1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson. Morning to 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: both of you. 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: Good morning Jenny. 4 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 3: You should you should trust your producers because they got 5 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 3: jk od last week and I thought he was bloody outstanding. 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: He was outstanding. He was very very good, indeed, and 7 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I do trust my producers. But the management, you know, 8 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: I've got to adhere to the management because they're like, 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, higher up, what do you doing? You ever 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: had a screaming match in your office? 11 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: Ginny? 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 4: No, heavens, actually no, when you were. 13 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: A minister and under pressure and somebody came and press 14 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: secretary came in with something stupid, do you ever yell 15 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: at them or you have a sort of a bit 16 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: of back and forward. 17 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 4: No, No, it doesn't really help you get anywhere. I mean, 18 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 4: I'd worked as an advisor in those situations before, and 19 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 4: I've seen ministers do some of those things. When I 20 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 4: was Beckham the day. 21 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Who are the moss? Who are the troublesome ministers in trouble? 22 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Give me it was. 23 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: Your will get the one. You get a few do 24 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 4: buns sometimes who just kind of win the pressous bag 25 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: you can And then when you see that happen, you 26 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: see that it never helps the situation and resolves the problem. 27 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: Did you use the term do bum? 28 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 29 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: What is that you do? 30 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: Your bum? You know you have that all T T 31 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: so like a hut to say it, but actually actually, well, 32 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: it's funny you mentioned the hat because there's something happening 33 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: in the hot tonight that I'll bet you want to 34 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: know about. And it's a public meeting on pay equity 35 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: down at Hot Park Roads house. It's sex cityp tonight. 36 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: What's the hut Park Road? 37 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Hot Park Roads is also jump a rama down there, 38 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: bit you probably wouldn't be interested. 39 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: I would rather go to jump a rama than a 40 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: meeting about. 41 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: J and Carmel will be down there? Oh no, anyone 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: who was. 43 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: Last time? 44 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: Twenty five Hat Park Roads? 45 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: Last time? 46 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Last time Labor held a meeting in christ Buship's electa. 47 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: I think half a dozen people to. 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: For goodness, Jansi and Carmel Sepaloni at a meeting in 49 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: the Hut. 50 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 4: On equity women's ony equity. 51 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: Geez, talk about exciting, do you Mark? I mean, you 52 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't lose because you're an affable sort of likable kind 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: of guy. But but but I mean does it? But 54 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: there must have been. You must have seen the screaming 55 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: and the bee hive, mustn't you? There must be you know, 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: someone losing the rag. 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 2: Only in the house. You see it happened in the house. 58 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it happen in officers of Look, you know, 59 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm very proud of my team, and we operate as 60 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: team and if the pressures on, we all absorb it together. 61 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I feel very fortunate, very lucky to 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: have the team that I've got. 63 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: Good on you. 64 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: That was about as diplomatic as you possibly get. You 65 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: should actually replace Mallard on that broad subject, Jenny. 66 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, it do come from an Irish background. 67 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: There you go on that broad subject. 68 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: I've got something we've got in common. 69 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Well, there you go. Now do you think that I mean, 70 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: was Peter's right yesterday? Jinny? I should diplomats be actual 71 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: diplomats as opposed to political appointment. 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: Well, it's a bit tricky when they're kind of in 73 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 4: those positions. And I'm still not quite clear as to 74 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: why his time was terminated, because he's like, but why 75 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: now he's been the Minister for ages and maybe he's 76 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: looking for the replacement. 77 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: It's a good point. I raised it earlier, he didn't. 78 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Do it day one. 79 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, what does he do this now? And he seems 80 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 4: to be no other real driver or reason as to 81 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: way to that. 82 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: I know what it is. Do you know what it is? 83 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Because he wants to take the heat off and from 84 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the very broken contract payment. 85 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: It's a good point or the fact that there was 86 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: these COVID issues and there's some voter base in their 87 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: foot could be there. 