibly imagine. And

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Speaker 17: you can put that down to.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by her coeps because I'm getting strong mum

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Speaker 2: vibes from her.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, yes, absolutely, But you know I don't actually feel

1351
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Speaker 20: sorry for her. Yes, bullying is bad, and I think

1352
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 20: you know, she's copying it a bit, but so is

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Speaker 20: anyone in the public spotlight. She's going to be able

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Speaker 20: to walk back into Australia and get speaking circuit work.

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Speaker 20: I reckon for the whole year, probably longer. She'll be

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Speaker 20: a household name. She'll be highly sought after. Everyone want

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Speaker 20: to hear her story, there'll be a book probably until

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Speaker 20: or three years.

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Speaker 7: You know, I.

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Speaker 20: Don't think we should feel sorry for it.

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Speaker 17: About the Jamaican Bob's Letters or Eddie the Eagle. I mean,

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Speaker 17: there were books and movies made about them as well,

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Speaker 17: and they didn't surpass anyone in their field or what

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Speaker 17: they had to do. I don't think she came out

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Speaker 17: there on purpose When I'm just gonna have a go

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Speaker 17: at a kangaroo hop and something on the ground and

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Speaker 17: see where it goes. I don't think that was the intent.

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Speaker 17: If she gets something out of it, it's great, But

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Speaker 17: I don't think she went out of a way to

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Speaker 17: take the sport into disrepute. But honestly, she's coughing it

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Speaker 17: at the moment.

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Speaker 4: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: I think I might have another cracketter actually after the well,

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Speaker 2: not a crack, just a little update after the break, guys,

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Speaker 2: it's wonderful to talk to the pair of you. Levina

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Speaker 2: Good Adam Cooper a sports tittle this evening seven away

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Speaker 2: from six, on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car

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Speaker 1: on your drive home. Heather Duplessy Allen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand one Giant leap for business news talk as.

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Speaker 2: It'd be Heather. Apart from the Gallipoli Exhibition to Papa's crap,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't pay thirty five cents for it, Jared, that's

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01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: so harsh but so correct. We had this discussion in

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Speaker 2: the newsroom today. The Gallipoli Exhibition is absolutely a mustsy

1385
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: and then after that some people who are still twelve

1386
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Speaker 2: years old like to go to the Shaky House, and

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Speaker 2: then after that you can talk about like and that's

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Speaker 2: the end of it. So yeah, I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't go there. Maybe I've overdone it, but it could

1390
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Speaker 2: be possible that I've overdone it. Maybe if you go

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Speaker 2: for the first time and you were at to Papa Virgin,

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Speaker 2: it's awesome. Hither, there's no way I could pay for

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Speaker 2: content on TV and Z, especially with their news. I'm

1394
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Speaker 2: happily happy to do without it. It's from Debbie. Actually,

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak to Duncan Grief. I'd like to

1396
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Speaker 2: know where the Duncan is is. He's a media expert,

1397
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Speaker 2: writes for the spin off. I'm quite keen to know

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Speaker 2: whether he's as nervous about TV and z's plans as

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Speaker 2: I am. So he's with us straight after six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Reygam Now she's broken her silence, right. She got slammed

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Speaker 2: for being awful, and a lot of this is coming

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Speaker 2: through to her online. But she has said that she's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of love as well, and she wants

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Speaker 2: us to know that that wasn't like her trying to

1405
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Speaker 2: ruin breakdowncing she actually was trying.

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Speaker 14: Well. I went out there and I had fun. I

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Speaker 14: did take it very seriously. I worked my butt off

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Speaker 14: preparing for the Olympics, and I gave my all. Truly.

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Speaker 2: What I find fascinating about her is she does not

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Speaker 2: look like a woman. She's a woman who is I

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01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: think maybe enjoying the publicity, and she's not going to

1412
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Speaker 2: take this lying down. She wants us to know it

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Speaker 2: wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 14: Bit of a fun fact for you, there are actually

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Speaker 14: no points in breaking. If you want to see how

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Speaker 14: the judges thought I compared to my opponents, you can

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Speaker 14: actually see the comparison percentages across the five criteria on

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Speaker 14: Olympics dot com or the results are there.

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Speaker 2: I went to Olympics dot com. I know what you're expecting.

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Speaker 2: You're expecting there's a revelation here where I tell you

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Speaker 2: actually she did quite well. Stand by we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that New Storks.

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Speaker 12: E'd b.

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Speaker 1: If we have business insight the business hour, we'd hit

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Speaker 1: a duplicy Ellen and my hr on Newstalks at b.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour. It's not

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Speaker 2: looking good for China. Foreign investors are pulling record amounts

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Speaker 2: of money from the country. Peter Lewis will run us

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Speaker 2: across that detail. Barry Soaper is going to wrap the

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Speaker 2: political week and Gavin Grays with us out of the

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Speaker 2: UK shortly at seven past six. Now, apparently TV and

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Speaker 2: Z is looking at some big changes that might cost

1433
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Speaker 2: you if you feel like parting with your cash. The

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Speaker 2: broadcaster reportedly wants to charge for some content like sport,

1435
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: and they are apparently also looking at offering a premium

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Speaker 2: option where TV and Z plus uses the ones who

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Speaker 2: use the online offering can pay to watch the content

1438
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Speaker 2: without the ads. Duncan Grieve is the host of the

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Speaker 2: Fold Media podcast at the spinoff High Duncan jo how

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Speaker 2: are you very well? Thank you? I mean, this has

1441
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Speaker 2: got to that this is what they have to do,

1442
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: so it's smart and we are going to pay for

1443
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Speaker 2: this stuff, aren't we?

