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Speaker 7: Twenty four twenty five.

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Speaker 3: High drama at Twickenham this morning, All Blacks twenty four

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Speaker 3: England twenty two. All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen standing

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Speaker 3: by the chat to us, your assessment absolutely encouraged. As well.

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Speaker 3: The New Zealand fifteen enables had a win beating Monster

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Speaker 3: thirty eight twenty four, couple of late tries giving them

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Speaker 3: a comfortable win after months they had got within two

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Speaker 3: points midway through the second half. Other matters around today,

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Speaker 3: Auckland FC have won the first professional football derby here

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Speaker 3: Double goal scoring hero Jake Brimmer is on the show

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Speaker 3: after one. Tonga have bet in the Kiwis twenty five

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Speaker 3: twenty four in Rugby League's Pacific Championship. Another thriller at

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Speaker 3: on the air this afternoon. Ford Trophy Cricket. This is

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Speaker 3: the fifty over stuff for men Round four, just going

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Speaker 3: from North to South and Hamilton. Auckland have won the

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Speaker 3: They're ninety six for three and the twenty third over

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Speaker 3: and Indnita Otago won the toss and elected to bat

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Speaker 4: Heb Damien's been timed out before five four. Get it away, Damien,

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Speaker 3: Four twenty two. Get it away, Amien. That's how it

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Speaker 3: finished all Blacks twenty four England twenty two. All Black's

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Speaker 3: assistant coach Scott Hansen is with us. Scott, thanks for

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Speaker 3: joining us. What's your overall assessment first of all of

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Speaker 8: Good eight, Jason. You firstly a test match exactly that

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Speaker 8: there were swings and flows and within that we weren't

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Speaker 8: always at our best. However we found a way. Really

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Speaker 3: Let's drill down into the way the boys found a way,

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Speaker 3: as you say, twenty two fourteen down with twelve minutes

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Speaker 9: Just some composure.

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Speaker 8: We hit our scrum that gave us some penalties and

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Speaker 8: We were brave and were always we didn't always get

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Speaker 3: Mark Talaya with two of you tries, the second just trademark.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's taken him a bit of time

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Speaker 8: It was a very good performance from him, wasn't it.

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Speaker 8: Two tries today, strong on the edge. You think about

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Speaker 8: Was really happy for him was he lined it up.

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Speaker 3: I just want to ask you about an incident earlier

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Speaker 3: So you talk about the growth areas that are still

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Speaker 8: What it's the group, it's a group learning to play together.

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Speaker 8: You look around the transition of what our leadership group

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Speaker 8: around game and we understand that. You know today, we

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Speaker 8: We didn't always get it right, but in the end

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Speaker 3: The penalt account was a but lop sided against you,

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it? Is that a concern at all?

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Speaker 8: so feelings not always facts. But I think the first

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Speaker 8: half was nine to one and that's not a position

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Speaker 8: put us around. That's what was our accuracy, Like, we

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Speaker 8: We put ourselves in positions where England were applying scoreboard

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Speaker 3: Just a couple more for you, Scott. I'm glad you

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Speaker 3: mentioned Wallace the TT. You know you don't want to

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Speaker 3: he developed quicker in the Black Jersey than you thought

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Speaker 3: he would?

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Speaker 8: Oh, he's coming and if you look at his performances,

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Speaker 8: he's been dominant. He's been dominant around what has ball carriers, influencers, speed,

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Speaker 8: has change of speed. He's a young, composed All Black

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Speaker 8: We're just really proud of what a Weeks looks like

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Speaker 3: And finally you're off to Ireland now. But it's a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well tonight we've got to regroup around where were at.

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Speaker 3: For also congrats on the win, Scott.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for your time, mate, Thanks for your time, Jason,

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Speaker 3: Thanks Scott. Scott Hanson assistant coach. Quite late there, so

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Speaker 3: very much. Indeed, your chance to give your views now

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Speaker 3: The guy has just built differently, isn't he could be

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Speaker 3: see Mark Delayer getting his groove back a couple of tries,

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd

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Speaker 3: like to add your analysis, Hello, Scott, kick us off.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hi, Hey, Look, I thought it was a great

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Speaker 3: I guess if you are Dave Scott, i'd say we're

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Speaker 3: they probably say. I would say, But box kicks.

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Speaker 12: Aren't kicking for rarely, you know, gaming territory, just kicking

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Speaker 3: Holding on to it. Yeah, the box gick is such

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Speaker 3: an interesting one, Sculp. We could probably run a whole

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Speaker 3: they're contestable, And I think you're right. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think Cortez Letama had the most accurate of games off

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Speaker 12: But you saw it, you know you saw it at

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Speaker 12: Now we have to keep it in hand, and that's

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Speaker 13: But now it's just.

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Speaker 12: Frantic kick it for them. They run back at us.

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Speaker 12: It's just it's just so I can't understand the thinking

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Speaker 3: Thanks for kicking us off, Scott, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I think Courtier m yeah he I thought he had

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Speaker 3: might find Camroy guards starting next week. Speaking of kicking,

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Speaker 3: why on Earth did England take Marcus Smith off? I

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Speaker 13: Yes, this game. I've been watching and listening to rugby

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Speaker 13: I thought, our new coach. There's no reflection on him,

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Speaker 9: I mean, what was it.

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Speaker 13: Penalties?

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Speaker 13: Eleven penalties? Absolutely incredible, just really incredible I don't know

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Speaker 13: the penalties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, angers, god's a referee from Australia.

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Speaker 9: Really.

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Speaker 3: I look at the fifteen that he put out there

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Speaker 13: Well, I'm only saying I don't know whether he's got

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Speaker 13: that's all I mean. I mean Normally a team that

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Speaker 13: it's bloody terrible. I mean, you're on ten the hooks

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Speaker 13: But you know, things have definitely changed since we've got

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Speaker 3: They do play I Island next, John, Yeah, they do,

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Speaker 3: that's next week. In a six day turnaround. We did

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Speaker 3: I don't think those two kicks did go over. Did

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Speaker 3: That'd be twelve thirty one. Just on the whole crusaders

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Speaker 3: argument as well, that was proffered before. There weren't any

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Speaker 3: crusaders on the reserves Beans this morning either, So of

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Speaker 3: the twenty three players who took the field this morning

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Speaker 3: for the All Blacks, only four were crusaders. So I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure that the argument holds water at all. Steady

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Speaker 3: On says this text, we just turned England over in

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Speaker 3: their own backyard. How about a break for the guys

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Speaker 3: today and some congratulations Mike, how are you?

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Speaker 14: Yeah? Good things funny? Hey, Yeah, I don't really follow

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Speaker 14: rugby that much, but I don't mind watching the old

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Speaker 14: All Blacks game, so I'm not really that qualified to comment.

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Speaker 14: But it's like what your previous call a couple of

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Speaker 14: callers back, John said, and I agree with him fully.

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Speaker 14: It's all about discipline and not giving away penalties and

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Speaker 14: not getting yellow cards if you really want to win,

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Speaker 14: So you know, from an amateur spectator, that's what I

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Speaker 14: can see. So sure, when they're training and all the

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Speaker 14: rest of it, they're trying to improve what they can

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Speaker 14: do well, but I think they need to try and

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Speaker 14: put more effort into what they shouldn't be doing on

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Speaker 14: the field. You know that that was a terrible last

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Speaker 14: three minutes of that game, and full credit to McKenzie

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Speaker 14: for clinching it, but yeah, it wasn't a hugely satisfying

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Speaker 14: when really if you ask me, yeah, I hear.

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Speaker 3: You made and I think Scott Hansen without I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure what his exact words were around the penalties, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: the penalty count is a concern, especially when you're giving

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Speaker 3: away penalties and kickable positions against guys like Marcus Smith

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Speaker 3: who would just nail them. You know, like I say,

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Speaker 3: six from six from the kicking tea, five of those

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Speaker 3: were penalties. So five of the eleven penalties that New

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Speaker 3: Zealand gave away cost them points. So you're so right.

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Speaker 3: Discipline is a work on for this team.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, Not so much what you can do well. It's

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Speaker 14: try and try and train the team to do things

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Speaker 14: that they shouldn't be doing. Yeah, so that they're not

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Speaker 14: doing things that they shouldn't be doing, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: put more refidence that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got your Mike, No, good point, well made, thanks mate,

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Speaker 3: appreciate your call, David, Hello.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, get a piney hey mate, another really frustratingly inaccurate performance.

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Speaker 15: I thought, just and just to pick up on the

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Speaker 15: you know, Scott Hansen's comment just to you before saying,

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Speaker 15: this is a new group, new players, this is going

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Speaker 15: to take some time. I sort of came to call

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Speaker 15: that out because while it's the TT Inquarties aside, this

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Speaker 15: is an experienced team. You know, you run your right

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Speaker 15: across that back. They're a three four year all blacks,

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Speaker 15: and in the case of a lot of the players,

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Speaker 15: maybe more. And then you go to the full Pecks

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Speaker 15: and Barrett and Artie and Sam Kine. I mean, these

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Speaker 15: are these are players that have been around a long time.

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Speaker 15: I just don't buy the argument that this is a

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Speaker 15: new squad's got to take the time, because every other

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Speaker 15: nation is in the exact same position. Building out of

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Speaker 15: World Cups in England were listed with new players themselves.

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Speaker 15: South Africa were listed with new players as well. I

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Speaker 15: don't think that's quite right in our case, and it

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Speaker 15: doesn't sort of make up for the amount of mistakes

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Speaker 15: we seem to be making.

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Speaker 3: I guess the difference between us in South Africa and

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Speaker 3: England as far as the newness is concerned. As the

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Speaker 3: coaching group, You're right, the players by and large the

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Speaker 3: same players. Yes, we've lost a lot of experience in

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Speaker 3: terms of players like white Lock, Retallic, Aaron Smith and others.

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Speaker 3: But it's a new coaching group which I guess hasn't

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Speaker 3: befallen the likes of South Africa or England since the

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Speaker 3: last World Cup. So they are I guess, still getting

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Speaker 3: used to what what Razor wants on them.

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Speaker 15: But what exactly are we doing differently? I can't see

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Speaker 15: any change or dramatic shifts in our game. It's the

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Speaker 15: same forward backrunner off the Fords, out the back.

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Speaker 11: To the first five.

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Speaker 15: Body looks to just always be looking to protect first

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Speaker 15: and not run or on the line. And you know,

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Speaker 15: what are we what's different in our game then last year?

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Speaker 15: Because I can't sin seeing difference in the way we play.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question. Is it's a good question. I

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Speaker 3: think you know coaches bring fresh ideas, But but you're

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Speaker 3: right if you if you don't look at Scott Robertson's

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Speaker 3: all blacks and say how while they're playing a dramatically

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Speaker 3: different style of Ian Fosters all blacks, you're right. And

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Speaker 3: maybe that comes back to what you were just saying, David,

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Speaker 3: and that it's it's largely the same group of players,

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Speaker 3: So to ask, you know, something completely different from the

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Speaker 3: same group of players would be perhaps not good coaching.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Guys like Jeordie and Rico, they've played a

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Speaker 6: lot of taste together now in the midfield, and I

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Speaker 6: don't think you're offering a whole lot on a tech.

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Speaker 6: There's other similar combinations within the Lusis and the four

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Speaker 6: picks and Wallace has been our best player and ironically

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Speaker 6: he's only through New Heathside.

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Speaker 15: Just think some of these seasoned players are not really

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Speaker 15: stepping up out the course of the season. I think

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Speaker 15: the send of Year tour is a massive opportunity for

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Speaker 15: the team to gel but it just seems to be

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Speaker 15: that we lect the cohesion and a clinical team. Maybe

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Speaker 15: Ireland will really make us count and take it to us.

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Speaker 15: I thought them, with their own worst enemies, really give

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Speaker 15: me that game away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that last bit, David. I agree

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Speaker 3: with that last bit. They had the opportunities to win

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Speaker 3: the game. They should have stopped Mark to Layer in

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Speaker 3: the corner. You know, elusive as he is, They should

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Speaker 3: have stopped him. They should have set themselves up better

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Speaker 3: for a drop goal for George Ford. It it felt

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Speaker 3: like they took ages to get him in the pocket

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Speaker 3: to where he needed to be. Miss penalty from George

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Speaker 3: Ford's but the whole substitution of George Ford was a

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Speaker 3: I don't want you put it all on one guy,

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Speaker 3: but really I think taking Marcus Smith off was a

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Speaker 3: huge era in hindsight by by England. He was controlling

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Speaker 3: the game, not just with his goalkicking, but as general play.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge part of it.

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Speaker 16: Hello Tom, Hey Tom, Hey Jon, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great Tom, how are you mate?

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Speaker 16: You go mate, I'm mister Dame mc kensey here.

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Speaker 3: Ah, how are your boy? Well, your boy came on

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Speaker 3: and look, I mean I thought I was going to

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Speaker 3: run the shot clock down. Were you nervous at all?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I knew it was a big moment. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 16: as soon as I as soon as Tilli got the

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Speaker 16: try and knew was that was on? You know it

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Speaker 16: was it was the kick to win it and yeah,

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Speaker 16: hold my breath a bit and yeah, no to see

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Speaker 16: it go over was something else. It was brilliant kicking. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 16: some game, honestly. Discipline huge issue I think still, and

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Speaker 16: they needs happened there. I don't know what what can

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Speaker 16: be done about that. You know, obviously management and captaincy

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Speaker 16: and you know the various various things there. But I

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Speaker 16: don't know if it's a personnel issue, or if it's

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Speaker 16: a culture issue, or at the end of the day,

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Speaker 16: it can be a pressure issue. You know, these top

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Speaker 16: quality teams are playing London twicking and it's not going

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Speaker 16: to be easy, so to get the job done, good effort,

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Speaker 16: real happy. I think Mark Talia proven a lot of

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Speaker 16: what a doubt is wrong. I've always been a pretty

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Speaker 16: big fan, and I think he was. He was about

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Speaker 16: a form for a bit there. You can't deny that.

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Speaker 16: But he's played himself back into form and I think

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Speaker 16: you'd be you'd be silly to drop him.

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Speaker 3: Now, what what do you when you said before about yeah,

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Speaker 3: what what was causing the the end discipline? I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a player thing or a culture thing. I

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Speaker 3: think you're landed or not. I think it's a pressure thing.

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Speaker 3: I think that is that is for whatever reason, and

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Speaker 3: and and it's it's a funny thing to say because

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Speaker 3: these are highly experienced, elite rugby players who are used

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Speaker 3: to pressure cooker situations. But you know, you can't deny

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Speaker 3: the facts of the penalty count. They gave Way eleven.

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Speaker 3: That's I think that's the sixth or seventh Test in

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Speaker 3: a row. Now we've had a yellow card. We started

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Speaker 3: off the year really well, hardly had a yellow card

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Speaker 3: at all, and I think for the first three or

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Speaker 3: four Test matches we've had won every game. For the

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Speaker 3: last at least half dozen. So yeah, there's there's there's

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Speaker 3: something there. Whether it's the pressure of wanting to play

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Speaker 3: a certain way or the occasion, I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask you about Damien McKenzie came

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Speaker 3: off the beach. I've said all they had that big

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Speaker 3: run of Test matches up till the game in Sydney

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Speaker 3: against Australia in the ten Jersey came off the bench

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Speaker 3: in Wellington against Australia, started last week against Japan, off

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Speaker 3: the bench again this morning. What do you feel his

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Speaker 3: role to play is in this team at the moment.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Like we obviously can see Dmax's influence off the bench,

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Speaker 16: Like that's no doubt. You know, you'd be silly to

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Speaker 16: see he doesn't impact off the bench. And it's the

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Speaker 16: same with players like cam Boygard. We know he's a

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Speaker 16: good impact off the bench. But then the question is

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Speaker 16: do we want them out here for twenty or do

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Speaker 16: you want them matpre for eighty or you know sixty

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Speaker 16: f full likes you know, Roygun and whatnot. Obviously we've

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Speaker 16: seen you know, McKenzie towards the end of games potentially fade,

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Speaker 16: you know, And yeah, the whole film of closing out

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Speaker 16: game is definitely as big as work on It's I

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Speaker 16: guess there's for a lot of ten. It's a big thing.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 16: They brought Ford on for England and he couldn't p

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Speaker 16: doubt them. You know, it's not easy and experience like

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Speaker 16: Ford couldn't do it. You know, one player can't obviously

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Speaker 16: do it. But I think I saw last night was

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Speaker 16: he had moments and I thought he ran the cutter

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Speaker 16: pretty nice and that little cupball to Jordan was nice.

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Speaker 16: But I just don't think Barrett can handle the rush

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Speaker 16: defense the same as mackenzie. You saw as soon as

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Speaker 16: mackenzie came on at the game changed like the outside

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Speaker 16: the would be get around to like to Freeman and

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Speaker 16: Wereboso and they the game changed like the game change

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Speaker 16: McKenzie came on, and the you saw on that try

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Speaker 16: where Talia scored. He holds the board two hands, freezers

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Speaker 16: forward up, tends it out to Jordan, just has enough

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Speaker 16: space to get around that that defender gives it Talia.

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Speaker 16: It's the one percenter's the smallest margins, there's not much

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Speaker 16: in it. He's just on the sideline there. So I

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Speaker 16: don't know, pretty impressed. I'd like to see dmat back

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Speaker 16: at ten against Ireland. I know Body picked up a

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Speaker 16: knock there, so we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might have. You're right, he failed as hi

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Speaker 3: A on on field or or in game hi A.

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Speaker 3: So if that, I know, that doesn't necessarily mean you

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Speaker 3: have to have the twelve days stand down, but it might.

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Speaker 3: So it might that the hand might be might before.

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Speaker 16: I heard he was but wobbly. After the game, they

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Speaker 16: tried to interview him on sky Sport and he was wobbly.

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Speaker 3: So okay, well that doesn't good.

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Speaker 16: It still happen there, but I don't know. Yeah, d

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Speaker 16: Making against Ireland will be interesting if he starts at ten.

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Speaker 16: The boat body ten wasn't wasn't useless. He had a

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Speaker 16: good game, I think. But it's just the thing of

647
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Speaker 16: I think one thing that he does now that he's

648
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Speaker 16: get used to. It's as simple as that that in

649
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Speaker 16: his prime body took on the line. He had that pace,

650
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Speaker 16: he had the he had the confidence and he was

651
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Speaker 16: the best in the wood. That he was the best

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Speaker 16: player in the world, no doubt, you can't deny it.

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Speaker 16: But in the modern day, with that russ defense, his

654
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Speaker 16: instinct is to kick it, you know, and you can't

655
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Speaker 16: deny that it's on. And you know, don't get me wrong.

656
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Speaker 16: In some situations the kick is what's needed, you know.

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Speaker 16: And I saw a few beautiful contestants out there from

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Speaker 16: body last night. But I saw some kicks of Sishu

659
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Speaker 16: were Boso he kicked it down there, but Boso the

660
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Speaker 16: first man. He'd run thirty forty meters. They didn't actually

661
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Speaker 16: score often, but they tied us up many times with

662
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Speaker 16: undigestible kicks. And I think at times yet back kind

663
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Speaker 16: didn't function.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 16: You look at the Jordan toil, which is pretty nice,

666
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Speaker 16: but that was Jordan individual brilliance. The Satisi offload out

667
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Speaker 16: Celia for that try again. It's it's all individual brilliant.

668
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Speaker 16: It's not back kind play, it's not batkind move. I

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Speaker 16: think we are better with McKenzie out there, but each

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Speaker 16: of their own.

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Speaker 3: Each to their own in deeds, all about opinions. Good

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Speaker 3: to chat, Tom, call back again, so mate chet Piney,

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Speaker 3: all right, might take it easy. Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is our number. We better get a breakaway.

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Speaker 3: There is one spear line there, but it'll be filling

676
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Speaker 3: out pretty quickly. If the last hours. Anything to go

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Speaker 3: by back in a second Weekend Sport The Big.

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Speaker 1: Issues on and after Fields Call eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Fain and GJ. Gunder Homes,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's first trusted home builder News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Baby rightmack down the blind again? What a setti's popped up?

682
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Speaker 4: There gets the.

683
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Speaker 3: Past opening try of the game for the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: back to the lines fourteen to one Halloween. Thanks for holding.

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Speaker 5: Hi, jasere you go today.

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Speaker 3: Very good, make very good.

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Speaker 5: Listen first and foremost, I think Steve Borthook and his

688
00:34:27,467 --> 00:34:30,347
Speaker 5: coaching team handed that game to the or Blacks. And

689
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Speaker 5: congratulations for the Blacks winning the game, But for to

690
00:34:35,547 --> 00:34:38,787
Speaker 5: take Marcus Smith off was a cardinal sin at the

691
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Speaker 5: end of the day. I mean, what a great match.

692
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Speaker 5: It was a great match too.

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Speaker 3: I simply don't understand why they took.

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Speaker 5: Him off exactly. I heard your earlier comment. He was

695
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Speaker 5: controlling the game, just out of this world, and he was,

696
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Speaker 5: you know, with all those penalties and whatever you eat,

697
00:35:00,427 --> 00:35:02,827
Speaker 5: but he was controlling the game. And when he went off,

698
00:35:03,307 --> 00:35:07,507
Speaker 5: the game actually turned and you can I didn't watch it.

699
00:35:08,107 --> 00:35:10,027
Speaker 5: I listened on the wireless and all that sort of thing,

700
00:35:11,827 --> 00:35:14,427
Speaker 5: but you could just hear it, you know, those scrumping

701
00:35:14,507 --> 00:35:16,267
Speaker 5: on these I think the Orbles got three in a

702
00:35:16,387 --> 00:35:21,507
Speaker 5: row or some such thing. And when Borthick and his

703
00:35:21,627 --> 00:35:25,227
Speaker 5: team talked that took him off. The game just changed

704
00:35:25,267 --> 00:35:28,187
Speaker 5: and the Orbles just got over it. Not saying anything

705
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Speaker 5: about you know, George North or anything like that, but

706
00:35:32,507 --> 00:35:36,947
Speaker 5: you know here, the game changed when Marcus Smith went off.

707
00:35:36,987 --> 00:35:42,187
Speaker 5: And I couldn't, for the life of me understand why

708
00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:46,307
Speaker 5: they did that. They must have known that this man

709
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Speaker 5: was controlling that game, and I have no doubt that

710
00:35:51,347 --> 00:35:55,867
Speaker 5: Heady stayed on the pedant, England would have won that match.

711
00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:58,987
Speaker 5: But however, that's that was their choice. And the Ulbecs

712
00:35:59,027 --> 00:36:01,707
Speaker 5: came back and indeed did.

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Speaker 3: The deed and they they did, and I'm sure they

714
00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:07,107
Speaker 3: were reviewing. Like I again, I I haven't heard that

715
00:36:07,187 --> 00:36:09,187
Speaker 3: he was injured. I need to listen back to the

716
00:36:09,227 --> 00:36:11,147
Speaker 3: post match pressure. I've listened back to the All Blacks one,

717
00:36:11,227 --> 00:36:13,387
Speaker 3: not the England one. Maybe there was an explanation and

718
00:36:13,387 --> 00:36:15,827
Speaker 3: there as to why they did it. Hindsight, it's always

719
00:36:15,827 --> 00:36:18,307
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, isn't it. Look if George Ford's dropped that

720
00:36:18,387 --> 00:36:20,907
Speaker 3: goal at the end or kicked that penalty that was

721
00:36:21,227 --> 00:36:23,507
Speaker 3: shortly before, and then we're having a different conversation. But

722
00:36:23,987 --> 00:36:27,027
Speaker 3: in hindsight it seems a very odd decision and a

723
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Speaker 3: pivotal moment in the game. Ian, thanks for your call,

724
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Speaker 3: rh Willy, Hello.

725
00:36:32,267 --> 00:36:40,947
Speaker 18: Oh Cia, Yeah, I watch watched a game cut off,

726
00:36:40,987 --> 00:36:43,107
Speaker 18: so I had to listen to it, so I was worse.

727
00:36:43,507 --> 00:36:52,627
Speaker 18: Reminded me of the World Cup in twenty fifteen the

728
00:36:52,787 --> 00:36:57,707
Speaker 18: South Africa and all blacks. Yeah, pretty hard to watch, No,

729
00:36:58,267 --> 00:37:00,947
Speaker 18: just of this is them a belt pushing.

730
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Speaker 9: Kenzy.

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Speaker 18: I've never really ever been a fan of mckenzy, reason

732
00:37:07,187 --> 00:37:12,867
Speaker 18: being as I think we we saw his quality against

733
00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:18,267
Speaker 18: Japan last week. He's he's quite he's weak on defensing.

734
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Speaker 18: He may have the most, he may have a great

735
00:37:22,027 --> 00:37:24,867
Speaker 18: winning game, but he's flowing up to But if you

736
00:37:24,907 --> 00:37:27,627
Speaker 18: can't defend, then you shouldn't be. We're in normal jumper

737
00:37:28,267 --> 00:37:31,307
Speaker 18: and like he sees a small fellow. We saw Ford. Okay,

738
00:37:31,307 --> 00:37:33,747
Speaker 18: he's ad who's probably got fifty kges heavier than them,

739
00:37:33,787 --> 00:37:36,627
Speaker 18: but and he he was also who ran over him

740
00:37:36,667 --> 00:37:39,867
Speaker 18: last week. And he's also another situation where a guy

741
00:37:39,947 --> 00:37:41,427
Speaker 18: just went through and he didn't even look like he

742
00:37:41,507 --> 00:37:42,907
Speaker 18: wanted to get a bar of it.