88 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: You could have gone to both. 89 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: Did he try did he try tristpassing? What's from parliament grounds? Yes? 90 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: The stage coming out, So I mean it's a crime 91 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: if you're playing very Menilow. 92 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: That is true. It's very is almost as bad as 93 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: a pay equin meeting in the hut with Carmel Ceplan. 94 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: We cauld place in very mentalo at the Pequoty meeting 95 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: and you can that makes it exciting. 96 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: So what do you think? 97 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Do you have a view mark diplomata it should diplomat 98 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: to be diplomats or is there room for political appointment? 99 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's my view as it depends on 100 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: the individual. But you know, we do have our mfats 101 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: world class and that's what they do. Strive and a 102 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: posting like that is the ultimate sort of career pathway 103 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: for them, and I think Winston recognizes. 104 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: That, Mark hand on heart, would you, if you were 105 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: called to a COVID inquiry, having been the government of 106 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: the day during a COVID period front up publicly? 107 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: Yes? I would. 108 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: And I feel very strongly about this because we are 109 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: public servants. We're there to serve the public. We're voted 110 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: in by them, and a big part of that is 111 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: fronting up. And sometimes, look, you know, I know myself, 112 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: I don't like being I don't feel I'm very good 113 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: at media, but I front up to every media request 114 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: that I get because actually that is our job. And 115 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: so I feel very strongly that yes, they should be 116 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: fronting up to a public inquiry. 117 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 118 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Problem, Jinny is that the poll came out post the 119 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: decision by those four in the party that most New 120 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Zealanders don't see it as a right decision. Would you? 121 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't. I don't know what 122 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: thought process went into this. Because it looks bad. It's 123 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: it's irrefutably looks bad. 124 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: So all other Royal Commissions of inquiry, I've heard that line. 125 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: I get it evident, but this is different. It was 126 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: different COVID was a life changing, country changing, his changing. 127 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: All the UK front finished. Do I get to finished? 128 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: You're just running the same old line. I've heard the line. 129 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: Truth, that's what happened. There's been no other inquiry so people, 130 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: and each of those people did give, you know, three 131 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: to four hours of evidence which is then put into 132 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: the into the report. So they have given, but you 133 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: don't get it. 134 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: You don't get it. It's not public. We have to 135 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: front up. Believer is you know? 136 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 4: I do hear the concern. But the most important thing 137 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: to remember is all those in National voted for the 138 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: COVID payment, all National voter and ask for more money 139 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 4: to what the relevance is that because here at the moment, 140 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 4: this revision is history about what happened. 141 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: The public. 142 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Inquiries for Jenny. Yeah, I mean, it's just I find 143 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: it hard to believe. Does it sit comfortably with you personally? 144 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: I think that that what I've seen is the first 145 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: trial was great, the first run through in terms of 146 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: the review, and the second one overly loaded. And it 147 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: seems to be you know, why was Winston Peters in 148 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: New Zealand first excluded from the round two of them? 149 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: That's actually not a bad point. I'll come back to 150 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: that in the moment. Mark if you've got an answer, 151 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: but come back to that. I mean, in all honesty, 152 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: if you believe, if you believe what you believe, and 153 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: you believe you did the right thing, to be seen 154 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: to be doing the right thing is the least you 155 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: can expect of a publicly elected official, isn't it. 156 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: I think what they did is they fronted and gave 157 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: hours of evidence that gave them. 158 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: But they didn't from behind closed doors. 159 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: You wanted. 160 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: Why you're going to go out next year and you're 161 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: going to ask the public, our communities to vote and 162 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: support you. Their expectation is that you advance their interests 163 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: and that you front up, and that you front up publicly. 164 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: It's the worst to me, it's the worst betrayal because 165 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: you know, the whole country went through a lot of 166 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: suffering through COVID, whether that was good, bad, and different 167 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: decisions that were made. Front up and fight your corner 168 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: and explain to the country why you did what you did. 169 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: Not doing that it looks like it looks like you're hiding. 