1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,907 Speaker 1: from Newstalk. 3 00:00:11,507 --> 00:00:15,267 Speaker 2: ZB James mcconie in his regular Sunday slot. How are you. 4 00:00:15,307 --> 00:00:18,147 Speaker 3: Mate, I'm good, Thanks Piney. How's things with you? 5 00:00:18,747 --> 00:00:20,387 Speaker 2: Very good? Very good. I want to start with the 6 00:00:20,427 --> 00:00:23,867 Speaker 2: Farah Palmer Cup final. I thought White Cutter were firm favorites. 7 00:00:23,907 --> 00:00:26,707 Speaker 2: In fact, I know they were canterby Random pretty close 8 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:27,707 Speaker 2: yesterday in Hamilton. 9 00:00:28,867 --> 00:00:31,187 Speaker 3: Yeah they did. It was very close two points in it. 10 00:00:31,587 --> 00:00:34,507 Speaker 3: White Cuts were winning twenty seven twenty five. But the 11 00:00:34,547 --> 00:00:37,267 Speaker 3: thing about this rivalry is it's one for the ages. 12 00:00:37,427 --> 00:00:42,027 Speaker 3: Every game is a classic and no different yesterday in Hamilton. 13 00:00:42,187 --> 00:00:45,867 Speaker 3: So White Cuts all year they were you know, they're 14 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:48,707 Speaker 3: a stacked team this year. But what happens is you 15 00:00:48,747 --> 00:00:52,027 Speaker 3: see the intensity and the physicality and immediately it passes 16 00:00:52,067 --> 00:00:55,387 Speaker 3: the eye test. You know that this game is something special, 17 00:00:55,427 --> 00:00:57,147 Speaker 3: with something. But it's a bit like when you watch 18 00:00:57,227 --> 00:00:59,267 Speaker 3: Origin and you go, okay, there's a bit more feeling 19 00:00:59,307 --> 00:01:01,907 Speaker 3: in this and what they've got though with that rivalry 20 00:01:01,987 --> 00:01:04,707 Speaker 3: is something to really I mean for rugby as well 21 00:01:04,707 --> 00:01:08,467 Speaker 3: as to sell. You think that that that's something you 22 00:01:08,507 --> 00:01:11,867 Speaker 3: could probably turn into a series. Why not turn it 23 00:01:11,907 --> 00:01:15,307 Speaker 3: into a Fara Palmer state of origin type of thing. 24 00:01:15,707 --> 00:01:17,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? Because I think earlier in the season 25 00:01:17,827 --> 00:01:19,347 Speaker 2: it was a pretty tight game. I think Canby might 26 00:01:19,387 --> 00:01:21,147 Speaker 2: have even beaten White It was at ten to seven 27 00:01:21,507 --> 00:01:23,987 Speaker 2: earlier in the season. So they're clearly pretty evenly matched. 28 00:01:24,107 --> 00:01:26,747 Speaker 2: And so in hindsight, I think, why kind were paying 29 00:01:26,747 --> 00:01:29,267 Speaker 2: a dollar team to win that game yesterday? Six dollars 30 00:01:29,547 --> 00:01:30,227 Speaker 2: for Canterbury. 31 00:01:31,187 --> 00:01:34,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Canterbury have nullified them so many times. It's 32 00:01:34,507 --> 00:01:38,387 Speaker 3: always a heartbreak, it's always a one score game and 33 00:01:38,467 --> 00:01:41,307 Speaker 3: at the end there's always people players on their knees. 34 00:01:41,347 --> 00:01:44,427 Speaker 3: It just means so much. So, I mean, you're just 35 00:01:44,507 --> 00:01:48,587 Speaker 3: going to congratulate the team and the competition for having 36 00:01:48,747 --> 00:01:51,587 Speaker 3: an occasion like that as a final just I mean, 37 00:01:51,827 --> 00:01:54,747 Speaker 3: can you remember when Victoria Edwards was White Attil captain 38 00:01:54,787 --> 00:01:56,947 Speaker 3: the last time they won and she dropped an F 39 00:01:56,947 --> 00:02:00,147 Speaker 3: bomb on TV, probably the greatest F bomb in New 40 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:02,347 Speaker 3: Zealand TV history. I'd say, all. 41 00:02:02,347 --> 00:02:06,147 Speaker 2: Right, well there's something to aspire to for future generation. 