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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks it by helping you get those

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Speaker 1: DIY projects done right. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighteen eighty Youth Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Bizz, even when it's dark, even in the grass is

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Speaker 2: overgrown in the yard, even when it doug is too

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Speaker 2: old to bar, and when we're sitting at the table

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Speaker 2: trying not to starve.

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Speaker 3: Sissor even when we are ben even when you're therell.

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Speaker 4: Well, very very good morning, and welcome along to the show.

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Speaker 4: My name is Pete wolf Camp. This is the Resident

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Speaker 4: Builder on and we are here to talk about all

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Speaker 4: things building construction, the rules, the regulations, the practical, the

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Speaker 4: know how, the tips and tricks let's say, generated in

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Speaker 4: part from you as the listener, because people do learn

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Speaker 4: from you when you're talking about the dilemmas that you have.

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Speaker 4: I had a couple of conversations during the course of

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Speaker 4: the week and people are going, actually I enjoy the

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Speaker 4: show because I learned something. When if you've got an

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Speaker 4: issue with waterproofing, you've got an issue with straightening the

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Speaker 4: boundary fence, if whatever, people will learn from that. So

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Speaker 4: thank you. For your contribution, and I look forward to

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Speaker 4: hearing from you today on the show, we can talk

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Speaker 4: all things building, construction, renovating, home maintenance. You know, we've

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Speaker 4: had another bout of heavy weather, and certainly not a

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Speaker 4: lot is going to prepare you if you know the

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Speaker 4: stream nearby floods and inundates the house. But there are

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Speaker 4: also and inevitably when you go and look at houses

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Speaker 4: perhaps that have had and talking to someone today again

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Speaker 4: or the other day, had that heavy range during the

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Speaker 4: course of the week, discovered a leak, You go and

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Speaker 4: investigate a little bit and find that actually the flashing

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Speaker 4: wasn't securely fastened down, or perhaps the catchpit hadn't been

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Speaker 4: cleaned out for a period of time. So as soon

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Speaker 4: as that more than a little bit of rain arrives,

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Speaker 4: the catch pit overwhelms, sends the water down the driveway,

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Speaker 4: that pushes it underneath the house, and suddenly the back

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Speaker 4: door jams because the piles got wet. You know, these

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Speaker 4: things are all connected. So we're joining the dots on

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Speaker 4: the show in a sense today, taking your calls, your questions,

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Speaker 4: your queries, and I wouldn't mind putting out there just

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Speaker 4: a bit of a public service announcement, but also something

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Speaker 4: that we've talked about. If I think about our theme

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Speaker 4: of the show over the last four or five years,

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Speaker 4: the Healthy Home Standards has been part of it. I

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Speaker 4: mean the legislation was announced. Gosh, it would have to

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Speaker 4: be like two ty seventeen twenty eighteen initially that this

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Speaker 4: was going to come in. When I say Healthy Home Standards,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about the rules and regulations. I was about

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Speaker 4: to say new, but they're raally not that new, given

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Speaker 4: how long we've been talking about them. That ensure that

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Speaker 4: rental properties for people who are renters are of a

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Speaker 4: suitable standard that they keep you warm. So you need

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Speaker 4: be installed in the underfloor and in the roof space.

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Speaker 4: If you've got some heat and you've got some insulation,

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Speaker 4: rules around weather tightness and science. There's a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: a reasonable standard. Funny thing is, of course that many

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Speaker 4: So we've talked about it for a long time. We've

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Speaker 4: there will be no more time to get properties up

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Speaker 4: to scratch. And as it happens, that day is Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: So on Tuesday, the first of July, all New Zealand

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Speaker 4: rental properties will need to comply with the Healthy Homes legislation.

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Speaker 4: So in the past and the last couple of years,

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Speaker 4: if you've got a ponderance, a musing an inquiry about

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Speaker 4: anything to do with your place, whether you own it,

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Speaker 4: actually it's not performing quite as well as I thought

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Speaker 4: it was going to. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 4: that's nine two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone,

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Speaker 4: and of course you can email me. It's Pete at

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Speaker 4: Newstooksib dot co dot nz so Pete p E t

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Speaker 4: E at newstook Sib dot Co dot e so. As

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Speaker 4: July is also halfway through the year. If you're like me,

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Speaker 4: Other stuff kind of gets in the way. But if

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Speaker 4: can talk about all these things and we'll probably end

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Speaker 4: up talking about something that I wouldn't have expected on

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Speaker 4: the show today. So if you've got a tricky question,

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Speaker 4: so now it's a great time to call. The lines

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Speaker 4: are free. I'm still fresh and enthusiastic when out last

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Speaker 4: night to a great play musical on at the ALTAA Center,

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Speaker 4: which was awesome. So feeling good, looking forward to your calls.

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Call me out meat.

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Speaker 1: Twice God was but maybe called Pete first. D you Walcab,

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Speaker 1: the resident builder. News Talk said be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, News Talk, sa'd be coming up. It is actually

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Speaker 4: before we go to Richie, what's your opinion? Says due

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Speaker 4: will be a lot cheaper. And I'm not sure if

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Speaker 4: and get some Readymax otherwise you're going to buy some bags,

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Speaker 4: someone coming and putting those piles, those screw piles in

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Speaker 4: got nothing to take away, nothing to bring in, just

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Speaker 4: I mean you can pump to almost anywhere that's that's doable,

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Speaker 4: I'd certainly consider it absolutely. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 4: mouse and Richie, what's going on? How can I help?

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Speaker 4: How you going, kay, Richie?

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Speaker 6: on years ago. There was a leak in through the roof,

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Speaker 6: you know, just from the moisture and mold and things

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Speaker 6: It's just how long before we put the jib wall

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Speaker 6: Obviously right, perfectly dry, but how dry is dry? And

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose until the next big storm. So you

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Speaker 4: South Island in Auckland, that sort of thing. Actually, most

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Speaker 4: chances are if it didn't leak now, And in fact,

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Speaker 4: was with went, you know, you know that flat roof

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Speaker 4: at my place, Well, it started leaking during the week.

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Speaker 4: So I think if you had a decent amount of

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Speaker 4: okay in terms of moisture content. So if you're doing

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Speaker 4: about eighteen percent. Now, not many people have moisture testers.

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Speaker 4: They're actually quite cheap. Funnily enough, years ago, I tell

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Speaker 4: think it cost me the grand total of about nineteen

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Speaker 4: dollars fifty for this moisture tester. You know, two prongs

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Speaker 4: the button and it tells you what the moisture content is,

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Speaker 4: and I thought, just as an indicative tool, that could

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Speaker 4: be quite useful, right, so ahead, because typically the building

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Speaker 4: equipment that they need to get calibrated, I believe every

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Speaker 4: all right. In that area that was exposed and that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. I mean, if you want to take a

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Speaker 4: oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call. Hello, Susie, Well,

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Speaker 8: Thank you and you good great early early Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: Sure as how can I help?

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Speaker 8: We had a we had a fence, a pung of

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Speaker 4: Look, I have to say, I mean when you say

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Speaker 4: We had one at home. It was like, I don't

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Speaker 4: not either. I would have thought so if the yours

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Speaker 4: And I wonder whether if you went to the insurance

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Speaker 9: Probably.

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Speaker 4: That's how I would see it. You know, typically, if

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Speaker 4: in some instances that's not that easy, right, if there's

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Speaker 4: then I would say that that's solely your responsibility. If

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Speaker 8: And that information will be held with counsel.

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Speaker 4: No, no, sorry to be so blunt. No, council unlikely

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Speaker 4: go to the property file, find what the the distance

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Speaker 4: Typically there's two sorts of well two or three that

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Speaker 4: That's what you're often looking for, and they're the ones

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Speaker 4: So that's what you're looking for, all.

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Speaker 8: Right, great, okay, love, thank you, all right.

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Speaker 4: Take care, Thank you very much. We might take a

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Speaker 4: I want to deal with this one after the break

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Speaker 4: as well. Text that's come through Part one, Morning Pete,

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Speaker 4: our house has an issue with heat. In summer it

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Speaker 4: relocated to site in twenty nineteen. Part two. One side

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Speaker 4: We'll be back after the.

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Speaker 1: Break doing other house sorting the garden. Asked Pete for

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Speaker 1: a hand. The resident builder with peta wolfcap call oh

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Speaker 1: eight news dogs'd.

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Speaker 4: Be indeed, newsbalks'd be. We're talking all things building construction.

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Speaker 4: We will come to that tech shortly. But Danny, good

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Speaker 5: Yeah, morning peatoday, send a veluminium joinery, some external doors

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Speaker 4: No, I think if you've done you know, it's not

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Speaker 4: in which case, applying some sealant to seal that is

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Speaker 4: And I've seen that sometimes every now and then. What

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Speaker 4: Is it a standard opening door?

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Speaker 5: fine to put the hose on the outside, yeah, of

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Speaker 4: So when you're testing it, you're just putting the water

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Speaker 5: Well, the glass and near leminum jowinery, Donny step it

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Speaker 5: Some timber framing, it's concrete.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's and it's solid masonry, yeah, block with a

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Speaker 4: rebate for the joinery, yes, okay, and then the joinery.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's the I don't think it's the

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Speaker 4: Above, Okay, yep. Then look, most likely it's going to

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Speaker 4: What's the condition of the rubber seals around the glazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems okay, okay, But I thought even if

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Speaker 4: Should run out of the rain drain. Yeah, what's at

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Speaker 4: Is there a twelve millimeter gap between the deck and

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00:23:53,375 --> 00:23:57,735
Speaker 4: the joinery?

429
00:23:58,735 --> 00:23:59,095
Speaker 9: Twelve?

430
00:23:59,335 --> 00:23:59,455
Speaker 11: Oh?

431
00:23:59,495 --> 00:24:02,055
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least Okay, all right, because you know, again

432
00:24:02,095 --> 00:24:03,775
Speaker 4: that's one of the things that's the requirement of the

433
00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:06,575
Speaker 4: code now that if you do have like a level

434
00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:09,095
Speaker 4: entry deck or something like that, that you want to

435
00:24:09,135 --> 00:24:10,895
Speaker 4: make sure that there's a gap there and that twelve

436
00:24:10,895 --> 00:24:14,535
Speaker 4: millimeters allows for drainage, and it also it allows for ventilation, right,

437
00:24:14,575 --> 00:24:18,455
Speaker 4: so water doesn't get stuck there and then potentially get

438
00:24:18,535 --> 00:24:24,735
Speaker 4: capillary back up and up and underneath the flashing. Do

439
00:24:24,855 --> 00:24:28,335
Speaker 4: you know if when you probably don't, if the window

440
00:24:28,415 --> 00:24:31,615
Speaker 4: was installed, did they seal the rebait at the bottom?

441
00:24:33,335 --> 00:24:35,335
Speaker 5: No idea. We only bought the house about a year ago,

442
00:24:35,375 --> 00:24:38,535
Speaker 5: we knowing the leak was there. It's now just trying

443
00:24:38,575 --> 00:24:39,415
Speaker 5: to remedy us there.

444
00:24:39,495 --> 00:24:39,735
Speaker 9: Yeah.

445
00:24:39,775 --> 00:24:46,815
Speaker 4: Sure is the thought of pulling if it's hot. Is

446
00:24:46,855 --> 00:24:50,055
Speaker 4: it a hot block specifically type.

447
00:24:49,815 --> 00:24:52,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, the block with the polystine in the middle.

448
00:24:52,455 --> 00:24:55,015
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, the hot block, okay, and it's a rebait,

449
00:24:55,215 --> 00:24:57,775
Speaker 4: and then the windows are inserted into there is there

450
00:24:57,775 --> 00:24:58,935
Speaker 4: a head flashing.

451
00:25:02,575 --> 00:25:07,775
Speaker 5: No, there is, but that's a negative detail. So so there's

452
00:25:07,775 --> 00:25:14,415
Speaker 5: a drip line, right, Okay, water comes through when I'm

453
00:25:14,415 --> 00:25:16,415
Speaker 5: just spraying the bottom part of the window, so i've

454
00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:17,855
Speaker 5: sort of ice ladder. It's not from the.

455
00:25:17,815 --> 00:25:22,135
Speaker 4: Top, Okay, all right, it'll it'll be a leak somewhere

456
00:25:22,135 --> 00:25:24,695
Speaker 4: in the joinery, in the frame or the seals.

457
00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:28,415
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find some old bugger that there has

458
00:25:28,455 --> 00:25:30,655
Speaker 5: been doing the animinium drawing for years. It'll know exactly

459
00:25:30,695 --> 00:25:31,175
Speaker 5: what it is.

460
00:25:31,895 --> 00:25:34,455
Speaker 4: I know exactly the right person, but he's he's a

461
00:25:34,495 --> 00:25:39,455
Speaker 4: little bit out of action at the moment. Look, I'll

462
00:25:39,495 --> 00:25:42,695
Speaker 4: tell you what. If you can find on the frame

463
00:25:42,815 --> 00:25:45,535
Speaker 4: somewhere it does it have the name of the original manufacturer.

464
00:25:45,615 --> 00:25:47,735
Speaker 4: I don't need to know who that is, but if

465
00:25:47,735 --> 00:25:50,375
Speaker 4: it's if it's a reasonably well known brand, I'd go

466
00:25:50,455 --> 00:25:53,095
Speaker 4: to them and go, hey, look, can you send out

467
00:25:53,095 --> 00:25:56,095
Speaker 4: your old fellow. You know, with the greatest respect to

468
00:25:56,135 --> 00:25:58,295
Speaker 4: old fellows like myself, a little bit of gray here

469
00:25:58,335 --> 00:26:00,895
Speaker 4: is not a bad thing in this instance, and they

470
00:26:00,975 --> 00:26:03,135
Speaker 4: may well be able to identify it, so I would

471
00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:05,175
Speaker 4: that would be my next step. Actually, see if you

472
00:26:05,175 --> 00:26:08,215
Speaker 4: can find out who the yourig general joinery manufacturer is.

473
00:26:08,695 --> 00:26:10,375
Speaker 4: Get in touch with them, see if they can send

474
00:26:10,415 --> 00:26:11,295
Speaker 4: someone out and have a look.

475
00:26:12,335 --> 00:26:12,655
Speaker 5: Very good.

476
00:26:12,935 --> 00:26:15,695
Speaker 4: The other company that's that's pretty experienced in this fields

477
00:26:15,855 --> 00:26:20,175
Speaker 4: exceed window maintenance unless you they've been out in that

478
00:26:20,375 --> 00:26:23,375
Speaker 4: look all right, try the original joiners.

479
00:26:24,615 --> 00:26:24,735
Speaker 7: Bro.

480
00:26:25,055 --> 00:26:27,375
Speaker 4: We'll do that, all right, you get good luck with that?

481
00:26:27,415 --> 00:26:28,375
Speaker 5: Good on you take care.

482
00:26:29,455 --> 00:26:32,375
Speaker 4: Yes, the chappie that I know, who I've called on many,

483
00:26:32,455 --> 00:26:35,495
Speaker 4: many many times is just is laid up after some

484
00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:38,055
Speaker 4: surgery at the moment, but bloody good to catch up

485
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:40,815
Speaker 4: with you on Friday. To mate, I eight hundred eight.

486
00:26:40,855 --> 00:26:42,815
Speaker 4: If he's listening to the show, I eight hundred eighty

487
00:26:42,855 --> 00:26:45,375
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. Let me see

488
00:26:45,415 --> 00:26:47,495
Speaker 4: six thirty eight Scott Greetings.

489
00:26:48,415 --> 00:26:49,535
Speaker 12: Hello, how are you going?

490
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:49,895
Speaker 13: Signing?

491
00:26:50,335 --> 00:26:51,415
Speaker 4: Yeah, very well, thank you.

492
00:26:52,175 --> 00:26:55,375
Speaker 12: That's a sorry. I've got a question about We've got

493
00:26:55,415 --> 00:26:58,295
Speaker 12: a pool that's been in the ground for about forty

494
00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:03,335
Speaker 12: years and it's it's it's sunken below the surrounding ground

495
00:27:03,375 --> 00:27:07,815
Speaker 12: by one point two one point seven meters and then

496
00:27:07,815 --> 00:27:11,655
Speaker 12: it's got a one of the good pall fences, you know,

497
00:27:11,695 --> 00:27:16,015
Speaker 12: the steel ones, and that goes around and it goes

498
00:27:16,055 --> 00:27:19,775
Speaker 12: out to a ha ha a ha ha. You know,

499
00:27:19,975 --> 00:27:22,015
Speaker 12: like you know, your lawn goes and then it drops

500
00:27:22,015 --> 00:27:22,815
Speaker 12: off into the paddock.

501
00:27:24,495 --> 00:27:26,095
Speaker 4: Never heard it described as a ha ha?

502
00:27:26,975 --> 00:27:28,415
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, So is this.

503
00:27:30,295 --> 00:27:32,015
Speaker 4: No, no, a country thing?

504
00:27:32,695 --> 00:27:32,935
Speaker 14: Yeah?

505
00:27:32,975 --> 00:27:36,775
Speaker 12: Probably, yeah. So you have your lawn and then you

506
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,015
Speaker 12: look straight out to your pads and then there's a

507
00:27:39,095 --> 00:27:41,615
Speaker 12: drop off and into the lawn down to the to

508
00:27:41,655 --> 00:27:44,535
Speaker 12: the paddock and it's and in this case.

509
00:27:45,215 --> 00:27:47,695
Speaker 4: That you call it a ha ha. Is that because

510
00:27:47,735 --> 00:27:49,695
Speaker 4: you laugh and you're doing roly polies down the hill

511
00:27:50,055 --> 00:27:50,455
Speaker 4: with a name?

512
00:27:50,575 --> 00:27:52,735
Speaker 12: No, no, it's not a hill. It's like it's like

513
00:27:52,775 --> 00:27:55,815
Speaker 12: an need. It's got a no no, It just goes

514
00:27:55,855 --> 00:27:58,255
Speaker 12: the lawn and then it stops and then there's a drop. Yes,

515
00:27:58,495 --> 00:28:00,695
Speaker 12: you know, the vertical dropped down to the to the

516
00:28:01,255 --> 00:28:04,095
Speaker 12: diferent area. Yeah, yep. So it's like one point two

517
00:28:04,335 --> 00:28:06,575
Speaker 12: one point four meters or with.

518
00:28:06,575 --> 00:28:09,575
Speaker 4: The retaining wall or is it just battered the.

519
00:28:09,575 --> 00:28:12,775
Speaker 12: Retaining and it's been in there for forty years and

520
00:28:12,775 --> 00:28:15,175
Speaker 12: it's got a hedge on a hedge on top of that,

521
00:28:16,215 --> 00:28:19,615
Speaker 12: which is very fucking goes across there, and then on

522
00:28:19,655 --> 00:28:24,295
Speaker 12: the other side it's got a railing fence, like a

523
00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:27,535
Speaker 12: one point two one point three meters railing things for

524
00:28:27,615 --> 00:28:29,455
Speaker 12: the electric trust to the honor, and then side that

525
00:28:29,535 --> 00:28:32,695
Speaker 12: there's like a three foot heats that's been there for

526
00:28:32,695 --> 00:28:36,215
Speaker 12: forty years and that, and then it's got the proper

527
00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:36,615
Speaker 12: gates with.