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 21: It's smart in the sense that this is the playbook

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Speaker 21: that you know, digital media companies are rolling out worldwide.

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 21: The complicating fact to a TV UNZ is its public

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Speaker 21: ownership and the fact that this is a small media

1449
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 21: economy and Sky already exists and does a very good

1450
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 21: job in the same space. So there are complicating factors,

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01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 21: even notwithstanding the fact that it makes sense in a

1452
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 21: general playbook sense, are we going.

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Speaker 2: To pay enough for this content? Like how much would

1454
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: we pay for another offering in New Zealand that is

1455
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Speaker 2: peculiarly New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I think the fact that Spark, you know,

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Speaker 21: one of New Zealand's biggest corporates with a huge balance sheet,

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 21: could come into the space and you know, basically give

1459
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Speaker 21: it a red hot go and then walk away from

1460
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Speaker 21: it and hand it to TVNZ tells you that subscription

1461
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Speaker 21: sports streaming is not as easy as it looks. So

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Speaker 21: I think that's a complicating factor. And as you said, like,

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Speaker 21: if you're a sports fan, you're already paying for Sky

1464
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Speaker 21: and that's a minimum fifty bucks a month if you

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Speaker 21: want sports, So you know, it's a huge investment to

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Speaker 21: buy the rights in the first place. Because you'll be

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Speaker 21: biting against Sky and then if you're successful and you

1468
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Speaker 21: can't get the customers, what then. And I think that's

1469
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Speaker 21: probably the big question back of it.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that I'm worried about Duncan is

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Speaker 2: that they go and they pay heaps and heaps of

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Speaker 2: money for sport, which, as you say, is expensive, heaps

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Speaker 2: and heaps of money to take HBO off Sky, but

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Speaker 2: then we don't pay them enough to cover those bills.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's got to be a real risk.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think that that's where you also get to

1477
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Speaker 21: a place of like what is the function of TV

1478
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Speaker 21: and Z, Like what why does the public owing at

1479
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 21: Because when it's free to wear making, you know, pushing

1480
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Speaker 21: predominantly New Zealand made news and entertainment content, you can

1481
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 21: really see it. When it's a PayTV service that's competing

1482
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Speaker 21: against Sky to buy the HBO contract or bid up

1483
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 21: the cost of sports rights, it's quite a different situation,

1484
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Speaker 21: you know, like it doesn't have that same kind of

1485
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Speaker 21: transparent public good that TV and Z currently has. So

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Speaker 21: and I think particular in the situation where it's canceling

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Speaker 21: some of those shows the Lights of Sunday and Fair go,

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Speaker 21: and then it's going to turn around and try and

1489
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Speaker 21: bid for expensive sports rights and entertainment rights, especially given

1490
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Speaker 21: that the cost of bidding for pay TV rights versus

1491
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Speaker 21: free to wear rights is significantly more. You know, you're

1492
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Speaker 21: talking about transforming the company, and to do that, you're

1493
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Speaker 21: going to need a real manner. I'm just not sure

1494
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Speaker 21: that TVNZ has that.

1495
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Speaker 1: So what should we do?

1496
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: Should we just sell it?

1497
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Speaker 7: Well?

1498
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Speaker 21: I think that the thing with TVNZ is if you're

1499
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Speaker 21: going to sell it, and there's an argument to be made,

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Speaker 21: you probably wanted to do that ten years ago about

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Speaker 21: when Telecom sold Yellow was when you wanted to be

1502
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Speaker 21: selling TV and Z. You own it now. There's still

1503
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 21: a lot of public good that exists in it. But

1504
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Speaker 21: I personally am a bit sort of I don't know.

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Speaker 21: I'm not certain that by you know, going down the

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Speaker 21: path of subscriptions and you know, competitive bidding against s

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Speaker 21: guy for sports rights, you're really transforming the company and

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Speaker 21: you've got a very uncertain outcome. I think that the

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Speaker 21: free to wear model of TV and Z. I've done

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 21: a tremendous with TVNZ. Plus I still think that there

1511
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 21: is a lot of money on the table there. They

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 21: don't put a lot of ads on it, so you

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 21: know there's a lot of risk in it. While it's logical,

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Speaker 21: it's very risky.

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Speaker 2: I think, Oh good, okay, so I'm right to feel nervous.

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Speaker 2: You sound like you're nervous too.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, absolutely, And I think also, you know, you can

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Speaker 21: see it from if you're I can see that the

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 21: value and TV and Z bidding alongside Sky for some

1520
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 21: sports rights and saying, you know a lot of you

1521
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 21: know in New Zealand, New Zealand rugby, and you know,

1522
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 21: I think a lot of our sports cars like so

1523
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 21: the NRL, if they could do it over again, I

1524
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 21: think they'd probably not have given all the sports rights

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01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 21: to Sky. That have said we need some free to

1526
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 21: wear to keep it a mass product, and we need

1527
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 21: some on PayTV to make some money. So there is

1528
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 21: a logic too having a split between free to wear

1529
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 21: and pay But the idea that TV and Z would

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 21: would bid against Guy take the whole of the sports

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 21: rights and then create a new pay TV package when

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 21: it has got no history with subscriptions like that, that's

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Speaker 21: a whole new ball game. It doesn't have the technology

1534
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 21: it's got, No, can't have any confidence that can pull

1535
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 21: us off. It might, but if it doesn't, we're on

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01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 21: the hook.

