1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at. 3 00:00:11,653 --> 00:00:16,493 Speaker 2: B David belt Archi is one of the world's favorite storytellers. 4 00:00:16,693 --> 00:00:19,933 Speaker 2: He's written more than fifty books, and his specialist knowledge 5 00:00:19,933 --> 00:00:22,933 Speaker 2: of the US political system and law make his stories 6 00:00:22,933 --> 00:00:27,613 Speaker 2: international best sellers. His newest book is called Nash Falls. 7 00:00:27,853 --> 00:00:30,013 Speaker 2: It introduces a new character and is the start of 8 00:00:30,053 --> 00:00:33,893 Speaker 2: a brand new pulse Pounding series. And David is with 9 00:00:33,973 --> 00:00:35,653 Speaker 2: us this morning. Calder, Welcome to the show. 10 00:00:36,573 --> 00:00:37,573 Speaker 3: Thank you. It's great to be on. 11 00:00:37,813 --> 00:00:40,053 Speaker 2: Great to be speaking with you. Well, just a few 12 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:42,533 Speaker 2: months after your first visit to New Zealand as well, 13 00:00:42,613 --> 00:00:44,933 Speaker 2: so it's really good for our audience to be hearing 14 00:00:44,933 --> 00:00:47,453 Speaker 2: from you once again. Tell us a little bit about 15 00:00:47,573 --> 00:00:51,013 Speaker 2: nash Falls, because this is an entirely new character. 16 00:00:52,413 --> 00:00:54,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, Walter Nash is und like any character I've written about. 17 00:00:54,773 --> 00:00:56,333 Speaker 3: He's not in the military, he's not an age and 18 00:00:56,413 --> 00:00:59,493 Speaker 3: or a detective. He's never lifted a weight, he's never 19 00:00:59,573 --> 00:01:02,293 Speaker 3: fired a gun and anger. He's a businessman, very successful, 20 00:01:02,373 --> 00:01:05,253 Speaker 3: has a nice life with his wife and teenage daughter. 21 00:01:06,413 --> 00:01:08,813 Speaker 3: Arrangement's father who just recently passed away. He was a 22 00:01:08,893 --> 00:01:13,293 Speaker 3: Vietnam veteran, and at the night of the father's funeral 23 00:01:13,933 --> 00:01:15,733 Speaker 3: at his home, very late at night, Nash is the 24 00:01:15,733 --> 00:01:18,853 Speaker 3: only one awake. An FBI agent all of a sudden 25 00:01:18,853 --> 00:01:21,013 Speaker 3: shows up and tells Nash that the company he's working 26 00:01:21,053 --> 00:01:24,293 Speaker 3: for is actually part of the criminal organization and they 27 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:26,413 Speaker 3: want him to help them take it down. So he 28 00:01:26,453 --> 00:01:29,733 Speaker 3: gives nation choice work with us, because if you don't, 29 00:01:29,773 --> 00:01:31,533 Speaker 3: you're going to go down. And if you work with us, 30 00:01:31,573 --> 00:01:33,413 Speaker 3: you're going to have to give everything you have. So 31 00:01:33,453 --> 00:01:36,973 Speaker 3: it's really quite the Hobson's choice. You know, no matter 32 00:01:37,013 --> 00:01:38,573 Speaker 3: what choice he makes is going to be the end 33 00:01:38,573 --> 00:01:39,613 Speaker 3: of Walter Nash. 34 00:01:39,773 --> 00:01:42,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is a tricky choice to make, and 35 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:45,133 Speaker 2: I'm sure viewers will get our listeners will have a 36 00:01:45,133 --> 00:01:47,453 Speaker 2: good sense of where he might go with that. But 37 00:01:47,653 --> 00:01:49,933 Speaker 2: where do you come up with this kind of concept? 38 00:01:49,933 --> 00:01:55,013 Speaker 2: Because obviously, you know your stories deal with conspiracies and 39 00:01:55,053 --> 00:01:57,773 Speaker 2: with power and with law enforcement a lot of the time. 40 00:01:57,773 --> 00:02:01,053 Speaker 2: But where did you get the idea of Walter Nash? 41 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:03,733 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been writing a long time and 42 00:02:03,813 --> 00:02:06,813 Speaker 3: one of my chief things that I do to keep 43 00:02:06,813 --> 00:02:09,533 Speaker 3: myself motivated just to challenge myself, try something new, get 44 00:02:09,573 --> 00:02:12,693 Speaker 3: out of my comfort zone create