1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Uniquely for you on. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: The Huddle this evening' got Allie Jones, read PR fellow 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Riley Iron Duke Partners and former Boss of Business New Zealand. 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Hire you too, How you doing? 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: I go, Ali, what do you think? Good idea? 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 3: No? 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 4: In fact, I can't even believe that you did that interview, Heather. 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 4: I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life. 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 4: I mean, what next? Are they going to make their 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 4: kids go to state schools so that you know, their 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 4: kids can experience you know, state schools. 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: So actually alike it and Angelo they can send their 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: kids to public schools too. 15 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 4: Oh, how bloody ridiculous. What are they going to do? 16 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: Make them move into low socioeconomic housing areas as well 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: sell their cars so they've got to walk and catch 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 4: the train that Julianne's banging on about. No, I mean 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 4: all this is is just basically trying to get into 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 4: the news, and I'm really pleased that they have, but 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: it's a ridiculous idea. 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 23 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: Well yeah, I think it's the sun and you know 24 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: there's somewhere forty percent for zero percent of all New 25 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: Zealanders have some sort of health insurance, which demonstrates what 26 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: they're saying is completely wrong. That cannot be by definition 27 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: only wealthy New Zealanders. It must be working people and 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: so on. And of course what's also happening is that 29 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: health insurance is not just for its four sorts of things, 30 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: whether it's for dental care or for major medical emergency 31 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: and so on, and then actually helps New Zealand. In Australia, 32 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: they take this so seriously that they give you an 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: tax incentive to go and get private health insurance because 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: they know that that takes pressure off the public system. 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: So it's a silly thing to say, and I think 36 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: actually we should be proud that New Zealanders and such 37 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: numbers are prepared to take out an investment on making 38 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: sure that they just get the best care they possibly 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: can to celebrate, So I. 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 4: Think you know and have this is something people aren't 41 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: talking about. It's not only the politicians that make these decisions, 42 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: which is what you know. These people are wanting the 43 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: politicians to be aware of what the public health systems 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: like you are you to make all the bureaucrats that 45 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: write the reports and see them too. The policy you're 46 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: going to make them experience the public health system. It 47 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: doesn't make sense, I think. 48 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: And the thing I suppose that it seems feel that 49 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: they believe that politicians are not motivated by trying to 50 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: do the best thing for the country, right, Like the 51 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: insinuation is if they don't have skin in the game, 52 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: then they're going to make crappy decisions for us, whereas 53 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: if they have skin in the game, they'll actually try. 54 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: But I believe politicians, even if I disagree with them, 55 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: are actually trying. 56 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: Don't you think that's exactly right? That's what's a stunt. 57 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know have a single politician of 58 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: any for I don't have many, many thousands probably over 59 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: the years now that didn't take these kinds of things 60 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: seriously and didn't what weren't trying to do their very 61 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: best for New Zealanders. They've got three different views about 62 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: how to do that. But of course, what we all 63 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: need to understand is we want money, lots of money 64 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: spent on all sorts of things, and the nature of 65 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: politics is it's about choices, and literally it's about rationing. 66 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: We can't have a four lane highway everywhere either, because 67 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 3: politicians are rationing in a pretty rational fashion usually how 68 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: that money might be spent. And I think we should 69 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: give them a bit more respect than that allow them 70 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: to carry on their private lives, and they should call 71 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: them to account for the perform that they have about 72 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 3: creating a great health system rather than some performative thing 73 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: some stunt about whether they have private joans or not. 74 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 2: You're right now, Alie. Do you think people who don't 75 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: remember to enroll before voting day should be prohibited from voting? 76 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: No? 77 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: I don't, But I really hate that comment from Seymour. 78 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: I mean, who uses words like dropkick these days? And 79 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 4: you know these people are meant to be professional and statesman. 80 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: But I heard that and just cringed, and he's just 81 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: opening himself up and the argument actually to huge criticism. 82 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: I do agree with missus Goldsmith talking about how this 83 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: takes the pressure off come election day. I mean, we 84 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: saw it last time. It just takes a long time 85 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: to process everything when you're also processing so many people, 86 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: you know, enrolling on the day. So I do support it, Phil. 87 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the right thing to do. Bear 88 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: in mind Australia, as ye is twice as long. Even 89 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: what's that on forteen days now Australias got twenty eight. 