1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:15,667 Speaker 1: from newstalksed B. Damien's been timed out before five four. 3 00:00:15,827 --> 00:00:20,627 Speaker 1: Get it away, Damien kicks it, tixit, tix it, It's over. 4 00:00:21,307 --> 00:00:21,747 Speaker 2: You're Black. 5 00:00:21,827 --> 00:00:24,907 Speaker 1: Second front of ticket twenty four twenty two. 6 00:00:26,067 --> 00:00:28,667 Speaker 3: Get it away, Amien. That's how it finished. All Blacks 7 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:31,707 Speaker 3: twenty four England twenty two. All Black's assistant coach Scott 8 00:00:31,747 --> 00:00:34,107 Speaker 3: Hansen is with us. Scott, thanks for joining us. What's 9 00:00:34,107 --> 00:00:36,747 Speaker 3: your overall assessment first of all of the All Black 10 00:00:36,827 --> 00:00:37,867 Speaker 3: showing in this test match? 11 00:00:39,067 --> 00:00:42,907 Speaker 2: Gredat Jason, you're firstly a test match exactly that there 12 00:00:42,907 --> 00:00:44,667 Speaker 2: were swings and flows and within it. 13 00:00:45,827 --> 00:00:48,387 Speaker 4: We went always at our best. However we found a way. 14 00:00:49,147 --> 00:00:52,627 Speaker 2: Really proud of the boys in the end, getting where 15 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:58,267 Speaker 2: we needed to be and finding away had Tickenham. Yeah, 16 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:01,147 Speaker 2: pretty important for us to do that well, and we're 17 00:01:01,147 --> 00:01:02,147 Speaker 2: pretty proud of the boys. 18 00:01:02,507 --> 00:01:05,707 Speaker 3: Let's drill down into the way the boys found a way. 19 00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:09,067 Speaker 3: As you say, twenty to fourteen down with twelve minutes 20 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:10,827 Speaker 3: to go, can you give us your assessment of the 21 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:13,547 Speaker 3: way the team played in the last twelve minutes of 22 00:01:13,547 --> 00:01:13,947 Speaker 3: the game. 23 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:19,627 Speaker 2: Just some composure we hit our scram that gave us 24 00:01:20,867 --> 00:01:23,587 Speaker 2: some penalties and it gave us field of advantage. As 25 00:01:23,587 --> 00:01:26,867 Speaker 2: we came down we adjusted our attack a we're a 26 00:01:26,867 --> 00:01:29,707 Speaker 2: bit shorter around the ruck, caused a bit of stress 27 00:01:29,747 --> 00:01:31,147 Speaker 2: and then by the end we're able to get to 28 00:01:31,187 --> 00:01:33,987 Speaker 2: the edge with Mark. So I just thought from that 29 00:01:34,147 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 2: sixteen to seventy minute moment we showed some really good 30 00:01:37,627 --> 00:01:38,947 Speaker 2: composure and growth. 31 00:01:39,947 --> 00:01:40,707 Speaker 4: The impacts that. 32 00:01:40,747 --> 00:01:43,747 Speaker 2: Came on Reygard as an example put us in the 33 00:01:43,787 --> 00:01:46,347 Speaker 2: idea of the field and we're really able to put 34 00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:49,067 Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on England. And then when we 35 00:01:49,107 --> 00:01:51,187 Speaker 2: came down to the end of the game. Did to 36 00:01:51,187 --> 00:01:53,307 Speaker 2: see the effort at the end when Ford went for 37 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:56,307 Speaker 2: the drop goal. I think there was five all breaks 38 00:01:56,347 --> 00:01:58,627 Speaker 2: off their feet, So encourage and here to get to 39 00:01:58,667 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 2: the foot and apply that pressure. So again, really proud 40 00:02:02,307 --> 00:02:05,427 Speaker 2: of the boys and some good learnings from the test. 41 