1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: With me right now. We've got Mark Mitchell and Ginny 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Anderson for politics Wednesday. 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: Hell, are you too good money? 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Mitch? I'm supposed you're not on holiday. Everybody's on holiday, 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Luxeon's on holiday, Mike's holiday. 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm the emergency management minister and we've got heaps of 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: weather hitping around the country at the moment. 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: What happens to you? Actually do you think? Do you 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: say I'm going to go on holiday and then sort 10 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: of some bad weather hits and then your holidays off 11 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: and and your fiance still heads off to Barley by herself. 12 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's happened last time. So but you know, like 13 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: I take the role seriously and when we have these 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: big weather events coming through, the potential there to have 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: a massive need of impact on people is there the 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: whole time, And so I like to be available. I'll 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: actually like to get on the ground and see what 18 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: we need to do and what decisions need to be. 19 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: What you intel on where Lucky I've heard Luckson's gone 20 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: on Hollybop's to Hawaii with John John Key. Is that 21 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: what's happened. 22 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: I don't know who he's gone on holiday with, but yes, 23 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: he's having a break with Amanda and you know which 24 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: is very well to see the more of you. 25 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: You got any goss on that, Jenny, No, I would 26 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: not be in the loop for knowing who like so holidays? 27 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Do you know who should have gone on holiday? Jenny 28 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,639 Speaker 1: is Chris Hopkins. What's up with him? 29 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: He's doing fine, He's been great, He's been fire lately, 30 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: he's been awesome. Incredibly had we he incredibly had talking 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: about the cost of living, which a government keeps trying 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: to hide with announcements on. 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: What did you make of him saying that the COVID 34 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: inquiry is platforming the conspiracy theorists. 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: Well, I did agree with the point that I have two. 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Have you ever in New Zealand a stink job with 37 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: the first one? That's why we had to have it 38 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 2: was pretty good. First one looked at what we need 39 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: to loom from pretty good A pandemic A pandemic in 40 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: the first place, So I think that's important. We're planning 41 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: for a future pandemic, not just doing a political hit job. 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: Well, that's that's really important. But your first round was 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: a complete political whitewash. So that's why the second reality, 44 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: which gives. 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: You is another political whitewash? Is that why one good 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: white wash? 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: Well if you call, if you call giving everyone a 48 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: voice and being able to come along and have this, say, 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: a whitewash, If that's how you view it, then it's fine. 50 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: But we know they were your words. Fine, they were 51 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: your words. 52 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: Well you just said, is this what a political white wash? 53 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: What are the chances would Jenny, what are the chances 54 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Cinda comes back for it? Do you reckon? 55 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I mean I think that I've 56 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: heard lots of speculation about that, but I don't know 57 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: if she's even been formally invited to do that. 58 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: If she was formal because she's she's your patron saint. Now, 59 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean you basically you got to put some rosary 60 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: beads and you know, st you Cinda for the for 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: the Labor Party. Would you think less of your patron saints? 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: If she was invited and she didn't come back. 63 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: Not really, I mean she had so her decision. She's 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: no longer accountable, she's no longer as a politician, she's 65 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: no direct requirement to do that, So that will be 66 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: a decision completely up to her. 67 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: Go on, Well, last time I checked, she was a 68 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: key and she had quite a bit to do, Jenny, 69 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: with the decisions that were made that impacted all of 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: us as a country. Because she's milky. 71 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd like me to ask you personally, Mark, is it? Yes? 72 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: I would. 73 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't mind if you do. 74 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: Go on, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that'd be great. Come back 75 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: to us as though what she says. 76 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't. I don't talk to a regularly. 77 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: But that's really a decision. 78 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: Does a regular conversation. It can be one. 79 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: You should give her back, you should give her. 80 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: Oh look, just give me her number. I'll give her 81 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the ring, Jenny. If you don't want to do it, 82 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah, she was stoke. Yeah the minute I 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: says Heather head lord, I might be able to slide 84 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: through for a bit if I pretend to be Heather Simpson. 85 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, listen, what do you think Mitch is a 86 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: family on two hundred and thirty thousand dollars poor? 87 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, really good question. 88 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: The moment. 