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Speaker 2: Duncan, It's been good to talk to you as always,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your expertise. That's Dunk and Grieve, host of

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: the Fold podcast at the spin off that what did

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: I tell you?

1541
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 9: Be very nervous.

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Speaker 2: They got hundred million bucks in the bank, right, and

1543
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: if they run a loss like they're running this year,

1544
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: it's gone in three years and then what twenty twenty

1545
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: seven they're like, hey, can we have some money? Please? No, thanks,

1546
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 2: not into that. Here we go, Raygun. So Raygun told

1547
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: us we have to go and look at the breakdown

1548
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Speaker 2: of what the Olympics people actually rated her aunt and

1549
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Speaker 2: the implication there was it will be better when you

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Speaker 2: understand my scores.

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Speaker 1: Girl, No it's not.

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: So she did round one, in round two one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

1553
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: eight nine judges, right, nine judges, and they marked her

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01:12:54,600 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: on six different things overall technique, vocabulary, originality, execution, and musicality.

1555
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: So for each of the rounds there are nine judges

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Speaker 2: or ten one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine. Okay,

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: so there was nine times six is what ants? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: There were fifty four different options there where she could

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01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: different fifty four different little voting things where you could

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01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: be like, oh, how many of them did she win?

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Speaker 2: Round one out of fifty four she won.

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Speaker 17: Two.

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Speaker 2: One of them was the Spanish judge gave her a

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Speaker 2: one percent lead for originality, and the Korean judge gave

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Speaker 2: her a called virus gave her as a plus zero

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: point eight percent lead for originality. And then in round

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Speaker 2: two out of fifty four, she won two. The Japanese

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Speaker 2: judge gave her a point eight percent lead for vocabulary

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: and the Korean virus likes her a point two percent

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: lead for originality. She lost everything else, So tell her

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Speaker 2: us to go and look at the full scores on

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Speaker 2: Olympics dot com. Did not make the situation better for her.

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Speaker 2: The best that she won by, right, The greatest margin

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: that she beat her opponents by was one percent. The

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Speaker 2: greatest margin that she lost by was forty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, right, ray Gun's not hating this. Do not

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Speaker 2: think she's hating it. If you go look at the

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Speaker 2: video of her, She smiling the whole way through. She

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Speaker 2: loving the attention, quarter pasted, crunching.

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Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's head dupic Ellen

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Speaker 1: with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR

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Speaker 1: platform for SME on newstalksb.

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Speaker 2: Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us in about twenty minutes. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it's seventeen past six now Barry Soper, senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 2: raps the political week for us obviously, welcome back, Barry,

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Speaker 2: Hello again, Hello Mary. How much credit can the government

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Speaker 2: take for the fact that the Reserve Bank has cut

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01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: the OC out this week?

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Speaker 13: Well, I've got to say, looking across the media circus,

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 13: they haven't been given very much credit at all. But

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Speaker 13: when you consider the urgent legislation that they passed in

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 13: the first hundred days, much of it was business friendly.

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Speaker 13: And when you make it easier for business to operate

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 13: in this country, then you know, things like inflation tend

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 13: to come back a bit. And certainly the prediction is

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Speaker 13: the next inflationary figure will be in the Reserve Bank's

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01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 13: target of one to three percent. And I think the government,

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 13: as Chris Luckson did to the media this week, took

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Speaker 13: a lot of credit. So did Nicola Willis, saying that

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01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 13: you know, we've created a climate that is more conducive

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Speaker 13: to a growing economy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the government is the biggest spender in

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 2: the country, right and they've cut back massively, so that

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01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: will contribute to bringing it back. But then they'd give

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 2: us tax carts, which will contribute to fueling it a

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: little bit. So it's probably just balanced, isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Well, yes, there is a balance there. But I think,

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 13: you know, the general mood of the economy, and mood

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 13: means a lot when it comes to, you know, an

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,440
Speaker 13: economy being successful. I think the mood will be reinstated

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 13: with maybe lower interest rates. Certainly for business it will be,

1613
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 13: and no doubt for homeowners as.

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01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, whether or not they should claim credit for it,

1615
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: they will claim credit and if we feel better then

1616
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 2: we will like the government more. Right that that's just

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: the truest somatic. It helps them out, doesn't it totally

1618
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: does How Luckein's was it Australia.

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 13: Well, you know they're the best of mates, the cousins

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01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 13: Country cousins Albanes for years.

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Speaker 7: Well yeah, you know, you're.

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Speaker 13: The closest friend that we've got and what have you.

