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Speaker 1: Barry Sooba. I seen your political correspondence with us. Hallo, Barry.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Well that was a lineup of very glum people today

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Speaker 3: at that announcement.

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Speaker 2: Well they were caught on the hot, weren't they. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's quite extraordinary when you consider that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: last policy announcement last week that was a cock up

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Speaker 2: as well. Yep, this one leaked to the media and

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Speaker 2: we're told that it was a near unanimous vote and caukers,

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Speaker 2: so that means some people are opposed to it. And

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Speaker 2: you remember the late Sir Michael Cullen. He was the

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Speaker 2: head of the Taxation Working Group set up under Jindar

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Speaker 2: Dun and whilst they recommended a capital gains tax, Michael

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Speaker 2: Cullen himself said that any party that goes into an

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Speaker 2: election promising an increase in taxes really are doing some

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Speaker 2: very great risks to themselves and winning the Treasury benches.

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Speaker 2: And you remember, because I was in the audience when

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Speaker 2: Jacindaurn stood up the front and said we're not going

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Speaker 2: to go with the capitol aims tax. And at that

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Speaker 2: point everybody had thought they were going to go with one,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't. And I think she listened to the

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Speaker 2: words of Michael Cullen. Nevertheless, so Chris Hipkins, he hasn't

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Speaker 2: been listening to those words, and so he's now very

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Speaker 2: frustrated in the way these policy releases have gone. I

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Speaker 2: know you're going to be talking to him. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to pay for the doctor's visits initially, you know,

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Speaker 2: the first year it brings in one hundred million dollars. Well,

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Speaker 2: the doctor's visits, as you pointed out earlier on, are

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Speaker 2: much more expensive than that. A very proud Minister of Health,

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Speaker 2: Asia Verel, she said, standing alongside Chris Hipkins today. There

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Speaker 2: will be a new medi card and it'll guarantee every

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Speaker 2: New Zealander access to care, whether they were rich or poor,

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Speaker 2: or town or country. So everyone gets it well. A

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Speaker 2: warning was issued though this morning by Chris Hipkins to

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Speaker 2: the person or persons who lack the policy to the

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Speaker 2: media over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Some of the details came to be in the public

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Speaker 4: domain this morning. I'm very proud to be talking about

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Speaker 4: it now and to be making this announcement now. If

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Speaker 4: it ranspires that it was deliberately released by somebody and

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Speaker 4: that we find out who that person is, they won't

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Speaker 4: be a member of the Labor paper. I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to speculate on how any of the details may have

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Speaker 4: come into the public domain. As I said, there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of people who have been involved in the

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Speaker 4: conversations around our text policy. It's been a very very

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Speaker 4: robust internal process where everybody has had the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: express their various views.

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Speaker 2: So it's incredible when you think because taxation, when it

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Speaker 2: comes to a political party is very much a secretive

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Speaker 2: policy area, and this sounds as though it's been sent

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Speaker 2: out to all and sundry. Well, obviously there would be

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Speaker 2: somebody probably disgruntled with it and thought we'll get this

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Speaker 2: out in the public.

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Speaker 1: Do we know when they planned to announce it?

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Speaker 2: Well, he says, if you listen to Hipkins and I

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Speaker 2: know you're going to be talking to me. He said

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Speaker 2: that they would have been announcing it this week or thereabouts,

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Speaker 2: but all while they're about Yes, I think they would

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Speaker 2: have been planning much longer term because tax policy is

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Speaker 2: so important to any political party.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now what is going on with the Maori Party?

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Speaker 2: Well, like we said last week, this just goes from

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Speaker 2: bad to worse. Actually, I mean Rawi White to Tea

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Speaker 2: is probably back from his swan song up in China

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Speaker 2: and things. They had a hui last Thursday, unbeknown to

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Speaker 2: most of us, and they passed a number of resolutions.

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Speaker 2: One was to suspend Maromino Kapakinghi from the party. Well,

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Speaker 2: she's saying that essentially it's got no mone of the suspension,

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Speaker 2: the so called suspension she's calling it. And the tek

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Speaker 2: Mparcouter Ferrus, well he says that essentially he wouldn't go

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Speaker 2: along with it. So you've got and then you've.

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Speaker 3: Got you've got Marmino who's a post of the Leadershi,

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Speaker 3: You've got Tarkuther Ferris who's oposed to the leadership.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got Alreadiny Kuiper as well.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Cooieha and how she would gravitate to cup

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Speaker 2: a key.

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Speaker 1: She believes and she believes.

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Speaker 2: In her and believes you know that she is a

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Speaker 2: wonderful person within the party and really looks up to her.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it's potentially breaking in two.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally yeah. I mean you you've got three now

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Speaker 2: on three, So what the hell are they going to do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, John Tammyho is at the head of all this,

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Speaker 2: what's he going to do with the party. I mean

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Speaker 2: they go to go back now and decide how they're

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Speaker 2: going to affect the suspension from the party. Well, if

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Speaker 2: they suspend her, like other remps in the past, she'll

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Speaker 2: become an independent MP because she's an electorate MP, and

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Speaker 2: she'll serve through to the next election and.

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Speaker 1: No doubt walk a jumper.

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Speaker 2: Sorry they could, yeah, they could and get her out

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Speaker 2: of parliament, but.

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Speaker 1: Then what are they going to do up Tarkus as well?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a jumper already, Kiper before she's even got

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Speaker 2: nose dirty and part Hey, listen.

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Speaker 1: What happened to the van or the truck? I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a truck. It's not a van.

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Speaker 2: It's a dilapidated old rust heap and I'm surprised that

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Speaker 2: it was even listed in the first place. Was listed

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Speaker 2: for five five hundred dollars and it's festooned with Maori Party,

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Speaker 2: very professional sign writing on the whole truck. It's a

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Speaker 2: big truck. It was being sold though, we were told

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Speaker 2: at Turner's on behalf of a finance company because it

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Speaker 2: had been repossessed. Honestly, they say the way it's been operated, stored,

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Speaker 2: or maintained or repaired in a proper and diligent manner,

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Speaker 2: which that hasn't been done so in that manner, and

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Speaker 2: that may affect its condition. Turner's recommended an independent assessment

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Speaker 2: assessment of it. It's in a rough condition. We were

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Speaker 2: told that the cab was dirty and had a musty odor,

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Speaker 2: the clutch fields wall stop it and it was rusted

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Speaker 2: in a few places. So so what John drawn from sale?

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Speaker 1: How did they buy it back?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what. And I ran Turner's car watch

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Speaker 2: and I spoke to the person who is listed in

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Speaker 2: the air and he said, oh no, I can't talk

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Speaker 2: to you about it, left to go further up the company.

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Speaker 2: No such lung hold.

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Speaker 3: We know somebody at Turner's will drop Todd who runs

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Speaker 3: the show a line in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but are you telling me so?

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Speaker 3: They weren't John timing heead in is lot, weren't even

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Speaker 3: looking after the vehicle clearly.

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Speaker 2: I mean I saw photos. If they were trying to

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Speaker 2: sell a vehicle, and they showed photos of inside, it

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Speaker 2: looked absolutely filthy.

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Speaker 1: Just needed a dust.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, appreciate it, very Soper, Senior political correspondent.

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