743
00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:47,867
Speaker 3: I think I think he's got I think he's got

744
00:37:47,987 --> 00:37:51,667
Speaker 3: quite a bit of ticker, right. I think I just

745
00:37:51,707 --> 00:37:53,587
Speaker 3: think he's not the biggest guy, so sometimes he is

746
00:37:53,627 --> 00:37:55,587
Speaker 3: going to be out muscled, but he's got a lot of.

747
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 18: You ask any you ask any ten nation, did they

749
00:38:04,507 --> 00:38:07,227
Speaker 18: do they see mckins and that they'll just say no,

750
00:38:07,347 --> 00:38:11,267
Speaker 18: shot away in your boden vera. He's into a slow

751
00:38:11,387 --> 00:38:14,867
Speaker 18: But when you're playing rush defense, you can't what are

752
00:38:14,867 --> 00:38:15,547
Speaker 18: you supposed to do?

753
00:38:17,067 --> 00:38:19,387
Speaker 3: I guess there's two ye, I guess there's there's a

754
00:38:19,467 --> 00:38:21,507
Speaker 3: there's there's two or three ways. One you can you

755
00:38:21,547 --> 00:38:23,507
Speaker 3: can kick, which is what body decides to or not

756
00:38:23,667 --> 00:38:26,187
Speaker 3: all the time. But he employs that a lot. You

757
00:38:26,267 --> 00:38:28,627
Speaker 3: can try and shift it wide a quicker or you

758
00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:31,347
Speaker 3: can use your quick feet. And I think of the

759
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Speaker 3: two of the two, Damien McKenzie is more likely of

760
00:38:34,467 --> 00:38:38,427
Speaker 3: the two to surprise a rush defense by taking them on.

761
00:38:39,547 --> 00:38:39,707
Speaker 9: Well.

762
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Speaker 18: I tend to disagree, but I think the defenses are

763
00:38:42,747 --> 00:38:46,507
Speaker 18: so good now that they're not surprised that the defense

764
00:38:46,587 --> 00:38:49,347
Speaker 18: line is so good now. And because they're the employing

765
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Speaker 18: and this isn't the poce of the ability, but the

766
00:38:51,987 --> 00:38:57,227
Speaker 18: employing ruck the league defense defense specialist. Because it's one

767
00:38:57,227 --> 00:39:00,507
Speaker 18: on one and when you're rushing. I think the decision

768
00:39:00,627 --> 00:39:07,427
Speaker 18: needs to be that the inspect a bit. But Damien McKenzie,

769
00:39:07,547 --> 00:39:10,147
Speaker 18: like you, you tell me how many games in a

770
00:39:10,227 --> 00:39:12,827
Speaker 18: row you've said, Oh my gosh, Damien mckenjy just just

771
00:39:13,067 --> 00:39:14,187
Speaker 18: top control of their game.

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00:39:14,427 --> 00:39:15,947
Speaker 12: Come the two games in a row.

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Speaker 18: You know we are but weak on first fives, but

774
00:39:20,907 --> 00:39:23,947
Speaker 18: we expect a lot more. For the last time he

775
00:39:24,067 --> 00:39:26,147
Speaker 18: controlled like control.

776
00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:26,667
Speaker 9: Game up the game.

777
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Speaker 18: And we've been blessed with some pretty fine spi Fish

778
00:39:31,427 --> 00:39:34,147
Speaker 18: Liner then Karde and when we tend to compare, but

779
00:39:34,947 --> 00:39:38,387
Speaker 18: we we we we we come from Altor. We have

780
00:39:38,427 --> 00:39:41,547
Speaker 18: an expectation on anyone that we the black Jumper. They're

781
00:39:41,547 --> 00:39:44,227
Speaker 18: not miss a tackle, regardless of who the country is.

782
00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:48,387
Speaker 18: If you're missing tackles against Japan. When you come to Highland,

783
00:39:48,467 --> 00:39:51,027
Speaker 18: till It says they want to see David McKenzie play

784
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:54,227
Speaker 18: for Ireland, play against Ireland. Man, they're gonna have a

785
00:39:54,267 --> 00:39:56,867
Speaker 18: field day. That Ireland are a good team and we're

786
00:39:56,947 --> 00:39:59,347
Speaker 18: we're very we had to be our best to beat

787
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Speaker 18: them at the World Cup. Damien McKenzie against the Island Island.

788
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Speaker 18: I hope he that he does really well. But then

789
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Speaker 18: that's yeah, Dylan and bar are really really really good

790
00:40:13,707 --> 00:40:16,227
Speaker 18: teams for prevalent be the best team. They never won

791
00:40:16,267 --> 00:40:18,627
Speaker 18: the World couple. There's priven in the best team for

792
00:40:18,747 --> 00:40:22,427
Speaker 18: the last or best part of a decade because they've

793
00:40:22,507 --> 00:40:24,987
Speaker 18: worked out game, mate, and they beat us, and Dan

794
00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:28,547
Speaker 18: Carter was Saint burst fight. You know it's I don't know,

795
00:40:29,387 --> 00:40:32,827
Speaker 18: we need to start bringing the next tears through.

796
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, well I do have to go, mate, I've

797
00:40:35,467 --> 00:40:37,987
Speaker 3: got to move. But thanks for your points well made.

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00:40:38,907 --> 00:40:41,587
Speaker 3: I'll just answer a couple of your points. Damian McKenzie.

799
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Speaker 3: I've seen control game after game after game after game

800
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Speaker 3: for the Chiefs. I think he's been an exceptional super

801
00:40:48,187 --> 00:40:50,587
Speaker 3: rugby first five. I know you're talking about the All Blacks,

802
00:40:51,227 --> 00:40:53,547
Speaker 3: and I don't think Dan Carter was playing when Ireland

803
00:40:53,547 --> 00:40:55,307
Speaker 3: beat us in twenty sixteen for the first time. I

804
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Speaker 3: think he'd gone by then, hadn't he twenty fifteen was

805
00:40:58,147 --> 00:41:00,947
Speaker 3: it for him? Anyway? They're just small points, but just

806
00:41:00,987 --> 00:41:02,667
Speaker 3: want to make sure that we're fact checking everything here.

807
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Speaker 3: Seven to one new Stalk SEB.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

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00:41:08,827 --> 00:41:14,267
Speaker 1: Weekends for It with Jason Vine call Us Talk Senby.

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Speaker 4: Slow to come back for right, going down the left

811
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Speaker 4: hand line, drop back and Bill.

812
00:41:21,387 --> 00:41:25,907
Speaker 3: Welcome another test try for Will Jordan. He is going

813
00:41:25,947 --> 00:41:27,707
Speaker 3: to beat Doug Hallett's record, isn't he. I know we've

814
00:41:27,707 --> 00:41:29,867
Speaker 3: said that about other players in the past, but Will

815
00:41:29,947 --> 00:41:32,667
Speaker 3: Jordan is a try scoring machine. He is going to

816
00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:35,947
Speaker 3: get to forty nine and go beyond. After one o'clock

817
00:41:35,987 --> 00:41:37,867
Speaker 3: we're going to flick our attention across the football. We

818
00:41:37,907 --> 00:41:39,787
Speaker 3: will come back to the rugby. We couldn't get everybody

819
00:41:39,867 --> 00:41:41,707
Speaker 3: on the air. Don't fear we will do that again.

820
00:41:41,747 --> 00:41:45,987
Speaker 3: But after one o'clock. Auckland FC's goal scoring hero Jake Brimmer.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

822
00:41:50,547 --> 00:41:52,147
Speaker 1: on and after field.

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Speaker 9: It's all on Wee James Ford with.

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Speaker 1: Jason Vain on your home of sport US Talk SIB

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Speaker 1: one O seven.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the show. Jake Brimmer in just a second

827
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Speaker 3: doubles goal scorer yesterday in the first ever professional football

828
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Speaker 3: derby in New Zealand. Magnificent occasion at Sky Stadium twenty

829
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Speaker 3: six thousand plus turning up good game too. Thought it

830
00:42:18,987 --> 00:42:20,547
Speaker 3: was going to be nil all for a long time

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Speaker 3: until Jake Brimmer scored goals in the eighty ninth and

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Speaker 3: ninety sixth minutes. He is standing by for a chat

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Speaker 3: updating you on some live sporting just to seek as well.

834
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Speaker 3: We'll go back to the rugby too. Thank you for

835
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Speaker 3: all your text messages. There are so many, so many,

836
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Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll open the lines again on the rugby.

837
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Speaker 3: If we get the opportunity we're going to we're gonna

838
00:42:43,907 --> 00:42:46,147
Speaker 3: try and squeeze everything in. This is where we need

839
00:42:46,267 --> 00:42:48,547
Speaker 3: multiple channels. Maybe we could do something in one speaker

840
00:42:48,587 --> 00:42:51,147
Speaker 3: and something in the other speaker. Anyway, Rugby league as well,

841
00:42:51,147 --> 00:42:54,307
Speaker 3: we've got to cover that off Tonga. What a game

842
00:42:54,387 --> 00:42:56,707
Speaker 3: that was beating the Kiwis last night twenty five to

843
00:42:56,747 --> 00:42:59,027
Speaker 3: twenty four at Mount Smart. Seems like they were thrilling

844
00:42:59,107 --> 00:43:04,387
Speaker 3: games with big crowds everywhere you looked. Fort Trophy Cricket

845
00:43:04,627 --> 00:43:07,187
Speaker 3: aucklam on the toss and elected to bowl first against

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Speaker 3: Northern in Hamilton. Northern one ninety seven for six and

847
00:43:10,627 --> 00:43:15,267
Speaker 3: the thirty eight David and Langi order Canterbury have been

848
00:43:15,307 --> 00:43:18,027
Speaker 3: centered about by Central one forty six for five in

849
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Speaker 3: the thirty seventh and in dneda Otago won the toss

850
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Speaker 3: they decided to bat first. They're one eighty six for

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Speaker 3: five in the thirty sixth over so all kind of similar, really,

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00:43:26,827 --> 00:43:30,107
Speaker 3: aren't they kind of? They're or thereabouts scores for those

853
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Speaker 3: batting first, and each of these are each of these games.

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Speaker 3: Email from Leon just before we get to Jake Brima, Jason,

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Speaker 3: I'm somewhat dismayed by a lot of the rhetoric in

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00:43:38,947 --> 00:43:41,547
Speaker 3: terms of the All Blacks performance. As armchair experts, we're

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Speaker 3: good at lamb basting athletes when the final result doesn't

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00:43:44,507 --> 00:43:48,067
Speaker 3: go our way, and unbelievably critical even when we do win.

859
00:43:48,307 --> 00:43:52,227
Speaker 3: Elite sport is more often than not about mere centimeters

860
00:43:52,667 --> 00:43:54,267
Speaker 3: or the call of a match official. Of course, the

861
00:43:54,347 --> 00:43:56,467
Speaker 3: abs are far from perfect, but let's give them the

862
00:43:56,507 --> 00:43:59,107
Speaker 3: flowers for now and celebrated win. As fans, we tend

863
00:43:59,187 --> 00:44:01,747
Speaker 3: to overanalyze teams and individuals. We're very good at that.

864
00:44:02,267 --> 00:44:04,507
Speaker 3: Let's keep things in perspective and give Razor and his

865
00:44:04,667 --> 00:44:07,267
Speaker 3: coaches time to implement their low long term game plan.

866
00:44:07,587 --> 00:44:11,147
Speaker 3: If by twenty twenty six, the squad is not performing

867
00:44:11,227 --> 00:44:15,067
Speaker 3: up to our lofty expectations, then we should be genuinely worried.

868
00:44:15,347 --> 00:44:17,707
Speaker 3: The twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup is still the

869
00:44:17,827 --> 00:44:22,427
Speaker 3: all important goal. We just need to be patient. Thank you, Leon,

870
00:44:22,707 --> 00:44:26,227
Speaker 3: I appreciate that very much. Nine past one bragging rights

871
00:44:26,867 --> 00:44:30,827
Speaker 3: for Auckland FC. Yesterday at sky Stadium. They beat Wellington

872
00:44:30,867 --> 00:44:33,587
Speaker 3: Phoenix two nil in the first ever New Zealand A

873
00:44:33,747 --> 00:44:34,707
Speaker 3: League men's derby.

874
00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:35,827
Speaker 1: Hod's give it away by.

875
00:44:35,747 --> 00:44:40,867
Speaker 9: All the way yum got a mistake by Josh HOLLAWAYUV

876
00:44:41,067 --> 00:44:44,347
Speaker 9: and Jake Brummer Kansas.

877
00:44:46,747 --> 00:44:51,187
Speaker 3: Derby to lights for Auckland FC with a sigar and

878
00:44:51,267 --> 00:44:53,947
Speaker 3: hot pursuit Loomy Toomy's in the area.

879
00:44:54,867 --> 00:45:01,027
Speaker 9: And Aakland FC true Jake Brumber twenty two Honus bench

880
00:45:02,067 --> 00:45:04,147
Speaker 9: two goals in the betch of.

881
00:45:04,387 --> 00:45:10,507
Speaker 3: Wellington Phoenix's nets end up port. I'm gonna celebrate long

882
00:45:10,787 --> 00:45:13,347
Speaker 3: into the Wellington night. Yeah, I get the feeling they

883
00:45:13,387 --> 00:45:17,147
Speaker 3: did the port the Auckland FC traveling fans. I think

884
00:45:17,187 --> 00:45:22,107
Speaker 3: they enjoyed themselves in Wellington's CBD and surrounds last night,

885
00:45:22,187 --> 00:45:25,267
Speaker 3: as I'm sure the Auckland FC players did too, probably

886
00:45:25,267 --> 00:45:27,547
Speaker 3: a little bit more civilized and a bit more restrained

887
00:45:27,947 --> 00:45:30,667
Speaker 3: than their fans. Vice captain Jake Brimmer off the bench

888
00:45:30,987 --> 00:45:34,067
Speaker 3: to score goals late eighty nine and ninety six minutes.

889
00:45:34,507 --> 00:45:36,387
Speaker 3: He's with us here on weekend Sport. Jake, thanks for

890
00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:38,387
Speaker 3: joining us. How does that result feel the day after?

891
00:45:39,587 --> 00:45:42,507
Speaker 7: Special mate? Honestly, I can't put into words how good

892
00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:43,427
Speaker 7: it felt. You know what I mean?

893
00:45:43,667 --> 00:45:45,947
Speaker 19: Like you talk about a dearby, but you also look

894
00:45:45,947 --> 00:45:47,067
Speaker 19: at the last two games as well.

895
00:45:47,067 --> 00:45:47,947
Speaker 7: You know, we're three from three.

896
00:45:48,027 --> 00:45:50,107
Speaker 19: Being a U club, you know everyone doubted is and

897
00:45:51,147 --> 00:45:53,267
Speaker 19: we we had a plan coming into into this season

898
00:45:53,347 --> 00:45:56,667
Speaker 19: and we've executed that so far, and you know, hopefully

899
00:45:56,707 --> 00:45:59,707
Speaker 19: we continue to work hard and the results kept coming.

900
00:45:59,907 --> 00:46:02,067
Speaker 3: I want to talk about yesterday specifically in a moment,

901
00:46:02,147 --> 00:46:04,107
Speaker 3: but you alluded to it there. Three wins from your

902
00:46:04,147 --> 00:46:06,787
Speaker 3: first three games. That's the best ever started by an

903
00:46:06,827 --> 00:46:09,347
Speaker 3: A League club in the first three matches of their existence.

904
00:46:10,067 --> 00:46:12,747
Speaker 3: What have been the major reasons for the side's excellent

905
00:46:12,787 --> 00:46:15,307
Speaker 3: start of the season just collectively?

906
00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:18,627
Speaker 7: I know the gaffer and you know everyone at the club.

907
00:46:18,707 --> 00:46:20,987
Speaker 19: We've we've got a motto that we go together and

908
00:46:21,067 --> 00:46:24,467
Speaker 19: that's with everything, and you know that I think we've

909
00:46:24,507 --> 00:46:27,787
Speaker 19: got a really good bunch of foreigners, a bunch of Kiwis,

910
00:46:27,867 --> 00:46:30,307
Speaker 19: and a good mix of players that we will get along.

911
00:46:30,427 --> 00:46:32,387
Speaker 19: And you know, we all believe that we can we

912
00:46:32,427 --> 00:46:34,387
Speaker 19: can achieve something this year, and I think that that

913
00:46:34,507 --> 00:46:35,147
Speaker 19: goes a long way.

914
00:46:35,627 --> 00:46:38,067
Speaker 3: You came on yesterday with twenty to go. What we

915
00:46:38,187 --> 00:46:41,507
Speaker 3: are seeing from the sideline before you entered the action.

916
00:46:43,627 --> 00:46:46,707
Speaker 19: Luck obviously, you sit there and you watch, you watch

917
00:46:46,747 --> 00:46:49,307
Speaker 19: the game and you look at how everyone's defending, how

918
00:46:49,347 --> 00:46:51,747
Speaker 19: to keep his playing, And to be honest with you,

919
00:46:51,827 --> 00:46:53,507
Speaker 19: I sort of noticed that he took a bit too

920
00:46:53,587 --> 00:46:56,187
Speaker 19: long on the ball and he sort of, you know,

921
00:46:56,827 --> 00:46:58,347
Speaker 19: second guessed what he was going to do a lot

922
00:46:58,387 --> 00:47:00,867
Speaker 19: of the time. And if you watch the goal back

923
00:47:00,947 --> 00:47:03,707
Speaker 19: the first one, I actually anticipated that he'd cut back inside.

924
00:47:03,787 --> 00:47:06,067
Speaker 19: And you know, it's a game I have to take

925
00:47:06,107 --> 00:47:07,747
Speaker 19: as well, do you mean fat ball goes through, they

926
00:47:07,787 --> 00:47:10,747
Speaker 19: probably go up and counter attack us. So it was

927
00:47:11,187 --> 00:47:13,747
Speaker 19: a chance that I took, and you know, luckily enough

928
00:47:14,147 --> 00:47:16,867
Speaker 19: it paid off. And yeah, it was just unbelievable.

929
00:47:16,987 --> 00:47:19,907
Speaker 3: That's so interesting that you'd noticed that from watching. I mean,

930
00:47:19,947 --> 00:47:21,547
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know this to be true, but

931
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:23,227
Speaker 3: I'm sure some subs just sit there and just wait

932
00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:25,427
Speaker 3: to get the call without really taking hek of a

933
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:27,187
Speaker 3: lot of notice what's going on, but you'd noticed that

934
00:47:27,307 --> 00:47:30,547
Speaker 3: from Phoenix goalkeeper Josh all Away, immy that it might

935
00:47:30,627 --> 00:47:33,267
Speaker 3: be something you could capitalize on, Oh.

936
00:47:33,227 --> 00:47:33,827
Speaker 7: Without a doubt.

937
00:47:33,907 --> 00:47:34,107
Speaker 8: Yeah.

938
00:47:34,147 --> 00:47:37,147
Speaker 19: Look, I obviously was disappointed not to start the game,

939
00:47:37,267 --> 00:47:40,707
Speaker 19: but that was the decision the GAF had made. So

940
00:47:40,987 --> 00:47:44,587
Speaker 19: for me, it's you know, there's always a chance to

941
00:47:44,707 --> 00:47:46,827
Speaker 19: learn in the game and to learn when you're watching

942
00:47:46,827 --> 00:47:47,107
Speaker 19: as well.

943
00:47:47,107 --> 00:47:47,507
Speaker 11: You know what I mean.

944
00:47:47,547 --> 00:47:48,787
Speaker 19: You want to make a difference when you come off

945
00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:50,747
Speaker 19: the bench so that you put yourself in a position

946
00:47:50,867 --> 00:47:53,387
Speaker 19: to start every week. And you know I've had I've

947
00:47:53,427 --> 00:47:55,467
Speaker 19: had my ups and downs in pre season with injuries

948
00:47:55,507 --> 00:47:58,027
Speaker 19: and stuff like that. But I think, you know, it

949
00:47:58,107 --> 00:47:59,747
Speaker 19: was special to get those two goals, and you know

950
00:47:59,827 --> 00:48:03,947
Speaker 19: howefully my my confidential builds now and I can continue

951
00:48:03,987 --> 00:48:07,467
Speaker 19: to provide those things in a lot more games to come.

952
00:48:07,627 --> 00:48:10,187
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second goal with time just about up the

953
00:48:10,387 --> 00:48:11,947
Speaker 3: icing on the cake. I guess how nice they to

954
00:48:11,987 --> 00:48:13,067
Speaker 3: see that one rolling as well.

955
00:48:13,787 --> 00:48:15,347
Speaker 19: I was just I was happy for Lewis to me,

956
00:48:15,427 --> 00:48:18,347
Speaker 19: I know he's been through a light as well with football,

957
00:48:18,427 --> 00:48:20,347
Speaker 19: and you know, football has its ups and downs, but

958
00:48:21,507 --> 00:48:24,507
Speaker 19: he's sort of one young boy that's been you know

959
00:48:24,627 --> 00:48:28,587
Speaker 19: at Auckland that's impressed me the way he plays and

960
00:48:28,667 --> 00:48:33,347
Speaker 19: the way he conducts himself to football and the professionalism

961
00:48:33,467 --> 00:48:35,907
Speaker 19: he has. And for him to come on and make

962
00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:37,747
Speaker 19: an impact that he did was I was very happy

963
00:48:37,787 --> 00:48:38,987
Speaker 19: for him. So he put it on a play for

964
00:48:39,107 --> 00:48:41,827
Speaker 19: me and look, I'm not I don't score many tap ins.

965
00:48:41,787 --> 00:48:42,907
Speaker 12: So I can't complain.

966
00:48:43,467 --> 00:48:44,707
Speaker 7: I cannot complain with that one.

967
00:48:45,027 --> 00:48:46,707
Speaker 3: Oh they all count for one, mate, they all count

968
00:48:46,747 --> 00:48:50,147
Speaker 3: for one. Three clean sheets as well, so you know,

969
00:48:50,267 --> 00:48:53,067
Speaker 3: down the other end you remain unbreached. How pleasing is

970
00:48:53,107 --> 00:48:54,907
Speaker 3: it to have those three clean sheets as well?

971
00:48:56,427 --> 00:48:58,827
Speaker 19: Like you say, the back for ap You know, we

972
00:48:58,947 --> 00:49:01,187
Speaker 19: talk about the defenders, but I think as a team,

973
00:49:01,547 --> 00:49:04,427
Speaker 19: you know, you defend from the front, and I think

974
00:49:04,467 --> 00:49:07,507
Speaker 19: it's in order to win championshi in this league, you

975
00:49:07,587 --> 00:49:10,267
Speaker 19: need a good you need a you need clean sheets.

976
00:49:10,307 --> 00:49:12,267
Speaker 7: And you know we've done that in the past three games.

977
00:49:12,307 --> 00:49:14,907
Speaker 19: We don't look like conceding and we're a bunch that

978
00:49:15,387 --> 00:49:17,867
Speaker 19: are willing to work for each other and you know

979
00:49:18,027 --> 00:49:19,947
Speaker 19: that can, like you said, think that can win your trophies.

980
00:49:20,027 --> 00:49:22,467
Speaker 7: So yeah, we're we're doing very well back there and

981
00:49:22,747 --> 00:49:23,987
Speaker 7: you know, may we continue.

982
00:49:24,507 --> 00:49:26,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was always going to be a challenging day

983
00:49:26,187 --> 00:49:28,867
Speaker 3: for Alex Paulson for reasons we all understand. Not not

984
00:49:28,987 --> 00:49:31,747
Speaker 3: as fold of course, but that's what what football can

985
00:49:31,787 --> 00:49:34,427
Speaker 3: throw up sometimes. How much extra support, if any, did

986
00:49:34,507 --> 00:49:36,467
Speaker 3: you have to wrap around Alex Paulson this week?

987
00:49:37,227 --> 00:49:37,987
Speaker 7: One hundred percent?

988
00:49:38,147 --> 00:49:41,147
Speaker 19: You know, like I said, we go together with everything

989
00:49:41,227 --> 00:49:45,107
Speaker 19: you do. And you know, AP's he's a great kid.

990
00:49:45,307 --> 00:49:49,027
Speaker 19: He's he's brilliant and like you say, the gaffer had

991
00:49:49,067 --> 00:49:51,627
Speaker 19: words with this about it, and not that he needs it,

992
00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:53,307
Speaker 19: but he knew that we had his back at any

993
00:49:53,387 --> 00:49:55,387
Speaker 19: moment and in time of that game. And you know,

994
00:49:55,547 --> 00:49:58,667
Speaker 19: credit to him, to the person he hears is harmless

995
00:49:58,707 --> 00:49:59,947
Speaker 19: and he's such a good kid.

996
00:50:00,027 --> 00:50:02,067
Speaker 7: So it was an extra special one for us to

997
00:50:02,147 --> 00:50:03,187
Speaker 7: win against his whole team.

998
00:50:03,227 --> 00:50:03,787
Speaker 14: Put it that way.