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Speaker 13: When it comes to the sensitive issues like the three thousand,

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 13: six hundred and five oh ones that have been deported

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 13: from Australia to New Zealand since those deportations started in

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Speaker 13: twenty fourteen. Then they sort of backpedal a bit. Even

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01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 13: Chris Luxon, you remember Jacinda Dern in front of Scott

1628
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 13: Morrison described it as corrosive to the New Zealand Australia relationship. Well,

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01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 13: Luxon was much more diplomatic than that. He said, look,

1630
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 13: we beg to differ. We think it's unfair that people

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 13: are being sent back to our country that have really

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Speaker 13: little association.

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Speaker 2: Isn't really that high on the agenda. What it was

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01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: really about was infrastructure yesterday and foreign policy today.

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Speaker 7: Foreign policy and cyber attacks.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot of concentration on that and how the

1637
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 13: Five Eyes are going to obviously ramp up their efforts

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01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 13: along those areas, and how New Zealand and Australia will

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 13: cooperate with each other. That comes as no surprise at all,

1640
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 13: but you know, it's the country cousin and the five

1641
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 13: oh ones. It always sticks in my craw and it

1642
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 13: has done for some time because what they're doing simply

1643
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 13: is fueling the gang culture in this country. And we've

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 13: seen many examples of that with a very high number

1645
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 13: of these people being deported from Australia offending in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Berry, So the genetic engineering thing, right, You've come

1647
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: around to agreeing with me on this, which is that

1648
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: it is that it's remark how quickly we've gone from

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: being like wildly opposed to it just completely chilled the back.

1650
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Speaker 7: Well, I always agreed that it was.

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 13: I mean, it's extraordinary when you think about it, when

1652
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 13: you think, you know, way back when Helen Clark was

1653
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 13: a Prime minister, nine thousand people marched in the streets

1654
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 13: here in Auckland and she was called a dictator even

1655
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 13: though they hadn't even made a decision to lift the band,

1656
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 13: which of course they didn't. They extended the ban and

1657
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 13: I found it extraordinary really that when you consider this

1658
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 13: band as band is going to be lifted next year.

1659
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 13: Then we've heard a whimper from the opposition. The Greens

1660
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 13: are saying, yeah, we should have the debate, but they

1661
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 13: certainly haven't ruled out supporting it. That's a massive shift

1662
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 13: on that part.

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Speaker 2: What has actually been interesting about this week is that

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Speaker 2: the government's done a couple of things that have been

1665
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,440
Speaker 2: quite significant, like the crackdown on beneficiaries with the sanctions

1666
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 2: and then of course the genetic engineering thing, and not

1667
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: a lot of opposition.

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01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 13: No, there hasn't been, although the crackdown on beneficiaries, there's

1669
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 13: been a lot of commentary on that saying that you

1670
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 13: know it's going to be tough on beneficiaries. Well, my

1671
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 13: view is that if you are on a benefit then

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01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 13: you've got certain responsibilities.

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01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and I agree with you. But what's going on

1674
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: with Labor? I mean they're supposed to lead the opposition

1675
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: and that's so cool.

1676
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 7: Well they have they've been quiet this week. I don't know.

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01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 13: Maybe the parliament's been in recess, so maybe they're having

1678
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 13: a bit of a holiday putting their feet up.

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01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe so. Hey, Barry, thank you very much. Enjoy

1680
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Speaker 2: your weekend. Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondent, Wrapping the political week.

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Speaker 2: That was a little bit more. Actually, I the other

1682
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: day I was very nice to Adrian or because it

1683
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 2: was the day that he made the right decision. But

1684
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 2: I need to tell you something about Adrian order just

1685
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: to give you an idea of how badly he stuffed

1686
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,959
Speaker 2: things up. Will do that next six to twenty.

1687
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 9: Two, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

1689
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME News Talk.

1690
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: Sa'd be okay. So I know Adrian or doesn't want

1691
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: to admit any mistakes. I think the rest of us

1692
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: probably don't need him to admit any mistakes because we

1693
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 2: know he's cooked the economy. But it may surprise you

1694
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: to know how badly he's cooked the economy. So I

1695
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 2: was reading Robert McCulloch's blog. He's an economics professor at

1696
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 2: Auckland University, and he's pointed out just how bad things

1697
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: are already. Says, I mean, obviously I'm saying this to you.

1698
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: We are in recession, possibly for the third time right now,

1699
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: Robert says, our GDP for this year, taking into account

1700
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: the recession that we're probably in, may grow by zero

1701
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: point two percent. Right, that's nothing like that's just slightly

1702
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: above flatlining. So we we're and if you add in

1703
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: the per capita the population growth, we're going backwards. But

1704
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: let's just take it at face value and we'll go

1705
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: with the plus two percent, so we're not in recession

1706
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: across the year, which growing the titinius a little bit.

1707
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: It's nothing. By comparison, he points out, the global economic

1708
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: growth is running at three point two percent this year.

1709
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: That is how off the pace we are. Everybody else

1710
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 2: is growing at an average of three point two percent

1711
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 2: and US zero point two percent. The latest update of

1712
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 2: GDP growth numbers put New Zealand at around one hundred

1713
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 2: and eighty third out of one hundred and ninety nations.

1714
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty third out of one hundred and ninety.

1715
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: We are one of the slowest growing on the planet.

1716
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: Below US in twenty twenty four are Yemen. They are

1717
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: in civil war, Estonia, Haiti, Thearre in civil war, Puerto Rico, Sudan,

1718
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: Thearre in civil war, Kuwait and Argentina, which is a

1719
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: gigantic cotcase. So we are we are beating what three

1720
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Speaker 2: countries in civil war a couple of others on a cockcase.

