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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Drive with One, New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks V.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, the Public Service

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Speaker 2: Commissioner on the twist in the primary teachers pay dispute.

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Speaker 2: The Manufacturer's Association on the news that Heinz Watties is

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Speaker 2: cutting and cutting big time in New Zealand. And the

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Speaker 2: brisco Is boss Rod Duke on his results in whether

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Speaker 2: Iran has got him worried at all?

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we can quite accurately use the word

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Speaker 2: brilliant to describe the latest move from the government's man

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Speaker 2: in the primary teachers pay negotiations. So Brian Roach, the

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Speaker 2: Public Services Commissioner, has today gone around the union and

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Speaker 2: offered a pay increase of four point seven percent of

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Speaker 2: primary teachers who are not in the union the first

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Speaker 2: chunk of the pay rise if they agree to it.

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Speaker 2: The first chunk of the pay rise will kick in

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Speaker 2: in nineteen days and the next chunk will kick in

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Speaker 2: in January next year. Now this is clever because this

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Speaker 2: undermines the union because the union hasn't settled yet have

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Speaker 2: they For the last nine months, they have refused to

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Speaker 2: settle their pay agreement until the treaty is recognized in

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Speaker 2: the teachers contracts and until the government pays teachers more

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Speaker 2: for their overnight camp allowance. For God's sake, there must

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Speaker 2: be and I am basing this on the text traffic

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Speaker 2: that we get to this show, there must be huge

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Speaker 2: numbers of teachers growing increasingly frustrated with the union, getting

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Speaker 2: hung up on ideology over pay while they lose up

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Speaker 2: to seventy six dollars a week in income that they

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Speaker 2: are not getting because the negotiations are not wrapped up.

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Speaker 2: So the pressure is now on the NZDI big time,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, because feasibly these teachers who are members can

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Speaker 2: simply do what ten thousand of their colleagues have already done,

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Speaker 2: which is to either not join the union or leave

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Speaker 2: the union, and they can get their pay rise faster

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Speaker 2: without the union than with the union. Now, personally, I

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Speaker 2: love that this is happening because it became obvious to

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Speaker 2: me twenty years ago as a junior reporter at TV

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Speaker 2: back then, and what's happened since with unions is is

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Speaker 2: much worse because they are now actively holding up pay

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Speaker 2: negotiations for really stupid reasons. So brilliant move from the

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Speaker 2: Public Services Commissioner. Can't wait to see whether this forces

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Speaker 2: the union to wrap up the paytalks to save themselves

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Speaker 2: from an exodus of clever teachers together do for see

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Speaker 2: Ellen the text number, standard text fees apply and Brian

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Speaker 2: Roach is going to be with us after five. Now

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Speaker 2: it looks like the government moves to protect the leafy

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Speaker 2: suburbs in Auckland from densification may have actually backfired. So

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Speaker 2: it was a council meeting in Auckland yesterday and there

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Speaker 2: they voted to increase the densification or at least prefer

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Speaker 2: the densification in suburbs that are within ten kilometers of

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Speaker 2: the city center. Act Party leader David Seymour is with us. Now, Hi, David, hey,

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Speaker 2: is that you will read of the situation as well?

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Speaker 4: Not really, I mean you take a few steps back.

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Speaker 4: We had a situation where the entire city was going

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Speaker 4: to be densified at three three story homes per section

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Speaker 4: under the Labor National Deal. Of twenty twenty one, we

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Speaker 4: have been speaking for ACT campaigns and stopped that. We

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Speaker 4: then said, look, you can take it away, but you've

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Speaker 4: got to have the same number of housing density. They

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Speaker 4: showed us the maps of what that looked like. We said, no,

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Speaker 4: we're now taking it back to one point six million,

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Speaker 4: and we'd like them to show us what that looks like.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, you know, we will get rid of this

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Speaker 4: incursion into people's lives and suburbs because if we want

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Speaker 4: to build more houses, which I think we should, there

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Speaker 4: are many other problems besides having wars over the zoning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it looks to me like, tell me if

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Speaker 2: this is your understanding, because it is very hard sometimes

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Speaker 2: But my understanding is they passed a resolution yesterday in

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Speaker 2: which they put a pin in the city center, they

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Speaker 2: draw a circle ten case around it, and everything within

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Speaker 2: that is where the densification will be weighted to happen.

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Speaker 2: Is that great?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no no.

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Speaker 4: They've established a set of five principles and they're going

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Speaker 4: that will reach the one point six million capacity. That

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Speaker 4: the government is proposing to require by passing a parliamentary law.

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Speaker 4: Once I've done that and we get a sense of

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Speaker 4: what that looks like, then people will be able to

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Speaker 4: have their say. The submissions that have already been made

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Speaker 4: So they haven't made a decision that look ten kilometer

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Speaker 4: that will guide what they're going to do in order

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Speaker 2: And one of the principles is that the densification is

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Speaker 2: weighted to within the ten case, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Weighted is probably a good way of thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Which means that it's going to happen in epsom mate

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Speaker 2: before it happens in Pooka Koe.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you want to compare Epsom to pook A Koe, sure,

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Speaker 4: but there's a lot of other things you've got to

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Speaker 4: think about. For example, if you're going to have an

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Speaker 4: emphasis around train stations, you'll know poky better than me,

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Speaker 4: But I think it has access to trains and so

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Speaker 4: therefore you might get some densification there, whereas if you

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Speaker 4: don't have a train station and a part of EPSOM

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Speaker 4: you might not. So the point is that.

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Speaker 2: You have a lot of train stations and EPSOM don't you.

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Speaker 4: Well, we do, and you know, this whole thing is

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Speaker 4: a bit more complicated than being for or against intensification

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Speaker 4: and one electorate, for example, I'm on the record saying

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Speaker 4: we should have intensification where it makes sense, and train

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Speaker 6: Way to do that.

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Speaker 4: So if you look at the new Mangaphile station being developed,

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Speaker 4: I mean a huge amount of lands just being completely

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Speaker 4: cleared for the construction that will all be intensified, and

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Speaker 4: so it should be around what will become a very

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Speaker 4: as it's all going to be in your electric mate.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a long process. These plans won't

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Speaker 4: be finalized until well into next year. What I've done

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Speaker 4: is stop the three to three story thing and stop

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Speaker 4: the two million thing, and we'll keep going if we

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Speaker 4: don't get to a date with one.

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Speaker 2: It was argued to me by somebody who does understand

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Speaker 2: what is going on here quite deeply that the one

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Speaker 2: point six so you got rid of two million. Now

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Speaker 2: we've got one point six with a waiting towards the

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Speaker 2: ten k's around the city center that arguably, apparently is

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Speaker 2: worse for your electorate than two million just spread out

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Speaker 4: Well it depends on how they balance those five principles.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that could in theory be true. However, this

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Speaker 4: is why I've said all along, we've got to actually

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Speaker 4: see the plans. And then, by the way, I opposed

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, I wish we weren't here. But now

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Speaker 4: that Auckland is setting these these principles, sorry, now that

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Speaker 4: Wellington is setting these edicts like one point six million

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Speaker 4: And that's why I've said, you've got to give us

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Speaker 4: a description. So yeah, that person could in theory be correct.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying unfortunately, even though I hate Wellington interference

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Speaker 4: what the truth of that is. And that is what

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Speaker 4: the government has committed to. Well has asked the Council

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Speaker 4: for I hope that they're going to be civil and

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Speaker 4: which is what a council and a sort of mature

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Speaker 4: democracy should do, and then we'll have better answers to

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Speaker 4: your question. I wish I had them now, but like

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Speaker 4: I say, I also wish that Labor National hadn't gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, David, best of luck with it, and thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for your time. That's David sim Or, the

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Speaker 2: act party leader by the way, that I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what we've got Morris Williamson on the show in the huddle,

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Speaker 2: so stand by because he knows heaps about this and

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Speaker 2: ware we'll get him to clarify what he understands. That

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Speaker 2: council meeting yesterday, though, sounded like an absolute hope. So

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Speaker 2: there was a recidibus public submitter who basically kicked everything

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Speaker 2: off by playing a song from nineteen sixty two about

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Speaker 2: the development of tacky little houses. And then the counselors

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Speaker 2: started debating various motions. Well, I think they debated largely

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Speaker 2: this motion about the ten ks. Six hours into it,

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown's impatients got the better of him, and he

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Speaker 2: interrupted with a for f's sake, get on with it.

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Speaker 2: Christine Fletcher, who he aimed at, said she was used

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Speaker 2: to the mayor speaking to her with that language on

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Speaker 2: a regular basis. Counselor Josephine Bartley loves the intensification, she

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Speaker 2: pipes up, said without it she wouldn't have been able

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Speaker 2: to buy a house for her and her dog. Mike

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Speaker 2: Lee tries to vote one way on the thing, accidentally

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Speaker 2: votes the other way electronically. Richard Hills gets exasperated, says,

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Speaker 2: goddamn Daniel Newman jumps up quotes from the Book of Jeremiah.

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Speaker 2: For I know the plans I have for you, declares

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Speaker 2: the Lord, et cetera. Et cetera, then takes issue with

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Speaker 2: Richard Hills, blaspheming. Richard then apologizes for using God's name

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Speaker 2: in vain. Wayne Brown describes it as a long, terrible

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Speaker 2: the counselors that if they don't support the intensification plan,

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Speaker 2: He's going to come and build a three story building

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Speaker 2: right on your fence.

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Speaker 7: He says, Little buses on the hillside, little buck, It'll be.

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Speaker 2: Right see what I mean veritable party.

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Speaker 7: There's a green one man, a pink one and a

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Speaker 8: I don't actually, Oh my.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, as that young fellow plays in Northern districts and

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate, appreciate it. Darcy water Grove Sports Store, Coast.

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Speaker 12: COVID part two. You know what it says by now.

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Speaker 12: Initial response was fine, it went downhill from there. Kris Sipkins,

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Speaker 13: But I think for those who it is a major issue,

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Speaker 9: I think they will have locked in their view one

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Speaker 12: Did you actually make mistakes like straight up and down?

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Speaker 3: Black and white? I got that wrongs?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean if you look at that.

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Speaker 3: The day's newspeakers talk to Heather first here the duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of

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Speaker 1: satellite Mobile News Talk said, the.

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Speaker 2: Four twenty six very big news out of HEINZ. What

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Speaker 2: Also Gregg's Coffee also dips sold under the Mediterranean brand,

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Speaker 2: the Just Hummus brand, the Good Taste Company brand. They're

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Speaker 2: They are not talking today, they're talking tomorrow, they say.

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Speaker 2: Alan McDonald of the Manufacturer's Association will be with us

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Speaker 2: They all made and They all just the same.

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Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: How is it that frozen veggies can be grown, packaged

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Speaker 2: this is how I'm reading it. The company is proposing

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Speaker 2: Gregg's coffee. So anyway, we'll talk to Allan McDonald may

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Speaker 2: as well. A bit of a reshuffle from Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 2: reshuffle is Willow gene Prime. She's lost education now. She

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Speaker 2: and then we found out, well, she was attacking something

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Speaker 2: a shamozzle for her. Anyway, the portfolio now goes to

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Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson. Barry Soper will be with us on politics

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes. It's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: America says it's had sixteen mind laying Iranian ships after

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Speaker 2: Strait of Homus. Here's the White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt.

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Speaker 5: The stated objectives for Operation etpic Fury remain the same.

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Speaker 5: Destroy the terrorist regime's ballistic missiles, raise their Iranian missile

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Speaker 2: And of course, there's been more bombing in Tehran, with

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Speaker 16: Sometimes we felt like we're dying, but it was nearby.

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Speaker 14: Just a lot of bombing, a lot of fire, even

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Speaker 2: And finally, sports commentators Stephen A. Smith has ruled himself

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Speaker 2: out of the twenty twenty eight US presidential race. Stephen

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Speaker 2: A is best known for yelling and screaming on esp

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Speaker 1: His very first move as the executive was to Sylam Mottumn, who.

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Speaker 2: He also said earlier this year that he was keen

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're running, am I right? I don't

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Speaker 3: You don't, Yeah, you want to give them money? You

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Speaker 1: Let me put that presidential aspiration from If I have

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Speaker 1: to give up my money, it's not happening. International correspondence

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Speaker 2: Dan Listenson US correspondence with US.

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Speaker 11: Hello, Dan, Well, that's one last person I'll have to

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Speaker 11: talk about as we get closer to twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 2: I think it's wise for him to have dropped out. Hey,

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Speaker 2: how bad is the air travel and the delays with

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Speaker 11: It is terrible. If you're thinking of flying out of

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Speaker 11: you may want to think twice because there's this pose

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Speaker 11: means the TSA agents are not getting paid the people

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Speaker 11: or longer. And it's happening at an awful time heather

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Speaker 11: may have to find another way if they don't want

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Speaker 2: Think, hey, listen, what have they found by going into

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Speaker 11: Well, that's what we're trying to find out. Apparently included

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Speaker 11: it alleged that quotes somewhere in the hills outside of Zoro,

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Speaker 11: of Jeffrey. And now that allegation is unverified, but it's also,

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Speaker 11: I guess not clear to what extent it had been

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Speaker 11: the criminal investigation is now looking into possible illegal activities

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Speaker 11: twenty nineteen and he owned it.

