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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to both of you. Morning Mike, Max, You're right, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: that was a bit low key. What's going on there?

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Speaker 1: You've seen? Have you seen the COVID report? What happened there?

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was my Stevie next voice.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little you a bit husky, Yeah, what's happened there?

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Speaker 1: Because Jason, I could do her. Jason, our bosses had

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Speaker 1: the gastro. You got the guestro as well.

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't that. That department's all going quite well

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Speaker 2: at the moment, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you got? Then? You got the

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Speaker 1: COVID you're in the ninth wave, but COVID if you're

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Speaker 1: eng Michael.

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Speaker 2: Baker just a bit husky in this road this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've had my Kiwi crush drink. That helps me. I'm

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Speaker 2: a big scene of immunity by a golden Kiwi fruit.

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Speaker 2: Good my personal Did you.

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Speaker 1: Put that down as a gift in your registry? Because

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Speaker 1: that sounded like an ad to me? You got shares

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Speaker 1: in something.

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Speaker 2: I'm allowed to do that, but Max not because I'm

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Speaker 2: not a minister. You're okay to do what if it's

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Speaker 2: under five hundred, it should be good. So you would

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Speaker 2: be pretty regular if you had five hundred dollars worth

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Speaker 2: of golden Huvy fruit.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you, okay, I reckon. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you sounded okay in the house. Have you gone downhill overnight?

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Speaker 1: You watching yesterday with your piercing questions, and then it's

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Speaker 1: a whole different story. Were you or were you? You

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Speaker 1: are steroids yesterday?

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of well work out with a bit

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Speaker 2: of a source throat.

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Speaker 1: But no, I'll be good.

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Speaker 2: I'll box on.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 1: You've got a house in Balley. I didn't realize you're

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Speaker 1: own a holiday home in Bali. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We built a place up in a place called Army

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Speaker 3: and that's a little the fishing village. It's not on

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Speaker 3: a tourist here. It's about three and a half hours

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Speaker 3: northeast and some of the best spear fishing in the

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Speaker 3: world and just beautiful, pristine nature. And so we've brought

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Speaker 3: a little place up there.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I knew you went there and you love it,

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Speaker 1: and I get all of that, But how do you

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Speaker 1: build a place in the middle of I mean that

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Speaker 1: must have had you handle the locals the infrastruction of

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Speaker 1: the money, the backhanders, the permits, the red tape.

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Speaker 3: No, we did it through a guy that's actually does

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Speaker 3: some development over there, and so it wasn't you lives

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Speaker 3: up an armed and we just love the position. It's

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Speaker 3: right up a valley. It's just it's just it's a beautiful,

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Speaker 3: stunning place. So open invite anyone wants to go and

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Speaker 3: use it more welcome.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, can I just and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be the only reason for people listening to this going?

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Speaker 1: Why is Hosking gone off piece yet again? Is the

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Speaker 1: registrar came the register came out the other day. Now, Ginny,

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Speaker 1: I think you've got some mortgages in the house and

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Speaker 1: a gym membership. What was on your list?

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Speaker 2: It was a hot yoga membership. And so I've been

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Speaker 2: offer the Mark Joy meeting Tommy one and half a house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, half a house?

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Speaker 3: Half do you live in? Do you live in one

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Speaker 3: half of the house?

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Speaker 2: I share it with my husband, We both live in it.

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Speaker 2: But you have to say that you should.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you got you got half in the banks?

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Speaker 1: Do you find that? I think I'll probably ask you this,

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Speaker 1: but if you've got a mortgage. Do you find that

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Speaker 1: that's invasive? I find that invasive in terms of what

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Speaker 1: you have to reveal. I mean, you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: fe owned sixteen houses in a football stadium and private

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Speaker 1: jet jet youah, sure, But having a house with a

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Speaker 1: mortgage is basically what most New Zealanders have. But it's

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Speaker 1: a bit invasive, isn't it. Well.

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Speaker 2: I think the idea behind it is if you have

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Speaker 2: deeps or that that's what you that's what they're acquiring you.

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Speaker 2: Because if you you're indebted to somebody that you know,

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Speaker 2: you're not a loan shark.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get a mortgage with a bank.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Yeah, that's well. Look I've always put

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Speaker 2: it down minds that never changed in the in the

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Speaker 2: nine years I've been here.