528
00:28:36,695 --> 00:28:39,335
Speaker 4: The proper you know, the proper Yeah, the lectures self

529
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:41,375
Speaker 4: closing and lecture.

530
00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:45,975
Speaker 12: And height all right, height, and then you've got the

531
00:28:45,975 --> 00:28:49,775
Speaker 12: botoms and stuff like that. So the huge of one

532
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:52,975
Speaker 12: called us a little bit weak. Now we've had we've

533
00:28:53,055 --> 00:28:59,495
Speaker 12: had an expection recently and they suggested if and then

534
00:28:59,615 --> 00:29:02,375
Speaker 12: it couldn't get in there if you know what I mean,

535
00:29:02,655 --> 00:29:05,895
Speaker 12: little owner child at the moment. But the suggesting that

536
00:29:05,935 --> 00:29:08,095
Speaker 12: we have to put meeting up on the railing fence

537
00:29:08,095 --> 00:29:10,895
Speaker 12: on the outside of the edge and stuff like that

538
00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:14,455
Speaker 12: so that you can't get a purchase there to climb.

539
00:29:14,215 --> 00:29:16,415
Speaker 4: To ensure that it's not climbable.

540
00:29:16,895 --> 00:29:19,535
Speaker 12: Yeah, which it isn't because it's got electricity over and

541
00:29:19,535 --> 00:29:21,375
Speaker 12: it's got and then there's a three foot heage to

542
00:29:21,415 --> 00:29:23,695
Speaker 12: climb through which it can't, which is impenetrable.

543
00:29:24,135 --> 00:29:27,415
Speaker 4: Hedges are not considered suitable for pool fencing.

544
00:29:28,295 --> 00:29:30,095
Speaker 12: No, No, that's right, we're getting that, we're getting to

545
00:29:30,095 --> 00:29:38,015
Speaker 12: that point. So they suggested, and the report was used

546
00:29:38,135 --> 00:29:40,575
Speaker 12: meeting on the edge of the fence, which will which

547
00:29:40,615 --> 00:29:45,095
Speaker 12: will make it child proof or child proof in their eyes?

548
00:29:46,415 --> 00:29:48,695
Speaker 12: And what the question was is do you need if

549
00:29:48,695 --> 00:29:51,335
Speaker 12: you if you if you don't upgrade your fence, do

550
00:29:51,335 --> 00:29:52,615
Speaker 12: you need a constin.

551
00:29:54,255 --> 00:29:54,335
Speaker 9: Not?

552
00:29:54,495 --> 00:29:58,895
Speaker 15: Typically No, the fellows that we're trying to councils got

553
00:29:58,935 --> 00:30:01,855
Speaker 15: as adamant that if you'd start doing this and that

554
00:30:02,015 --> 00:30:04,855
Speaker 15: you need to constinct a building consent for a fend.

555
00:30:05,175 --> 00:30:07,895
Speaker 4: You'd have to ask them to which piece of legislation

556
00:30:07,975 --> 00:30:12,095
Speaker 4: would it require a building consent? Yes, so I would.

557
00:30:12,175 --> 00:30:14,535
Speaker 4: I would probably go back and say, look, my understanding

558
00:30:14,655 --> 00:30:17,055
Speaker 4: is that under Schedule one of the act, I don't

559
00:30:17,055 --> 00:30:21,415
Speaker 4: require a building consent. Can you tell me exactly which

560
00:30:21,495 --> 00:30:25,095
Speaker 4: part of this construction triggers a requirement for a building consent,

561
00:30:26,735 --> 00:30:29,455
Speaker 4: Even the fact that it's a pool fence and you

562
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:33,135
Speaker 4: know it's therefore safety, I don't know that that would

563
00:30:33,175 --> 00:30:36,855
Speaker 4: necessarily require a building consent. Needs to comply with the

564
00:30:36,895 --> 00:30:43,895
Speaker 4: pool fencing requirements in terms of its performance. And I'm

565
00:30:43,935 --> 00:30:46,015
Speaker 4: a little bit curious about this idea of sort of

566
00:30:46,015 --> 00:30:49,255
Speaker 4: wrapping some mesh around the outside of it, because that

567
00:30:49,415 --> 00:30:51,575
Speaker 4: in many ways the mesh will just make it more

568
00:30:51,615 --> 00:30:57,055
Speaker 4: climbable because it's its finger and toe holts, right, not the.

569
00:30:57,015 --> 00:30:59,615
Speaker 12: Mess the proper square mesh, it's the rest.

570
00:30:59,655 --> 00:31:01,575
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, okay.

571
00:31:03,455 --> 00:31:07,015
Speaker 12: I've seen it years before and some division around. You know,

572
00:31:07,055 --> 00:31:10,455
Speaker 12: when they have those the water flows to certain areas

573
00:31:10,455 --> 00:31:12,335
Speaker 12: and then they've got like a bonding system, then then

574
00:31:12,375 --> 00:31:14,935
Speaker 12: it flows into pipe and disappears.

575
00:31:15,015 --> 00:31:15,615
Speaker 4: Now I'm with you.

576
00:31:15,815 --> 00:31:17,935
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, they've got they've.

577
00:31:17,735 --> 00:31:20,175
Speaker 12: Got a writing things up and then check that stuff

578
00:31:20,175 --> 00:31:20,855
Speaker 12: to the outside of it.

579
00:31:22,775 --> 00:31:27,015
Speaker 4: I think in terms of so the the assessment or

580
00:31:27,055 --> 00:31:29,375
Speaker 4: the inspection is obviously done by a council officer.

581
00:31:30,535 --> 00:31:32,735
Speaker 12: Yeah, and they've done like it's been like that for

582
00:31:32,735 --> 00:31:33,295
Speaker 12: forty years.

583
00:31:33,415 --> 00:31:37,655
Speaker 4: Yeah, And okay, so look, maybe laws have changed or

584
00:31:37,695 --> 00:31:39,415
Speaker 4: maybe they've kind of turned a blind eye to it

585
00:31:39,455 --> 00:31:41,335
Speaker 4: and let it go and now they're not prepared to

586
00:31:41,455 --> 00:31:44,655
Speaker 4: so you know, but I think with these sorts of things,

587
00:31:44,695 --> 00:31:48,695
Speaker 4: they need to be very clear around this is where

588
00:31:48,895 --> 00:31:51,855
Speaker 4: your fence fails in terms of compliance with the Poor

589
00:31:51,895 --> 00:31:56,335
Speaker 4: Fencing Act. And I'm a little bit surprised that they

590
00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:58,655
Speaker 4: offer up solutions. Sometimes they're not. They don't want to

591
00:31:58,655 --> 00:32:00,415
Speaker 4: do that because they don't want to be held responsible

592
00:32:00,455 --> 00:32:02,375
Speaker 4: for it. But if they have offered up a solution,

593
00:32:02,455 --> 00:32:04,855
Speaker 4: that's fine. But then to say that it requires a

594
00:32:04,855 --> 00:32:08,375
Speaker 4: building consent, you just gently go back and say, hey,

595
00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:10,975
Speaker 4: look on what grounds that's right?

596
00:32:11,215 --> 00:32:14,295
Speaker 12: I'd think the existing sense putting the netting up was fine,

597
00:32:14,695 --> 00:32:18,175
Speaker 12: and the haha was putting up the netting so that

598
00:32:18,495 --> 00:32:22,095
Speaker 12: there was no toe holds. And then what I suggested

599
00:32:22,175 --> 00:32:25,095
Speaker 12: were putting in some new posts and then put the

600
00:32:25,175 --> 00:32:29,495
Speaker 12: net that this special mess stuff to the one point

601
00:32:29,535 --> 00:32:33,935
Speaker 12: two meters because everyone is high. And then there was

602
00:32:33,935 --> 00:32:35,975
Speaker 12: when he got panicis there we need a building consider

603
00:32:36,055 --> 00:32:36,815
Speaker 12: put some posts them?

604
00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:37,695
Speaker 16: I don't.

605
00:32:37,735 --> 00:32:38,375
Speaker 17: I don't think so.

606
00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:42,055
Speaker 12: But yeah, then under the what is what do you say?

607
00:32:42,095 --> 00:32:43,815
Speaker 12: That was under the first Act?

608
00:32:45,575 --> 00:32:49,455
Speaker 4: So work that work that can be done, building work

609
00:32:49,455 --> 00:32:52,455
Speaker 4: that can be done without necessarily requiring a building consent

610
00:32:52,655 --> 00:32:55,255
Speaker 4: is summarized and schedule one of the acts. So if

611
00:32:55,255 --> 00:32:57,255
Speaker 4: you want to do a quick on online search, she

612
00:32:57,335 --> 00:32:59,895
Speaker 4: just sets for building acts, should your one, and it'll

613
00:32:59,895 --> 00:33:03,735
Speaker 4: bring up all of the exemptions, typical exemptions. And I

614
00:33:04,055 --> 00:33:06,935
Speaker 4: would have thought that fencing generally is an exemption.

615
00:33:07,135 --> 00:33:09,775
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, oh no, that's great.

616
00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:13,095
Speaker 4: All the best. You're Scott. It goes well. Take care o.

617
00:33:13,375 --> 00:33:15,855
Speaker 4: There a couple of texts on the now. Maybe it's

618
00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:18,575
Speaker 4: not a ha ha, maybe it's a hard gar. A

619
00:33:18,655 --> 00:33:22,015
Speaker 4: hager was a device in landscaping invented by Capability Brown

620
00:33:22,735 --> 00:33:25,335
Speaker 4: in the UK to give the impression of fields appearing

621
00:33:25,335 --> 00:33:27,415
Speaker 4: to go right up to a grand house. The fence

622
00:33:27,535 --> 00:33:30,375
Speaker 4: was placed at the bottom of the ditch, unseen from

623
00:33:30,455 --> 00:33:34,375
Speaker 4: the grand house windows. John from Omaru, thank you very

624
00:33:34,455 --> 00:33:39,055
Speaker 4: much a hager. So the I I suppose the idea

625
00:33:39,095 --> 00:33:41,495
Speaker 4: is you'd have your lawn extending out from your grand

626
00:33:41,575 --> 00:33:44,935
Speaker 4: palace in the countryside in the UK, and then the

627
00:33:44,975 --> 00:33:47,695
Speaker 4: bank slopes down and you put the fence to keep

628
00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:51,175
Speaker 4: out the peasants at the bottom so you can't see

629
00:33:51,215 --> 00:33:53,855
Speaker 4: the poor and impoverished pleading at the gates when you're

630
00:33:53,895 --> 00:33:56,375
Speaker 4: sitting having a cup of tea in a cucumber sandwich

631
00:33:56,615 --> 00:34:00,535
Speaker 4: in the afternoon. It kind of works. Oh, eight hundred

632
00:34:00,615 --> 00:34:02,335
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Just a

633
00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:05,855
Speaker 4: quick one on the joinery that's leaking. The fixed glazing

634
00:34:05,935 --> 00:34:09,255
Speaker 4: panel maters are open. Take out the glass to fix it.

635
00:34:10,255 --> 00:34:14,375
Speaker 4: That's a very good point, thank you, Peter. So for

636
00:34:15,175 --> 00:34:17,975
Speaker 4: Danny who's got the leaking joinery. If what they've done

637
00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:19,935
Speaker 4: is come along and sort of opened the door and

638
00:34:20,015 --> 00:34:24,015
Speaker 4: filled that area with silicon, it might be if there's

639
00:34:24,015 --> 00:34:27,095
Speaker 4: a fixed panel that you need to unclip the glazing beads,

640
00:34:27,255 --> 00:34:31,415
Speaker 4: lift the unit out, whether it's single or double glazed out,

641
00:34:31,495 --> 00:34:35,175
Speaker 4: and then seal the miters there and then reinstall the glass.

642
00:34:35,255 --> 00:34:37,135
Speaker 4: If they didn't do that when they arrived with a

643
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:40,495
Speaker 4: tube of silicon, then that might be a next step.

644
00:34:40,535 --> 00:34:43,135
Speaker 4: Thank you very much Peter for your suggestion. Oh, eight

645
00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:45,455
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Will

646
00:34:45,455 --> 00:34:47,135
Speaker 4: come back and talk to Roger in just a moment.

647
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Speaker 1: Whether you're peaty with ceiling fixing with or wondering how

648
00:34:50,335 --> 00:34:52,575
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter wolf

649
00:34:52,575 --> 00:34:57,975
Speaker 1: Cap call on eighty the resident builder on Youth dogs'b.

650
00:34:58,775 --> 00:35:00,295
Speaker 4: Just before we go to Roger, I just want to

651
00:35:00,375 --> 00:35:02,735
Speaker 4: go back to that text from earlier, on part one

652
00:35:02,855 --> 00:35:05,295
Speaker 4: of the text Morning, Peter, our house is an issue

653
00:35:05,295 --> 00:35:07,735
Speaker 4: with heat. In summer it can well of forty degrees

654
00:35:07,775 --> 00:35:09,775
Speaker 4: and in winter we struggle to get it to twenty

655
00:35:09,815 --> 00:35:15,815
Speaker 4: degrees new build relocated to site in twenty nineteen. So

656
00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:19,095
Speaker 4: was it built in twenty nineteen or was it built earlier?

657
00:35:19,415 --> 00:35:21,375
Speaker 4: I kind of need to know. So one side of

658
00:35:21,375 --> 00:35:23,735
Speaker 4: the house is nearly all ranch sliders the house. That

659
00:35:23,895 --> 00:35:26,535
Speaker 4: side is west facing, so short of moving the house,

660
00:35:26,575 --> 00:35:29,375
Speaker 4: is there any other solution to managing heating and calling?

661
00:35:29,695 --> 00:35:35,375
Speaker 4: Thanks Rachel Looks. It's both a really simple question and

662
00:35:35,415 --> 00:35:38,375
Speaker 4: a really really complex one. I think that probably the

663
00:35:38,415 --> 00:35:41,615
Speaker 4: most sensible solution for that western side of the house

664
00:35:42,335 --> 00:35:47,095
Speaker 4: is to add some shade. And if you design the

665
00:35:47,135 --> 00:35:51,455
Speaker 4: shade well, i e. A purglar or pagoda that extends

666
00:35:51,455 --> 00:35:53,935
Speaker 4: out over there, what you'll find is that with the

667
00:35:54,095 --> 00:35:57,855
Speaker 4: change in the position of the sun in the sky. No,

668
00:35:58,535 --> 00:36:01,655
Speaker 4: the sun doesn't change, we change, right, So it would

669
00:36:01,695 --> 00:36:04,695
Speaker 4: appear that the sun is either higher in the sky

670
00:36:04,935 --> 00:36:09,695
Speaker 4: in winter and lower in summer. So in summer, sorry

671
00:36:09,695 --> 00:36:13,055
Speaker 4: in winter, So in winter you want to have some

672
00:36:13,095 --> 00:36:16,575
Speaker 4: shading that extends out that allows the sun to come in.

673
00:36:16,655 --> 00:36:19,535
Speaker 4: You want that passive soul again over the winter period,

674
00:36:19,855 --> 00:36:23,855
Speaker 4: but in summer you want it to be shaded. So

675
00:36:24,215 --> 00:36:27,535
Speaker 4: it's there are designers who will help you with that

676
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:31,015
Speaker 4: to determine exactly where you need to put that shade,

677
00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:33,575
Speaker 4: how far out, how high it is, and so on,

678
00:36:33,655 --> 00:36:36,455
Speaker 4: and that will give you shading, protect you from that

679
00:36:36,615 --> 00:36:39,975
Speaker 4: soul again over the summer month, and it will allow

680
00:36:40,335 --> 00:36:44,535
Speaker 4: that warmth that you want in winter to come in

681
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:50,175
Speaker 4: in my own house completely and utterly. Coincidentally, when we

682
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:53,335
Speaker 4: renovated many many years ago, we added a veranda to

683
00:36:53,375 --> 00:36:55,575
Speaker 4: the back of the house. It's north facing. We added

684
00:36:55,615 --> 00:36:59,455
Speaker 4: some French doors, some bifolds, etc. And we also added

685
00:36:59,455 --> 00:37:01,695
Speaker 4: a verandah with a covered roof on it in a

686
00:37:01,695 --> 00:37:05,775
Speaker 4: typical sort of villa fashion. As it happens in the

687
00:37:05,775 --> 00:37:09,415
Speaker 4: middle of so the longest day was what ten days ago,

688
00:37:09,775 --> 00:37:13,535
Speaker 4: The sun lower in the sky will come underneath that

689
00:37:13,775 --> 00:37:18,695
Speaker 4: veranda roof and extend four meters let's say, into the room,

690
00:37:19,695 --> 00:37:22,935
Speaker 4: so the floor is lit up. In summertime, that sun

691
00:37:23,055 --> 00:37:27,095
Speaker 4: stops at the doors. Now I'm going to give credit

692
00:37:27,135 --> 00:37:30,055
Speaker 4: to my architect, Lloyd, who designed it like that, or

693
00:37:30,095 --> 00:37:32,455
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go it was just an absolute fluke,

694
00:37:32,495 --> 00:37:35,575
Speaker 4: but either way it works. So shading is going to

695
00:37:35,575 --> 00:37:40,255
Speaker 4: be a big part of that solution. Roger greetings, Hey.

696
00:37:40,135 --> 00:37:46,815
Speaker 13: There shovels about some of the thty years old wether

697
00:37:46,855 --> 00:37:49,855
Speaker 13: all God I think has terror or handle some of

698
00:37:49,855 --> 00:37:53,295
Speaker 13: them and the splinter, and every time I use them

699
00:37:53,575 --> 00:37:57,855
Speaker 13: you get a wee splinter. Any plastic spray that you

700
00:37:57,895 --> 00:37:59,095
Speaker 13: can spray over.

701
00:37:58,935 --> 00:38:05,415
Speaker 4: It, okay, that's just try. I think I've probably got

702
00:38:05,415 --> 00:38:08,055
Speaker 4: some shovels well wooden handles on them that would be

703
00:38:09,575 --> 00:38:17,855
Speaker 4: of around that vintage. Yes, I don't know that i'd go.

704
00:38:18,455 --> 00:38:21,175
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, you could probably put some sort of

705
00:38:21,255 --> 00:38:25,575
Speaker 4: plastic spray over them, but whether it would stay on there,

706
00:38:25,615 --> 00:38:27,815
Speaker 4: and whether or not it's kind of nice to use.

707
00:38:28,735 --> 00:38:32,455
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Those splinters that you get, are they

708
00:38:32,575 --> 00:38:36,015
Speaker 4: wear a large sort of part of the fiber of

709
00:38:36,055 --> 00:38:38,575
Speaker 4: the timber actually starts to peel away and you're getting

710
00:38:38,575 --> 00:38:42,455
Speaker 4: a splinter, or are they like those small little splinters

711
00:38:42,455 --> 00:38:45,735
Speaker 4: that you might get from time to time. Yes, there's

712
00:38:45,895 --> 00:38:46,975
Speaker 4: smaller the little ones.

713
00:38:47,055 --> 00:38:47,255
Speaker 10: Yeah.

714
00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:53,615
Speaker 13: Yeah, I got a space in the hand. You can't

715
00:38:53,655 --> 00:38:55,295
Speaker 13: get the things out.