170 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: It's a bit rich for national to attack the COVID 171 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: response when they backed it at the time. 172 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm attacking it. I'm attacking it as a New 173 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Zealand voter who wants to see somebody publicly held to account. 174 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: And that's Hipkins, and it's Robinson, and it's most certainly 175 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: a don Well. 176 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: Let me give you an example, Jenny of what happened 177 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: during the Give me an example. As an a Glen MP, 178 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: I had Chris Hipkins contact me directly and say will 179 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: you support me on a matter because it's important. This 180 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: was during the lockdowns, and I said, yes, I will 181 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: support you as on that because it's important at the 182 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: moment that we do try and be bipartisan and try 183 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: and work together on this. 184 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: We're facing a fairly serious situation. 185 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: Three weeks later, when I had a mother, when I 186 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: had a daughter trapped in MiQ, that we could have 187 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: got out that the hospital said they'd support her visit 188 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: to see her dying mother ghosted nothing, no response. That 189 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: is completely totally unacceptable and that is the sort of 190 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: stuff that you should be fronting up and explaining to Keiwis. 191 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: I had that concern. Mar I get it. And the 192 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: important thing to remember is that we need to learn 193 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 4: how to do things better in the future and I 194 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: don't think that that's what the inquiry was was trying 195 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 4: to do things better in the future. It was about 196 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: a political point scoring effort. And that's why round two 197 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: and excluded New Zealand first. 198 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: And that don't you guys. 199 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: Don't you guys forget for one second that the human 200 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: costs and the harm that was that was caused when 201 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: a daughter. 202 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, at the same time, I'm grateful that I have 203 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: my parents and we have green parents here, and that 204 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 4: we work to save lives and saved jobs we did. 205 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: That's why your party goes, That's why your part. 206 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: That's the case public quick question mark the exclusion of 207 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: Winston Peter is not a bad point. How come he's 208 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: excluded excluded from from this, from this particular round of 209 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: the commission. He's not been called I. 210 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: Don't know, good question. That's that's Christian commission. 211 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: So we need to we need to get an answer 212 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: on that down we. 213 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean the best one to answer that 214 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: is Winston. I'm not sure you're the government matter I've 215 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: got they've got the terms of reference. 216 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't speak for Winston. Winston's very case. 217 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: We'll get an answer from quick question, Jinny on Denton's 218 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: who you guys are employing to help Hepkins and co? 219 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: Do this? 220 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Do they write the answers? 221 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 4: I don't have an answer that I do not know. 222 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Could you find out? Because what worry if lawyers wrote 223 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: the answers and would that pace? 224 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: Seriously seriously, I seriously doubt that lawyers would be writing 225 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: the answers. They might provide advice, but I don't think 226 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 4: they would be providing the answers on behalf of people 227 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: who were giving that evidence. 228 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: And then you can ask the question, why do you 229 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: need lawyers? 230 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: That's a good question. I think it's because you've got 231 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: a Royal commissional inquiry, and that's the usual there's a 232 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: big question and a Royal Commission of inquiry. I think 233 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: that's the usual case of what occurs that each group 234 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: representing his legal representing. 235 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: We've got a motivate. 236 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: Like I just say on the Winston thing is that 237 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: he wasn't in government at the time. 238 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: It's a pretty he sort of while he saw was 239 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: because he was distinctly right. I distinctly remember in the 240 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Coalition of seventeen through twenty he was the one who 241 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: said if your overseas get home now. 242 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: So he was. 243 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: He was part of the early days of COVID, but 244 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: it's well worth looking into. Mark appreciated, Ginny appreciated as well. 245 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: And if you're at that meeting, Ginny, have the best time. 246 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: And if it gets really boring, head straight to jump 247 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: a ramor and just relieve the stress. 248 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 3: For more from The Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 249 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: Talk Set B from six am weekdays, or follow the 250 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: podcast on iHeartRadio.