characters I haven't created before, 45 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:15,853 Speaker 3: and so Walter Nash is sort of my experiment of 46 00:02:16,333 --> 00:02:20,253 Speaker 3: I could take a human being and suddenly rip everything 47 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:23,133 Speaker 3: away that they've had in their life and see how 48 00:02:23,213 --> 00:02:25,933 Speaker 3: they can keep going, how they can pick themselves back up, 49 00:02:26,373 --> 00:02:30,573 Speaker 3: and how resilient they are. And interesting is in a 50 00:02:30,653 --> 00:02:33,013 Speaker 3: novel to see how a fictional character could do that. 51 00:02:33,253 --> 00:02:35,813 Speaker 3: And that was my test with Walter Nash. I could 52 00:02:35,813 --> 00:02:37,733 Speaker 3: push this guy not just up against the wall, but 53 00:02:37,813 --> 00:02:39,573 Speaker 3: through the wall and see what he would do. 54 00:02:39,813 --> 00:02:40,013 Speaker 1: Yeah. 55 00:02:40,093 --> 00:02:43,173 Speaker 2: So is that there's quite a deliberate decision. You challenge 56 00:02:43,173 --> 00:02:46,333 Speaker 2: yourself to get outside of your comfort zone for creative purposes. 57 00:02:47,293 --> 00:02:49,293 Speaker 3: You really have to, Otherwise you're just going to become 58 00:02:49,293 --> 00:02:51,573 Speaker 3: a book factory where you're writing the same plot and 59 00:02:51,613 --> 00:02:53,533 Speaker 3: over and over again, but just changing the names. I 60 00:02:54,053 --> 00:02:55,933 Speaker 3: never want to do that. I'd be bored writing it 61 00:02:55,973 --> 00:02:57,053 Speaker 3: and you'd be bored reading it. 62 00:02:57,213 --> 00:02:59,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so good. So do you see this becoming 63 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:01,013 Speaker 2: a series of sorts? Do you know it? 64 00:03:01,053 --> 00:03:04,093 Speaker 3: Then? Early on there will be at the end of 65 00:03:04,093 --> 00:03:06,773 Speaker 3: the hardcover for Nash Falls their first two chants of 66 00:03:06,773 --> 00:03:09,373 Speaker 3: a book called Hope Rises, which is the sequel, and 67 00:03:09,413 --> 00:03:11,373 Speaker 3: that will be out in April of next year. And 68 00:03:11,653 --> 00:03:14,333 Speaker 3: I could not finish this book in just one single volume, 69 00:03:14,493 --> 00:03:17,093 Speaker 3: had to be two novels, and you will learn a 70 00:03:17,093 --> 00:03:20,493 Speaker 3: lot more about Walter Nash and Victoria Steers, his protagonist 71 00:03:20,573 --> 00:03:22,733 Speaker 3: in the next novel, So that one is done. And 72 00:03:23,093 --> 00:03:26,253 Speaker 3: I wanted readers in Nash Falls to be able to 73 00:03:26,253 --> 00:03:28,653 Speaker 3: get a few chapters at the end about Hope Rises, 74 00:03:28,893 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 3: so they can have that sort of bridge between the 75 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:31,053 Speaker 3: two books. 76 00:03:31,333 --> 00:03:35,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh fantastic. So, like I said, your stories often 77 00:03:35,973 --> 00:03:40,853 Speaker 2: involve power and the use of power. How are you 78 00:03:41,013 --> 00:03:45,653 Speaker 2: thinking about your storytelling in this specific moment, because it 79 00:03:45,653 --> 00:03:48,613 Speaker 2: feels like, you know, when we are considering who wields 80 00:03:48,653 --> 00:03:51,573 Speaker 2: power and how power is being exercised, not just in 81 00:03:51,613 --> 00:03:53,533 Speaker 2: the US, but around the world at the moment that 82 00:03:53,613 --> 00:03:57,453 Speaker 2: we are at a moment of significant change, we are. 83 00:03:57,373 --> 00:04:00,413 Speaker 3: You know, and I think money equates with power great wealth, 84 00:04:00,413 --> 00:04:04,173 Speaker 3: which we have enormous concentrated pockets of wealth around the world. 