716
00:38:56,855 --> 00:39:00,015
Speaker 4: What about something like giving it a good sand, right,

717
00:39:00,095 --> 00:39:02,775
Speaker 4: so with some sandpaper, giving it a sand, knocking off

718
00:39:02,815 --> 00:39:05,735
Speaker 4: as many of those little splinters as possible, and then

719
00:39:05,935 --> 00:39:08,375
Speaker 4: just you using you know, you could use linseed oil,

720
00:39:08,455 --> 00:39:11,495
Speaker 4: you could use some Danish oil something like that to

721
00:39:12,135 --> 00:39:16,535
Speaker 4: oil and keep some moisture in the timber, which I

722
00:39:16,575 --> 00:39:19,175
Speaker 4: think will help keep down the splinters. I think I'd

723
00:39:19,295 --> 00:39:23,095
Speaker 4: rather go for like an oil onto the timber rather

724
00:39:23,175 --> 00:39:26,055
Speaker 4: than a plastic coating which is most likely going to

725
00:39:26,055 --> 00:39:29,975
Speaker 4: peel off again. Oh, I see, so sand at Noilam

726
00:39:30,655 --> 00:39:37,255
Speaker 4: would be my gown. I think so nice to talk

727
00:39:37,295 --> 00:39:41,135
Speaker 4: to you all the best. A little while ago I

728
00:39:41,135 --> 00:39:43,815
Speaker 4: was doing I came in and did a Sunday afternoon show,

729
00:39:44,535 --> 00:39:47,575
Speaker 4: The Sunday at Six with Jack S. Donaldson. I was

730
00:39:47,655 --> 00:39:50,055
Speaker 4: filling in for Frank Richie, and we got talking about

731
00:39:50,495 --> 00:39:52,295
Speaker 4: things that we couldn't part with, and then we got

732
00:39:52,335 --> 00:39:55,055
Speaker 4: talking about shovels, and then we both sort of start

733
00:39:55,135 --> 00:39:58,655
Speaker 4: to obsess about shovels. To be fair, there is nothing better. Well,

734
00:39:58,695 --> 00:40:00,695
Speaker 4: there are lots of things better. But one of life's

735
00:40:00,735 --> 00:40:04,095
Speaker 4: great pleasures, if you're involved in sort of the manual trades,

736
00:40:04,175 --> 00:40:05,615
Speaker 4: or you like being out in the garden and that

737
00:40:05,655 --> 00:40:08,215
Speaker 4: sort of thing, is the quality, the sheer pleasure you

738
00:40:08,255 --> 00:40:10,615
Speaker 4: get from a really good shovel and how attached you

739
00:40:10,655 --> 00:40:14,335
Speaker 4: get to them, and how intolerant you become of using

740
00:40:14,375 --> 00:40:17,775
Speaker 4: shovels that are not particularly good or spades any digging implement.

741
00:40:18,615 --> 00:40:20,535
Speaker 4: So yeah, having one with a nice wooden handle it

742
00:40:20,535 --> 00:40:23,175
Speaker 4: gives you splinters would be a source of some concern,

743
00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:26,415
Speaker 4: I would imagine. Kate, hold on, we will talk to

744
00:40:26,415 --> 00:40:28,255
Speaker 4: you after new Sport and where the top of the

745
00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:33,695
Speaker 4: are at seven o'clock. Text Pete how effective is underfloor

746
00:40:33,735 --> 00:40:37,015
Speaker 4: insulation in our old house and is it beneficial to

747
00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:40,175
Speaker 4: also do the walls as well? There is insulation in

748
00:40:40,215 --> 00:40:45,295
Speaker 4: the roof. Cheers from Alistair. Alistair. Probably the single best

749
00:40:45,295 --> 00:40:47,655
Speaker 4: thing you can do for your house is to add

750
00:40:47,735 --> 00:40:53,335
Speaker 4: insulation in the correct Insulation in the correct place will

751
00:40:53,335 --> 00:40:56,735
Speaker 4: make a massive difference to how your house performs. So yes,

752
00:40:56,895 --> 00:41:01,455
Speaker 4: underfloor insulation is tremendously effective. It will help keep the

753
00:41:01,495 --> 00:41:04,695
Speaker 4: heat in if it's well installed. It will also help

754
00:41:05,535 --> 00:41:08,895
Speaker 4: prevent those drafts that will make your house. If it's

755
00:41:08,935 --> 00:41:12,895
Speaker 4: a conventional strip flooring, it'll help with there. If you

756
00:41:12,935 --> 00:41:15,495
Speaker 4: can do the walls, Yes, you need to do a

757
00:41:15,495 --> 00:41:17,935
Speaker 4: bit of research as to which is the best system

758
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,655
Speaker 4: for your house, but yeah, adding insulation never a bad thing.

759
00:41:22,095 --> 00:41:24,975
Speaker 4: By the way, insallation doesn't cause overheating. We'll talk about

760
00:41:24,975 --> 00:41:32,375
Speaker 4: that after the break as well. Back after the Newsszon

761
00:41:33,975 --> 00:41:36,135
Speaker 4: Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

762
00:41:36,295 --> 00:41:39,175
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter wolf Care, the resident

763
00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:43,655
Speaker 1: builder on news Talk said, b well girls.

764
00:41:44,095 --> 00:41:51,295
Speaker 4: By really those styles be aware and the sun girls

765
00:41:51,375 --> 00:41:55,455
Speaker 4: with the we time they knocked me out when I'm

766
00:41:55,575 --> 00:42:10,055
Speaker 4: down there westin Well, make your Newstalk's CB Pete wolf

767
00:42:10,055 --> 00:42:12,815
Speaker 4: Camp with you. We're talking all things building in construction

768
00:42:12,935 --> 00:42:16,055
Speaker 4: here at Newstalks CB on a Sunday morning. This is

769
00:42:16,135 --> 00:42:18,375
Speaker 4: the resident builder on Sunday, So if you'd like to

770
00:42:18,415 --> 00:42:20,415
Speaker 4: join me if you've got a question, eight hundred and

771
00:42:20,415 --> 00:42:24,455
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call now. Before

772
00:42:24,495 --> 00:42:30,255
Speaker 4: the break, Denny was one of our earlier callers talking

773
00:42:30,575 --> 00:42:34,695
Speaker 4: about a persistent leak in some twenty year old aluminium

774
00:42:34,775 --> 00:42:39,975
Speaker 4: jowinery which is set into a solid, semi solid masonry wall.

775
00:42:40,055 --> 00:42:42,255
Speaker 4: So what they call a hot block system, which was

776
00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:44,815
Speaker 4: blocks I don't even think you can buy them anymore,

777
00:42:45,055 --> 00:42:48,935
Speaker 4: concrete blocks that had a polystyrene skin inserted in them

778
00:42:48,935 --> 00:42:51,775
Speaker 4: to help with their thermal efficiency. So you could build

779
00:42:51,815 --> 00:42:55,295
Speaker 4: in this nice solid masonry construction joinery fits into a

780
00:42:55,335 --> 00:42:59,455
Speaker 4: rebate leak at the bottom of the joinery that's then

781
00:42:59,735 --> 00:43:04,055
Speaker 4: visible on the floor inside the dwelling. A couple of

782
00:43:04,095 --> 00:43:07,295
Speaker 4: attempts to fix it, a couple of suggestions that maybe

783
00:43:07,455 --> 00:43:11,015
Speaker 4: the leak might be in the fixed panel. Now Ron

784
00:43:11,055 --> 00:43:13,415
Speaker 4: has taxed through, and I have a feeling I know

785
00:43:13,655 --> 00:43:17,175
Speaker 4: Ron is but and not surprised by the accuracy of

786
00:43:17,215 --> 00:43:17,815
Speaker 4: his comments.

787
00:43:18,055 --> 00:43:18,575
Speaker 15: Pete.

788
00:43:18,775 --> 00:43:22,575
Speaker 4: Hinged door systems typically have a sump sill. If the

789
00:43:22,695 --> 00:43:27,455
Speaker 4: underside has been inadequately sealed, it's difficult to address. One

790
00:43:27,495 --> 00:43:31,055
Speaker 4: way is very careful and accurate invasion through the top

791
00:43:31,095 --> 00:43:34,095
Speaker 4: side platform, which will have drainage holes in it. The

792
00:43:34,095 --> 00:43:37,815
Speaker 4: accuracy of the seilent application is important. Could be done

793
00:43:38,535 --> 00:43:41,815
Speaker 4: by could be done or aided by micro chemict needs

794
00:43:41,815 --> 00:43:44,615
Speaker 4: to be done by a person who understands the product design.

795
00:43:45,095 --> 00:43:47,295
Speaker 4: Thanks very much for that, Ron, I agree with you,

796
00:43:47,375 --> 00:43:50,415
Speaker 4: and I wonder whether in this instance going back to

797
00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:54,255
Speaker 4: the original manufacturer. Often if you open a sash, you'll

798
00:43:54,255 --> 00:43:57,575
Speaker 4: see a logo or a label on the inside of

799
00:43:57,575 --> 00:44:00,135
Speaker 4: the sash or in the inside of the jam that

800
00:44:00,215 --> 00:44:02,455
Speaker 4: will tell you who the original manufacturer is. You go

801
00:44:02,575 --> 00:44:05,655
Speaker 4: back there, you talk to them because they understand how

802
00:44:05,735 --> 00:44:08,135
Speaker 4: all of those various components go together and how they

803
00:44:08,215 --> 00:44:11,415
Speaker 4: should perform. So if there's a drainage hole, it's not working.

804
00:44:11,455 --> 00:44:13,735
Speaker 4: And it's pushing water back inside the building. They could

805
00:44:13,775 --> 00:44:16,535
Speaker 4: sort that out. Or if it is as Ron describes

806
00:44:16,575 --> 00:44:20,535
Speaker 4: a sump sill, then there may be ways of checking that,

807
00:44:20,815 --> 00:44:24,015
Speaker 4: or look, it might just be the case of having

808
00:44:24,055 --> 00:44:28,695
Speaker 4: to take the joinery out, address the issue, reinstate the joinery,

809
00:44:29,335 --> 00:44:31,775
Speaker 4: which is obviously a bit of a bigger job. RIGHTO.

810
00:44:31,895 --> 00:44:34,615
Speaker 4: Nine minutes after seven here at news Talk, se'd be

811
00:44:34,775 --> 00:44:38,255
Speaker 4: remember after act thirty this morning, we will be into

812
00:44:38,295 --> 00:44:41,975
Speaker 4: the garden with Red Clone past as always. Actually remind

813
00:44:41,975 --> 00:44:45,015
Speaker 4: me I must talk to him about ruru. Apparently it's

814
00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:47,095
Speaker 4: coming up to nesting season. So if you've ever thought

815
00:44:47,095 --> 00:44:50,895
Speaker 4: about making an owl box a Ruru box, you should

816
00:44:50,895 --> 00:44:54,775
Speaker 4: do that. I've built two of them to two different designs.

817
00:44:55,255 --> 00:44:58,135
Speaker 4: Turns out neither of them is particularly suitable for barn

818
00:44:58,135 --> 00:45:00,495
Speaker 4: how's but they will be okay for ruru anyway. I've

819
00:45:00,495 --> 00:45:03,055
Speaker 4: given them away. So now I've heard that in the

820
00:45:03,095 --> 00:45:05,775
Speaker 4: area that I live in there are increasing reports of

821
00:45:05,855 --> 00:45:10,215
Speaker 4: ruru being seen around or heard maybe, So now I'm thinking,

822
00:45:10,335 --> 00:45:11,855
Speaker 4: right next to them in the workhop, We're going to

823
00:45:11,855 --> 00:45:13,855
Speaker 4: make another al box. We're going to make another rural box,

824
00:45:13,855 --> 00:45:16,855
Speaker 4: and I'm going to use the plans from Wingspan, very

825
00:45:16,855 --> 00:45:20,015
Speaker 4: specific plans from Wingspan. I have a crack at that knowledge.

826
00:45:20,015 --> 00:45:21,495
Speaker 4: You know how I get on? Oh eight hundred and

827
00:45:21,495 --> 00:45:25,895
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call, right, Oh, Kate, Hello,

828
00:45:26,055 --> 00:45:26,695
Speaker 4: thanks for waiting.

829
00:45:27,815 --> 00:45:33,735
Speaker 9: Okay, the motion is so overwhelming that my little grievance

830
00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:35,095
Speaker 9: will probably make.

831
00:45:34,935 --> 00:45:38,735
Speaker 4: You laugh not at all to go for it because of.

832
00:45:38,655 --> 00:45:42,735
Speaker 9: The weather, and like, I'm an epsum and the weather's

833
00:45:42,855 --> 00:45:48,375
Speaker 9: being really, really poor. I've got a fireplace and I've

834
00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:52,975
Speaker 9: boarded it up. I've put bricks on you with a

835
00:45:52,975 --> 00:45:58,935
Speaker 9: big piece of wood or a sheet of whatever wood. Yes,

836
00:45:58,975 --> 00:46:01,735
Speaker 9: and I've put bricks at the bottom. But every time

837
00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:07,175
Speaker 9: the weather gets extremely windy or bad, the wood falls

838
00:46:07,175 --> 00:46:10,975
Speaker 9: out right and the air and the drug comes straight.

839
00:46:12,455 --> 00:46:12,775
Speaker 11: Yeah.

840
00:46:12,935 --> 00:46:19,655
Speaker 9: And I don't know who I thought about putting some

841
00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:25,215
Speaker 9: POxy around the stade of the frame and sticking it.

842
00:46:25,295 --> 00:46:25,935
Speaker 9: What do you think?

843
00:46:28,015 --> 00:46:30,975
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a particularly attractive solution, though, is it,

844
00:46:31,055 --> 00:46:32,735
Speaker 4: Because in the end, you know, it's it's in the

845
00:46:32,735 --> 00:46:35,055
Speaker 4: middle of the house. And I kind of understand where

846
00:46:35,055 --> 00:46:37,135
Speaker 4: you're coming from. So we have an old fireplace in

847
00:46:37,215 --> 00:46:39,775
Speaker 4: the front lounge at our place. It's an old house

848
00:46:39,815 --> 00:46:44,175
Speaker 4: as well. And you know, we use different types of

849
00:46:44,175 --> 00:46:46,495
Speaker 4: heating now, so I don't often use the open fire,

850
00:46:46,575 --> 00:46:48,895
Speaker 4: but of course the chimney still doing what the chimney does.

851
00:46:49,175 --> 00:46:52,055
Speaker 4: It sucks hot air out. So when I'm heating the

852
00:46:52,055 --> 00:46:56,415
Speaker 4: house and I've got an unused fireplace with a chimney,

853
00:46:56,455 --> 00:46:58,855
Speaker 4: it's just sucking the heat out, which is what it's

854
00:46:58,855 --> 00:47:01,015
Speaker 4: doing at your place. So for a long time I

855
00:47:01,095 --> 00:47:02,815
Speaker 4: used to just hold a little board up there as

856
00:47:02,855 --> 00:47:06,135
Speaker 4: well over the winter, and it probably did very little,

857
00:47:06,135 --> 00:47:07,975
Speaker 4: but it felt like I was doing the right thing.

858
00:47:08,495 --> 00:47:14,455
Speaker 4: What I ended up buying is a chimney balloon, right,

859
00:47:14,975 --> 00:47:17,895
Speaker 4: and I found it online. I think I ended up

860
00:47:18,015 --> 00:47:20,935
Speaker 4: ordering it from the UK, so it got sent out

861
00:47:21,375 --> 00:47:26,575
Speaker 4: and it's a kind of a durable almost like it. Sorry,

862
00:47:26,695 --> 00:47:28,375
Speaker 4: I had to ship it in. I don't know if

863
00:47:28,375 --> 00:47:31,295
Speaker 4: there's anyone tell you what it'd be a here's a

864
00:47:31,335 --> 00:47:33,695
Speaker 4: free tip for someone who wants to be a bit entrepreneurial.

865
00:47:34,055 --> 00:47:37,495
Speaker 4: Get into the businesses of importing these chimney balloons. So

866
00:47:37,535 --> 00:47:40,375
Speaker 4: what it is when you unpack it, it's like a

867
00:47:40,415 --> 00:47:42,575
Speaker 4: pillow slip, right, if you imagine the size of a

868
00:47:42,615 --> 00:47:44,655
Speaker 4: pillow slip, and it's got a nozzle on it with

869
00:47:44,735 --> 00:47:46,895
Speaker 4: a valve that you can turn on and off. So

870
00:47:46,975 --> 00:47:49,975
Speaker 4: what you do is you I partially inflated it, put

871
00:47:49,975 --> 00:47:53,895
Speaker 4: it inside the chimney, so in through the fireplace opening

872
00:47:54,295 --> 00:47:56,975
Speaker 4: just above. There's always a bit of a lip at

873
00:47:57,015 --> 00:47:58,935
Speaker 4: the back of it that helps the fire draw, so

874
00:47:58,975 --> 00:48:01,895
Speaker 4: you just push it slightly above there, and then I

875
00:48:01,895 --> 00:48:04,455
Speaker 4: actually used the little portable inflator and I pumped it

876
00:48:04,535 --> 00:48:07,295
Speaker 4: up until I felt that it was real reasonably firm,

877
00:48:07,655 --> 00:48:11,015
Speaker 4: and it seals all of the gaps around the chimney right.

878
00:48:11,615 --> 00:48:14,975
Speaker 4: So now from the outside it doesn't look any different,

879
00:48:15,055 --> 00:48:18,015
Speaker 4: so it still looks like an open fire, but it's

880
00:48:18,175 --> 00:48:21,015
Speaker 4: effectively sealed. I guess the only thing you have to

881
00:48:21,015 --> 00:48:23,695
Speaker 4: remember is if you ever wanted to have a fire,

882
00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:25,695
Speaker 4: you've got to remember to take the fire the chimney

883
00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:28,575
Speaker 4: balloon out, So that might be an option for you.

884
00:48:28,815 --> 00:48:32,735
Speaker 4: The other more longer term fix would be possibly to

885
00:48:32,775 --> 00:48:34,775
Speaker 4: get a roof to come and actually make you a

886
00:48:34,855 --> 00:48:37,175
Speaker 4: cap for the top of the chimney and actually seal

887
00:48:37,255 --> 00:48:41,015
Speaker 4: the chimney off at the top. But yeah, they are

888
00:48:41,055 --> 00:48:43,215
Speaker 4: a bit of an issue because lots of houses still

889
00:48:43,215 --> 00:48:47,335
Speaker 4: have chimneys and in wintertime, all they're doing is robbing

890
00:48:47,375 --> 00:48:50,575
Speaker 4: you of the heat that you've spent money to create.

891
00:48:52,615 --> 00:48:54,095
Speaker 9: And it's just one other thing.

892
00:48:54,215 --> 00:48:54,615
Speaker 18: I have.

893
00:48:57,855 --> 00:49:02,815
Speaker 9: A satellite on my roof and it's broken, so I

894
00:49:02,855 --> 00:49:08,615
Speaker 9: don't even need satellite, you know, at all. But would

895
00:49:08,655 --> 00:49:10,495
Speaker 9: I get someone to take that down?

896
00:49:12,015 --> 00:49:15,015
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's not like causing a problem, you

897
00:49:15,055 --> 00:49:17,735
Speaker 4: don't have to take it down, But typically they just

898
00:49:17,815 --> 00:49:21,295
Speaker 4: take screwed through the roofing material, hopefully into a perlin.

