1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Bary Sober, senior political correspondence with that's Alobari afternoon. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Hither I hope we do get to it. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, and we will. In fact, I'm going 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: to cut you shorts to be able to talk about it. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 3: Okay. 6 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Tell me about this debate on the Middle East. 7 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, it was Whenceton Peters came into the house and 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: as a minister's able to do, said he wanted to 9 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: make a statement on the Middle East, which means other 10 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: parties can reply to it. So he was marking the 11 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: occasion of two years ago today was Hummus invaded Israel 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and twelve hundred people were killed and others taken hostage, 13 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: and the likes was terrible. And I remember at the 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: time saying, I hope they get rid of Hummits, but 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: not to the extent that the Israelis have gone to 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: to get rid of Hummits. But anyway, Peter's faced off 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: against labor as foreign a fear spokesman Penny Henare here. 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: He is followed by Henare. 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: One irony here. They will not be lost on Meni's 20 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 4: illness is that the very protesters and the supporters who 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 4: believe we must break off diplomatic relations with Israel are 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: receiving consular assessors because we did not do that, and 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: they wish to break off dipmatic lations with everwel Nevertheless, 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: Another only is that three private individuals freely chose to 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: place themselves in a dangerous situation, but now expect their 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 4: government to bail them out. We'll do exactly that, not 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: least because the government feels a sense of responsibility even 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 4: for those who act utterly irresponsibly. 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 5: When history calls, a true leader will answer. On Palestine, 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 5: the Prime Minister has let the call go unanswered. The 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 5: decisiveness that has been demonstrated by other countries only reinforces, 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 5: that is, the expectation that the peace plans proposed by 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 5: the United States must be fully implemented before this government 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 5: will recognize Palestine as a state. 35 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 4: There are fundamental things here that other countries might have 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: changed because of enormous pressure back home. So what happens 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: tomorrow after you make that decision? 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: Right? 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: What changes? And so we make this speechure in that 40 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: a nation where all this recognition changed. Nothing until Trump 41 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: alongside Saudi Arabia and got together a piece plan. 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 6: And we hope it works. 43 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: I think we can all agree with that, Heather. But yeah, 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: it was an interesting debate because it traversed the whole 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: of the thing, and of course the beginning of that 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: was all about the flotilla. And I see another two 47 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: New Zealanders are on their way here as well. But 48 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: I heard Winston say earlier, he didn't say it in 49 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: the speech, but the three that have been taken in 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: by the Israelis will be transported to Jordan, and it 51 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: sounds as though they might be on their own there 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: to get back to this country. 53 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: That's very much I'd like that. Yeah, Look, I don't 54 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: think the Greens come out of this Winston Peter's protest 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: situation at his house looking very good. 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: No, they don't, and you know, to demonstrate the way 57 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: they have, I mean, it's not the first time Winston 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: Peter's place has been attacked by protesters. I can't remember 59 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: when it was, but there was red paint splashed all 60 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: over the place and stickers put up that Winston had 61 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: to take takedown. And for MPs to be targeted like 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: this or any publicly elected official is to me just 63 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: totally unacceptable. So the protest outside elected officials home that 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: that legislation is due back before Parliament shortly, and the 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has called on other parties to 66 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: support it. 67 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 3: To Speaker, everybody should be able to enjoy their privacy 68 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: at home and be free from unreasonable interference with it. 69 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: We don't think it's acceptable for people to bang pots 70 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: and pans all through the night, or to create an 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: environment of fear and intimidation for individuals, their families and neighbors. 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: Mister Speaker, Intimidation has no place in our democracy and 73 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: I call upon all members, all parties in Parliament, particularly 74 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: the Greens but also Labor to join the government to 75 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: defend that principle. 76 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: And you know, the outrages from people is I think understandable. 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: And you remember just a few years back James Shaw, 78 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: the former co leader of the Greens, was attacked on 79 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: a Wellington street. Well, there was no party lines then. 80 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: Everybody was upset at that, and rightly so. 81 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: On the Marty Party wasn't already. Kiper is supposed to 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: be sworn in today. 83 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: She was supposed to be sworn and John Tammerherry was 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: at Parliament today saying that concentration should be made on that. Well, 85 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 2: if the party's concentration was on the swearing end of 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: the new MP it didn't happen today. 87 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 6: From the Electoral Commission a rich declaring al any co 88 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 6: Partter to be elected at the by election for the 89 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 6: Tamaki Makodo electoral district. I've also received from the Electoral 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 6: Commission a return declaring Michael John Davidson to be elected 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 6: a Member of Parliament to fill the vacancy list vacancy 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 6: created by the resignation of Benjamin Doyle. Both those members 93 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 6: have elected to be sworn in on a different day. 94 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: It's incredible. Why well, I've never heard of it. Well, 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: no explanation was offered. I don't know why they've decided both. 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: This is the Greens and of course the. 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Miss because the Marti Party is going to have a 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: bit of a distinct time when they finally actually start 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: answering questions. 100 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean questions. 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, thank you very much, Barry Sober, Senior Political correspondent. 102 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 4: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: the podcast on iHeartRadio.