85 00:04:04,213 --> 00:04:07,693 Speaker 3: Certainly we have that in the United States, and I 86 00:04:07,693 --> 00:04:10,853 Speaker 3: don't think we've ever had a closer nexus between great 87 00:04:10,893 --> 00:04:13,533 Speaker 3: wealth and political power, at least in my country, than 88 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:16,573 Speaker 3: we have right now. And for a lot of people 89 00:04:16,613 --> 00:04:20,293 Speaker 3: it's very disconcerting. You know, if you're enormously wealthy, you 90 00:04:20,373 --> 00:04:22,533 Speaker 3: have your own agenda and the means to influence people 91 00:04:22,573 --> 00:04:24,973 Speaker 3: and politics to get laws passed will help you. And 92 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:27,773 Speaker 3: we're definitely seeing that happen right now. No matter whether 93 00:04:27,813 --> 00:04:31,053 Speaker 3: it's good for everyone else or not. If it's good 94 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:33,173 Speaker 3: for the wealthy people, then they have the means and 95 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:35,773 Speaker 3: the resources to get laws and acted that will help them, 96 00:04:36,453 --> 00:04:39,293 Speaker 3: or laws that ignored will also help them. So it's 97 00:04:39,933 --> 00:04:42,693 Speaker 3: it's quite a challenging time right now. I mean great 98 00:04:42,733 --> 00:04:45,213 Speaker 3: for fiction writers because you know, I only have to 99 00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:48,813 Speaker 3: write about things are plausible, and I would challenge anyone 100 00:04:49,173 --> 00:04:52,053 Speaker 3: to say that what I'm writing about is not plausible 101 00:04:52,053 --> 00:04:53,613 Speaker 3: if you just look at the events going on in 102 00:04:53,653 --> 00:04:55,053 Speaker 3: the real world. 103 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:58,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's it. It sometimes feels like, you know, 104 00:04:58,533 --> 00:05:01,533 Speaker 2: a lot of the institutions that for a long time, 105 00:05:01,653 --> 00:05:05,853 Speaker 2: outside observers have sort of felt, would you know, would 106 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:10,213 Speaker 2: provide a check on certain parts of the executive certainly 107 00:05:10,213 --> 00:05:12,973 Speaker 2: in other parts of the US government, of perhaps acting 108 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:15,373 Speaker 2: in ways that we haven't seen before, and that certain 109 00:05:15,413 --> 00:05:18,693 Speaker 2: individuals have a degree of impunity when it comes to 110 00:05:18,773 --> 00:05:21,413 Speaker 2: exercising power. Do you personally feel worried by it. 111 00:05:22,733 --> 00:05:24,453 Speaker 3: I did, you know, I do every day. I mean, 112 00:05:24,533 --> 00:05:27,733 Speaker 3: the founding fathers did not build this country to be 113 00:05:27,813 --> 00:05:30,013 Speaker 3: that way. That's why we had three branches governments so 114 00:05:30,013 --> 00:05:32,933 Speaker 3: they could out checks and balances on the other The 115 00:05:32,973 --> 00:05:35,573 Speaker 3: one thing they were terribly concerned about was an unshocked 116 00:05:35,573 --> 00:05:39,933 Speaker 3: executive power, which we seem to have right now. Look, 117 00:05:40,013 --> 00:05:42,853 Speaker 3: I don't care what country you live in. If you're 118 00:05:42,853 --> 00:05:45,093 Speaker 3: a student of history, you will realize that when you 119 00:05:45,133 --> 00:05:47,533 Speaker 3: put all your faith in one leader to make all 120 00:05:47,533 --> 00:05:49,893 Speaker 3: the decisions and no one will challenge that leader, it 121 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:53,093 Speaker 3: never ends well for anyone. So why should we expect 122 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:54,013 Speaker 3: it to end well today? 123 00:05:54,253 --> 00:05:54,493 Speaker 1: Yeah? 124 00:05:54,533 --> 00:05:58,053 Speaker 2: That's interesting. Do you think that because of your writing 125 00:05:58,093 --> 00:06:02,693 Speaker 2: and storytelling, the way in which you observe the world 126 00:06:02,773 --> 00:06:04,693 Speaker 2: and the way in which you kind of observe these 127 00:06:04,733 --> 00:06:07,893 Speaker 2: extraordinary times differs from you know, the average person who 128 00:06:08,013 --> 00:06:10,013 Speaker 2: might just be getting news updates and that kind of thing. 