1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at BE. 3 00:00:12,693 --> 00:00:14,533 Speaker 2: We started the show this morning by talking about the 4 00:00:14,533 --> 00:00:17,293 Speaker 2: Australian Social Media Band which has just come in to 5 00:00:17,373 --> 00:00:19,933 Speaker 2: effect for under sixteen year old So you remember there 6 00:00:19,933 --> 00:00:23,693 Speaker 2: are ten platforms or sites or apps that are currently 7 00:00:25,133 --> 00:00:29,493 Speaker 2: banned under the Australian legislation, but one of them, Reddit, 8 00:00:29,813 --> 00:00:33,533 Speaker 2: has decided to take Australia to court. Our Textbert Paul 9 00:00:33,573 --> 00:00:36,253 Speaker 2: Steenhouses here with the details. Good morning, Paul. What does 10 00:00:36,293 --> 00:00:37,613 Speaker 2: Reddit have to say for itself? 11 00:00:39,253 --> 00:00:41,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm backing readit on this one. I think, actually Jack, 12 00:00:42,773 --> 00:00:44,853 Speaker 3: it's making two arguments. I think one of them is 13 00:00:44,893 --> 00:00:47,093 Speaker 3: better than the other. So the first one is that 14 00:00:47,173 --> 00:00:51,013 Speaker 3: it says that the law limits the free political discourse 15 00:00:51,053 --> 00:00:54,013 Speaker 3: of children. Now I would probably say if you can't 16 00:00:54,053 --> 00:00:56,373 Speaker 3: vote until you're eighteen, That one feels a little bit weak, 17 00:00:56,613 --> 00:01:00,533 Speaker 3: But I like its second argument. Okay, Now, read it 18 00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:04,133 Speaker 3: as a website where you effectively it's like one of 19 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:07,813 Speaker 3: the almost old school forums. You talk about topics, and 20 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:12,293 Speaker 3: you post questions, and you get answers, and you post 21 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:17,613 Speaker 3: interesting links and discuss them. It's not really about people, okay, 22 00:01:17,893 --> 00:01:20,413 Speaker 3: And so Reddit has called itself in front of the 23 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:24,973 Speaker 3: courts a collection of public fora arranged by subject, which 24 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:27,613 Speaker 3: I kind of liked. Whoever wrote that kind of needs 25 00:01:27,653 --> 00:01:30,493 Speaker 3: a needs a little check mark beside their name. But 26 00:01:30,613 --> 00:01:33,733 Speaker 3: what it's saying is that because you don't typically follow 27 00:01:34,173 --> 00:01:38,373 Speaker 3: people like you do on other social platforms like your facebooks, 28 00:01:38,493 --> 00:01:42,453 Speaker 3: like your instagrams, they believe that they should be immune. 29 00:01:42,773 --> 00:01:46,413 Speaker 3: They say, you follow subjects, and of course they don't. 30 00:01:47,253 --> 00:01:49,853 Speaker 3: They don't lie about the fact they or they don't. 31 00:01:49,973 --> 00:01:52,653 Speaker 3: You move away from the fact that there are interactions 32 00:01:52,933 --> 00:01:56,453 Speaker 3: between people, but it's not really about person to person 33 00:01:56,893 --> 00:02:00,653 Speaker 3: communication on Reddit. And they say, as part of the 34 00:02:00,773 --> 00:02:05,013 Speaker 3: case that you know, you're basically discouraging knowledge sharing. 35 00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:11,013 Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I am quite an enthusiastic Reddit user, if 36 00:02:11,053 --> 00:02:13,213 Speaker 2: we are to call it social media broadly. Yeah, I 37 00:02:13,413 --> 00:02:16,053 Speaker 2: think it's really good, and so I follow a few things. 38 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:19,333 Speaker 2: Kind of resonate with me in that argument. So, first 39 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:21,933 Speaker 2: of all, you don't follow people, so you follow subject 40 00:02:22,213 --> 00:02:26,133 Speaker 2: matter that's interesting to you. I think I follow. I 41 00:02:26,253 --> 00:02:34,973 Speaker 2: follow various geography related subreddits, various political subreddits. I follow 42 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:40,813 Speaker 2: a submarine enthusiasts subreddit, things like that. Right, New Zealand 43 00:02:40,893 --> 00:02:45,333 Speaker 2: gardening subreddits, personal finance subreddit stuff like that. 44 00:02:45,693 --> 00:02:47,933 Speaker 3: I find it funny when people start to say, what 45 00:02:48,013 --> 00:02:48,893 Speaker 3: the I know? 46 00:02:49,053 --> 00:02:51,573 Speaker 2: I know, are you honestly surprised that at submarines and 47 00:02:51,613 --> 00:02:54,373 Speaker 2: geography and that it took me so long to find it? 48 00:02:54,173 --> 00:02:57,053 Speaker 3: That it's nerdy as everything? Which is the problem. 49 00:02:57,133 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 1: Yes, your deepest, darkest thoughts. 50 00:02:59,493 --> 00:03:02,533 Speaker 3: Are kind of revealed accidentally, But it's why people never 51 00:03:02,573 --> 00:03:04,133 Speaker 3: want to share their username on Reddit. 