42 00:02:06,787 --> 00:02:09,907 Speaker 2: Perhaps now the All Blacks will name their team or 43 00:02:09,907 --> 00:02:12,387 Speaker 2: the squad tomorrow for the Northern Tour. Chatted o aut 44 00:02:12,387 --> 00:02:16,827 Speaker 2: this last hour, what's your view, James On Weather, t J. 45 00:02:16,947 --> 00:02:20,627 Speaker 2: Pettinada and Sam Kaine will be among the All Black squad. 46 00:02:21,227 --> 00:02:24,387 Speaker 3: I well, it all changes when you see Cam Ruger 47 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:28,827 Speaker 3: playing yesterday. Doesn't it that so impressive? Wow? Yeah, just 48 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:31,147 Speaker 3: if you can go and look at the highlights on 49 00:02:31,187 --> 00:02:34,227 Speaker 3: the sky Sport now and or YouTube and you just go, Okay, 50 00:02:34,467 --> 00:02:39,507 Speaker 3: this this guy Ruygard just looks so impressive and he 51 00:02:40,507 --> 00:02:43,387 Speaker 3: is shot out of a cannon. He's so quick now, 52 00:02:43,547 --> 00:02:47,107 Speaker 3: he's got the legs of a velociraptor. It's just it's 53 00:02:47,227 --> 00:02:51,547 Speaker 3: unfair really, But if they're true to giving him more time, 54 00:02:51,667 --> 00:02:55,027 Speaker 3: then you take him on the on the All Blacks 55 00:02:55,067 --> 00:02:58,747 Speaker 3: fifteen tour and let TJ stay in that role that 56 00:02:58,827 --> 00:03:02,307 Speaker 3: he's had, which is mainly off the bench. Well it's 57 00:03:02,347 --> 00:03:09,107 Speaker 3: become that really with Cortis emerging and having their insurance. 58 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:11,867 Speaker 3: So I would still take TJ Petanada. I just know 59 00:03:11,947 --> 00:03:14,867 Speaker 3: that dam Roy Garden needs those extra few games on 60 00:03:14,907 --> 00:03:17,707 Speaker 3: the Northern Tour and then Bang's in and he might 61 00:03:17,787 --> 00:03:19,587 Speaker 3: even leave frog them all right. 62 00:03:20,027 --> 00:03:22,547 Speaker 2: Well, I think he just seems like the one, doesn't 63 00:03:22,547 --> 00:03:25,307 Speaker 2: he And I heard him say during the week that 64 00:03:25,347 --> 00:03:28,587 Speaker 2: he feels exactly the same as he did before he 65 00:03:28,907 --> 00:03:31,227 Speaker 2: you know, the injury happened, didn't seem to be any 66 00:03:31,227 --> 00:03:34,147 Speaker 2: trepidation and stepping off the injured knee a couple of 67 00:03:34,187 --> 00:03:36,947 Speaker 2: times when he scored that second try did there? So yeah, 68 00:03:37,027 --> 00:03:39,907 Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing what he can produce. Whichever jersey 69 00:03:39,947 --> 00:03:41,947 Speaker 2: he's wearing at the back end of the year, he'll 70 00:03:42,067 --> 00:03:43,387 Speaker 2: no doubt be a big part of the All Blacks 71 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:44,987 Speaker 2: next year. By the sounds of it, though, France are 72 00:03:45,027 --> 00:03:47,547 Speaker 2: sending a week inside down here. What do you make 73 00:03:47,587 --> 00:03:47,747 Speaker 2: of this? 74 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:51,427 Speaker 3: Look France? Clearly they don't care. They shrugged their shoulders 75 00:03:51,467 --> 00:03:55,107 Speaker 3: a lot. That's what they do. They go like that. 76 00:03:55,867 --> 00:03:59,187 Speaker 3: It's not really a word. But and remember in the 77 00:03:59,227 --> 00:04:03,587 Speaker 3: past they've sent experimental teams. I think it totaled over 78 00:04:03,667 --> 00:04:07,027 Speaker 3: forty players. When they sent one experimental team, it came 79 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:09,907 Speaker 3: close to breaking the Eden Park Hudu. Then they brought 80 00:04:09,907 --> 00:04:12,907 Speaker 3: the reinforcements for game two and they were absolutely terrible. 