1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: And so let's have a look at the new pathways 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: to residency. It's for skilled migrants, as we told you yesterday, 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Kicks and Midgem. Basically, it's for people who are here 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: and have work experience or trades and tech background. New 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Zealand first play that agree to disagree cart of course. 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Erica Stanford is the Immigration minister. Anders back with this morning. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Good morning. 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: The announcements you made yesterday, so there's not a bunch 9 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of stuff to cover, but the anouncement you made specifically 10 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: on immigration yesterday. Is this driven by fear that people 11 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: will leave the. 12 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Country partly, but we've always had a really good, strong 13 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: residency program where people who are skilled and have the 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: knowledge and talent we need, we always have a residence 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: pathway for them, and we don't in this case because 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: of the settings of the previous government. And we've just 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: fixed that. 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: Okay, how many are we actually talking about it? We're 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: talking about thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: Oh, we're talking about relatively small amount. In the first year. 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: We will have it, probably a spike because we've had 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: our settings not right for the last few years. So 23 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: we think between about three and a half and seven 24 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: and half thousand, and then that will settle down after 25 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: a couple of years to about an average of about 26 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: four or five thousand. So we're not talking about a 27 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: huge amount of people, but extraordinarily valuable people to our economy. 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: You're talking about boat builders and refrigeration technicians and your 29 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: tradees and technicians, those sorts of people highly skilled. 30 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, when you say that, I don't want to 31 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: sound like a snob, but the medium wage at one 32 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: point one's I mean, these are not rocket scientists, are they. Yes, 33 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: they're useful, Yes we want them. I get that, But 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: you're not dealing at the top end. You're dealing with 35 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: people who do the fundamentals that you could argue in 36 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: another time in another place, we might find O wh 37 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't know in New Zealand to do that well. 38 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: And that is exactly what we want, which is why 39 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: I'm transforming and reforming the education system with vocational pathways 40 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: so that young people can work their way towards these 41 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: positions as well. But at the moment, we don't have them, 42 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: and we don't have anyone to train up our young people. 43 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: So it is a short term intervention to make sure 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: we've got the people on the ground running our businesses. 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: We can get export orders out the door, but also 46 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: train up New Zealand and children. And also, by the way, Mike, 47 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: when you you know you need a refrigeration expert to 48 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: come and fix something at your house, they're available. 49 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I fully get it. But Peter says 50 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: when the thirty percent, I thought you answered him very 51 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: well yesterday, and I think he's playing to his base. 52 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: But be that as it may, he talks about the 53 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: thirty percent. I mean, we have seen a remarkable transformation 54 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: in the ethnic makeup of this country in the last 55 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: echod or so haven't. 56 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: We, Or you could argue that we have for a 57 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: very long time. 58 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Is that good or not? 59 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: Well, I'm interested in people who can help drive our economy, 60 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 2: who are amazing entrepreneurs and philanthropists, or tradees and technicians 61 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: who we desperately need to help grow our economy. We 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: could say no to all of that and continue down 63 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 2: a different path, but I don't think that's the path 64 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: that anyone wants. If we want a good, strong, productive 65 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: economy and high wages. 66 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: As regards your change as and immigration, is this it? 67 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: Have we done all we can do. 68 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: I know there's a number of things still to come, 69 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: you know, may I like to get things done. A 70 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: lot of things is done, but I get held up 71 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: a bit in immigration because of the it changes that 72 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: are required for every change we make, which is very 73 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: frustrating and slow. So there are some more things to come. 74 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: We're working on a startup visa. We've got a lot 75 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: more work to do in the r C space for 76 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: those workers. So and then there's a whole bunch of 77 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: other stuff wich I haven't even got on to yet. 78 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we've got domestic violence issues with people on 79 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 2: those visas, culturally arranged marriages that that visa isn't a mess. 80 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: There's there's a range of things I've yet to do, 81 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: but we're just working through the list. 82 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Okay, when you talk startups, that's people coming to the country. 