999
00:50:04,387 --> 00:50:07,707
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the occasion over twenty stous in there yesterday. You've

1000
00:50:07,707 --> 00:50:10,107
Speaker 3: played in some big Melbourne derbies, Jake. I know this

1001
00:50:10,227 --> 00:50:12,907
Speaker 3: one's only just started, but how big do you think

1002
00:50:12,947 --> 00:50:13,507
Speaker 3: it might get?

1003
00:50:14,667 --> 00:50:16,347
Speaker 19: Well, put it this way, if it was twenty six

1004
00:50:16,427 --> 00:50:18,307
Speaker 19: thousand for the first ever derby, it's only going to

1005
00:50:18,347 --> 00:50:21,707
Speaker 19: get bigger and you can see that rivalry already. And

1006
00:50:21,987 --> 00:50:24,587
Speaker 19: you know, I mentioned it to Sky yesterday, Sky Sports

1007
00:50:24,627 --> 00:50:27,307
Speaker 19: that is, and I'd said that give it two three years.

1008
00:50:27,347 --> 00:50:29,867
Speaker 19: I'm telling you now this it will be, if not

1009
00:50:29,907 --> 00:50:32,467
Speaker 19: the biggest derby in the league. And that's exciting, you know,

1010
00:50:32,547 --> 00:50:34,787
Speaker 19: for Kiwei football. There's a lot of talent that I've

1011
00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:36,267
Speaker 19: noticed in Auckland.

1012
00:50:35,987 --> 00:50:39,107
Speaker 7: You know, and for the game and for the A

1013
00:50:39,267 --> 00:50:41,267
Speaker 7: league as well. I think it's just it's a beautiful thing.

1014
00:50:41,907 --> 00:50:43,987
Speaker 3: You've got the buy now and then the international break,

1015
00:50:44,067 --> 00:50:45,427
Speaker 3: so you haven't got a game for what two or

1016
00:50:45,427 --> 00:50:48,027
Speaker 3: three weeks? Is that a good thing? A bad thing?

1017
00:50:48,067 --> 00:50:50,187
Speaker 3: When you're on a roll? Would you rather just keep

1018
00:50:50,227 --> 00:50:50,627
Speaker 3: on playing?

1019
00:50:51,627 --> 00:50:54,187
Speaker 7: Look, if it was my choice, I'd prefer to keep playing.

1020
00:50:54,267 --> 00:50:56,587
Speaker 7: But I guess it's a chance for a few boys

1021
00:50:56,627 --> 00:50:57,147
Speaker 7: to freshen up.

1022
00:50:57,187 --> 00:50:59,147
Speaker 19: I know we've got a few internal games against each other,

1023
00:50:59,227 --> 00:51:01,787
Speaker 19: which is good, you know, for the likes of myself

1024
00:51:01,867 --> 00:51:04,107
Speaker 19: as well. Like I said, I was injured majority of

1025
00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:06,587
Speaker 19: pre season and sort of came back. I was sick

1026
00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:08,867
Speaker 19: last week. So for me, it's an opportunity now to

1027
00:51:10,187 --> 00:51:12,107
Speaker 19: to place and get some more minutes and you know,

1028
00:51:12,627 --> 00:51:14,307
Speaker 19: hopefully make that impact from the start of the game

1029
00:51:14,427 --> 00:51:15,507
Speaker 19: rather than coming off the bench.

1030
00:51:15,627 --> 00:51:16,787
Speaker 7: So it's an opportunity.

1031
00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:19,267
Speaker 19: But yeah, if you're asking me what I prefer, I

1032
00:51:19,347 --> 00:51:21,587
Speaker 19: prefer to continue this run because you know, the vibes

1033
00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:24,187
Speaker 19: are good right now and we just want to continue playing.

1034
00:51:24,707 --> 00:51:26,707
Speaker 3: How are you and your family enjoying living in Auckland.

1035
00:51:27,587 --> 00:51:31,427
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm with my partner, Amelia her name is we're

1036
00:51:31,507 --> 00:51:34,427
Speaker 19: loving it. My kids actually are with their mother back

1037
00:51:34,467 --> 00:51:36,667
Speaker 19: in Melbourne, which is quite difficult. It as a sacrifice,

1038
00:51:36,667 --> 00:51:39,707
Speaker 19: you know, my partner and I had to make in order,

1039
00:51:40,187 --> 00:51:43,387
Speaker 19: you know, to to continue my footballing career. I believe

1040
00:51:43,427 --> 00:51:46,027
Speaker 19: that Auckland's an opportunity for me to take it to

1041
00:51:46,107 --> 00:51:48,467
Speaker 19: the next step. It was a chance to start fresh

1042
00:51:48,547 --> 00:51:50,267
Speaker 19: and you don't get back to where I know I

1043
00:51:50,307 --> 00:51:53,627
Speaker 19: can get to, and it's been difficult without them, but

1044
00:51:53,987 --> 00:51:57,547
Speaker 19: I know that in the long run that it's it's

1045
00:51:57,587 --> 00:51:59,707
Speaker 19: a chance I'm willing to take and a sacrifice I'm

1046
00:51:59,707 --> 00:52:02,147
Speaker 19: willing to do. And you know, the kids come around

1047
00:52:02,747 --> 00:52:05,227
Speaker 19: every once a month for five days, which is lovely

1048
00:52:05,387 --> 00:52:08,987
Speaker 19: and yeah, it's it's my partner and I love Auckland,

1049
00:52:09,067 --> 00:52:10,507
Speaker 19: so I can't can't complain.

1050
00:52:10,747 --> 00:52:12,547
Speaker 3: Well, you just have to keep on scoring goals. You've

1051
00:52:12,627 --> 00:52:15,587
Speaker 3: you've got your trademark celebration for your daughter, Hazel. She

1052
00:52:15,667 --> 00:52:17,867
Speaker 3: got to see it twice yesterday twice, Jake.

1053
00:52:20,347 --> 00:52:22,347
Speaker 19: I'm hoping she watched the game. I'm hoping that she

1054
00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:24,747
Speaker 19: was in Melbourne watching the game somewhere, because yeah, it

1055
00:52:24,907 --> 00:52:27,467
Speaker 19: was like I said, you know, you sacrifice so much

1056
00:52:27,507 --> 00:52:30,107
Speaker 19: in football and the things you have to to do

1057
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:34,347
Speaker 19: in order to be successful and also you know, for

1058
00:52:34,467 --> 00:52:36,947
Speaker 19: your own footballing career, and you know, I was hoping

1059
00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:38,987
Speaker 19: she was watching so that you know she's seen it

1060
00:52:39,067 --> 00:52:39,907
Speaker 19: and she would have loved it.

1061
00:52:40,107 --> 00:52:41,507
Speaker 7: So I'm just praying she was.

1062
00:52:41,947 --> 00:52:43,547
Speaker 3: Absolutely And just to Finnish, I mean you must be

1063
00:52:43,627 --> 00:52:46,507
Speaker 3: dining out on the fact that an Australian has decided

1064
00:52:46,547 --> 00:52:47,947
Speaker 3: the first ever New Zealand derby.

1065
00:52:47,987 --> 00:52:48,227
Speaker 2: Mate.

1066
00:52:49,347 --> 00:52:50,867
Speaker 7: Look, I'm not complaining.

1067
00:52:51,907 --> 00:52:52,347
Speaker 13: Like you say.

1068
00:52:52,747 --> 00:52:55,027
Speaker 19: I've had a rough couple last year year in a

1069
00:52:55,067 --> 00:52:58,347
Speaker 19: bit with football. You know, I probably haven't executed what

1070
00:52:58,427 --> 00:53:00,547
Speaker 19: I know I can, and you know yesterday was the

1071
00:53:00,587 --> 00:53:04,467
Speaker 19: tipping point for me and I just yeah, I know

1072
00:53:04,627 --> 00:53:07,267
Speaker 19: my confidence now will be up and like you say,

1073
00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:10,027
Speaker 19: to be the first ever player in a Kiwi derby

1074
00:53:10,107 --> 00:53:11,467
Speaker 19: to do that can't complain.

1075
00:53:13,067 --> 00:53:15,067
Speaker 3: Congrats Jake, safe travels mate, good to yet to.

1076
00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:17,507
Speaker 7: You legend, thanks mate, rate no, thank you Jake.

1077
00:53:17,587 --> 00:53:20,667
Speaker 3: Jake Bremmer two goals yesterday, vice captain of the side,

1078
00:53:20,747 --> 00:53:24,707
Speaker 3: off the bench and one of the key figures in

1079
00:53:24,787 --> 00:53:27,107
Speaker 3: the game. Be came to hear your thoughts on the derby,

1080
00:53:27,267 --> 00:53:30,427
Speaker 3: especially if you were there, if you went along, or

1081
00:53:30,467 --> 00:53:32,587
Speaker 3: if you watched it, anything that stood out for you, Oh,

1082
00:53:32,667 --> 00:53:34,227
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I thought it was

1083
00:53:34,267 --> 00:53:39,147
Speaker 3: a terrific occasion, that the occasion was superb. Plenty of

1084
00:53:39,267 --> 00:53:41,307
Speaker 3: hype around about this game and the lead up to it,

1085
00:53:41,387 --> 00:53:44,707
Speaker 3: and I think it delivered. There's a replay actually up

1086
00:53:44,787 --> 00:53:47,147
Speaker 3: on the TV in the studio here right now, and

1087
00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,627
Speaker 3: just looking at the crowd over twenty six thousand. That

1088
00:53:50,787 --> 00:53:53,387
Speaker 3: is a record for the Phoenix for a regular season game.

1089
00:53:53,827 --> 00:53:59,387
Speaker 3: A huge number of traveling fans as well, and they

1090
00:53:59,427 --> 00:54:02,147
Speaker 3: were awesome. They were They really added to the color

1091
00:54:03,787 --> 00:54:05,827
Speaker 3: of the of the occasion. It was a shame. It

1092
00:54:06,027 --> 00:54:10,267
Speaker 3: was a shame that one of the key moments in

1093
00:54:10,347 --> 00:54:15,307
Speaker 3: the game was a mistake rather than a moment of brilliance.

1094
00:54:16,387 --> 00:54:19,387
Speaker 3: An error by Wellington Phoenix goalkeeper Josh Oloway Emmy.

1095
00:54:19,627 --> 00:54:19,747
Speaker 14: Now.

1096
00:54:19,907 --> 00:54:23,627
Speaker 3: Errors by goalkeepers, of course, are magnified. If a midfielder

1097
00:54:23,787 --> 00:54:25,947
Speaker 3: or a striker out on any other part of the

1098
00:54:26,027 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 3: field misplaces a pass, it normally doesn't matter, But when

1099
00:54:30,027 --> 00:54:33,627
Speaker 3: a goalkeeper does it, the consequences are often far more severe,

1100
00:54:33,747 --> 00:54:37,507
Speaker 3: and that proved to be the case yesterday. A misplaced

1101
00:54:37,587 --> 00:54:40,987
Speaker 3: pass in your own penalty area is always going to

1102
00:54:41,027 --> 00:54:44,467
Speaker 3: be fraught with danger. But if your plan is to

1103
00:54:44,587 --> 00:54:47,547
Speaker 3: play out from the back to try and draw players

1104
00:54:47,587 --> 00:54:50,707
Speaker 3: in and create space for counterattacks to begin, you can't

1105
00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:52,947
Speaker 3: just bin it the first time it doesn't go right.

1106
00:54:52,987 --> 00:54:54,867
Speaker 3: You can't just say, okay, well we gave that a go.

1107
00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:56,507
Speaker 3: It didn't work. We've given up a goal. Now we'll

1108
00:54:56,547 --> 00:55:00,107
Speaker 3: try something else. The Phoenix scored several goals last season

1109
00:55:00,707 --> 00:55:04,947
Speaker 3: using that method. Do not expect them to change it

1110
00:55:04,987 --> 00:55:08,427
Speaker 3: because of one mistake. They're going to keep playing out

1111
00:55:08,427 --> 00:55:10,107
Speaker 3: from the back. I can also tell you that the

1112
00:55:10,227 --> 00:55:16,547
Speaker 3: man in question, Phoenix goalkeeper josh oliway Yemi, stayed out

1113
00:55:17,107 --> 00:55:20,467
Speaker 3: after the game and signed every single autograph and posed

1114
00:55:20,507 --> 00:55:23,027
Speaker 3: for every single selfie for the fans who line up

1115
00:55:23,107 --> 00:55:27,187
Speaker 3: after every game to meet the players. He could easily

1116
00:55:27,387 --> 00:55:29,947
Speaker 3: have gone and under the stands and hid. I would

1117
00:55:30,027 --> 00:55:32,107
Speaker 3: have I'd be getting out of there as quick as

1118
00:55:32,147 --> 00:55:35,467
Speaker 3: I could. He didn't do that. I've seen plenty of

1119
00:55:35,587 --> 00:55:40,067
Speaker 3: players go straight under the stands, having made far less

1120
00:55:40,147 --> 00:55:42,787
Speaker 3: high profile mistakes than that, but not josh Olawa Jemy.

1121
00:55:42,987 --> 00:55:47,667
Speaker 3: He stayed out there, shook hands with the fans, the selfies,

1122
00:55:48,267 --> 00:55:53,587
Speaker 3: had chats. When really insight, he must have been mortified

1123
00:55:53,707 --> 00:55:58,107
Speaker 3: with his part in Auckland FC's goal, the first one anyway,

1124
00:55:58,187 --> 00:56:01,027
Speaker 3: so I thought it was really classy what he did. Superbocation.

1125
00:56:01,147 --> 00:56:03,987
Speaker 3: Is to say, more people there yesterday at the same

1126
00:56:04,107 --> 00:56:07,827
Speaker 3: venue than the all black Argentina test. I never thought

1127
00:56:07,867 --> 00:56:10,787
Speaker 3: I would see the day that two New Zealand football

1128
00:56:10,787 --> 00:56:13,307
Speaker 3: sides would to correct the crowd like that. Keevy Darby's

1129
00:56:13,347 --> 00:56:15,787
Speaker 3: going to be appointment viewing. Oh eight one hundred and

1130
00:56:15,867 --> 00:56:18,987
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. What did you think of it, Derek?

1131
00:56:20,067 --> 00:56:20,187
Speaker 9: Oh?

1132
00:56:20,267 --> 00:56:22,707
Speaker 10: Look, I loved it. I loved it. I was around

1133
00:56:22,747 --> 00:56:25,907
Speaker 10: with my brother watching it, and we're both born in Auckland,

1134
00:56:25,987 --> 00:56:29,707
Speaker 10: so and I noticed as soon as Auckland scored any

1135
00:56:29,787 --> 00:56:32,827
Speaker 10: we're crazy. And then I enjoyed the victory and I

1136
00:56:32,947 --> 00:56:35,027
Speaker 10: was sort of, yeah, obviously, I love the Phoenix for

1137
00:56:35,187 --> 00:56:37,947
Speaker 10: a long time and now of course, but born in Auckland, obviously,

1138
00:56:38,067 --> 00:56:40,627
Speaker 10: you know I have to give I have to give

1139
00:56:40,667 --> 00:56:43,107
Speaker 10: some portcu walklers and plus also Mount Smart. It's not

1140
00:56:43,147 --> 00:56:45,347
Speaker 10: a million miles from Botany, so it's easy for me

1141
00:56:45,427 --> 00:56:47,387
Speaker 10: to get to the ground and watch the game. But

1142
00:56:48,027 --> 00:56:51,147
Speaker 10: as far as goalkeepers go, take the var out of it,

1143
00:56:51,267 --> 00:56:53,347
Speaker 10: because that's the biggest bloke in the game for me

1144
00:56:53,587 --> 00:56:55,307
Speaker 10: all around the world at the moment. But the other

1145
00:56:55,387 --> 00:56:57,027
Speaker 10: thing for me that really gets up my nose in

1146
00:56:57,067 --> 00:56:59,867
Speaker 10: the modern game, and maybe people to say I'm out

1147
00:56:59,867 --> 00:57:02,307
Speaker 10: of step and out of time, but when I see

1148
00:57:02,347 --> 00:57:04,787
Speaker 10: a goalkeeper, I want a goalkeeper to take crosses. I

1149
00:57:04,907 --> 00:57:07,227
Speaker 10: wanted to be brilliant when it comes the shot stopping

1150
00:57:07,307 --> 00:57:09,547
Speaker 10: and one old one is and coming out and being intimidating.

1151
00:57:10,107 --> 00:57:12,507
Speaker 10: You know, it really gets up my nose when I

1152
00:57:12,667 --> 00:57:16,147
Speaker 10: see a back four or a back three these days

1153
00:57:16,427 --> 00:57:17,907
Speaker 10: turn around and say, well we're in a little bit

1154
00:57:17,907 --> 00:57:19,187
Speaker 10: of trouble, we're a little bit of pressure.

1155
00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:19,827
Speaker 13: We'll tell you what we'll do.

1156
00:57:19,947 --> 00:57:21,667
Speaker 10: We'll push it back to the goalkeeper and he can

1157
00:57:21,707 --> 00:57:23,587
Speaker 10: beat two players and had a fifty yard pass and

1158
00:57:23,627 --> 00:57:26,147
Speaker 10: sput the defense. I mean that's not really for me

1159
00:57:26,267 --> 00:57:28,147
Speaker 10: what the goalkeeper's role is.

1160
00:57:28,227 --> 00:57:28,347
Speaker 2: Now.

1161
00:57:28,387 --> 00:57:31,867
Speaker 10: I understand that the Phoenix goalkeeper is playing to instruction

1162
00:57:32,107 --> 00:57:35,427
Speaker 10: and when he gets into the changing room, I tell you,

1163
00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,067
Speaker 10: I will say, you know, you keep on doing what

1164
00:57:37,107 --> 00:57:38,787
Speaker 10: you're doing, because that's why we've brought you in here.

1165
00:57:39,387 --> 00:57:41,787
Speaker 10: But when I hear a manager or a head coach

1166
00:57:41,907 --> 00:57:43,587
Speaker 10: come out in the media and so I've just signed

1167
00:57:43,587 --> 00:57:47,027
Speaker 10: a new goalkeeper and he's brilliant on the ground. Oh yeah,

1168
00:57:47,067 --> 00:57:48,907
Speaker 10: he's great on the ground. He can control it like

1169
00:57:48,947 --> 00:57:51,627
Speaker 10: an outfield player. As part of being the modern goalkeeper

1170
00:57:51,707 --> 00:57:55,387
Speaker 10: these days, I feel like screaming over the over the outside.

1171
00:57:55,467 --> 00:57:57,307
Speaker 10: I really it drives me insane.

1172
00:57:57,707 --> 00:57:57,827
Speaker 8: You know.

1173
00:57:57,907 --> 00:58:01,227
Speaker 10: A couple of times I saw this Phoenix goalkeeper in

1174
00:58:01,307 --> 00:58:04,627
Speaker 10: the game against Western and then the game in Perth,

1175
00:58:05,027 --> 00:58:08,387
Speaker 10: and then yesterday I was thinking to myself, every time

1176
00:58:08,387 --> 00:58:10,107
Speaker 10: they have a cornation, you put it right under the

1177
00:58:10,147 --> 00:58:12,067
Speaker 10: bar and let him try and take across, because he

1178
00:58:12,147 --> 00:58:14,267
Speaker 10: looks like a vampire at times when it comes to crossing.

1179
00:58:14,587 --> 00:58:16,747
Speaker 10: He really does. And yesterday he took one in the

1180
00:58:16,787 --> 00:58:20,187
Speaker 10: second half and yeah, the wind was nasty and swirling,

1181
00:58:20,747 --> 00:58:23,227
Speaker 10: but he dropped it and he was luckily he fell

1182
00:58:23,347 --> 00:58:24,867
Speaker 10: right on the top of it, and I thought to myself,

1183
00:58:24,907 --> 00:58:27,187
Speaker 10: they should be doing that the whole time. Whereas you

1184
00:58:27,227 --> 00:58:30,547
Speaker 10: look at Poulton, of course, who was the top class goalkeepers,

1185
00:58:30,587 --> 00:58:34,067
Speaker 10: really proven in this level, he took us a lot easier.

1186
00:58:34,107 --> 00:58:36,147
Speaker 10: But I've just noticed the FeNiS goalkeeper is a little

1187
00:58:36,147 --> 00:58:38,267
Speaker 10: bit wek. Yes, he is good on the ground, but

1188
00:58:38,787 --> 00:58:41,107
Speaker 10: when he comes to playing around at the back, for me,

1189
00:58:41,347 --> 00:58:44,467
Speaker 10: that's not a goalkeeper's position. Two minutes out from the

1190
00:58:44,627 --> 00:58:46,587
Speaker 10: end of the game, or even two minutes out from

1191
00:58:46,627 --> 00:58:49,307
Speaker 10: the end of the first half, now you just you

1192
00:58:49,427 --> 00:58:51,227
Speaker 10: send it, you send it forward. I mean, I don't

1193
00:58:51,307 --> 00:58:56,147
Speaker 10: understand why managers don't sign central defenders who are comfortable

1194
00:58:56,187 --> 00:58:58,387
Speaker 10: on the ball, that John Stone down and Hanson type

1195
00:58:58,427 --> 00:59:00,587
Speaker 10: player who can just bring the ball down and start

1196
00:59:00,627 --> 00:59:02,707
Speaker 10: playing around, not giving back to the goalkeeper. Because the

1197
00:59:02,747 --> 00:59:05,027
Speaker 10: other thing behind a goalkeeper is a net. It's not

1198
00:59:05,067 --> 00:59:07,427
Speaker 10: a safety net, it's the goal and what's the knee

1199
00:59:07,507 --> 00:59:08,267
Speaker 10: one kneel down.

1200
00:59:08,227 --> 00:59:08,947
Speaker 17: So that.

1201
00:59:10,467 --> 00:59:12,707
Speaker 3: I want just just on that though I don't think

1202
00:59:12,747 --> 00:59:15,227
Speaker 3: the two things are mutually exclusive. Just because you're good

1203
00:59:15,267 --> 00:59:17,107
Speaker 3: with your feet or not good with your feet, doesn't

1204
00:59:17,107 --> 00:59:18,467
Speaker 3: mean you're good with your hands or not good with

1205
00:59:18,507 --> 00:59:21,107
Speaker 3: your hands. You can be both and Paulson's a good example, Derek.

1206
00:59:21,147 --> 00:59:23,667
Speaker 3: As you know, and I know that you know. The

1207
00:59:23,867 --> 00:59:27,947
Speaker 3: philosophy behind having a keeper become part of the passing

1208
00:59:28,027 --> 00:59:29,827
Speaker 3: movement out from the back. It's to create, you know,

1209
00:59:29,947 --> 00:59:33,947
Speaker 3: an overload. You know, if you pass through an attacking press,

1210
00:59:34,027 --> 00:59:35,787
Speaker 3: then you you, you know, you open up space in

1211
00:59:35,827 --> 00:59:37,947
Speaker 3: the middle of the park with which you can you know,

1212
00:59:38,267 --> 00:59:41,227
Speaker 3: maybe mount a counter attack, which the Phoenix did effectively

1213
00:59:41,307 --> 00:59:45,107
Speaker 3: a lot last season. So look, I know you understand it,

1214
00:59:45,187 --> 00:59:47,067
Speaker 3: but I also a big part of me also loves

1215
00:59:47,107 --> 00:59:49,867
Speaker 3: the loves the old school butt of it. Your keepers

1216
00:59:49,867 --> 00:59:51,227
Speaker 3: there just to keep the ball out of the net

1217
00:59:51,307 --> 00:59:52,827
Speaker 3: using any part of his body you can, So you

1218
00:59:52,827 --> 00:59:54,947
Speaker 3: should be able to do that first before anything else.

1219
00:59:56,067 --> 00:59:58,267
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I also like the way these two clubs

1220
00:59:58,307 --> 01:00:01,187
Speaker 10: of the culture is already out there, isn't it. Phoenix

1221
01:00:01,307 --> 01:00:04,747
Speaker 10: with their development and the position of football, some people

1222
01:00:04,787 --> 01:00:06,747
Speaker 10: say they passed the ball to death, but like the

1223
01:00:06,787 --> 01:00:09,467
Speaker 10: way they play and yesterday fit short periods of time,

1224
01:00:09,787 --> 01:00:12,067
Speaker 10: well long periods at times, they did pass the ball

1225
01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:15,587
Speaker 10: absolutely brilliantly. And Alex Rufer, who obviously was injured leading

1226
01:00:15,627 --> 01:00:17,867
Speaker 10: into the game, determined to play. I thought he had

1227
01:00:17,907 --> 01:00:20,627
Speaker 10: a blinder. I thought he had a blinder of a match.

1228
01:00:20,667 --> 01:00:22,787
Speaker 10: And he's a heart and soul of that team as well.