81 00:04:13,267 --> 00:04:15,627 Speaker 3: Clearly enjoying business class a bit too much on the 82 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:19,947 Speaker 3: way down. But that's that about Antoine DuPont only playing 83 00:04:20,107 --> 00:04:21,907 Speaker 3: at four test away from home? Is that right? 84 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:22,387 Speaker 2: Crazy? 85 00:04:22,507 --> 00:04:22,747 Speaker 3: Yeah? 86 00:04:22,787 --> 00:04:25,467 Speaker 2: Crazy, just unbelievable. 87 00:04:25,707 --> 00:04:28,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that times up. We've never seen them at 88 00:04:28,667 --> 00:04:32,107 Speaker 3: full strength. Here They're just messing around and they don't care. 89 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:34,867 Speaker 3: They care about their club competition. I think we should 90 00:04:34,907 --> 00:04:38,667 Speaker 3: invite another European team as well, invite Scotland. I've looked 91 00:04:38,667 --> 00:04:40,667 Speaker 3: this up on the All Black's website. The last time 92 00:04:40,707 --> 00:04:44,027 Speaker 3: they toured here is the year two thousand, pinty. What's 93 00:04:44,027 --> 00:04:45,427 Speaker 3: crazy even how good they. 94 00:04:45,267 --> 00:04:50,307 Speaker 2: Are, absolutely, and the fans they'd bring a Scottish you know, 95 00:04:50,347 --> 00:04:54,107 Speaker 2: the Scottish fans spending time down here, that'll be brilliant. 96 00:04:54,667 --> 00:04:56,827 Speaker 3: I know, I just couldn't believe. I'm on the All 97 00:04:56,827 --> 00:04:59,667 Speaker 3: Black stats website and I've had to sort of double 98 00:04:59,707 --> 00:05:02,707 Speaker 3: take it, but that is incredible. Really half the players 99 00:05:02,747 --> 00:05:06,107 Speaker 3: were even born then. So this is something that needs 100 00:05:06,107 --> 00:05:08,587 Speaker 3: to be to fight immediately. But I think it's actually 101 00:05:08,627 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 3: not a bad way if World Rugby allows it. So 102 00:05:11,147 --> 00:05:15,027 Speaker 3: it will send two teams to Northern Hemisphere teams down 103 00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 3: because you know, we can do the same and play 104 00:05:18,227 --> 00:05:22,107 Speaker 3: our experimental players against France and then and give Scotland 105 00:05:22,187 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 3: top billing you know, when they come down. So that's 106 00:05:26,267 --> 00:05:29,027 Speaker 3: something that needs to be sorted out straight away, and 107 00:05:29,147 --> 00:05:30,707 Speaker 3: just while we're on the All Blacks before we move 108 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:32,987 Speaker 3: on I was going to say in the hooker position, 109 00:05:33,187 --> 00:05:36,227 Speaker 3: it's so tough working out who plays, and even though 110 00:05:36,307 --> 00:05:41,947 Speaker 3: Ricky Ricky Talley probably deserves a nudge at All Blacks level, 111 00:05:42,347 --> 00:05:44,067 Speaker 3: I just don't want him to become a player who 112 00:05:44,107 --> 00:05:46,227 Speaker 3: goes in and then goes out and doesn't get a 113 00:05:46,307 --> 00:05:50,147 Speaker 3: chance to play international rugby. He qualifies for three nations, Piney, 114 00:05:50,187 --> 00:05:56,267 Speaker 3: New Zealand, Besily obviously and then USA as well, So 115 00:05:56,867 --> 00:05:59,187 Speaker 3: I feel like he should maybe just choose Italy and 116 00:05:59,227 --> 00:06:00,547 Speaker 3: just play fifty tests. 