129 00:06:10,933 --> 00:06:12,533 Speaker 3: I absolutely do. I mean I look at it as an 130 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:14,733 Speaker 3: opportunities for stories that I can tell, but I also 131 00:06:14,773 --> 00:06:17,133 Speaker 3: look at it as for I try to take, you know, 132 00:06:17,853 --> 00:06:20,173 Speaker 3: at a macro level, all the enormous things that are 133 00:06:20,173 --> 00:06:25,613 Speaker 3: going on. AI crypto, powerful politicians, enormous wealth. That's interesting 134 00:06:25,613 --> 00:06:27,933 Speaker 3: to write about. But what makes it truly interesting is 135 00:06:27,973 --> 00:06:32,653 Speaker 3: writing about stories where those sorts of things impact everyday people. Yeah, 136 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:34,933 Speaker 3: that's where you can bring it into people's homes and 137 00:06:34,973 --> 00:06:36,653 Speaker 3: so they can look at it and ask the question, 138 00:06:36,773 --> 00:06:38,773 Speaker 3: my god, what would I do if that were me? 139 00:06:39,693 --> 00:06:40,893 Speaker 3: Which really makes people. 140 00:06:40,693 --> 00:06:43,133 Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, you're listening to Jack Tam I'm speaking to 141 00:06:43,213 --> 00:06:47,213 Speaker 2: David Baldaci about his latest thriller. It's called Nash Falls. 142 00:06:47,573 --> 00:06:50,453 Speaker 2: Do you think when in observing the world as you do, 143 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:55,973 Speaker 2: that you are able to not necessarily predict the future, 144 00:06:56,013 --> 00:06:59,053 Speaker 2: but you're able to view things in a historical context 145 00:06:59,333 --> 00:07:00,733 Speaker 2: in a way that perhaps others don't. 146 00:07:01,893 --> 00:07:04,693 Speaker 3: I think it's I think everyone should read more history 147 00:07:04,733 --> 00:07:08,453 Speaker 3: because history will deaf and only give you good guidance 148 00:07:08,493 --> 00:07:11,093 Speaker 3: in the president and in the future, because things happen 149 00:07:11,133 --> 00:07:13,293 Speaker 3: over and over again. The one thing that remain static 150 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:16,373 Speaker 3: throughout history as human beings. You know, Shakespeare centuries ago 151 00:07:16,373 --> 00:07:19,253 Speaker 3: I wrote about people who are petty and jealous and hatred, 152 00:07:19,373 --> 00:07:21,933 Speaker 3: were full of hate and anger, and today we have 153 00:07:22,093 --> 00:07:24,213 Speaker 3: the same. So it's just a different sort of stage, 154 00:07:24,253 --> 00:07:26,653 Speaker 3: but the same actors playing the roles. So I think 155 00:07:26,813 --> 00:07:30,253 Speaker 3: historical perspective is truly important. And I read a lot 156 00:07:30,253 --> 00:07:33,493 Speaker 3: of history over time, which makes me realize the times 157 00:07:33,493 --> 00:07:35,333 Speaker 3: when we're in right now are quite frightening. 158 00:07:35,493 --> 00:07:37,973 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you feel optimistic for your country? 159 00:07:39,173 --> 00:07:39,653 Speaker 3: Have to be? 160 00:07:40,013 --> 00:07:40,213 Speaker 2: You know? 161 00:07:40,533 --> 00:07:43,053 Speaker 3: I feel like there are enough good Americans out there 162 00:07:43,053 --> 00:07:46,133 Speaker 3: who they don't. I think they think this is not 163 00:07:46,213 --> 00:07:47,973 Speaker 3: who we are, what we want to be, This is 164 00:07:48,013 --> 00:07:49,973 Speaker 3: not what we envision this country to be, This is 165 00:07:50,013 --> 00:07:51,973 Speaker 3: not what we fought all those worse over the years 166 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:55,733 Speaker 3: to be. And I think that, you know, positive change, 167 00:07:55,773 --> 00:07:58,213 Speaker 3: pensilans will swing back and maybe we can get back 168 00:07:58,253 --> 00:07:58,893 Speaker 3: on a good track. 