1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions, 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile New Saw ZIBB. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: Seven Halfter five Yews Talk ZIBB. Trump's threats over Greenland 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: is not ruling out military action to take the Arctic island. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: But is this serious or is this bluster? Is a 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: negotiation tactic? He says tariffs are coming to his European allies, 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: some are worried NATO might be at risk of collapse. 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: And then there's a story about UTU for missing out 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: on the Nobel Peace Prize. US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley is 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: with us now. Jonathan, Welcome to the show. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: Ryan, A good afternoon, Good afternoon all the listeners. 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: So this whole let's start with the Nobel Peace Prize thing. 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: Is this a serious story or what? 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? This is quite extraordinary. I mean, well, we saw 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: the exchange, if you like, between story the leader of 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: Norway and President Trump today in which he essentially said, 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 3: and that is the US president that, considering your country, 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: having stopped eight wars, plus I no longer feel an 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: obligation to think purely of peace. Now. It's quite an 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 3: extraordinary remark to point in the direction of Norway that 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: essentially he is saying to them, you didn't give me 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: the peace Prize, so now I'm just going to take Greenland, 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: or at least try to. He's been increasing his serious 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: tone about wanting Greenland over the course of the last 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. I mean this started way back just 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: after he was inaugurating. He essentially said yeah, I want Greenland, 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: and everybody went, oh, okay, but you know how why 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: and really and now it's deadly serious, deadly serious, to 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: the point that you had the British Prime Minister se 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: Keir Starmer up today in an almost love actually moment, 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: trying to say to the US President back off. This 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: is a move for Greenlanders only, and for the Danes 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: because it is a Danish territory. But this exchange was 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: just extraordinary. 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so let's talk about what does he want? Why 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: is he doing it? He can send more troops in 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: there right now if he wanted to, but he's not. 41 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: Is that the minerals he's after. 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 3: It's entirely natural resources. I mean, he talks about it 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: and wanting to strategically because he says that there are 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: Chinese ships and Russian ships floating around. Well, I mean, 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: in a way, yes, Russian ships go into the Arctic 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: is a long long way from China. It's the other 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: side of the Arctic from China. But this is entirely 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: about resources. It's entirely Well, when his cabinet ministers say 49 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: it is strategic, it is strategic. But it's strategic from 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: the essence of critical minerals and natural resources that he 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: wants to be able to get access to. Some of 52 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: these resources are critical for the construction of missiles and 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: the bolstering of defense resources. So it's critical on that front. 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: But think of it too, that everything that Donald Trump 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: sees he sees through the lens of business, he sees 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: through the lens of growth, and he sees through the 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: lens of power. And in his idea, having greenland and 58 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: having its resources would bolster the US economy, would bolster 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: the US military, and would increase his own strength in 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: the world. And that's exactly why he is saying this, 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 3: and that's exactly why he's trying to make this move. 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 3: He's going to go to Davos, the World Economic Forum 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: in Switzerland tomorrow and will make a speech the day after, 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: and all of his visit he's going to be framed 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: entirely around what is he actually doing with Greenland and 66 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: what is he actually going to say to the European 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: leaders that he sees there, because they're telling him, and 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: they're pretty united on this, that they want him to 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: back down, to calm the language, to move back from it. 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: The European nations have been increasing their own military presence. 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: That's been part of his argument is that Europe should 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: be trying to bolster its own backyard and protect its 73 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: own backyard a little bit better. But for a huge 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: part of this for him is it is about getting 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: access to critical minerals and natural resources. 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Jonathan P. Shap that Jonathan Kurzley are us corresponding 77 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to 78 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: News Talks a B from four pm weekdays, or follow 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.