52 00:03:04,573 --> 00:03:06,653 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm about to say next. So people 53 00:03:06,733 --> 00:03:09,293 Speaker 2: don't use their don't use their names, and don't really 54 00:03:09,293 --> 00:03:12,093 Speaker 2: post as themselves, right they post you just kind of 55 00:03:12,133 --> 00:03:14,893 Speaker 2: have anonymous names. But also the culture of Reddit, and 56 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:17,253 Speaker 2: maybe this comes down to the subreddits that I follow. 57 00:03:17,413 --> 00:03:21,173 Speaker 2: It's not very nasty. It's often quite helpful. You can post, 58 00:03:21,333 --> 00:03:23,573 Speaker 2: you know. Sometimes I post things and say yeah, and 59 00:03:23,653 --> 00:03:25,333 Speaker 2: I say, oh, this is I'm having a problem with this, 60 00:03:25,453 --> 00:03:27,253 Speaker 2: Like sometimes I do it in the New Zealand gardening one. 61 00:03:27,293 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 2: I say, ah, what's wrong with this plant? And people say, oh, 62 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:32,733 Speaker 2: give it a bit of this. I know, I know 63 00:03:32,813 --> 00:03:37,573 Speaker 2: I use both, so yeah, I'm I'm sort of supportive 64 00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:40,453 Speaker 2: of Reddit. What do you think though, as as someone 65 00:03:40,493 --> 00:03:44,653 Speaker 2: who you know thinks deeply about the impact that social 66 00:03:44,653 --> 00:03:47,173 Speaker 2: media and digital platforms are having on our lives. Do 67 00:03:47,213 --> 00:03:51,453 Speaker 2: you think that the Australian law is net positive or 68 00:03:51,533 --> 00:03:54,053 Speaker 2: net negative? What do you think? 69 00:03:55,573 --> 00:03:55,853 Speaker 1: Oh? 70 00:03:55,933 --> 00:03:59,613 Speaker 3: Boy? I like it in concept. I just don't know 71 00:03:59,653 --> 00:04:02,653 Speaker 3: how you really enforce it right. I don't know what 72 00:04:02,733 --> 00:04:06,813 Speaker 3: mechanisms they using to actually make sure the kids staying 73 00:04:06,853 --> 00:04:08,373 Speaker 3: off of it. But I mean, look, I think it 74 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:11,853 Speaker 3: will probably introduce a whole generation of kids to VPNs. Yes, 75 00:04:11,973 --> 00:04:16,173 Speaker 3: maybe it'll make them a little more tech savvy. Look, 76 00:04:16,533 --> 00:04:18,733 Speaker 3: do I think that kids need to be on it? 77 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:19,053 Speaker 1: No? 78 00:04:19,533 --> 00:04:24,933 Speaker 3: Do I envy parents of teenagers or tweens or whatever 79 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:27,453 Speaker 3: they called like, Absolutely not. I think making those decisions 80 00:04:27,453 --> 00:04:31,373 Speaker 3: about when they go on these types of services is tough, right. 81 00:04:31,453 --> 00:04:35,413 Speaker 3: The peer pressure is real. But yeah, but I hate 82 00:04:35,413 --> 00:04:36,813 Speaker 3: to be that person to say it's going to be 83 00:04:36,813 --> 00:04:39,013 Speaker 3: a wait and see. But I do think I was 84 00:04:39,053 --> 00:04:42,933 Speaker 3: away a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton Island in Australia, 85 00:04:43,053 --> 00:04:45,653 Speaker 3: in the Great Barrier reef. And this is going to 86 00:04:45,693 --> 00:04:47,973 Speaker 3: sound a little bit crazy, but the town, the little 87 00:04:47,973 --> 00:04:49,893 Speaker 3: island felt like it was kind of stuck in time 88 00:04:50,213 --> 00:04:51,813 Speaker 3: and I was on holiday, so I wasn't really on 89 00:04:51,853 --> 00:04:55,093 Speaker 3: my phone, wasn't on my laptop, and boy, I did 90 00:04:55,133 --> 00:04:57,373 Speaker 3: think it feels like a simpler life when you don't 91 00:04:57,413 --> 00:05:02,573 Speaker 3: have your device. I think for that reason, Yeah, I 92 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:04,533 Speaker 3: think for that reason. It's like I think I can 93 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:07,013 Speaker 3: see where Australia is going, and it may big headlines 94 00:05:07,053 --> 00:05:09,373 Speaker 3: over here in the UIs now everywhere in the world, 95 00:05:09,413 --> 00:05:11,653 Speaker 3: all the yeah, all the big networks are covered it. 96 00:05:11,853 --> 00:05:13,773 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the sentiments when it's when, 97 00:05:13,973 --> 00:05:15,573 Speaker 3: when will America be bold enough? 98 00:05:16,053 --> 00:05:18,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I tend to agree with that. It's going 99 00:05:18,413 --> 00:05:20,613 Speaker 2: to be very interesting to see if other countries are 100 00:05:20,693 --> 00:05:22,853 Speaker 2: quick to follow. Thank you so much, Paul. That's our 101 00:05:22,933 --> 00:05:24,893 Speaker 2: Texbert Paul Steenhouse. 102 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:29,053 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 103 00:05:29,133 --> 00:05:31,973 Speaker 1: to News Talks d B from nine am Saturday, or 104 00:05:32,013 --> 00:05:33,933 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.