1721
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: How did this happen, says Robert McCulloch, were basically the

1722
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank stuffed up monetary policy on an industrial scale.

1723
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 2: It went berserk printing money from twenty twenty all the

1724
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: way through to twenty twenty two, and then went berserk

1725
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: reversing itself in hiking rates in a scorched earth, blitz

1726
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: creek until yesterday, overreacting every time, how much does he

1727
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: nail that? I was shocked, Actually, I went to have

1728
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: look back at something. Remember the Funding for Lending program

1729
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 2: where the Reserve Bank was pumping cheap money into the banks.

1730
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: I was shocked. It only ended December twenty twenty two,

1731
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: and I was shocked to go back and look at

1732
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: the inflation rate and realize inflation had been above where

1733
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: it should have been for eighteen months, and for eighteen

1734
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: months he kept on pumping that money in. Isn't that crazy?

1735
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's head Duplice

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01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business hours thanks to my HR, the

1738
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on US talks Edbud.

1739
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 9: Poltarically.

1740
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: Some of the tanks that were donated by the UK

1741
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: to the Ukraine were used in that surprise incursion in

1742
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: to Russia. We're gonna have a track to Gavin Gray.

1743
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: He'll be with us in ten minutes time and talk

1744
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: us through it. Right now, it's twenty five away from

1745
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: seven now. Peter lewis our Asia Business correspondence with us.

1746
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 2: Hey Peter, what do you make of Thailand's new prime minister.

1747
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 19: Well, yes, this has been an interesting week because the

1748
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 19: Prime Minister, Shreta Talasin, who was running the country, was

1749
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 19: dismissed by the Thai Constitutional Court, which in effect is

1750
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 19: the top court, the Supreme Court of Thailand. This is

1751
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 19: now the third time the Constitutional Court dismissed the prime

1752
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 19: minister in the past few years, and some people say

1753
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 19: that this Constitutional Court has become very very political. So

1754
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 19: now what has happened is there's another member of the

1755
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 19: Shinawatra family, tax In Shinhwata's daughter has become the new

1756
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 19: prime Minister in a vote in parliament today. There were

1757
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 19: no other candidates, so this will now be the third

1758
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 19: member of the very decisive, divisive Shinawatra family who will

1759
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 19: now take off it. She has no experience at all

1760
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 19: of government. She's never had a government position before. She's

1761
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 19: never had any administrative position at all before either. And

1762
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 19: in fact, she wasn't even the leader of the Putai

1763
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 19: Party just a year or so ago. And then the

1764
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 19: Putai Party itself, which is really providing the prime minister

1765
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 19: at the moment, didn't win the election last year in

1766
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 19: May twenty three. You may remember it was actually the

1767
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 19: Move Forward Party, which was the very youth sort of

1768
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 19: movements if you like, in Thailand. It had a lot

1769
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 19: of support among young people. They wanted to make some

1770
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 19: big changes to the constitution in Thailand, and they won

1771
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 19: that election in a landslide, but then by some maneuvering

1772
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 19: by the conservatives and the military, they were in effect

1773
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 19: ousted from taking power and the leader Moved Forward in fact,

1774
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 19: was banned from ever holding a political position by the

1775
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 19: Constitutional Court. So here we are back almost where we

1776
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 19: started from. Another member of the Shinawatra family in power,

1777
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 19: and she will no doubt consult her father on a

1778
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 19: regular basis about decisions that are going to be taken.

1779
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,919
Speaker 19: But actually Shinawatra is an effect back in power in Thailand.

1780
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Peter Listen, is there anything coming out of China in

1781
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: terms of economic data that's good?

1782
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 9: Not?

1783
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 19: Really. All the data that we've seen so far is

1784
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 19: really indicating that the downturn in China is quite long lasting.

1785
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 19: And the recent data that we had, which are things

1786
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 19: like retail sales, industrial production, fixed FACID investments, were all

1787
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 19: rather gloomy. Retail sales did grow a little bit more

1788
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 19: than expected, but still way down on what we used

1789
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 19: to see a couple of years ago. Fixed FAST's investment

1790
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 19: was really drag lower once again by the property sector.

1791
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 19: Fixed fact investment was down over ten percent, but residential

1792
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 19: property sales were down twenty six percent. So all knows

1793
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 19: sign of the bottom in the property market in China,

1794
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 19: which is really the source of all the economic problems

1795
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 19: that are going on. And what the data suggests is

1796
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 19: that it hasn't really stabilized even after almost three years

1797
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 19: of declines. We haven't reached a plateau yet. So that's

1798
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 19: dragging everything else down in the economy, particularly on the

1799
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 19: consumer side. The consumer just doesn't want to spend at

1800
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 19: the moment because they're seeing the value of their property

1801
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 19: decline month after month, so they're holding back, they're saving,

1802
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 19: they're not borrowing. And as a result, this is a

1803
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 19: plane that's just flying on one engine, which is really exports.

1804
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 19: It's relying very much on being able to export things

1805
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 19: like electric vehicles around the world for its growth.

1806
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: And so is it concerns about the economy that's causing

1807
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 2: the foreign invest to support this money out, Yes, that is.