00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:08,867 Speaker 3: Also just on the performance in the last the last 42 00:02:08,867 --> 00:02:11,427 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes or so, as you and I've chattled about, 43 00:02:11,467 --> 00:02:12,987 Speaker 3: as a lot of people have talked about, it hasn't 44 00:02:13,027 --> 00:02:14,947 Speaker 3: been the best period for the All Blacks in twenty 45 00:02:14,987 --> 00:02:18,307 Speaker 3: twenty four. Has it been something you've specifically looked at 46 00:02:18,307 --> 00:02:21,347 Speaker 3: the you know the way you play the final quarter 47 00:02:21,387 --> 00:02:22,147 Speaker 3: of a Test match. 48 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:27,347 Speaker 2: Well, the thing there is you've always got to adjust 49 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,907 Speaker 2: to what those moments are. So sometimes you're in front, 50 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:32,627 Speaker 2: these other times you've got to dig in and earn 51 00:02:32,747 --> 00:02:35,867 Speaker 2: some right to apply pressure and get in the righteo 52 00:02:35,867 --> 00:02:37,627 Speaker 2: of the field and get into the front. So there's 53 00:02:37,627 --> 00:02:40,227 Speaker 2: always moments around it. Yes, we sit down with the group, 54 00:02:40,267 --> 00:02:43,667 Speaker 2: we go through scenarios around that. But at the end 55 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:45,947 Speaker 2: of the day, what we saw today was a lot 56 00:02:45,947 --> 00:02:50,227 Speaker 2: of courage. I thought right through our game we didn't 57 00:02:50,227 --> 00:02:53,387 Speaker 2: always get it right. A short pass game at times 58 00:02:53,387 --> 00:02:55,587 Speaker 2: gave us a really good advantage. But what I was 59 00:02:56,667 --> 00:03:00,907 Speaker 2: in particular crowd of was our ability to play. We 60 00:03:00,907 --> 00:03:04,147 Speaker 2: were brave and were always we didn't always get it right, 61 00:03:04,187 --> 00:03:07,267 Speaker 2: but we were brave and in the that gaves the result. 62 00:03:07,267 --> 00:03:10,187 Speaker 3: We're after Mark Delaya with two of your tries, the 63 00:03:10,267 --> 00:03:13,827 Speaker 3: second just trademark. Mark Delay with his elusiveness down the 64 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:17,907 Speaker 3: right wing touch line. Do you think it's taken him 65 00:03:17,907 --> 00:03:19,667 Speaker 3: a bit of time to get going in twenty twenty four, 66 00:03:19,707 --> 00:03:21,467 Speaker 3: but do you feel like he's back to where where 67 00:03:21,507 --> 00:03:22,147 Speaker 3: you need him to be. 68 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:26,267 Speaker 2: Was a very good performance from him. Wasn't it two 69 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:30,387 Speaker 2: tries today, strong on the edge. You think about the 70 00:03:30,507 --> 00:03:34,427 Speaker 2: year we were needed to go contestable kicks, Mark winning 71 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:37,547 Speaker 2: them in the right spots as a performance that he 72 00:03:37,587 --> 00:03:39,667 Speaker 2: can be really proud of him, really happy for him. 73 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:43,867 Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie with a clutch conversion. He almost ran the 74 00:03:43,867 --> 00:03:45,667 Speaker 3: shot clocked down. I'm not sure if you were watching it. 75 00:03:45,707 --> 00:03:48,787 Speaker 3: I know we were back here. Were you always confident 76 00:03:48,907 --> 00:03:50,427 Speaker 3: that Damien would nail it? 77 00:03:52,067 --> 00:03:52,227 Speaker 4: Oh? 78 00:03:52,267 --> 00:03:56,627 Speaker 2: We all know Damien, don't we. He's a gambler, he's brave, 79 00:03:57,147 --> 