1229
01:00:22,827 --> 01:00:24,547
Speaker 10: And he made a cross in the I think it

1230
01:00:24,627 --> 01:00:26,867
Speaker 10: was in the second half where they really should have

1231
01:00:26,907 --> 01:00:28,547
Speaker 10: put it away. There should have been wonder up but

1232
01:00:28,707 --> 01:00:30,787
Speaker 10: somehow he contrived to miss a hitter right out in

1233
01:00:30,787 --> 01:00:32,467
Speaker 10: front of this Japanese guy. But then you have a

1234
01:00:32,507 --> 01:00:35,467
Speaker 10: look at Auckland, who don't normally dominate possession, well they

1235
01:00:35,507 --> 01:00:37,827
Speaker 10: haven't in the games we've seen so far. They really

1236
01:00:37,987 --> 01:00:41,107
Speaker 10: are much more direct, much more direct. And there you

1237
01:00:41,187 --> 01:00:44,627
Speaker 10: look at three of the back four, the Japanese captain

1238
01:00:46,187 --> 01:00:49,987
Speaker 10: Hall from they signed from the Maritors, and Pinico I've

1239
01:00:50,027 --> 01:00:53,267
Speaker 10: seen before. They are very very big, they're very very strong,

1240
01:00:53,387 --> 01:00:55,547
Speaker 10: very very powerful, and they've got their Belgian midfield up

1241
01:00:55,627 --> 01:00:58,307
Speaker 10: six in the front. They are very difficult to break down.

1242
01:00:58,347 --> 01:01:00,387
Speaker 10: But when they break, they break really quickly. But if

1243
01:01:00,427 --> 01:01:03,067
Speaker 10: I was going to play against Auckland tomorrow, and this

1244
01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:05,747
Speaker 10: is I guess this is a compliment rather than a criticism.

1245
01:01:05,987 --> 01:01:08,027
Speaker 10: If I was planning against him tomorrow, I'd say in

1246
01:01:08,107 --> 01:01:10,507
Speaker 10: the last third of the field or they rely a

1247
01:01:10,627 --> 01:01:16,027
Speaker 10: lot on Liam Gillian. He is the creator spark. He

1248
01:01:16,107 --> 01:01:18,427
Speaker 10: can score goals. He's got a great touch, he's very

1249
01:01:18,467 --> 01:01:20,227
Speaker 10: two footed, hard to work out with his left footed

1250
01:01:20,227 --> 01:01:21,867
Speaker 10: and right footed. I think he's going to be a

1251
01:01:21,907 --> 01:01:24,467
Speaker 10: goal threat and the season goes on. But take you

1252
01:01:24,627 --> 01:01:27,827
Speaker 10: take away his impact, which I thought Tim Payne would

1253
01:01:27,827 --> 01:01:30,427
Speaker 10: try and do yesterday, although Tim Painn said him be

1254
01:01:30,427 --> 01:01:32,267
Speaker 10: more interested in getting forward down the right hand side,

1255
01:01:32,587 --> 01:01:34,307
Speaker 10: but they didn't do that, and I think you can't

1256
01:01:34,387 --> 01:01:36,347
Speaker 10: leave me the danger man. I think he's getting better

1257
01:01:36,427 --> 01:01:37,027
Speaker 10: with every game.

1258
01:01:37,627 --> 01:01:39,907
Speaker 3: I think they did early. I think they did early. Derek, Yeah,

1259
01:01:39,907 --> 01:01:41,947
Speaker 3: I think they did early. I didn't. I remember thinking

1260
01:01:42,107 --> 01:01:44,467
Speaker 3: as I was watching the game that Gillian wasn't as

1261
01:01:44,547 --> 01:01:47,747
Speaker 3: involved early in the game as he grew into the

1262
01:01:47,827 --> 01:01:51,387
Speaker 3: game and became more of a three. But I think well,

1263
01:01:51,587 --> 01:01:53,387
Speaker 3: from my eyes anyway, I think in the first twenty

1264
01:01:53,427 --> 01:01:57,307
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes he wasn't as effective as he he

1265
01:01:57,427 --> 01:01:59,427
Speaker 3: has been in the in the earlier games. Hey, Derek,

1266
01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:01,067
Speaker 3: got to move make got a bunch of call stacking up,

1267
01:02:01,067 --> 01:02:03,107
Speaker 3: but always good chatting football with you. Thanks for thanks

1268
01:02:03,147 --> 01:02:05,787
Speaker 3: for calling. In one twenty seven, We'll get a breakaway

1269
01:02:05,827 --> 01:02:07,867
Speaker 3: come back eight hundred and eighty ten eighty to talk

1270
01:02:07,947 --> 01:02:10,827
Speaker 3: some football the Derby, particularly if you were there or

1271
01:02:10,827 --> 01:02:13,747
Speaker 3: anything you picked up on from watching on television. Eight

1272
01:02:13,867 --> 01:02:15,187
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty Back in a.

1273
01:02:15,187 --> 01:02:20,707
Speaker 1: Second one Crutch hold Ngage Weekend Sports with Jason Tame

1274
01:02:20,907 --> 01:02:24,387
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's I Was Trusted home Builder

1275
01:02:24,547 --> 01:02:25,867
Speaker 1: News talks a baby.

1276
01:02:26,067 --> 01:02:28,147
Speaker 3: Bang on one p thirty talking football at the moment,

1277
01:02:28,427 --> 01:02:32,707
Speaker 3: Andy says, not producer Andy, but Andy on text acknowledged

1278
01:02:32,707 --> 01:02:34,507
Speaker 3: it was an error by the goalkeeper. But with a

1279
01:02:34,587 --> 01:02:37,187
Speaker 3: pressing attack and instructions from the coach to play out

1280
01:02:37,227 --> 01:02:39,667
Speaker 3: at all costs, this will happen from time to time,

1281
01:02:39,947 --> 01:02:42,387
Speaker 3: Andy bang On, And it did last year to Alex Paulson.

1282
01:02:42,467 --> 01:02:45,387
Speaker 3: I remember Alex Paulson giving up a goal, not in

1283
01:02:46,067 --> 01:02:49,827
Speaker 3: exactly the same circumstances as Josh all Away yem me yesterday,

1284
01:02:50,347 --> 01:02:52,987
Speaker 3: but an errands passed from the back that was picked

1285
01:02:53,067 --> 01:02:55,667
Speaker 3: up by an opposition player and they went on to

1286
01:02:55,707 --> 01:02:59,307
Speaker 3: score a goal. It happens. It's collateral damage. But like

1287
01:02:59,387 --> 01:03:01,387
Speaker 3: I said before, it's not going to stop them playing

1288
01:03:01,467 --> 01:03:06,547
Speaker 3: this way because they believe the reward far outweigh the

1289
01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:10,747
Speaker 3: risk and the potential damage. They'll continue to play this way.

1290
01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:15,987
Speaker 3: There's nothing shorer, nothing shorer about a hammer. Hello, hey, pony,

1291
01:03:16,067 --> 01:03:17,187
Speaker 3: how are you good Man?

1292
01:03:17,267 --> 01:03:21,627
Speaker 20: Good dodged the bullet this morning, so help. But that

1293
01:03:21,787 --> 01:03:24,587
Speaker 20: was good after yeah, the derby, But what a.

1294
01:03:24,627 --> 01:03:28,787
Speaker 11: Day out of the Caps and the twenty six k

1295
01:03:30,227 --> 01:03:31,387
Speaker 11: roaring the banter.

1296
01:03:31,667 --> 01:03:33,587
Speaker 21: You know, what's the most we probably had in that

1297
01:03:33,667 --> 01:03:37,667
Speaker 21: away based thirty Melbourne heart outs over there over the

1298
01:03:37,787 --> 01:03:38,707
Speaker 21: last fifteen years.

1299
01:03:38,787 --> 01:03:43,707
Speaker 20: But that was a mean day and yeah, just ruined

1300
01:03:43,747 --> 01:03:44,307
Speaker 20: by the result.

1301
01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:48,947
Speaker 11: To be fair, the I don't know they I felt

1302
01:03:48,947 --> 01:03:51,747
Speaker 11: like they deserved the win. But you know it's footy, right,

1303
01:03:51,867 --> 01:03:53,187
Speaker 11: you can hang in there.

1304
01:03:55,187 --> 01:03:57,347
Speaker 20: Our Japanese strikers up and watched much a league so

1305
01:03:57,427 --> 01:03:57,987
Speaker 20: for this season.

1306
01:03:58,067 --> 01:04:00,227
Speaker 11: Throw a pony, but is it a shiggy man? How

1307
01:04:00,547 --> 01:04:01,907
Speaker 11: how did that miss that header?

1308
01:04:02,387 --> 01:04:05,467
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know, yeah, I think if the end this

1309
01:04:05,507 --> 01:04:09,427
Speaker 3: time again, he wouldn't it because it's it's kind of

1310
01:04:09,467 --> 01:04:11,547
Speaker 3: at shinn height and I think he's just kind of

1311
01:04:11,587 --> 01:04:13,667
Speaker 3: got caught in two minds. What am I doing here?

1312
01:04:13,747 --> 01:04:16,267
Speaker 3: And he and he decides to head the ball and

1313
01:04:16,347 --> 01:04:18,427
Speaker 3: he heads it down into the turf and up over

1314
01:04:18,507 --> 01:04:20,267
Speaker 3: the bar. So it was Yeah, they say, you should

1315
01:04:20,307 --> 01:04:23,027
Speaker 3: hit the ball down, but we're just going to bounce

1316
01:04:23,067 --> 01:04:24,507
Speaker 3: something over the bar. I think if they had this

1317
01:04:24,587 --> 01:04:26,267
Speaker 3: time again, he'd probably just swing and ford out.

1318
01:04:27,427 --> 01:04:30,347
Speaker 20: But yeah, they were sort of worth their was on.

1319
01:04:30,467 --> 01:04:33,587
Speaker 21: They look pretty pretty handy, I think where obviously, you know,

1320
01:04:34,067 --> 01:04:36,467
Speaker 21: we have these guys who go, well, I've been old.

1321
01:04:36,347 --> 01:04:40,507
Speaker 20: And obviously Poulson last year and I feel I were

1322
01:04:40,627 --> 01:04:41,827
Speaker 20: lacking a bit of creativity.

1323
01:04:42,227 --> 01:04:44,227
Speaker 11: We sort of got bust a bit in that game

1324
01:04:44,307 --> 01:04:47,667
Speaker 11: for most of it. Yeah, I'll be older.

1325
01:04:47,907 --> 01:04:49,747
Speaker 15: You know, the game sped up when he got the ball.

1326
01:04:50,347 --> 01:04:52,987
Speaker 21: Last season and crazy was he here's a busy fella too,

1327
01:04:53,107 --> 01:04:56,987
Speaker 21: But yeah, or Costa was, you know, because.

1328
01:04:57,107 --> 01:04:59,827
Speaker 13: They've got big ports too at the back all over

1329
01:04:59,907 --> 01:05:00,187
Speaker 13: the park.

1330
01:05:00,227 --> 01:05:02,027
Speaker 11: Actually, so I don't know.

1331
01:05:02,907 --> 01:05:04,787
Speaker 20: I hope that I won it in the first season on.

1332
01:05:07,507 --> 01:05:09,987
Speaker 3: Be annoying for us as well, it's for sure. Look,

1333
01:05:10,147 --> 01:05:12,067
Speaker 3: I think they've man have started well, haven't they.

1334
01:05:12,147 --> 01:05:12,307
Speaker 9: You know?

1335
01:05:12,387 --> 01:05:14,387
Speaker 3: And the thing about the A League that history tells

1336
01:05:14,467 --> 01:05:16,747
Speaker 3: us as momentum as a thing in this league. You know,

1337
01:05:16,867 --> 01:05:20,787
Speaker 3: if you look three from three, you can't do much

1338
01:05:20,827 --> 01:05:22,827
Speaker 3: better than that. Look, they'll go through peaks and troughs.

1339
01:05:22,867 --> 01:05:25,387
Speaker 3: Every team, well, and I think it's only it's only

1340
01:05:26,187 --> 01:05:28,307
Speaker 3: round three, so I don't think Phoenix fan shill worry either.

1341
01:05:28,347 --> 01:05:29,987
Speaker 3: But no, I think if you look at that game

1342
01:05:30,067 --> 01:05:32,787
Speaker 3: yesterday and try and be object objective, which we should,

1343
01:05:33,027 --> 01:05:35,147
Speaker 3: I think Auckland probably feel like they deserve to win

1344
01:05:35,187 --> 01:05:35,427
Speaker 3: the game.

1345
01:05:36,947 --> 01:05:37,627
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, Bra.

1346
01:05:38,187 --> 01:05:39,587
Speaker 20: Anyways, early season.

1347
01:05:39,947 --> 01:05:41,867
Speaker 5: Come on you next, Come on you next.

1348
01:05:41,907 --> 01:05:45,387
Speaker 3: It's only November. A Padahama, we got lots of summer

1349
01:05:45,467 --> 01:05:47,907
Speaker 3: days ahead. Thanks for calling him, mate, I was at

1350
01:05:47,947 --> 01:05:52,307
Speaker 3: the game, says this text. Great game by Auckland. The

1351
01:05:52,387 --> 01:05:57,347
Speaker 3: Phoenix played defensive end and work for them. Apart from

1352
01:05:57,387 --> 01:05:59,867
Speaker 3: the goals that Jake Brimmer scored. You know, I'm just

1353
01:05:59,987 --> 01:06:03,267
Speaker 3: trying to remember some real clear cut chances for either

1354
01:06:03,347 --> 01:06:05,067
Speaker 3: side actually, and there were some. And the one that

1355
01:06:05,147 --> 01:06:10,587
Speaker 3: a Padahammagist reference there was probably the most obvious. Alex Ruffer,

1356
01:06:10,867 --> 01:06:13,707
Speaker 3: who wasn't even supposed to play but did failed to

1357
01:06:13,827 --> 01:06:16,147
Speaker 3: a past the fitness test and played his one hundred

1358
01:06:16,387 --> 01:06:20,467
Speaker 3: and fiftieth game puts this crossing and yeah, hideki Ashiga,

1359
01:06:20,507 --> 01:06:23,867
Speaker 3: the new Japanese striker, went to head the ball instead

1360
01:06:23,907 --> 01:06:26,627
Speaker 3: of kind of volleying it perhaps, and headed it down,

1361
01:06:26,747 --> 01:06:28,587
Speaker 3: bounced off the turf and up over the bar. That

1362
01:06:28,747 --> 01:06:31,747
Speaker 3: was probably the best opportunity for the Phoenix Auckland f C.

1363
01:06:31,747 --> 01:06:33,907
Speaker 3: He had a couple of others all away. Emmy made

1364
01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:38,267
Speaker 3: a couple of good saves. Yeah, I go back to

1365
01:06:38,347 --> 01:06:41,267
Speaker 3: the occasion, though, I keep going back to the occasion

1366
01:06:42,107 --> 01:06:45,627
Speaker 3: twenty six thousand. The next time these two teams play

1367
01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:48,107
Speaker 3: each other is actually not that far away. It's on

1368
01:06:48,267 --> 01:06:51,547
Speaker 3: the seventh of December, and it's back up in Auckland.

1369
01:06:52,947 --> 01:06:56,387
Speaker 3: As I understand that tickets are pretty much or they're

1370
01:06:56,507 --> 01:07:00,547
Speaker 3: selling very quickly already. I don't think. I'm pretty sure

1371
01:07:00,587 --> 01:07:04,027
Speaker 3: it's not sold out yet, but that will be another

1372
01:07:04,507 --> 01:07:05,467
Speaker 3: belting occasion.

1373
01:07:06,667 --> 01:07:06,867
Speaker 9: We know.

1374
01:07:06,987 --> 01:07:09,347
Speaker 3: In the opening game for Auckland FC, they sold it out,

1375
01:07:09,387 --> 01:07:14,387
Speaker 3: didn't they. They may well sell out that derby as well.

1376
01:07:14,627 --> 01:07:17,747
Speaker 3: I've got a couple more games before that. But on Saturday,

1377
01:07:17,827 --> 01:07:22,027
Speaker 3: the seventh of December, it's a derby two point zero,

1378
01:07:22,147 --> 01:07:24,227
Speaker 3: shall we call it? When these two teams meet again,

1379
01:07:24,267 --> 01:07:28,467
Speaker 3: but this time on Auckland's home ground. If they keep

1380
01:07:28,507 --> 01:07:30,827
Speaker 3: playing the way they are, they could well still be

1381
01:07:30,947 --> 01:07:32,947
Speaker 3: unbeaten through the next there's no game for them next week.

1382
01:07:32,947 --> 01:07:35,107
Speaker 3: They've got to buy then the international break, so I've

1383
01:07:35,147 --> 01:07:36,547
Speaker 3: only got I think they've only got two more games

1384
01:07:36,587 --> 01:07:38,947
Speaker 3: before they play the Phoenix again. But of a quirk

1385
01:07:38,987 --> 01:07:41,787
Speaker 3: of the draw. Can I just go back to the

1386
01:07:41,867 --> 01:07:46,387
Speaker 3: rugby very quickly, just before we get to James mconey.

1387
01:07:46,867 --> 01:07:50,347
Speaker 3: One thing I meant to mention last hour, and I

1388
01:07:50,467 --> 01:07:55,027
Speaker 3: discussed it briefly with Scott Hansen, is this deliberate knock

1389
01:07:55,067 --> 01:08:01,347
Speaker 3: on rule. It has to be tidied up. I'm talking

1390
01:08:01,387 --> 01:08:06,147
Speaker 3: about Caleb Clark deliberately or being adjudged to have deliberately

1391
01:08:06,187 --> 01:08:08,507
Speaker 3: not the ball on. I'm not sure if you remember

1392
01:08:08,547 --> 01:08:10,787
Speaker 3: the incident Boden Barrett sprinted away. It was early in

1393
01:08:10,827 --> 01:08:13,827
Speaker 3: the second half. Sprinted Away scored a try and you

1394
01:08:13,867 --> 01:08:15,587
Speaker 3: know we all started to celebrate, but then it was

1395
01:08:15,627 --> 01:08:19,387
Speaker 3: called back because Caleb Clark had deliberately knocked the ball on. Now,

1396
01:08:20,547 --> 01:08:22,267
Speaker 3: if you haven't had a look at this, search it up.

1397
01:08:22,307 --> 01:08:23,827
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll be able to find it if you

1398
01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:28,587
Speaker 3: want to. Caleb Clark's gone to make a tackle, his

1399
01:08:28,747 --> 01:08:31,107
Speaker 3: eyes are on the ball carrier, and when the ballcarrier

1400
01:08:31,187 --> 01:08:34,627
Speaker 3: shuffles it on to his outside, it hits Caleb Clark

1401
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:37,467
Speaker 3: on the hand. Yes, it's a knock on, but that's

1402
01:08:37,627 --> 01:08:40,587
Speaker 3: all it is. It should not be a penalty. Caleb

1403
01:08:40,707 --> 01:08:46,187
Speaker 3: Clark is not deliberately knocking that ball on. Thankfully it

1404
01:08:46,267 --> 01:08:48,307
Speaker 3: was only a penalty because you've seen guys go to

1405
01:08:48,347 --> 01:08:51,267
Speaker 3: the bin for that. But that rule, it still mystifies

1406
01:08:51,347 --> 01:08:56,987
Speaker 3: me as to why something like that, which is instinctive

1407
01:08:57,067 --> 01:09:01,787
Speaker 3: more than anything, can result in a penalty. Anyway, maybe

1408
01:09:01,787 --> 01:09:05,867
Speaker 3: it's the discussion for another day. Thankfully it didn't affect

1409
01:09:05,907 --> 01:09:10,427
Speaker 3: the result. But yeah, I just at the time, I

1410
01:09:10,547 --> 01:09:14,547
Speaker 3: just remember thinking Caleb Clark has not done anything deliberately

1411
01:09:14,587 --> 01:09:19,627
Speaker 3: there anyway. Twenty three Away from Away from two, just

1412
01:09:19,787 --> 01:09:22,827
Speaker 3: updating you on our our live cricket going on around

1413
01:09:22,827 --> 01:09:26,067
Speaker 3: the place. Northern two twenty eight for eight through forty

1414
01:09:26,107 --> 01:09:30,627
Speaker 3: four of fifty overs against Auckland at Seddon Park, Canterbury

1415
01:09:30,627 --> 01:09:33,427
Speaker 3: batting first against Central starting to run in some treacle

1416
01:09:33,547 --> 01:09:37,107
Speaker 3: at Rungiorna there one seventy three for seven and Otago

1417
01:09:37,347 --> 01:09:39,387
Speaker 3: two twenty eight for seven, oh by the way, Canterbury

1418
01:09:39,427 --> 01:09:41,627
Speaker 3: through forty three of us and in the forty fourth over.

1419
01:09:41,747 --> 01:09:45,667
Speaker 3: Otago two twenty eight for seven batting first against Wellington.

1420
01:09:45,867 --> 01:09:49,787
Speaker 3: That's at University of Otago Oval in Dunedin. When we

1421
01:09:49,907 --> 01:09:52,987
Speaker 3: come back a regular part of our Sundays. James mcconey,

1422
01:09:53,067 --> 01:09:54,027
Speaker 3: he's with us right after this.

1423
01:09:55,307 --> 01:09:58,227
Speaker 1: You'd be the TMO have your say on eight hundred

1424
01:09:58,227 --> 01:10:03,067
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1425
01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:05,747
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1426
01:10:05,747 --> 01:10:09,747
Speaker 3: There'd be nineteen to two quick email from Glenn. First off,

1427
01:10:09,787 --> 01:10:13,067
Speaker 3: the derby. Fantastic game, intense, hard fort, lacking real quality

1428
01:10:13,107 --> 01:10:14,947
Speaker 3: and a shame it was decided by a howler from

1429
01:10:14,947 --> 01:10:16,907
Speaker 3: the keeper. The second goal just icing on the cake

1430
01:10:16,987 --> 01:10:19,027
Speaker 3: for Auckland, not a reflection of what should have been

1431
01:10:19,027 --> 01:10:20,987
Speaker 3: a draw, although for my money Auckland were the more

1432
01:10:21,107 --> 01:10:23,827
Speaker 3: organized side then the rugby, says Glenn. First game i've

1433
01:10:23,827 --> 01:10:26,067
Speaker 3: watched since the World Cup final. I don't really do rugby.

1434
01:10:26,187 --> 01:10:28,267
Speaker 3: That was a great game, best team won and but

1435
01:10:28,427 --> 01:10:30,867
Speaker 3: for real discipline and some bad hands would have been more.

1436
01:10:31,027 --> 01:10:33,147
Speaker 3: England didn't really deserve to nicket with a drop goal

1437
01:10:33,187 --> 01:10:35,587
Speaker 3: at the end. Thank you, Glenn. Just before we get

1438
01:10:35,587 --> 01:10:38,307
Speaker 3: to James mccony, Glenn another Glenn on Texas, you should

1439
01:10:38,307 --> 01:10:40,427
Speaker 3: put up a couple of tickets for the game on

1440
01:10:40,507 --> 01:10:44,147
Speaker 3: December the seventh. I would if I had them, Glenn,

1441
01:10:44,267 --> 01:10:46,827
Speaker 3: I would if I had them. I get the feeling

1442
01:10:46,827 --> 01:10:49,547
Speaker 3: they'll be they'll be fairly hard to come by. Hello

1443
01:10:49,747 --> 01:10:51,187
Speaker 3: James mcony.

1444
01:10:51,707 --> 01:10:54,507
Speaker 11: Hello Jason Pine. Well a day for you yesterday, the

1445
01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:57,827
Speaker 11: drama of the derby and what a game.

1446
01:10:58,507 --> 01:11:01,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was quite the occasion. The weather

1447
01:11:02,067 --> 01:11:04,347
Speaker 3: turned it on Wellington. It was a bit ropey in

1448
01:11:04,387 --> 01:11:06,347
Speaker 3: the morning, but yeah, by the time it kicked out,

1449
01:11:06,707 --> 01:11:10,067
Speaker 3: the weather was fantastic. Twenty six thousand, there James, heaps

1450
01:11:10,107 --> 01:11:12,707
Speaker 3: of Auckland FC fans making a lot of noise down

1451
01:11:12,707 --> 01:11:15,587
Speaker 3: at the northern end. Great occasion for the game here.

1452
01:11:16,547 --> 01:11:18,027
Speaker 11: Do you know what I think that's I feel like

1453
01:11:18,107 --> 01:11:20,387
Speaker 11: that's the closest I've ever seen to a New Zealand

1454
01:11:20,467 --> 01:11:22,867
Speaker 11: game that felt like an FA Cup, you know, an

1455
01:11:22,987 --> 01:11:26,947
Speaker 11: FA Cup final semi final. It just had the pageantry,

1456
01:11:27,227 --> 01:11:30,627
Speaker 11: the noise, just the tension, the intensity of the tackles

1457
01:11:31,227 --> 01:11:32,947
Speaker 11: and look, I know it's never going to match the

1458
01:11:33,027 --> 01:11:35,547
Speaker 11: FA Cup final because you're not shaking hands with the

1459
01:11:35,627 --> 01:11:39,507
Speaker 11: Royals or anything like that, but and you know, there's

1460
01:11:39,547 --> 01:11:42,827
Speaker 11: a few fewer fans twenty six thousand, I think it was.

1461
01:11:42,947 --> 01:11:46,587
Speaker 11: But what it showed you in New Zealand is what

1462
01:11:46,707 --> 01:11:49,467
Speaker 11: we're capable of. It feels like a massive turning point

1463
01:11:49,827 --> 01:11:53,347
Speaker 11: for football and the only disappointing thing is that the

1464
01:11:53,467 --> 01:11:54,707
Speaker 11: Phoenix kind of threw it away.