1808
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 19: One of the concerns. There is an economic downstone. I

1809
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 19: think there is a bigger concern, and that is that

1810
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 19: almost that market itself has become uninvestable. They foreign fund

1811
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 19: managers have said this because there is now so much

1812
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 19: interference by the governments in the workings of the market,

1813
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 19: in trying to manipulate the market, banning certain types of investments,

1814
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 19: plamping down on, in particular the free flow information, which

1815
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 19: is absolutely essential to really have confidence in the market. Well,

1816
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 19: because the data has been bad, what the government tends

1817
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 19: to do is to ban that data from being released.

1818
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 19: So it's now stopping, for example, data being released on

1819
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 19: who's buying and selling certain stocks, how much foreign investment

1820
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 19: is going into the markets, and that's causing foreigners to

1821
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 19: pull away because it makes the market very opaque. And

1822
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:57,919
Speaker 19: what investors really want in there financial markets is that's balancing.

1823
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 19: They want more data, not lets sees her.

1824
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very fair point. Hey, I'm Peter. It's

1825
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: always good to talk to you. We'll talk to you

1826
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: next week and look after yourself mate. That's Peter Lewis,

1827
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong, nineteen away from

1828
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: seven Heather du Heither, Who is Adrian respond accountable to?

1829
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: Why does he still have his job? The answer is

1830
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 2: the same thing Grant Robertson and Grant Robertson, and so

1831
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: that's why we ended up with this situation. Heither has

1832
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 2: anyone asked Ashley Bloomfield about the health system mess to

1833
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: see if it was the bad under him and he

1834
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: covered it up. Ben, thank you for asking this question.

1835
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to get to the Ashley Bloomfield thing.

1836
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna tell you about Ashley Bloomfield because I

1837
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: felt like it's a Friday and you do not need

1838
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: to get triggered. But Ben brought it up, and so

1839
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 2: let's go for it. Okay. Ashley has decided to pipe

1840
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: up in the current health debate and venture his opinion

1841
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: that it is not helpful for the likes of I

1842
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: don't know, Lester Levy and other people to say that

1843
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 2: the health system is in a crisis, because according to Ashley,

1844
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: actually it's delivering for a lot of people. So that's

1845
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: not a crisis, is it. I mean this on the

1846
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: day that Farnarre's ED is in code black and cannot

1847
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: accept any more people because it's one hundred and fifty

1848
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: capacity one hundred and fifty percent capacity. Ashley Bloomfield has

1849
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: piped up and said, that's not helpful to say that

1850
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 2: it's a crisis. Now, I thought, okay, when we were

1851
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: going through the COVID thing and Ashley was doing all

1852
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: this spin, and I just assumed that the reason he

1853
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 2: was doing the spin was because his job depended on

1854
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: it and he really liked Jacinda and he was trying

1855
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: to look after Jacinda, and so he was trying to

1856
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: make things better by just, you know, arguing that the

1857
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 2: sky is not blue repeatedly. I thought, that's what I thought,

1858
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: that politics is what motivated him. But now he doesn't

1859
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 2: have to do this stuff anymore, and he continues to

1860
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 2: do it. And I'm starting to understand that maybe Ashley

1861
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: just lives in La La Land all the time. Is

1862
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: it possibly that or potentially, as Ben has suggested, maybe

1863
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: the truth is actually much more simple. He's not as

1864
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 2: he's not deluded, just responsible for it, and so he's

1865
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: trying to butt cover even out that's possibly the case. Listen,

1866
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 2: no more, Ashley, That's enough of it. We don't need.

1867
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 2: That's your single trigger point for the COVID thing, for

1868
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: the remainder of the show and from here on, and

1869
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: it's everything else need to tell you what's going on

1870
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: in Auckland with the liquor rules. This is not a

1871
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: good idea. So apparently there's going to be a ban

1872
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: on supermarkets and bottle stores selling booze after nine pm,

1873
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: and not only that, there will also be in twenty

1874
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,799
Speaker 2: three high risk places. This is very paternal a stirk

1875
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 2: in twenty three high risk places, but also in the

1876
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 2: central city. There will be no more new liquor stores

1877
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 2: for two years. And this is going to come into

1878
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 2: Falls in December. And the reason it's coming into Falls

1879
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 2: in December is because this plan has already been approved

1880
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: by the Alcohol Regulatory and Licensing Authority at Auckland Council

1881
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 2: and all it needs now is the final stamp of

1882
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 2: approval from the Mayor and the Counselors, which is due

1883
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 2: to happen in two weeks time on August twenty nine,

1884
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: and then there's a three month standdown period and then bang,

1885
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 2: you're in force. What just before New Year's Eve? Cool guys, yeah,

1886
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: real great idea. Dumb idea, because this is a city

1887
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 2: trying to attract international events and visitors in right and

1888
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 2: be a cool place to come to. So we're gonna

1889
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 2: have sale GP here next year and various other events

1890
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 2: where international visitors will be coming to Auckland and they're

1891
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 2: gonna want to carry on the party because they're here

1892
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 2: at to a party. They're here to have a holiday, right,

1893
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: so they're gonna they're gonna want to go back to

1894
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: the hotel room, walk past the liquor store, maybe grab

1895
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 2: a bottle of bubbles with the bird that they're taking back.