90 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: And I think the voting voting is not just a right, 91 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: it's also a responsibility. 92 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: And I think if you're going to take it to 93 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: realize how many people might lose the ability to vote 94 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: as a result of this, well stupidity. But still I. 95 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: Don't think it is. I don't think it's going to 96 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: be that big because human nature is content wait till 97 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: the last minute to enroll, and it's the last one 98 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: of the sporting days out not on the day. I 99 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: think you'll find quite a few more people I think 100 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: will actually get roll. 101 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I mean people will see the deadline 102 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: and some of them will get their a energy. But 103 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: what if it is fill as big as three hundred 104 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: thousand people, which Paul Goldsmith was a number that he 105 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: pulled out, that's massive. 106 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: Well, first, I doubt it is that big. But even 107 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: if it is, as I say, voting is a responsibility 108 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: as well as a right, if you're not prepared to 109 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: take the responsibility, tesh, you look at what the policies 110 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: are to register yourself in good time and to enable 111 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: the electoral result to be known more quickly than was 112 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: the case last time. I think that's good for the country. Either. 113 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: It's not part of our life though, right, why aren't 114 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 4: we teaching civics and schools? I mean that's another thing. 115 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: People don't understand what's going on, and I think it 116 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: was Actually if it was actually a part of our curriculum, 117 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 4: then people would be able to carry that toront out 118 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: or and they might enroll. 119 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: You don't think people already know Ali, they see the 120 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: Orange man, they know that's that's part of the job 121 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: that I think they just can't be They know that. 122 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: They don't care. Now you're right, they don't care. But 123 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: what I'm saying is, if you're teaching civics and school 124 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: you can actually explain to people how important it is 125 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 4: the exercise that democratic right. 126 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 5: Okay, I see I am going soft to my old day, 127 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 5: the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones 128 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: for unmassed results. 129 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: Hither you have become soft. You shouldn't have read Justinder's book. 130 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: That was my mistake, Dennis, that was bang on. That 131 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: was my mistake. She's gotten to my head. Actually, I'll 132 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: talk about a book I'm reading in just a minute, Phil, Okay, 133 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: do we want to talk. 134 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: About Adrian or. 135 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: If you want, should Neil quickly could well? Is the 136 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: just the whole thing was just a mess, wasn't it 137 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: the way the whole thing was handled. So where I 138 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: think Neil Quickly should be considering how he reacted and 139 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: what he should do about it was not necessarily because 140 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: maybe someone was mislead, maybe he didn't disclose something was 141 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: the whole process was a bit of a mess, and 142 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: it shouldn't have been because, of course, the confidence of 143 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: the financial markets is very much defined by the Reserve 144 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 3: Bank being seen as very stable and above board. So 145 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: it was the whole way the thing was treated that 146 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: I think got everybody in trouble. And the fact we're 147 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: still raking over the coals just demonstrate. 148 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: But the only reason we're raking over the coals fill 149 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: because they didn't tell us everything up front, right, And 150 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: then you go you OIA the Treasury, you get a 151 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: whole bunch of documents, but you don't get this, and 152 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: you go back in u OIA again. Now you get 153 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: this email. It's just it's just it really is making 154 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: them look like they tried to hide it. 155 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: Well that's exactly right, and whether they did or not, 156 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: and I, you know, I had a lot of trust 157 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: and place in ner Quickly. He's a very high quality 158 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: New Zealander. But that sort of process is just unacceptable 159 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: in a public position of the type that the Reserve 160 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: Bank governor is, you know, So you can't just hide 161 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: behind privacy and say, wow, I'm not going to see here. No, 162 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: you need to explain to the markets and to everybody else, 163 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: because the Reserve Bank's so important in all of our 164 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: lives exactly what happened in otherwise you'll get people not 165 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: having confidence in the Reserve Bank. So that's really what 166 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: I think Neil Quickly and the Board of the Reserve 167 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: Bank should be thinking about did we do that right? 168 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: What should be the consequences of that? And you know, 169 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: does that matter resignation? I don't know the answer the question, 170 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: but that's really the conversation I think, rather than you know, what, 171 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: was there a misleading conversation about a particular statement that 172 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: was made? 173 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: Alie, what do you think? 