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Speaker 2: Does it feel to you, I mean, I realized that

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Speaker 2: But it feels to me like we are taking absolutely

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Speaker 2: You know, like every email has the same way as

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Speaker 2: every other email, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I do.

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Speaker 11: And you keep thinking, well, Okay, something's going to come

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Speaker 11: of this. There's allegations, there's new batch that's going to

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Speaker 11: be dropped, and we're going to hear something that's really

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Speaker 11: solid and you can get your teeth around and then

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Speaker 11: you realize, well, this is just sort of hearsay again,

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Speaker 11: or this is something that they're looking into, or it's

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Speaker 11: something that we've talked about already, but to reopen the investigation.

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Speaker 11: So it seems like this has just been dragging on

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Speaker 11: awful long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much, Dan, appreciate your time as always.

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Speaker 2: Dane Mitchinson US correspondence twenty or what is it twenty

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Speaker 2: away from five?

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Speaker 3: Ever? Do for CLO Yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday my times were at like, at one stage I

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Speaker 2: said it was quarter past four and it was quarter

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Speaker 2: past six, And I feel like we're headed back into

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Speaker 2: that kind of territory with me again today. So I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to say to you, if keep it like half,

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Speaker 2: trust me with the times that I give you throughout

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Speaker 2: the course of this program. But if it sounds like

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Speaker 2: it's a wee bit off, don't panic and sort of

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Speaker 2: like go screaming out the door like I'm late for

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Speaker 2: the children. Just double check by looking at your wrist

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Speaker 2: being like, nuh, she got that one wrong again. It's

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Speaker 2: not two hours late to that. Just a warning because

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Speaker 2: yesterday was particularly bad. Now over in Australia, he has

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Speaker 2: an update from Australia for you. Matt Canavan has been

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Speaker 2: selected their Leader of the Nationals this morning on account

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Speaker 2: of David, the previous leader, having quit yesterday. He's from Queensland.

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Speaker 2: He gave his pitch to reporters. He said, we need

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Speaker 2: to have more more Australian everything. We need more Australian babies.

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Speaker 2: We need more Australian humor, more Australian jokes. We need

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Speaker 2: more Australian barbecues, sometimes often fueled by fossil fuels. We

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Speaker 2: need more Australian everything. We don't need to look overseas

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Speaker 2: for our solutions, which I feel like is going to

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Speaker 2: be popular. I feel like if you stand there in

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Speaker 2: any country and just say you need more of the

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Speaker 2: stuff that your country produces, including babies, it's smart strategy.

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Speaker 2: Smart strategy from Matt at the outset. Two more. Now

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Speaker 2: why I corrected Darcy's numbers on the Iranian football players

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Speaker 2: before is because two more defected overnight and stayed in Australia.

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Speaker 2: The rest have now flown home. Sydney morning Herald put

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Speaker 2: a reporter on the same flight as those ladies out

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Speaker 2: to Kuala Lumpur. Porter reckons that at the airport in Sydney,

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Speaker 2: while they were waiting, one more player was still considering

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Speaker 2: staying and this does match with what the Minister Burke

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Speaker 2: has been saying. One more player was considering it. They

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Speaker 2: were having last minute conversations with their family, presumably back

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Speaker 2: in Iran, as to whether they wanted to do it

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Speaker 2: or not. But in the end they got on the flight.

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Speaker 2: All women began to cry and embraced each other as

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Speaker 2: they were on their flight, finding their seats in economy class.

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Speaker 2: The journalists try to approach a bunch of them. They signaled.

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Speaker 2: In some cases they said, in some cases they couldn't

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Speaker 2: talk to her, gesturing to the chaperones who were also

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Speaker 2: on the flight. When they then landed in Kuala Lumpur,

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Speaker 2: they were escorted from their plane by an Iranian official

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Speaker 2: who met them at the airport and that was basically

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Speaker 2: the end of any chance of escape. Seventeen away from five, Barrisopa's.

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Speaker 1: Next politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments Sertaday.

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Speaker 2: Sir Brian Roach on what he's doing with the primary

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Speaker 2: teachers after five o'clock. I also got to get you

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Speaker 2: across the union response that threatening legal actions to stand

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Speaker 2: by for that. It's quarter to five and Barrisoper senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence with us Hi Barry. So what's Winston had

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Speaker 2: to say about the JAB.

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Speaker 17: Well, it's really interesting because Winston pitted himself against all

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Speaker 17: though with the Health Minister Sam and Brown in the

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Speaker 17: Parliament this afternoon. It concerns the twelve to seventeen year

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Speaker 17: olds and that was one of the big revelations in

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Speaker 17: the COVID inquiry yesterday that the Health Ministry of Health

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Speaker 17: were warned that there was an increased danger of myo

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Speaker 17: charditis for kids under seventeen and yet that was never

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Speaker 17: passed on to the public. Now, Peter said the revelation

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Speaker 17: that this advice wasn't shed with the public warranted further

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Speaker 17: investigation and he would like to see a select committee

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Speaker 17: having a look at that, which could be the case.

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Speaker 17: But what do you do at the end say somebody

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Speaker 17: failed and somebody did. The public certainly didn't know the risk. Yesterday,

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Speaker 17: Winston Peters says they were screaming out in the house

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Speaker 17: that both are Cheverril and Chris Hipkins, that they didn't know.

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Speaker 17: They just and he said he proved in the House

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Speaker 17: this afternoon that they were telling Porky's Peter's questions questioned

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Speaker 17: the Health Minister Simon Brown about Simon Brown about it

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Speaker 17: about the two mandates staying in place even though the

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Speaker 17: ministers or warned their danger for the.

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Speaker 18: Young yea they did two dose vaccine mandates remain in

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Speaker 18: place for twelve to seven year olds, despite former Minister's

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Speaker 18: Crucificins and Alzeberral having vented vives of concerns about mandating

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Speaker 18: the COVID nineteen double dose vaccine for this age group.

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Speaker 19: Mister speaker, yes, I'm advised the vaccine mandates in workplace

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Speaker 19: settings for the age group remained in place until late

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Speaker 19: January twenty twenty two, and that COVID nineteen vaccine certificate

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Speaker 19: requirements for this age group remained in place until April

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Speaker 19: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 17: But as it turns out, I actually went to try

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Speaker 17: and find out how many kids under the age of

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Speaker 17: seventeen got my cardolotis as a result of taking the vaccine.

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Speaker 17: It would seem maybe twenty got it and parents should

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Speaker 17: have been informed, There's no doubt about that. And if

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Speaker 17: veryl and Hipkins had the information, they most certainly should

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Speaker 17: have made that public.

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Speaker 2: So then the ministry should have because if you remember

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Speaker 2: at the time.

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Speaker 17: Don't say the ministry did hand on the material to

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Speaker 17: the public to the ministers, but the ministers never made

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Speaker 17: it public.

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Speaker 2: Somebody should have made it public though, because if you remember.

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Speaker 17: The pou have made it public.

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Speaker 2: There were real concerns from a small group of people

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Speaker 2: in this country about taking the vaccine, and Jacinda kept

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Speaker 2: on saying it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe,

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Speaker 2: it's safe. Right now, what we find out is actually

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Speaker 2: they knew it wasn't safe to take two doses for

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Speaker 2: young people. I feel like there is a group of

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Speaker 2: people who are actually owed an apology by the rest

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Speaker 2: of us. We called them conspiracy theorists and belittled them,

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Speaker 2: and in the end they've actually been proven to be

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Speaker 2: at least partially right. And as far as their allegations

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Speaker 2: that they were that that the information they were being

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Speaker 2: given was not the complete truth, they have been proven right.

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Speaker 17: Yes, well indeed, and you know the fact that even

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Speaker 17: a handful of people got mo chodeis is an indictment

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Speaker 17: certainly on the government that was handling the whole COVID response.

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Speaker 2: Now in New Zealand's back in the center of the debate,

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Speaker 2: aren't they.

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Speaker 17: Well, yes, there's there's the debate and the ayses when

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Speaker 17: the airline goes through a tough time that you know

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Speaker 17: that appalling result it had losing so much money in

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Speaker 17: the six months. Essentially, Winston Peters, he's completely ruled out

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Speaker 17: a call by David Seymour to privatize the airline. It's

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Speaker 17: been done before, and of course it was brought back

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Speaker 17: by the government. The point that Winston Peters made because

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Speaker 17: he hates public assets being sold, he said they should

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Speaker 17: never be sold the shares. He said, basically the airline

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Speaker 17: was a critical utility for a country like New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: It's our face to the rest of the world and.

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that.

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Speaker 17: I mean, every country should have a national airline and

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Speaker 17: you know the quoru on the wings and what have you.

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Speaker 17: That is New Zealand. And I've got to say, having

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Speaker 17: traveled frequently abroad seeing Air New Zealand planes sitting on

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Speaker 17: the tarmac overseas, it fills me with a bit of

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Speaker 17: price that here we are there.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you think of Brian Roach's move? Very clever,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? Isn't it?

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Speaker 17: It's very clever. And I see the unions talking about

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Speaker 17: taking legal action and they may have an avenue there

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Speaker 17: because there is a collective agreement covering teachers, but those

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Speaker 17: outside the collective agreement I think that's about ten thousand

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Speaker 17: primary teachers. They are not part of the union. Therefore,

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Speaker 17: Brian Roach, and he's really taken his job very seriously

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Speaker 17: because public service commissioners normally aren't aren't in the firing

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Speaker 17: line of negotiating pay settlements. You normally have the heads

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Speaker 17: of departments that do it with the union.

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Speaker 2: He took that role over last year though, and may remember.

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Speaker 17: Yes, and very much so. I mean to talk about

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Speaker 17: must be a headache for him doing this job. But look,

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Speaker 17: he's he's certainly attempting to undermine the power of the union.

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Speaker 17: There's no doubt about that, and I know you're going

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Speaker 17: to be talking to them, but it is a very

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Speaker 17: shrewd move because it says to ten thousand teachers you

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Speaker 17: can be paid an additional I think it's about seventy

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Speaker 17: seventy sixty or seventy bucks fifty to seventy six dollars

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Speaker 17: a week now within a few weeks, whereas the rest

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Speaker 17: of them because they want the treaty recognized in the

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Speaker 17: pay agreement, which is patently absurd. And I'm sure there's

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Speaker 17: many trade union teachers that would find that absurd as well.

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Speaker 17: And just to your point in your introduction, Heather, that

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Speaker 17: trade unions, I mean I was a member of a

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Speaker 17: trade union, the Journalists Union, for many years when I

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Speaker 17: was younger. In fact, I was an official in the

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Speaker 17: trade union.

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Speaker 2: Got out of it.

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Speaker 17: No, I am absolutely proud of it because we have

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Speaker 17: pain conditions that journalists. When I started many years ago,

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Speaker 17: they were very very poorly and we were related to janitors.

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Speaker 2: And in terms, is it that much different now?

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Speaker 17: Yes, it is. I think journalists are much better paid.

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Speaker 2: Well, Barry So I see I was looking at Radio

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Speaker 2: New Zealand today they've got a headline just into Ardurn

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Speaker 2: among the star studed Auckland Writers' Festival lineup. Why aren't

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Speaker 2: you in the headline, Barry? Why is radio news? Why

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Speaker 2: did they not say Barry soaper studied Auckland Writers' Festival

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Speaker 2: line up?

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Speaker 17: I think the answer to that one is quite obviously

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Speaker 17: act I don't want.

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Speaker 2: To drive people away from the festival. Barry. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, Barry so for senior political correspondent, eight away

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Speaker 2: from five. Here the thank you was one of the

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Speaker 2: people who had concerns about the JAB and who stuck

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Speaker 2: to my guns with our children and treated very badly

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Speaker 2: because of this. It means a great deal. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, what does it matter what I think?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think that. I think I think

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Speaker 2: I might have to go and see the little vaccine

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Speaker 2: hesitant people in my family and say that they may

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Speaker 2: have had a point, and I apologize for for not

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Speaker 2: maybe paying enough attention to what they were saying, or

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Speaker 2: just being a bit of a dick to them about it.

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Speaker 2: They were right in the end. Now, sick leave, there

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Speaker 2: is some there is a suggestion that what we need

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Speaker 2: to do with sick I don't know how much sick

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Speaker 2: leave do weget now is it ten days? Is it

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Speaker 2: ten days? A? Yeah, it is ten days, isn't it?

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 2: Apparently what we need to be able to do is

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Speaker 2: a crue it so that it just builds up and

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Speaker 2: builds up and builds up. If you don't take it

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Speaker 2: all in one year, then next year you carry it over,

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Speaker 2: and you carry it over and carry it over, so

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Speaker 2: one day you can take I don't know, a year's

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Speaker 2: worth of sick leave. I don't love this idea, don't

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Speaker 2: love it at all for obvious reasons. I can just

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Speaker 2: see how that's going to get gamed. But Paula loves it.