1896
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: No no booze because it's nine oh one pm and

1897
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 2: you are not to have any more, said Auckland Council.

1898
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: Or maybe I don't know, they're going to they've been

1899
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: out doing stuff. They want to go to a tie

1900
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: for a late b yo stop and buy no no

1901
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 2: alcohol nine oh one pm. Or I don't know. Maybe

1902
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 2: more likely, given that they're flash guys at sale GP,

1903
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 2: Sir Russell has invited them around to I don't know,

1904
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: his flash mansion where I don't know, maybe her and

1905
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: Bay I don't know. And he says, ah, we don't

1906
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 2: haven't just a quick get I haven't. I haven't thought

1907
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 2: about this. Can you grab some bubbles? No, no bubble

1908
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: because New Worlt's not allowed to sell them to you.

1909
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 18: Surely Sir Russell has a gigantic and beautiful wine cellar

1910
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 18: and big.

1911
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 2: You don't know, he might not be a very organized guy.

1912
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: He might not be married, which like and that just

1913
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: automatically makes him not organized because it's always the wife

1914
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: that took them us.

1915
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 18: I suppose he probably doesn't necessarily give away one hundred

1916
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 18: year old stuf out of everything else.

1917
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 2: Right, so cool, So I'm like fully in support of

1918
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: us going back to nineteen fifties New Zealand. Well done,

1919
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 2: Auckland Council. I'm just hoping that some common sense prevails

1920
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 2: between now and August twenty nine, or maybe somebody can

1921
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 2: put some pressure on them.

1922
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Who knows quarter two, whether it's macro, MicroB or just

1923
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: plain economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather

1924
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME

1925
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: used top.

1926
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: UK corresponding Gavin Grays with us, Hey, Gavin, are they

1927
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: going to be any ramifications over those tanks, those UK

1928
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: tanks crossing into Russia?

1929
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 22: Well that's what the I suppose the fear is, but

1930
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Speaker 22: we don't have it officially for the Ministry Defense. But

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Speaker 22: we do now know that the tanks Challenger two tanks

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Speaker 22: they're called being used inside Russia by Ukraine were donated

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Speaker 22: by the UK.

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Speaker 4: And the.

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Speaker 22: Storm Shadow missiles that the UK has provided, well, they've

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Speaker 22: been provided on the understanding they won't be fired at

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Speaker 22: targets inside Russia. But apparently the tanks were told they

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Speaker 22: were told of the tanks they can go anywhere they wanted.

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Speaker 22: So it's an interesting one and it's certainly one that

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Speaker 22: the UK led the way on in the early days

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Speaker 22: of providing military assistance to Ukraine. In twenty thirteen they

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Speaker 22: provided fourteen Challenger two tanks to help Ukraine, but that

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Speaker 22: was for the Summer offensive, which you'll remember was really

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Speaker 22: not very successful at all, and one of the tanks

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Speaker 22: was destroyed in that operation. So we believe they've got

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Speaker 22: the thirteen left, and we believe it's those that are

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Speaker 22: forging the way in this attack inside Russia. And the

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Speaker 22: question is Russia says it will respond, How will it

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Speaker 22: respond and not just against Ukraine? Will it look at

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Speaker 22: those countries for the supplied arms, the US and Germany,

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Speaker 22: the prominent players along with the UK in that, and think, well,

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Speaker 22: in that case, we're going to have a go at

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Speaker 22: them too.

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Speaker 2: What do we think I mean? Is that a chance?

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Speaker 22: I don't think we're likely to see any action directly

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Speaker 22: on those countries. But I do think that Germany's gear

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Speaker 22: that Russia is gearing up for perhaps other ways of

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Speaker 22: trying to hit the UK, Germany and America again, perhaps

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Speaker 22: in an economic way of freezing out. But of course

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Speaker 22: it's very difficult because already so many sanctions have been

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Speaker 22: given on Russia that I suspect there's not much they

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Speaker 22: can do. But the threat is there.

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Speaker 2: Devin, listen. I see the government's going to offer some

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Speaker 2: compensation to the infected blood victims, but how much are

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Speaker 2: we talking about?

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Speaker 22: Well, it could be up to four and a half

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Speaker 22: million New Zealand dollars per person, but that is for

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Speaker 22: the worst case scenario. So back between nineteen seven and

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Speaker 22: nineteen ninety one, thirty thousand people were infected with HIV

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Speaker 22: and hepatitis CE from contaminated blood products and transfusions. It's

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Speaker 22: been called the worst treatment disaster in the history of

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Speaker 22: the National Health Service. Three thousand, one tenth of them

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Speaker 22: have since died, many of them hemophiliacs given infective blood

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Speaker 22: products as part of their treatment. And it's the ones

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Speaker 22: who have been really affected the worst with health who

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Speaker 22: are going to receive the biggest payments. There was concern,

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Speaker 22: having had this all agreed with the previous government, that

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Speaker 22: a change of government might slow things up. Not so

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Speaker 22: the new Labour government is saying no, we're going to

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Speaker 22: do this and we're going to start paying by the

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Speaker 22: end of the year. There have been a few eyebrows

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Speaker 22: rays about the amount of money this is going to cost.

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Speaker 22: If you do the maths, four and a half million

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Speaker 22: New Zealand dollars time thirty thousand is a lot of money.