83 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: Is that not tied of the Golden visa sort of. 84 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: No, it's very it's very different. This is this is 85 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: think think amazing people, not just startups, but think you know, 86 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: amazing Olympic swimmers or Nobel Prize winners. You know, so 87 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: amazing people with incredible talents, people who want to come 88 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: here and make films or people who want to come 89 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: here and start a new venture, and we're just working 90 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: through the detail on how you work out who those 91 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: people are. It's just not an easy thing to. 92 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: Do, okay, and the RC you are going to be 93 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: more lenient with them and allow them to stay longer, 94 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: earn more, send back all of those sort of things 95 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: that we need. 96 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: There's a whole range of settings that the last government 97 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: had started doing a review on around whether or not 98 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: we have multiple entry visas for them rather than having 99 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: to come every single fill in a form every single year. 100 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: The way that they pay for their accommodation and how 101 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: much they pay and when they pay it that there's 102 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: a range of different things and can you share staff 103 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: between different companies and how easy that is. There's a 104 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: huge amount of things we have to get onto that. 105 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: Okay, put your education head on just quickly. There is 106 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: a claim from Abercrombie the bloke that they're having their 107 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: annual meeting and you were going to give a keynote 108 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: and now you're not and they're blaming you. So where 109 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: do we stand on that? What happened? 110 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I ended up something came up and that the 111 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 2: Prime Minister's Office gave me a date for the the 112 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: announcement that I had to make, and that meant I 113 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: had to be an aucklime, So that was the first thing. 114 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: But also I did get a letter from the Education 115 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: Department that said, Minister, we advise that now is not 116 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: the best time to do this because of the bargaining. 117 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Well, you go down there and give it to them, 118 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: just both barrels, do it Trump Trump, Then we'll just 119 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: get stuck into them and tell them to stop striking, 120 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: get on with work and get on with life and 121 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: this country needs help stick it right up. Then will 122 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I do that? 123 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: And I do that with Chris Abercrombie and he was 124 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: in my office just a couple of weeks ago. So 125 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: it's not that I don't talk to them or see 126 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: them and tell them exactly what I think. I do 127 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: that all of the time. But turning up to their 128 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: conference in the middle of bargaining, the ministry said it 129 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: wasn't a good idea, and I just took their advice. 130 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: We can't carry on. 131 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I go to everything, every single invite 132 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: I've ever had I turn up to. This is literally 133 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: the first time and it was on the advice of them. 134 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so four point three eight out of five. In 135 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: the mood of the boardroom, You're the number one. You're 136 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: the star of the show. You Prime Minister. 137 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: Next, Mike, I want to be the Education Minister for 138 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: the next ten years. I have got a lot of 139 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: unfinished business. We're in the middle of a reform. I 140 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: love this job. It's an absolute honor to be able 141 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: to do what I'm doing and support teachers in the 142 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: classroom and raise achievement. And I want to keep doing that. 143 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: The overall message in the report says you guys, not 144 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: necessarily you, but you guys are struggling and the patients 145 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: is wearing thin fair report or not. 146 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: Look, there's always room to improve, and I think one 147 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: of the takeouts from the small bit that I've read 148 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: this morning is we need to be better at listening. 149 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people out there, including 150 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: the top end of town, who want to help us. 151 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: They've got ideas, they've got suggestions, they want to be 152 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: in the tent and they're finding that hard. And look, 153 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: we need to take that on board, listen to it 154 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: and bring them in. 155 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 1: All right, appreciate your time. Ed to Education Immigration Minister 156 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: Erica Stanford at a score of four point three eight 157 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: out of five this morning number one ranking I've still 158 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: haven't worked out is I mean, technically a two point 159 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: five is a pass. Two point five out of five 160 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: is a pass. I say three because you want to 161 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: be seeing if you're running a three out of five 162 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: is a pass than fourteen of the twenty eight pass. 163 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: If you're running a two point five literally fifty percent, 164 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: then virtually everyone passes down to Casey Costello at twenty six. 165 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: So overall, the summation is that despite the fact that 166 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: we're at a quote inflection point and there's a lot 167 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: to worry about, this lot of doing reasonably well. For 168 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news 169 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the 170 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio