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Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree with what des Gorman said at the

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Speaker 1: start of the program. The Boss of Health New Zealand

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Speaker 1: needs to go her job. I do not think as

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Speaker 1: tenable any longer after the stunt that was pulled yesterday. Now,

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Speaker 1: the stunt is where her management team gave a presentation

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Speaker 1: to other staff proposing that the way that Health New

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Speaker 1: Zealand needs to save all this money that it needs

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Speaker 1: to save is to cut nearly five hundred doctors and

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Speaker 1: nearly fifteen hundred nurses. It doesn't look like Margie up

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Speaker 1: of the Chief Executive complete ignorance or innocence on this one, because,

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Speaker 1: according to a source who's spoken to the media outlet Newsroom,

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Speaker 1: who seemed to be the most informed on this particular issue,

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Speaker 1: the presentation wasn't actually a stunt. Those cuts were really planned,

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Speaker 1: like this was really really going to happen, and at

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Speaker 1: least one region of the organization had already started making

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Speaker 1: plans to consult and implement the changes. Now it is

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine a region in the organization starting to

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Speaker 1: cut doctors and nurses without the CEO signing off on it.

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Speaker 1: It is impossible then to have confidence in her. Is

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Speaker 1: the boss of Health New Zealand, if she genuinely believes it,

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Speaker 1: the way to save money is to cut doctors and

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Speaker 1: nurses in a health system that already doesn't have doctors

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Speaker 1: and nurses. Can you really trust her to run this

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Speaker 1: place properly? Frankly, even before what happened yesterday, she was

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Speaker 1: on thin ice because the way that she was running

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Speaker 1: the place, it has been blowing its budget by one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars every month for five months.

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Speaker 1: That's not competence. That's unbelievable. I think she's gone, by

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Speaker 1: the way. I don't think that I'm sitting here telling

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Speaker 1: you something that I'm just guessing at. I think she's gone.

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Speaker 1: And I base that on the fact that the new

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Speaker 1: Health Commissioner, Lester Levy is not expressing full confidence in her.

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Speaker 1: He's failed to do that a couple of times now.

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Speaker 1: And also he's gone public with the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: called her about what happened yesterday, and he's made it

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Speaker 1: very clear this is unacceptable his word unacceptable quote and

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Speaker 1: is not to ever be repeated. And then he says

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Speaker 1: he told the Minister's office there will be consequences. My

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Speaker 1: guess is the consequence is that she's gone and it's

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Speaker 1: only a matter of time for them to just to

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Speaker 1: sort out the paperwork and how we get her out

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Speaker 1: the door. And frankly, given how this place has been

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Speaker 1: run and the nuts idea for how they were going

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Speaker 1: to save money, I think Margie Upper leaving Health New

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Speaker 1: Zealand may well be the best outcome. For more from

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