1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: All right, it's a very damning inquiry, wasn't it. And 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: it found that public service agencies shared Kiwi's personal information 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: with third party agencies. Now, this inquiry followed allegations that 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: census and COVID vaccination data collected at Manyawa Marai was 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: used to target Maori voters and the Tumma Chemikodo electorate. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: So the report says STATS New Zealand had insufficient safeguards 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: in place to protect the personal data. You know this 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: is serious because the boss of Stats New Zealand, the 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: big Boss, fell on his sword immediately. Health New Zealand 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: and the Ministry of Health were also criticized for their 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: roles in sharing the data. Now, Alan Holds is an 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: employment advocate who represented six Marai workers and one MSD 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: in the inquiry and joins me. 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Now, hello Allen, good morning Andrew. 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: So what does this outcome mean for say, the whistleblowers. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: Vindication? And I guess what it means is that the 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: abuse that has suffered probably for eighteen months has been vindicated. 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: I think the real sad part about the entire story 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: is that the whistle blowers were telling the truth the 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: entire time, and without their bravery. And I'm talking about 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: bravery because all of them are faced retaliation and in 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: different ways abused in public, discredited publicly. I've been discredited 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: publicly on multiple occasions for actually standing up and telling 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: the truth. And without the whistle blowers, we wouldn't have 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: this report. And I think it's a bit disappointing that 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the people involved having said thank you, 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: brave whistle browers for bringing this evidence to us in 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: the format that we could understand. Now. 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Okay, but surely, surely the westse want we want more, 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: because while this inquiry says it should not have been 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't actually say what the information was in leased 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: to do. So it seems incomplete in terms of the 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: total misuse of it. There's there's a lot that is unfocused. 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear the report, and I've read 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: the sixty eight page report, it sees that information was 36 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: shared private information of New Zealanders, A completed census form 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: was shared with people that it shouldn't have been shared 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: with and is a complete breach of privacy. 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Yes, so how contentious does that Tommikimikodo seat result seem? 40 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Now to you? 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: I think a number of us have believed for some 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: time that that if it wasn't for the data being 43 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: excess by Dupai Mary, that would be a different person 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: in Parliament right now in that seat. 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: How much distrusted is this causing. 46 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: I think all it's doing is is proving what a 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: lot of people have thought for a long time about 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: some of the processes that have operated, that there isn't 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: the confidence in the public service. And I say that 50 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: because this particular case is only the tip of the iceberg. 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: We have so many more whistle blower cases within the 52 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: public Service of serious wrongdoing and that's what we're talking about, 53 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: and the report this is only the initial stage where 54 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: they're actually saying what the Public Service investigator found. 55 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: A thank you for your work, thank you for your 56 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: time this morning. That's Allen wholesou represented the whistleblowers. 57 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: For more from Earlily Edition with Ryan Bridge. 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