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Speaker 1: New data on just what a mess we've got with gas.

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Speaker 1: Business New Zealand Energy Council tells us this morning, nearly

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Speaker 1: half of the gas using businesses have produced operations, increased

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Speaker 1: prices or and or cut stuff. Immediate actions needed. But

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Speaker 1: what action? There's the question. Tina Share as the executive

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Speaker 1: director of Business New Zealand Energy Council and is with us.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. I know the major users met

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Speaker 1: with Shane Jones on Friday. Did anything come out of it?

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Speaker 1: I mean short of going we're running out of gas.

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Speaker 1: We're running out of gas. We are running out of gas.

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Speaker 1: What do we do?

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Speaker 2: Well? It's actually on Friday we had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a different format. We had for the first time a

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Speaker 2: guess your userforum am held with us and Optimi toget

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Speaker 2: it and it was more for the smaller, medium sized users.

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Speaker 2: So we had some major users in the room, but

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Speaker 2: let's just say out of the one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: ninety percent was probably more your you know, brewing companies,

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Speaker 2: Tomato grows food producers that are producing cereal and that

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Speaker 2: sort of production, So quite a different audience and therefore

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Speaker 2: probably people that are not often heard about the gas

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Speaker 2: situation idea was obviously.

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Speaker 1: But some important point is it's all very well sitting

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Speaker 1: around in a room saying we're running out of gas.

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Speaker 1: Is anything that's being done about it? Can any won't

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Speaker 1: do anything about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, there was a little bit of that that we

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Speaker 2: talked about. The problem which is its well known and

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Speaker 2: often the smaller ones are probably hit harder because they

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Speaker 2: have maybe less opportunity to get to other technologies away

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Speaker 2: from it. But there is there is actually some business

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Speaker 2: that can convert. So you have about forty percent that

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Speaker 2: don't really see commercially viable in the next five years,

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Speaker 2: but there is also a chunk that could convert if

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Speaker 2: you do remove things like some of the costs barriers,

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Speaker 2: or if you help with infrastructure being built and upgraded around.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is that you just mentioned the next

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Speaker 2: two years. Even if they do convert the next two years,

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Speaker 2: something like that is not happening overnight.

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Speaker 1: And when you say can book convert to what.

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Speaker 2: We have, for example biogas or for example electricity, it's

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Speaker 2: probably the most two common things that are always discussed

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Speaker 2: when you think of conversion or or more energy efficiency production.

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Speaker 2: So you had also eca in a room, which is

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Speaker 2: promoting more energy efficiency production. And when you say what

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Speaker 2: sort of things we are discussed in terms of solutions,

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Speaker 2: they thinking of, you know, going on site inspecting our business,

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Speaker 2: what the what are the business opportunities in terms of

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Speaker 2: conversion and then heading in some ideas. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: wasn't I think they're also slowly thinking about potentially concessional

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Speaker 2: loans and so actually low interest loans to help business.

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Speaker 2: Maybe converting.

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Speaker 1: Can be blunt and suggesced. I'm not suggesting, I'm siging.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, as a devil's advocate, is this not

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Speaker 1: the price of business? I mean, if you need to convert,

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Speaker 1: you need to convert, and that's the cost of doing business,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, no one really saw how steep this reduction is

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Speaker 2: going to be in the last two years, right. I

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Speaker 2: feel like there was a little bit of a writing

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Speaker 2: on the world with reduction over the last let's just say,

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Speaker 2: five to ten years in sort of like a moderate level,

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Speaker 2: but not as steep as we saw it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, to appreciate it, ten to share who's

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