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Speaker 2: Paula Okaine, who is an expert in this, and she's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us in about quarter past five

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Speaker 2: and talk us through it just on Air New Zealand

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Speaker 2: really quickly. I see a couple of regions in the

659
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Speaker 2: last couple of days have got quite nervous about Air

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Speaker 2: New Zealand cutting flights to those regions, Taranaki and Nelson

661
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Speaker 2: in particular. Now I'm not entirely sure what it is

662
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Speaker 2: because I've gone back and looked at all the official

663
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Speaker 2: statements from New Zealand. This is speculation from third party

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Speaker 2: commentators on this however, and I'm not sure exactly what

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Speaker 2: it is they getting worked up about, but they may

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Speaker 2: have a point. Yet, I think Nelson is more at

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Speaker 2: risk than Tartanaki because Nelson there is another airline that

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Speaker 2: flies to Nelson. It sounds there. I can't see another

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Speaker 2: one flying to Tartanaki that I'm aware of. And if

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Speaker 2: you remember what I said the other week, is that

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Speaker 2: I think in New Zealand may be looking to cut

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Speaker 2: some roots potentially where there are other carriers. That's the

673
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Speaker 2: vibe I'm getting. If there's another carrier, kind of like

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Speaker 2: that interline relationship they have with the air Chathams for

675
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Speaker 2: Fakatane where they can chuck bags on and the air

676
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Speaker 2: Chathams takes it on, I think that may be an

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Speaker 2: option for them. Anyway, we're going to talk to the CEO,

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Speaker 2: Nicol Ravashanki. He'll be of us tomorrow. We'll have a

679
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Speaker 2: chat to him about it and see whether there's something

680
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Speaker 2: to it. But next up, let's talk to Brian Roach

681
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Speaker 2: about this tricky and clever little move he's pulled in

682
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Speaker 2: the primary teachers pay negotiations newstoksvs.

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Speaker 1: For you person over again, dressing the newsmakers to get

684
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Speaker 1: the real story. It's Heather Duplzl and drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand to coverage like no one else news doorg ZV.

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Speaker 16: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: We have a new development for you in the primary

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Speaker 2: teachers pay negotiations. The government's man has now decided to

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Speaker 2: offer the same pay deal to teachers who are not

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Speaker 2: in the union. It's four point seven percent and pay

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Speaker 2: increases in the next twelve months. Now the union was

692
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Speaker 2: scheduled to come on the show in half an hour's time.

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Speaker 2: They have just pulled out. Sir Brian Roach is the

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Speaker 2: Public Service Commissioner and with us afternoon.

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Speaker 14: Brian, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Why have you made this offer to the non union.

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Speaker 14: Teachers because there are ten thousand non unionized teachers who

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Speaker 14: have been deprived of a settlement. In the normal course

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Speaker 14: of events, we would have kept going with the NZDI,

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Speaker 14: and we are still keeping going with them, but I

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Speaker 14: got to the point where I could no longer justify

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Speaker 14: with holding an offer. So they the non union members

703
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Speaker 14: have the option now of accepting or not accepting. I

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Speaker 14: don't think it impacts at all on our good faith

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Speaker 14: bargaining and our strong commitment to reach a settlement with NZDI.

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Speaker 2: Is it lawful, of course.

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Speaker 14: But it is risky, and that's playing out now that

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Speaker 14: this is a question of equity. Why would somebody who's

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Speaker 14: not in the union be deprived of being able to

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Speaker 14: benefit from something they're under no obligation to accept it.

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Speaker 14: I fully respect that, But ten thousand people, where I

712
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Speaker 14: can make their lives better and get greater stability, is

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Speaker 14: worth doing.

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Speaker 2: You may not have an answer to this question, but

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Speaker 2: the nzdeye says it's going to file urgent legal action.

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Speaker 2: What would that be?

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Speaker 14: I think they worth talking about an injunction to stop

718
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Speaker 14: me doing this. I'm not aware of it. I mean

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Speaker 14: we did this after careful consideration and on the basis

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Speaker 14: of equity between two categories of teachers, the unionized group,

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Speaker 14: and we're fully engaged with them and the non unionized group.

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Speaker 14: The two are separate and distinct, and that's how I

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Speaker 14: view them.

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Speaker 2: Is this the first time a public service commissioner has

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Speaker 2: made an offer this publicly and this widely to non

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Speaker 2: union members.

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Speaker 14: I think it may be the first, but that as

728
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Speaker 14: it motivated me. I think it's the right thing to

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Speaker 14: do in the circumstances I face, and I remain committed

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Speaker 14: to reaching a settlement with all teachers, and we have

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Speaker 14: done well today and we've still got nz EI to do.

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Speaker 2: Do you imagine that it will put pressure on them

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Speaker 2: to wrap up their negotiations.

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Speaker 14: We've been putting pressure on them anyway. I mean, that's

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Speaker 14: the matter for them to determine with their members what

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Speaker 14: they do next.

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Speaker 13: I respect that now.

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Speaker 2: We spoke to Liam Rutherford of the NZDI not long ago,

739
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Speaker 2: maybe in earlier this week, maybe late last week, and

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Speaker 2: they sounded like they were going soft on this business

741
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Speaker 2: of wanting the treaty reflected in the contracts. Have they

742
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Speaker 2: rolled over on that one yet?

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Speaker 14: They haven't, but it has not become It's not as

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Speaker 14: prevalent as it once was, and you know that's been

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Speaker 14: part of the frustration. We have been trying to bargain

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Speaker 14: for the best part of five or six months. In

747
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Speaker 14: the normal course of events, we would have reached the

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Speaker 14: settlement by now and non union members would have benefitted.

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Speaker 14: We haven't been done to reach a settlement with the union,

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Speaker 14: so I can't see why we shouldn't move to the

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Speaker 14: non union members.

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Speaker 2: Brian, thank you for your time and best of luck

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Speaker 2: with it, Sir, Brian wrote to the Public Service Commission,

754
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Speaker 2: it's ten past five. They so big news from Heinz

755
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: what he's today? The companies announced it will stop selling

756
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: frozen vegetables, Gregg's Coffee and a range of brand dip

757
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Speaker 2: brands in New Zealand. They will shut three manufacturing facilities.

758
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Speaker 2: They are in Auckland, christ Church in Dunedin and the

759
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Speaker 2: packing plant and Hastings is also on the chopping block now.

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Speaker 2: Alan McDonald is the head of Advocacy and Strategy for

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Speaker 2: the Employers and Manufacturers Association and with us Hi Allen, Hey,

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Speaker 2: why have they made this call?

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Speaker 6: Well, I've only seen the press release like you, and

764
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Speaker 6: they cite inputs as one of the big causes of

765
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Speaker 6: them making this very tough decision, which is very hard

766
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Speaker 6: for those three hundred and fifty odd.

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Speaker 9: People festival.

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Speaker 6: And inputs in that and that manufacturing that will be

769
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Speaker 6: getting their raw materials, that will be paying for their

770
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Speaker 6: energy and frozen foods. You need a lot of electricity

771
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Speaker 6: and energy to first chill them and instare them, and

772
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Speaker 6: there'll be stuff like plant and machinery and waste cost

773
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Speaker 6: all that the average ways cost them. The last year's

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Speaker 6: been down about the two point one two point two percent,

775
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Speaker 6: So it'll be some combination of maybe all of those

776
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Speaker 6: or some of those that's led to them making this

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Speaker 6: very tough decision.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm taking from the fact that you've only

779
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Speaker 2: read the press release. No one talked to you. You

780
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Speaker 2: didn't see this coming, This wasn't widely known.

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Speaker 6: No hadly known. Yeah, so that's it is a bit

782
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Speaker 6: of a surprise. But I don't think it'll be the

783
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Speaker 6: last of these sorts of things we're going to see

784
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Speaker 6: this year.

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Speaker 2: This year you think.

786
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there'd be more. Some of them won't

787
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Speaker 6: be as high profile obviously as heinz Waddy, which is

788
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Speaker 6: a brand that's been in New Zealand for a very

789
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Speaker 6: long time. We keep hearing rumblings of others getting ready

790
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Speaker 6: to exit, significant size manufacturers as well as small ones.

791
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Speaker 6: So you know, the industrialization has been happening or two

792
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 6: prompted by some very high electricity tracy prices or slighted

793
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 6: as being prompted by those prices, so you know it

794
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Speaker 6: won't be a supposed to see more.

795
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Allen.

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Speaker 2: The thing is, though, I thought, I mean, sure, we've

797
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: had we've had problems with the electricity prices. We absolutely have,

798
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Speaker 2: but I thought for the for the most part, we

799
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Speaker 2: had got through that that was a last year's story.

800
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Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

801
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Speaker 6: Yes, they're still going up.

802
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Speaker 11: You know.

803
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Speaker 6: So the lines companies, for example, they are on a

804
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Speaker 6: cycle when they can increase their prices, and that's just

805
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 6: started for now. The dams are full, and that's good,

806
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 6: so that might keep a stable level, but they're not

807
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: dropping back, and they forecast to go up even even

808
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 6: when we get the new LNG plant, if we get

809
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 6: it and if we use it, they're still going up.

810
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Speaker 2: All right, Ellen, thank you very much. I do appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. That's Ellen McDonald Employers and Manufacturers Association, head

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: of that because he and strategy right now or thirteen

813
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Speaker 2: past five, Heather due for ce Allen, whether I prefer

814
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: the term fortune teller as opposed to conspiracy theorist. Well,

815
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: in this case, you may be right. I got a

816
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: new pole for you. And what Americans think of the

817
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: war in Iran, and basically what it is is it's

818
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: divided along party line. So according to the Quinnipac University poll,

819
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Speaker 2: fifty three percent. It's I mean, it's a majority of voters.

820
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: It's not a huge majority. It's fifty three percent of

821
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: voters are against the military action in Iran, forty percent supported,

822
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: and the rest are kind of undecided, not really sure.

823
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: But if you have a look a long party lines,

824
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear what's going on. Democrats eighty nine percent

825
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: against the war, eighty five percent of Republicans back it,

826
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Speaker 2: So minds are made up before the thing even started.

827
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Speaker 2: Fourteen past five. Now, this would have to be one

828
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Speaker 2: of the most incredible jaw dropping winery clearance deals of

829
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: the past few months. I'm going to cut to the

830
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Speaker 2: chase here. What we're talking about tonight is a top

831
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Speaker 2: quality hawks Bay red wine for twelve ninety nine, twelve

832
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Speaker 2: ninety nine. It wasn't supposed to sell for twelve ninety nine,

833
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: but tough domestic and global trading conditions mean the difficult

834
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: decision was made by the wine rey to just drop

835
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Speaker 2: that price right down. It's available right now at the

836
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Speaker 2: Goodwine Co. And their website is the Goodwine dot Co

837
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Speaker 2: dot NZ, So get on there right now. And the

838
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Speaker 2: wine that we're talking about tonight is called Couvar Iris

839
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Speaker 2: hawks Bay Merlow Cabinet twenty twenty two. Now, this is

840
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Speaker 2: a multi award winning high quality red blend of Merlow

841
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: and Cabinet Fronc, predominantly using fruit from a world famous

842
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: subregion of Hawks Bay. And it's just twelve ninety nine

843
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Speaker 2: per bottle and you're getting a seriously good red for

844
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Speaker 2: that price. Order online right now, you're going to pay

845
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: just one dollar per case delivery to your door anywhere

846
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, conditions apply. Doesn't get much better than this.

847
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: You can do the online right now at the Goodwine

848
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: dot co dot Nz, or you can give them a

849
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: call eight hundred double six two, double six to two.

850
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Heather dup Seela, Heather, don't freak out too much. We

851
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: are just maturing and our labor rates right now are

852
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: so high that we're not just labour like that anymore.

853
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: And our country is more about innovation and technology and

854
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: we're putting them putting stuff in boxes and pulling it

855
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: out of the ground. That's from MIC and that's a

856
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: very positive way of looking at shut down of the

857
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: manufacturing eighteen past five now and academic reckons. The government

858
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: has missed the chance to improve our laws around sick leave.

859
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: So there's a bill before Parliament at the moment that's

860
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: intended to bring the two thousand and three Holidays Act

861
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: up to date with the modern working environment, but it

862
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: doesn't significantly change the way we deal with sick leaf.

863
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Associate Professor Paula Okaine from Otago University's Business schoolers with

864
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Speaker 2: US high Paula Kyodo, Hey, so do you reckon we

865
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: should be able to accrue the sick leave, have it

866
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Speaker 2: roll over the unused sick leave year of year after year.

867
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Speaker 20: Yes, absolutely. I think if we could allow that sick

868
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Speaker 20: leave to accrue and actually a crue when you move

869
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Speaker 20: jobs as well, so create more of a centralized system.

870
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Speaker 20: You would give people access to better sick leave. You

871
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 20: might discourage misuse of sick leave, and when people are

872
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 20: actually sick for a longer period of time, they're better covered.

873
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 20: So it would really help to deal with issues around

874
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Speaker 20: people with long term illness, for example, and those who

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Speaker 20: move jobs quite.

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Speaker 2: A lot a crew to what how high could you

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Speaker 2: take it before it can so, I.

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Speaker 20: Mean potentially you'd want to put a limit of a

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Speaker 20: year or something like that on it, but yeah, it

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Speaker 20: could be as much as that, and at ten days

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Speaker 20: occurring a year, you're probably at what's that maybe twenty

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Speaker 20: years before you'd have a full crule of working days.

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Speaker 2: Do you know, I think people will take the mickey

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Speaker 2: where they will. They'll get to a certain point where

885
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Speaker 2: they've got a fair amount. Maybe they're thinking of leaving

886
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: the job start sort of faking the sicknesses.