89 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: Obviously, we're in a you know, things are tough. We 90 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: are in a recovery phase with the economy. Although we're 91 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: starting to see some green it's moving in the right direction. 92 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: But quite simply obviously the decision was made for the 93 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: around the ECC, around the family Boost policy to give 94 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: to increase the access for it. 95 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't think a family on two hundred and thirty 96 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars is poor, in which case, why are we 97 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: giving welfare to them? Because sure, I mean it might 98 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: be cost of living is difficult right now, But once 99 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: you introduce this welfare metch, it hangs around forever. Are 100 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: you sure we should be giving welfare to people who 101 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: are actually pretty comfortable? 102 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: The real reason when we say welfare, it's around looking, 103 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: it's around childcare and making sure. 104 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: There's still welfare though, isn't it. 105 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: But the real reason here that is that not they 106 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: can't find national can't find one single family that benefited 107 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: from the initial family Boost and that was a big 108 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: part of their election promises. So no one has been 109 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: able to benefit from this policy because it's too hard 110 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: to eis no. I think this is rubbish. This is 111 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: doing everything they possibly can to make sure at least 112 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: some people get it, and it's gone. Probably. 113 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: What do you think Jimmy is two thirty too wealthy 114 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: to get welfare? 115 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: Well? What they The way they've set it up is 116 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: difficult to access because you have to come and claim. 117 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: So we've seen right from the start the bureaucracy involved 118 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: for actually getting the money back is preventing people from 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: accessing it. And so instead of going back to the 120 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: drawing board and saying, how do we do this in 121 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: a way that families who really need it get it, 122 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: they're just widened the existing credit, so they've gone about 123 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: the wrong way. 124 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: Is two thirty Is two thirty too wealthy to get welfare? Jinny? 125 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 2: Well that's come on, mate, true salaries. It is pretty 126 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: high to getting excess. 127 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: It's too high, okay, So are you going to get 128 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: it pretty high? 129 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: Really high? Well, it doesn't work, so you don't need 130 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: to get rid of it as well. 131 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: The excess Why I hate welfare because welfare, once you've 132 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: got it, everybody keeps it going. All right, Mark, when 133 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: you're in the cops, did you ever have people do 134 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: the breathalyzer but then try to blow past it or 135 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: suck in? 136 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? You had always had lots of lots of different 137 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: ways that they tried to avoid the test. Absolutely, yeah. 138 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: And was it obvious to you when they were doing. 139 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 3: It, Yes, it was. Yeah. 140 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So when you read that about Kerry Allen. Did 141 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: you think that wouldn't have flown with me? 142 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? 143 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: I think. Look, I spoke with Kerry at the time. 144 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: I had already known that the police had been given 145 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: quite a hard time and had to talk with her 146 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: about that. And I'm not going to pick over the bones, 147 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: but I know that when I was up at WAITINGI 148 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: last year, myself and Simon Wat's r on their way 149 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: to a meeting up north and we found a lady 150 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: who were tragically that had a messive heart attack on 151 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: the side of the road and we worked on her 152 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: for about We did CPR on her for about half 153 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: an hour before assistants arrived and carry Ellen stopped and 154 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: gave us a hand. So, you know, she's made some mistakes. 155 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: The way she behaved as Justice Minister was completely totally 156 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: unacceptable on that, but I believe in redemption and everyone 157 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: makes mistakes, and you know she's sort of getting on 158 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: with it. 159 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: There is a debate at the moment, Ginny about whether 160 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: this is relevant or not, given that it's such a 161 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: long time ago now and she's not a minister anymore. 162 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: What do you think. 163 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: I think it's a hard call. This that's always the 164 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: issue whether these public interests involved and what's the point 165 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: in rehashing those things. I mean, it must be incredibly 166 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: hard for Kittee it's been. Yes, I agree with Mark, 167 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: she made the mistakes and she paid the price for those, 168 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: including going through the court process. But it must be 169 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: really difficult for her to have all of these details 170 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: playing out again and people going through them. And I 171 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: was the Minister of Police at the time that took 172 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: the call from police when when she'd been found, so 173 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: it was it was an incredibly tough time. 174 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: Now, Jinny, listen, what do you make of the minimum 175 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: sentences thing? Would you be okay with us telling judges 176 