00:04:00,667 Speaker 2: So he's brave. He's going to kick that and in 80 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:04,467 Speaker 2: any way in that moment he's he's in the moment, 81 00:04:04,507 --> 00:04:07,507 Speaker 2: he's kicking to win it, but he's got no pressure 82 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:09,667 Speaker 2: around where he's at with it. 83 00:04:09,827 --> 00:04:12,467 Speaker 4: Was really happy for him. Was he lined it up? 84 00:04:12,507 --> 00:04:14,667 Speaker 2: He was confident. It was never going to be about 85 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:16,827 Speaker 2: that kick. It was always going to be around the 86 00:04:16,827 --> 00:04:19,707 Speaker 2: moments before it at the end of the day. But 87 00:04:19,747 --> 00:04:22,227 Speaker 2: for him to line up be so confident, that's Dave. 88 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:27,347 Speaker 2: This the Damien McKenzie we all know, brave and from 89 00:04:27,387 --> 00:04:30,307 Speaker 2: that you know we're in a position to win a test. 90 00:04:30,747 --> 00:04:32,347 Speaker 3: I just want to ask you about an incident earlier 91 00:04:32,427 --> 00:04:34,907 Speaker 3: in the second half, Bowden Barrett straight away to score 92 00:04:34,947 --> 00:04:38,507 Speaker 3: a try called back a penalty to England for a 93 00:04:38,507 --> 00:04:42,147 Speaker 3: deliberate knock on by Caleb Clark. What did you make 94 00:04:42,187 --> 00:04:43,387 Speaker 3: of that incident? 95 00:04:44,907 --> 00:04:48,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, Jason, like, I'm not going to 96 00:04:48,387 --> 00:04:50,707 Speaker 2: ever challenge a riff's decision. 97 00:04:51,067 --> 00:04:55,187 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, the key bit was how we 98 00:04:55,227 --> 00:04:55,987 Speaker 4: responded to it. 99 00:04:56,147 --> 00:04:59,267 Speaker 2: So the decision was made by the officials around it 100 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:01,547 Speaker 2: Caleb whether or not he was coming up to a 101 00:05:01,667 --> 00:05:05,067 Speaker 2: plow pressure through the through the tackle where the arm 102 00:05:05,227 --> 00:05:07,547 Speaker 2: was loose. At the end of the day, the decision 103 00:05:07,667 --> 00:05:09,427 Speaker 2: was made. What we look at as a group is 104 00:05:09,427 --> 00:05:11,667 Speaker 2: well how to respond and the. 105 00:05:11,667 --> 00:05:14,187 Speaker 4: Response was what's good? Do we need to put ourselves 106 00:05:14,227 --> 00:05:14,867 Speaker 4: in that position? 107 00:05:15,587 --> 00:05:19,347 Speaker 2: We actually encourage the boys to come up, have their 108 00:05:19,867 --> 00:05:23,227 Speaker 2: their hands and not put themselves in those positions. So 109 00:05:23,267 --> 00:05:25,227 Speaker 2: it'll be a clip that we showed Caleb around. Could 110 00:05:25,227 --> 00:05:28,387 Speaker 2: you do this differently next time because you don't really 111 00:05:28,427 --> 00:05:31,427 Speaker 2: want to be in those positions and probably in that moment, 112 00:05:31,427 --> 00:05:33,467 Speaker 2: if you've got his hand in closer and gone for 113 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:37,027 Speaker 2: a dominant tackle, maybe that decision doesn't need to be made. 114 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:39,987 Speaker 3: So you talk about the growth areas that are still 115 00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:42,347 Speaker 3: to come in this side. What do you perceive them 116 00:05:42,387 --> 00:05:43,267 Speaker 3: specifically to be? 117 00:05:45,507 --> 00:05:45,587 Speaker 4: What? 118 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,227 Speaker 2: It's the group, It's a group learning to play together. 