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Speaker 20: I think that would be really difficult with long term

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Speaker 20: sick I can get it for a day or two,

889
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Speaker 20: but I think if you're actually properly long term sick,

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Speaker 20: you need very good evidence for that. So actually probably

891
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Speaker 20: takes away some of that ticking the mickey.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And do you think we need different types of

893
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: sick leave as well?

894
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Speaker 20: I think we need good sick leave. I think in

895
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Speaker 20: most countries it covers off the different types of leave,

896
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Speaker 20: whether you're caring for people, or caring for children, or

897
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Speaker 20: caring for older people. And if we create that a cruel,

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Speaker 20: we actually give people more in the long run, hopefully

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Speaker 20: because they've got those days that follow over. So I'm

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Speaker 20: not sure that we need different types, but I think

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Speaker 20: if we had that a cruel, it would make it fairer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Paula, thank you very much. By the way, have

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Speaker 2: you calculated how much this might cost?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 20: I have not done that. But it may also reduce

906
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Speaker 20: some of the costs for the government in relation to

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Speaker 20: support it, living payments and so on. So I'd say

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Speaker 20: there's a good thing to do for the economic economists

909
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Speaker 20: sit there to really look at how much it might cost.

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00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 20: But it would be the employer's paying ten days a

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Speaker 20: year every year, regardless of fellows on the text that's said,

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Speaker 20: cleever or.

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Speaker 2: Not right, PAULA, thanks very much, appreciate. Paul okay, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Associate professor at Otaga University Business School. First text on it.

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Speaker 2: Who's paying for this? You know who's paying for this.

916
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Speaker 2: You're paying for this. You're the employer. My boss is

917
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Speaker 2: paying for this. He didn't want to pay for this,

918
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: all right. This is the unions. What happened with the union?

919
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: What happened with the union? I was like I said

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00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: to the boss before, I was like, great, okay, just

921
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Speaker 2: to confirm unions still with us. Five thirty Oh no, sorry,

922
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Speaker 2: I for we got to tell you. Union's pulled out.

923
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Speaker 2: Union's been like this all day. Union's been like the

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Speaker 2: stock market and the oil price after an air strike,

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Speaker 2: up and down, up and down. First they were like,

926
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Speaker 2: now we can't come on, Then we can come on.

927
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Speaker 2: Now we're pulled out a coming on. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what their problem is, and it would at least I've

929
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Speaker 2: got a statement so I can read you what they're

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Speaker 2: planning to do and what they think about. This government

931
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Speaker 2: attacks teachers and their collective decision to fight for what

932
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Speaker 2: they're worth from the NZDI terror Roa not happy. The

933
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Speaker 2: move is a deliberate and serious breach of good faith

934
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Speaker 2: and would undermine teachers collective bargaining. He said, Who's he Rutherford?

935
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Speaker 2: Liam Rutherford. He said n z EI terr Uroa would

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Speaker 2: file urgent legal action and ask the Public Service Commission

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Speaker 2: to meet and discuss its proposal with the union. First, Well,

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Speaker 2: you've been meeting and discussing since by my telling, June

939
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Speaker 2: last year. So anyway, I'm looking for I love it.

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Speaker 2: As I said at the start of the program, I'm

941
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Speaker 2: quite keen to see what the huddle think about. This's

942
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Speaker 2: got Jack Tamer Morris Williamson with us shortly five twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Heather on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home. It's Heather duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand end of Power, a

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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news.

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Speaker 2: Talk said be government's been unable to overturn the band

948
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Speaker 2: on the live animal experts took it to Cabinet co

949
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Speaker 2: and get Act in New Zealand first to agree to it.

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Speaker 2: So as a result, it's not going to happen. We'll

951
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Speaker 2: talk to federated farmers about that in about twelve minutes.

952
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: Right now it's five twenty four, so I'm thinking the

953
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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank must have realized by now that they're going

954
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Speaker 2: to lose the the cash access debate because John Key

955
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Speaker 2: has just weighed in.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think John Key weighing in is the thing

958
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Speaker 2: that kills it, because it's actually a nutty and expensive

959
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: idea already. But I don't think it helps that he's

960
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Speaker 2: weighed in because he knows what he's talking about, because

961
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Speaker 2: he was the chair of A and Z in New Zealand,

962
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: and he's taken a potshot at the Reserve Bank here

963
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: for wanting to force the retail banks to set up

964
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Speaker 2: ATMs in rural areas. He says the reason that the

965
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Speaker 2: banks have shut down the branches and the ATMs is

966
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Speaker 2: because it reflects what the customers are wanting and doing. Quote,

967
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Speaker 2: they don't want to go into a branch, they don't

968
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: want to have anything to do anything other than pick

969
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: up their phone or log into their laptop. Now tell

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Speaker 2: me he's wrong. For the most of us, tell me

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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: he's wrong. I mean, it's a really nice idea. It's

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Speaker 2: a popular idea because it is nice to think that

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Speaker 2: we'd all be able to go and access cash easily

974
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Speaker 2: wherever we are in the country, whenever we want. But

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Speaker 2: how many times have you really used a branch or

976
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: an ATM in the last year. I was thinking about

977
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Speaker 2: other once. I reckon it's once in the last year,

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Speaker 2: and it was actually last weekend because I had to

979
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Speaker 2: get two hundred and fifty dollars out for a bouncy castle.

980
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Speaker 2: But before that, in the twelve months leading it not

981
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Speaker 2: not once. So while I love having an ATM within

982
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Speaker 2: a k of the house, I actually don't need it

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Speaker 2: for a once in the year withdrawal plus, doing this

984
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Speaker 2: is not without cost r It's not free. The proposal's

985
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Speaker 2: going to force banks to set up maybe three thousand

986
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: new ATMs. That's a huge number. That's gonna cost them

987
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and four million dollars a year. They're not

988
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: gonna pay for it. You're gonna pay for it. I'm

989
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: gonna pay for it split between five million of us.

990
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Speaker 2: That's twenty dollars each of us would have to pay

991
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: every single year just to make sure that everybody can

992
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: get their bouncy castle money once a year when they

993
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Speaker 2: need it. Now. I don't blame the Reserve Bank governor

994
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: the new one for this idea. I think this was

995
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: in trained before she arrived. But this is a case

996
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Speaker 2: of the Reserve Bank straying out of its lane, which

997
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Speaker 2: it has a propensity to do, and whether she shuts

998
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: this down or not as her first real test of

999
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: how much she wants to preside over a distracted reserve bank.

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Speaker 2: Either way, I think we all know this idea is

1001
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: so expensive and now faces enough significant, significant enough opposition

1002
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: that I think it has to be scaled down or killed.

1003
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Speaker 2: Heather due for ce Allen Heather, OMG. This academic has

1004
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: obviously never employed staff and paid for it out of

1005
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: her own pocket. Who is ever going to employ someone

1006
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: who has accrued three hundred and sixty five days of

1007
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: leave and then transfers that with them when you employ them?

1008
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: If you think about it, so, it's basically anybody. It

1009
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: would be anybody in the workforce for twenty years, So

1010
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: pretty much if you start in the workforce, I don't know,

1011
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: let's say eighteen. By the time you hit this, any

1012
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: employee over thirty eight, we'll have a year's worth of

1013
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: sick leave. Right, you're gonna employ them? Oh, I'm not

1014
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: going to employ what that's of course, that's a crazy idea.

1015
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen here the business owner here, When

1016
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Speaker 2: are academic's gonna stop trying to bankrupt every small and

1017
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: medium enterprise in New Zealand. Heather, look on the bright

1018
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: side of hinz what he's shutting down. The more businesses

1019
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: that shut down, the more our emissions reduce the climate.

1020
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: Nutters will be happy. I feel like I feel like

1021
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of nutting people who will be happy

1022
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: with what's going on in the world today. Heither the

1023
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: heinz Waty's announcement is just another small milestone along the

1024
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: road to net zero, which the Prime Minister declared when

1025
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: he took office in twenty twenty three. He was deeply

1026
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: committed to it's the road to nowhere. Regards Stephen, Yeah,

1027
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: we'll talk to the huddle about that shortly. Federad of

1028
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: Farmer's first day news talks.

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00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 8: That'd be.

1030
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Oh my getness in with my cutting through the noise

1031
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: to get the facts.

1032
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: It's Heather duper cell and drive with one New Zealand

1033
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: coverage like no one else news talks.

1034
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: They'd be weak feature future feature. Briscos Brisco Group has

1035
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: reported today not a bad half year result actually, given

1036
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: what we were going through last year when you think

1037
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: about it, everybody had less money to spend, cost a

1038
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: living crisis. It was not very fun at all. Yet

1039
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: Prisco Marriage managed to keep things, keep the ship steady.

1040
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: So have a chat to Rod Duke after six and

1041
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: actually what I want to talk to him about is

1042
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: how worried he is about what he's seeing going on

1043
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: in Iran, because that's another cost of living problem, obviously

1044
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: problem for retailers. So as I say, after six and

1045
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: the huddles standing by twenty four away from sex now

1046
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: the government's back down on its plan to lift the

1047
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: ban on the live animal exports. The NATS wanted to

1048
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: do this, but they couldn't get it past cabinet. Carl

1049
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: Dean is the Federated Farmer's Dairy chairman and with us

1050
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: Hi Carl Hi, good evening here, how good it are

1051
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: you by this.

1052
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 3: Oh, we're very.

1053
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 21: Disappointed that, to be honest, but I suppose it's not

1054
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 21: surprising given the lack of appetite. There was a from

1055
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 21: the coalition partners to push it through, but also the

1056
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 21: moment the opposition came out and said we're not going

1057
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 21: to have a bar of it, no matter how good

1058
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 21: you make it for animal health and welfare. They don't

1059
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 21: want a bar of live exports. So it's just politics.

1060
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: So was it though, because it was part of the

1061
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: National Party and Act coalition agreement. So can we assume

1062
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: their New Zealand first was the problem here?

1063
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 21: I believe that it's more of the fact of it.

1064
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 21: It's probably not high on the priority list in politics,

1065
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 21: but the fact is that it would be very seldom

1066
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 21: to go and make a decision and expect a commercial

1067
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 21: interest to build us a nice, fancy, state of the

1068
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 21: art boat because it was going to be a gold

1069
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 21: standard new one for the world, only for the oppositional

1070
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 21: labor to be hanging over the head of a giant

1071
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 21: gauntlet saying well, if we get back in, it's gone.

1072
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1073
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 21: So it was never seen how long it takes to

1074
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 21: make fairies. It was never going to work.

1075
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's a low blow, but it's a fair one, Carl.

1076
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: Do you think part of the problem here as well

1077
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: is that you kind of snook it a bit politically

1078
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: if you're a farmer, because they can afford to break

1079
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: a promise to you guys. It's not as if you're

1080
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: going to pack a tantrum and go vote for the

1081
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: other side because the other side is a bit nutty.

1082
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 21: Well, I think you are bang on the money there.

1083
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 21: At the end of the day, the majority of New

1084
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 21: Zealanders that live in the cities, this didn't really affect them.

1085
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 21: It's not going to be one that's going to cost

1086
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 21: them huge amount of votes that they need to be

1087
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 21: winning right now. But it will cost the New Zealand economy.

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Speaker 21: You know, this was half a billion dollar trade before

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Speaker 21: it was banned. We've seen the American market for beef

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Speaker 21: goat gangbusters in the last two years. We're missing out

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Speaker 21: on that at the moment, the ability to help rebuild

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Speaker 21: the American herd through sending breeding animals there, so it

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Speaker 21: is money being sucked up by other economies like Australia at.

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Speaker 2: The moment, Carl, do you think this is the end

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Speaker 2: of the road for this discussion in New Zealand, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you go to an election twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 2: it's not overturned, the ban will be forever in place.

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Speaker 21: I think we're now getting to a point where it

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Speaker 21: has been already in place for five years now. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: it's going to be pretty hard to build up any

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Speaker 21: capacity going forward if it did get overturned. You know,

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Speaker 21: there was a big industry behind it that's very much

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Speaker 21: now diminished. The international players they've gone elsewhere. You know,

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Speaker 21: they've gone to Australia, they've gone to other countries around

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Speaker 21: the world for those breeding animals for export. So even

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Speaker 21: if we did get back today, it would probably be

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Speaker 21: a good wee while before we got the trade back

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Speaker 21: to where it was.

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Speaker 2: Carl, it's good to talk to you. Thanks very much mate,

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Speaker 2: This Carl Den, Federated Farmer's Dairy Chair. I should say, actually,

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Speaker 2: I seem to be on the wrong side of public

1112
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Speaker 2: opinion on the cash and the ATMs and the branches,

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Speaker 2: so I'll get some of those texts and attack. It's

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Speaker 2: twenty one away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 1: only truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Tuddle of us this evening. Morris Williams and Auckland Council,

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Speaker 2: former National Party minister and Jack Tame who's the host

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Speaker 2: of Saturday Mornings and Q and A on TVNZ. Hello

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Speaker 2: are you too, Kai, Heather Kalada Morris? Did you love

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Speaker 2: the Brian Roach move on the primary teachers as much

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Speaker 2: as I did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Look, I'm very pleased he did it to have those

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Speaker 13: members of the Union and I think it's one third

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Speaker 13: of the primary teachers are not a member of the Union,

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Speaker 13: ten thousand of them for them to say well, why

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Speaker 13: are we being held up with a settlement in a

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Speaker 13: because the lot that are in the Union are holding out.