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Speaker 3: But if you did have a loan, if you did

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Speaker 3: have a loan with a loan shut, then you'd have

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Speaker 3: to register it. So that's the So I just think,

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Speaker 3: you know, we have really high levels of transpiritcy in

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Speaker 1: I just it helps all. I'd see when I see

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Speaker 1: that list every number of months whenever it comes out,

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Speaker 1: it is like somebody got tickets at the football Someone's

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Speaker 1: got a mortgage, someone's got a house and buy and large,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty unappealing. Apart from you, Mark, you're the glamour.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can I can I be just a mortgage?

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Speaker 1: Well that's because you've got nine hundred houses. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Why I ask and tell me if I'm being rude

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Speaker 1: to shut up? How much does it cost to build

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Speaker 1: a house in Bali?

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Speaker 3: So that place cost US two hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 3: thousand US and we have got a twenty five year

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Speaker 3: lease on it, so we don't actually own the land,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty common up in Bali. And we have

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Speaker 3: a right to renew for twenty five years, which I'll

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Speaker 3: probably do so the kids and the grand kids can

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Speaker 3: continue to have excess and use it. We got it

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Speaker 3: as a really as a family place where our kids

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Speaker 3: are spirittal around the world, and it's good central location,

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Speaker 3: it's beautiful. What's the lease?

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Speaker 1: What do you put on the lease?

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Speaker 3: That's the one off upfront cost? Oh yeah, I'd have

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Speaker 3: to go and break that down.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, was it roughly Was it roughly one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: No, it's probably more likely about sort of twenty or

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Speaker 3: thirty a year. No, no, that's for the twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: No way, twenty thirty grand for it. So one thousand

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Speaker 1: bucks a year roughly ballpark. Yes, okay, yeah, so four

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand dollars. I know we're not talking politics,

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Speaker 1: but I'm now, what do you get for the four sixty?

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Speaker 1: Is it a nice house? Big house?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big home. It's got four bedrooms, four bathrooms.

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Speaker 3: It's got a nice and ground pool. It's right up

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Speaker 3: in the valley, it's got natur al around. It looks

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Speaker 3: down across the Barley Sea and in two minutes down

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Speaker 3: to this beautiful little fishing village, and it's gorgeous. We

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Speaker 3: absolutely love it. It's our getaway. It's outscape and we've

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Speaker 3: and we had a family Christmas there this year. So

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Speaker 3: Sarah has always loved Ballei. I wasn't so much in

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Speaker 3: love with Ballei, but mainly because the tourist area to

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Speaker 3: me is a bit noisy personally for me. But we

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Speaker 3: found this very quiet, beautiful little place. Is another key

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Speaker 3: we up there. There's a key we couple that are

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Speaker 3: under place up there for about twenty five years. They've

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Speaker 3: got a beautiful little restaurant up there, so we've sort

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Speaker 3: of got to know them and started to get to

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Speaker 3: load and get to know the locals. They take spear

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Speaker 3: fishing with them, and it's just magic.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Listen, hold on, Jinny, have a swig of

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Speaker 1: your special juice and we'll come back with I'll try

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Speaker 1: and get onto politic. Come on, tell me that wasn't interesting.

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Speaker 1: Four sixty thousand for a four bedroom, four bathroom with

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Speaker 1: overlooking the bay. That's good real estate. Talk them, Ginny.

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Speaker 1: Do you think generally that the Labor Party and those

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Speaker 1: of you who are around during COVID read the report yesterday,

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Speaker 1: have been contrite enough in mending the damage if you like,

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Speaker 1: with the public who think they feel damage needs to

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Speaker 1: be mended.

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Speaker 2: I think it's incredibly important to acknowledge that so many

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Speaker 2: people were deeply impacted, to the point that people kind

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Speaker 2: of don't even want to talk about it because their

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Speaker 2: lives were so disrupted. So I think it's incredibly important

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Speaker 2: we continue to acknowledge how much disruption and really trauma

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Speaker 2: it caused right across New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel regret over some of the stuff you

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Speaker 1: guys did.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard in hindsight to be able to say this,

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Speaker 2: you know, should have done this way or that way.

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Speaker 2: So I mean the report generally found that our response

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Speaker 2: was pretty good. You know, I'm personally I'm grateful for

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Speaker 2: things like my dad. My dad's got preexisting health conditions.