899
00:49:22,135 --> 00:49:24,415
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely no, get someone to take it down.

900
00:49:24,455 --> 00:49:26,175
Speaker 4: But then, of course you've got a hole in your roof.

901
00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:30,175
Speaker 4: So whoever takes it down needs well because the bracket

902
00:49:30,215 --> 00:49:32,895
Speaker 4: is screwed through into the peerlins, right, so screwed through

903
00:49:32,935 --> 00:49:35,375
Speaker 4: the islands of the peerlin. So when you take those out,

904
00:49:35,455 --> 00:49:38,615
Speaker 4: either put the screw back in the hole because it

905
00:49:38,655 --> 00:49:41,135
Speaker 4: should have a little neoprene washer in it so that'll

906
00:49:41,175 --> 00:49:44,655
Speaker 4: seal itself. Or that's probably actually the best solution, take

907
00:49:44,695 --> 00:49:46,575
Speaker 4: the bracket off, put the screw back and make sure

908
00:49:46,615 --> 00:49:48,975
Speaker 4: it's got a washer around it. Or if you don't

909
00:49:49,015 --> 00:49:50,495
Speaker 4: want to see the screw there, you can take it

910
00:49:50,535 --> 00:49:52,575
Speaker 4: out and apply some sealent. But I actually think the

911
00:49:52,575 --> 00:49:54,895
Speaker 4: better option is just leave the screw in place. But

912
00:49:54,975 --> 00:49:55,935
Speaker 4: just take the bracket away.

913
00:49:56,255 --> 00:49:59,375
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's really nice advice.

914
00:49:59,415 --> 00:50:01,455
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, No trouble at all. All the

915
00:50:01,535 --> 00:50:04,535
Speaker 4: very best to you. Take care see O Cake. By then,

916
00:50:05,015 --> 00:50:09,015
Speaker 4: I'm just looking online. I don't know if there's another solution.

917
00:50:09,095 --> 00:50:11,855
Speaker 4: Maybe there is, but chimney balloon dot co dot uk

918
00:50:12,215 --> 00:50:15,335
Speaker 4: is I'm pretty sure that's where I got mine. And

919
00:50:15,495 --> 00:50:20,095
Speaker 4: I to be really embarrassingly true, I think I bought

920
00:50:20,135 --> 00:50:21,855
Speaker 4: it like a year ago, but I only installed it

921
00:50:21,935 --> 00:50:23,935
Speaker 4: a couple of months ago when the weather got cold,

922
00:50:24,015 --> 00:50:26,175
Speaker 4: and it took a couple of minutes to do. And

923
00:50:26,215 --> 00:50:29,055
Speaker 4: it's in there and it seems to be working. So

924
00:50:29,135 --> 00:50:30,895
Speaker 4: chimney balloon. If you've got an old chimney that you're

925
00:50:30,895 --> 00:50:33,735
Speaker 4: not using, an open flyer that you're not using, and

926
00:50:33,775 --> 00:50:35,935
Speaker 4: you are heating your house, then you're just losing all

927
00:50:35,975 --> 00:50:37,815
Speaker 4: of that heat through the chimney. So block it off

928
00:50:37,855 --> 00:50:41,015
Speaker 4: by putting in a chimney balloon. If there's a local source,

929
00:50:41,415 --> 00:50:45,215
Speaker 4: please let me know. But hey, it worked, and I

930
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:48,615
Speaker 4: quite like solutions that work. It is coming up sixteen

931
00:50:48,655 --> 00:50:52,415
Speaker 4: minutes after seven. I do want to make a comment

932
00:50:52,495 --> 00:50:58,775
Speaker 4: in a moment which is a fairly technical and a

933
00:50:58,815 --> 00:51:04,455
Speaker 4: little bit long, winded, but I think quite important about

934
00:51:05,375 --> 00:51:10,975
Speaker 4: the online calculator for the Healthy homes heating requirements, particularly

935
00:51:11,015 --> 00:51:14,895
Speaker 4: when it comes to applying that to apartments. We'll do

936
00:51:14,975 --> 00:51:20,735
Speaker 4: that shortly, but first up, Jared, Greetings.

937
00:51:18,695 --> 00:51:20,815
Speaker 16: Good morning, Mike. How are you, Pete?

938
00:51:20,895 --> 00:51:22,295
Speaker 4: And I'm very well, thank you.

939
00:51:23,535 --> 00:51:24,015
Speaker 16: That's good.

940
00:51:24,175 --> 00:51:25,975
Speaker 5: Got the name wrong, that's quite right.

941
00:51:26,215 --> 00:51:32,175
Speaker 16: I've got color steel spouting on a twelve thirteen year

942
00:51:32,215 --> 00:51:39,375
Speaker 16: old house, and it's corroding and places on the inside

943
00:51:39,375 --> 00:51:43,535
Speaker 16: of the spouting where I presume I've used cut off

944
00:51:43,575 --> 00:51:48,375
Speaker 16: saws to cut the roofing to link and the firelings

945
00:51:48,375 --> 00:51:53,015
Speaker 16: have been left there and cause some areas of the

946
00:51:53,055 --> 00:51:57,455
Speaker 16: internal spouting to us just we spots and bubbles. And

947
00:51:57,495 --> 00:52:01,095
Speaker 16: I was wondering if you had anything in this solution

948
00:52:01,175 --> 00:52:02,735
Speaker 16: of mind would be the best.

949
00:52:03,215 --> 00:52:06,295
Speaker 4: Has the corrosion gone all the way through so obviously

950
00:52:06,375 --> 00:52:08,215
Speaker 4: from the underside you can see it, or is it

951
00:52:08,335 --> 00:52:10,255
Speaker 4: just visible inside the spouting?

952
00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:11,815
Speaker 16: Just visible?

953
00:52:12,695 --> 00:52:17,455
Speaker 4: Okay? All right, it's reasonably okay to get up there,

954
00:52:17,815 --> 00:52:19,735
Speaker 4: like you can be up there for half an hour

955
00:52:19,735 --> 00:52:22,855
Speaker 4: trying to fix it. Or is it a bit precarious?

956
00:52:23,415 --> 00:52:26,375
Speaker 14: Okay, get up on a ladder whatever, all.

957
00:52:26,415 --> 00:52:30,455
Speaker 4: Right, and it's extensive or just in some spots.

958
00:52:32,295 --> 00:52:37,015
Speaker 14: It's really the extensive. Actually it's more so on some

959
00:52:37,055 --> 00:52:40,175
Speaker 14: spots than other. I suppose it would extend for about

960
00:52:40,175 --> 00:52:42,135
Speaker 14: two meters I suppose in some areas.

961
00:52:42,655 --> 00:52:48,295
Speaker 4: Ah okay, right, yeah, Well, I guess the first thing

962
00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:50,215
Speaker 4: to do is to treat the rust, which you know,

963
00:52:50,255 --> 00:52:52,335
Speaker 4: if you can get in there with the wirebrush, remove

964
00:52:52,535 --> 00:52:55,815
Speaker 4: most of it, and then probably use like a rust

965
00:52:55,855 --> 00:52:59,735
Speaker 4: converter that will then neutralize the rust. And then you've

966
00:52:59,735 --> 00:53:02,255
Speaker 4: got a couple of options. One would be to apply

967
00:53:02,495 --> 00:53:06,295
Speaker 4: some rust kill primers, and there's a bunch of those

968
00:53:06,455 --> 00:53:09,695
Speaker 4: around there, and then just paint the inside of it.

969
00:53:09,855 --> 00:53:13,615
Speaker 4: The other option would be actually, it's a product we're

970
00:53:13,615 --> 00:53:15,935
Speaker 4: going to be talking about shortly that I used on

971
00:53:15,975 --> 00:53:19,815
Speaker 4: a little flat roof, which is a waterproof coating. It's

972
00:53:19,575 --> 00:53:24,015
Speaker 4: a silicon membrane flexible membrane that you can apply called

973
00:53:24,255 --> 00:53:30,375
Speaker 4: juris in juris so E N d U r I S,

974
00:53:32,615 --> 00:53:36,055
Speaker 4: which you could apply to the inside and it will

975
00:53:36,535 --> 00:53:38,935
Speaker 4: you know, it'll cover any small holes and it will

976
00:53:38,975 --> 00:53:41,535
Speaker 4: just give you it'll extend the life considerably, I would

977
00:53:41,575 --> 00:53:45,575
Speaker 4: imagine if that's spouting. So treat the rust primate and

978
00:53:45,615 --> 00:53:48,735
Speaker 4: then coat with either with a paint if you wanted to,

979
00:53:48,975 --> 00:53:50,695
Speaker 4: or with something like the silicon coating.

980
00:53:50,735 --> 00:53:55,775
Speaker 16: This indurious, okay, that it could be worth a try.

981
00:53:56,095 --> 00:54:00,255
Speaker 14: As I say, nothing has comes through underneath that.

982
00:54:00,295 --> 00:54:02,815
Speaker 16: You can just see these nige you're sitting on top

983
00:54:02,855 --> 00:54:05,535
Speaker 16: of the internal.

984
00:54:05,415 --> 00:54:11,095
Speaker 14: Right through the paint what it called pre painted color steel.

985
00:54:11,175 --> 00:54:13,615
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, so on that sort of that primer coat

986
00:54:13,655 --> 00:54:15,615
Speaker 4: that's on the inside, you'll see the rust starting to

987
00:54:15,695 --> 00:54:18,535
Speaker 4: sit there. Frustrating though, isn't it when you think you know,

988
00:54:18,575 --> 00:54:23,255
Speaker 4: it doesn't like it's a real I I'd be really

989
00:54:23,335 --> 00:54:26,775
Speaker 4: disappointed in the original contractor if they used hot cutting

990
00:54:26,935 --> 00:54:33,575
Speaker 4: on any type of pre coated steel, because that's a

991
00:54:33,615 --> 00:54:33,895
Speaker 4: no no.

992
00:54:34,095 --> 00:54:34,335
Speaker 10: Right.

993
00:54:34,495 --> 00:54:37,095
Speaker 4: Doing that is a is a no no. And it's

994
00:54:37,175 --> 00:54:42,575
Speaker 4: amazing how far those sparks effectively go if you're using

995
00:54:42,615 --> 00:54:47,935
Speaker 4: a grinder to cut metal outside. I've made and I

996
00:54:47,975 --> 00:54:50,615
Speaker 4: know this from my own harsh experience, I've made some

997
00:54:50,735 --> 00:54:53,255
Speaker 4: stupid mistakes over the years where I've thought I'll just

998
00:54:53,935 --> 00:54:56,375
Speaker 4: get the old cutoff blade in the grinder and hack

999
00:54:56,455 --> 00:54:58,815
Speaker 4: that off, and then I've you know, a couple of

1000
00:54:58,815 --> 00:55:01,655
Speaker 4: weeks later, suddenly there's rought spots all over the place.

1001
00:55:01,655 --> 00:55:04,815
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, that was me, your muppet. So

1002
00:55:04,855 --> 00:55:08,335
Speaker 4: hopefully I've learned my lesson. Had years ago we did

1003
00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:10,215
Speaker 4: a job where we had to cut a handrail down

1004
00:55:10,535 --> 00:55:15,055
Speaker 4: and the boys used a grinder with a cutoff blade

1005
00:55:15,055 --> 00:55:18,175
Speaker 4: to cut through the handrail, but the sparks ended up

1006
00:55:18,175 --> 00:55:22,415
Speaker 4: going against the glass of a big sliding door and embedding.

1007
00:55:22,615 --> 00:55:26,335
Speaker 4: The hot sparks ended up embedding on the surface of

1008
00:55:26,375 --> 00:55:29,175
Speaker 4: the glass and when I found I saw it the

1009
00:55:29,215 --> 00:55:33,495
Speaker 4: next day and I'm like, oh you. Thankfully we're actually

1010
00:55:33,495 --> 00:55:36,655
Speaker 4: able to get those nervous guys who do the windscreen repairs.

1011
00:55:36,975 --> 00:55:39,655
Speaker 4: They came and ground the surface of the glass back

1012
00:55:39,775 --> 00:55:41,815
Speaker 4: and got rid of the sparks, but it was still

1013
00:55:42,135 --> 00:55:44,535
Speaker 4: terribly embarrassing. I have to say, there you go. It's

1014
00:55:44,535 --> 00:55:48,095
Speaker 4: all out in the open now. Yeah, it does happen.

1015
00:55:49,415 --> 00:55:53,255
Speaker 14: There was just one other the silicon they used on

1016
00:55:53,295 --> 00:55:58,015
Speaker 14: the joints. Yes, I think what has happened that the

1017
00:55:58,055 --> 00:56:00,815
Speaker 14: previous owners had never cleaned the spouting out and there's

1018
00:56:00,815 --> 00:56:05,335
Speaker 14: been an accumulation of silk and it seems to have

1019
00:56:05,375 --> 00:56:09,655
Speaker 14: lifted the silk and on the joint and about the

1020
00:56:09,895 --> 00:56:14,455
Speaker 14: leaking on the corners right, because the silicon has absolutely had,

1021
00:56:14,615 --> 00:56:16,855
Speaker 14: and I just wondered what would be the best way

1022
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:21,335
Speaker 14: of going about fixing that or replacing that silicon somehow?

1023
00:56:22,295 --> 00:56:24,295
Speaker 4: Look to be fair if if like, if you're going

1024
00:56:24,375 --> 00:56:26,655
Speaker 4: to use that Injurius coating, you could apply that through

1025
00:56:26,655 --> 00:56:30,295
Speaker 4: the corner and it's sort out the corner as well,

1026
00:56:29,895 --> 00:56:33,535
Speaker 4: right over the top of over the top of the

1027
00:56:33,575 --> 00:56:40,135
Speaker 4: existing silicon. It wouldn't matter, right, Yeah, So check it

1028
00:56:40,175 --> 00:56:46,015
Speaker 4: out online. All the best, Thank you, take care. I

1029
00:56:46,095 --> 00:56:49,295
Speaker 4: think the work to do, and look, it's that thing

1030
00:56:49,335 --> 00:56:50,895
Speaker 4: of being up on the ladder. I've got one job

1031
00:56:50,935 --> 00:56:53,495
Speaker 4: to do this week, which is sort of trying to

1032
00:56:53,535 --> 00:56:56,015
Speaker 4: address an issue with some windows on the second floor,

1033
00:56:57,575 --> 00:57:00,415
Speaker 4: and I need to get a letter. I tell you,

1034
00:57:00,575 --> 00:57:03,735
Speaker 4: he's can I ask your advice if anyone knows where

1035
00:57:03,775 --> 00:57:07,615
Speaker 4: I can get those safety steps not safety step, they're

1036
00:57:07,655 --> 00:57:09,175
Speaker 4: like a mat that you put on the ground to

1037
00:57:09,215 --> 00:57:13,975
Speaker 4: stop your extension ladder slipping away at the bottom. If

1038
00:57:14,015 --> 00:57:16,255
Speaker 4: there's somewhere that you know where you can get them

1039
00:57:16,255 --> 00:57:18,615
Speaker 4: at a reasonable price, let me know, because I want

1040
00:57:18,655 --> 00:57:21,255
Speaker 4: to buy one of those. I'm just thinking about being

1041
00:57:21,335 --> 00:57:23,095
Speaker 4: up there on the top of the extension ladder. I'll

1042
00:57:23,095 --> 00:57:26,855
Speaker 4: probably be about three meters in the air, leaning against

1043
00:57:26,855 --> 00:57:30,615
Speaker 4: the house. And it happened to me once climbing onto

1044
00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:33,175
Speaker 4: a roof where I had set up the extension ladder,

1045
00:57:34,295 --> 00:57:36,855
Speaker 4: was climbing up. It was sitting on the deck. The

1046
00:57:36,935 --> 00:57:39,975
Speaker 4: deck was wet and the bottom of the ladder slipped

1047
00:57:40,015 --> 00:57:43,135
Speaker 4: out and I went straight down. I'm just I don't

1048
00:57:43,135 --> 00:57:45,135
Speaker 4: want that to happen again. So if you know where

1049
00:57:45,175 --> 00:57:46,775
Speaker 4: I can get one of those, let me know please. Oh,

1050
00:57:46,815 --> 00:57:48,935
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1051
00:57:48,975 --> 00:57:51,095
Speaker 4: It is twenty two minutes after seven, so it's two

1052
00:57:51,175 --> 00:57:53,735
Speaker 4: way conversation. You can help me out as well. Eight

1053
00:57:53,855 --> 00:57:56,015
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If

1054
00:57:56,095 --> 00:57:58,735
Speaker 4: you've got a building question, call us right now.

1055
00:57:59,375 --> 00:58:03,255
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

1056
00:58:03,295 --> 00:58:06,655
Speaker 1: Filder with Peter WOLFCAF call oh eight hundred and eighty

1057
00:58:07,015 --> 00:58:07,775
Speaker 1: talk ZV.

1058
00:58:09,375 --> 00:58:11,695
Speaker 4: You and you talk CB. Someone's just text and rust.

1059
00:58:11,735 --> 00:58:14,255
Speaker 4: Spots in the gutter likely aren't from the cutting. Yeah,

1060
00:58:14,295 --> 00:58:16,375
Speaker 4: I think it's unlikely too. They'll be from the screws

1061
00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,615
Speaker 4: that the installation. The screw has drilled like tip that

1062
00:58:18,695 --> 00:58:22,135
Speaker 4: makes its own hole, which leaves the cutting behind the swarf.

1063
00:58:22,815 --> 00:58:24,735
Speaker 4: General procedure is to use a blower at the end

1064
00:58:24,775 --> 00:58:26,255
Speaker 4: of the day to get it off the roof. Is

1065
00:58:26,855 --> 00:58:30,815
Speaker 4: one night of jew is enough to cause those rust spots. Unfortunately,

1066
00:58:30,895 --> 00:58:33,975
Speaker 4: contracts of contractors often leave it there. It's not uncommon,

1067
00:58:34,055 --> 00:58:36,775
Speaker 4: especially as more builders hang the gutters before the roofing.

1068
00:58:37,375 --> 00:58:41,535
Speaker 4: That's often the case now the sort of external facure

1069
00:58:41,535 --> 00:58:44,175
Speaker 4: and the spouting goes up and then the roofing goes on.

1070
00:58:44,255 --> 00:58:48,295
Speaker 4: So if there's any swarf on the roof from drilling

1071
00:58:48,335 --> 00:58:51,255
Speaker 4: through your fixings, that tends to end up in the gutter.

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00:58:51,655 --> 00:58:53,775
Speaker 4: And then while they might blow it down from the roof,

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00:58:54,215 --> 00:58:57,455
Speaker 4: maybe not that many roofs then go through and make

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00:58:57,495 --> 00:59:00,215
Speaker 4: sure that they've cleaned out the spouting to ensure that

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00:59:00,215 --> 00:59:03,975
Speaker 4: that swarf doesn't sit there causing rust. Thanks very much

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00:59:04,015 --> 00:59:05,255
Speaker 4: for that, Chris, much appreciate it.

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00:59:07,095 --> 00:59:07,815
Speaker 18: I do want to make.

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00:59:07,735 --> 00:59:12,175
Speaker 4: Sure I talk about this Healthy homes Heating Assessment tool

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00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:16,575
Speaker 4: online in my recent experience with it. I'll try and

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Speaker 4: do that shortly. Christine, Hello there, Hello, Hi Peter, I

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00:59:23,055 --> 00:59:26,735
Speaker 4: haven't called you before. Well, I'm delighted you have, thank

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00:59:26,775 --> 00:59:27,415
Speaker 4: you and welcome.

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00:59:28,935 --> 00:59:29,335
Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 11: I'm just wondering your thoughts on putting in dvs.

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00:59:38,655 --> 00:59:39,455
Speaker 19: Into your home.

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00:59:39,815 --> 00:59:44,895
Speaker 11: Yep, well, I guess it versus the other one?

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00:59:44,975 --> 00:59:45,495
Speaker 9: What is it?

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00:59:45,775 --> 00:59:49,695
Speaker 4: H is the other common brand that you're probably thinking of?

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00:59:51,695 --> 00:59:55,015
Speaker 4: Can Can I sort of widen the discussion a little bit, right,

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00:59:55,655 --> 01:00:00,015
Speaker 4: So rather than speak specifically about either of those two brands,

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01:00:00,655 --> 01:00:06,175
Speaker 4: there's a growing awareness of that one of the one

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01:00:06,175 --> 01:00:08,655
Speaker 4: of the areas where our houses fail is that we

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01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:12,935
Speaker 4: don't do adequate ventilation. And I know sometimes that discussion

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01:00:13,015 --> 01:00:15,535
Speaker 4: often becomes will just open a window, but for a

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01:00:15,535 --> 01:00:18,655
Speaker 4: lot of different reasons, people may not want to do that.

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01:00:18,975 --> 01:00:22,135
Speaker 4: Or you know, if it's cold and windy, then you

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01:00:22,175 --> 01:00:23,815
Speaker 4: don't want to open a window because you're going to

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01:00:23,935 --> 01:00:27,175
Speaker 4: let all of that inside. Right, So let's get rid

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01:00:27,215 --> 01:00:29,815
Speaker 4: of the excuses for not doing ventilation and look at

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01:00:29,815 --> 01:00:34,975
Speaker 4: the fact that ventilation, proper mechanical ventilation, well designed and

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01:00:35,015 --> 01:00:38,575
Speaker 4: well installed, is a benefit to almost every house.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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01:00:40,055 --> 01:00:42,415
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean that you don't open the doors and windows

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01:00:42,655 --> 01:00:46,135
Speaker 4: when you can, but it allows for ventilation to happen

1105
01:00:46,135 --> 01:00:49,415
Speaker 4: when those things can't happen. So I think you've got

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01:00:49,455 --> 01:00:55,415
Speaker 4: to look at what's really effective about ventilation, Drawing air

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01:00:55,535 --> 01:00:59,575
Speaker 4: from outside and ideally passing it over a heat exchanger

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01:01:00,375 --> 01:01:03,535
Speaker 4: and then pushing it into the dry areas of the

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Speaker 4: house and having a system that also extracts from what

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01:01:06,775 --> 01:01:09,415
Speaker 4: we might call the moist areas or the wet areas

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01:01:09,415 --> 01:01:15,495
Speaker 4: of the house kitchens, laundries, bathrooms is probably the best system.

1112
01:01:15,895 --> 01:01:18,055
Speaker 4: So I think if you're going to engage with a

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01:01:18,095 --> 01:01:20,895
Speaker 4: contractor about that, you want to make sure that you're

1114
01:01:20,935 --> 01:01:24,055
Speaker 4: getting independent advice, and you want to make sure that

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01:01:24,095 --> 01:01:28,735
Speaker 4: they've got a really good knowledge of where where the

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01:01:28,815 --> 01:01:31,695
Speaker 4: ventilation system will be most how it's going to be

1117
01:01:31,895 --> 01:01:36,975
Speaker 4: installed to give you the greatest benefit. And I think

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01:01:37,455 --> 01:01:39,575
Speaker 4: you probably are thinking, well, if I put one of

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01:01:39,575 --> 01:01:44,695
Speaker 4: these systems in, it'll make it warmer. I've never really

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Speaker 4: thought that they are tremendously effective in terms of actually

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01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:52,295
Speaker 4: creating warmth. But where they are effective is because they

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01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:56,175
Speaker 4: help reduce the moisture content inside the house. The house

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Speaker 4: is able. You know, warming dry air is easier than

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01:02:01,095 --> 01:02:04,495
Speaker 4: warming moist air. So if you've got air that's heavy

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01:02:04,535 --> 01:02:07,735
Speaker 4: with moisture inside your house, that's going to be harder

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01:02:07,775 --> 01:02:10,975
Speaker 4: to heat. And the way that you can move that

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Speaker 4: around and extract that is by having a really effective

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Speaker 4: ventilation system. So and like there's a lot of discussion

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Speaker 4: at the moment about installing continuous flow extraction, let's say

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Speaker 4: in bathrooms and so on. So rather than having an

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01:02:26,895 --> 01:02:30,335
Speaker 4: extraction fan that you turn on and it runs for

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Speaker 4: a period of time and then typically we turn it off,

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01:02:33,135 --> 01:02:36,935
Speaker 4: they are systems that will monitor the amount of moisture

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01:02:36,975 --> 01:02:40,495
Speaker 4: detected the humidity in the room, for example, and then

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01:02:40,535 --> 01:02:42,975
Speaker 4: they will ramp up when that you know, when you

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01:02:42,975 --> 01:02:45,655
Speaker 4: hop into the shower and you're generating lots of moist

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01:02:45,655 --> 01:02:48,175
Speaker 4: air and then but they will continue to run at

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01:02:48,175 --> 01:02:52,255
Speaker 4: a lower level all through the day, and that helps

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01:02:52,375 --> 01:02:54,895
Speaker 4: create a situation where if you know, imagine if you've

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01:02:54,895 --> 01:02:58,935
Speaker 4: got a little extractor in the bathroom that is running constantly,

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01:02:59,855 --> 01:03:02,295
Speaker 4: what it's doing is drawing air from the rest of

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01:03:02,295 --> 01:03:05,535
Speaker 4: the house and expelling it all through the day, and

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01:03:05,575 --> 01:03:09,535
Speaker 4: that that increases ventilation and inevitably you'll have air sort

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01:03:09,535 --> 01:03:12,575
Speaker 4: of filtering into the house through gaps and cracks. Ideally

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01:03:12,695 --> 01:03:14,575
Speaker 4: we want to control that. But even if we're not

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01:03:14,615 --> 01:03:18,335
Speaker 4: controlling it, but we're extracting it continuously, that's a benefit.

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01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:22,255
Speaker 4: So it is like, I know people that this is

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01:03:22,295 --> 01:03:26,415
Speaker 4: their life's work, right talking about ventilation, extraction, air quality.

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01:03:26,895 --> 01:03:29,655
Speaker 4: So let's let's not try and make it a simple

1150
01:03:29,695 --> 01:03:35,335
Speaker 4: solution when it is both simple and very very complex

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01:03:35,375 --> 01:03:37,455
Speaker 4: at the same time. So I'd encourage you to do

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01:03:37,535 --> 01:03:39,695
Speaker 4: lots and lots of reading and research before you make

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Speaker 4: a decision.

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01:03:41,255 --> 01:03:41,695
Speaker 9: All right, I.

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Speaker 11: Have. I have done some reading, and I am perplexed

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01:03:47,255 --> 01:03:50,735
Speaker 11: about the whole thing. Sure, sorry, but I'm a free

1157
01:03:51,055 --> 01:03:53,735
Speaker 11: you know. I love the windows open when I can.

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01:03:55,215 --> 01:04:01,815
Speaker 11: I've had double closed the whole place as well, and

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01:04:02,255 --> 01:04:08,935
Speaker 11: just about to put some more insulation. So I guess

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01:04:09,415 --> 01:04:13,055
Speaker 11: going down that pathway might be best while I'm reading

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01:04:13,095 --> 01:04:14,775
Speaker 11: about the other one.

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Speaker 4: I tell you what you know, because one of these

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Speaker 4: things with doing some research and some reading is you've

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01:04:21,735 --> 01:04:23,775
Speaker 4: got to make sure you're reading the right stuff, right.

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01:04:24,935 --> 01:04:29,695
Speaker 4: So I've just done a quick search just out of curiosity,

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01:04:29,695 --> 01:04:32,135
Speaker 4: because you know, if you want some really good information,

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01:04:32,255 --> 01:04:34,935
Speaker 4: go to reputable sources. So I would suggest that you

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Speaker 4: have a look at the brand's website. That's b r

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Speaker 4: A n Z so, the Building Research Authority of New Zealand.

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01:04:42,975 --> 01:04:46,375
Speaker 4: They have got a whole lot of information about ventilation

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Speaker 4: on their website and it's really really good information. Okay,

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Speaker 4: have a look there and good luck.

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Speaker 6: But do you go ahead with it.

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Speaker 4: Don't don't let me put you off by trying to

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01:04:58,135 --> 01:05:02,295
Speaker 4: make it sound complicated. Get some really good ventilation and

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01:05:03,135 --> 01:05:06,135
Speaker 4: it would be great. But yeah, you've got to talk

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01:05:06,135 --> 01:05:08,295
Speaker 4: to the right person and they've got to know what

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Speaker 4: they're talking about, not just selling you a system for

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01:05:10,655 --> 01:05:14,095
Speaker 4: the hell of it. All right, ye, lovely to talk

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01:05:14,095 --> 01:05:16,495
Speaker 4: to you. Thank you very much for calling you all

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01:05:16,535 --> 01:05:20,495
Speaker 4: the very best, take care loving those conversations. Oh eight

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01:05:20,615 --> 01:05:23,775
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:05:23,855 --> 01:05:27,455
Speaker 1: Matter twice God was but maybe called Pete first for

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01:05:27,615 --> 01:05:31,495
Speaker 1: your walk care. The resident builder news Talk said, be your.

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01:05:31,335 --> 01:05:34,415
Speaker 4: News talks hed b and let me see six thirty

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01:05:34,735 --> 01:05:37,295
Speaker 4: seven thirty six pardon me here at Newstalks the b

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Speaker 4: Allen good morning.

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01:05:38,975 --> 01:05:40,415
Speaker 7: Good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Goodness?

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Speaker 7: What's up, Nasal. I've got a wheelchair ram now to

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01:05:48,575 --> 01:05:55,135
Speaker 7: say something about that DHD later on. I've got a

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01:05:55,175 --> 01:06:00,735
Speaker 7: wheelchair ram. And when you walk up and down, if

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01:06:00,775 --> 01:06:07,015
Speaker 7: you're not in the wheelchair, it's gets slippery. Yep, because

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01:06:07,295 --> 01:06:14,335
Speaker 7: it's under one roof on my back carboard. It is

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01:06:14,455 --> 01:06:18,135
Speaker 7: on the roof is on a possibly a sixth degree angle,

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01:06:19,375 --> 01:06:24,135
Speaker 7: and the house roof there's a bathroom, there's there's possibly

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01:06:24,175 --> 01:06:30,375
Speaker 7: about thirty thirty degrees, which leaves a gap getting from

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01:06:30,415 --> 01:06:35,015
Speaker 7: nothing down to quite a bit of fot say, but

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01:06:35,415 --> 01:06:39,455
Speaker 7: there again the rain comes in where you walk down

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01:06:39,535 --> 01:06:44,015
Speaker 7: the side out the back of a bathroom too. What

1201
01:06:44,055 --> 01:06:44,935
Speaker 7: can I do with it?

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01:06:45,295 --> 01:06:46,735
Speaker 4: What's the REMP made out of.

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01:06:48,175 --> 01:06:48,615
Speaker 18: Timber?

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01:06:48,855 --> 01:06:52,735
Speaker 4: Timber and so timber framing with timber decking on top of.

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01:06:52,735 --> 01:06:57,175
Speaker 7: It four to one tip. Yeah, there's fourber ones and

1206
01:06:57,815 --> 01:07:01,815
Speaker 7: there's little slots in between. There's a gap between each board.

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01:07:01,855 --> 01:07:02,815
Speaker 17: Two yes.

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01:07:03,855 --> 01:07:07,015
Speaker 4: And so they've used what they call a grip treade decking,

1209
01:07:07,135 --> 01:07:10,415
Speaker 4: and they've done the grooved side up, which is kind

1210
01:07:10,415 --> 01:07:11,735
Speaker 4: of all of the right thing to do.

1211
01:07:11,855 --> 01:07:20,415
Speaker 20: But it's just ordinary form rough storm four one.

1212
01:07:21,375 --> 01:07:33,095
Speaker 7: Yeah, tantalized danalized, Yeah, rough sor yeah, it's just rough.

1213
01:07:34,055 --> 01:07:36,575
Speaker 7: But as great as you walking onland all the time,

1214
01:07:36,615 --> 01:07:37,415
Speaker 7: it's getting smooth.

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01:07:37,735 --> 01:07:39,735
Speaker 4: I was going to say, did did you have this

1216
01:07:39,855 --> 01:07:42,255
Speaker 4: built for you or did someone come and build it

1217
01:07:42,295 --> 01:07:43,855
Speaker 4: for you? Or was it there when you moved in?

1218
01:07:44,575 --> 01:07:49,815
Speaker 7: I had to come in, but I helped helped him.

1219
01:07:51,095 --> 01:07:55,255
Speaker 4: To be fair, I wouldn't be very happy with him,

1220
01:07:55,615 --> 01:07:58,495
Speaker 4: you know, I mean doing using some rough storm. Timber

1221
01:07:59,095 --> 01:08:05,935
Speaker 4: is decking on an accessibility ramp is pretty poor. Did

1222
01:08:06,015 --> 01:08:09,375
Speaker 4: did they get any funding like through acc or anything

1223
01:08:09,415 --> 01:08:10,695
Speaker 4: like that for the work that they did?

1224
01:08:11,215 --> 01:08:14,615
Speaker 7: I think them hospital why come to something some arrangement.

1225
01:08:14,695 --> 01:08:19,295
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a bit of a waste of money. Okay, Look,

1226
01:08:19,135 --> 01:08:23,375
Speaker 4: the most straightforward solution is going to be something along

1227
01:08:23,455 --> 01:08:27,255
Speaker 4: the lines of plastic mesh that you'll staple down over

1228
01:08:27,295 --> 01:08:30,935
Speaker 4: the top, right you see it. Lots of sort of

1229
01:08:30,935 --> 01:08:35,175
Speaker 4: boardwalks and our you know, public forests and public spaces

1230
01:08:35,215 --> 01:08:38,495
Speaker 4: sometimes will have that on it. And essentially it's just

1231
01:08:38,575 --> 01:08:42,975
Speaker 4: a way of creating a slip resistant surface to an

1232
01:08:43,015 --> 01:08:48,575
Speaker 4: existing timber surface. So you know, stainless steel, horseshoe nails,

1233
01:08:48,615 --> 01:08:53,295
Speaker 4: stainless steel staples to fix it down. Mesh, the right

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01:08:53,415 --> 01:08:56,135
Speaker 4: type of mesh, the right durability and so on, so

1235
01:08:56,175 --> 01:08:59,535
Speaker 4: it can't be too lightweight, and just fix that down

1236
01:08:59,575 --> 01:09:02,175
Speaker 4: over the top would be the most straightforward fixed. But

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01:09:03,655 --> 01:09:05,895
Speaker 4: I have to say that's it. You know, it sounds

1238
01:09:05,895 --> 01:09:09,095
Speaker 4: like it's disappointing bit of work to be blunted.

1239
01:09:10,095 --> 01:09:11,815
Speaker 7: All right, Can I make a suggestion?

1240
01:09:12,255 --> 01:09:12,775
Speaker 4: Go for it?

1241
01:09:14,975 --> 01:09:16,095
Speaker 7: I was thinking of.

1242
01:09:18,095 --> 01:09:24,575
Speaker 21: Putting another beam down underneath the beam that's there and

1243
01:09:24,735 --> 01:09:32,015
Speaker 21: putting some fly we're on it, and as you're on

1244
01:09:32,055 --> 01:09:36,855
Speaker 21: that beam, your hang down in media, make a stud

1245
01:09:37,015 --> 01:09:39,615
Speaker 21: in mid air off the top.

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01:09:39,415 --> 01:09:44,215
Speaker 7: Beam and the run you put in and extended one

1247
01:09:44,255 --> 01:09:50,455
Speaker 7: hundred miles down and put a put a four we

1248
01:09:50,575 --> 01:09:52,735
Speaker 7: two at right angles.

1249
01:09:53,055 --> 01:09:56,255
Speaker 4: So that's that's more about trying to stop the ramp

1250
01:09:56,295 --> 01:09:59,895
Speaker 4: from getting wet by closing the gap between the two roofs,

1251
01:10:00,015 --> 01:10:05,375
Speaker 4: right and look, that would help, but it doesn't. In

1252
01:10:05,455 --> 01:10:07,255
Speaker 4: the event that the deck gets wet, the deck is

1253
01:10:07,295 --> 01:10:09,655
Speaker 4: still going to be slippery, right, So yes, you could

1254
01:10:09,655 --> 01:10:12,695
Speaker 4: do what you're thinking about doing, and if that works, that's.

1255
01:10:12,535 --> 01:10:28,495
Speaker 20: Great flashing over the bathroom, but it's yeah.

1256
01:10:26,975 --> 01:10:30,055
Speaker 4: Look that would probably you know, if the deck stays dry,

1257
01:10:30,215 --> 01:10:32,135
Speaker 4: then the deck is going to be less slippery. But

1258
01:10:32,735 --> 01:10:37,615
Speaker 4: inevitably these things get wet, and so I would kind

1259
01:10:37,615 --> 01:10:40,295
Speaker 4: of focus on dealing with the issue, which is that

1260
01:10:40,535 --> 01:10:43,455
Speaker 4: it's the type of timber that's been used I don't

1261
01:10:43,495 --> 01:10:46,655
Speaker 4: think is suitable. And yes, it is going to get slippery,

1262
01:10:46,855 --> 01:10:49,095
Speaker 4: and you could do it with a mesh. There are

1263
01:10:49,215 --> 01:10:53,655
Speaker 4: more sort of you know, detailed solutions. I was looking

1264
01:10:53,695 --> 01:10:55,655
Speaker 4: at some non slip mats the other day that you

1265
01:10:55,655 --> 01:10:59,255
Speaker 4: could fix down. They're like a fiberglass mesh type thing

1266
01:10:59,575 --> 01:11:02,495
Speaker 4: or a non slip mat that you could fix down

1267
01:11:03,135 --> 01:11:05,895
Speaker 4: over the top that would give you a permanent surface,

1268
01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:09,015
Speaker 4: So that would be another option as well. So there

1269
01:11:09,055 --> 01:11:11,215
Speaker 4: are solutions for it. It'll either be a mesh or

1270
01:11:11,215 --> 01:11:14,935
Speaker 4: it'll be a mat of some description. But again, not

1271
01:11:14,975 --> 01:11:17,415
Speaker 4: wanting to go on about it. It's kind of disappointing

1272
01:11:17,575 --> 01:11:21,855
Speaker 4: if somebody, especially if somebody's got basically taxpayer money to

1273
01:11:21,895 --> 01:11:23,895
Speaker 4: go and do a job like that for you, and

1274
01:11:23,895 --> 01:11:26,815
Speaker 4: then they've done a basically rubbish job, it's a bit annoying.

