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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, we've got Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams Taxpayers Union. Alie Jones read pr Hello you too,

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Speaker 2: Hello you too, h Heather writer Jordan tax. This electricity tax,

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Speaker 2: I think might be about the biggest problem that they

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Speaker 2: have at the moment, the biggest own goal this year.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: That's our conclusion and it is when your whole stick.

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Speaker 3: Can you think the National Party and you look at

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Speaker 3: the social media and there clearly their message for the

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Speaker 3: election campaign is Christopher Hickins the other side and to

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Speaker 3: tax you, just like they did last time. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be tax, tax, taxes, capital gains tax is just

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Speaker 3: the beginning. It's going to be the Greens they wanted to,

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Speaker 3: you know whatever. Yesterday the government handed the rebuttal over

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Speaker 3: the stick for Chris Hipkins to whack back, saying but

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Speaker 3: they're going to text you, Tristy Belle yep and yep okay.

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Speaker 3: The Minister of Energy is saying yeah, there's going to

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Speaker 3: be savings all that in the post keps. So they

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Speaker 3: couldn't even guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever the very what there's.

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Speaker 3: Two bills in our polling in terms of the cost

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Speaker 3: of living crisis that people are citing as real concerns.

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Speaker 3: It is rates and it is electricity. The idea that

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Speaker 3: ten months out from election that they would announce they're

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Speaker 3: going to put a levy or a tax on that

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Speaker 3: is so politically stupid. I do not know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: I just heard your editorial where you blame the Taxpayer

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Speaker 3: Union for this. It was Christopher Hipkins within thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: of this announcement calling it a gas tax. That is

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Speaker 3: the stick that the National Party have allowed had given

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Speaker 3: him and they don't need to look reasonable minds. And

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Speaker 3: actually I think that this project is necessary. Support it.

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Speaker 3: But in Australia and Victoria they're doing two of these

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Speaker 3: things no tax payer funded.

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Speaker 2: Who's paying for it?

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Speaker 3: It's totally private sector. There's not even underwriting. And but

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Speaker 3: what the government could do is you know that it

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Speaker 3: could either come up with a deal around around underwriting

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Speaker 3: the risk or a take a take or pay deal

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Speaker 3: or the obvious thing is the government sitting on thirteen

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Speaker 3: point eight billion dollars of energy assets let's just pick

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Speaker 3: up the idea that Nikola Willis and Christopher lux and

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Speaker 3: talk about of asset recycling. You sell a billion dollars

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Speaker 3: of it. You ring fence that to fix the energy

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Speaker 3: issues that were created by Christopher Hipkins and j cindera

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Speaker 3: Durn's government. As I say, you ring fence it and

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Speaker 3: make it explicit and you use that money.

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Speaker 2: Yep, fair enough. I heard you Ali going, m Do

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Speaker 2: you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: I do? It pains me to say, actually, no, that's

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Speaker 4: not fair. I agree. I agree with everything that Jordan

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Speaker 4: has said. What really annoys me about this though, is

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Speaker 4: that it's turned into this ridiculous squabbling with politicians being

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Speaker 4: like kids in a Sampit is it a levy?

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Speaker 2: Is it a tax?

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Speaker 4: For God's sake? The important thing here is Kiwi's is

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Speaker 4: struggling and have been since National came in, despite the

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Speaker 4: the other thing you said, Jordan? There were two things electricity, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But I think groceries and insurance are the other two

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Speaker 4: big ones that we hear about. And we've heard this

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Speaker 4: government say time and time again we're going to deal

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Speaker 4: and these things have not been sorted, and here they

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Speaker 3: But it's the conversation. My Uber driver said to me

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Speaker 4: Well we fear though, Jordan, No, Jordan, I believe it

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Speaker 4: is a levy And I don't even want to get

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Speaker 4: into that argument because I think it's totally irrelevant. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Schimea lees or.

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Speaker 4: Hang on, you had to go, you had to go.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is that we are not discussing

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Speaker 4: what's important here, which is the effect on New Zealanders

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Speaker 4: when this government has said they were going to bring

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Speaker 4: the cost of living down that is becoming. It's not

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Speaker 4: being talked about because of an allegy, but definitions.

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Speaker 2: It's important because attacks is difficult for you when you

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Speaker 2: levy is not so, of course, which is why see

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Speaker 2: what it is an important com It is important to

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Speaker 4: Well, why are we even giving it airtime? The bottom

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Speaker 3: Doct matter. But the fact the fact that the government

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Speaker 3: is even having that argument is so damaging to what

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Speaker 3: I mean, I agree, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the exasperations sounds.