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Speaker 13: And my understanding of the stumbling block for the Union

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Speaker 13: is two things, the Treaty of White Tangy and learning support.

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Speaker 13: And I heard the Minister of the Day said she's

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 13: put three quarters of a billion into learning support. It's

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Speaker 13: the biggest investment in learning support in a generation, about

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Speaker 13: two million hours extra into the primary schools of Luton.

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Speaker 13: So for the Treaty of White Tangy and learning Support

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Speaker 13: when it's been the greatest injection of money in a lifetime,

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Speaker 13: I just think the Union are playing silly buggers. And

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Speaker 13: good on Brian Roaches for doing what.

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Speaker 2: He did, quite right, Jack. Seems to be the pressure

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00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: is on the union now to wrap up these negotiations

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Speaker 2: or they face a potential exodus, don't they.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly Aday. I mean, he's definitely cranked things

1144
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 10: up with us. And obviously Brian Roach isn't shy about

1145
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 10: throwing himself right into the center of center of these

1146
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 10: negotiations and the center of this fight. I mean, you

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Speaker 10: can just imagine what it might be like in some

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Speaker 10: of those staff rooms around the country, like you know,

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Speaker 10: tomorrow morning for the for the eight thirty staff meeting,

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Speaker 10: Like you can just imagine that people are going to

1151
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 10: be looking around the room and you can imagine the

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00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 10: kind of tension and divisions and Yep, there might be

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Speaker 10: people who attempted to step away from the union if

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Speaker 10: they get a sense that the negotiations are likely to

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Speaker 10: drag on. I mean, there will certainly be people who

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Speaker 10: say that Brian Roach has moved isn't in the interests

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00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 10: of good faith bargaining with the union given usually these

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Speaker 10: deals have you know, they're waited to sign these deals

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Speaker 10: for once the union's reached or you know, a collective agreement.

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Speaker 10: That being said, Yeah, I think this might have the

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Speaker 10: effect ultimately of speeding things up.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there might be a partition down at every staff

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Speaker 13: for him in the future was clean and unclean. And

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Speaker 13: when they come in for their morning team.

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Speaker 2: Do you call them a scab if they're not in

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Speaker 2: the union?

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Speaker 13: No, I don't think you can. I think are scared

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Speaker 13: of a union member who breaks the rules?

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Speaker 10: What were you going to say, Jack, I think I

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Speaker 10: think you're not phys called anyone are scared in the

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Speaker 10: workplace as.

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Speaker 2: Unlawful as it.

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Speaker 3: Think?

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Speaker 2: I think they.

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Speaker 9: I think they recommend against it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a long it's been a long time,

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Speaker 2: so I've forgotten what the rules are around these things.

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Speaker 2: But Morris, listen because what the union has done in

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Speaker 2: response seems to me to be quite ill considered, because

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Speaker 2: they've they've come out and they said, we're going to

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Speaker 2: threaten legal action, so they're going to file an injunction,

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Speaker 2: or at least they're trying to to stop Brian Roach

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Speaker 2: paying the non union members this money, which is to

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Speaker 2: say that they asked not only are they stopping their

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Speaker 2: own members from getting the money by holding up negotiations,

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Speaker 2: but now they want to stop non unionized members from

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Speaker 2: getting money as well, which doesn't feel like the cool

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Speaker 2: thing to do if you want to be the popular guys.

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Speaker 13: Well, where I land on this is that ten thousand

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Speaker 13: and one third of all primary teachers have chosen it

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Speaker 13: was their choice to say no, I don't want to

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Speaker 13: be part of the union. I'm happy to just be

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Speaker 13: an individual employment contract. And so why should they be

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Speaker 13: held up? And it's gone on for the so.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've.

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Speaker 13: Settled with the secondary schools, they've settled with the principals,

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Speaker 13: they've settled with all but the end ZDI are hanging

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Speaker 13: out on these two things about the treaty, which I

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Speaker 13: think has got nothing to do with a pay claim

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Speaker 13: for schools and learning support. And when I said the

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Speaker 13: number of the money, I think I'm right. Three quarters

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Speaker 13: of a billion and two and two million hours of

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Speaker 13: learning support added by n by Erica Stamford, which is

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Speaker 13: the biggest in a generation. And that's still not enough

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Speaker 13: of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack, did you hear that academic before who was

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Speaker 2: talking about accruing sickly for up to a year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, thoughts a year seems like a long time to me.

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Speaker 10: There's probably nice yes, I'm not going to call anyone

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Speaker 10: a scare.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's I just think it's.

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Speaker 10: I just think that there's a happy medium to be

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Speaker 10: had here. And I do think that trying to nickel

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Speaker 10: and dine employees over sick ly is not a good

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Speaker 10: move on behalf of employees, because I think it's more

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Speaker 10: likely that people will come to work when they're sick

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Speaker 10: and make your other employees sick, which actually will ultimately

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Speaker 10: hurt your productivity. So I think there's a happy middle

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Speaker 10: ground to be had. And look, if I was to

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Speaker 10: get a serious illness, I'm sure I would love to

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Speaker 10: have a year's sick leave to be able to call upon.

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Speaker 10: But I don't know that it's currently realistic in the

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Speaker 10: kind of economy living in right now, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And also, Morris, it's transferable across This idea is it's

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Speaker 2: transferable across employers. So the eight Now, who's going to

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Speaker 2: hire the person with the years like a thirty eight

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Speaker 2: to stop being employee?

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Speaker 13: But a whole year up the sleeve of sickness. Sorry,

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Speaker 13: I'll find I'll find another candidate. Look in the sick

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00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 13: leave is about that when you're sick, you should be

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00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 13: able to get some pay while you're home and recovery.

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Speaker 13: The idea that if you're not claiming it, you can

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Speaker 13: just accumulate it and accrue it over. I mean that

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Speaker 13: just makes no sense at all. I mean, whoever the

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Speaker 13: academic is, he needs to read some more books.

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Speaker 2: You are such a sexist. It was actually a woman

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Speaker 2: who came up with that crappy idea.

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Speaker 13: Morris, Oh sorry, sorry, Okay, Well, I'm trying to be

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Speaker 13: very careful here, and I'm not allowed to do scabs

1240
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Speaker 13: and I wasn't going to get into missoge and the

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Speaker 13: other was a bloke.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. Okay, we'll take a quick break, come

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Speaker 2: back shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, a name

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: On the Huddle, Jack Tay, Morris Williams and Jack. I'm

1247
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of public opinion on the ATM.

1248
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: So how often do you use yours?

1249
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: Never?

1250
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: Never?

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Speaker 10: Because the only time this is maybe a bit controversial,

1252
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 10: but the only time anyone anyone my age uses an

1253
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 10: ATM is when they want to buy drugs or so

1254
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 10: I've been told about castles.

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Speaker 13: Well, I'm seventy five and I haven't used an ATM

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 13: for about bloody five or ten years. I don't know,

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00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 13: not just that not your age is my age as well.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think cash is important. I think exits the

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 10: cash is important. I think the way the Reserve Bank

1260
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Speaker 10: came about introducing these rules on moving these rules with

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Speaker 10: not going to win many supporters among the big banks.

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Speaker 10: I'm not surprised that they have scoffed at the scale

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Speaker 10: of the requirements. But I do think ensuring, you know,

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 10: ensuring all members of the community have access to cash

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00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 10: is important. I mean, I don't know that it's going

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Speaker 10: to be as important than fifteen or twenty years time,

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Speaker 10: but least for now. Not everyone's digital.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but look, it's based on market here that if

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00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 13: you're into the banks and using the cash machine and

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Speaker 13: needing it, because I just don't. I mean, who uses

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00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 13: a check book anymore? They're long since con landlines. Who

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 13: even answers them? If you'd still have one, I tell

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00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 13: you who will be happy that there's one group of

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00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 13: people out there. I love it, that's the common chair

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 13: os Why because of their drug they can't.

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Speaker 2: Do their So if we establish more ATMs, they're going

1277
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Speaker 2: to love it because then they can get their drug money. Yeah,

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00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: of course, that's a good point that you make, actually, Morris,

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: it's like they're an.

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Speaker 13: Important part of our society. They need to make sure

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Speaker 13: that they needs to look at lunacy. Absolutely. I mean

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01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 13: we should all still have what were those little things

1283
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 13: where Sonny Walkman's let's get back to Sonny Workman's around music.

1284
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 13: The world has moved on from this ship and people

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 13: do all their transactions with the phone in their hand,

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01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 13: or I do all my payments with a watch. Now

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Speaker 13: my watch does my bill payments. So let's just not start.

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Speaker 2: Having the Morris next time you were in here, can

1289
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: you show me how to do that?

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Speaker 13: Yep, happy to do so.

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Speaker 2: It's a happy day when you learn from a boomer

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: how to set up your payments. Now, listen, Jack, I

1293
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: have been thinking about this Auckland housing intensification thing. I

1294
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: think it's backfired on David Seabel. What's happened in the

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours? What do you think?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I'm going to hold fire on that until

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Speaker 10: the election because I still don't think this fight has done.

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 10: I think this is going to go on and on

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Speaker 10: and on all the way up into the election, and

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Speaker 10: let's see what the numbers are looking like in the

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Speaker 10: week or two before the election, because I reckon, David

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Speaker 10: Seymour still has some cards to play on all of this.

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Speaker 10: Maybe yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah. I mean it seems it

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Speaker 10: seems pretty sensible that if you're going to have intensification,

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Speaker 10: you have it near the public transport and you have

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Speaker 10: it close to the city That at a base level

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Speaker 10: seems seems like it makes a lot of sense. But

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Speaker 10: like I say, I reckon David seem will still got

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Speaker 10: cards to play.

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Speaker 2: So Morris, why I think it's backfired on him is

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Speaker 2: because it seems that it's all going to be basically

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Speaker 2: around the city center, which is where all the leafy suburbs,

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Speaker 2: including his electorate are.

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Speaker 13: That's what it's, yes, but it's a matter of what

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Speaker 13: you mean by the city center, because you can easily

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Speaker 13: go into, say where some of the transport corridors and

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Speaker 13: the transport hubs are, and you're not in a leafy suburb.

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Speaker 13: You're actually nearby. So what we did yesterday, which is

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Speaker 13: really important, is we've adopted some principles at the council,

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Speaker 13: and one of them is to accept the government's back

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Speaker 13: down to the one point six million rather than the

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Speaker 13: two million, because if you've got the two million, you

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Speaker 13: had to bleed right down into suburbia and right down

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Speaker 13: the suburban streets. At the one point six you don't.

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Speaker 13: And in fact, the one question that was asked of

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Speaker 13: officials yesterday, if we only did the town seen enters,

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Speaker 13: the transport hubs and the transport corridors, would that get

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Speaker 13: us our one point six And the answer was pretty

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Speaker 13: much yes.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to give them a map? Morris?

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Speaker 13: Well, the trouble is that the maps can't be built

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Speaker 13: till the criteria for how you can build amology. You

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Speaker 13: can build an infinite number of different maps. First of all,

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Speaker 13: what was decided yesterday was that ten k radius around

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Speaker 13: the CBD, So that means it's going to be a

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Speaker 13: different level of intensification in that ten k circle compared

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Speaker 13: to outside of it, which I'm delighted about because my

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Speaker 13: ward of Howick is right outside of that. A bit

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Speaker 13: of self interest here, secondly to do with a whole

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Speaker 13: lot of us, to do with where the transport corridors are.

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Speaker 13: We don't have a train set out here, we don't

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Speaker 13: have any state highways out here. So it's good that

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Speaker 13: we're not being forced because it was one size fits

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Speaker 13: all originally. I think that most people will be reasonably

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Speaker 13: happy when we settle on where it needs to be.

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Speaker 13: What I'm not yet convinced about is what was wrong

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Speaker 13: with the original unitary plan that was so hard worked for.

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Speaker 13: In twenty sixteen, we got all of the necessary what

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Speaker 13: was it, thirty thousand year times thirty years, gave you

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Speaker 13: your nine hundred thousand or a million available properties. Now

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 13: everyone says, oh, what spike. That was a huge price

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Speaker 13: spike in twenty twenty and so on. Well, I've just

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Speaker 13: looked up several documents. You can look it up on

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Speaker 13: the web. The thing that drove that was the Reserve

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Speaker 13: Bank flounder the money market with liquidity they made that

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Speaker 13: they dropped the interest rate to point two five of

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Speaker 13: one percent. Now, if you can get that, that's basically

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Speaker 13: free money and as much of it as you want. Well,

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Speaker 13: guess what happened pebble ad options and so I couldn't

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Speaker 13: afford that normally it's only another fifty grand I.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying is we're trying to fix something at

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Speaker 2: the council level that was actually a reserve, but it

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Speaker 2: was driven by reserve bank action. I appreciate that's a

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Speaker 2: very good argument. Guys, listen. Thanks, I have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there. Morris Williams and Jack Tamar Huddle seven away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: How cool is this, Heather. I'm driving around in taxis

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Speaker 2: and Shanghai at the moment, and it's great to be

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Speaker 2: listening to you to take my mind off the taxis

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Speaker 2: moniacal driving, but an amazing city. Just the same.