1275
01:11:27,335 --> 01:11:29,135
Speaker 4: Good luck with all of that. Alan, Oh, eight hundred

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01:11:29,175 --> 01:11:31,335
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Can

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01:11:31,375 --> 01:11:33,535
Speaker 4: I just take I'm hoping that this is only going

1278
01:11:33,575 --> 01:11:35,855
Speaker 4: to take a minute. But it's been a quite interesting

1279
01:11:36,055 --> 01:11:40,135
Speaker 4: little investigation that I've been part of over the last

1280
01:11:40,375 --> 01:11:46,455
Speaker 4: six weeks or so. It's particularly pertinent because the deadline

1281
01:11:46,495 --> 01:11:50,015
Speaker 4: for all of the Healthy Homes compliance starts on Tuesday,

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01:11:50,055 --> 01:11:52,855
Speaker 4: the first of July. So if you were a landlord

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Speaker 4: and you had a property and you needed to ensure

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Speaker 4: that it was up to Healthy Home standards, there had

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01:11:58,575 --> 01:12:01,255
Speaker 4: always been sort of some exemptions right, if it was

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01:12:01,255 --> 01:12:03,295
Speaker 4: a sitting tendency all the rest of it, you could

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01:12:03,295 --> 01:12:06,935
Speaker 4: delay it. There are no more delays from the of July,

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01:12:07,095 --> 01:12:12,655
Speaker 4: which is Tuesday. All residential residential rental properties need to

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Speaker 4: comply with the Healthy Home standards. A key part of

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Speaker 4: that is the heating requirement. And if you've worked through

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01:12:20,095 --> 01:12:23,575
Speaker 4: this yourself as a landlord or maybe you're doing these assessments,

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01:12:23,775 --> 01:12:28,295
Speaker 4: typically you'll use the heating calculator which is on the

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Speaker 4: Tenancy Services website, So do a quick online search. You'll

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01:12:32,455 --> 01:12:35,615
Speaker 4: find it and then it steps you through a process

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01:12:35,695 --> 01:12:38,895
Speaker 4: so you will measure the space. So the requirement is

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01:12:39,495 --> 01:12:41,855
Speaker 4: that you need to achieve it's either eighteen or twenty

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01:12:41,895 --> 01:12:45,375
Speaker 4: degrees on the coldest day and your climatic zone in

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01:12:45,415 --> 01:12:48,815
Speaker 4: the living space, just the living space of the house,

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Speaker 4: and you have to achieve a heating requirement. It'll the

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01:12:54,135 --> 01:12:57,215
Speaker 4: calculation will allow you to get a number kill a

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01:12:57,215 --> 01:12:59,935
Speaker 4: what hours, and that's the amount of heating that you

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01:13:00,015 --> 01:13:02,415
Speaker 4: need to have in that space. If you're a landlord,

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01:13:02,495 --> 01:13:04,935
Speaker 4: you should have done this. If you're a tenant, you

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01:13:04,975 --> 01:13:08,455
Speaker 4: should have been given Healthy Home certificate when you started

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01:13:08,495 --> 01:13:12,535
Speaker 4: your residential tendency. It's part of your tenancy agreement. So

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01:13:13,095 --> 01:13:18,015
Speaker 4: literally every single property in the country residential tendancy should

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Speaker 4: have heating calculation done on it and the tool. I've

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Speaker 4: used the tool a number of times in conventional residential properties,

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Speaker 4: you know, either a standalone building or semi detached block

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01:13:31,175 --> 01:13:34,455
Speaker 4: of flats, that sort of thing, and I think the

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01:13:34,495 --> 01:13:38,015
Speaker 4: tool works reasonably well. I was asked by some people

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01:13:38,015 --> 01:13:41,215
Speaker 4: that own an apartment to have a look at their

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01:13:41,975 --> 01:13:46,455
Speaker 4: heating assessment because they had done a heating assessment it

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01:13:46,535 --> 01:13:49,415
Speaker 4: had told them that in the apartment, which had a

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01:13:49,495 --> 01:13:53,015
Speaker 4: living space of about forty eight square meters, that they

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01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:58,415
Speaker 4: required four point four killer watts of heating. As it happens,

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Speaker 4: what they went and did was by two high quality

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01:14:01,535 --> 01:14:04,455
Speaker 4: electric wall heaters that were fixed to the wall so

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01:14:04,495 --> 01:14:08,135
Speaker 4: they couldn't be moved around, and that each of those

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01:14:08,215 --> 01:14:10,415
Speaker 4: was two point four kilowatts, So that gave them four

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01:14:10,455 --> 01:14:13,895
Speaker 4: point eight kilowatts of heating for that space, and they

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01:14:13,935 --> 01:14:17,535
Speaker 4: thought that they then complied with the regulation. Turns out

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01:14:17,535 --> 01:14:19,815
Speaker 4: that there is part of the regulation that says that

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01:14:19,895 --> 01:14:22,375
Speaker 4: if you need a heating requirement of more than two

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01:14:22,455 --> 01:14:27,255
Speaker 4: point four kilowatts of heating, that can only be a

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01:14:27,295 --> 01:14:32,455
Speaker 4: heat pump, so they're electric heating. While it provided them

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Speaker 4: with the heating, didn't comply with all of the legislation

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01:14:35,535 --> 01:14:38,215
Speaker 4: because it wasn't a heat pump, which meant that after

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01:14:38,695 --> 01:14:41,895
Speaker 4: spending the money on the electric heaters, they now had

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01:14:41,895 --> 01:14:44,375
Speaker 4: to literally take those away or not use them and

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01:14:44,495 --> 01:14:47,455
Speaker 4: install a heat pump in order to comply with the

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01:14:47,495 --> 01:14:52,175
Speaker 4: looming deadline. This is an apartment, right, So it's an

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01:14:52,215 --> 01:14:55,055
Speaker 4: apartment like there are tens of thousands of them around

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01:14:55,055 --> 01:14:57,575
Speaker 4: the country and more of them to come. There is

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01:14:57,615 --> 01:15:00,695
Speaker 4: a habitable space below, there is a habitable space. Above

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01:15:00,775 --> 01:15:04,135
Speaker 4: there is a habitable a space on many of the

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01:15:04,535 --> 01:15:08,415
Speaker 4: adjoining walls end tenancy wall. So I went did a

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01:15:08,455 --> 01:15:13,135
Speaker 4: measure up, calculated the floor space, measured the outside wall,

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01:15:13,375 --> 01:15:16,055
Speaker 4: measured the size of the window, which was a standard

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01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:20,695
Speaker 4: sliding door with some single glazing aluminium conventional aluminium, went

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01:15:20,735 --> 01:15:23,255
Speaker 4: away and used the heating tool. But to be fair

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01:15:23,295 --> 01:15:25,895
Speaker 4: and to be really honest, I faked the numbers right.

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01:15:26,455 --> 01:15:29,375
Speaker 4: So I looked at it and said, well, actually, the

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01:15:29,415 --> 01:15:32,215
Speaker 4: floor is not like a floor of a conventional building

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01:15:32,255 --> 01:15:35,895
Speaker 4: where the outside space is unconditioned. It can get really

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01:15:35,895 --> 01:15:39,775
Speaker 4: cold because below this apartment is another apartment, and even

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01:15:39,855 --> 01:15:43,375
Speaker 4: it was uninhabited, it's unlikely to get below I don't know,

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01:15:43,815 --> 01:15:48,015
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen degrees, maybe ten twelve degrees at the very coldest,

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01:15:48,055 --> 01:15:51,175
Speaker 4: if it was uninhabited for a period of time. But again,

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01:15:51,295 --> 01:15:54,135
Speaker 4: in reality, most of the time someone's living there, they're

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01:15:54,175 --> 01:15:57,295
Speaker 4: warming their place. Your place benefits and the heat that

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01:15:57,335 --> 01:16:00,135
Speaker 4: you create benefits the person above. So there's a unit above,

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01:16:00,175 --> 01:16:03,495
Speaker 4: there's a unit below, there's units on two sides of

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01:16:03,535 --> 01:16:06,655
Speaker 4: this particular building. So I kind of use the tool,

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01:16:06,695 --> 01:16:09,135
Speaker 4: but I faked the numbers. I'll be really honest, I

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01:16:09,295 --> 01:16:11,375
Speaker 4: or fudge the numbers to reflect what I thought was

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01:16:11,375 --> 01:16:15,375
Speaker 4: a real world performance. And so by using the online tool,

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01:16:15,495 --> 01:16:17,735
Speaker 4: I got to a number of one point two killer

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01:16:17,775 --> 01:16:22,175
Speaker 4: watts of heating. It's considerably less than four point four

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01:16:22,855 --> 01:16:25,975
Speaker 4: and less again than three point two. But of course

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Speaker 4: I can't use those numbers to provide that evidence for

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01:16:29,855 --> 01:16:33,055
Speaker 4: a healthy homes assessment because obviously I had manipulated the

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01:16:33,135 --> 01:16:36,775
Speaker 4: numbers for a real world experience. So we went off

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01:16:36,815 --> 01:16:43,135
Speaker 4: to a basically a consultant who specializes an energy modeling

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01:16:43,175 --> 01:16:47,015
Speaker 4: of residential properties, gave them all the details. They created

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01:16:47,175 --> 01:16:51,775
Speaker 4: a very complex and detailed energy model for that dwelling,

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01:16:53,055 --> 01:16:56,375
Speaker 4: and their findings came back the other day. The interesting

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01:16:56,415 --> 01:17:00,015
Speaker 4: thing is the requirement that they determine. This is highly

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01:17:00,055 --> 01:17:05,655
Speaker 4: scientific using very good data. So bearing in mind the

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Speaker 4: requirement initially was found to be four point four then

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01:17:09,695 --> 01:17:12,855
Speaker 4: the other review said three point six. I did my

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01:17:13,215 --> 01:17:16,055
Speaker 4: dodgy science and got it down to about one point

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01:17:16,095 --> 01:17:20,775
Speaker 4: two killo watts of heating required. The actual scientific requirement

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01:17:20,855 --> 01:17:24,735
Speaker 4: for the heating of that particular apartment ended up being

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01:17:25,135 --> 01:17:33,855
Speaker 4: zero point five seven killer watts of heating. So that's

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01:17:34,095 --> 01:17:37,655
Speaker 4: easily achieved by the electric heaters that they've got and

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01:17:38,135 --> 01:17:42,735
Speaker 4: as a real willed analysis of the requirements of that space.

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01:17:43,495 --> 01:17:45,055
Speaker 4: And I sat there and I looked at the email

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01:17:45,095 --> 01:17:47,655
Speaker 4: the other day, and I looked at the report. I

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01:17:47,735 --> 01:17:50,295
Speaker 4: know the people who did it. I've been to the apartment,

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01:17:50,335 --> 01:17:53,375
Speaker 4: and it makes sense to me. The concern now is

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01:17:53,495 --> 01:17:59,335
Speaker 4: that if you are a landlord of an apartment, or

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Speaker 4: you're the property manager of an apartment, or you do

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01:18:02,535 --> 01:18:06,215
Speaker 4: healthy homes assessments and you use the online calculator that

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01:18:06,295 --> 01:18:10,495
Speaker 4: it's available through tendency services, you're going to get a

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01:18:10,615 --> 01:18:14,415
Speaker 4: number that doesn't actually I don't know how to put this,

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01:18:14,495 --> 01:18:19,015
Speaker 4: but doesn't really make sense in terms of what's actually required.

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01:18:19,055 --> 01:18:24,935
Speaker 4: So the tool doesn't have the nuance to allow for apartments.

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Speaker 4: And I know that this has been discussed sort of

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01:18:27,215 --> 01:18:29,535
Speaker 4: in building circles for a couple of years now that

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01:18:29,615 --> 01:18:34,055
Speaker 4: the tool is designed for typical residential buildings, and I

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01:18:34,095 --> 01:18:36,215
Speaker 4: have some sympathy for the government in terms of trying

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01:18:36,215 --> 01:18:38,495
Speaker 4: to figure out, let's give them a tool that will

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01:18:38,495 --> 01:18:42,095
Speaker 4: work for most situations, but it doesn't work for apartments.

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01:18:42,895 --> 01:18:45,695
Speaker 4: So I can't put that any other way. It just

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01:18:45,775 --> 01:18:50,415
Speaker 4: doesn't work for apartments. So the only way for a

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01:18:50,855 --> 01:18:53,815
Speaker 4: landlord potentially or an apartment owner who is renting that

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01:18:53,855 --> 01:18:56,175
Speaker 4: apartment out to get an accurate thing is to go

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01:18:56,215 --> 01:19:00,895
Speaker 4: off and get an independent heating assessment done, which most won't.

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Speaker 4: So potentially we're getting assessments done, creating higher numbers than

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01:19:06,615 --> 01:19:11,255
Speaker 4: we need and putting in potentially putting in some heat

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01:19:11,295 --> 01:19:14,095
Speaker 4: pumps and places we don't need them, or providing far

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01:19:14,175 --> 01:19:18,455
Speaker 4: more heating than's actually realistically required. You may care to comic.

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01:19:18,535 --> 01:19:22,335
Speaker 4: I found the whole process absolutely fascinating. Right, we're going

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01:19:22,375 --> 01:19:24,135
Speaker 4: to take a short break. That's my rent over It

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01:19:24,175 --> 01:19:27,095
Speaker 4: is coming up nine minutes away. From eight that I'd

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01:19:27,175 --> 01:19:29,215
Speaker 4: love to take your calls on that particular issue. If

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01:19:29,255 --> 01:19:32,135
Speaker 4: you want to take some exception to what I'm saying,

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01:19:32,335 --> 01:19:34,095
Speaker 4: by all means, give me a call. Oh, eight hundred

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01:19:34,175 --> 01:19:35,855
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number.

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01:19:36,335 --> 01:19:38,855
Speaker 1: Doing of the house sorting the garden, asked Pete for

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01:19:38,935 --> 01:19:44,135
Speaker 1: ahead the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call eight News

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01:19:44,215 --> 01:19:46,255
Speaker 1: Dog ZV A couple of minutes away.

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01:19:46,055 --> 01:19:55,175
Speaker 4: From News top of the hour. Yes, great song, but

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01:19:55,255 --> 01:19:57,815
Speaker 4: a little bit early. I think maybe maybe we'll grab

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01:19:57,855 --> 01:20:00,255
Speaker 4: another call. Hey Stanley, good morning to you.

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Speaker 10: Oh yes, look, good morning Pete. Now I have a

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01:20:04,415 --> 01:20:09,415
Speaker 10: suggestion for people with open fireplaces and you're talking about,

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01:20:09,935 --> 01:20:13,855
Speaker 10: you know, the air escaping up the chimney. Ye get

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01:20:13,855 --> 01:20:17,975
Speaker 10: a set of louvers, detachable louvers that fit over it,

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01:20:18,895 --> 01:20:22,175
Speaker 10: nice attractive ones, and then keep them shut most of

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01:20:22,215 --> 01:20:25,615
Speaker 10: the time. But in the summer when.

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01:20:25,215 --> 01:20:27,895
Speaker 4: You want the cooling, Yes, open them up.

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01:20:30,375 --> 01:20:30,575
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:20:31,255 --> 01:20:34,175
Speaker 4: Not a bad idea. I like my chimney balloon more.

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01:20:34,415 --> 01:20:37,055
Speaker 4: But I hear what you're saying, because.

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Speaker 10: Because you can get you know, the nice attractive ones

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01:20:39,935 --> 01:20:47,175
Speaker 10: made yea to match the decore of the room, you know, the.

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01:20:49,735 --> 01:20:51,935
Speaker 4: Look you know. I think the main thing is that

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01:20:51,975 --> 01:20:54,535
Speaker 4: what we're doing as people are aware that you know,

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01:20:54,775 --> 01:20:59,135
Speaker 4: and lots and lots of so many older New Zealand houses, villas, bungalows,

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01:20:59,135 --> 01:21:04,015
Speaker 4: et cetera. Many have fireplaces right and and not that

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01:21:04,135 --> 01:21:07,495
Speaker 4: many of us use the fireplace anymore. So you can

1434
01:21:07,575 --> 01:21:12,015
Speaker 4: either do the retrofit and install more energy efficient heating

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01:21:12,055 --> 01:21:15,615
Speaker 4: system into them and then seal the roof with a

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01:21:15,655 --> 01:21:18,575
Speaker 4: flashing at the top with the new ducting running out

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01:21:18,615 --> 01:21:21,975
Speaker 4: through there, or if you just leave them and don't

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01:21:21,975 --> 01:21:24,895
Speaker 4: do anything, then they just end up sucking out heat.

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01:21:24,975 --> 01:21:29,975
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of pleased that we've we've dealt with

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01:21:30,015 --> 01:21:34,855
Speaker 4: that issue hopefully. Last week on the show, we ended

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01:21:34,935 --> 01:21:37,615
Speaker 4: up talking a lot about cleaning toilets. I did get

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01:21:37,655 --> 01:21:40,815
Speaker 4: a Texas Morning from someone who used a bag of

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01:21:40,855 --> 01:21:43,855
Speaker 4: salt this was one of the discussion points from last

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01:21:43,855 --> 01:21:46,055
Speaker 4: week on the show, and said it worked to treat.

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01:21:46,855 --> 01:21:48,575
Speaker 4: I actually went out and bought a bag of salt,

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01:21:48,615 --> 01:21:51,775
Speaker 4: but didn't actually get round of to do it. So

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01:21:51,815 --> 01:22:02,135
Speaker 4: it's a reminder. Someone's my comment. Someone's just texted and said, hey,

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01:22:02,135 --> 01:22:04,775
Speaker 4: look I used the tool a couple of weeks ago.

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01:22:04,815 --> 01:22:07,855
Speaker 4: One of the first sections asked, it's an apartment. I

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01:22:07,935 --> 01:22:10,375
Speaker 4: agree with you. It does ask if it's an apartment,

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01:22:10,455 --> 01:22:14,575
Speaker 4: but it still doesn't give you a real world result

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01:22:15,335 --> 01:22:17,615
Speaker 4: is my comic. So yeah, I'm aware that it does,

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01:22:17,655 --> 01:22:20,295
Speaker 4: and it factors it in. I just don't think it

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01:22:20,375 --> 01:22:25,255
Speaker 4: weights it enough. And now I've got proof, right he Oh,

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01:22:25,295 --> 01:22:27,135
Speaker 4: we're back after new Sport and weather top of the

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01:22:27,255 --> 01:22:27,575
Speaker 4: rat eight.

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01:22:34,455 --> 01:22:37,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with stealing, fixing with fens, or wondering

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01:22:37,415 --> 01:22:39,495
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

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01:22:39,575 --> 01:22:44,175
Speaker 1: wolf Gabbi call on eighty the resident builder on Youth

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01:22:44,215 --> 01:22:44,775
Speaker 1: Talks B.

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Speaker 4: Your news Talk said, be welcome back to the show.

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01:22:47,335 --> 01:22:47,615
Speaker 11: It is.

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01:22:48,255 --> 01:22:50,695
Speaker 4: Let me say six minutes almost seven minutes after eight

1464
01:22:50,735 --> 01:22:53,855
Speaker 4: wheel talk all things building constructions through at eight thirty.