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Speaker 22: But this has been an absolute scandal. They were apparently

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Speaker 22: often buying the blood from America and as we're getting

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Speaker 22: it donated by often prisoners, and of course some of

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Speaker 22: those prisoners were in prison for drug offenses. So that's

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Speaker 22: how this whole infection scandal has happened. A very sorry

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Speaker 22: tale for everyone involved.

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Speaker 2: How did the trainee at Belfast Zoo get locked in

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Speaker 2: with the lions?

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Speaker 22: I do not know, and an investigation is underwear. Yes

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Speaker 22: you heard it right here. We're not talking a trainee,

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Speaker 22: but we are talking somebody very young in Belfast Zoo

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Speaker 22: literally locked in with the lions. Belfas City councilor says

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Speaker 22: the circumstances are being investigated. We're being told the person

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Speaker 22: is aged over eighteen and was in the zoo as

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Speaker 22: a training capacity. The British and Irish Association of Zoos

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Speaker 22: and Aquariums is informed and will be working throughout the

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Speaker 22: investigation process. Incidentally, just if you're bothered, Belfast Zoo has

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Speaker 22: barbary lions. They are the largest lion subspecies and can

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Speaker 22: measure one meter in height at the shoulder and three

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Speaker 22: and a half meters in length with a sort of

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Speaker 22: weight in excess of two hundred and thirty kilograms. So

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Speaker 22: we are talking a pretty scary experience for somebody locked

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Speaker 22: in with the pride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds really cool, Gavin, Thank you very much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent eight away from seven.

2010
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

2011
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talk.

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Speaker 2: Zip Hither, I'm a GP. I've diagnosed general practice with

2014
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Speaker 2: terminal cancer. Who decides this crisis? We're not allowed to

2015
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Speaker 2: say the guys, we're not allowed to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: We've said no more of this triggering stuff. Heither shout

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Speaker 2: out to the darts tonight from Hamilton. Luke the Nuke

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Speaker 2: Littler is the seventeen year old and he's my and

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Speaker 2: also my favorite Michael the Bully boy Smith. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: good that somebody's done a shout out to Luke the

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Speaker 2: Nuke because Luke the Nuke is amazing. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know anything about darts, but apparently this is amazing. He's

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Speaker 2: only seventeen years old. He's going to be participating this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Here's an interesting thing about it. Okay, so the event

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Speaker 2: is sponsored in Hamilton by Tab and Steinlager. But because

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Speaker 2: Luke is only seventeen years old, he can't be associated

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Speaker 2: with their products because he's too young to actually be

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Speaker 2: to be boozing or gambling. So what they've had to

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Speaker 2: do is they've had to make everybody the shirts the

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Speaker 2: same shirts, but they've had to make a special one

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Speaker 2: for Luke because they've had to take off the logos,

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Speaker 2: the Tab and Steinlagger logos. So if you look really closely,

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Speaker 2: you notice that absolutely everybody else on their shirts is

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Speaker 2: sponsored by these two except for Luke. He's decided he's

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Speaker 2: got to pick a charity of his choice. And he's

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Speaker 2: picked the water Boy, and the water Boy apparently is

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Speaker 2: a y cuttle charity. It's been going for eight years.

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Speaker 2: Aims to break down barriers to kip Kiwi youngsters the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to participate in sport or personal development activities, which

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Speaker 2: is very nice. How good is that? This is the

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Speaker 2: kind of weird thing that happens when you've got people

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Speaker 2: who become amazing at something like darts way earlier than

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Speaker 2: the rest of us.

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Speaker 18: And yeah, thirty five and thirty four and I'm still

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Speaker 18: not going even close to achieving that. I just gave

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Speaker 18: myself an extra year of age there as well, look

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Speaker 18: at that pretty slowly by Benson Boone to play us

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Speaker 18: out tonight. Benson Boone has been going pretty well in

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Speaker 18: this country and all over the world in terms. He's

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Speaker 18: from Washington State, but has two other songs, Slow It

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Speaker 18: Down and Beautiful Things, have both done really well on

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Speaker 18: the charts. So this is his new one out today,

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Speaker 18: so we'll keep an eye on it see whether or

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Speaker 18: not it's a successful it is the other two, Why did.

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Speaker 2: You give yourself an extra year? Is your birthday?

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Speaker 4: Ye?

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Speaker 18: I was just I'm just depressed about aging. Hither I'm

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Speaker 18: always I've already given up on it, and I'm already

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Speaker 18: just clearly giving myself because your birthday it's not for

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Speaker 18: another what ten months.

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Speaker 2: Like you literally had it two months ago ago, and.

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Speaker 7: I've already know.

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Speaker 18: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I've clicked over at

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Speaker 18: thirty four and I'm like, oh, basically at thirty five,

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Speaker 18: may as well go there.

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Speaker 1: All we're rounding up.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're doing, your rounding, rounding up. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: okay to do that. Sometimes this is without a word

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Speaker 2: of a lie. I have to ask my mum ow

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Speaker 2: old I am because I just forget and I can't

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Speaker 2: be bothered remembering. And she used to do that to

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Speaker 2: me ten years ago. I thought it was really weird.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm doing it as well.

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Speaker 6: That's going to work.

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Speaker 2: I will forget at some stage soon. Enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 2: See your Monday news talks he Be.

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