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Speaker 10: Norman D.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Norman. You're gonna come back and not

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: have missdbeat. They're gonna say, oh, did you hear what

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Speaker 2: happened while you were away? Yep, absolutely, I was listening

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Speaker 2: to news talks. He'd be drive. Love it good from you,

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Speaker 2: Hither You're wrong about local banks and ATMs. I work

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Speaker 2: in a bank. The biggest users are the young ones

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Speaker 2: who are losing their cards and wanting a new card.

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Speaker 2: They can order online, but then they have to wait

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Speaker 2: ten days when they come to the branch. The next

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Speaker 2: biggest users of the older folk who need a branch

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Speaker 2: to help them with their digital banking. If the bank

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Speaker 2: is cashless, ATMs are the next best options. Some things

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Speaker 2: cannot be done online. Here, the having access to cash

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with digital competency. I'm digitally proficient,

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: yet I need cash for sports clubs, grandkids, and disasters

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Speaker 2: like the Christian earthquake. But what I would say to

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Speaker 2: that is sure. I mean, go out and get out

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Speaker 2: five hundred or whatever you need, stick in the undees,

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Speaker 2: draw and then deplete it and then drive go and

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Speaker 2: get it again next time you need it. Do you

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Speaker 2: really need it, you know, in your like one k

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Speaker 2: away from you or can it be ten k's away

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Speaker 2: for you just to get out every six months? Heather,

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Speaker 2: ask the East Coast people what they think about cash.

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Speaker 2: When Gabrielle came through Hither, you were wrong one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: You cite bouncy councils as an example. Please come back

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Speaker 2: to the real world. I love your show. Albeit you're

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: not just read it. You're just not reading the room here, Heather,

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Speaker 2: I used an ATM this afternoon to deposit banking into

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Speaker 2: a charity business account and take cash out of my account.

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Speaker 2: John K is a wealthy city guy like you. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't understand rural communities. Do you know what though, why

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Speaker 2: do you think I got money out for the bouncy council.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're paying tax? Hey, you think they're

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Speaker 2: paying tax. I don't think they're paying tax. So if

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Speaker 2: we start making it harder for me to get cash

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Speaker 2: out for the bouncy counsel, we might get some more

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Speaker 2: cash money into the IRD. By the way, they were

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Speaker 2: going to do that crackdown on company loans to shareholders

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Speaker 2: not gonna happen to Native Training will talk us through

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Speaker 2: that shortly. But Briscoe's next set my heart from the

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Speaker 2: feet out.

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Speaker 1: Oh if we're business Insight the Business Hour with header

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Speaker 1: duple c Allen and MAS Insurance and investments, your futures

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Speaker 1: in good hands, News talks.

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Speaker 3: There be.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Gennative Charny will

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Speaker 2: talk us through this. IID back down Milford Asset Management

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Speaker 2: with a market update on the Iran war and the implications.

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Speaker 2: And then Gavin Gray is with us out of the

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Speaker 2: UK right now. It's seven past six now not bad

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Speaker 2: news for Briscos. The retailer has posted a firm full

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Speaker 2: year result, net profits down only slightly to fifty nine

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Speaker 2: million dollars. The managing director is rod Duke Hirodhi haven't.

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Speaker 2: I would say that's a pretty good outcome given the

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Speaker 2: year that we've just had read the cost of living.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, we were pretty pleased as well. You could

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Speaker 9: see the first half was a bit tough and it's

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Speaker 9: sort of eased up and we kicked a couple of

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Speaker 9: goals in the in the second half, so turned out

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Speaker 9: a pretty quid to you do you have?

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Speaker 2: How much did you have to cut and costs?

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Speaker 9: Well, we didn't really. Yes, we looked after costs and

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Speaker 9: as you can see, there's only been a small movement

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Speaker 9: in the customer doing business. But we just sort of

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Speaker 9: tightened up a lot of things that we're able to

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Speaker 9: and so.

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Speaker 2: What happened in the second half to turn it around.

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Speaker 9: Well, look, we did change a fair bit in terms

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Speaker 9: of the way in which we go to the media

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Speaker 9: and what we what we say in our promotions. But

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Speaker 9: I think generally the market just from about Black Friday

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Speaker 9: sort of just ease up a bit. People just got

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Speaker 9: a bit more confident still.

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Speaker 2: I was having a chat to Sky TV CEO Sophie

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Speaker 2: Maloney the other day and she was saying the old

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Speaker 2: TV advertising was softer than she was expecting. Are you

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Speaker 2: still seeing value in TV advertising?

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Speaker 9: We don't do a lot of it now. Why because

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Speaker 9: there's not as many eyeballs on it and the value

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Speaker 9: that used to be there is simply not there and

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Speaker 9: elsewhere at the moment.

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Speaker 2: And is it a case of it's an expensive thing

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Speaker 2: to make and then it doesn't bear much fruit?

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, it would be right to characterize it that way.

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Speaker 9: But you know, we've all known that media is going

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Speaker 9: to shift. We've known that for years and look, it

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Speaker 9: is what it is. People are just just taking notes

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Speaker 9: of different pieces of media rather than fredware or even

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Speaker 9: payt evate.

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Speaker 2: And so where are you putting your money? Advertising wise?

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Speaker 2: I love it social really and does that bear much fruit?

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Speaker 2: Plenty because it can be tailored.

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Speaker 9: There is that also we have a two million person

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Speaker 9: customer base that we can talk direct ea m as well.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, now listen having a look at what's going on

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Speaker 2: in Iran? How are you feeling about that?

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Speaker 9: Look that for this year My year started February the first,

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Speaker 9: So this year that we've just started, the elephant in

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Speaker 9: the room is in fact Iran and Donald Trump if

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Speaker 9: in fact that goes on and continues to cause the

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Speaker 9: term more and angst that it is, then it's going

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Speaker 9: to be going to be an issue. But look, I

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Speaker 9: happen to be in the view that he's got midterm

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Speaker 9: elections coming up. Fighting a war he didn't need to

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Speaker 9: be in is probably not good, and he's likely to

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Speaker 9: pack up stumps and go home sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right there. Are you seeing any any prices

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Speaker 2: shift already?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 9: No, not yet, not yet. But it's only just been announced.

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Speaker 9: These search charges aren't just gone on. This particular time

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Speaker 9: of year is our low season for receipting of overseas merchandise.

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Speaker 9: But if it were to continue through to over November,

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Speaker 9: it would be a problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a significant problem, wouldn't it. There are some

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Speaker 2: people who are talking about the possibility of this kicking

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Speaker 2: us into backwards into a recession in this country. What

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Speaker 2: do you think of that?

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Speaker 9: I think fuel is highly imflatiary, and I think the

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Speaker 9: Reserve Bank will have no choice but to move interest rates,

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Speaker 9: But I don't think they'll do it instantly. I just

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Speaker 9: have a feeling, you know, a week or two or

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Speaker 9: three or four of this, you know, may not be

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Speaker 9: quite enough to do that, but any extension to that

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Speaker 9: may very well be easy for the bank to make

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Speaker 9: those decisions.

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Speaker 2: Rod, Yeah, well said listen, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: letting me pecky brains. It's Rod Duke, managing director at

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Speaker 2: Brisco Group. It's eleven past six. Heather do clah that

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Speaker 2: Aucklin got a flood prone properly map out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Why can't they get an intensification map out as quickly? Larry,

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Speaker 2: It's a good question, reason being right. The flooding is

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Speaker 2: the flooding. The flooding is where the flooding happens. You

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Speaker 2: do a model, you go, okay, that's where the flooding

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Speaker 2: is going to happen because the water goes up and

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Speaker 2: these have a low lying. This map, the intensification map,

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Speaker 2: is hard to produce because there are so many decisions

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Speaker 2: that have to be taken yet before we can, like,

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Speaker 2: for example, and this is the point that was being

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Speaker 2: made earlier. I think that Morris was making the decision

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Speaker 2: that was taken today to wait the intensification towards within

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Speaker 2: the ten k radius of the city center. That will change.

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Speaker 2: That changes how the map would look. Now there might

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Speaker 2: be another decision that changes how and there might be

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Speaker 2: another decision. So in the end of it, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're kind of like, how many maps are you going

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Speaker 2: to produce? And because this is tied up fifty five

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Speaker 2: people already full time, thirteen million dollars for Auckland, is

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Speaker 2: how much more do you want to pay to produce?

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Speaker 2: How many more maps? Using up how many more people

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: to make people feel happy before we go to the selection.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's I think I think Wayne Brown's

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01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: right to draw line and just go no, we're not

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Speaker 2: doing it now. The boss of the Saudi Arabian state

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Speaker 2: backed oil company, just going back to what Rod was

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: talking about there with the oil has made some comments

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Speaker 2: about the war in his quarterly earnings call. He's warned

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Speaker 2: that unless the Strait of Hormuz is open soon, there

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Speaker 2: will be catastrophic consequences, possibly for the world. He says

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: the company is starting to get it reckons it will

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Speaker 2: get start getting most of its oil out in the

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Speaker 2: next couple of days. They normally produce about seven million

1539
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Speaker 2: barrels of oil a day that mostly go through the strait.

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Speaker 2: They're going to divert five million barrels a day via

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Speaker 2: the East West pipelines, so there's about seventy one percent

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Speaker 2: of what they normally get out.

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Speaker 10: He warned.

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Speaker 2: Though global inventories of oil are at a five year low,

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: drawdowns will increase because of the crisis, and so it's

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Speaker 2: critical for shipping in the Strait to resume or quote.

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Speaker 2: There would be catastrophic consequences for the world's oil markets,

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Speaker 2: and the longer the disruption goes on, the more drastic

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Speaker 2: the consequences for the global economy. Talk to Milford Asset

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Speaker 2: Management about this very thing, oil and markets next thirteen

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupricy Allen from the Business Hour with MAS

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Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands. Used talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: If you think that the Prime Minister gets beaten up

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Speaker 2: by the media and the media is hostile. I suspect,

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: I suspect the story about his diary and his holiday

1578
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: leave is probably gonna just entrench that thought for you.

1579
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Speaker 2: So I'll run you through that, maybe hopefully before Yeah,

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Speaker 2: why don't we before this half hours through a seventeen

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Speaker 2: PAS six But first Brendan last and Lilford Asset Management

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Speaker 2: hy Brandon evening hither all right, we're eleven days into

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Speaker 2: this conflict with Iran. Now the markets have calmed a little,

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Speaker 2: haven't they.

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Speaker 22: Look it's fair to say they have, but there remains

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Speaker 22: I guess a heightened sense of uncertainty in the market.

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Speaker 22: I mean, last week the escalation did cause some large

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Speaker 22: gyrations and markets, to say the least, so oil obviously

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Speaker 22: the most impacted asset. We saw prices surge to a

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Speaker 22: hive around one hundred and twenty US dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 22: I mean, as a result of this, you know, risky

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Speaker 22: assets broadly came under pressure. We saw the likes of

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Speaker 22: Europe and Asia really heavily impacted, as these regions are

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Speaker 22: particular are net oil importers, meaning that they could face

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Speaker 22: a really large impact on their terms of trade should

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Speaker 22: oil prices remain at these elevated levels. Since this peak,

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Speaker 22: you know, we've seen some signs of the US administration

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Speaker 22: trying to calm markets, speculation of G seven oil reserves

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Speaker 22: being released. You know, it's not yet to eventuate, but

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Speaker 22: it did help calm markets a wee bit. We've also

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 22: seen the US administration outline plan to provide insurance to

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Speaker 22: some of these vessels via the Treasury and outlining things

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Speaker 22: like potential military escorts as well to ensure sort of

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01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 22: safe passage through this retiforms. Despite that, there's not really

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 22: been a clear understanding of what's actually required to stop

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Speaker 22: this war from from either side. Really, even as you

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01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 22: know recent as a few hours ago, the dialogue between

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Speaker 22: the US and Iran has remained threatening.

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Speaker 10: So you know, a lot of uncertainty still persists.

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Speaker 2: So how do you see, Brendan the economic effects of

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Speaker 2: what is going on here?

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Speaker 22: Look, the key question for US is really how long

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Speaker 22: this conflict persists, so that'll be the key driver of

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 22: the extent of any economic impact. The initial reaction last

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Speaker 22: week was, you know, bond's weakening rather than strengthening like

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Speaker 22: they would in a traditional risk off environment. And the

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Speaker 22: real reason for this is clearly because of oil being involved.

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Speaker 22: So oil prices spiking meant that markets moved to price

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Speaker 22: in a more inflationary dynamic, which would be bad for bonds.

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Speaker 22: So trying to quantify that is difficult, but a standard

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Speaker 22: rule of thumb as a sustained ten percent increase in

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 22: oil prices results in about a thirty basis point increase

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Speaker 22: in headline inflation globally, and so that would therefore translate

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Speaker 22: into a GDP head of about ten basis points. So

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Speaker 22: you can see how much you could flex the assumptions

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Speaker 22: dependent on how long oil stays at these at these

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Speaker 22: higher levels, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not good for growth, it's not good

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Speaker 2: for inflation, but it's not a disaster. What do you

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Speaker 2: think the central banks are likely to do in response?