119 00:05:48,267 --> 00:05:50,507 Speaker 2: You look at a Wallace Atti, you look at a 120 00:05:50,587 --> 00:05:55,027 Speaker 2: Cortes that all these young men that are becoming All 121 00:05:55,067 --> 00:05:58,387 Speaker 2: Blacks and understanding what Test match rugby is about. You 122 00:05:58,467 --> 00:06:01,147 Speaker 2: look around the transition of what our leadership group looks like. 123 00:06:01,947 --> 00:06:04,467 Speaker 2: Scooter Barretts in his first year is an All Black captain. 124 00:06:04,627 --> 00:06:08,067 Speaker 2: So when you talk about it's all those layers, there's 125 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:11,147 Speaker 2: a number of them. When we went to South Africa, 126 00:06:11,387 --> 00:06:14,827 Speaker 2: we learned a lot about ourselves around game and we 127 00:06:14,907 --> 00:06:17,667 Speaker 2: understand that. You know today we weren't always at our best. 128 00:06:17,747 --> 00:06:19,827 Speaker 2: But the key thing is, and. 129 00:06:19,787 --> 00:06:21,627 Speaker 4: I hope what people were proud of was we were brave. 130 00:06:21,707 --> 00:06:22,267 Speaker 4: We played. 131 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:24,787 Speaker 2: We didn't always get it right, but in the end 132 00:06:24,787 --> 00:06:25,347 Speaker 2: of the day. 133 00:06:25,267 --> 00:06:27,907 Speaker 4: Because we were brave, we got on the right are 134 00:06:27,947 --> 00:06:28,427 Speaker 4: in the field. 135 00:06:29,107 --> 00:06:31,387 Speaker 3: The penaltyccount was a but lop sided against you, Wasn't it? 136 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:34,227 Speaker 4: Is that a concern at all? I think? So? 137 00:06:34,707 --> 00:06:37,147 Speaker 2: I think was it? And so I haven't seen the 138 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:39,987 Speaker 2: stats from the game. Just being there alive and feeling it. 139 00:06:40,787 --> 00:06:43,667 Speaker 2: So feelings not always facts, but I think the first 140 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,827 Speaker 2: half was nine to one and that's not a position 141 00:06:46,867 --> 00:06:49,467 Speaker 2: we want to That's not a position we want to 142 00:06:49,467 --> 00:06:52,187 Speaker 2: put ourselves in around. That's what was our accuracy, Like, 143 00:06:52,467 --> 00:06:55,427 Speaker 2: we weren't making smart decisions at times around where we 144 00:06:55,427 --> 00:06:59,587 Speaker 2: were playing pressure. We put ourselves in positions where England 145 00:06:59,627 --> 00:07:02,707 Speaker 2: were applying scoreboard pressure because of the penalty. 146 00:07:02,827 --> 00:07:04,587 Speaker 4: So we do have to be better than that. 147 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:09,787 Speaker 2: So definitely, as we go through the week we'll acknowledge 148 00:07:09,827 --> 00:07:13,587 Speaker 2: well what does that look like and get some better solutions. 149 00:07:13,587 --> 00:07:15,227 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day Test match rugby, 150 00:07:16,027 --> 00:07:18,067 Speaker 2: you can't be nine to one on the penalty accounts 151 00:07:18,227 --> 00:07:20,307 Speaker 2: and I think it was that in the first half. 152 00:07:20,947 --> 00:07:22,827 Speaker 3: Just a couple more for you, Scott. I'm glad you 153 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:25,587 Speaker 3: mentioned Wallace the TT. You know you don't want to 154 00:07:25,587 --> 00:07:27,387 Speaker 3: pump a young guy's ties up too much. But has 155 00:07:27,427 --> 00:07:30,307 Speaker 3: he developed quicker in the Black Jersey than you thought 156 00:07:30,307 --> 00:07:30,707 Speaker 3: he would? 157 00:07:32,907 --> 00:07:35,307 Speaker 2: Oh, he's coming and if you look at his performances, 158 00:07:35,427 --> 00:07:36,347 Speaker 2: he's been dominant. 