117 00:06:00,787 --> 00:06:04,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd look, yeah, and why wouldn't he. I think 118 00:06:04,027 --> 00:06:05,467 Speaker 2: a lot of people thought he might get the NOD 119 00:06:05,507 --> 00:06:08,147 Speaker 2: this year as the as the third hooker, but that 120 00:06:08,267 --> 00:06:10,227 Speaker 2: clearly hasn't happened. So yeah, we wait to see what 121 00:06:10,307 --> 00:06:12,947 Speaker 2: lies in his future. Hey, just before you go in 122 00:06:12,987 --> 00:06:15,227 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, it's only two weeks away, in fact, 123 00:06:15,307 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 2: less than two weeks until Auckland FC's debut, and the 124 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:21,867 Speaker 2: A League reports this week that they might be looking 125 00:06:21,907 --> 00:06:25,347 Speaker 2: at building a purpose built stadium at what at Western Springs? 126 00:06:26,387 --> 00:06:28,467 Speaker 3: Yeah that would be massive. I mean there's been so 127 00:06:28,627 --> 00:06:31,547 Speaker 3: much back and forth about Western Springs, currently the home 128 00:06:31,587 --> 00:06:36,587 Speaker 3: of Podsobe rugby and also Speedway, but that apparently expires 129 00:06:36,667 --> 00:06:41,307 Speaker 3: next year, so both those leases and now I mean 130 00:06:41,307 --> 00:06:43,787 Speaker 3: it's been talked about as a test cricket ground as well, 131 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:48,427 Speaker 3: But clearly they thought that the waterfront stadium was a 132 00:06:48,427 --> 00:06:51,507 Speaker 3: good option until they saw how dysfunctional that process was. 133 00:06:51,827 --> 00:06:53,987 Speaker 3: So I think that scared off the buillion. Their owner, 134 00:06:53,987 --> 00:06:57,587 Speaker 3: Bill Foley and his thought, along with the other owners, 135 00:06:57,747 --> 00:07:00,067 Speaker 3: how can we actually just control this and do our 136 00:07:00,107 --> 00:07:03,067 Speaker 3: own thing, And this looks to be the easiest, cost 137 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:05,627 Speaker 3: effective way to get an eight thousand and see that 138 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:10,387 Speaker 3: all for this pony. This actually might work because if 139 00:07:10,427 --> 00:07:12,187 Speaker 3: you can make it probably needs to be a bit 140 00:07:12,227 --> 00:07:14,587 Speaker 3: more than eight thousand, but if you can, if you 141 00:07:14,627 --> 00:07:18,347 Speaker 3: can find a home there, then it just solves that 142 00:07:18,587 --> 00:07:21,827 Speaker 3: all those problems that you have with those empty seats 143 00:07:22,107 --> 00:07:25,107 Speaker 3: and just having your own boutique stadium and the heart. 144 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:28,147 Speaker 2: Of absolutely like I feel like ten to twelve might 145 00:07:28,187 --> 00:07:30,707 Speaker 2: be more what you'd be after, but you're so right, 146 00:07:30,747 --> 00:07:35,387 Speaker 2: a rectangular, purpose built boutique stadium. Yeah, I mean, it's 147 00:07:35,427 --> 00:07:38,627 Speaker 2: what I mean. You remember the Phoenix owners, you know, 148 00:07:39,147 --> 00:07:40,867 Speaker 2: sort of toyed with the idea of doing it at 149 00:07:40,907 --> 00:07:43,587 Speaker 2: Batoni and even had some plans drawn up but that 150 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:46,507 Speaker 2: didn't come to anything, so hopefully the owners of Auckland 151 00:07:46,627 --> 00:07:48,987 Speaker 2: FC can make it happen. Hey thanks James, always good 152 00:07:49,027 --> 00:07:51,147 Speaker 2: to chat. I hope you have an enjoyable rest of 153 00:07:51,147 --> 00:07:53,787 Speaker 2: your Sunday and we'll chat again next week, shall we. 154 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:56,867 Speaker 3: Cheers Pony go to Panthers. 155 00:07:56,787 --> 00:07:59,027 Speaker 2: The Panthers Why not? Why not? 156 00:07:59,947 --> 00:08:03,147 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Faine, listen live 157 00:08:03,227 --> 00:08:07,227 Speaker 1: to News Talk Z'B weekends from midday. 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