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01:22:53,935 --> 01:22:56,495
Speaker 4: At eight thirty, the Red Climb Pass will be with

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01:22:56,615 --> 01:22:59,175
Speaker 4: us and will jump into the garden. So any of

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01:22:59,215 --> 01:23:02,655
Speaker 4: your gardening or entomological questions you can address them to

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01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:05,975
Speaker 4: Red from eight thirty this morning. But right now we'll

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01:23:05,975 --> 01:23:10,375
Speaker 4: continue you talking building construction. And I've got a flood

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01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:14,975
Speaker 4: of texts which is awesome about my comments about the

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01:23:15,015 --> 01:23:20,695
Speaker 4: heating requirements for healthy homes as applied to apartments in particular,

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01:23:20,775 --> 01:23:23,895
Speaker 4: and if you use the Online Tool, which is the

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01:23:23,935 --> 01:23:29,815
Speaker 4: tool that we're all encouraged to use by Tendency Services. Basically,

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01:23:29,855 --> 01:23:32,015
Speaker 4: I don't think it's nuanced enough to give you a

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01:23:32,055 --> 01:23:34,495
Speaker 4: realistic view. And I've had a number of people text

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01:23:34,535 --> 01:23:39,975
Speaker 4: in saying, you know that they've used it and they've

1477
01:23:40,175 --> 01:23:43,815
Speaker 4: ended up with similar results where they're getting really high requirements,

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01:23:43,855 --> 01:23:48,095
Speaker 4: you know, three four killer watts of heating for an apartment.

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01:23:48,655 --> 01:23:51,015
Speaker 4: Where do you go, Well, you can do what my

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01:23:51,135 --> 01:23:55,255
Speaker 4: clients ended up doing, partly on my recommendation and finding

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01:23:56,655 --> 01:23:59,935
Speaker 4: basically a building survey or a building scientist who can

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01:24:00,095 --> 01:24:07,535
Speaker 4: undertake a proper basically energy modeling of the space to

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01:24:07,575 --> 01:24:12,055
Speaker 4: determine what heating requirement you need to achieve the objective,

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01:24:12,055 --> 01:24:14,375
Speaker 4: and the objective is to make sure that the building

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01:24:14,415 --> 01:24:16,895
Speaker 4: can be twenty degrees on the coldest day of the year.

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01:24:17,655 --> 01:24:20,255
Speaker 4: So how you achieve that you have to be able

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01:24:20,295 --> 01:24:23,215
Speaker 4: to prove it. Typically we go to the tool online

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01:24:23,255 --> 01:24:26,575
Speaker 4: tool to prove it. I think the online tool, even

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01:24:26,615 --> 01:24:29,855
Speaker 4: though you can select apartments, is still not nuanced enough

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01:24:29,895 --> 01:24:35,135
Speaker 4: to give you a real figure that's a realistic figure.

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01:24:35,615 --> 01:24:38,135
Speaker 4: So this is going to be a bit of a challenge. George,

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01:24:38,255 --> 01:24:39,375
Speaker 4: A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, George, we've got a reasonably modern house with a

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01:24:46,175 --> 01:24:50,855
Speaker 18: corrugated iron roof which is pitched, and we have a

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01:24:51,015 --> 01:24:55,655
Speaker 18: range hood which leaks water down through the center of it,

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01:24:55,735 --> 01:25:00,415
Speaker 18: which is going over the motor. It drips onto the stovetop,

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01:25:00,975 --> 01:25:03,975
Speaker 18: and we've had a plumberh instored it out and he

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01:25:04,135 --> 01:25:05,695
Speaker 18: thought it might have been to do with a flashing,

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01:25:05,695 --> 01:25:08,815
Speaker 18: and he with that, but no nothing there. So I

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01:25:08,895 --> 01:25:12,855
Speaker 18: suggested to him, because it was about or maybe a

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01:25:12,935 --> 01:25:17,055
Speaker 18: foot above the roof, that maybe rain was splashing up

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01:25:17,415 --> 01:25:21,215
Speaker 18: into the mushroom dome and coming down. So he raised

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01:25:21,255 --> 01:25:25,135
Speaker 18: it up probably another half meter, pretty high up the roof.

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01:25:25,615 --> 01:25:29,495
Speaker 18: But we've still got water coming down through the chimney part.

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01:25:29,855 --> 01:25:33,775
Speaker 18: So yesterday I went up into the ceiling and just

1506
01:25:33,815 --> 01:25:35,935
Speaker 18: to see whether in fact it could have been the flashing.

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01:25:35,975 --> 01:25:39,855
Speaker 18: But there's no water at all around the outside of

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01:25:40,015 --> 01:25:44,615
Speaker 18: that chimney part. So could it be Capello reaction pets

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01:25:44,655 --> 01:25:48,255
Speaker 18: that's taking the water back up under the mushroom part

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01:25:48,295 --> 01:25:48,855
Speaker 18: and coming down.

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01:25:50,615 --> 01:25:56,935
Speaker 4: No, I think that what you're getting is condensation, right,

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01:25:57,775 --> 01:25:59,935
Speaker 4: So it's not a leak, it's condensation.

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01:26:01,615 --> 01:26:04,015
Speaker 18: Really, there's quite a bit of water comes down.

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01:26:05,215 --> 01:26:09,415
Speaker 4: Well, if you know. So essentially what you're getting is

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01:26:09,455 --> 01:26:13,695
Speaker 4: the water is inside the ducting, right, and you're seeing

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01:26:13,735 --> 01:26:15,015
Speaker 4: it at the range hood.

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01:26:15,695 --> 01:26:18,095
Speaker 18: Correct there, stripping onto the those top.

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01:26:18,375 --> 01:26:18,575
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:26:18,855 --> 01:26:20,935
Speaker 4: So when you go up into the roof space and

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01:26:20,975 --> 01:26:23,695
Speaker 4: you look around the exterior of the ducting and the

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01:26:23,735 --> 01:26:27,375
Speaker 4: flashing and you don't see any moisture, then you go, Okay,

1522
01:26:27,415 --> 01:26:30,815
Speaker 4: the water is getting in into the ducting somewhere. So

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01:26:30,855 --> 01:26:33,495
Speaker 4: you go onto the roof. The plumber has extended that

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01:26:33,615 --> 01:26:37,335
Speaker 4: ducting up and then they've they've got a mushroom on

1525
01:26:37,375 --> 01:26:40,135
Speaker 4: top of it. And you know, water, water can do

1526
01:26:40,215 --> 01:26:43,615
Speaker 4: interesting things. But and yes, I've seen it drive upwards,

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01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,655
Speaker 4: but it typically has to have something that it's on

1528
01:26:46,895 --> 01:26:48,855
Speaker 4: in order for it to be driven up. So I

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01:26:48,895 --> 01:26:51,575
Speaker 4: know what those mushrooms look like. I think it'd be

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01:26:51,655 --> 01:26:55,095
Speaker 4: really unlikely that that wind driven rain is going to

1531
01:26:55,135 --> 01:26:59,415
Speaker 4: go nip underneath the mushroom up over the lip and inside,

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01:27:00,135 --> 01:27:06,015
Speaker 4: and potentially by extending the length of that uninsulated ducting

1533
01:27:06,095 --> 01:27:08,975
Speaker 4: through the roof, you're actually creating more condensation.

1534
01:27:11,135 --> 01:27:13,415
Speaker 18: Really, that's quite interesting. Yes, it doesn't need to have

1535
01:27:13,455 --> 01:27:16,255
Speaker 18: any wind. In fact, it doesn't even have to rain hard.

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01:27:17,855 --> 01:27:22,655
Speaker 18: But in saying that, when it's cold. We're in central Target,

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01:27:23,215 --> 01:27:25,495
Speaker 18: and I mean in the winter it's cold, we can

1538
01:27:26,135 --> 01:27:30,495
Speaker 18: be really cold, but we don't get any condensation even

1539
01:27:30,495 --> 01:27:33,655
Speaker 18: when we've got cold fog. I would have.

1540
01:27:33,695 --> 01:27:35,815
Speaker 4: Imagined anywhere else in the house.

1541
01:27:36,775 --> 01:27:40,455
Speaker 18: I no, no, I've got a really dry house. But

1542
01:27:40,655 --> 01:27:43,095
Speaker 18: what I'm suggesting to you is if it was condensation,

1543
01:27:43,775 --> 01:27:46,935
Speaker 18: then when it's cold and foggy outside, why are we

1544
01:27:47,015 --> 01:27:48,615
Speaker 18: not getting condensation dripping out?

1545
01:27:48,655 --> 01:27:53,975
Speaker 4: Then it really well, condensation occurs when you've got the

1546
01:27:54,015 --> 01:27:57,335
Speaker 4: right combination of features, right, So you've got moisture laid

1547
01:27:57,375 --> 01:28:02,775
Speaker 4: in the air that attaches to a cold surface. So

1548
01:28:02,855 --> 01:28:06,135
Speaker 4: when it's if it's cold outside, you've got an uninsulated

1549
01:28:06,375 --> 01:28:10,815
Speaker 4: metal tube, right, and then you've got moisture inside your house,

1550
01:28:10,855 --> 01:28:13,775
Speaker 4: which is your house always will have a certain amount

1551
01:28:13,775 --> 01:28:18,335
Speaker 4: of moisture that's then being effectively drawn to the rain

1552
01:28:18,415 --> 01:28:21,455
Speaker 4: hood because it's open, right, so it's extracting. Even when

1553
01:28:21,495 --> 01:28:24,175
Speaker 4: it's turned off, it's still open, right, so air is

1554
01:28:24,215 --> 01:28:28,215
Speaker 4: still flowing there. I'm wondering whether it's the the air

1555
01:28:28,295 --> 01:28:31,615
Speaker 4: that's inside your house that's going up the ducting And

1556
01:28:31,655 --> 01:28:35,215
Speaker 4: because like most of us, for our range hoods, it'd

1557
01:28:35,255 --> 01:28:36,855
Speaker 4: be in a kitchen unit. It would go up and

1558
01:28:36,895 --> 01:28:38,935
Speaker 4: it would go straight through the wall, or would go

1559
01:28:39,055 --> 01:28:41,495
Speaker 4: up and it would go across in some flexible ducting

1560
01:28:41,535 --> 01:28:43,575
Speaker 4: through the back of the units and out through the wall.

1561
01:28:43,975 --> 01:28:46,295
Speaker 4: But because yours goes through the roof, you've got this

1562
01:28:46,455 --> 01:28:49,575
Speaker 4: metal tube that extends up and of course at the

1563
01:28:49,575 --> 01:28:51,775
Speaker 4: top it's going to be cold on the outside with

1564
01:28:51,895 --> 01:28:54,975
Speaker 4: moisture on the inside. That air is going up, and

1565
01:28:55,055 --> 01:28:58,375
Speaker 4: that moisture is then hitting the side of the tube,

1566
01:28:58,855 --> 01:29:01,775
Speaker 4: turning into conensate and dripping back down again. That's what

1567
01:29:01,815 --> 01:29:04,135
Speaker 4: I think is is that's what I think is most

1568
01:29:04,215 --> 01:29:08,615
Speaker 4: likely to happen if there's no other leak and you

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01:29:08,615 --> 01:29:09,855
Speaker 4: have me able to find a leak.

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01:29:10,735 --> 01:29:13,415
Speaker 18: No, Yeah, why would it not be a common problem

1571
01:29:13,455 --> 01:29:14,015
Speaker 18: in Pete?

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01:29:15,655 --> 01:29:18,855
Speaker 4: To be fear not that many range hoods ducked through

1573
01:29:18,855 --> 01:29:22,335
Speaker 4: the roof. Most range shoulds tend to duck through the walls.

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01:29:22,455 --> 01:29:24,855
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got some ducting for a laundry that

1575
01:29:24,935 --> 01:29:28,095
Speaker 4: goes vertically, but it's a much shorter run and so

1576
01:29:28,335 --> 01:29:30,455
Speaker 4: I haven't to be fair, I haven't been into check

1577
01:29:30,495 --> 01:29:33,495
Speaker 4: whether there might be some condensation in there, but it

1578
01:29:33,535 --> 01:29:36,375
Speaker 4: would be interesting to you know, if there's someone like

1579
01:29:36,415 --> 01:29:38,855
Speaker 4: an eco advisor in your area kind it would be

1580
01:29:38,935 --> 01:29:40,655
Speaker 4: quite interesting to see if they would give you a

1581
01:29:40,655 --> 01:29:44,015
Speaker 4: bit of advice on that. But I would investigate the

1582
01:29:44,095 --> 01:29:46,615
Speaker 4: condensation if there's no obvious leak.

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01:29:47,495 --> 01:29:51,535
Speaker 18: Right, okay, thank you for that. My pleasure with trains

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01:29:51,535 --> 01:29:53,415
Speaker 18: for the heat traits, for the assistant that people have

1585
01:29:53,455 --> 01:29:56,695
Speaker 18: talked about it. We've got one in our house. As

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01:29:56,735 --> 01:29:58,935
Speaker 18: there is we knew how so, I said, and as

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01:29:59,015 --> 01:30:01,935
Speaker 18: by a wood burner in the ceiling which are an

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01:30:01,935 --> 01:30:04,975
Speaker 18: open sort of an event thing, and in our three

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01:30:05,015 --> 01:30:06,655
Speaker 18: bedrooms we have a.

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01:30:06,335 --> 01:30:09,375
Speaker 17: An outlet and grew up to.

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01:30:08,935 --> 01:30:13,135
Speaker 18: Stop the coming out. Well, when we first moved in here,

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01:30:13,415 --> 01:30:15,815
Speaker 18: it was the most useless thing you can imagine. Turned

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01:30:15,815 --> 01:30:19,535
Speaker 18: on the power and nothing happened. So I actually got

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01:30:19,575 --> 01:30:22,215
Speaker 18: up into the ceiling then and found that where the

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01:30:22,255 --> 01:30:32,655
Speaker 18: motor was and the conducting the tube had come off heat.

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01:30:33,415 --> 01:30:35,655
Speaker 18: It wasn't fast numbery well, it was really just taken

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01:30:35,655 --> 01:30:37,975
Speaker 18: on a couple of years later, we don't use it

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01:30:38,015 --> 01:30:40,015
Speaker 18: because we don't want the vedoms to be too hot.

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01:30:40,055 --> 01:30:43,175
Speaker 18: But a couple of years later, when I was up

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01:30:43,295 --> 01:30:47,135
Speaker 18: yesterday having a look at this other range or thing,

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01:30:47,695 --> 01:30:50,975
Speaker 18: I had a look again and where the joint is

1602
01:30:51,095 --> 01:30:55,935
Speaker 18: where it goes to the three bedrooms, another plastic unit there.

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01:30:55,935 --> 01:30:59,575
Speaker 18: It just distributes it. It had come off, so it

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01:30:59,695 --> 01:31:02,655
Speaker 18: seems that, you know, if people do find it not

1605
01:31:02,735 --> 01:31:05,015
Speaker 18: re effected, it wouldn't be bad idea to have a

1606
01:31:05,055 --> 01:31:09,375
Speaker 18: look up in the ceilings are still attached to what that's.

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01:31:09,175 --> 01:31:11,335
Speaker 4: Absolutely Hey, good on you for getting up there and

1608
01:31:11,415 --> 01:31:13,895
Speaker 4: being really thorough with looking after your house. It's a

1609
01:31:13,895 --> 01:31:16,415
Speaker 4: great idea, George, thank you very much. I might do

1610
01:31:16,495 --> 01:31:18,055
Speaker 4: a bit of reading, in a bit of research about

1611
01:31:18,095 --> 01:31:20,215
Speaker 4: it and see whether it is actually likely to be

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01:31:20,295 --> 01:31:23,375
Speaker 4: the condensation your news talk zeb remember root climb passed

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01:31:23,375 --> 01:31:26,935
Speaker 4: from Make thirty. It is eight fifteen news talk zebby

1614
01:31:27,695 --> 01:31:32,535
Speaker 4: Today I'm talking with Murray Knight, Managing directors thinking Holymer's International,

1615
01:31:32,615 --> 01:31:35,655
Speaker 4: and we're talking about in Juris. Good morning, Murray, tell

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01:31:35,735 --> 01:31:37,575
Speaker 4: us what is in Juris?

1617
01:31:37,735 --> 01:31:41,455
Speaker 17: Good morning, Peak Well in Juris is one hundred percent

1618
01:31:41,735 --> 01:31:45,135
Speaker 17: silicon roof coating designed to restore water tightness to a

1619
01:31:45,175 --> 01:31:50,055
Speaker 17: wide variety of existing roof types. It forms a monolithic

1620
01:31:50,175 --> 01:31:53,935
Speaker 17: and seamless membrane, stopping leaks and helps extend the life

1621
01:31:54,015 --> 01:31:57,855
Speaker 17: of a roof. It has been used extensively for fifty

1622
01:31:57,935 --> 01:32:00,295
Speaker 17: years and other markets, and we have been promoting the

1623
01:32:00,655 --> 01:32:02,815
Speaker 17: in Juris in the New Zealand markets for the past

1624
01:32:02,855 --> 01:32:03,735
Speaker 17: two years.

1625
01:32:04,015 --> 01:32:06,215
Speaker 4: So Murray, tell us what the key benefits are.

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01:32:06,855 --> 01:32:10,415
Speaker 17: Well, our view is why replacement you can restore and

1627
01:32:10,655 --> 01:32:13,175
Speaker 17: the Injurius has many benefits. So I'll just run a

1628
01:32:13,215 --> 01:32:15,935
Speaker 17: few through a few of the key one Conjuris you

1629
01:32:15,975 --> 01:32:18,815
Speaker 17: can apply as a single coat. It cures quickly to

1630
01:32:18,855 --> 01:32:23,295
Speaker 17: form a durable, seamless water type membrane that is breathable, waterproof,

1631
01:32:23,375 --> 01:32:27,095
Speaker 17: and permanently flexible. It is u be stable and maintained

1632
01:32:27,135 --> 01:32:32,015
Speaker 17: its elasticity for decades following the correct surface preparation. Injuris

1633
01:32:32,015 --> 01:32:35,575
Speaker 17: will provide excellent adhesion to a wide variety of very substrates,

1634
01:32:35,615 --> 01:32:40,215
Speaker 17: including metal, single ply membranes such as beauty ol, concrete, disbestos,

1635
01:32:40,255 --> 01:32:44,015
Speaker 17: flame on, bitchul them, you name it. Really it's also

1636
01:32:44,095 --> 01:32:46,735
Speaker 17: really easy to apply. You can use either a long map,

1637
01:32:47,615 --> 01:32:51,375
Speaker 17: microfiber rolla or brush or if it's a large job

1638
01:32:51,375 --> 01:32:54,935
Speaker 17: that's spread on. It's also really easy to use. You

1639
01:32:55,055 --> 01:32:57,935
Speaker 17: use it straight from the pail, no mixing required, and

1640
01:32:58,015 --> 01:33:01,295
Speaker 17: it's rain proof in thirty minutes it's great for climates

1641
01:33:01,335 --> 01:33:03,815
Speaker 17: that we have here in Auckland. If you have a

1642
01:33:03,895 --> 01:33:07,575
Speaker 17: flat roof, it's great for that as well because it's

1643
01:33:07,735 --> 01:33:11,815
Speaker 17: unaffected by standing water. And Jurius is a fast, efficient

1644
01:33:11,815 --> 01:33:15,215
Speaker 17: and economical solution. So if you're looking for a sustainable

1645
01:33:15,255 --> 01:33:19,415
Speaker 17: roofing solution that is environmentally responsible, it's a great option

1646
01:33:19,575 --> 01:33:23,215
Speaker 17: to consider colors. The only cl two colors that's the

1647
01:33:23,255 --> 01:33:26,335
Speaker 17: mid gray and white, and the white can be used

1648
01:33:26,335 --> 01:33:28,575
Speaker 17: if you're looking for a call roof as it meets

1649
01:33:28,615 --> 01:33:31,895
Speaker 17: the reflective index rating required to be classified as core roofing.