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Speaker 3: It's not that I'm annoyed they're calling it a levy,

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Speaker 3: It's that it's the stupidity for the for the Prime

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Speaker 3: it's not a tax, it's a levy under because and

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Speaker 3: it's exactly what just Cindra ar Dern did and what

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Speaker 3: the National Party absolutely harpooned them for.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, I toltally making the same mistakes. I totally

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Speaker 2: go okay, we'll take a break. We'll come back to

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Speaker 2: you guys shortly.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 2: Write you back of the huddle, Ali Jones and Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams Now Ali, I can't believe we're going from the

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Speaker 2: government being slightly dishonest about a levy and attacks to

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Speaker 2: the government apparently being slightly dishonest about what was in

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Speaker 2: the India Free Trade Agreement. We now have it confirmed

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Speaker 2: that we're not able to put a cap on the

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Speaker 2: Indian students. We've got a problem with that.

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Speaker 4: Why the hell did this take so long to sort out?

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Speaker 4: You know, I cat this has been talked about for

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Speaker 4: the last two weeks. Okay, I wonder if this would

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Speaker 4: have happened if it wasn't an election year. But you know,

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Speaker 4: Todd McLay laid it out when he talked to you earlier,

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Speaker 4: again very clear. So why on earth wasn't this made

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Speaker 4: clear a week a week and a half ago. It's

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Speaker 4: all around definition. It's all about not being racist, if

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Speaker 4: you like, in outlining particularly Indian students.

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Speaker 2: In the FTA.

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Speaker 4: We know now that the settings the country's immigration settings

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Speaker 4: What will Winston say tomorrow now you know this is

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Speaker 4: as well? I just don't understand here the why this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a Jordan. It's a silly strategic

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Speaker 2: move to be shady about it. Because Winston Winston got

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Speaker 3: It plays in two into Peter's hands, isn't it. And

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Speaker 3: it's very untidy and messy, and he's able to sort

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Speaker 3: it relates to diplomatic matters, everything takes forever. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's I thought it was interesting that in our most

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Speaker 3: voting issue? And I actually had a really angry email

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Speaker 3: from Adona saying, why don't you ask about immigration? And

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Speaker 3: of course it's actually an open ended question. It's not

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Speaker 3: push it up.

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Speaker 2: There, yeah, push it up now. Okay, Allie, I see

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Speaker 2: in your part of the world that your counsel has

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Speaker 2: spent six million dollars on a website, which definitely begs

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Speaker 2: the question, how are they spending that much money on

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Speaker 2: a website? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I'm horrified. I heard counselor Sam McDonald on

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Speaker 4: with You just after four, and like Sam, I'm not

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Speaker 4: an it expert. I have been speaking to one this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: I've got a friend who works in Sydney and builds

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Speaker 4: apps and websites. And I won't go over it because

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Speaker 4: it's tedious and my eyes glazed over. But the two

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Speaker 4: main takeaways for me here is that I think this

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Speaker 4: is more involved in detailed than an act. Verse is

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Speaker 4: a website. You know, you've got a native app, You've

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Speaker 4: as it seems. Secondly, where is the user research in

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Speaker 4: the business case?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Where will it? Will it deliver value?

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Speaker 4: Who was asked about it? I suspect, having sat around

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Speaker 4: that council table a few years ago. What has happened

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Speaker 4: here is that counselors have gone, we want an app.

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Speaker 4: We want a one stop shop for residents, visitors, businesses, everything.

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Speaker 4: An app would be really cool. Go away and make

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Speaker 4: us an app. I think that's what's happened.

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Speaker 2: How does an app Jordan cost the same as about

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Speaker 2: five or six houses like nice houses as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know a little bit about the stuff. I

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Speaker 3: own a digital marketing company that makes websites every day.

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Speaker 3: I saw that amount of money and it makes me

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Speaker 3: want to cry. I'm doing let's just say it's extremely expensive.

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Speaker 3: I thought Sam McDonald was extremely well. I would not

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Speaker 3: have been as calm if I was in his You

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Speaker 3: have your restrain, that's it. Well, he came across a

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Speaker 3: around a governance table, you ask your officials to do

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Speaker 3: something you spend six million on in their company. So

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Speaker 3: we didn't actually do what you asked us to do.

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Speaker 3: The technicality, especially now with AI being able to hook

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Speaker 3: into a different APIs, is not that complex. And the

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Speaker 3: difference if you're doing that for a web application do

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Speaker 3: it for a website. The difference between that and an

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Speaker 3: app is almost immaterial.

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Speaker 4: But where's the report mechanism?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: Where's the accountability? You asked your staff to do X.

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Speaker 3: You're explicit on it, they don't do it. And it

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Speaker 3: is almost as if the officials consider they are in charge.

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Speaker 3: You public official, you elected officials. You were here to

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Speaker 2: Now I agree with all your well everything you guys

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Speaker 2: have basically just said Jordan Williams, Texpas Union, Alli Jones

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