1465
01:11:55,507 --> 01:11:57,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a shame that it was decided in

1466
01:11:57,507 --> 01:12:00,707
Speaker 3: that way. Jacob Spoonly, alongside men commentary, said, this game

1467
01:12:00,747 --> 01:12:04,467
Speaker 3: feels like it's setting itself up for either a moment

1468
01:12:04,547 --> 01:12:07,307
Speaker 3: of brilliant or an eerror and unforrtunately it was the latter.

1469
01:12:08,227 --> 01:12:09,707
Speaker 3: You know, you're still got to be there to capitalize

1470
01:12:09,707 --> 01:12:12,667
Speaker 3: in Jake Brimmer, you know I'm terrific player, and then

1471
01:12:12,747 --> 01:12:15,227
Speaker 3: got the second as well, Yeah did you?

1472
01:12:15,787 --> 01:12:16,227
Speaker 7: I kind of?

1473
01:12:16,907 --> 01:12:17,267
Speaker 14: I don't know.

1474
01:12:17,667 --> 01:12:19,907
Speaker 3: I feel like Auckland FC did enough to win the game,

1475
01:12:20,187 --> 01:12:22,947
Speaker 3: but it would have. But but then again, another part

1476
01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:24,147
Speaker 3: of me thinks, what if it was a draw? That

1477
01:12:24,187 --> 01:12:26,187
Speaker 3: would have been fair too, even if the Phoenix isn't one.

1478
01:12:27,147 --> 01:12:29,187
Speaker 11: I know, well, I thought the Phoenix had the best chance.

1479
01:12:29,267 --> 01:12:31,547
Speaker 11: I can't believe. I think it was a shigi who

1480
01:12:31,907 --> 01:12:34,107
Speaker 11: headed the ball down and over the bar. I think

1481
01:12:34,187 --> 01:12:38,067
Speaker 11: both of you and Jacobs firmly said that it was

1482
01:12:38,147 --> 01:12:40,147
Speaker 11: harder to do than get it into the goal and

1483
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:44,147
Speaker 11: why he hitted it, I'll never know, but it's probably

1484
01:12:44,147 --> 01:12:46,827
Speaker 11: because he's short and he thought, I'm going to dive

1485
01:12:46,907 --> 01:12:48,547
Speaker 11: at this and it got to the point where he

1486
01:12:48,667 --> 01:12:51,267
Speaker 11: could have just prodded at home. That to me was

1487
01:12:51,347 --> 01:12:54,307
Speaker 11: the best chance of the game. And then and then

1488
01:12:55,067 --> 01:12:59,587
Speaker 11: calamity ensued, and I feel sorry for Oluwayemu, who's just

1489
01:12:59,947 --> 01:13:04,587
Speaker 11: a young guy who's from English Nigerian guy who's got

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Speaker 11: tons of potential and cheap he has been in the

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Speaker 11: way that he is as a coach given him that

1492
01:13:11,827 --> 01:13:14,827
Speaker 11: chance and said no, we're believe in you, and now

1493
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:18,307
Speaker 11: it's that was just a howler for people who didn't

1494
01:13:18,307 --> 01:13:21,707
Speaker 11: say it. He cleared the ball, but only about three

1495
01:13:21,827 --> 01:13:25,547
Speaker 11: meters straight to a Orkad the FC player, who was

1496
01:13:25,907 --> 01:13:27,547
Speaker 11: what six yards from golf.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you heard me say before you

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01:13:30,747 --> 01:13:33,267
Speaker 3: might not have. But after the game, you know, the

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01:13:33,787 --> 01:13:35,667
Speaker 3: fans will come down onto the pitch or one into

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01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:37,467
Speaker 3: the pitch and they line up and the players go

1501
01:13:37,507 --> 01:13:39,387
Speaker 3: along and sign autographs and photos and stuff like that.

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01:13:39,907 --> 01:13:43,147
Speaker 3: He stayed out the whole time. He could easily have

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01:13:43,187 --> 01:13:46,347
Speaker 3: gone on ahead, but he stayed out, signed every autograph,

1504
01:13:46,467 --> 01:13:49,787
Speaker 3: every photo, chatted to the fans was clearly you know,

1505
01:13:49,987 --> 01:13:53,707
Speaker 3: distraughted what had happened, but fronted up stayed out there.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, And that's the thing I mean.

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Speaker 9: It was.

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Speaker 11: Unfortunately for the Yellow Fever and even the Phoenix organization.

1509
01:14:02,027 --> 01:14:04,787
Speaker 11: I mean they flew it playing over Mount Smart the

1510
01:14:04,827 --> 01:14:09,667
Speaker 11: week before, so this is a humbling experience for them,

1511
01:14:09,947 --> 01:14:13,667
Speaker 11: but it means it's so tantalizing for Derby number two,

1512
01:14:14,187 --> 01:14:17,507
Speaker 11: which is I think December of the seventh at go

1513
01:14:17,707 --> 01:14:20,747
Speaker 11: Media Mount Smart. So well there was The one thing

1514
01:14:21,107 --> 01:14:25,307
Speaker 11: I noted is that the they've seen must feel pretty

1515
01:14:25,387 --> 01:14:29,187
Speaker 11: toughed at signing a hole of players from national league

1516
01:14:29,267 --> 01:14:32,907
Speaker 11: level domestic football, and they were perfectly at home and

1517
01:14:33,027 --> 01:14:36,427
Speaker 11: a league in fact, looked like they're the best on

1518
01:14:36,547 --> 01:14:37,187
Speaker 11: show as well.

1519
01:14:38,507 --> 01:14:43,107
Speaker 3: Hey did you see the the billboard that Auckland put up.

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01:14:43,827 --> 01:14:45,507
Speaker 11: Yeah, the Ellington.

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01:14:46,747 --> 01:14:49,227
Speaker 3: So clever, so clever. For those who haven't seen it,

1522
01:14:49,867 --> 01:14:52,947
Speaker 3: the sign reads welcome to Wellington, but it actually reads

1523
01:14:53,027 --> 01:14:56,747
Speaker 3: welcome to Ellington, and underneath it says we took the

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01:14:56,827 --> 01:15:02,067
Speaker 3: dub well the w back to Auckland. I think that's tremendous, tremendous.

1525
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Speaker 11: Last Actually, I haven't seen football this kind of high

1526
01:15:07,107 --> 01:15:11,147
Speaker 11: since the Bahrain game, which was two thousand and nine.

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01:15:11,307 --> 01:15:13,147
Speaker 5: And this is what I think.

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Speaker 11: He's zell and football's really needed. It's incredible to think

1529
01:15:15,587 --> 01:15:18,147
Speaker 11: there was fifteen years ago Piney probably one of my

1530
01:15:18,227 --> 01:15:22,147
Speaker 11: favorite experiences. But now I think fans in Wellington and

1531
01:15:22,187 --> 01:15:25,147
Speaker 11: Auckland can look forward to some really exciting times.

1532
01:15:25,547 --> 01:15:27,307
Speaker 3: Yep, looking forward to it. I now we seem to

1533
01:15:27,347 --> 01:15:30,027
Speaker 3: talk about Wallace Satiti every week, but I feel like

1534
01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:31,747
Speaker 3: we should talk about Wallace a Titi again.

1535
01:15:32,507 --> 01:15:34,067
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so. I think he's going to be

1536
01:15:34,187 --> 01:15:37,507
Speaker 11: There's there a breakthrough performance that will rugby hands out.

1537
01:15:37,827 --> 01:15:41,387
Speaker 11: I mean that's going to him surely right after a testamtch.

1538
01:15:41,467 --> 01:15:46,027
Speaker 11: He just looks so assured and good things happen when

1539
01:15:46,027 --> 01:15:46,707
Speaker 11: he's got the ball.

1540
01:15:48,827 --> 01:15:51,267
Speaker 3: I don't know, he just looks like he's been there

1541
01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:54,307
Speaker 3: forever and you know he's good in the loose, but

1542
01:15:54,387 --> 01:15:57,307
Speaker 3: he makes his tackles, he makes good decisions the offload

1543
01:15:57,347 --> 01:15:59,867
Speaker 3: for Mark delay, but also off the pitch. By the

1544
01:15:59,947 --> 01:16:01,987
Speaker 3: sounds of it, he's just an absolute diamond of a

1545
01:16:02,067 --> 01:16:02,547
Speaker 3: human being.

1546
01:16:03,547 --> 01:16:05,667
Speaker 11: He really is a lovely guy. And this is his

1547
01:16:05,787 --> 01:16:08,587
Speaker 11: first season at any high level. Just bear in mind

1548
01:16:08,667 --> 01:16:11,467
Speaker 11: first season of Super Rugby straight into the All Blacks,

1549
01:16:12,267 --> 01:16:15,747
Speaker 11: forces his way into the top side. I mean England

1550
01:16:15,787 --> 01:16:19,187
Speaker 11: will be gutted that Wallace to Titi has emerged because

1551
01:16:19,227 --> 01:16:21,547
Speaker 11: he could have just spent his year as a squad player,

1552
01:16:21,827 --> 01:16:24,067
Speaker 11: you know, but he was given a chance took it

1553
01:16:24,147 --> 01:16:27,227
Speaker 11: with both hands. He's one of those rarities where he's

1554
01:16:27,467 --> 01:16:31,427
Speaker 11: hurting people without the ball, so he's so good in defense,

1555
01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:34,627
Speaker 11: but on attack you're just so excited to see him

1556
01:16:35,507 --> 01:16:39,107
Speaker 11: in possession and that offload for Tilia for the first try.

1557
01:16:39,187 --> 01:16:41,267
Speaker 11: But I've got to actually, if we're going to talk

1558
01:16:41,267 --> 01:16:43,987
Speaker 11: about this game, we really have to talk about Helena.

1559
01:16:43,987 --> 01:16:48,707
Speaker 11: It's finished for the second try. Incredible four tacklers I'd

1560
01:16:48,747 --> 01:16:52,187
Speaker 11: say he got rid of, including George Ford. And that's

1561
01:16:52,267 --> 01:16:56,387
Speaker 11: foreshadowing to a moment that's coming up. Damien McKenzie probably

1562
01:16:56,467 --> 01:17:00,547
Speaker 11: silencing a few critics of you know who seem to

1563
01:17:01,147 --> 01:17:08,107
Speaker 11: text into your show with that tell A silenced all

1564
01:17:08,147 --> 01:17:12,787
Speaker 11: of them, which is good, which is what we want,

1565
01:17:13,147 --> 01:17:15,507
Speaker 11: always going to be open for the criticism, right, and

1566
01:17:15,707 --> 01:17:19,307
Speaker 11: then George Ford missing a penalty and a drop goal.

1567
01:17:19,427 --> 01:17:21,947
Speaker 11: I think it wasn't quite the same as the Phoenix

1568
01:17:22,027 --> 01:17:24,627
Speaker 11: throwing away the game, but I think by subbing Marcus Smith,

1569
01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:28,987
Speaker 11: the England first five, who is world class talent, when

1570
01:17:29,027 --> 01:17:31,627
Speaker 11: he was having such a good game and especially off

1571
01:17:31,667 --> 01:17:34,627
Speaker 11: the team, I think that decided the Test match in

1572
01:17:34,667 --> 01:17:34,867
Speaker 11: the end.

1573
01:17:35,347 --> 01:17:37,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't agree more, could not agree more. Did you

1574
01:17:37,587 --> 01:17:39,267
Speaker 3: get Did you get the chance to watch the Rugby

1575
01:17:39,387 --> 01:17:40,107
Speaker 3: League last night?

1576
01:17:41,347 --> 01:17:41,547
Speaker 9: Yes?

1577
01:17:41,627 --> 01:17:44,787
Speaker 11: I did, and I love the Kiwis of all my heart,

1578
01:17:44,867 --> 01:17:48,587
Speaker 11: but it does feel like a work in progress Kiwis team.

1579
01:17:49,107 --> 01:17:51,547
Speaker 11: We've had to and I mean this is no excuse,

1580
01:17:51,627 --> 01:17:53,947
Speaker 11: but we've had to bring Sean Johnson out of retirement.

1581
01:17:55,507 --> 01:17:58,747
Speaker 11: Let's and Joey marn who's gone off to rugby. So

1582
01:18:00,587 --> 01:18:03,067
Speaker 11: it means that jar Oh and Hughes, Joseph marn who

1583
01:18:03,187 --> 01:18:06,627
Speaker 11: and Nelson assof of Solomon are probably are three three

1584
01:18:06,667 --> 01:18:08,987
Speaker 11: of our best players aren't there. I know it's no

1585
01:18:09,147 --> 01:18:12,027
Speaker 11: excuse because I think they're the talent was there to

1586
01:18:12,067 --> 01:18:14,507
Speaker 11: win it. But let's just a shit that we are

1587
01:18:14,667 --> 01:18:19,187
Speaker 11: blooding plint players like you know yan O'Kinney the fullback

1588
01:18:19,667 --> 01:18:22,787
Speaker 11: ran for the two hundred meters. Just wait and see

1589
01:18:22,907 --> 01:18:27,507
Speaker 11: what this kid can be in the Kewis jersey. But look,

1590
01:18:28,667 --> 01:18:31,707
Speaker 11: I'm a bit tongue really myself I love that team,

1591
01:18:31,987 --> 01:18:35,347
Speaker 11: and they came out of the block so fast and

1592
01:18:35,507 --> 01:18:39,867
Speaker 11: it just took a couple of you know, it's extremely

1593
01:18:41,627 --> 01:18:45,067
Speaker 11: gutsy tackles and defensive phrase to keep the keys out.

1594
01:18:45,627 --> 01:18:48,347
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed it was. Yeah, it was quite the contest

1595
01:18:48,427 --> 01:18:51,267
Speaker 3: I mentioned before. I only read half an eye on it.

1596
01:18:51,347 --> 01:18:53,147
Speaker 3: But even when you look at the scoreboard and you

1597
01:18:53,267 --> 01:18:56,907
Speaker 3: see it halftime, Tongue are twenty four to six ahead.

1598
01:18:56,947 --> 01:18:59,227
Speaker 3: In fact, they were twenty four mill up, weren't they

1599
01:18:59,267 --> 01:19:01,827
Speaker 3: after thirty four minutes? And then you're look at the

1600
01:19:01,867 --> 01:19:04,107
Speaker 3: final score. Yeah, crazy old game, but no, well done

1601
01:19:04,107 --> 01:19:06,187
Speaker 3: to tong and great crowd there too. You look into

1602
01:19:06,187 --> 01:19:08,707
Speaker 3: the stands at Mount Smart and it's equal measure red

1603
01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:10,707
Speaker 3: and black there for a Tonga Kiwi's test.

1604
01:19:11,467 --> 01:19:13,227
Speaker 11: I feel like the song them fans are the best

1605
01:19:13,267 --> 01:19:17,387
Speaker 11: fans in the world, and that's I mean, they showed

1606
01:19:17,467 --> 01:19:20,187
Speaker 11: us in that twenty eleven World Cup Rugby World Cup

1607
01:19:20,267 --> 01:19:22,227
Speaker 11: what they could do, and I think it's sort of

1608
01:19:23,587 --> 01:19:25,867
Speaker 11: inspired a lot of other fans to go, Okay, yeah

1609
01:19:25,947 --> 01:19:29,107
Speaker 11: we can do this too. But I mean there are obviously,

1610
01:19:29,467 --> 01:19:32,267
Speaker 11: you know, football fans from other nations that say we're

1611
01:19:32,267 --> 01:19:34,107
Speaker 11: the one is the traveling support and all that sort

1612
01:19:34,107 --> 01:19:36,307
Speaker 11: of thing. But just seeing them come out with that

1613
01:19:36,547 --> 01:19:41,707
Speaker 11: kind of fervor and passion and just basically create the

1614
01:19:41,787 --> 01:19:44,947
Speaker 11: atmosphere by themselves at the stadium. You would not have

1615
01:19:45,067 --> 01:19:46,667
Speaker 11: that for Kiwi's versus Kangaroos.

1616
01:19:47,227 --> 01:19:50,467
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. Hey, just before

1617
01:19:50,507 --> 01:19:53,587
Speaker 3: you a cricket day, how many days have we had?

1618
01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:54,467
Speaker 3: Only two? Haven't we?

1619
01:19:55,627 --> 01:19:55,827
Speaker 5: Where?

1620
01:19:55,867 --> 01:19:57,427
Speaker 3: What are? We won seventy one for nine in our

1621
01:19:57,427 --> 01:20:00,467
Speaker 3: second and things lead one hundred and forty three. So well,

1622
01:20:00,547 --> 01:20:03,027
Speaker 3: I mean when yeah, when Willow Rock comes into bad,

1623
01:20:03,107 --> 01:20:05,467
Speaker 3: I think you kind of get ready to kind of

1624
01:20:05,507 --> 01:20:07,867
Speaker 3: get ready for things to wrap up, don't you. But

1625
01:20:07,987 --> 01:20:09,707
Speaker 3: so what India we need one hundred and fifty odd

1626
01:20:09,747 --> 01:20:11,547
Speaker 3: to win. They'll probably win the tast doesn't the she man,

1627
01:20:11,587 --> 01:20:12,747
Speaker 3: it doesn't. We've won the series.

1628
01:20:13,387 --> 01:20:14,347
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've won the series.

1629
01:20:14,387 --> 01:20:14,787
Speaker 10: It's fine.

1630
01:20:14,827 --> 01:20:17,107
Speaker 11: It's a bit like with the Netble. You know, we

1631
01:20:17,227 --> 01:20:20,467
Speaker 11: won the Constellation Cup and then you know, Dame Auntie

1632
01:20:20,507 --> 01:20:22,387
Speaker 11: Knoles just put out a whole of you know, sort

1633
01:20:22,387 --> 01:20:25,627
Speaker 11: of experimental selections with this one. Well we won the

1634
01:20:25,707 --> 01:20:28,547
Speaker 11: series without Kin Williams and our best player, you know,

1635
01:20:28,867 --> 01:20:33,467
Speaker 11: for example, So they'll still be on the high it's

1636
01:20:33,507 --> 01:20:35,987
Speaker 11: just a bit gunning because they've got themselves into almost

1637
01:20:36,067 --> 01:20:39,147
Speaker 11: good positions. But really, the one thing I think with

1638
01:20:39,267 --> 01:20:42,347
Speaker 11: this black Cat side is yeah, it's great that we've

1639
01:20:42,387 --> 01:20:45,027
Speaker 11: beaten India, but it does fail with so many players

1640
01:20:45,067 --> 01:20:50,507
Speaker 11: I think eight of the eleven gen over over thirty,

1641
01:20:50,707 --> 01:20:52,867
Speaker 11: there's going to be a bit of a changing of

1642
01:20:52,907 --> 01:20:54,787
Speaker 11: the guard at some point, and maybe a look at

1643
01:20:54,827 --> 01:20:57,987
Speaker 11: the lower middle order as well, just to see what

1644
01:20:58,227 --> 01:21:01,387
Speaker 11: happens there. And it just shows how someone like bj

1645
01:21:01,547 --> 01:21:04,267
Speaker 11: Whatland we've just worked his weight in gold and even

1646
01:21:05,027 --> 01:21:08,387
Speaker 11: Daniel Vittori and j Jake Boren in their later years,

1647
01:21:08,467 --> 01:21:12,707
Speaker 11: you know, we had those bottom order fight backs that

1648
01:21:12,827 --> 01:21:16,187
Speaker 11: we don't seem to have from this Black Tap side.

1649
01:21:16,227 --> 01:21:20,227
Speaker 11: But it's no real criticism, just something that maybe need

1650
01:21:20,347 --> 01:21:24,147
Speaker 11: some tingering. And look, they're going to come home victorious

1651
01:21:24,147 --> 01:21:25,747
Speaker 11: and they've made history. I've done.

1652
01:21:26,467 --> 01:21:28,467
Speaker 3: We need to put the call out for that, you know,

1653
01:21:28,747 --> 01:21:31,787
Speaker 3: the next kind of cricketing prodigy. You know how came

1654
01:21:31,827 --> 01:21:34,147
Speaker 3: Williamson at school was famous because no one could get

1655
01:21:34,187 --> 01:21:36,227
Speaker 3: him out. He used it to battle day every day

1656
01:21:36,827 --> 01:21:38,907
Speaker 3: and his dad even reversed the batting order one day

1657
01:21:38,907 --> 01:21:40,987
Speaker 3: to give everybody else a go. Same with rich and

1658
01:21:41,067 --> 01:21:43,107
Speaker 3: Ravindra when he was coming through and Wellington, everyone was

1659
01:21:43,107 --> 01:21:45,507
Speaker 3: talking about this kid out of hud International Boys School

1660
01:21:45,547 --> 01:21:46,907
Speaker 3: who was the next big thing. I want to know

1661
01:21:46,947 --> 01:21:50,147
Speaker 3: who that is now? Who's this fifteen sixteen year old

1662
01:21:50,147 --> 01:21:52,667
Speaker 3: who's just getting pots of runs around the country somewhere

1663
01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:53,467
Speaker 3: and no we can get him out?

1664
01:21:54,187 --> 01:21:55,787
Speaker 11: Well, maybe you and I need to go away and

1665
01:21:55,827 --> 01:21:58,667
Speaker 11: work on that. You go to HUBS, the National Boys School.

1666
01:21:59,227 --> 01:22:01,387
Speaker 11: I know to how many Boys High because that's where

1667
01:22:01,467 --> 01:22:05,827
Speaker 11: Mitchell Santina came out of. And between that.

1668
01:22:07,267 --> 01:22:08,347
Speaker 3: Call yeah hoops, that's it.

1669
01:22:08,787 --> 01:22:11,867
Speaker 11: Between herbs and hand boys, we'll find the new prodigy.

1670
01:22:11,947 --> 01:22:14,787
Speaker 11: I guarantee next week's show we'll be naming names and

1671
01:22:15,747 --> 01:22:17,427
Speaker 11: basically giving us some hope for the future.

1672
01:22:18,067 --> 01:22:20,547
Speaker 3: Love it good man, James grit To Chenna has always

1673
01:22:20,667 --> 01:22:22,947
Speaker 3: made always love our chant's James mccony big part of

1674
01:22:22,987 --> 01:22:26,307
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1676
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Speaker 3: Mark Graham, put together by his filmmaker son Luke. Luke

1684
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1685
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1690
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1691
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Speaker 3: Two o seven an hour ago. Then Tim Beveridge is

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1693
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1694
01:23:38,507 --> 01:23:41,947
Speaker 3: Mark and Luke Graham are with us in studio shortly

1695
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1696
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1697
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Speaker 3: to be released later this week, so they're going to

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01:23:56,347 --> 01:23:58,387
Speaker 3: pop in Mark and Luke Graham. In fact they're already

1700
01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:00,827
Speaker 3: here ready to go very shortly and have a chat

1701
01:24:00,867 --> 01:24:05,787
Speaker 3: to us about the documentary. Wayne Goldsmith, our regular coaching

1702
01:24:05,907 --> 01:24:08,707
Speaker 3: guru from across the Ditch, get a chat to us

1703
01:24:08,747 --> 01:24:12,667
Speaker 3: today about what is it that makes Kiwi sports people

1704
01:24:13,587 --> 01:24:16,307
Speaker 3: so good? What or what are the qualities which are

1705
01:24:16,427 --> 01:24:20,707
Speaker 3: perhaps specific or common to Kiwis that make us so

1706
01:24:20,827 --> 01:24:23,907
Speaker 3: good at sport. I've got a rugby league at a

1707
01:24:23,987 --> 01:24:26,347
Speaker 3: rugby will squeeze and what we can lines remain open

1708
01:24:26,387 --> 01:24:28,747
Speaker 3: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine

1709
01:24:28,827 --> 01:24:32,067
Speaker 3: two if you'd like to correspond via text, But as

1710
01:24:32,107 --> 01:24:34,387
Speaker 3: we always do it around about this time on weekend

1711
01:24:34,467 --> 01:24:37,147
Speaker 3: sport and what is the time approaching eight pass too?

1712
01:24:37,547 --> 01:24:39,067
Speaker 3: It is time to bring you up to date with

1713
01:24:39,147 --> 01:24:42,067
Speaker 3: all of the stuff you may well have missed. It's

1714
01:24:42,067 --> 01:24:44,427
Speaker 3: been a lot of sport on a lot and there's

1715
01:24:44,587 --> 01:24:46,187
Speaker 3: heaps to come as well. It's one of those times

1716
01:24:46,227 --> 01:24:48,427
Speaker 3: of the year when you don't quite know where to look.

1717
01:24:48,547 --> 01:24:51,827
Speaker 3: Let's start with the rugby league in Tonga getting up

1718
01:24:51,907 --> 01:24:54,947
Speaker 3: to win an absolute thriller over the Kiwis at Mount

1719
01:24:54,987 --> 01:24:59,187
Speaker 3: Smart last night. KAWCUSI. Let's play now and then it's

1720
01:24:59,227 --> 01:25:00,867
Speaker 3: going to see if they do for a field goal.

1721
01:25:00,907 --> 01:25:03,387
Speaker 3: It's some stay slung er. This might be their only chance.

1722
01:25:03,587 --> 01:25:05,787
Speaker 3: Cuta cuta.