174 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 175 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 4: Look, I agree, Look I think this is front footing 176 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: now I think that they were I mean, if I 177 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: was advising them, they need to come out it needs 178 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: to be in there, Culpra. I don't think this is 179 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 4: a sackable offense. I get very tired of people wanting 180 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: people's heads on sticks. People make mistakes, and I think 181 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: this was a mistake. It was poorly handled, as you said, Phil, 182 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: but I think now they need to come out and 183 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: say that and own it and allow everyone to move on. 184 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: And by not actually doing that, as you said earlier here, 185 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: that this is just going on and on and on 186 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: enough already. 187 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with that all right now. I'm feeling 188 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: reasonably chuffed with ourselves, with all of us collectively, Phil, 189 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: for the way that we've handled the transgender rules, the 190 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: inclusive you know, the participation in community sport without it 191 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: getting ugly. 192 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I think we are Issually 193 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: we managed to dodge I think you you're right about 194 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: dodging a bottle of this because in other countries in 195 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: the UK, of the US and so on, it's just 196 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: turned into a mess. And I actually agree what the 197 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: government's trying to do here, even that, even if I 198 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: wasn't trying to be anti woke, you know, in the 199 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: way that they are will certainly the New Zealand first 200 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: guys are because I think it should be down to 201 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: a decision of the sport, given the kind of the 202 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: best basic nature of each individual sport. And I was 203 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: thinking this afternoon, there's a big difference between rugby on 204 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: the one hand, a contact sport, and snooker. So maybe 205 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: if you're the head of the snooker sport, you say, well, 206 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: here's here's some rules because it doesn't matter so much. 207 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: But in the case of rugby, there's a physical safety 208 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: issue involved, so you can have a different think about that. 209 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: And I think so, I think it should be that 210 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: left down to each individual sport, but I think they're 211 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 3: over things should be that people should be able to participate. 212 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: Of course that's the idea, but you know the different 213 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: sports that act in different ways, and so you've just 214 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 3: got to I think it's the right thing that comments, 215 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: don't you. 216 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali, I agree, And at least you know it 217 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: didn't go full ugly like it was going to go 218 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: with Winston Peters wanted to withhold funding and stuff like that. 219 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: Ah No, I agree, but and I agree with you 220 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: as well, and Phil, I think they have dodged a bullet. 221 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 4: But my question is I'm going to sound like Luckson. Now, 222 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 4: my question to you is, should we have dodged the bullet? 223 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: Is this about dodging a bullet? What I get frustrated 224 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 4: about is that no one seems to be prepared to 225 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: have a conversation about these things. And the more we 226 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: dodge the bullet and the more we don't talk about it, 227 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: the more we don't actually get it out into the 228 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: old we are we. 229 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: Are going to have the conversation because every single sport 230 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: is going to have to have the conversation, right, so 231 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: the hard stuff? 232 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: Actually yeah, but is that fair too? I mean, by 233 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 4: removing the guidelines, you're essentially going not our problem and 234 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 4: handing it over to each individual group. Now, is it 235 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: fair for each individual group and their community to be 236 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 4: able to or have to be dealing with it in 237 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 4: in their community? 238 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: You have politicians can't just make one rule for as 239 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: Phil was saying, rugby that also applies to snooker. 240 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 4: No, and you don't have to. So the guidelines should 241 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 4: have taken that into consideration. I think that's pretty slack 242 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: of the government. Yeah, I think they should have provided 243 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: the guidelines and then allowed the organization some movement within those. 244 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: But the conversation's got to be had. We can't keep 245 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 4: dodging the bullet. 246 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, listen, Yes, I. 247 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: Think it's I think it's the best handled closest to 248 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: those participating in the sport bureaucrats in Wellington deciding what 249 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: should or should not happen actually is what leads to 250 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: those kinds of arguments. I think it's much better to 251 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: be done by sports people and by sports administrators closer 252 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: to the action, closer to their communities, and they'll see 253 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: what's acceptable to their communities and they'll be able to 254 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: handle that. So I actually think it's the right thing 255 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: to do, not just in terms of result of getting 256 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: it out, but also in terms of resolving it. 257 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: Guys, lovely to chat to the pair of you. Thank you, Phillo, Riley, 258 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: Alli Jones the huddle this evening. Hither they teach Civics 259 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 2: in American high school. That's gone well, hasn't it? 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