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Speaker 10: Look, I think that's right and aggregate.

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Speaker 22: But I guess the way you think about it is

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 22: this will differ materially between regions. The US, for example,

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01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 22: was already seeing signs of inflation accelerating prior to this

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Speaker 22: oil shock, and so this could really compound some of

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Speaker 22: their issues. This comes at a time where employment growth

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01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 22: in the US is now quite weak, and so it

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Speaker 22: makes the federal reserves job even more difficult balancing both

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Speaker 22: parts of their dual mandate. In New Zealand, we think

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Speaker 22: our central bank can look through any inflationary impacts. We

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Speaker 22: do have excess capacity in the economy and Governor Bremen

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Speaker 22: did outline in the last press conference that the central

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Speaker 22: Bank would look through transitory inflation. In Australia, we do

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Speaker 22: think the story it could be a little bit more

1645
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 22: more different that the Central Bank have already been worried

1646
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 22: about inflation, and as recently as yesterday their Deputy governor

1647
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 22: alluded to potentially needing to act on this faster, potentially

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Speaker 22: as soon as next week. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 22: moving parts and plenty of uncertainty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Brendan, thank you so much for talking us through

1651
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: Brndan Larson Lilford Asset Management. Right, sketch you across this

1652
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Speaker 2: business with the Prime Minister's holiday leave next six to

1653
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Speaker 2: twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1655
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Speaker 1: on the business hour with the Duplicila and MAS insurance

1656
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: and investments.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands, News talk zby.

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Speaker 2: Six twenty three. Right, here's the debate about the Prime

1659
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Speaker 2: Minister's diary. The problem for the Prime Minister's diary is

1660
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Speaker 2: that he didn't come back to work officially according to

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: his diary until January nineteen, which is the day that

1662
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: he had a State of the Nation address. Now why

1663
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: this is a thing is because I don't know if

1664
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: you recall, but he was on with us just before

1665
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Speaker 2: Christmas and he made quite a big I don't want

1666
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: to say he made quite a big deal because I

1667
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: kind of led him into it, but he did.

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Speaker 3: He did go for it.

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Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, no, we take too much holiday

1670
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: in this country. Americans don't take as much holiday. And

1671
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 2: he was telling us he was always back at work

1672
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: on the third or the fourth of January. So turns

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01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: out something of a surprise to find out not really

1674
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 2: until the nineteenth. Actually actually now, his argument is that

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he wasn't working. He was still working. He

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01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 2: says he was back at work, working quite intensively from

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: the fourth and the fifth, and then he really cranked

1678
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: up on the week of the eleventh. Well, I don't

1679
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: know what comes after working intense, Like, if you're working

1680
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: intensely in the first week and then you're cranking up

1681
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: from that, you must burning out already in the second

1682
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: week of January, he reckons, he didn't even have a

1683
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: holiday trouble for him. And look, I'm just I'm not

1684
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 2: casting this, I'm not picking sites. I'm just laying it

1685
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: out for you as the debate is being as being

1686
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: laid out against him. Problem for him is his official

1687
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: diary starts on the nineteenth, and we assume he was

1688
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: working before that. Everybody else's official diary starts way before.

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis is meeting Treasury on the sixteenth. Chris Bishop

1690
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: is making an announcement about Granny Flats on the fifteenth.

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01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is meeting with Education on the fourteenth. Louise

1692
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: Upston is having a team's meeting about tourism on the fourteenth.

1693
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: James Megha is meeting Queenstown Airport on the fourteenth. Tama

1694
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: Paul Tucker is talking housing official talking to housing officials

1695
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 2: on the twelfth. Chris penk has done a media interview

1696
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: on the twelfth. Simon Watts did a round of media

1697
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 2: interviews about energy on the eleventh. Paul Goldsmith's hat of

1698
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: Poor forty on the tenth. Matt Doocey do you want

1699
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: me to keep going? Matt Doocey did an interview on

1700
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: the ninth. Sime and Brown met with health officials on

1701
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 2: New Year's Day, which wins everything. David Seymour has a

1702
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: media interview on the nineteenth. Winston Peters has a media

1703
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 2: interview on January the eighth. So, so yeah, like I said,

1704
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you might go off a lazy sod he's

1705
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: not back at work till the nineteenth, or you might

1706
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: go what a hostile media six twenty six, There's no

1707
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 2: business like show business. Katy Kerry has won her latest

1708
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: legal battle against Katy Perry. Let me explain. Katy Perry,

1709
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: as in Katie with an Ie at the End, is

1710
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: an Australian fashion designer. She won against on a case

1711
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: against Katy Perry as in with Y at the End,

1712
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: which is the one that we all know, over a

1713
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 2: trademark infringement. So Perry the designer was originally sued in

1714
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine while Katie the Singer was getting

1715
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: ready to tour Ozzie. But then ten years later twenty nineteen,

1716
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: the designer takes the singer to court claiming Katy Perry

1717
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: the Singer was inflicting on Katy Perry the designers. Trademark

1718
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 2: with merchiales is very complicated. Don't worry if you're not

1719
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: following it, you STI got to know that they're being

1720
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: being hideous to each other. Anyway, that case has now

1721
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 2: gone all the way to the Australian High Courts. The

1722
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: thing's been going on seventeen years. Katy Perry's won the designer.

1723
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 2: One of the big differences was that Katy Perry the

1724
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 2: Designer was born Katy Perry, whereas Katy Perry the Singer

1725
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 2: was born Catherine Elizabeth H. Hudson. In private texts of

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 2: Katy Perry the Singer were released as court evidence, including

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01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: her nasty thoughts about Katy Perry the Designer.

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Speaker 23: The court heard that Perry's manager had become aware of

1729
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 23: Taylor's trademark in two thousand and nine and tried to

1730
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 23: convince the artist to put out a statement on the matter,

1731
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 23: but Perry had responded that she wanted to keep out

1732
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 23: of it entirely. Dumb bitch, she said in response, what

1733
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 23: a cow?

1734
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 3: What a cow?

1735
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: She and that floppy head get from Canada deserve each other. Now,

1736
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not sure which one I'm me

1737
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: in hand more her, you know what I'm talking about.

1738
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: What's his name? Ants?

1739
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 15: Justin Trudeau?

1740
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 2: I can't even say it anyway. It looks like maybe

1741
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 2: the seventeen year dispute is over. Now Katie Pierry is

1742
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: going to have to pay for Katy Pierry's legal costs.

1743
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: It is really frustrating. I lost s trek upright through.

1744
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 15: So which Katie called the other one?

1745
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: No, there was the singer was being horrible, right.

1746
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 15: Right, she just stayed Katie Hudson, we would never have

1747
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 15: to worry.

1748
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: About it, right, Hey, we're going to talk next to

1749
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 2: Jane Tibshraney. You remember that IOD was going to crack

1750
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 2: down on all those loans, shareholders and stuff. Yep, not anymore.

1751
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: That's next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The

1752
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather duper cl and mass.

1753
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: Insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, used talks,

1754
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 3: I'd be.

1755
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: It's a love you everyday, Hatred just a little. I've

1756
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: got a better.

1757
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 16: Man, ca't Gray.

1758
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: It's going to get us out of the UK. And

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01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: ten minutes time, Heather, I'm sick of the stupid media,

1760
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: total tosses. Please don't give these idiots any oxygen. Just

1761
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: because he had no meetings doesn't mean he wasn't working. Yeah,

1762
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: you're definitely in the hostile media camp. I'll tell you

1763
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: what though, that is a fair point, right, just because

1764
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: you didn't have a meeting. I don't have meetings, I know.

1765
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 2: Actually that's a lie. I have meetings every day. I

1766
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: do have two meetings every day, but they're really quick

1767
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: and I don't think I put them in my diary.

1768
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: But just in fact, I would argue fewer meetings, more work,

1769
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? So he was cranking

1770
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: through the work because he wasn't meeting with anyone. Hey,

1771
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to run you through the propaganda out

1772
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: of Iran. It's quite weird. So stand by twenty four

1773
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 2: away from seven. Here, the Duplessy allen An ird proposal

1774
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: to crack down on company loans to shareholders doesn't look

1775
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: like it's going to happen. To explain why, we're joined

1776
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: by The Herald's Wellington Business editor Gene tib Cheranny Hygiene. Hey,

1777
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: now this looks more like a decision that's being taken

1778
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: at the political level than Ird's level. Is that fair?

1779
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 16: Well, Actually, there's been a bit of a turn of

1780
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 16: events here. In earlier this year and late last year,

1781
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 16: IRD consulted on basically cracking down on companies that lean

1782
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 16: money to shareholders, because if you do that, if I'm

1783
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 16: a shareholder and I get loans from the company that

1784
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 16: I have a shareholding in, I don't need to pay

1785
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 16: tax on that loan. So there could be instances where

1786
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 16: I'm receiving a loan, but actually I should be receiving

1787
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 16: dividends or income, and dividends and income would be taxed.

1788
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 16: So IRD recognized that, so it said, hey, maybe we

1789
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 16: should tax some of these, not all of them, but

1790
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 16: some of these loans are the big ones, particularly if

1791
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 16: they aren't repaid. So it consulted on that. It got

1792
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 16: feedback that, apparently, according to Nikola Willis today wasn't very positive.

1793
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 16: So the government has decided not to push on with

1794
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 16: taxing big loans that aren't repaid quickly. So that was

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 16: one of id's initial proposals. So what happened with that

1796
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 16: was New Zealand First and ACT came out and said

1797
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 16: they didn't like it. Of course, you know, they don't

1798
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 16: want to upset shareholders small businesses, particularly in you know,

1799
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 16: forestry and property. That's where where this sort of arrangement

1800
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 16: is used quite a lot. So they said no. And

1801
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 16: today I took to Nichola Willis and she said no.

1802
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 16: She also doesn't think it's a good idea.

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: And so as I, as I kind of intimated it

1804
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: has been taken, this decision is being taken at a

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01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: political level. ACT also doesn't support it. New Zealand First

1806
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 2: doesn't support it, does Act have a point here that

1807
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: it would lead to double taxation.

1808
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 16: Look, I think you know ACT has a similar view

1809
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 16: around double taxation in regard to this this issue as

1810
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 16: it does when it comes to like a capital gains

1811
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,839
Speaker 16: tax for example. According to Nicola Willis, Inland Revenue decided

1812
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 16: its original proposal might have been an overkill or it

1813
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 16: was it was going too far. But speaking to her today,

1814
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 16: and this is sort of hot of the press that

1815
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 16: it hasn't even been written yet, but she said they

1816
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 16: were still wanting to look at instances where companies issue

1817
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 16: loans to shareholders and that's a way to funnel money

1818
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 16: out of a company and then that company is liquidated.

1819
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 16: So she recognized that was still an issue and they

1820
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 16: were still looking at how to address that now, whether

1821
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 16: that's addressed by you know, taxing the loans or something else.

1822
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 16: I think that's the issue they're still looking to work

1823
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 16: through now. She mentioned SPQR that fancy Auckland Ponsby Road

1824
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 16: restaurant that was liquidated. I think that was something that

1825
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 16: that might have you know, happened in that instance. So

1826
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 16: they have kind of closed the door on coming down

1827
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 16: with a big stick on this issue, but they're still

1828
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 16: looking at whether to fix the issue of you know,

1829
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 16: funneling money out of a company and then liquidating the company.

1830
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, I remember there was there was a

1831
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: fair amount of money, wasn't it was like that? Goodness,

1832
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 2: I feel like there was about one hundred thousand dollars

1833
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: that was owed to the owner of something with these SPQR.

1834
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 16: Yeah, just from memory, it might have been more. But

1835
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 16: you know, the use of these shareholder loans, like it

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01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 16: sounds very niche, but at the moment, shareholders o companies

1837
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 16: twenty nine billion dollars, So that is twenty nine billion

1838
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 16: dollars is a lot of money, and you have to

1839
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 16: look at that and go, well, all of those genuine

1840
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 16: loans or is this loan arrangement being used to minimize

1841
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 16: tax builds one way or another. So I'll be interested

1842
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 16: to see exactly what id's feedback is on the feedback

1843
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 16: it received on its consultation, because the the experts I've

1844
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 16: spoken to have mixed views on this, Like they don't

1845
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 16: all agree with the politicians that this is an overkill,

1846
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 16: Like some of them do really think that the system

1847
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 16: is being brought it basically and people who should be

1848
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 16: paying tax are.

1849
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: Not interesting Yeah, it might have been a lot more

1850
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 2: than that, maybe one point four million. Thank you very much,

1851
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: Jane appreciated. Jane tub Trainey The Herald's Wellington Business edit

1852
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: a nineteen away from seven together for al So. The

1853
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: propaganda video from the Iranian regime that's been released about

1854
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: the war is quite bizarre because they've done the whole

1855
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: thing lego style, like the Lego movie. So it starts

1856
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 2: with a couple of Lego people. Actually there are three

1857
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: Lego people. There's Aneta Yahoo, there's a Donald Trump, and

1858
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 2: there's a devil and they're all looking at a folder

1859
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: entitled the Epstein File. And then they laugh and then

1860
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Lego Donald hits a red button, sends a

1861
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: missile that then hits what appears to be a classroom

1862
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 2: with girls wearing pink head scarfs, and then the teacher

1863
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 2: writes on the board, my homeland is life, and then

1864
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: the board goes the screen goes dark, and the Iranian

1865
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: officer picks up a pink bag in the middle of

1866
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 2: the rubble of the strike and then cries, and then

1867
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 2: a sadness turns surage. It's all lego, and then it's

1868
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: got the Iranian Revolutionary Guards attacking American and Israeli assets.