1723
01:25:08,947 --> 01:25:10,067
Speaker 9: Let's turn of the lead.

1724
01:25:10,747 --> 01:25:13,267
Speaker 3: There the drop gold and win. At twenty five twenty

1725
01:25:13,427 --> 01:25:17,867
Speaker 3: four the Breakers, they're at the top of the Australian

1726
01:25:17,987 --> 01:25:21,827
Speaker 3: National Basketball League table after a blowout win against Adelaide.

1727
01:25:22,347 --> 01:25:23,987
Speaker 3: Time winding down Vromnega who.

1728
01:25:23,987 --> 01:25:26,387
Speaker 22: Started it all and finishes it in style.

1729
01:25:27,347 --> 01:25:29,507
Speaker 3: What a performance from New Zealand.

1730
01:25:29,787 --> 01:25:33,147
Speaker 4: They improved it five and two and proved their knives

1731
01:25:33,227 --> 01:25:33,747
Speaker 4: flash in the.

1732
01:25:33,827 --> 01:25:37,987
Speaker 3: Pan to Formula one and in Brazil, Sugio Pieriz managed

1733
01:25:38,027 --> 01:25:40,667
Speaker 3: to get one back against Liam Lawson in the sprint race.

1734
01:25:40,827 --> 01:25:43,467
Speaker 23: We're on board with Sergio Perez, who's down in ninth

1735
01:25:43,587 --> 01:25:46,027
Speaker 23: basically still fancies trying to get past the car in

1736
01:25:46,107 --> 01:25:47,707
Speaker 23: front of to me of loss and trying to cover

1737
01:25:47,787 --> 01:25:50,947
Speaker 23: it off very very late, and then realized he wasn't

1738
01:25:50,987 --> 01:25:53,027
Speaker 23: going to cover that off at all and thought, no,

1739
01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:55,707
Speaker 23: I'd better back out before we get a few problems here.

1740
01:25:55,907 --> 01:25:58,987
Speaker 23: Perez gets past Lawson. Add up into eighth week.

1741
01:25:58,987 --> 01:26:00,947
Speaker 3: Let's go to the cricket. The black Caps are in

1742
01:26:01,187 --> 01:26:06,027
Speaker 3: a precarious position, shall we say, heading into day three

1743
01:26:06,067 --> 01:26:10,427
Speaker 3: of the Third Test against India, knots of all ovid

1744
01:26:10,467 --> 01:26:15,547
Speaker 3: one that was inevitable. Don't beat the outside head, not

1745
01:26:15,787 --> 01:26:17,547
Speaker 3: the odds down. New Zealand lose another.

1746
01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:22,227
Speaker 21: That's number nine in the match for Jadajia, who has

1747
01:26:22,307 --> 01:26:23,067
Speaker 21: bold beautifully.

1748
01:26:23,147 --> 01:26:24,187
Speaker 24: That's an absolute crack.

1749
01:26:24,347 --> 01:26:27,147
Speaker 3: I mean, let Darmspinner's dream about it. Yes, a New

1750
01:26:27,227 --> 01:26:29,107
Speaker 3: Zealand nine down on their second innings, a lead of

1751
01:26:29,187 --> 01:26:31,467
Speaker 3: just one hundred and forty three runs worth three full

1752
01:26:31,587 --> 01:26:35,187
Speaker 3: days to play the All Blacks fifteen impressor and they'll

1753
01:26:35,187 --> 01:26:37,867
Speaker 3: win over monster in Limerick this morning.

1754
01:26:37,747 --> 01:26:42,227
Speaker 25: Into red few years through the hands picked off, intercepted honey,

1755
01:26:42,307 --> 01:26:45,427
Speaker 25: Old Blacks are gonna go the distance here Tlemar has.

1756
01:26:45,307 --> 01:26:47,507
Speaker 3: Hands on it, he's the only one to catch him.

1757
01:26:47,747 --> 01:26:49,907
Speaker 3: It's all the way to the tryline for the number

1758
01:26:49,987 --> 01:26:53,347
Speaker 3: ten and he finishes in the corner. Final score thirty

1759
01:26:53,387 --> 01:26:55,547
Speaker 3: eight twenty four to the All Blacks fifteen and to

1760
01:26:55,667 --> 01:27:00,027
Speaker 3: the Premier League AFC Bournemouth, of all teams have handed

1761
01:27:00,107 --> 01:27:03,547
Speaker 3: Manchester City their first loss of the season. He's a toll.

1762
01:27:03,387 --> 01:27:04,547
Speaker 4: Revenue side.

1763
01:27:09,707 --> 01:27:13,587
Speaker 9: The lake Xarity Stadium Raps AFC.

1764
01:27:13,387 --> 01:27:17,307
Speaker 5: Pautit screwed it up against the Shations and.

1765
01:27:17,387 --> 01:27:19,627
Speaker 3: They won it. To one good weekend for Bill Foley

1766
01:27:19,667 --> 01:27:24,187
Speaker 3: owned teams Bornmouth and Aupland FC and Nottingham Forest up

1767
01:27:24,267 --> 01:27:28,707
Speaker 3: to the dizzying heights of third on the Premier League

1768
01:27:28,787 --> 01:27:31,467
Speaker 3: Ladder thanks to a win over west Ham, spurred on

1769
01:27:31,707 --> 01:27:35,187
Speaker 3: by an early goal from you guessed it? Chris Wood?

1770
01:27:35,347 --> 01:27:37,467
Speaker 3: What's the target? Langas waiting?

1771
01:27:37,587 --> 01:27:38,827
Speaker 4: Darry sports.

1772
01:27:40,507 --> 01:27:46,787
Speaker 3: One moment that is all they needs Forrest man Man

1773
01:27:47,587 --> 01:27:48,627
Speaker 3: How is the natica?

1774
01:27:49,387 --> 01:27:53,067
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

1775
01:27:53,267 --> 01:27:55,947
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Call.

1776
01:27:57,507 --> 01:27:58,307
Speaker 9: News Talk MB.

1777
01:27:59,107 --> 01:28:03,067
Speaker 3: It is eleven past two on Weekend Sport. Shako is

1778
01:28:03,347 --> 01:28:06,467
Speaker 3: a featured documentary about New Zealand rugby league led and

1779
01:28:06,907 --> 01:28:10,587
Speaker 3: Mark Sharko Graham and his prime Mark Graham the best

1780
01:28:10,787 --> 01:28:13,467
Speaker 3: rugby league player in the world. Renowned for his size,

1781
01:28:13,587 --> 01:28:18,827
Speaker 3: his speed, his skill and his toughness. Sharko includes interviews

1782
01:28:18,907 --> 01:28:21,667
Speaker 3: with Graham, Low, Wally Lewis, Steve Roach, Hugh mcgahann, Paul

1783
01:28:21,747 --> 01:28:24,707
Speaker 3: Vaughton and many others. But it's about more than just

1784
01:28:24,867 --> 01:28:28,347
Speaker 3: rugby league and our best ever rugby league player. It

1785
01:28:28,427 --> 01:28:33,187
Speaker 3: has written, directed and produced by Mark Graham's son, Luke Graham.

1786
01:28:33,307 --> 01:28:36,267
Speaker 3: Mark and Luke Graham both in studio here at News Talks.

1787
01:28:36,267 --> 01:28:39,867
Speaker 3: He'd be great to see you both. Congratulations on Sharko.

1788
01:28:40,147 --> 01:28:41,747
Speaker 3: It is a brilliant watch.

1789
01:28:42,187 --> 01:28:42,347
Speaker 9: Louke.

1790
01:28:42,387 --> 01:28:44,147
Speaker 3: Can I start with you? Are you happy with the

1791
01:28:44,187 --> 01:28:46,107
Speaker 3: way that it's come out? Yes?

1792
01:28:46,187 --> 01:28:49,347
Speaker 25: Yes, thank you. Firstly, thanks for having us, appreciate the support.

1793
01:28:49,987 --> 01:28:52,547
Speaker 25: It's been a few years in the making, as you'd expect,

1794
01:28:53,267 --> 01:28:57,227
Speaker 25: but it's I'm glad it's over, but it was. It

1795
01:28:57,347 --> 01:28:59,907
Speaker 25: was an amazing experience to kind of relive the past,

1796
01:29:00,307 --> 01:29:03,067
Speaker 25: some good things, some bad things. But I'm really happy

1797
01:29:03,107 --> 01:29:04,387
Speaker 25: to get it out there too the public and see

1798
01:29:04,387 --> 01:29:04,787
Speaker 25: what they think.

1799
01:29:05,027 --> 01:29:08,107
Speaker 3: Look, can you tell us about the motivation behind Sharko.

1800
01:29:08,187 --> 01:29:11,107
Speaker 3: When did it start as a German of an idea

1801
01:29:11,187 --> 01:29:13,067
Speaker 3: and how did it grow to the point where you thought, right,

1802
01:29:13,067 --> 01:29:13,667
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this.

1803
01:29:16,267 --> 01:29:18,667
Speaker 25: Well, it's it's it's I guess it's been sitting with

1804
01:29:18,747 --> 01:29:21,187
Speaker 25: me for a very long time, to be honest, it's

1805
01:29:21,947 --> 01:29:24,827
Speaker 25: you know, my father's always been you know, he's my

1806
01:29:25,187 --> 01:29:28,787
Speaker 25: idol to this to this day, and it was Roby

1807
01:29:28,827 --> 01:29:33,307
Speaker 25: Leagu's always been part of our family. And when you're

1808
01:29:33,387 --> 01:29:34,027
Speaker 25: doing films.

1809
01:29:34,467 --> 01:29:35,547
Speaker 2: You really like to do.

1810
01:29:35,627 --> 01:29:37,427
Speaker 25: Things you're going to stick with and you believe in,

1811
01:29:37,547 --> 01:29:42,467
Speaker 25: and things you you love. And I love Rugby League,

1812
01:29:42,787 --> 01:29:46,147
Speaker 25: I love my father and I was I was really

1813
01:29:46,227 --> 01:29:48,747
Speaker 25: happy to be able to get the opportunity to make

1814
01:29:48,787 --> 01:29:52,387
Speaker 25: this film. So it's it's been forty plus years in

1815
01:29:52,387 --> 01:29:55,067
Speaker 25: the making, but it's been six years germinating.

1816
01:29:55,267 --> 01:29:59,427
Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing. Mark. You said during the during the

1817
01:29:59,507 --> 01:30:02,107
Speaker 3: doco that you rarely only agreed to do it because

1818
01:30:02,107 --> 01:30:04,307
Speaker 3: it was Luke who was doing it. You wouldn't necessarily

1819
01:30:04,387 --> 01:30:07,107
Speaker 3: have done it if an independent person off the street

1820
01:30:07,147 --> 01:30:08,707
Speaker 3: who you didn't know had asked you about it. How

1821
01:30:08,747 --> 01:30:09,587
Speaker 3: did you find the process?

1822
01:30:11,227 --> 01:30:15,027
Speaker 2: Absolutely though I would have said no, And yeah, well

1823
01:30:15,227 --> 01:30:16,907
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't really have anything much to do

1824
01:30:16,987 --> 01:30:21,147
Speaker 2: with except Luke organized for me to answer some questions

1825
01:30:21,307 --> 01:30:24,027
Speaker 2: in an old tin shed and it rained, so we

1826
01:30:24,107 --> 01:30:25,267
Speaker 2: had to do it again the next day.

1827
01:30:26,787 --> 01:30:28,067
Speaker 3: And that's that's.

1828
01:30:28,267 --> 01:30:32,387
Speaker 2: I've had no input other than that. Yeah, So to

1829
01:30:32,467 --> 01:30:35,427
Speaker 2: watch it there, I've watched a couple of different versions

1830
01:30:35,467 --> 01:30:39,427
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, and I've been totally blown away. But

1831
01:30:39,587 --> 01:30:42,147
Speaker 2: how good Luke is at what he does. So as

1832
01:30:42,187 --> 01:30:47,507
Speaker 2: his profession, which is a storytelling event, and he's done

1833
01:30:47,507 --> 01:30:48,187
Speaker 2: a wonderful job.

1834
01:30:48,307 --> 01:30:50,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're you're right. It's it's brilliantly told. And

1835
01:30:51,107 --> 01:30:52,787
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about sitting in that shed.

1836
01:30:52,787 --> 01:30:56,067
Speaker 3: It's very rustic, isn't it. The background Well chosen Luke

1837
01:30:56,147 --> 01:30:57,787
Speaker 3: for Mark to be sitting there. But you said, what

1838
01:30:57,907 --> 01:30:59,147
Speaker 3: it rained one day, so you had to do it

1839
01:30:59,187 --> 01:31:00,787
Speaker 3: the next day. So how many hours were we actually

1840
01:31:01,107 --> 01:31:03,667
Speaker 3: sitting in that chair and that shedjarning to one another.

1841
01:31:05,227 --> 01:31:06,987
Speaker 2: Good question about eight to ten?

1842
01:31:07,507 --> 01:31:09,027
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was actually.

1843
01:31:11,427 --> 01:31:15,147
Speaker 25: As you'd expect. You filmed for a long long time,

1844
01:31:15,227 --> 01:31:17,547
Speaker 25: and even all the rest of the interviews we've probably filmed.

1845
01:31:18,027 --> 01:31:20,707
Speaker 25: I probably filmed three hundred plus hours of interviews, wow,

1846
01:31:21,187 --> 01:31:24,387
Speaker 25: for eighty three minutes for an eighty three minute documentary.

1847
01:31:24,427 --> 01:31:26,187
Speaker 25: But that's what you have to do when you're having

1848
01:31:26,227 --> 01:31:28,947
Speaker 25: those having those yarns with people. And I got to say,

1849
01:31:28,947 --> 01:31:30,427
Speaker 25: Footy plays a very good story.

1850
01:31:30,507 --> 01:31:33,987
Speaker 3: Tell us, well, I certainly are, and that comes through

1851
01:31:34,067 --> 01:31:36,747
Speaker 3: in all of the interviews that you've done. So post production,

1852
01:31:36,907 --> 01:31:40,067
Speaker 3: the post you know, doing all of the interviews, all

1853
01:31:40,147 --> 01:31:42,627
Speaker 3: that raw footage, all those hours and hours and hours

1854
01:31:43,267 --> 01:31:45,667
Speaker 3: tell us about the process then of getting it down

1855
01:31:45,747 --> 01:31:46,787
Speaker 3: to your eighty three minutes.

1856
01:31:47,467 --> 01:31:48,427
Speaker 11: Well, I was.

1857
01:31:48,867 --> 01:31:50,627
Speaker 25: I think my first cup was about four and a

1858
01:31:50,667 --> 01:31:54,347
Speaker 25: half hours, and I think I had definitely enjoyed it,

1859
01:31:54,787 --> 01:31:56,947
Speaker 25: and a few of my friends did, but we really

1860
01:31:56,987 --> 01:31:59,387
Speaker 25: needed to cut it down for an actual audience. So

1861
01:32:00,107 --> 01:32:03,467
Speaker 25: I had some very lucky to have some talented and

1862
01:32:04,067 --> 01:32:07,507
Speaker 25: very honest people around me, and well, you know, it

1863
01:32:07,587 --> 01:32:09,467
Speaker 25: did take a long time because I am very stubborn

1864
01:32:09,907 --> 01:32:12,787
Speaker 25: and I am very disagreeable at some things. But we

1865
01:32:12,947 --> 01:32:15,147
Speaker 25: got down to we got it down over about six

1866
01:32:15,187 --> 01:32:18,507
Speaker 25: to eight months through the edit, and we got to

1867
01:32:18,587 --> 01:32:20,947
Speaker 25: a really good place. And I am to be honest,

1868
01:32:21,467 --> 01:32:25,387
Speaker 25: without the editors, there's many people in making that edit happen,

1869
01:32:25,707 --> 01:32:27,707
Speaker 25: so without them, we wouldn't.

1870
01:32:27,307 --> 01:32:27,787
Speaker 2: Be here today.

1871
01:32:28,187 --> 01:32:28,387
Speaker 10: Mark.

1872
01:32:28,387 --> 01:32:30,347
Speaker 3: Another thing that you said, I think quite near the

1873
01:32:30,347 --> 01:32:33,467
Speaker 3: start actually was that you weren't sure anyone would actually

1874
01:32:33,587 --> 01:32:35,427
Speaker 3: remember you or want to watch it, which I think

1875
01:32:35,507 --> 01:32:38,907
Speaker 3: was very self deprecating. Does your rugby league career now

1876
01:32:39,027 --> 01:32:41,147
Speaker 3: feel like it was almost something that happened in the

1877
01:32:41,227 --> 01:32:41,947
Speaker 3: past life or not?

1878
01:32:42,947 --> 01:32:46,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much absolutely. You know, to have the good

1879
01:32:46,107 --> 01:32:49,267
Speaker 2: fortune that I had and some of the accolades and

1880
01:32:49,347 --> 01:32:53,227
Speaker 2: awards that I've won, it seems very much like a

1881
01:32:53,347 --> 01:32:55,587
Speaker 2: Walt Disney movie. You know where everything comes. You know,

1882
01:32:56,827 --> 01:33:00,547
Speaker 2: everything works out in the end. And you know, as

1883
01:33:00,587 --> 01:33:03,987
Speaker 2: I've said this on many occasions and we'll continue to say,

1884
01:33:04,467 --> 01:33:07,267
Speaker 2: you can't be a good rugby leg player in a

1885
01:33:07,387 --> 01:33:10,787
Speaker 2: team unless you play with good players. So I was

1886
01:33:10,907 --> 01:33:11,467
Speaker 2: very fortunate.

1887
01:33:12,107 --> 01:33:14,387
Speaker 3: When you look back, or when you think back, actually,

1888
01:33:14,787 --> 01:33:17,387
Speaker 3: how often do you do you think back on your

1889
01:33:17,427 --> 01:33:19,747
Speaker 3: rugby league career? What do you think about a game

1890
01:33:19,787 --> 01:33:22,387
Speaker 3: of rugby league every day? For example?

1891
01:33:23,307 --> 01:33:28,667
Speaker 2: No, never have. Well, I that was a wonderful period

1892
01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:32,547
Speaker 2: of my life. But now I'm retired and I've got

1893
01:33:32,627 --> 01:33:35,387
Speaker 2: other things to think about, mainly my bad golf swing

1894
01:33:35,547 --> 01:33:36,707
Speaker 2: and what I'm going to do for the rest of

1895
01:33:36,707 --> 01:33:37,267
Speaker 2: the afternoon.

1896
01:33:38,747 --> 01:33:40,987
Speaker 3: I think those are questions for a lot of us actually,

1897
01:33:42,427 --> 01:33:45,107
Speaker 3: But when you do reflect back, and I guess you know,

1898
01:33:45,387 --> 01:33:47,627
Speaker 3: going through the process of making this documentary would have

1899
01:33:47,627 --> 01:33:50,187
Speaker 3: almost in some ways forced you to what is it

1900
01:33:50,307 --> 01:33:54,667
Speaker 3: that stands out most vividly about your days playing rugby

1901
01:33:54,787 --> 01:33:55,707
Speaker 3: league at the top level?

1902
01:33:57,387 --> 01:34:00,707
Speaker 2: See a good question. I don't know if anything really

1903
01:34:00,987 --> 01:34:06,027
Speaker 2: particularly stands yet. I think rugby league in the past

1904
01:34:06,027 --> 01:34:08,667
Speaker 2: has been plagued and I don't know it will most

1905
01:34:08,667 --> 01:34:12,627
Speaker 2: probably continue to be plagued by a bad administration. There

1906
01:34:12,627 --> 01:34:15,867
Speaker 2: seems to be plenty of it. I've played for North

1907
01:34:15,947 --> 01:34:20,787
Speaker 2: Sydney and we used to be it would get a

1908
01:34:20,827 --> 01:34:23,347
Speaker 2: new coach every couple of years, and for some reason,

1909
01:34:24,307 --> 01:34:26,067
Speaker 2: some bloke who didn't know the rules of the game

1910
01:34:26,347 --> 01:34:28,587
Speaker 2: or didn't know much about the game was coaching in

1911
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Speaker 2: first grade in Sydney. So I was in shock most

1912
01:34:30,987 --> 01:34:33,627
Speaker 2: of the time about that. But I was never backward

1913
01:34:33,667 --> 01:34:37,347
Speaker 2: and coming forward, so he knew how I felt about

1914
01:34:37,427 --> 01:34:38,387
Speaker 2: him pretty quickly.

1915
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Speaker 3: There's some amazing footage, look that you've procured from you

1916
01:34:43,547 --> 01:34:46,027
Speaker 3: know Kiwi's matches in particular, and man, those are some

1917
01:34:46,147 --> 01:34:48,267
Speaker 3: memory triggers in there for those of us who grew

1918
01:34:48,347 --> 01:34:50,467
Speaker 3: up watching those wonderful Kiewi's teams. Do you have any

1919
01:34:50,467 --> 01:34:54,067
Speaker 3: trouble getting the archival footage? Was it relatively straightforward to

1920
01:34:54,107 --> 01:34:54,427
Speaker 3: come by?

1921
01:34:55,107 --> 01:34:55,227
Speaker 8: Well?

1922
01:34:55,387 --> 01:35:00,387
Speaker 25: Sadly Rugby League hasn't been I guess the archive the

1923
01:35:00,507 --> 01:35:04,347
Speaker 25: history hasn't been respected, especially from the video. The video

1924
01:35:04,467 --> 01:35:07,787
Speaker 25: perspective it was in the eighties and even the previous

1925
01:35:07,827 --> 01:35:09,787
Speaker 25: film they did which we use footage of Dad in

1926
01:35:11,027 --> 01:35:13,347
Speaker 25: when we tried to get footage. One of the networks

1927
01:35:13,347 --> 01:35:15,747
Speaker 25: in Australia had the rights, they lost it, they burnt

1928
01:35:15,747 --> 01:35:18,467
Speaker 25: all their archive. They didn't hand it over to the

1929
01:35:18,547 --> 01:35:21,027
Speaker 25: new South Oaserabi League or anything, and that's kind of

1930
01:35:21,467 --> 01:35:24,267
Speaker 25: the way it was. So, you know, half the time

1931
01:35:24,347 --> 01:35:27,507
Speaker 25: were we got footage from broadcast or et cetera. But

1932
01:35:27,667 --> 01:35:30,427
Speaker 25: you know the other half it was John O who

1933
01:35:30,547 --> 01:35:33,507
Speaker 25: recorded it on his VHS to his TV in nineteen

1934
01:35:33,587 --> 01:35:37,667
Speaker 25: eighty three and he kept the DVD and he contacted

1935
01:35:37,787 --> 01:35:40,347
Speaker 25: me or contacted someone else and we were lucky enough

1936
01:35:40,347 --> 01:35:42,427
Speaker 25: to get that footage. So it was it was a

1937
01:35:42,547 --> 01:35:45,907
Speaker 25: bit of a journey doing the archive, but luckily we

1938
01:35:45,987 --> 01:35:46,747
Speaker 25: got there in the end.

1939
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it adds so much to it, you know.

1940
01:35:49,427 --> 01:35:51,667
Speaker 3: You you know, Mark, you talk about some of these

1941
01:35:51,707 --> 01:35:53,827
Speaker 3: games or some of the other interviewees do, and then

1942
01:35:53,827 --> 01:35:56,787
Speaker 3: you see that footage and man, again, it's just so

1943
01:35:57,027 --> 01:36:00,667
Speaker 3: well done, you guys. It just is a really, really

1944
01:36:00,707 --> 01:36:03,547
Speaker 3: good piece of work. Just back to the edit. Look

1945
01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:05,467
Speaker 3: interested you know, you said you had four and a

1946
01:36:05,507 --> 01:36:07,507
Speaker 3: half hours earth and you thought, oh, that's pretty good.

1947
01:36:07,547 --> 01:36:09,427
Speaker 3: Down to eighty three, did it get to the point

1948
01:36:09,467 --> 01:36:11,387
Speaker 3: where you were just watching it so much that actually

1949
01:36:11,467 --> 01:36:13,507
Speaker 3: you were a bit of a more of diminishing return.

1950
01:36:13,547 --> 01:36:15,427
Speaker 3: And you thought, I've watched this too much, I can't

1951
01:36:15,467 --> 01:36:18,267
Speaker 3: possibly be dispassionate about it anymore.

1952
01:36:18,987 --> 01:36:21,907
Speaker 25: Well, well, definitely. To be honest, I'll be honest with filmmaking,

1953
01:36:22,067 --> 01:36:25,667
Speaker 25: is I I changed the editor and we changed a

1954
01:36:25,707 --> 01:36:28,307
Speaker 25: few shots. And hopefully this this doesn't go across to Australia,

1955
01:36:28,387 --> 01:36:30,547
Speaker 25: Sis screen Astraians from Queensland don't here. But we changed

1956
01:36:30,547 --> 01:36:34,107
Speaker 25: a few shots recently. And you you know, as a filmmaker,

1957
01:36:34,187 --> 01:36:36,507
Speaker 25: that's part of you know, as a rugby league player,

1958
01:36:36,507 --> 01:36:38,107
Speaker 25: you've got to train, you've got to eat right, you've

1959
01:36:38,107 --> 01:36:40,867
Speaker 25: got to sleep. As a filmmaker, you just you know,

1960
01:36:40,987 --> 01:36:44,867
Speaker 25: I've seen that film a thousand times. When you went round.

