1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: In the House of Commons, the boat has been held. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: The speaker is Lindsay Hoyle. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: The question is that AMENDMENTE been made? Since when an 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: amendment to the Amendments has been proposed as follows that 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: amendments at the end of the ammente and which shall 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: instead be refer to the Intelligence and Security Committee in Parliament. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: The question is the amendment be made and proposed amendment 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: be made? As many of that opinion say, I ah, 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: the gold rid all, I think the eyes have it. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: The eyes have it. 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: So many amendments, so little time. Rod Little's with us, 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: morning mate. 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: Good morning. Did anyone understand what the hell Lindsey Coil 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: was talking about there? 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was funny because they all went 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: as though they didn't. I to speak now earlier on 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: before the boat, when I was watching it, before I 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: came to air Angela Rayner. So just to bring everybody 19 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: up to speed, this is Mendelssohn. Starmer admits he knew 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: of Mendelssohn's relationship with Epstein post conviction, and he says, 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: you'll release some paperwork around the appointment, minus the bits 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: and pieces he doesn't want to release into Angela Raine 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: from his own party who starts to cause trouble. So 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: how much trouble is Starmarin? 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: Massive trouble, Absolutely massive trouble. I mean, frankly, you know, 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Mikey's always in trouble, but he's in a lot of 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: trouble at the moment, and so is the government generally. 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: But so is Peter Mandelson and the establishment. You know, 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: it is rare for me to say this, but the 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 3: person who made the most sense at Prime Minister's questions 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: keneb and I was fine. But the person who made 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: the most sense was Jeremy Corbyn from the far left, 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: who said, do we really trust a committee of MPs 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: to look into this business? You know, we need an 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: independent investigation from the other side, Nigel Farage saying this 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: has got to be and he's already done this forwarded 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: to the European International Fraud Investigators, who will see what 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: criminal chilges there are to bring because. 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: This this, this this, it's the entire establishment, not just 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: Starmer that is on trial here, you know, And I 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: knew it, and I'd said to you, Mike, I remember 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 4: saying to you when he was appointed, well, what could 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: possibly go wrong? This is a man who is who 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: has lost his job on several previous occasions because of 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: his connections with rich people who give him money. And 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: that's that's what it is. That's what it is again, 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: it's a rich person who has given him money. 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: You know. The man is a he is a sponger 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: off the rich. He will affix himself to whichever rich 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: person is influential and who he thinks he might be 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: able to infasal his way into. And all this was known. 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: This was known by Sakir Starmer, it was known by 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Morgan McSweeney, and we all knew it in the country. 54 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: You know what could go wrong Mandelin, Which is a 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: very good point. So just to bring people here up 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: to be Mendelsohn effect resigned twice from government. And we 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: mustn't underplay the importance of the role he played over 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the years. He was right up there with all of them. 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: Just that alone. Forget the Epstein slash conviction and carrying 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: on afterwards. Just what you've outlined alone. How could Starmer 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: possibly then, and even more importantly now, explain what he 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: did my way of an appointment. 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: He can't. There is no explanation whatsoever. A far from 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: to say it was an appalling decision, as bad a 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: decision as any of this government has ever taken, including 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: the one to appoint David Lammier's foreign secretary. Incidentally, it 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: was an appalling decision. There is no excuse for it, 68 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: so he should just apologize. There is nothing else you 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: can do. He can do. It's but you know, beneath 70 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: all that, Mike, it does get us into the heart 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: of the establishment. The people like Mandelsson are championed and 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: tolerated because they have a sicker fantasy which enables them 73 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: to get on with powerful people, no matter what morals 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: those powerful people have. And in Mandelson's cases, people like 75 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 3: Olive Deripaska, the Russian olig arch, it's the Hinduja Brothers, 76 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: it's Bernie eccleston, it's Jeffrey Epstein. You know it is 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: it's a list of people who have lots of money 78 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: and some influence, but whose moral worth is mil. 79 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: How do you explain then, I mean, how do you 80 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: explain Andrew Because if you say Mandelss and it's money, 81 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: Andrew didn't need money because he's royal, how do you 82 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: explain him? I mean, is he just just like absolutely 83 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: pig sick? 84 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: He is you know, he just has no comprehension, no 85 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: self awareness, no understanding of the wider world. He has 86 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: for decades before the last three or four years gallivanted 87 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: around the world playing golf with fascists and Islamic theocrats 88 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: and whoever else he cares to play golf with, supposedly 89 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: in the service of the government, but none of it 90 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: counts for a hill of beans to as the honesty 91 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: is of absolutely no use whatsoever. And he's gone, and 92 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: I think, you know, he's going to be in more 93 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: trouble and will probably in the end be harassed into 94 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: going to Washington at some point to testify. But his 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: crimes are nothing as compared to those of mandelssoon No. 96 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: This is That's also a very good point, because what 97 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I've been looking for. I mean, do you remember the 98 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: started in Washington, and the Democrats are desperate to get 99 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: some sort of legal trouble for Trump, and so they've 100 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: got none of that. But Mandelssohn is real in part 101 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: that he will face unassuming charges. You can't pass on 102 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: what the stuff he passed on to the people he 103 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: passed on to without somebody asking a few questions in court, 104 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: can you. 105 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: No indeed, it's inside the dealing. You know, it's inside 106 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: the dealing of the most clear, transparent case. You know, 107 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: you cannot get away from it. And he did so 108 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: in order to ingratiate himself further with this very rich 109 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: man who persuaded, who provided him with people to massage 110 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: his feet when his feet were feeling a little bit sore, 111 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: and also to bun his boyfriend or husband as he 112 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: calls it, you know, four thousand quid a month for 113 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: some fatuous, so holistic business which is set up. You know, 114 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: there is it is an obscene abuse of power, and 115 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: you know, I feel incredibly strongly about it that there 116 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: are times, you know, Mike, we're both somewhere in the center, 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: but there are times when the far right is right, 118 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 3: and there are times when the far left is right. 119 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: And at this particular moment, the far left is right 120 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: about what's happened in the country with Mandlesome. 121 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: And so you have a great weekend, Mike. 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