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: what the minimum sentences on certain crimes should be? 177 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, he said, it's he's kind of danced around his 178 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: knees kind of what we might do it these things 179 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: don't work. But it seems like they're kind of throwing 180 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: everything at the wall. It doesn't seem to be much 181 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: of a connection between you know, yep, coward punch and 182 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: you've got first if the first responders, and then there 183 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: was another one, and there's this one. It's sort of 184 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: to me it smacked a bit of the cost of 185 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: living crisis is really biting it's really hurting us in 186 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: the pole, and we're going to just chuck a whole 187 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: bunch of law and order stuff out there as a 188 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: bit of a distraction. So I'm not convinced that there's 189 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: a connection between all of these announcements or whether there's 190 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: a genuine intent on actually making. 191 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: That's like that would be Labour's approach. And that's why 192 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: I don't take Labor or the Green seriously when it. 193 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: Comes to really it's a surprise. 194 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: No, no, I never have because you're not serious people 195 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: when it comes to public safety, and you haven't supported 196 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: any of the measures that we're brought through Parliament this 197 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: term that actually are proving to be effective. Cowards punches 198 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: are terrible. People die because of cowards punch the first 199 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: I know we are, but you were just that those 200 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 3: were raised. I'll get to minimum sentences first responders. We 201 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: should have zero tolerance on this country for the people 202 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: that protect us respond when we need the most being 203 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: assaulted or abused, and there should be legislation. I tried 204 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: to take this bill through. I picked it up from 205 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Derek Bill and tried to take it through an opposition. 206 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: Labor wouldn't support it. Now we've got the bill up. 207 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: What about the minimum sentence. 208 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: Though, minimum sentences I'm me personally I like the idea 209 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: of minimum sentences, but the way that we've done things 210 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: in this country, as we've gone for maximum and we've 211 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: lawed the judiciary to have discretion around that, we've sent 212 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: very clear signals as a government to the judiciary that 213 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: we expect the seriousness the offending to be reflected in 214 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: the consequences and the sentencing. We'll wait and see what happens, 215 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: but I'm very open to go in minimum sentences absolutely. 216 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Okay, fantastic. Now, Ginny, what about the citizen's arrest right, 217 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: because the Children's Commissioner wants kids to be excluded, what 218 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: do you think. 219 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, when we got the Official Information Act information even 220 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: police said this is really dangerous and these are risks 221 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: not just to the shop owners and to whoever's being 222 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: held on to which is likely to be kids, but 223 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: it's also just a general public safety risk and police 224 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: we're advising, you know, Mark Mitchell as Minister of Police 225 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: not to do this because it's going to actually make 226 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: life harder for police and create more dangerous situations. So 227 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: I think she's got some fear points that we just 228 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: don't know how this is going to play out, and 229 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: there's a real fear that the first time it's used 230 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: could be quite serious if. 231 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: You do not do this though for the kids match, 232 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: do you not simply end up with a situation where 233 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: actually they are incentivised to set the criminal criminal gangs 234 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: and sin devised to send the kids in because the 235 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: kids get away. 236 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, we'd hear it. An awful situation where we're 237 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 3: retail theft and crime, especially violent crime, is through the roof. 238 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: And we're taking positive actions to address with that. And 239 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: one of them is a citizen's power of arrest, which 240 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: was already in existence, it has already been used. We've 241 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: extended the hours. People can choose whether I want to, 242 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: whether or not they want to use it or not. 243 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: Some retailers will embrace it, they'll use it with they'll 244 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: invest in their security and their physical security. But we've 245 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: got to take measures to get on top of this 246 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: retail crime. And you've Jenny's completely overread the position that 247 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: the police presented on us, and the fact and the 248 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, as a government, we are 249 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: going to give every tool and we're going to use 250 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: every tool that's available to start to clemp down on 251 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: retail crime. It is not except all right. 252 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Listen, guys, thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of 253 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: your school holidays. Few more days left. 254 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Here. 255 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: That says a mother right there. Ginny Anderson and Mark 256 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: Mitchell follow six Wednesday for more from The Mic Asking Breakfast. 257 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 3: Listen live to News Talks at B from six am weekdays, 258 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.