1650
01:33:32,695 --> 01:33:35,015
Speaker 4: That's some really helpful information. Now, if people want to

1651
01:33:35,215 --> 01:33:36,775
Speaker 4: buy Injurius, where do they go?

1652
01:33:37,495 --> 01:33:40,455
Speaker 17: Well, you can visit our distributor, shellc Out New Zealand Limited.

1653
01:33:40,975 --> 01:33:44,895
Speaker 17: They are at seven Woodson Place, Wira Valley. We'll give

1654
01:33:44,935 --> 01:33:49,255
Speaker 17: them a call on eight hundred one two three nine hundred,

1655
01:33:50,015 --> 01:33:52,655
Speaker 17: or if you want more information, you can just visit

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01:33:52,735 --> 01:33:56,335
Speaker 17: the website siliconf Building dot com.

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01:33:56,815 --> 01:33:59,055
Speaker 4: And Marie, thanks for dropping a bucket out to me.

1658
01:34:00,095 --> 01:34:02,135
Speaker 4: I've put it on. It's a small roof. I need

1659
01:34:02,175 --> 01:34:04,575
Speaker 4: to extend its life for a bit and so far

1660
01:34:05,015 --> 01:34:08,095
Speaker 4: no leaks really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, Murray,

1661
01:34:08,855 --> 01:34:11,015
Speaker 4: Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

1662
01:34:11,175 --> 01:34:14,495
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

1663
01:34:14,695 --> 01:34:15,975
Speaker 1: on Newstalks.

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01:34:15,575 --> 01:34:19,175
Speaker 4: NB your News TALKSB we're talking all things building construction.

1665
01:34:19,735 --> 01:34:23,535
Speaker 4: A couple of useful suggestions for our previous caller, George

1666
01:34:23,535 --> 01:34:26,895
Speaker 4: with the leak that might be coming from the ducting

1667
01:34:26,935 --> 01:34:29,335
Speaker 4: that extends from the range hood through the roof, which

1668
01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:32,175
Speaker 4: is you know, it's a it's not uncommon, but it's

1669
01:34:32,175 --> 01:34:35,495
Speaker 4: also not terribly common. So a couple of people have said,

1670
01:34:38,055 --> 01:34:44,415
Speaker 4: where are they about the seam orientation of the seam

1671
01:34:44,455 --> 01:34:47,095
Speaker 4: on the duck. The rivets aren't waterproof. Physics works the

1672
01:34:47,175 --> 01:34:50,015
Speaker 4: same way, so there you go. It might look it

1673
01:34:50,095 --> 01:34:52,295
Speaker 4: might be an issue with the duck. Nine times out

1674
01:34:52,295 --> 01:34:55,215
Speaker 4: of ten, it's usually the seam of the flu that's

1675
01:34:55,255 --> 01:34:59,695
Speaker 4: not sealed from the range hood from JK and Dargavill

1676
01:35:00,655 --> 01:35:04,015
Speaker 4: And actually a number of calls have said it's about

1677
01:35:04,055 --> 01:35:07,335
Speaker 4: the seam of the ducting. So I have a look

1678
01:35:07,335 --> 01:35:09,495
Speaker 4: at that, George, next time you're on the roof safely

1679
01:35:10,095 --> 01:35:14,255
Speaker 4: Colin Greetings.

1680
01:35:12,415 --> 01:35:17,295
Speaker 19: Good morning, Hey, hey, just to ask your advice on

1681
01:35:17,935 --> 01:35:21,415
Speaker 19: getting double blazing in. I've got a cup of quotes

1682
01:35:21,455 --> 01:35:24,495
Speaker 19: come through next week for retro fit on an order

1683
01:35:24,495 --> 01:35:28,095
Speaker 19: house which is at nineteen eighty six, and I'm just

1684
01:35:28,175 --> 01:35:30,615
Speaker 19: not sure what I'm doing the right thing. I'm very

1685
01:35:30,615 --> 01:35:32,655
Speaker 19: cold to you in the winter and very hot in

1686
01:35:32,695 --> 01:35:35,775
Speaker 19: the summer, and it's a native frame cout so it

1687
01:35:35,855 --> 01:35:38,655
Speaker 19: hasn't got anything that I can put that. Are they

1688
01:35:38,735 --> 01:35:42,815
Speaker 19: still the heating through? I have two heat pumps, but

1689
01:35:42,895 --> 01:35:45,495
Speaker 19: it's not working as well as I would like it too.

1690
01:35:45,615 --> 01:35:49,255
Speaker 19: So I'm just wondering your ideas on retrofit double glazing.

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01:35:49,495 --> 01:35:52,295
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, look, I could declare an interest. For the

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01:35:52,375 --> 01:35:55,135
Speaker 4: last ten years I've acted as a brand ambassador for

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01:35:55,255 --> 01:35:59,255
Speaker 4: Metro Performance Glass, who do the retro double glazing, and

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01:35:59,495 --> 01:36:03,415
Speaker 4: I do so because I know that double glazing is

1695
01:36:03,415 --> 01:36:05,615
Speaker 4: a really good thing. Right, So the numbers don't like

1696
01:36:06,575 --> 01:36:09,655
Speaker 4: single glazing units let out x amount of energy and

1697
01:36:09,735 --> 01:36:14,215
Speaker 4: double glozing units end up letting out a considerable amount

1698
01:36:14,335 --> 01:36:17,695
Speaker 4: less than that, so they do perform the sciences there,

1699
01:36:17,775 --> 01:36:21,935
Speaker 4: So is double glazing good solution? Yes, And in a

1700
01:36:22,015 --> 01:36:25,135
Speaker 4: house like yours where perhaps you know, if it's an

1701
01:36:25,135 --> 01:36:26,615
Speaker 4: a frame, then you've got large.

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01:36:26,375 --> 01:36:30,455
Speaker 19: Amounts of Yeah. And Neil built home many many many

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01:36:30,495 --> 01:36:33,655
Speaker 19: years ago, and the a frame that is the curse,

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01:36:33,735 --> 01:36:34,695
Speaker 19: to be honest.

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01:36:34,455 --> 01:36:39,735
Speaker 4: But they're a challenging I know, but so yes, and look,

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01:36:39,815 --> 01:36:41,855
Speaker 4: ideally you want to look at other things as well.

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01:36:41,935 --> 01:36:44,735
Speaker 4: Can you add some insulation and have you got reasonable

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01:36:44,735 --> 01:36:47,615
Speaker 4: insulation in the walls and the ceilings and the under floor.

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01:36:47,415 --> 01:36:52,095
Speaker 19: If you can put their phone about eight years ago.

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01:36:53,055 --> 01:36:55,495
Speaker 19: It seems to work sort of too, about a couple

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01:36:55,495 --> 01:36:56,375
Speaker 19: of great degrees.

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01:36:56,455 --> 01:36:56,975
Speaker 10: But note of that.

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01:36:59,295 --> 01:37:02,695
Speaker 4: So yes, you know all of the stuff that I've

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01:37:02,735 --> 01:37:06,535
Speaker 4: read over a number of years now double glazing works, So.

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01:37:06,735 --> 01:37:11,295
Speaker 9: Thanks so much as well.

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01:37:12,775 --> 01:37:15,095
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, good on, good on, you take care of

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01:37:15,135 --> 01:37:19,215
Speaker 4: calling all the best and Graham, Hello there, how are you?

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01:37:19,815 --> 01:37:20,015
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:37:20,655 --> 01:37:24,575
Speaker 22: Thanks Pete. Look what I'm sort of trying to get

1720
01:37:24,975 --> 01:37:28,815
Speaker 22: to the bottom of and hopefully you can help me here.

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01:37:32,055 --> 01:37:35,455
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I think you're Siri or your AI has

1722
01:37:35,495 --> 01:37:43,735
Speaker 4: listened to your conversation and once he wants to get involved. Anyway,

1723
01:37:43,895 --> 01:37:47,895
Speaker 4: I'm not AI. I might not even be that intelligent,

1724
01:37:47,975 --> 01:37:52,495
Speaker 4: but hey, let's let's have a crackit. What's Christian?

1725
01:37:53,495 --> 01:37:57,295
Speaker 22: Look, the problem is about eight years ago I had

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01:37:58,095 --> 01:38:02,775
Speaker 22: nanoclear put on around my blue denim alumen and framing

1727
01:38:02,935 --> 01:38:08,375
Speaker 22: for the windows indoors. Now, what's happened with this stuff?

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01:38:09,215 --> 01:38:14,175
Speaker 22: It's flaked and it's like it's sort of become very scaly.

1729
01:38:15,055 --> 01:38:18,215
Speaker 22: It's got sunburn given to it or something. I don't know,

1730
01:38:19,415 --> 01:38:26,535
Speaker 22: but with the way these the window frames are, it's

1731
01:38:26,615 --> 01:38:29,215
Speaker 22: looking to the stage of I don't know how to

1732
01:38:29,255 --> 01:38:32,135
Speaker 22: treat treat it, to try and get it, get the

1733
01:38:32,175 --> 01:38:35,575
Speaker 22: scaly stuff off, to repaint it. It's all very well,

1734
01:38:35,615 --> 01:38:38,295
Speaker 22: sort of just throwing a bit of sandpaper over it. Look,

1735
01:38:38,335 --> 01:38:39,375
Speaker 22: it's just not going to work.

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01:38:39,535 --> 01:38:43,135
Speaker 4: Graham. What I would suggest is I actually know the

1737
01:38:43,135 --> 01:38:46,095
Speaker 4: guys or some of the people involved, So go back

1738
01:38:46,135 --> 01:38:49,255
Speaker 4: to them, right, go directly back to them, ask them

1739
01:38:49,255 --> 01:38:51,975
Speaker 4: to come out and have a look. If it's a problem,

1740
01:38:52,015 --> 01:38:55,015
Speaker 4: they'll fix it and just go from there. So just

1741
01:38:55,055 --> 01:38:58,255
Speaker 4: go straight back in touch with then OA clear, All right,

1742
01:38:58,815 --> 01:39:03,415
Speaker 4: all this one, Take care, Bob then and Carl, greetings.

1743
01:39:03,975 --> 01:39:07,295
Speaker 23: Good morning. Thanks for tipping me in there. Yeah, just

1744
01:39:07,295 --> 01:39:11,055
Speaker 23: about these healthy homes heating standards, I've done exactly the

1745
01:39:11,095 --> 01:39:13,935
Speaker 23: same as you have. I've set there for days, poking.

1746
01:39:13,735 --> 01:39:16,615
Speaker 4: Numbers in for what type of building.

1747
01:39:18,215 --> 01:39:25,215
Speaker 23: Residential mainly units twenty five twenty seven square meters, and

1748
01:39:25,295 --> 01:39:31,095
Speaker 23: it all comes out to a heat pump a regulation standard.

1749
01:39:31,375 --> 01:39:35,095
Speaker 4: Is in more than two point four kilotts of heating requires.

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01:39:35,015 --> 01:39:38,135
Speaker 23: You're going from a room that needed twenty four killer

1751
01:39:38,215 --> 01:39:42,575
Speaker 23: watts twenty four hundred watts to heat it keep it

1752
01:39:42,615 --> 01:39:46,015
Speaker 23: to that eighteen degrees standard. You go from that to

1753
01:39:46,335 --> 01:39:50,775
Speaker 23: a six kilo heat pump under the recommendations of their

1754
01:39:50,775 --> 01:39:56,855
Speaker 23: heating standard, which is absolutely crazy. And that's just for

1755
01:39:56,975 --> 01:40:04,735
Speaker 23: a standard to bedroom unit unit in town. And the

1756
01:40:04,815 --> 01:40:07,735
Speaker 23: main point you're missed is the the calculations that is

1757
01:40:07,775 --> 01:40:10,975
Speaker 23: all grigged up to have heat pumps in every room

1758
01:40:11,375 --> 01:40:13,895
Speaker 23: in the house and that's.

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01:40:13,695 --> 01:40:18,095
Speaker 4: Not required because the healthy Home standards for heating is

1760
01:40:18,335 --> 01:40:21,295
Speaker 4: simply that you need it. But the requirement is that

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01:40:21,375 --> 01:40:25,535
Speaker 4: you can achieve is eighteen or twenty degrees twenty degrees

1762
01:40:26,335 --> 01:40:30,935
Speaker 4: in living space. Yeah, twenty degrees on the coldest on

1763
01:40:30,975 --> 01:40:32,975
Speaker 4: what they assume is the coldest day of the year,

1764
01:40:34,095 --> 01:40:37,255
Speaker 4: depending on your climatic zone.

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01:40:37,335 --> 01:40:41,495
Speaker 12: Right, the gug glader's rigged out to.

1766
01:40:43,615 --> 01:40:45,295
Speaker 23: Recommend a heat pump be put in.

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01:40:47,895 --> 01:40:50,655
Speaker 4: I'm not going to leak to that conclusion. If you

1768
01:40:50,695 --> 01:40:53,215
Speaker 4: want to go there, you can. All I'm saying is

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01:40:53,255 --> 01:40:58,255
Speaker 4: that in this particular instance, right, So this very specific

1770
01:40:58,295 --> 01:41:01,335
Speaker 4: building that I've been involved with quite a bit over

1771
01:41:01,335 --> 01:41:04,455
Speaker 4: the last couple of months, I went, I visited it,

1772
01:41:04,575 --> 01:41:08,735
Speaker 4: I measured it, I used I looked at the Healthy

1773
01:41:08,735 --> 01:41:11,495
Speaker 4: Homes assessments that have been done by two other people,

1774
01:41:11,695 --> 01:41:14,175
Speaker 4: both of whom were not known to each other, So

1775
01:41:14,335 --> 01:41:18,415
Speaker 4: two independent assessments producing two different results. Both of those

1776
01:41:18,495 --> 01:41:21,455
Speaker 4: results it was either like three point six and four

1777
01:41:21,495 --> 01:41:26,855
Speaker 4: point four heating requirement. And then I use the tool,

1778
01:41:26,935 --> 01:41:29,535
Speaker 4: but I fudged the numbers. I'll be quite honest about that,

1779
01:41:29,935 --> 01:41:32,735
Speaker 4: because if you're talking about a floor in an apartment,

1780
01:41:32,815 --> 01:41:35,175
Speaker 4: it's not like a floor in a standard building, where

1781
01:41:35,215 --> 01:41:38,735
Speaker 4: it might be an unconditioned space below right. It's even

1782
01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:41,455
Speaker 4: if it was uninhabited, it's still going to perform differently

1783
01:41:41,535 --> 01:41:44,655
Speaker 4: to an open space. So I kind of fudge them,

1784
01:41:44,775 --> 01:41:47,295
Speaker 4: and I got a number of a heating requirement what

1785
01:41:47,415 --> 01:41:51,295
Speaker 4: I felt intuitively based on my own experience, and that

1786
01:41:52,015 --> 01:41:54,535
Speaker 4: it would probably be somewhere around one to one point two.

1787
01:41:55,015 --> 01:41:57,975
Speaker 4: And that's roughly the number that I got. That confirmed

1788
01:41:58,015 --> 01:42:01,495
Speaker 4: my suspicion that the tool is not nuanced enough to

1789
01:42:01,575 --> 01:42:05,775
Speaker 4: deal with apartments. So we then sent it to an

1790
01:42:06,415 --> 01:42:12,495
Speaker 4: end and qualified heating assessment basically heating scientist right for

1791
01:42:12,535 --> 01:42:15,255
Speaker 4: one of a better term, who did energy modeling of

1792
01:42:15,375 --> 01:42:18,015
Speaker 4: the building and came back with a figure, and that

1793
01:42:18,055 --> 01:42:23,335
Speaker 4: figure was zero point five seven killer watts of heating required.

1794
01:42:24,055 --> 01:42:25,975
Speaker 4: So what's going to be really interesting is that, I

1795
01:42:26,015 --> 01:42:29,015
Speaker 4: guess for the property owner they can take that report

1796
01:42:29,135 --> 01:42:33,135
Speaker 4: because you know, I mean, you'd have to have a

1797
01:42:33,135 --> 01:42:35,615
Speaker 4: similar level of qualification to the person who wrote the

1798
01:42:35,655 --> 01:42:38,655
Speaker 4: report in order to dispute the findings, right, And I

1799
01:42:38,655 --> 01:42:42,415
Speaker 4: don't think most people involved in healthy Homes assessments have

1800
01:42:42,495 --> 01:42:46,415
Speaker 4: that level of qualification, in which case there's some there's

1801
01:42:46,775 --> 01:42:51,775
Speaker 4: credentials qualification and a result that would indicate zero point

1802
01:42:51,855 --> 01:42:54,975
Speaker 4: five seven killer watts of heating is sufficient, and then

1803
01:42:55,015 --> 01:42:58,095
Speaker 4: you attach that to the healthy Homes report and say

1804
01:42:58,095 --> 01:43:00,535
Speaker 4: this is the figure that I'm using, and I'm going

1805
01:43:00,575 --> 01:43:02,615
Speaker 4: to stand by that, and if you want to challenge it,

1806
01:43:02,695 --> 01:43:06,895
Speaker 4: go and get your own building scientists to do a modeling.

1807
01:43:07,095 --> 01:43:11,015
Speaker 4: So but you know, like I'm letting, it's the it's

1808
01:43:11,055 --> 01:43:14,335
Speaker 4: the professionals, right who are doing this now, and that's

1809
01:43:14,375 --> 01:43:16,815
Speaker 4: the result. And I think that's really really interesting, and

1810
01:43:16,855 --> 01:43:18,775
Speaker 4: I think it's going to raise a lot of questions

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01:43:19,175 --> 01:43:23,735
Speaker 4: around how we do the heating calculations for apartments in particular,

1812
01:43:24,095 --> 01:43:27,175
Speaker 4: because again, and I hesitate to say this, I don't

1813
01:43:27,255 --> 01:43:31,175
Speaker 4: think the existing online tool is nuanced enough to give

1814
01:43:31,295 --> 01:43:36,015
Speaker 4: an accurate reading, is my opinion? Really appreciate you, Cal,

1815
01:43:36,175 --> 01:43:38,455
Speaker 4: I think we might talk about this again next week

1816
01:43:38,495 --> 01:43:41,535
Speaker 4: on the show, because right now I'm actually looking at

1817
01:43:41,575 --> 01:43:44,135
Speaker 4: my ol box designs from Wingspan. So let's get into

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01:43:44,175 --> 01:43:46,175
Speaker 4: the garden. Redclinb past on the way.

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