1961
01:36:44,947 --> 01:36:47,467
Speaker 25: We were watching the cinema. I was looking. I was

1962
01:36:47,507 --> 01:36:50,347
Speaker 25: still picking out mistakes in everything that I we were doing,

1963
01:36:51,107 --> 01:36:53,987
Speaker 25: and I was thinking, oh gosh, oh no. But it's

1964
01:36:54,107 --> 01:36:57,987
Speaker 25: you know, it's it's part and parcel to filmmaking, and yeah.

1965
01:36:58,627 --> 01:37:00,747
Speaker 3: Yeah, across you have to be it probably that you'll

1966
01:37:00,787 --> 01:37:02,627
Speaker 3: never be, never be entirely pleased.

1967
01:37:03,707 --> 01:37:03,907
Speaker 9: Mark.

1968
01:37:04,067 --> 01:37:08,507
Speaker 3: You were obviously well known for the the incredible toughness

1969
01:37:08,547 --> 01:37:10,467
Speaker 3: that you brought to the rugby league field and the

1970
01:37:10,587 --> 01:37:13,387
Speaker 3: punishment you took the physical punishment you took. Do you

1971
01:37:13,467 --> 01:37:14,827
Speaker 3: have any lasting effects from that?

1972
01:37:17,387 --> 01:37:21,307
Speaker 2: My wife would mostually say so Jason. She's always getting

1973
01:37:21,347 --> 01:37:24,427
Speaker 2: onto me saying you keep forgetting things. Well do I

1974
01:37:24,547 --> 01:37:25,907
Speaker 2: just wanted to don't want to do what you ask

1975
01:37:25,987 --> 01:37:28,147
Speaker 2: if you do. But I can use it as a

1976
01:37:28,187 --> 01:37:28,787
Speaker 2: bit of a crux.

1977
01:37:29,067 --> 01:37:31,827
Speaker 3: Yes, But what about physically you're able to? I mean

1978
01:37:31,867 --> 01:37:34,307
Speaker 3: I can only tell by looking at the You know

1979
01:37:34,427 --> 01:37:36,787
Speaker 3: you're in pretty good physical shape. Still you okay to

1980
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:38,547
Speaker 3: get around? You can get around a golf course obviously.

1981
01:37:38,667 --> 01:37:38,867
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1982
01:37:38,907 --> 01:37:41,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, I trained, they still train. I

1983
01:37:41,547 --> 01:37:44,907
Speaker 2: lift weights, So yeah, I lift heavy weights. I play

1984
01:37:44,907 --> 01:37:47,427
Speaker 2: a bit of golf. I've had a neck operation and

1985
01:37:47,627 --> 01:37:51,107
Speaker 2: a Shouler reversal, and they wanted to give me a.

1986
01:37:52,667 --> 01:37:52,987
Speaker 24: Knee.

1987
01:37:54,347 --> 01:37:57,667
Speaker 2: Something to do with my knee. Knee anyway, it was

1988
01:37:57,707 --> 01:38:01,627
Speaker 2: a big one. Anyway, just changed my diet and so

1989
01:38:01,747 --> 01:38:08,067
Speaker 2: I don't have sugar, dairy or gluten, and all my

1990
01:38:08,227 --> 01:38:11,027
Speaker 2: inflammatory markers have dropped and I'm good to go.

1991
01:38:11,307 --> 01:38:12,787
Speaker 3: Great to hear, great to hear. Thank you.

1992
01:38:13,427 --> 01:38:13,627
Speaker 26: Look.

1993
01:38:13,707 --> 01:38:16,147
Speaker 3: This is a documentary about rugby league and about a

1994
01:38:16,187 --> 01:38:18,747
Speaker 3: rugby league player, obviously, but it's also about family and

1995
01:38:19,467 --> 01:38:22,507
Speaker 3: the tragedy that your family, with the death of Matthew,

1996
01:38:22,587 --> 01:38:27,387
Speaker 3: your son Mark, your brother Luke. How confronting Luke was

1997
01:38:27,467 --> 01:38:29,867
Speaker 3: that to relive well yet to.

1998
01:38:29,947 --> 01:38:34,787
Speaker 25: Be honest, and I'll say that with the Dad and

1999
01:38:34,827 --> 01:38:36,427
Speaker 25: I hadn't talked about it before, and that was one

2000
01:38:36,467 --> 01:38:38,867
Speaker 25: of the first things when I was discussing the idea

2001
01:38:38,947 --> 01:38:42,347
Speaker 25: with Dad was that I wanted to bring up about

2002
01:38:42,987 --> 01:38:48,187
Speaker 25: Matthew's passing because it wasn't It's something that we'd lived through.

2003
01:38:48,667 --> 01:38:51,227
Speaker 25: We'd kind of exactly what it was in the film.

2004
01:38:51,587 --> 01:38:53,307
Speaker 25: We didn't talk about it prior. We haven't talked about

2005
01:38:53,307 --> 01:38:55,747
Speaker 25: it prior. We talked about it then and there and

2006
01:38:56,267 --> 01:38:58,747
Speaker 25: we were as you could you could see that we

2007
01:38:58,827 --> 01:39:01,267
Speaker 25: were on very similar wave links with it and how

2008
01:39:01,307 --> 01:39:01,867
Speaker 25: we dealt.

2009
01:39:01,707 --> 01:39:02,187
Speaker 2: With it, etc.

2010
01:39:02,667 --> 01:39:06,147
Speaker 25: And that was kind of the way we survived, was

2011
01:39:06,467 --> 01:39:08,187
Speaker 25: dealing with it like that. But it was what was

2012
01:39:08,267 --> 01:39:13,147
Speaker 25: really important, especially for myself, was that we were communicating

2013
01:39:13,707 --> 01:39:17,107
Speaker 25: to an audience about something that every single human being

2014
01:39:17,827 --> 01:39:20,227
Speaker 25: deals with in some way, shape or form. No one's

2015
01:39:20,267 --> 01:39:23,707
Speaker 25: really Superman, no one's bulletproof. We all feel no matter

2016
01:39:23,787 --> 01:39:26,507
Speaker 25: who we are in this world, and it's really important

2017
01:39:26,547 --> 01:39:28,867
Speaker 25: that you know, certainly just as a filmmaker myself to

2018
01:39:29,347 --> 01:39:34,347
Speaker 25: to to communicate to the public that it's okay, it's okay.

2019
01:39:34,507 --> 01:39:36,707
Speaker 25: You know, sometimes we feel down, sometimes we feel great,

2020
01:39:37,107 --> 01:39:40,347
Speaker 25: but make sure that you're communicate to those people around

2021
01:39:40,427 --> 01:39:41,947
Speaker 25: you or if you can see someone, give them a hand.

2022
01:39:42,987 --> 01:39:47,907
Speaker 3: It's incredibly authentic. It's pretty raw, pretty harrowing. Mark, How

2023
01:39:47,987 --> 01:39:50,427
Speaker 3: have you managed to move on in your life after

2024
01:39:50,787 --> 01:39:51,547
Speaker 3: such a tragedy.

2025
01:39:52,827 --> 01:39:54,907
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, I think, as Luke just pointed

2026
01:39:54,947 --> 01:39:57,307
Speaker 2: out Jason, that the fact of the matter is that

2027
01:39:57,507 --> 01:40:00,467
Speaker 2: not everything goes really good for everybody, and it's just

2028
01:40:00,547 --> 01:40:02,107
Speaker 2: one of them things that you've got to do everybody,

2029
01:40:02,667 --> 01:40:04,467
Speaker 2: everybody that you know, and I know I've most really

2030
01:40:04,547 --> 01:40:08,067
Speaker 2: lost somebody. They've had a heartbreak, had financial waves, have

2031
01:40:08,187 --> 01:40:11,107
Speaker 2: had lack of sleep, whatever. You know, there's there's lots

2032
01:40:11,147 --> 01:40:13,827
Speaker 2: of problems out there, and we just deal with them

2033
01:40:13,827 --> 01:40:15,387
Speaker 2: by getting up in the morning and doing your best

2034
01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:21,347
Speaker 2: you can. And I'm a believer in the Good Lord,

2035
01:40:21,427 --> 01:40:22,907
Speaker 2: and I pray in the morning and in the evening,

2036
01:40:22,947 --> 01:40:26,307
Speaker 2: and I pray for Matthew and my family and and

2037
01:40:26,427 --> 01:40:29,267
Speaker 2: any every chance I can get, so, you know, and

2038
01:40:29,387 --> 01:40:31,507
Speaker 2: I just compartmentalized. I just put it there and I

2039
01:40:31,627 --> 01:40:33,307
Speaker 2: get to it when I go to bed that that

2040
01:40:33,427 --> 01:40:34,667
Speaker 2: evening and I think about it, then.

2041
01:40:35,467 --> 01:40:39,547
Speaker 3: Well, it adds an extraordinary layer to to a to

2042
01:40:39,667 --> 01:40:44,427
Speaker 3: a terrific documentary. Just before you go, Sharko. You tease

2043
01:40:44,547 --> 01:40:46,907
Speaker 3: us all the way through. You know, you ask all

2044
01:40:46,947 --> 01:40:49,467
Speaker 3: your guests you know why is he called Sharko? A

2045
01:40:49,547 --> 01:40:51,267
Speaker 3: couple of them ever have a guess at it, but

2046
01:40:51,347 --> 01:40:53,147
Speaker 3: nobody seems to really know. And even at the end,

2047
01:40:53,227 --> 01:40:55,427
Speaker 3: unless I've missed it, you don't tell us. So how

2048
01:40:55,467 --> 01:40:58,307
Speaker 3: did you get the nickname? Well, it's it was, it was.

2049
01:40:58,947 --> 01:41:01,427
Speaker 25: It was very interesting how he got that in it

2050
01:41:01,547 --> 01:41:03,387
Speaker 25: was I think he got it through a friend of his,

2051
01:41:04,467 --> 01:41:07,267
Speaker 25: and that friend was nice and to actually tell me

2052
01:41:07,827 --> 01:41:10,787
Speaker 25: very recently about it, and while I was making the documentary,

2053
01:41:10,787 --> 01:41:12,507
Speaker 25: because obviously that was one of his. He's had a

2054
01:41:12,547 --> 01:41:14,187
Speaker 25: few nick names. A few of them we can't say

2055
01:41:14,227 --> 01:41:17,987
Speaker 25: on radio obviously, but yeah, this this gentleman told me

2056
01:41:18,107 --> 01:41:20,147
Speaker 25: about it, told me the nickname, and I thought that was.

2057
01:41:20,387 --> 01:41:21,107
Speaker 3: That was very good.

2058
01:41:21,187 --> 01:41:22,947
Speaker 25: But sadly, Jason, I'm not going to tell you.

2059
01:41:23,587 --> 01:41:25,627
Speaker 3: I knew you were coming to that, Luke. I knew

2060
01:41:25,707 --> 01:41:28,067
Speaker 3: as you were as you were affering that scene. Since

2061
01:41:28,067 --> 01:41:29,907
Speaker 3: I thought there's a butt. There's a butt coming up

2062
01:41:29,907 --> 01:41:32,467
Speaker 3: at the end of this, but I can't tell you.

2063
01:41:32,667 --> 01:41:34,467
Speaker 3: I can't tell you what it adds a. I just

2064
01:41:34,547 --> 01:41:36,507
Speaker 3: love it how it ends without the thought I'm finally

2065
01:41:36,547 --> 01:41:38,387
Speaker 3: going to find out why he's called Sharko. I donet

2066
01:41:38,387 --> 01:41:44,187
Speaker 3: never did, I never did again, guys, terrific. I really

2067
01:41:44,307 --> 01:41:46,067
Speaker 3: enjoyed watching it. I thought it was a terrific piece

2068
01:41:46,107 --> 01:41:46,667
Speaker 3: of filmmaking.

2069
01:41:47,107 --> 01:41:47,307
Speaker 18: Luke.

2070
01:41:47,347 --> 01:41:50,307
Speaker 3: By you, Mark, even though you sound as though you

2071
01:41:50,387 --> 01:41:53,707
Speaker 3: were an unwilling subject, I think it's a terrific portrayal

2072
01:41:53,747 --> 01:41:56,507
Speaker 3: of your life, both on and off the rugby league field.

2073
01:41:56,547 --> 01:41:59,027
Speaker 3: Thanks for popping in for a chat. I'm sure a

2074
01:41:59,107 --> 01:42:00,787
Speaker 3: lot of people will take a lot from Sharko.

2075
01:42:01,307 --> 01:42:02,307
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason, thank you.

2076
01:42:02,627 --> 01:42:06,667
Speaker 3: Thanks guys. That's Luke Graham and Mark Graham. Shark is

2077
01:42:06,747 --> 01:42:10,147
Speaker 3: the name of the documentary. It premiere is in the

2078
01:42:10,387 --> 01:42:13,907
Speaker 3: weak ahead. In fact, I think the first premiere is

2079
01:42:13,947 --> 01:42:14,707
Speaker 3: actually tonight, guys.

2080
01:42:14,827 --> 01:42:15,387
Speaker 10: Is yes, it is.

2081
01:42:15,507 --> 01:42:21,627
Speaker 3: It's tonight and Lynn Moore the first premiere Sharko. It's

2082
01:42:21,667 --> 01:42:23,667
Speaker 3: called I'm sure if you googled it you'll find all

2083
01:42:23,707 --> 01:42:25,747
Speaker 3: the screening details. I've had the chance to have a

2084
01:42:25,867 --> 01:42:28,427
Speaker 3: look at an advanced screening of it ahead of having

2085
01:42:28,427 --> 01:42:30,907
Speaker 3: a chat to the guys, and yeah, it's well worth

2086
01:42:31,027 --> 01:42:33,147
Speaker 3: a look, not just for rugby league fans who will

2087
01:42:33,187 --> 01:42:37,707
Speaker 3: take plenty from it, but for sports fans and those

2088
01:42:37,747 --> 01:42:41,747
Speaker 3: who enjoy good filmmaking, which this certainly is. Two twenty

2089
01:42:41,827 --> 01:42:45,707
Speaker 3: six Quick check on some Ford trophy scores for you.

2090
01:42:46,107 --> 01:42:49,227
Speaker 3: First innings all done across our three matches in Hamilton

2091
01:42:49,547 --> 01:42:53,347
Speaker 3: Northern District's all at two forty eight against Auckland. Auckland

2092
01:42:53,387 --> 01:42:55,867
Speaker 3: about to set off in chase of two forty nine

2093
01:42:55,907 --> 01:43:00,147
Speaker 3: to win that one. Slightly easier task for central districts.

2094
01:43:00,227 --> 01:43:02,747
Speaker 3: In the range Yoda they only need two hundred and

2095
01:43:02,867 --> 01:43:05,587
Speaker 3: five to beat Canterbury after bowling them out for two

2096
01:43:05,667 --> 01:43:09,867
Speaker 3: hundred and four. And in Dunedin Wellington have bowled Otagoat

2097
01:43:09,907 --> 01:43:11,587
Speaker 3: in the final over of their fifty for two hundred

2098
01:43:11,587 --> 01:43:14,987
Speaker 3: and seventy three. They'll shortly get out there and try

2099
01:43:14,987 --> 01:43:17,627
Speaker 3: and chase down two hundred and seventy four to win

2100
01:43:17,707 --> 01:43:20,987
Speaker 3: that one. When we come back on weekend sport. What

2101
01:43:21,147 --> 01:43:25,027
Speaker 3: are the things about us as Kiwi's that are qualities

2102
01:43:25,107 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 3: which also lead to us being successful on the sports field?

2103
01:43:29,507 --> 01:43:32,867
Speaker 3: Wayne Goldsmith, Our coaching Guru with one of his regular

2104
01:43:33,147 --> 01:43:35,627
Speaker 3: chats to us on this very thing right after.

2105
01:43:35,547 --> 01:43:38,347
Speaker 9: This It's more than just a game.

2106
01:43:38,707 --> 01:43:42,827
Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Pine and GJ. Garnoves new

2107
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:45,947
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder News TALKSB.

2108
01:43:46,267 --> 01:43:49,627
Speaker 3: News Talks AB two thirty. The last few weeks have

2109
01:43:49,707 --> 01:43:52,507
Speaker 3: seen a period of terrific success for Kiwis on the

2110
01:43:52,587 --> 01:43:56,027
Speaker 3: international sporting states. The White Ferns of course T twenty

2111
01:43:56,587 --> 01:43:59,507
Speaker 3: World champions, the black Caps winning a series in India

2112
01:43:59,907 --> 01:44:02,747
Speaker 3: for the first time, Team New Zealand retaining the America's Cup,

2113
01:44:02,827 --> 01:44:06,667
Speaker 3: Liam Lawson getting his full time Formula one drive, Silver

2114
01:44:06,747 --> 01:44:10,747
Speaker 3: Ferns winning the Constellation Cup, triathlet Hayden Wild winning events

2115
01:44:10,787 --> 01:44:14,267
Speaker 3: in the World Series, New Zealand claiming a record medal

2116
01:44:14,467 --> 01:44:17,387
Speaker 3: haul at the Paris Olympics, and lots more. One of

2117
01:44:17,467 --> 01:44:20,827
Speaker 3: our regular contributors on the show is Coaching Guru Wayne Goldsmith.

2118
01:44:20,907 --> 01:44:25,507
Speaker 3: He's worked with New Zealand swimming, netball, rugby, triathlon, rugby league,

2119
01:44:25,587 --> 01:44:29,587
Speaker 3: rowing and the Canoe Kayak Organization and has been to

2120
01:44:29,867 --> 01:44:34,747
Speaker 3: and worked in sport in Southland, Otago, Canterbury, Wellington, Tatanhaky, Hamilton,

2121
01:44:34,787 --> 01:44:37,987
Speaker 3: Hawks Bay, gisbon Auckland, Northland, Bay of Plenty and Topor,

2122
01:44:38,187 --> 01:44:42,027
Speaker 3: so he's pretty well placed to analyze the success and

2123
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Speaker 3: put it into context for us. Wayne. First of all,

2124
01:44:46,067 --> 01:44:50,467
Speaker 3: are their qualities which are uniquely key we or certainly

2125
01:44:50,627 --> 01:44:54,987
Speaker 3: common to New Zealanders, which contribute to our sporting success.

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Speaker 9: I think about that a lot because a part of

2127
01:45:00,467 --> 01:45:03,707
Speaker 9: my job is as a as a sports consultant or

2128
01:45:03,747 --> 01:45:06,987
Speaker 9: as an advisor, is to try and understand in the why.

2129
01:45:07,587 --> 01:45:09,747
Speaker 9: So anyone can look at the white and say, wow,

2130
01:45:09,827 --> 01:45:12,587
Speaker 9: look this is impressive, but you start to dig in

2131
01:45:12,707 --> 01:45:14,907
Speaker 9: and say, how did they do it? But why is

2132
01:45:14,987 --> 01:45:18,827
Speaker 9: this happening? It can be sometimes you've got one great

2133
01:45:18,947 --> 01:45:22,347
Speaker 9: coach or a set of circumstances that have led to

2134
01:45:22,427 --> 01:45:25,707
Speaker 9: a situation where you've got an edgy in something. But

2135
01:45:26,147 --> 01:45:29,187
Speaker 9: the consistency with which New Zealand has just managed to

2136
01:45:29,267 --> 01:45:34,547
Speaker 9: keep producing great athletes, great coaches, great teams, men and women,

2137
01:45:34,947 --> 01:45:39,867
Speaker 9: different ages, different sports, Paris sport, Olympic sport, the range

2138
01:45:39,867 --> 01:45:42,387
Speaker 9: has been incredible. So you've got to start to really

2139
01:45:42,467 --> 01:45:46,587
Speaker 9: dig into why. And look, he may be listening. I

2140
01:45:46,747 --> 01:45:48,827
Speaker 9: can't remember the guy's name, but I was at a

2141
01:45:48,907 --> 01:45:52,067
Speaker 9: conference in New Zealand in Auckland a long time ago,

2142
01:45:52,227 --> 01:45:54,787
Speaker 9: That's Sport in New Zealand had put on and they

2143
01:45:54,987 --> 01:45:58,147
Speaker 9: kicked off with a guy who was a New Zealand

2144
01:45:58,267 --> 01:46:02,867
Speaker 9: cultural expert who explained the way the Keywis do what

2145
01:46:02,947 --> 01:46:04,787
Speaker 9: they do and he said, when you think about us,

2146
01:46:05,507 --> 01:46:08,907
Speaker 9: he said, remember that on the world stage, our three

2147
01:46:09,067 --> 01:46:12,987
Speaker 9: most prominent symbols are a black jumper, so no color

2148
01:46:13,387 --> 01:46:19,707
Speaker 9: if you like, a flightless, quiet burd that hangs around

2149
01:46:19,787 --> 01:46:23,227
Speaker 9: under bushes, and the underside of a fern. And he said,

2150
01:46:23,267 --> 01:46:24,707
Speaker 9: and I was trying to figure ou where he was

2151
01:46:24,707 --> 01:46:27,267
Speaker 9: going with this point, and he said, it's because we

2152
01:46:27,507 --> 01:46:31,187
Speaker 9: just get on with it, quietly, unassuming. We just do

2153
01:46:31,387 --> 01:46:33,827
Speaker 9: what we do and we're not looking for accolades. We

2154
01:46:33,907 --> 01:46:37,467
Speaker 9: don't talk ourselves up. And he talked about how your symbols,

2155
01:46:37,507 --> 01:46:41,667
Speaker 9: your national symbols, very much reflect that, and every key

2156
01:46:41,707 --> 01:46:44,627
Speaker 9: we that I spoke to at that conference said, yes,

2157
01:46:45,067 --> 01:46:48,107
Speaker 9: this guy gets it. And I think that's why it's

2158
01:46:49,027 --> 01:46:51,307
Speaker 9: that's the contrast say between New Zealand and Australia, New

2159
01:46:51,387 --> 01:46:55,507
Speaker 9: Zealand and the United States, that we're very much the opposite.

2160
01:46:55,587 --> 01:46:57,747
Speaker 9: We like to talk it up. There's a lot of bluster,

2161
01:46:57,947 --> 01:47:00,667
Speaker 9: there's a lot of trash talking and there's all that

2162
01:47:00,707 --> 01:47:03,147
Speaker 9: sort of stuff. Can we just get on with it?

2163
01:47:03,707 --> 01:47:08,187
Speaker 9: And I think it's again that you've managed to do

2164
01:47:08,307 --> 01:47:11,947
Speaker 9: some remarkable things without having to sing and dance and

2165
01:47:12,147 --> 01:47:14,227
Speaker 9: tell the world about it. You just get on with it.

2166
01:47:15,467 --> 01:47:17,427
Speaker 3: I guess the flip side of that, and you would

2167
01:47:17,427 --> 01:47:19,587
Speaker 3: have picked up on this, I'm sure is the accusation

2168
01:47:19,747 --> 01:47:22,067
Speaker 3: that has often aimed at us, and the comparison has

2169
01:47:22,107 --> 01:47:25,107
Speaker 3: made with Australians on this is that we're not hard

2170
01:47:25,267 --> 01:47:28,987
Speaker 3: nosed enough, we're not winners, We're just happy to participate.

2171
01:47:29,107 --> 01:47:31,827
Speaker 3: But both things can be true, can't they?

2172
01:47:33,387 --> 01:47:36,347
Speaker 9: Oh, of course they can. I think there was. There

2173
01:47:36,387 --> 01:47:39,347
Speaker 9: was a book written by great Australian historian called Jeffrey

2174
01:47:39,427 --> 01:47:43,707
Speaker 9: Blainey called The Tyranny of Distance, and in it he

2175
01:47:43,867 --> 01:47:48,187
Speaker 9: argued that who Australia was was a product of two things.

2176
01:47:48,907 --> 01:47:54,067
Speaker 9: Was its history, which up to the mid nineteen hundreds

2177
01:47:54,427 --> 01:48:00,667
Speaker 9: was largely a product of the influence of English colonization,

2178
01:48:00,787 --> 01:48:05,947
Speaker 9: and then it's become very very multic contribution and impact

2179
01:48:06,147 --> 01:48:10,027
Speaker 9: of indigenous Australians. But he said it was that was

2180
01:48:10,107 --> 01:48:12,067
Speaker 9: a big factor. But he said one of the biggest

2181
01:48:13,147 --> 01:48:16,227
Speaker 9: reasons why we are who we are was the tyranny

2182
01:48:16,307 --> 01:48:19,027
Speaker 9: of distance. Was we couldn't just pop across the border

2183
01:48:19,427 --> 01:48:23,027
Speaker 9: and have interactions with another country. Wasn't easy to get around,

2184
01:48:23,547 --> 01:48:26,307
Speaker 9: and we had to develop our own way of doing things,

2185
01:48:26,907 --> 01:48:29,227
Speaker 9: which was both a strength and a weakness. And I

2186
01:48:29,307 --> 01:48:32,587
Speaker 9: think New Zealand is that even more so. I think

2187
01:48:32,707 --> 01:48:34,947
Speaker 9: that you know, it's easy to say, well, we're not

2188
01:48:35,147 --> 01:48:36,987
Speaker 9: like France and Germany and we can't do it like

2189
01:48:37,027 --> 01:48:40,027
Speaker 9: the United States, and we don't have the advantages that

2190
01:48:40,227 --> 01:48:43,587
Speaker 9: Europeans or the But do you know what, I think

2191
01:48:43,707 --> 01:48:46,507
Speaker 9: that's one of the key reasons why you're so great is.