159 00:07:36,387 --> 00:07:38,787 Speaker 4: He's been dominant around what has. 160 00:07:38,707 --> 00:07:43,347 Speaker 2: Ball carriers influencers speed has change his speed. He's a young, 161 00:07:43,707 --> 00:07:46,627 Speaker 2: composed all Black and he's got a long runway. He 162 00:07:46,707 --> 00:07:51,587 Speaker 2: will get better we're just really proud of what his 163 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:55,387 Speaker 2: wigs looks like in his preparations. He's humble, he's a 164 00:07:55,427 --> 00:07:57,707 Speaker 2: great young man and to see him perform so well 165 00:07:57,747 --> 00:07:57,907 Speaker 2: in the. 166 00:07:57,907 --> 00:08:01,267 Speaker 4: All Back Jersey and what is his first year? You know? 167 00:08:01,347 --> 00:08:03,267 Speaker 2: And you come back to your question, which I think 168 00:08:03,267 --> 00:08:07,507 Speaker 2: it's a fair one around what are our learnings? These 169 00:08:07,547 --> 00:08:09,747 Speaker 2: are the learnings that again Wallace t is having every 170 00:08:09,787 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 2: weekend playing Test match rugby for the All Backs around 171 00:08:12,787 --> 00:08:14,947 Speaker 2: where he can choose his moments and what they look like. 172 00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:19,187 Speaker 4: So we're really encouraged. 173 00:08:20,507 --> 00:08:24,987 Speaker 2: Around Wallace's performances and also the people around him that 174 00:08:25,027 --> 00:08:26,027 Speaker 2: are allowing him to do that. 175 00:08:27,227 --> 00:08:29,467 Speaker 3: And finally you're off to Ireland now. But it's a 176 00:08:29,507 --> 00:08:33,027 Speaker 3: shorter turnaround a Friday night game over there. So does 177 00:08:33,067 --> 00:08:37,827 Speaker 3: the shorter turnaround markedly effect the way you build up 178 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:39,067 Speaker 3: towards the next Test match? 179 00:08:41,067 --> 00:08:44,587 Speaker 2: Yeah, well tonight we've got to regroup around where we're at. 180 00:08:44,627 --> 00:08:47,067 Speaker 2: There's a number of boys that are pretty sore. It's 181 00:08:47,107 --> 00:08:52,867 Speaker 2: a very tough Test match here Twickenham, England home. Those 182 00:08:52,907 --> 00:08:54,987 Speaker 2: first couple of carries that came around the corner, it 183 00:08:55,107 --> 00:08:58,307 Speaker 2: was very very physical. We've had a number of players 184 00:08:58,387 --> 00:09:03,507 Speaker 2: leave the field through head h HR issues, so we're 185 00:09:03,547 --> 00:09:07,267 Speaker 2: looking at that. Also you go into Ireland and on 186 00:09:07,387 --> 00:09:10,507 Speaker 2: a shorter week, yes, but you wake up tomorrow proud 187 00:09:10,507 --> 00:09:13,747 Speaker 2: of the performance today and as all Blacks will go well, 188 00:09:13,827 --> 00:09:16,667 Speaker 2: where can we be better? And we'll get excited around 189 00:09:16,707 --> 00:09:20,107 Speaker 2: the opportunity to face Ireland and on their home too. 190 00:09:20,187 --> 00:09:22,307 Speaker 3: For Also, congrats on the win, Scott. 191 00:09:22,387 --> 00:09:25,187 Speaker 4: Thanks for your time, mate, Thanks for your time, Jason, 192 00:09:25,387 --> 00:09:25,907 Speaker 4: cheers mate. 193 00:09:26,027 --> 00:09:29,827 Speaker 3: Thanks Scott, Scott Henson assistant coach. Quite late there so 194 00:09:30,107 --> 00:09:32,267 Speaker 3: thanks for staying up for a Scott, I appreciate it 195 00:09:32,387 --> 00:09:32,667 Speaker 3: very much. 196 00:09:32,707 --> 00:09:32,987 Speaker 4: Indeed. 197 00:09:33,587 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 198 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:40,147 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B weekends from midday or follow 199 00:09:40,187 --> 00:09:41,747 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio