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Speaker 1: Right now. Gibsban Council's forestry rules have company directors warning

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Speaker 1: that could go bankrupt. The Environment courts ordered Samnik Forest

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Speaker 1: Management and Woodlet Investments the land owner to clean up

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Speaker 1: slash near Tolliger Bay. It's messy. There's an appeal before

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Speaker 1: the High Court and a scrap over who should fit

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Speaker 1: the bill. Julian conn Is, the Eastland Wood Council chairman

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Speaker 1: with me this morning, Julian, Good morning, good morning, how

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Speaker 1: a good thank you. Julian. Is it possible to clean

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Speaker 1: up all the slash and stop it leaving the land.

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Speaker 2: In practical reasons, No, it's not. We live in a

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Speaker 2: woody environment.

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Speaker 1: In our region.

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Speaker 2: Of course, anybody who lives here will appreciate that whenever

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Speaker 2: it rains we have stilts coming out of our streams

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Speaker 2: and our rivers as a matter of course, and always

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Speaker 2: have had, and that's how the Poverty Bay flats were created.

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Speaker 2: So from an operational point of view, the industry's view

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Speaker 2: is that while we are managing movement of woody debris

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Speaker 2: and set them in out of our forests, the constraints

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Speaker 2: that the Council is currently imposing on our standard consent

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Speaker 2: conditions for harvesting and roading mean that they are wanting

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Speaker 2: us to stop one hundred percent of Sultan woody debris

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Speaker 2: coming out of their forest gates, which of course is

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Speaker 2: totally impractical and operationally impossible.

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Speaker 1: It would make operating the impossible.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Well? We're currently in negotiation, have been for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years around trying to get some practicality and reality

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Speaker 2: around some of those standard consent conditions. We have been

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Speaker 2: talking to them for two years trying to get them

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Speaker 2: to understand that what the industry is trying to find

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Speaker 2: is an environmental and the social and an economic balance

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Speaker 2: in respect of what we're doing and our organizations. But

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Speaker 2: we haven't really need a lot of progress to date

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Speaker 2: to be honest.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, this order from the Environment Court requires

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Speaker 1: the companies and directors to ensure woody debris sediment would

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Speaker 1: not enter water and land outside of the forest boundary.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that you would be operating in breach

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Speaker 1: of that?

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Speaker 2: If you had a resource consense which stated that, then yes,

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Speaker 2: you would be.

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Speaker 1: Are there companies now in breach of it?

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Speaker 2: There are companies which have resource consents which are set

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Speaker 2: under older rules and regulations and if they were to

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Speaker 2: emit woody Debrian sediment outside their forests then they would

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Speaker 2: be in breach of it. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Jillian, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for being with me. Jillian conn who's the Eastland would

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