2192
01:48:46,587 --> 01:48:50,027
Speaker 17: Because you've got to come up with your own way

2193
01:48:50,107 --> 01:48:52,307
Speaker 17: of doing things. You can go, well, we're at the

2194
01:48:52,347 --> 01:48:52,787
Speaker 17: bottom of.

2195
01:48:52,787 --> 01:48:54,587
Speaker 9: The world or a long way from Enyth. It cost

2196
01:48:54,667 --> 01:48:58,267
Speaker 9: us a bloody fortune to get and compete. Sure, you

2197
01:48:58,347 --> 01:49:01,867
Speaker 9: could argue that those are the things that are potential disadvantages,

2198
01:49:02,547 --> 01:49:05,307
Speaker 9: or you get on with it and say, we're going

2199
01:49:05,387 --> 01:49:09,627
Speaker 9: to find a way to win that's genuinely uniquely kiw

2200
01:49:09,827 --> 01:49:12,187
Speaker 9: We're going to find a way to win that works

2201
01:49:12,307 --> 01:49:15,947
Speaker 9: for us where we are. And look, I think not

2202
01:49:16,107 --> 01:49:17,787
Speaker 9: as much as it used to be pint. It used

2203
01:49:17,787 --> 01:49:21,307
Speaker 9: to be that we could almost do what I used

2204
01:49:21,307 --> 01:49:24,147
Speaker 9: to call hit and run missions, which was too We

2205
01:49:24,707 --> 01:49:26,947
Speaker 9: would come up with some ideas and some unique ways

2206
01:49:26,947 --> 01:49:29,267
Speaker 9: of doing things in this part of the world and

2207
01:49:29,347 --> 01:49:33,067
Speaker 9: then head up north compete against Americans, the Canadians, the Brits,

2208
01:49:33,107 --> 01:49:36,587
Speaker 9: the Europeans, and get a bit of an edge on

2209
01:49:36,667 --> 01:49:39,587
Speaker 9: them because we had to come up with ideas and

2210
01:49:39,707 --> 01:49:42,187
Speaker 9: things and ways of doing things that maybe they weren't.

2211
01:49:42,347 --> 01:49:45,067
Speaker 9: Now the Internet means everybody knows what everybody knows, and

2212
01:49:45,587 --> 01:49:48,747
Speaker 9: you can get the same information and the ideas that

2213
01:49:48,787 --> 01:49:51,467
Speaker 9: swapped around. But I think it's still very much the

2214
01:49:51,587 --> 01:49:56,787
Speaker 9: case is that where Kiwi's are brilliant is that they're

2215
01:49:57,107 --> 01:50:03,587
Speaker 9: doing things, saying things, performing in uniquely Kiwi ways. So look,

2216
01:50:03,667 --> 01:50:06,187
Speaker 9: I think you could argue both ways, and you know,

2217
01:50:07,387 --> 01:50:11,107
Speaker 9: I think some of the dumb things that you could do. So,

2218
01:50:11,267 --> 01:50:14,547
Speaker 9: for example, if you're in in Kirwi, sport is so

2219
01:50:14,707 --> 01:50:16,827
Speaker 9: we want to be more like the Americans. Let's bring

2220
01:50:16,827 --> 01:50:20,187
Speaker 9: an American coach in and let's become like that. It's

2221
01:50:20,227 --> 01:50:23,107
Speaker 9: not going to work. I think the great success story

2222
01:50:23,307 --> 01:50:26,347
Speaker 9: is keny Wes are great because they do things at ken.

2223
01:50:26,267 --> 01:50:29,627
Speaker 3: We waiy love it now. The Tarranney of distance is interesting,

2224
01:50:29,707 --> 01:50:32,587
Speaker 3: but what about our size way and only five million

2225
01:50:32,627 --> 01:50:34,907
Speaker 3: of us over here? Do you think that also feeds

2226
01:50:34,947 --> 01:50:38,027
Speaker 3: into our success? A bit of a little brother mentality.

2227
01:50:38,107 --> 01:50:40,147
Speaker 3: We want to we'll show you kind.

2228
01:50:40,027 --> 01:50:40,347
Speaker 8: Of thing.

2229
01:50:42,227 --> 01:50:45,147
Speaker 9: To a degree. Look, I think of other countries around

2230
01:50:45,187 --> 01:50:49,987
Speaker 9: the world who've got small populations who've managed to do

2231
01:50:50,107 --> 01:50:52,507
Speaker 9: remarkable things. So you think a place is like Croatia

2232
01:50:52,587 --> 01:50:57,987
Speaker 9: in football they've done remarkably well. And places like Norway

2233
01:50:58,107 --> 01:51:02,627
Speaker 9: for example, small population, relatively isolated, not the best weather.

2234
01:51:02,667 --> 01:51:04,747
Speaker 9: You wouldn't go there for a holiday if you was

2235
01:51:04,827 --> 01:51:07,827
Speaker 9: looking for sunshine. But with a small population. If you

2236
01:51:07,907 --> 01:51:11,147
Speaker 9: look at their results in winter sport, particularly in the

2237
01:51:11,387 --> 01:51:15,867
Speaker 9: Winter Games, they've been exceptional. But do you know even

2238
01:51:15,987 --> 01:51:18,547
Speaker 9: there if you were to the list and you've just

2239
01:51:18,707 --> 01:51:21,747
Speaker 9: rattled off a handful, But if you add to that swimming,

2240
01:51:22,107 --> 01:51:24,147
Speaker 9: going back to ninety six with Loader, if you go

2241
01:51:24,267 --> 01:51:27,427
Speaker 9: back to the great great track and field distance runners

2242
01:51:27,467 --> 01:51:30,427
Speaker 9: that came through the Lydiard program fifties and sixties, if

2243
01:51:30,467 --> 01:51:33,467
Speaker 9: you go back that long and you look at Norway,

2244
01:51:33,467 --> 01:51:35,787
Speaker 9: and you look at Crowwats and other places with relatively

2245
01:51:35,827 --> 01:51:39,587
Speaker 9: small populations, and a little isolated. You go, yet, well

2246
01:51:39,587 --> 01:51:43,107
Speaker 9: they've done that, but where are there runners? They're triathletes,

2247
01:51:43,867 --> 01:51:48,187
Speaker 9: their golf players, their conuey kayakers, the netballers, their rugby

2248
01:51:48,267 --> 01:51:52,787
Speaker 9: league players. Know the range of sport that New Zealand's

2249
01:51:52,787 --> 01:51:57,107
Speaker 9: been successful in is absolutely unparallel. And if you do

2250
01:51:57,387 --> 01:52:03,187
Speaker 9: the world championship, world record, Olympic medal per head of population,

2251
01:52:03,387 --> 01:52:07,307
Speaker 9: I think that per capita measure is brilliant that it's

2252
01:52:07,507 --> 01:52:12,027
Speaker 9: mind blowing. And you know, it's interesting that this thing

2253
01:52:12,107 --> 01:52:15,307
Speaker 9: that sporting leaders do, which we call a junket. After

2254
01:52:15,427 --> 01:52:18,267
Speaker 9: every Olympics, they head off and they go, well, US

2255
01:52:18,347 --> 01:52:20,507
Speaker 9: won the medal count, or China won the medal count,

2256
01:52:20,627 --> 01:52:22,907
Speaker 9: or England did pretty good in the medal count. Let's

2257
01:52:22,947 --> 01:52:25,747
Speaker 9: go and do some benchmarking and have a look and

2258
01:52:25,827 --> 01:52:29,467
Speaker 9: see what they're doing. And for the life of me,

2259
01:52:29,667 --> 01:52:33,907
Speaker 9: I don't understand, particularly why smaller nations don't come to

2260
01:52:33,987 --> 01:52:37,227
Speaker 9: New Zealand to see what you're doing, because if they

2261
01:52:37,347 --> 01:52:41,667
Speaker 9: truly understood the scope and the range of sports that

2262
01:52:41,787 --> 01:52:45,707
Speaker 9: you've been successful in, their heads would explode. But they

2263
01:52:45,867 --> 01:52:48,787
Speaker 9: chase the big shiny objects that are really obvious and

2264
01:52:48,827 --> 01:52:51,467
Speaker 9: out there telling everybody how good they are and again

2265
01:52:51,547 --> 01:52:53,227
Speaker 9: made the key we just get on with it. It

2266
01:52:54,907 --> 01:52:59,307
Speaker 9: is a really unique sporting situation on the world stage,

2267
01:52:59,347 --> 01:53:02,187
Speaker 9: and I'm surprised there's not more people marching to your

2268
01:53:02,267 --> 01:53:03,907
Speaker 9: door trying to figure out what you've been doing.

2269
01:53:04,587 --> 01:53:07,747
Speaker 3: So, when you think about the qualities of a Kiwi

2270
01:53:07,827 --> 01:53:10,187
Speaker 3: sports person, and let's move it to the elite level,

2271
01:53:10,667 --> 01:53:13,827
Speaker 3: how do your best as a coach harnessed that, how

2272
01:53:13,867 --> 01:53:17,507
Speaker 3: do you make the most, ring the most out of

2273
01:53:17,627 --> 01:53:20,987
Speaker 3: the qualities you've talked about as being quintessentially Kiwi.

2274
01:53:23,227 --> 01:53:25,467
Speaker 9: Well, I'm a big believer in a phrase that I

2275
01:53:25,667 --> 01:53:29,787
Speaker 9: use called that ultimately you play like your place and

2276
01:53:30,107 --> 01:53:32,027
Speaker 9: you and I have talked about this some time back.

2277
01:53:32,547 --> 01:53:37,747
Speaker 9: But Brazilians are not taught to play football. They're taught

2278
01:53:37,787 --> 01:53:40,267
Speaker 9: to play football, but they do it that way because

2279
01:53:40,307 --> 01:53:43,027
Speaker 9: they're Brazilians, and twenty four hours a day they eat,

2280
01:53:43,107 --> 01:53:46,867
Speaker 9: they drink, they sleep, they talk, their faith, their geography,

2281
01:53:47,107 --> 01:53:50,987
Speaker 9: their family structure, their culture, everything about them is Brazilian.

2282
01:53:51,347 --> 01:53:55,107
Speaker 9: That's reflected in the way that they play football. Germans

2283
01:53:55,147 --> 01:53:59,747
Speaker 9: play football like Germans, Australians play cricket like Australia. The

2284
01:53:59,867 --> 01:54:02,947
Speaker 9: teams that have been very, very successful on a sustained basis,

2285
01:54:03,347 --> 01:54:06,227
Speaker 9: go that's who we are. We know what it looks

2286
01:54:06,227 --> 01:54:09,547
Speaker 9: like and we're doing it our unique way. Now, if

2287
01:54:09,627 --> 01:54:11,707
Speaker 9: you're coaching, if someone said, Wayne, whence you come and

2288
01:54:11,787 --> 01:54:15,147
Speaker 9: coach the Tea Key we team, I wouldn't even mention Australia.

2289
01:54:15,187 --> 01:54:16,907
Speaker 9: As much as I'm a proud Australian I love it,

2290
01:54:17,387 --> 01:54:20,027
Speaker 9: I wouldn't even dream of saying, let's do it in

2291
01:54:20,027 --> 01:54:22,947
Speaker 9: an Australian way or in New Zealand or a way

2292
01:54:22,987 --> 01:54:28,147
Speaker 9: Canadian way. I would say step one is to figure

2293
01:54:28,187 --> 01:54:31,627
Speaker 9: out what does it look like in training day to day,

2294
01:54:31,707 --> 01:54:34,067
Speaker 9: to do it at Key Wee way and look at that.

2295
01:54:34,227 --> 01:54:36,787
Speaker 9: So you know, I sit back as the Australian, I'd say,

2296
01:54:36,787 --> 01:54:41,867
Speaker 9: how to describe que culture, good people, friendly, family focused

2297
01:54:41,907 --> 01:54:45,907
Speaker 9: of course, great unity in their culture with the married

2298
01:54:45,987 --> 01:54:52,187
Speaker 9: people and and the rest of the population. In New Zealand, resilient,

2299
01:54:52,587 --> 01:54:56,347
Speaker 9: really tough, no excuses about the weather. Just they deal

2300
01:54:56,427 --> 01:54:57,387
Speaker 9: with it and get on with it.

2301
01:54:57,987 --> 01:55:00,787
Speaker 17: You know I would I would go, well, then that's

2302
01:55:00,907 --> 01:55:04,107
Speaker 17: the way I'm going to coach them. Would not end

2303
01:55:04,227 --> 01:55:06,187
Speaker 17: for a life of me. Come in and say, hey,

2304
01:55:06,707 --> 01:55:07,587
Speaker 17: you know you can be better.

2305
01:55:07,867 --> 01:55:09,627
Speaker 9: We're going to train like the Americans, or we're going

2306
01:55:09,707 --> 01:55:11,387
Speaker 9: to copy the English system and we're going to do

2307
01:55:11,427 --> 01:55:14,587
Speaker 9: it does not work. The smartest thing you do as

2308
01:55:14,627 --> 01:55:17,387
Speaker 9: a coaches go. I'm dealing with a group of athletes

2309
01:55:17,387 --> 01:55:22,307
Speaker 9: who are tough, resilient, really openly caring, humble, there's no

2310
01:55:22,467 --> 01:55:26,147
Speaker 9: doubt about that. Respectful. Just want to be left alone

2311
01:55:26,187 --> 01:55:28,627
Speaker 9: to get on with it. Don't need to be motivated

2312
01:55:28,667 --> 01:55:30,987
Speaker 9: and yell that screen out because that's not who they are.

2313
01:55:31,147 --> 01:55:34,387
Speaker 9: Just keep going back, black jumper, underside of the fern,

2314
01:55:34,467 --> 01:55:38,907
Speaker 9: flightless bird, those concepts and that's the way that you

2315
01:55:39,067 --> 01:55:41,267
Speaker 9: coach them. They just get on with it. And I

2316
01:55:41,347 --> 01:55:45,627
Speaker 9: think that's a beautiful quality and to it has to

2317
01:55:46,547 --> 01:55:49,387
Speaker 9: it has to be the secret mate because the only

2318
01:55:49,587 --> 01:55:54,587
Speaker 9: consistent thing over the last fifty or sixty years. Technology

2319
01:55:54,587 --> 01:55:59,107
Speaker 9: has changed, transports changed, our views on nutrition and training,

2320
01:55:59,147 --> 01:56:02,507
Speaker 9: all those things have changed. The one consistent factor in

2321
01:56:03,067 --> 01:56:06,107
Speaker 9: the Kiwi sporting success story since the nineteen fifties has

2322
01:56:06,107 --> 01:56:09,827
Speaker 9: been that's your bloody Kigwe's that you're doing it the

2323
01:56:09,947 --> 01:56:11,987
Speaker 9: way you do it because of who you are and

2324
01:56:12,107 --> 01:56:15,307
Speaker 9: where you are. And yeah, it's interesting that.

2325
01:56:15,827 --> 01:56:20,667
Speaker 17: That keewe's Quite often I think I'll be in a

2326
01:56:20,747 --> 01:56:23,547
Speaker 17: group and coaches will say, oh yeah, but you know,

2327
01:56:24,227 --> 01:56:26,987
Speaker 17: we haven't got this and we can't do I would

2328
01:56:27,067 --> 01:56:29,947
Speaker 17: be if I had a new zooaland passport, knowing what

2329
01:56:30,147 --> 01:56:32,387
Speaker 17: you've achieved, you know, you'd be walking around fill and

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Speaker 17: ten foot tall.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're an honorary Keiwe You're always welcome over here

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Speaker 3: and as you know, fascinating insights as always, mate, Thanks

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Speaker 3: so much. Let's hope that the Kiwi success continues and

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Speaker 3: we'll catch up with you again sometime soon.

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Speaker 9: Always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 3: work that he does, or you can just tune in

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Speaker 3: once every month or so when he joins us with

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Speaker 3: as many pearls of wisdom. Seventeen Away from Three News

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Speaker 3: talks Evy.

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Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf, Weekend Sport with Jess

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01:57:06,427 --> 01:57:10,427
Speaker 1: in Time and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

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Speaker 2: News dogs MB.

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Speaker 3: Two forty six want to circle into the Rugby league.

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Speaker 3: The Kiwi's missing out on the final of the Pacific

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01:57:17,947 --> 01:57:20,467
Speaker 3: Championship upter going down to Tonga in a thrilling match

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Speaker 3: last night at Mount smart the visitors prevailing twenty five

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Speaker 3: twenty four thanks to a seventy fifth minute field goal

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Speaker 3: from young halfback Isaiah Karta, but the win was only

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01:57:30,867 --> 01:57:33,827
Speaker 3: secured after New Zealand's stormback. They were twenty four niiled

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01:57:33,867 --> 01:57:36,627
Speaker 3: down New Zealand the first half. They leveled it up

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Speaker 3: at twenty four all with more than ten minutes to go,

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Speaker 3: having conceded four unanswered tries in the first thirty two minutes.

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Speaker 3: The Kiwis ran in four straight themselves and looked favorites

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Speaker 3: to win the match, but with time ticking down, Cartor

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Speaker 3: the hero for Tonga, nailing a thirty meter field goal

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Speaker 3: to send them through to next weekend's title decider against Australia.

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Speaker 3: It'll be the first time Tonga have played in a

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Speaker 3: Tier One final. Here is Kiwi's coach Stacy Jones with

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Speaker 3: his initial thoughts afterwards.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, very tough. Obviously, the first half was we were

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Speaker 24: just physically.

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01:58:13,747 --> 01:58:17,987
Speaker 26: Physically batter They just ran harder, they tackled harder, forced

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Speaker 26: us into errors. We had eight errors in the first

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Speaker 26: half and it compounded and you know, we just lost

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01:58:24,987 --> 01:58:29,827
Speaker 26: focus on jobs at times, you know, defensive eras where

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01:58:31,387 --> 01:58:34,027
Speaker 26: you know, we gave up inside Childers, gave up a

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01:58:34,067 --> 01:58:37,867
Speaker 26: couple of soft tries by you know, just defensive stuff

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Speaker 26: that's not in our principles. But it compounded off the

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Speaker 26: back of really ages physically dominated us in that first half.

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Speaker 3: Was the team a little bit rattled in the first half.

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Speaker 26: Look, it's probably more more on question for Fish, but

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Speaker 26: we spoke about it in the.

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Speaker 24: Changing room and the boys, you know, we asked them

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01:58:58,227 --> 01:58:59,107
Speaker 24: about it, and they said.

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01:58:58,987 --> 01:59:02,267
Speaker 26: They were really connected as far as the chat and

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01:59:02,307 --> 01:59:04,787
Speaker 26: the huddle, so that was still fairly focused.

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Speaker 24: But yeah, looks probably more question for the Fish, but you.

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Speaker 26: Know, obviously didn't look like it, but I think the

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01:59:12,107 --> 01:59:14,467
Speaker 26: boys said they were still pretty focused on what they

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Speaker 26: had to do.

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Speaker 3: To the second half and the turnaround. What was behind

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Speaker 3: the turnaround in the second half.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, Look, it was important that we got some points

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Speaker 26: on the board and gave us a bit of confidence going.

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Speaker 9: Into that second half.

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Speaker 26: And you know, we knew that if we got some

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Speaker 26: ball and good field position, you know, and we were

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Speaker 26: threatening and we showed that. Now we scored three tries

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Speaker 26: by playing some nice foot but it was also off

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Speaker 26: the back of where we started to be a bit

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Speaker 26: more physical and plaid the game model that we wanted

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Speaker 26: to play.

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Speaker 24: But unfortunately the first half we just we just couldn't

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Speaker 24: do it.

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01:59:53,107 --> 01:59:55,227
Speaker 3: And so as the points were mounting and the scoreline

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01:59:55,307 --> 01:59:57,747
Speaker 3: was getting narrow up between the two teams, did Stacy

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Speaker 3: Jones start to think that they could win the game.

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Speaker 26: I didn't think we're going to win the game. We

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Speaker 26: had no meta obviously, but then I think we we

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02:00:06,627 --> 02:00:10,707
Speaker 26: went a little bit loose defensively. We come up again

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Speaker 26: a couple of couple of eras down our left side,

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Speaker 26: and again that sort of took the momentum away.

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Speaker 24: This level of footy you just can't You just can't

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Speaker 24: get the opposition possession of the footing. And when we

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Speaker 24: did get momentum with twenty Togo, that's what happened.

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Speaker 3: We come up a couple of eras and finally from

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Speaker 3: m Keewy's lead coach Stacy Jones, were there any prep

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Speaker 3: issues leading into the game that led to the poor

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Speaker 3: first half performance?

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Speaker 24: No, I don't think so. I think we were clear on.

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Speaker 26: How we went, but we will obviously look back and

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Speaker 26: see if there's anything we could have done differently. But

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Speaker 26: that's a conversation with the leadership group, the coaches and

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Speaker 26: trainers around.

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Speaker 24: Could we have done anything differently for what happened.

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Speaker 26: So we'll definitely review it everyone, the players will review

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Speaker 26: their performance and start will revealed as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 26: I felt we prepared really good for the week off

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Speaker 26: the back of you know, some good signs against Australia

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Speaker 26: and looked at where we needed to improve.

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Speaker 24: And I thought an area where we did improve when.

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Speaker 26: We got some footy a good field position was our

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Speaker 26: attack you know that was clinking the last week, but

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Speaker 26: without our attack board for.

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Speaker 24: Pairly smooth when we moved the ball, you know. And

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Speaker 24: the first start was just we got nothing. We got

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Speaker 24: went down there one score and the other time we

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Speaker 24: come off an era.

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Speaker 3: That is the voice of Stacy jones kiwis coach. So

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Speaker 3: Australia will play Tonga in the Cup final. That's next

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Speaker 3: Sunday at eight twenty New Zealand time. That match will

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Speaker 3: be in Sydney, New Zealand. Now wait the winner of

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Speaker 3: the Bowl, which is the Tier two competition, they'll play

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Speaker 3: promotion relegation against whoever. That is five parts six in

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Speaker 3: Sydney next Sunday and as far as our Kiwi Ferns

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Speaker 3: are concerned. They're in action today in their Pacific Championship

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02:02:13,947 --> 02:02:16,747
Speaker 3: five to four, so about an hour or so away

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Speaker 3: from getting underway against the Popua New Guinea Orchids in

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Speaker 3: Port Moresby. Nine away from three News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: The scoop from the track field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekends Sport with Jason Vine us Talks.

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Speaker 3: NB six to three. Just a final update on these

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Speaker 3: four trophy matches happening around the place. Auckland chasing two

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02:02:38,667 --> 02:02:42,187
Speaker 3: hundred and forty nine to beat Northern in Hamilton twenty

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02:02:42,227 --> 02:02:45,387
Speaker 3: one for two after four overs, a couple of early

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02:02:45,387 --> 02:02:48,107
Speaker 3: wickets down for the Aces there in the Langioda, the

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Speaker 3: Central Stags three without loss through two overs chasing two

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Speaker 3: hundred and five to beat Canterbury. And in Duned and

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Speaker 3: Wellington have lost an early wicket and they're chased for

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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy four to beat Otago they are

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02:02:58,787 --> 02:03:01,467
Speaker 3: two for the loss of one in the second over.

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Speaker 17: There.

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Speaker 3: That is US on Weekend Sport for today. We are

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Speaker 3: back tomorrow night on Sports Talk between seven and eight probably,

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Speaker 3: I would say, having a look ahead to Melbourne Cup

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02:03:12,227 --> 02:03:15,147
Speaker 3: Day on Tuesday. We'll find a way to give us

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Speaker 3: some Melbourne Cup detail tomorrow night, and anything else that

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Speaker 3: happens in the next twenty four hours or so we'll

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Speaker 3: cover off too. To Beverage is on your radio after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock with the Weekend Collective. Huge thanks to Andy

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Speaker 3: McDonald for producing the show today as always, and thank

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Speaker 3: you for listening in and taking part of that's what

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Speaker 3: you decided to do. Well, thanks for just listening. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate you busy and anytime you spend with us, we

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Speaker 3: greatly we greatly appreciate that. For an exit song today, well,

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02:03:42,387 --> 02:03:45,667
Speaker 3: I wanted to pay tribute to Jake Brimmer, who scored

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Speaker 3: both goals in Auckland FC's went over Wellington Phoenix yesterday

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Speaker 3: and the closest I could come was Broom Full of Asher,

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Speaker 3: the corner Shop hit out of nineteen ninety seven wretch.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 3: I know it is a stretch, but you know, incidentally

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Speaker 3: it was released about three months before Jake Brumer was born.

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Speaker 3: So gratulations Jake Brummer and Auckland lift c for you're

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Speaker 3: one in the daby yesterday We'll go out with Broom

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Speaker 3: Full of Aship. See to Mark Well Lash by Wow,

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Speaker 3: Grim Flasher.

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Speaker 22: By five Wow, Satin and Jack and and and Jack

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Speaker 22: and Jack and.

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