169 00:07:59,013 --> 00:08:03,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, you made some really interesting comments to to penelview 170 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:07,013 Speaker 2: a seen It is regarding artificial intelligence, and it came 171 00:08:07,053 --> 00:08:10,653 Speaker 2: from an experience you had watching your son using chat GPT. 172 00:08:10,933 --> 00:08:12,213 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what happened? 173 00:08:13,173 --> 00:08:15,093 Speaker 3: Yeah? So he put in there right a plot that 174 00:08:15,133 --> 00:08:17,293 Speaker 3: sounds like a David Baldacci novel, and then within three 175 00:08:17,333 --> 00:08:19,573 Speaker 3: seconds here was a plot that sounded like an amalgamation 176 00:08:19,653 --> 00:08:21,653 Speaker 3: of all the books I've written. And I come to 177 00:08:21,653 --> 00:08:24,493 Speaker 3: find out that they had taken virtually all of my books, 178 00:08:24,693 --> 00:08:27,773 Speaker 3: most of them off of a Russian parrotid website. To 179 00:08:27,813 --> 00:08:30,133 Speaker 3: feed into the large language models. I've been involved in 180 00:08:30,173 --> 00:08:33,493 Speaker 3: a class action lawsuit against a Open AI and Microsoft 181 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:37,373 Speaker 3: AI for the last nearly three years. We just settled 182 00:08:37,373 --> 00:08:40,493 Speaker 3: the case in California with Anthropic for one point five billion, 183 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:43,533 Speaker 3: but it continues to go on, and I think that 184 00:08:43,613 --> 00:08:45,453 Speaker 3: we have to make a stand. When people feel like 185 00:08:45,493 --> 00:08:48,173 Speaker 3: they can just take your property without permission or compensation, 186 00:08:49,773 --> 00:08:51,733 Speaker 3: that's the hill that you have to die on. 187 00:08:51,853 --> 00:08:55,453 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting how we were talking about individuals with impunity. 188 00:08:55,493 --> 00:08:57,133 Speaker 2: But I suppose there's a good argument to be made 189 00:08:57,173 --> 00:09:02,373 Speaker 2: that some country, some companies are maybe behaving as though 190 00:09:02,413 --> 00:09:06,093 Speaker 2: they similarly have a kind of degree of impunity. 191 00:09:06,373 --> 00:09:09,653 Speaker 3: Really are you know? I definitely have gotten a very 192 00:09:09,653 --> 00:09:10,573 Speaker 3: personal taste of that. 193 00:09:10,933 --> 00:09:13,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you see there? What do you see as 194 00:09:13,213 --> 00:09:17,293 Speaker 2: being an appropriate balance then, for the use of these 195 00:09:17,373 --> 00:09:23,133 Speaker 2: large language models and artificial intelligence whilst also protecting or 196 00:09:23,173 --> 00:09:28,733 Speaker 2: adequately compensating the creators on whom whose work these models rely. 197 00:09:29,813 --> 00:09:31,853 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I license my work all over the world. 198 00:09:31,893 --> 00:09:35,093 Speaker 3: I do you know. I have lots forty five different publishers. 199 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:39,133 Speaker 3: I have licensed my work for television, I've licenses for films, 200 00:09:39,453 --> 00:09:42,413 Speaker 3: I have licenser for streaming, So they can come to me, 201 00:09:42,493 --> 00:09:45,053 Speaker 3: we can negotiate a deal, but no one ever came 202 00:09:45,093 --> 00:09:47,413 Speaker 3: to me. So, I mean, I'm very used to working 203 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:50,453 Speaker 3: out deals. So people can use my material if they want, 204 00:09:50,813 --> 00:09:52,493 Speaker 3: but they have to get my permission and they have 205 00:09:52,533 --> 00:09:54,093 Speaker 3: to pay me. We have to arrive in an agreement. 206 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:56,173 Speaker 3: I would imagine that. You know, if I went and 207 00:09:56,213 --> 00:09:58,933 Speaker 3: try to steal Microsoft of metas intellectual property, they'd probably 208 00:09:58,933 --> 00:09:59,813 Speaker 3: assume me right. 209 00:10:00,253 --> 00:10:06,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, So how was the rest of the legal pro 210 00:10:06,493 --> 00:10:11,133 Speaker 2: he's going for you? You're part of this big classiction lawsuit. 