1869
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: You've got the British forces being bombed in Cyprus by

1870
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: little Lego jets. You've got American jets shot out of

1871
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 2: the sky. You've got a Lego Orthodox Jewish guy running

1872
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: away from the explosions. It's bizarre because Lego is generally

1873
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: fun and happy, and obviously, you know Lego people involved

1874
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: in a real life conflict is not at all fun

1875
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: and happy. However, if you're going to give it to

1876
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: the inn and credit where credit is due, I suppose

1877
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:42,480
Speaker 2: in a very bizarre and macab way, making a propaganda

1878
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: video out of Lego men fighting with each other is

1879
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: probably more shareable on Instagram. Like if you were just

1880
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: doing aiver like the real life videos, I'm not going

1881
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: to share it, are we But with the Lego guys,

1882
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: like have you seen how weird this is? Send it

1883
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: to each other. So it's probably going to get more

1884
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: shareability on the with govies. By the way, because at

1885
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: the moment, I don't know if you've noticed this, but

1886
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: for the most part, like I want to say, ninety

1887
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: percent of the coverage on the weight loss jabs is positive.

1888
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Great for your heart, great for you, You're scrolling on

1889
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: your phone. Now you don't want to do that. Great

1890
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: for your weight loss, great for this, great for Alzheimer's,

1891
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: great for all of the things. There is a potential

1892
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 2: significant side effect which is negative. Researchers reckon, you're more

1893
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: likely get it to get an eye stroke if you're

1894
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: using the wagovi than the ezempic, and it's like a fire.

1895
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: The risk of it is five times greater than using ozempic.

1896
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: And an eye stroke is when you suddenly lose your

1897
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: vision basically in some cases permanently because you have reduced

1898
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 2: blood flow to the optic nerve. This is a study

1899
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: that's been published in the British Journal of Ophthalmology, and

1900
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 2: apparently it's much worse for men. It's like three times

1901
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 2: greater at the risk for men than women. It is

1902
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: still rare, I should say one in ten thousand people.

1903
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: You know, like the odds are that you're not going

1904
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: to get it, and what it is basically because you'll

1905
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: be thinking, well, what's the difference between the two of them.

1906
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 2: They've both got the same stuff in there, they do,

1907
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 2: but the different it's different dosages, different formulations that makes

1908
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: the difference. Apparently seventeen away from seven.

1909
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1910
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mayor's Insurance

1911
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: and Investments, Your futures in good Hands.

1912
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 3: News Talk ZIB.

1913
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 2: Hither did the Iranian video show a pile of thirty

1914
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 2: thousand lego figures being buried by the Iranian guards who

1915
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: shot them when they protested. No, funnily enough they lift

1916
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: that out of the video. Actually fourteen away from seven

1917
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray UK correspondence with us Ellogevin hither have right?

1918
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: So tell me about the chep who's been jailed for

1919
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: being a member of his buller.

1920
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 7: Yes, this was in Germany and this man only described

1921
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 7: as fadal Z in line with German privacy laws, has

1922
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 7: been sentenced to six and a half years in prison

1923
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 7: for being a member of the Shia militia group hez Blah.

1924
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 7: The military wing is prescribed as a terrorist organization by

1925
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 7: the EU, and the thirty five year old was also

1926
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 7: found guilty of aiding and the betting, attempted murder and

1927
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 7: also other violations of European Union embargo relations. Now, what

1928
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 7: he was affectively doing was purchasing roughly two and a

1929
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 7: half million New Zealand dollars worth of materials for the

1930
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 7: construction of drones and was getting those materials being sent

1931
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 7: then abroad for their manufacture in Lebanon. So he had

1932
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 7: ordered some two thousand petrol and electric motors and over

1933
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 7: six hundred propellers. It was said in court he was

1934
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 7: a foreign operator for Hesbela and for the HESBA drones

1935
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,799
Speaker 7: program since twenty twenty two, first of all in Spain

1936
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Speaker 7: and then started working in Germany. The products came in

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Speaker 7: from Europe, China, United States and used front companies. He

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01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 7: used front companies registering his own name or that of

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Speaker 7: his contacts to place orders and suppliers were paid via

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Speaker 7: these companies that he had set up, and two of

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Speaker 7: the engines we definitely know two of the engines purchased

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Speaker 7: by this ban were later used in explosive drones.

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Speaker 3: That Hesbela fired at Israel.

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Speaker 7: So I think it just goes to show some of

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Speaker 7: the more covert things happening in Europe to do with

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Speaker 7: Iran currently going on.

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Speaker 2: Devin. Have they explained why they've beenned this match for

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Speaker 2: Sunday and what the risk was.

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Speaker 7: Well, the government is very aware that there is a

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Speaker 7: march being planned. It's called the annual Al Kutz Day,

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Speaker 7: and it's seen as pro Iranian. Now the organizers say no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: this is pro Palestinian. They're basically saying it is an

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Speaker 7: annual event in which we try to highlight some of

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Speaker 7: the ways in which Palestinians are being attacked or at

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Speaker 7: least life made very very difficult for them around the world.

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Speaker 7: But police certainly received intel legends there was going to

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Speaker 7: be counter protest marches that a lot of it was

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Speaker 7: going to be around the current action we're seeing in

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Speaker 7: the Middle East and Iran, and that's why they were

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Speaker 7: so worried about it. Now a march on the move,

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Speaker 7: of course, becomes that much more difficult to protest. So

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Speaker 7: the government has used powers that they've not used since

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Speaker 7: twenty twelve in order to effectively ban the march. What

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Speaker 7: they've said instead is you can hold a demonstration, but

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Speaker 7: it needs to be in a single place, and you

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Speaker 7: need to stay in that place, and it's under strict conditions.

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Speaker 7: Now the organizers of the march are saying this is

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Speaker 7: against our really free speech. This government is going against

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Speaker 7: its own policies saying we want free speech in this country,

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Speaker 7: but others are saying no, it was far too dangerous

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Speaker 7: to have something on the march on the go through

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Speaker 7: London which could easily splinter into different areas as people

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Speaker 7: go through different streets. It would have become almost impossible

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Speaker 7: for them to police. They have said they have policed

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Speaker 7: it in the past that this year they believe it

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Speaker 7: would have been very, very dangerous because of the current

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Speaker 7: action and war in Iran.

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Speaker 2: Now, Gevin, you decided for me, do you reckon fourteen

1979
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Speaker 2: hundred pounds to go and see Megan? Speakers a little

1980
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Speaker 2: on the steep side.

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Speaker 7: Well, I thought you should go on an investigative weekend Factory.

1982
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 7: So the Chess of Sussex is headlining a women only

1983
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 7: retreat in Sydney Coogie Beach. To be more precise, if

1984
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 7: you fancy it, it's nearly three thousand New Zealand dollars

1985
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 7: per person. It's a three day event during which Meghan

1986
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 7: will basically have a girl's weekend like no other. It's

1987
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 7: been described at a very small select group aimed at

1988
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 7: women trying to be their best selves. Not quite sure

1989
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Speaker 7: what that means. I'm sure you can explain it to

1990
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 7: It's an unforgettable weekend for women ready to reconnect, recharge

1991
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Speaker 7: and have some serious fun. And apparently it includes sessions

1992
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 7: with a psychologist, some yoga, sound healing, a disco and

1993
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 7: a meditation and manifestation session. Now, the last visit held

1994
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 7: by Harry and Meghan to Australia was in twenty eighteen. Recently,

1995
01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 7: just after that they announced that they were expecting a child.

1996
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 7: Megan was pregnant, but of course the couple stepped down

1997
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 7: from from basically Yeah Royal the WROTA duties in January

1998
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 7: twenty twenty. So it's interesting that they're going back there

1999
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Speaker 7: as part of their sort of private world tour and

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Speaker 7: we'll wait to see exactly how this weekend pass out.

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Speaker 2: You had me at manifestation session. I thought that's a

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01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 2: bit of me for the entire weekend. Thank you, Gavin.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. Listen, here's a twist I reckon.

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Speaker 2: This is getting more and more interesting with every little

2005
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 2: update we've got. I've got another twist for you in

2006
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 2: the radio duo story out of Australia. You know the

2007
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 2: young I'm talking about this is Kyle Sanderlan's Jackie o'henderson

2008
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 2: who had the big old fight and then as a result,

2009
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: suddenly the show was off and the cancel the contract.

2010
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 2: The two hundred million dollars ten year contract was going

2011
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: to be canceling and blah blah blah. Someone has spoken

2012
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 2: to The Daily Mail on their behalf if it's not

2013
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 2: one of the pair of them, and said that they

2014
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: are reportedly back in regular contact and they would like

2015
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 2: to fight to go back on the radio after that

2016
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 2: big bust up. What's happened, which is fascinating is that

2017
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: she apparently got so she put out She put out

2018
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: her statement, She said, I didn't resign. I don't want

2019
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: to give up the show. Then he put out a

2020
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: statement and was like, yeah, I don't want to resign.

2021
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to give up the show. Then she

2022
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 2: got in contact with him, she was like, Hey, should

2023
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,879
Speaker 2: we go back on the show. And then they realized

2024
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: between the two of them that their employer, Arn had

2025
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 2: told each of them that the other party didn't want

2026
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 2: to hear from each other. So they said to Jackie, yeah,

2027
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 2: Kyle doesn't want to hear from you. And they said

2028
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: to Kyle, yeah, Jackie doesn't want to hear from you.

2029
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Speaker 2: MM more and more curious isn't it seven away from seven?

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Topers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Heather.

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Speaker 2: The Iranian regime with that video is obviously appealing to

2034
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 2: a certain group who appealed to the fluffy Disney lego

2035
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 2: building pokemon collecting numpties that will eventually hold the majority

2036
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: of the vote when they're old enough to vote. Maybe so,

2037
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 2: maybe so, Andre listen, I don't know that I'm worried

2038
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Speaker 2: about this. I mean, on first, at first, blush, you

2039
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 2: probably should be. There's an outfit called the Center for

2040
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Speaker 2: Research Evaluation and Social Assessment CRASER, which reckons about ninety

2041
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 2: percent of homes in New Zealand are in need of

2042
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Speaker 2: immediate maintenance and it would cost us twenty seven billion dollars.

2043
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Speaker 2: Says freaking you out, eh, because they're counting any home

2044
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Speaker 2: that doesn't operate well, loses heat or gets too warm.

2045
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Speaker 2: Why I don't care about that is because that's my house.

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Speaker 2: Because the other day I was looking at the byfolds

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Speaker 2: and there's something I don't know what's gone on. I've

2048
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Speaker 2: had a guy around a couple of times to have

2049
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Speaker 2: a look at it. I've had a crack at it.

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01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 2: We can't quite figure it out, but it's about byfolds

2051
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 2: are hanging a bit funny, and so they're just slumping

2052
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: a little bit to the left, and so there's a

2053
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 2: like a crack and I reckon, it's one millimeter at

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01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: the top, like I see the daylight through it. And

2055
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this heat loss happening. Yeah, and

2056
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: then I just carried on with my life. But I'm

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01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 2: in there, and I reckon, I'd use up at least

2058
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Speaker 2: one million of the twenty seven billion just trying to

2059
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Speaker 2: repair those doors. What by the time I'm done with it.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm not worried, but maybe you should be.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just giving it to your aunt's.

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Speaker 15: Ex girlfriend by No Doubt to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 15: Gwen Stefani from No Doubt. She's spoken about why she

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01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 15: turned to Christianity. She converted to Christianity when she was

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01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 15: about forty four, and apparently basically it was because she

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Speaker 15: had a baby. She was forty four years old. She

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01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 15: really wanted a third kid and was pretty convinced that

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Speaker 15: she wasn't gonna be able to get one because she

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01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 15: was forty four but I noticed her son was praying

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01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 15: for her to have one, so she's like, oh, I'll

2071
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Speaker 15: give it a try as well. And then it happened.

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Speaker 15: So she basically she said it was her first miracle.

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Speaker 2: You know that happens a lot. It happens a lot

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 2: to women. They have a baby and like they fall

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Speaker 2: pregnant and then they go back to God.

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Speaker 10: Well there you go.

2077
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah in this case as well. Yeah, because you realize,

2078
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 2: you realize, how should we get deeper meaning for it?

2079
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 2: Probably not a oh you've teased this sound Well you've realized.

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Speaker 2: You just realize that life is a miracle when you

2081
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 2: fall pregnant and that you're just so bloody lucky and

2082
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: then you go through and then yeah.

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01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 15: Not a happy note in the show.

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Speaker 8: On Hi, that's very nice.

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Speaker 2: You are lucky though, aren't you. Anyway, So what I

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01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,560
Speaker 2: recommend is full pregnant and see what happens to you.

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Speaker 2: Probably go back to church.

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Speaker 14: I'll do a bit tomorrow. We should have thought of

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01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 14: that before we kiss.

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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