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Speaker 2: If he had have got help, I don't think he'd

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Speaker 2: still be with us right now. He's a pretty awesome

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Speaker 2: grandad and I'm grateful that he's still around. So I

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Speaker 2: think there's many other countries who lost a lot of

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Speaker 2: their seniors, and so I think we did good in

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Speaker 2: terms of stopping so many people from losing their lives.

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Speaker 2: But of course these things we could have done better.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Mark, You guys went

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Speaker 1: to town on it yesterday in the house.

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Speaker 3: Well as having been an Auckland MP and being through it,

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Speaker 3: everyone felt an Auckland that we were locked down for

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Speaker 3: far too long. There has had a massive negative impact

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Speaker 3: on our kids, families, the adults, businesses. The thing that

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Speaker 3: really annoyed me is that everyone could accept a health

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Speaker 3: response in going off the advice from health officials. I

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Speaker 3: think most people accept that was the right thing to do,

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Speaker 3: but what appears to be in the report, it says

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Speaker 3: that Hitchens and are Doing and others jumped from a

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Speaker 3: health based decisions onto political decisions which meant a longer

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Speaker 3: lockdown for us and augnament was necessary and the worst

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Speaker 3: thing about it was disappearance making decisions around a mandated

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Speaker 1: Were that the thing. I don't know, Ginny. Should Bloomfield

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Speaker 1: front on that? That's that's a disgrace and it appears

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Speaker 1: to be on him, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the claims in the house yesterday would just categorically wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was where the happens get to saw it.

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Speaker 1: So except that he didn't get to see if the

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Speaker 1: advice wasn't passed on, that's on Bloomfield and Bloomfield needs

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Speaker 1: to front, doesn't he.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think health itself, whatever was going on in health,

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Speaker 2: that that information was there and was not presented to decisions.

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Speaker 1: But he is help help like that.

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Speaker 3: This is not just on Ashley Bloomfield. This is on

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Speaker 3: the minister. Like if I was the Minister of Health

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Speaker 3: and I was about to mandate and tell parents that

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Speaker 3: you have to get your twelve to eighteen year Olds,

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Speaker 3: a second Boosters, a rosteriand high cat artist. You as

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Speaker 3: the minister, you think the reassurances around that to make

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Speaker 3: sure that it's safe, so it's an easy copy out

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Speaker 3: to sort of point the finger at everyone else. You're

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Speaker 3: a minister for a reason, and I just don't think

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Speaker 3: these guys were either mature or experienced enough or trustworthy

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Speaker 3: enough in eindsight to start making political decisions rather than ones.

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Speaker 3: And it should be held to account.

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Speaker 2: On that commission themselves found that they should have put

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Speaker 2: into that information that was.

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Speaker 3: Asked for it.

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Speaker 1: Straight up and down. Yeah, I get it, Mark, I

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Speaker 1: get that part. But give them you did or didn't whatever.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't Bloomfield owe the nation and explanation as to why

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Speaker 1: that information wasn't passed on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that information definitely should have been passed on, There's

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Speaker 3: no doubt about that. But my point is that if

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Speaker 3: you're a minister and you're making those sort of decisions.

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Speaker 1: But Ginny Ashley Bloomfield, does he owe us an explanation

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Speaker 1: or can he move on with his life as well?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's difficult, depending what rollies are now.

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Speaker 1: Like at the time he was he was, he was

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Speaker 1: the man he was health. He was health.

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Speaker 2: I think he needs to be an explanation from health,

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Speaker 2: whether that's actually Bloomfield or the organization, but it's a

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Speaker 2: critical piece of information that they failed to provide at

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Speaker 2: the right time.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't know why you don't want to call

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Speaker 1: him out. It's like you're still arguing and defending yourself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like even front if he wants to.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Why are you calling him out? You guys take tremendous

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Speaker 1: heat out of this, and rightly so. And one of

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Speaker 1: the guys who is right there in the trenches with

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Speaker 1: you that you were relying on seemingly has let the

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Speaker 1: country down appallingly and he's nowhere to be seen.

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Speaker 2: I think the organization he's part of is the one

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Speaker 2: that we've got to think about if we want to

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Speaker 2: prevent this from happening again in the future. There's greater

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Speaker 2: benefit in saying what part is of that ministry now

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Speaker 2: or that organization isn't working, How do we fix that

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Speaker 2: so we're not in the same position in the next time.

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Speaker 2: He's a pandemic.

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