211 00:10:10,973 --> 00:10:13,293 Speaker 2: But is it likely to be resolved anytime soon? 212 00:10:14,493 --> 00:10:16,853 Speaker 3: It doesn't look like it's going to be resolved anytime soon. 213 00:10:16,893 --> 00:10:18,853 Speaker 3: And I never say never. I'm scheduled. I think to 214 00:10:18,893 --> 00:10:22,093 Speaker 3: be deposed sometime in January. We've gone through a lot 215 00:10:22,093 --> 00:10:24,213 Speaker 3: of discovery. We have to turn over every scrap the 216 00:10:24,253 --> 00:10:27,133 Speaker 3: paper you ever created. You know, I was a lawyer 217 00:10:27,133 --> 00:10:29,053 Speaker 3: for ten years. I understand how that game is played. 218 00:10:29,613 --> 00:10:32,293 Speaker 3: It's no fun being in litigation. But in litigation we 219 00:10:32,333 --> 00:10:32,933 Speaker 3: are Yeah. 220 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:34,613 Speaker 2: Like I said at the start of this interview, you 221 00:10:34,693 --> 00:10:36,053 Speaker 2: were in New Zealand at the start of this year. 222 00:10:36,373 --> 00:10:38,053 Speaker 2: Are we going to see you Beck here sometime soon? 223 00:10:39,213 --> 00:10:42,013 Speaker 3: I loved. We loved our visit. We were there for 224 00:10:42,053 --> 00:10:45,413 Speaker 3: a couple of months in Australia and New Zealand. The 225 00:10:45,453 --> 00:10:47,013 Speaker 3: book I'm working on that'll be out in the fall 226 00:10:47,053 --> 00:10:49,333 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six is actually said in Australia and 227 00:10:49,373 --> 00:10:50,893 Speaker 3: I may jump the ditch to go over to New 228 00:10:50,973 --> 00:10:53,253 Speaker 3: Zealand during the course of that novel as well. We 229 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:55,173 Speaker 3: loved our time there and we're looking forward to coming 230 00:10:55,213 --> 00:10:55,853 Speaker 3: back do it. 231 00:10:55,973 --> 00:11:00,133 Speaker 2: We would love that we have this like you know, 232 00:11:00,173 --> 00:11:03,293 Speaker 2: this this kind of little brother chip on our shoulder, 233 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:06,333 Speaker 2: and that we absolutely love any global reference to New 234 00:11:06,413 --> 00:11:09,053 Speaker 2: Zealand anywhere. If our country is ever referenced in a film, 235 00:11:09,093 --> 00:11:10,733 Speaker 2: we love it. If it's in music, we love it. 236 00:11:10,853 --> 00:11:12,893 Speaker 2: And if it was in a David Baldarchi novel, I 237 00:11:12,893 --> 00:11:17,173 Speaker 2: can tell you we would be delighted. Okay, hey, thank 238 00:11:17,173 --> 00:11:20,173 Speaker 2: you so much. Congratulations on Nash Falls and we look 239 00:11:20,173 --> 00:11:20,973 Speaker 2: forward to speaking soon. 240 00:11:22,493 --> 00:11:23,693 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Take care. 241 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:28,653 Speaker 2: That is David Baldarcie. Nash Falls is available now. We've 242 00:11:28,653 --> 00:11:30,373 Speaker 2: got all the details for it up on the news talks. 243 00:11:30,373 --> 00:11:32,733 Speaker 2: He'd be website and yes, I did wonder of course, 244 00:11:32,853 --> 00:11:35,813 Speaker 2: if his time in New Zealand had acted as a 245 00:11:35,853 --> 00:11:39,533 Speaker 2: little bit of an inspiration for Walter Nash. He said, 246 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:42,173 Speaker 2: Oh Walter Nash, Okay, I'm not sure what his knowledge 247 00:11:42,173 --> 00:11:45,293 Speaker 2: of former New Zealand prime ministers is, but you know, 248 00:11:45,533 --> 00:11:47,933 Speaker 2: I mean, you'd be turning back the hands of time 249 00:11:47,973 --> 00:11:53,373 Speaker 2: a little bit anyway. Yeah, fantastic read nash Fall. So 250 00:11:53,613 --> 00:11:55,213 Speaker 2: all the details are up on the website. 251 00:11:55,533 --> 00:11:58,653 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 252 00:11:58,733 --> 00:12:01,573 Speaker 1: to news talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or 253 00:12:01,653 --> 00:12:03,533 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.